{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":0.02,"endTime":2.88,"body":"Welcome to the Deficient Vegans Podcast. This is episode 51."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3.1,"endTime":6.06,"body":"I'm the muscle-deficient vegan, here with the protein-deficient vegan. You want to say hi?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":6.32,"endTime":6.64,"body":"Hello."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":7.32,"endTime":11.54,"body":"Hi, everybody. This week, we're going to jump into the discussion about vegan"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":11.54,"endTime":13.54,"body":"diets just being a bunch of processed junk food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":13.74,"endTime":16.08,"body":"And we're also going to talk about our myth of the week, which is that eating"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":16.08,"endTime":17.36,"body":"carbs at night will make you fat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":17.92,"endTime":20.46,"body":"Hmm. Hmm. But first up, new news."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":20.66,"endTime":21.7,"body":"New news!"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":22.24,"endTime":26.44,"body":"An analysis of European data shows that plant proteins have not increased in"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":26.44,"endTime":28.04,"body":"price as much as animal-based proteins."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":28.84,"endTime":32.14,"body":"This has resulted in plant-based meat alternatives being cheaper per kilogram"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":32.14,"endTime":35.36,"body":"than conventional processed meat in Germany and the UK, at least."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":35.72,"endTime":38.1,"body":"Oh my gosh. I need this news to hit America."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":38.36,"endTime":42.08,"body":"Yeah, that'd be nice. Apparently, this is a reversal from pre-pandemic levels"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":42.08,"endTime":43.12,"body":"when they were more expensive."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":43.66,"endTime":45.86,"body":"Is this the only good thing to come out of the pandemic?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":48.84,"endTime":55.6,"body":"Yes. Yes, I think so. I guess this doesn't necessarily only count the plant-based"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":55.6,"endTime":57.48,"body":"meat replacements you might think of. Yeah, like beyond."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":57.92,"endTime":63.16,"body":"But it's counting anything you might eat that is plant protein instead of eating plant-based meat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":63.22,"endTime":64.9,"body":"Yeah, like tofu or something."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":65.18,"endTime":66.58,"body":"Instead of eating animal-based meats."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":66.88,"endTime":69.92,"body":"Yeah. So like tofu, TBP, tempeh."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":70.04,"endTime":70.24,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":70.46,"endTime":70.94,"body":"That kind of thing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":72.26,"endTime":77.48,"body":"Next up, Austria Juice has a new fruit juice product with 30% less sugar."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":77.74,"endTime":78.66,"body":"Tell me how."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":78.92,"endTime":83.64,"body":"Yeah, so this is made with yeast fermentation, and it allows for 100% fruit"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":83.64,"endTime":88.52,"body":"juice that still has 30% less sugar, so it can comply with some of the new EU"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":88.52,"endTime":90.6,"body":"breakfast regulations coming out about sugar."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":90.96,"endTime":93.64,"body":"This is so cool. I love anything to do with yeast."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":93.84,"endTime":94.08,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":95.18,"endTime":100.28,"body":"I think we can also assume they probably make food-grade ethanol as a byproduct. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":100.54,"endTime":103.42,"body":"So the yeast eat the sugar and then..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":103.42,"endTime":109.0,"body":"And then they poop out ethanol and also carbon dioxide. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":109.54,"endTime":113.06,"body":"So you can use the alcohol afterwards. You can use the yeast afterwards after"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":113.06,"endTime":114.1,"body":"they dry them back out or something?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":114.78,"endTime":120.18,"body":"Well, typically you wouldn't reuse the yeast because there's usually like a"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":120.18,"endTime":124.14,"body":"distillation process. So they would get spent because of the heat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":124.74,"endTime":129.6,"body":"Yeast are very particular. You have to keep them in a very specific pH and temperature levels."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":129.7,"endTime":134.8,"body":"and whatnot, but usually anything with dried yeast, especially in ethanol production,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":134.82,"endTime":136.74,"body":"will get used for animal feed. Okay."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":137.04,"endTime":140.7,"body":"Yeah. Cool. Don't know if they're doing any of that, but surely they're doing"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":140.7,"endTime":141.36,"body":"something with it, right?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":141.38,"endTime":144.52,"body":"We looked it up and we couldn't find it, but I can't imagine they're just tossing"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":144.52,"endTime":150.08,"body":"all of that out because you could make some pretty decent money on food-grade ethanol. Yeah. So..."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":151.33,"endTime":155.01,"body":"And then last up, the food company Cargill, which is a huge company,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":155.17,"endTime":159.37,"body":"has partnered with Voyage Foods to create a cocoa-free chocolate product."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":160.63,"endTime":165.13,"body":"This one will be coming first to the U.S. for once. Usually we get things last."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":166.05,"endTime":169.83,"body":"But the product is called NextCo, and I guess they're trying to address both"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":169.83,"endTime":174.35,"body":"the ethical concerns around cocoa as well as the kind of cocoa shortage that's going on right now."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":174.45,"endTime":177.99,"body":"Yeah, and just that it's like very highly priced right now, which is driving"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":177.99,"endTime":180.13,"body":"up prices of a lot of chocolates."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":180.13,"endTime":185.17,"body":"Yeah. I saw they have a quote unquote milk style chocolate as well as a dark"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":185.17,"endTime":186.49,"body":"chocolate product they're going to be putting out."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":186.73,"endTime":190.41,"body":"And I think I saw that it was mostly going to be for like baking chocolate and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":190.41,"endTime":191.75,"body":"confectioners chocolate and stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":191.85,"endTime":195.27,"body":"I don't know if there was a chocolate bar, but it said chocolate wafers."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":195.53,"endTime":199.97,"body":"Yeah. I imagine they'll probably also sell it to chocolate, like confectioners"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":199.97,"endTime":204.87,"body":"that actually use chocolate to make chocolate bars and stuff that are sold as candy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":204.87,"endTime":207.21,"body":"No, that's a good point. Yeah. It'll probably end up in some stuff. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":207.67,"endTime":209.77,"body":"Very cool that it seemed like they were mostly plant-based options."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":211.25,"endTime":214.59,"body":"Well, that's exciting. We are usually last on board, especially for chocolate"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":214.59,"endTime":217.39,"body":"products. I think there's a lot of vegan chocolate products out there that have"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":217.39,"endTime":218.77,"body":"been out there for years we still don't have."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":219.17,"endTime":220.01,"body":"Yeah, that's true."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":220.15,"endTime":224.29,"body":"All right. So let's get into the main segment here. So when was the last time"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":224.29,"endTime":227.03,"body":"somebody hit you with isn't vegan food all processed?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":227.35,"endTime":230.37,"body":"The last time someone hit me with that? Probably an hour ago."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":232.25,"endTime":235.89,"body":"Very common on social media will say something about vegan food or whatever"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":235.89,"endTime":237.29,"body":"the nonsense is we're talking about."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":237.45,"endTime":240.95,"body":"Yeah. And part of something in the comments is like, oh, that's all processed junk."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":241.35,"endTime":245.37,"body":"Yeah. What specifically are you talking about? I never really know, but."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":245.55,"endTime":249.37,"body":"Of course they don't know. They don't actually look into it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":249.83,"endTime":253.77,"body":"Yeah. So the question kind of gets phrased in various ways. Some of those are"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":253.77,"endTime":255.63,"body":"like, what are all those ingredients in a Beyond Burger?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":255.77,"endTime":260.21,"body":"Yeah. Or like, oh, you know, I thought we were only supposed to eat things we could pronounce."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":260.81,"endTime":263.97,"body":"And I'm like, I don't know, sir. I don't think you can pronounce much."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":264.57,"endTime":266.99,"body":"Oh, yeah. And if you really break it down, you probably can't pronounce most"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":266.99,"endTime":268.21,"body":"of the things in an apple, right?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":268.33,"endTime":269.01,"body":"Yeah, that's true."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":269.91,"endTime":273.05,"body":"Yeah, and kind of follow on to that. Like, isn't the food all full of chemicals?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":273.45,"endTime":273.67,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":273.87,"endTime":275.33,"body":"Which, what does that mean exactly?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":275.67,"endTime":278.83,"body":"Yeah, because if you looked into most of the quote-unquote chemicals,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":279.11,"endTime":282.51,"body":"which, by the way, chemicals make up literally everything. That's just."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":283.73,"endTime":288.23,"body":"how things work but if you looked up these like quote-unquote chemicals you'd"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":288.23,"endTime":291.95,"body":"find out that most of them are they're not like specific to vegan foods and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":291.95,"endTime":298.69,"body":"they also have like either it's shelf stability or maybe like a texture thing well"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":298.69,"endTime":301.99,"body":"A couple of those things people think of as chemicals you know in that terminology"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":301.99,"endTime":304.23,"body":"is some stuff you actually have here in the kitchen that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":304.23,"endTime":309.53,"body":"You sometimes yeah and i i the one i get the most often in the last week is"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":309.53,"endTime":315.05,"body":"like tvp is ultra ultra processed oh man and i get it from like omnivores and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":315.05,"endTime":320.39,"body":"vegans alike and i think a lot of that is just a not a very good understanding"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":320.39,"endTime":322.11,"body":"of how food is made in general yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":322.11,"endTime":326.37,"body":"Well i've seen some it's kind of like the oils like they they can have a process"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":326.37,"endTime":327.97,"body":"that uses some hexane to extract."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":327.97,"endTime":329.05,"body":"Things right um"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":329.05,"endTime":331.83,"body":"There's not much left afterwards usually but also they have processes where"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":331.83,"endTime":335.31,"body":"they can like cold press or use the expellers and stuff that they don't really"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":335.31,"endTime":336.79,"body":"use the chemicals they just squish the."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":336.79,"endTime":337.69,"body":"Beans. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":338.07,"endTime":338.47,"body":"So."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":338.75,"endTime":343.49,"body":"I think the interesting thing about TBB is like, yes, it's processed,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":343.73,"endTime":346.07,"body":"but it's not any more processed than protein powders."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":347.16,"endTime":351.54,"body":"Most of the people commenting that are probably also using protein powders every so often."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":351.76,"endTime":355.52,"body":"So, yeah, just a lot of general misunderstanding of how things work."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":356.02,"endTime":359.04,"body":"Yeah. There might be a little bit of truth to some of those things,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":359.06,"endTime":361.7,"body":"just enough to keep it from, you know, fading away as an argument."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":361.7,"endTime":363.12,"body":"So we'll cover some of that stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":363.56,"endTime":367.12,"body":"But first, we wanted to talk a little bit about how the vegan diet itself has"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":367.12,"endTime":369.16,"body":"evolved over time and kind of how we got here."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":369.5,"endTime":372.66,"body":"Yeah, which I think is really interesting. um it"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":372.66,"endTime":375.96,"body":"kind of like vegans kind of hit specifically like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":375.96,"endTime":380.62,"body":"the u.s this is the context we'll give you because we are u.s based but it seems"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":380.62,"endTime":385.0,"body":"like the first time vegan became like a word that was used was around the 1970s"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":385.0,"endTime":389.22,"body":"and i think it was kind of like oh you know hippy dippy tree hugger types that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":389.22,"endTime":393.56,"body":"just like eat beans all day you know yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":393.56,"endTime":397.4,"body":"It was like mostly cooking from scratch at home whole foods you know because"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":397.4,"endTime":398.2,"body":"there weren't convenience."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":398.2,"endTime":399.94,"body":"Options right so"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":399.94,"endTime":402.84,"body":"Uh they're focused on things like lentils, brown rice, nuts."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":403.74,"endTime":406.5,"body":"Homegrown vegetables was pretty big back then. Still kind of big for people"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":406.5,"endTime":408.4,"body":"who can manage to do it. You have a green thumb and all."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":408.74,"endTime":413.28,"body":"Yeah. What's interesting is TVP actually existed back in the 70s. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":413.44,"endTime":418.1,"body":"And I have a video that's kind of going right now on my like black bean and TVP enchiladas."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":418.5,"endTime":420.2,"body":"And I'm having a lot of comments like..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":420.81,"endTime":424.43,"body":"You know, I grew up in the 70s and we weren't a vegan family,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":424.55,"endTime":428.89,"body":"but my mom used to like make the ground beef last longer by mixing in TVP. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":429.11,"endTime":433.01,"body":"And like I've also had people saying that they grew up in like the 70s,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":433.07,"endTime":437.33,"body":"80s, and then that was used, TVP was used in like their school lunches and stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":437.53,"endTime":440.73,"body":"Didn't somebody mention a restaurant that used TVP with their beef?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":440.73,"endTime":446.39,"body":"Yeah. I don't know how much truth there is to it, but there's a lot of conspiracies"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":446.39,"endTime":451.83,"body":"or maybe not conspiracies that Taco Bell used to add in TVP to their like ground beef."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":452.09,"endTime":454.91,"body":"I think there's some truth to it because it seems to be pretty widespread."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":454.91,"endTime":457.73,"body":"I don't know what the conspiracy – I mean, I guess you think you're getting"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":457.73,"endTime":461.21,"body":"beef and you're not, but it's not like they were adding in some poison or something."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":461.23,"endTime":463.47,"body":"Yeah, but, like, the other thing is, you know, back in the 70s,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":463.53,"endTime":465.59,"body":"80s, and 90s, before, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":465.75,"endTime":469.55,"body":"allergens were well understood and websites were readily available,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":469.57,"endTime":473.19,"body":"you usually didn't know what was in the food you were eating unless you specifically"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":473.19,"endTime":478.79,"body":"asked, and then they'd go back with that, like, binder of food and go look and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":478.79,"endTime":480.05,"body":"see what ingredients are in there."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":480.09,"endTime":482.25,"body":"Yeah, yeah, the nutrition binder."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":482.73,"endTime":483.05,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":483.99,"endTime":486.69,"body":"Another one they used to make a lot in the 70s were like the nut-based mock"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":486.69,"endTime":489.07,"body":"meats. We've actually got a place around here that does a walnut meat,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":489.25,"endTime":490.39,"body":"walnut mushroom type meat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":490.49,"endTime":491.35,"body":"It's really good. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":491.83,"endTime":494.63,"body":"So, yeah, that's kind of what they were working with at that time."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":494.73,"endTime":495.91,"body":"Yeah, and also tofu dishes."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":496.29,"endTime":500.33,"body":"Right. And, you know, frankly, this is still how vegans eat the majority of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":500.33,"endTime":502.67,"body":"the time is like cooking from scratch with these whole ingredients,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":502.69,"endTime":504.23,"body":"no matter what the ingredients are."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":504.53,"endTime":508.59,"body":"And what's kind of changed over time is the public perception due to having"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":508.59,"endTime":512.53,"body":"more of those increased convenience options and options at the grocery store"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":512.53,"endTime":513.61,"body":"and restaurants and stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":514.09,"endTime":517.53,"body":"Yeah, I know how the majority of the time how we cook, it's usually probably"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":517.53,"endTime":521.39,"body":"pretty similar to how they were cooking in the 70s, except maybe, you know,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":522.09,"endTime":525.15,"body":"instead of having to make my own vegan cheese all the time, I'm able to buy"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":525.15,"endTime":529.19,"body":"a bag of like shredded vegan cheese to use on certain things,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":529.19,"endTime":531.13,"body":"but we really don't even use that very often."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":531.43,"endTime":534.29,"body":"Even for that, there are a lot of your recipes that you do make your own cheese."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":534.43,"endTime":535.91,"body":"Yeah, because it's..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":536.28,"endTime":537.26,"body":"Not super hard."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":537.52,"endTime":540.4,"body":"The pizza specifically, like almost always make that cheese from scratch."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":540.68,"endTime":545.28,"body":"Yeah, mostly because I can't find one I like in the store as much as the one we can make here. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":545.72,"endTime":551.02,"body":"So how did the popularity of the vegan food increase since the 70s?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":551.1,"endTime":555.72,"body":"Yeah, so I think one of the first things I would say in like the new era of"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":555.72,"endTime":558.44,"body":"veganism was Meatless Monday."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":558.74,"endTime":559.04,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":559.22,"endTime":564.22,"body":"It's a movement where basically the ask is don't eat meat on Mondays."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":564.4,"endTime":567.3,"body":"Right. You know that everyone can participate in, whether you're an omnivore"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":567.3,"endTime":570.4,"body":"or, like, if you're vegan or vegetarian, you participate in that every day. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":570.88,"endTime":574.52,"body":"But it's really interesting. I actually have a friend that tries to do Meatless Mondays."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":574.74,"endTime":578.94,"body":"She's an omnivore, but she tries to eat more, like, vegan or vegetarian,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":579.1,"endTime":582.56,"body":"plant-based stuff. So I think she started incorporating Meatless Mondays into her routine."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":582.86,"endTime":585.34,"body":"Yeah. But that actually launched in 2003."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":585.66,"endTime":586.42,"body":"Yeah, that was a long time ago."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":586.66,"endTime":588.84,"body":"Yeah, as part of, like, a public health initiative."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":588.84,"endTime":594.46,"body":"Yeah, and I think that was actually kind of a reimagining or a resurgence of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":594.46,"endTime":600.88,"body":"something from World War I back in 1917, where they asked citizens in the U.S."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":601.12,"endTime":606.32,"body":"to conserve food for the troops overseas by doing Meatless Mondays and Wheatless Wednesdays."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":606.56,"endTime":608.28,"body":"I don't think I could do a Wheatless Wednesday."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":609.32,"endTime":610.28,"body":"It's for the troops."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":610.58,"endTime":612.8,"body":"It's for the troops. Oh, yeah, I guess I'll do a Wheatless Monday."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":614.83,"endTime":617.31,"body":"But, yeah, so back, you know, in 2003, they were like, okay,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":617.37,"endTime":621.07,"body":"let's bring this idea back, but make it for the, you know, not in wartime,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":621.15,"endTime":623.41,"body":"just for the general public to try to get more familiar with the idea."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":623.75,"endTime":628.93,"body":"Right, because there are some health benefits from cutting out animal products."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":629.17,"endTime":629.31,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":629.87,"endTime":634.61,"body":"So, yeah, it's kind of interesting that even back in 1917, we were doing,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":634.63,"endTime":635.81,"body":"like, Meatless Mondays. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":636.05,"endTime":640.19,"body":"And then, you know, in 2010s, we kind of shifted into more of a mainstream type"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":640.19,"endTime":642.69,"body":"situation with the rise of social media."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":642.69,"endTime":646.17,"body":"Yeah, you had Facebook, Instagram, MySpace before that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":646.85,"endTime":650.45,"body":"But yeah, I think specifically with Instagram, it's kind of,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":650.59,"endTime":653.79,"body":"it used to be more picture heavy, like very."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":654.05,"endTime":654.83,"body":"There's all pictures."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":655.09,"endTime":659.73,"body":"Aesthetic, like pictures that we're taking. So, but the interesting thing about"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":659.73,"endTime":664.03,"body":"Instagram that I don't think any of the previous ones had really done was the hashtags."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":664.23,"endTime":664.39,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":664.53,"endTime":669.47,"body":"So you could get your videos or your pictures out in front of other people that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":669.47,"endTime":671.41,"body":"you weren't following or that weren't following you."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":671.41,"endTime":672.89,"body":"Yeah. Hashtag vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":673.25,"endTime":677.27,"body":"Yeah. So that's actually started trending. People started seeing vegan food"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":677.27,"endTime":681.63,"body":"because people were taking really aesthetic, nice, beautiful pictures of their vegan food."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":681.77,"endTime":686.01,"body":"And like normal mainstream people that have never known a vegan or a vegetarian"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":686.01,"endTime":687.43,"body":"were like seeing those pictures."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":687.71,"endTime":689.43,"body":"And they're like, oh, that actually looks great."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":689.49,"endTime":692.85,"body":"Yeah. It's not just rice and beans. That's crazy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":693.65,"endTime":697.37,"body":"Yeah. So this is proof that like sharing pictures of awesome looking vegan food really works."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":697.37,"endTime":702.07,"body":"Yeah. So if you've ever thought, maybe I should just like create an Instagram"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":702.07,"endTime":705.55,"body":"or another social media account just to show like pictures of things I'm eating."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":705.71,"endTime":708.73,"body":"Yeah. People will see that it actually does make an impact."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":708.87,"endTime":709.37,"body":"Yeah, for sure."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":709.71,"endTime":710.93,"body":"Because you're just spreading awareness."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":711.17,"endTime":711.39,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":712.15,"endTime":717.53,"body":"And then there was kind of the rise of Veganuary. So you may remember our podcast"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":717.53,"endTime":719.59,"body":"with Stu from Veganuary a few months ago."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":719.73,"endTime":721.09,"body":"One of my favorite podcasts ever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":721.99,"endTime":726.43,"body":"But the Veganuary campaign launched in 2014 with just over 3,000 participants."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":727.09,"endTime":730.87,"body":"Since then, it's obviously exploded in popularity, introduced vegan food to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":730.87,"endTime":733.23,"body":"many, many, many non-vegans over the last decade."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":733.33,"endTime":738.31,"body":"Like millions. Right. Right. It's crazy how much this has exploded because I"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":738.31,"endTime":741.61,"body":"think it started in the UK and now it's like, I think it's in,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":741.61,"endTime":744.37,"body":"And I can't remember how many countries, but it's very global."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":744.71,"endTime":747.19,"body":"Yeah. And, you know, this is basically like the month of January."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":747.49,"endTime":751.49,"body":"They put out a 30-day campaign helping people, you know, try more vegan food"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":751.49,"endTime":754.69,"body":"and give them tips and tricks and things like that along the way."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":754.81,"endTime":756.03,"body":"But it's hugely successful."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":756.39,"endTime":756.63,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":757.29,"endTime":762.37,"body":"Another thing that changed over time was kind of the improvement of the vegan alternative foods."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":762.67,"endTime":766.19,"body":"So the increased availability of vegan products like vegan cheeses and meats"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":766.19,"endTime":769.41,"body":"has made veganism way more widespread because now you're seeing it in the grocery"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":769.41,"endTime":771.37,"body":"store right next to all the other products."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":771.61,"endTime":774.99,"body":"Yeah, it's really interesting because I went vegetarian back in 2000."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":776.03,"endTime":781.05,"body":"And I remember there were not, like, it was obviously way better than the 1970s. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":781.17,"endTime":786.17,"body":"But, like, there weren't many options. I remember I was basically able to get vegan hot dogs."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":786.41,"endTime":790.05,"body":"Mm-hmm. Not corn dogs, vegan hot dogs that were not very good."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":790.19,"endTime":792.93,"body":"Yeah. And then, like, Morningstar chicken nuggets."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":793.17,"endTime":796.45,"body":"And I think Morningstar had, like, a veggie burger that I used to get a lot."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":797.51,"endTime":801.41,"body":"But I remember, so I was vegetarian, not vegan. But I remember when we were"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":801.41,"endTime":805.67,"body":"shopping, I saw a vegan cheese option. But there was only one on the shelf."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":805.85,"endTime":805.97,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":806.03,"endTime":810.09,"body":"And it was awful. Like, it was really quite bad."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":810.33,"endTime":814.51,"body":"Yeah. And I think that's, so I remember we only bought it once and my parents"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":814.51,"endTime":816.93,"body":"tried it and they were just like, oh my God, this is disgusting."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":817.81,"endTime":822.31,"body":"And it was also like pretty expensive at the time compared to dairy cheeses."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":822.59,"endTime":824.71,"body":"So it's interesting to see how far we've come."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":824.95,"endTime":829.41,"body":"Yeah. And, you know, that's an easy way when you can just see a product on the shelf at the store."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":829.69,"endTime":832.57,"body":"It's an easy way for people to be introduced to vegan food without having to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":832.57,"endTime":834.77,"body":"learn a lot about cooking and how to work with new foods."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":834.77,"endTime":837.87,"body":"they just grab this product and like oh that's vegan or that's like a meat alternative"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":837.87,"endTime":841.47,"body":"or something i'll try that yeah one of the good ones we had we found the black"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":841.47,"endTime":845.63,"body":"bee the blackbird seitan at the grocery store and we tried that and ended up"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":845.63,"endTime":846.87,"body":"eating all the time for like a year."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":846.87,"endTime":851.03,"body":"Straight yeah even bought like a mini freezer to store it in yeah yeah and i"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":851.03,"endTime":855.77,"body":"do think um you know while i think most vegans aren't solely relying on like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":855.77,"endTime":861.39,"body":"processed convenience vegan food items it's really helpful if you're just starting"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":861.39,"endTime":864.29,"body":"your vegan journey and you don't know how to use things like tofu and you don't"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":864.29,"endTime":865.65,"body":"know how to make your own plant-based cheeses."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":865.97,"endTime":867.73,"body":"Yeah, definitely. That's very helpful."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":867.89,"endTime":871.31,"body":"Which I think is why we're seeing like an increase in vegans."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":872.21,"endTime":878.47,"body":"Because, like, before it was like, if you join the vegan movement,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":878.47,"endTime":880.41,"body":"you need to learn all of this stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":880.67,"endTime":884.81,"body":"You need to, like, learn a whole new set of skills and have a bunch more knowledge"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":884.81,"endTime":886.45,"body":"than you do on different food types."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":886.67,"endTime":892.63,"body":"But now you could just drop into veganism and, like, make it for a while before"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":892.63,"endTime":894.51,"body":"you actually had to learn how to cook, you know?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":894.69,"endTime":898.07,"body":"Yeah. And, you know, that's actually helpful because if you're becoming a vegan,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":898.63,"endTime":901.21,"body":"like, the food isn't the only thing you have to learn. And there's a whole lot"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":901.21,"endTime":903.49,"body":"of other stuff that comes with you, like, oh, how do I stop using leather,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":903.69,"endTime":905.29,"body":"like, these fibers I can't use, or whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":905.49,"endTime":908.05,"body":"So there's a lot of stuff you have to think about, and you can help take the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":908.05,"endTime":911.17,"body":"load off a little bit by pushing off the food decisions a little."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":911.57,"endTime":914.49,"body":"Yeah, and it just makes, and even if you are trying to learn how to cook,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":914.71,"endTime":917.61,"body":"there are some days that you're going to, like, get off work late,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient 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they're going pretty hard and you know obviously"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":968.37,"endTime":971.05,"body":"that sparks interest especially those those movies were all kind of attacking"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":971.05,"endTime":974.39,"body":"it from a different angle yeah so you're able to cover like the concerns of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":974.39,"endTime":975.85,"body":"multiple different types of groups of people."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":975.85,"endTime":980.57,"body":"Right it's like not necessarily vegan documentaries but plant-based documentaries"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":980.57,"endTime":985.05,"body":"that might cover human health or environmental and then you know there are obviously,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":985.17,"endTime":987.33,"body":"ones about the animal impact."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient 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recipe you could ever possibly imagine veganized i"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1020.56,"endTime":1024.3,"body":"Wonder how often the uh like the cooks that were always on tv like martha stewart"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1024.3,"endTime":1026.0,"body":"and paul adine i wonder how often they delved into."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1026.0,"endTime":1028.58,"body":"Vegan food i think never yeah actually definitely probably"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1028.58,"endTime":1029.22,"body":"Not paul adine."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1029.22,"endTime":1033.12,"body":"No and this is actually really interesting because i just saw something about"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1033.12,"endTime":1037.68,"body":"gordon ramsay who we like to watch gordon ramsey stuff because he's he's mean"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient 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I mean, I think that goes to show you how mainstream it's gotten."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1064.19,"endTime":1068.95,"body":"It's even chefs that were adamantly against veganism are kind of having to adopt"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1068.95,"endTime":1072.03,"body":"it and do stuff with it to stay relevant."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1072.53,"endTime":1076.13,"body":"Yeah. Yeah. And especially we'll watch we watch a bunch of the cooking shows"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1076.13,"endTime":1079.45,"body":"and stuff and they'll have like a vegan challenge or a vegan person on there."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1079.53,"endTime":1082.77,"body":"And everybody's like, oh, no, we can't have butter. Come on."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1082.91,"endTime":1085.95,"body":"It's really not that big of a deal. Or they do a vegan week,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1086.03,"endTime":1087.25,"body":"which I always think is really fun."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1087.45,"endTime":1094.59,"body":"Yeah. I really enjoy like cooking and baking shows, but they do kind of suck"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1094.59,"endTime":1096.71,"body":"because there's so many animal products in them."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1096.93,"endTime":1100.29,"body":"I would really love a fully vegan cooking show."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1100.53,"endTime":1100.99,"body":"Yeah, definitely."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1101.27,"endTime":1104.75,"body":"Or like a fully vegan baking competition would be so much fun."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1104.87,"endTime":1105.87,"body":"Yeah, that would be a lot of fun."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1106.13,"endTime":1108.63,"body":"Yeah, I think, and I've seen this actually on threads a lot."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1108.75,"endTime":1113.15,"body":"People just like asking for it because they like Top Chef or MasterChef or something."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1113.15,"endTime":1117.39,"body":"And it's like, yeah, you gave us one week of a vegan challenge,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1117.39,"endTime":1122.45,"body":"but if you could just do a fully vegan season, season would be so cool."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1123.41,"endTime":1127.57,"body":"And there are definitely enough talented vegan chefs to run a season like that. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1127.91,"endTime":1130.33,"body":"Maybe we'll have to have the deficient vegans cooking show one day."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1132.65,"endTime":1136.65,"body":"Yeah, so now let's talk about when some of our favorite vegan staple foods were"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1136.65,"endTime":1138.73,"body":"invented. Maybe give a little history walkthrough."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1139.29,"endTime":1143.63,"body":"So plant-based milks, originally, plant-based milks have been around and consumed for centuries."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1143.85,"endTime":1147.79,"body":"Which may surprise you since everyone keeps saying don't call them plant-based"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1147.79,"endTime":1150.81,"body":"milks. That's a newfangled thing with you vegans."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1151.21,"endTime":1155.65,"body":"Yeah. The oldest is actually coconut milk, likely in use for over 5,000 years."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1155.89,"endTime":1159.51,"body":"5,000 years? When was the first cow milk,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1159.63,"endTime":1161.19,"body":"I wonder? I was just thinking the same thing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1161.23,"endTime":1161.53,"body":"Actually."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1161.53,"endTime":1164.07,"body":"Is coconut milk older than dairy milk?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1164.25,"endTime":1165.23,"body":"Dude, maybe."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1165.65,"endTime":1168.85,"body":"I mean, logistically, it seems like people would have tried to drink a coconut"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1168.85,"endTime":1170.85,"body":"before they tried to suck a cow teeth."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1170.89,"endTime":1172.13,"body":"Suckle a cow teeth, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1173.85,"endTime":1174.69,"body":"Anyway, maybe."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1174.77,"endTime":1175.81,"body":"One's a lot more weird."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1177.31,"endTime":1183.33,"body":"Soy milk has roots in 14th century China. Almond milk dates back to 13th century Middle East."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1183.59,"endTime":1183.91,"body":"Wow."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1184.67,"endTime":1187.59,"body":"And then modern versions of these that you can buy at the grocery stores now"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1187.59,"endTime":1189.01,"body":"arrived in the early 20th century."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1189.63,"endTime":1193.29,"body":"Oat milk specifically was kind of a more modern invention from the 1990s."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1193.77,"endTime":1199.75,"body":"But I remember before oat milk was invented, soy milk was like the non-dairy"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1199.75,"endTime":1201.69,"body":"milk choice. It was like the go-to."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1201.89,"endTime":1204.91,"body":"Yeah, I don't even think the other ones were really on the shelf as options."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1205.35,"endTime":1205.59,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1205.87,"endTime":1210.43,"body":"And now I think, you know, most vegans I've talked to actually still prefer soy milk."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1210.61,"endTime":1213.71,"body":"Yeah, that's the one we use now. We actually really like oat milk,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1213.93,"endTime":1217.41,"body":"but soy milk seems like it's better for all the stuff we use it for,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1217.47,"endTime":1219.15,"body":"plus it's a little higher protein. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1219.37,"endTime":1223.43,"body":"A little bit. Significantly higher protein on a percentage basis. Yeah, that's true."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1224.71,"endTime":1228.79,"body":"And I think more cost effective if you're looking at it on like a gram of protein"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1228.79,"endTime":1230.99,"body":"per dollar or even 100 calories per dollar."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1231.33,"endTime":1235.93,"body":"Yeah, definitely. Yes, and they've been called milk for a really long time."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1236.29,"endTime":1241.19,"body":"Yeah. And, I mean, going back to this processed myth, I would say,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1241.39,"endTime":1244.49,"body":"you can make pretty much all of these at home."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1244.65,"endTime":1245.09,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1245.31,"endTime":1245.93,"body":"In your kitchen."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1246.15,"endTime":1246.47,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1246.67,"endTime":1247.11,"body":"So..."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1248.17,"endTime":1251.57,"body":"Next is tofu, invented in China around 200 BC."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1251.93,"endTime":1252.75,"body":"Thank you, China."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1253.87,"endTime":1257.03,"body":"It's often called processed, but you can literally make it in your kitchen. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1258.12,"endTime":1259.22,"body":"Don't even think it's very hard."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1259.46,"endTime":1264.54,"body":"Yeah. It's also known as bean curd, and it has been a staple in East Asia cuisine for centuries now."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1264.88,"endTime":1268.78,"body":"According to legend, tofu was discovered accidentally during the Han Dynasty in China."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1269.0,"endTime":1271.08,"body":"I don't think it's actually documented where it was invented,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1271.24,"endTime":1273.2,"body":"but that's the, you know, the myth around it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1273.44,"endTime":1275.56,"body":"The legend. Yeah. The legend around it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1275.62,"endTime":1278.76,"body":"They say that a cook accidentally curdled some soy milk while preparing a meal"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1278.76,"endTime":1282.32,"body":"for the emperor, and the emperor was pleased with the resulting dish, and tofu was born."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1282.66,"endTime":1286.4,"body":"Okay. This kind of reminds me of that show. Yeah. So there's a show that we"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1286.4,"endTime":1289.46,"body":"watched. We actually watched it twice back to back because it was so good."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1289.88,"endTime":1294.9,"body":"But it was Bon Appetit, Your Majesty. It's I don't know. I think it's a Korean"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1294.9,"endTime":1297.26,"body":"show, but it's dubbed in English."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1297.48,"endTime":1300.3,"body":"So you don't have to just read subtitles."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1300.62,"endTime":1304.36,"body":"But it was really good because basically every episode, there's some,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1304.44,"endTime":1307.74,"body":"you know, very high stakes situation happening."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1308.16,"endTime":1310.56,"body":"And it requires the perfect dish."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1310.56,"endTime":1315.1,"body":"It requires the perfect dish, and the vast majority of the episode is just,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1315.1,"endTime":1319.46,"body":"like, slow cooking of this dish and explaining, like, origins of,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1319.62,"endTime":1321.64,"body":"you know, how it was used back in the day."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1322.46,"endTime":1325.16,"body":"It's actually quite fascinating, but they did a lot of stuff with tofu."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1325.38,"endTime":1326.78,"body":"Yeah, it was a really good show."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1327.02,"endTime":1331.04,"body":"I kind of want to go watch it again. And there's a love story in it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1331.1,"endTime":1332.9,"body":"There's also some time traveling. I mean."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1333.0,"endTime":1333.8,"body":"Yeah, who would have thought that?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1333.86,"endTime":1336.6,"body":"A lot of great selling points for Bon Appetit, Your Majesty."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1336.88,"endTime":1341.38,"body":"Yeah. Koreans really love their time travel. They do. Little time travel details"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1341.38,"endTime":1343.76,"body":"in a movie that otherwise has nothing to do with time travel."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1344.04,"endTime":1348.12,"body":"Yeah. The first Korean movie I ever saw was My Sassy Girl. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1348.24,"endTime":1349.84,"body":"And they throw it in at the end and I'm like."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1349.86,"endTime":1350.54,"body":"Is that a spoiler?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1350.78,"endTime":1352.42,"body":"Oh, it's pretty old."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1353.14,"endTime":1356.1,"body":"I don't want to tell you what happens. But time travel adjacent."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1356.42,"endTime":1359.36,"body":"I don't think it's a spoiler because it actually has nothing to do with the plot."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1359.54,"endTime":1368.24,"body":"They just like have a random like maybe like it alludes to potential time travel at the very, very end."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1368.3,"endTime":1369.16,"body":"The last frame."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1369.16,"endTime":1372.24,"body":"Yeah, with like no context to the rest of the film."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1372.64,"endTime":1377.78,"body":"It also doesn't affect the plot really much at all. So that's another good one."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1378.36,"endTime":1379.38,"body":"Check those both out."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1379.74,"endTime":1384.36,"body":"Um, tofu experienced a surge in the West during the late 1960s to 1980s,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1385.18,"endTime":1388.62,"body":"um, kind of the counterculture movement, growing interest in vegetarianism,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1388.82,"endTime":1389.9,"body":"all that stuff comes together."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1390.12,"endTime":1393.18,"body":"Also the rise of health conscious diets, trying to eat healthier food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1393.28,"endTime":1397.08,"body":"Yeah. All, you know, centered or converged on, Hey, let's eat some tofu."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1397.44,"endTime":1400.14,"body":"Yeah. Okay. Did you watch the show Doug?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1400.38,"endTime":1400.62,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1401.08,"endTime":1401.98,"body":"On Nickelodeon?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1402.02,"endTime":1402.38,"body":"Yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1402.38,"endTime":1408.38,"body":"I remember the first time I ever heard about Tofu. It's the fictional band in"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1408.38,"endTime":1409.68,"body":"the show Doug, The Beats."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1410.04,"endTime":1413.98,"body":"They had a song called Killer Tofu. Yeah. Oh, man. What are the lyrics?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1414.22,"endTime":1416.46,"body":"Hold, please. Okay, here are some highlights of the lyrics."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1417.2,"endTime":1421.54,"body":"Fast food feels fuzzy because it's made from stuff that's scuzzy."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1422.06,"endTime":1427.36,"body":"I always thought I was such a nerd. I refused to touch that strange bean curd."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1427.6,"endTime":1430.54,"body":"I wouldn't eat it, but it ate you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1431.92,"endTime":1438.94,"body":"ayu killer tofu and then it also talks about some other like sugary foods and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1438.94,"endTime":1443.86,"body":"stuff but like not tofu can i actually play a little bit of it just"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1443.86,"endTime":1444.98,"body":"Just a few seconds yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1444.98,"endTime":1447.28,"body":"Okay don't yell at us"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1450.12,"endTime":1455.5,"body":"we're trying to get you more views on doug you used"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1455.5,"endTime":1459.0,"body":"To touch that strange teeth I wouldn't."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1459.0,"endTime":1460.18,"body":"Get down"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1469.32,"endTime":1470.04,"body":"Or tofu."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1470.38,"endTime":1472.34,"body":"So if you like that, it's on Spotify."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1474.9,"endTime":1478.18,"body":"And I do listen to it regularly. It's on several of my playlists."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1480.42,"endTime":1485.14,"body":"All right. Next up is seitan. This way of preparing weak gluten has been documented"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1485.14,"endTime":1487.06,"body":"in China since the 6th century."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1487.34,"endTime":1490.56,"body":"Whoa. The 6th century? That's crazy. Throwback."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1491.62,"endTime":1494.74,"body":"It's widely consumed by the Chinese as a substitute for meat,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1494.9,"endTime":1497.64,"body":"especially among adherents of Chinese Buddhism."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1497.64,"endTime":1500.06,"body":"Which were mostly vegetarian, right?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1500.26,"endTime":1505.04,"body":"As far as I know, yeah. Wheat gluten arrived in the West by the 18th century."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1505.32,"endTime":1510.58,"body":"And by the 1850s, Western doctors were recommending wheat gluten in diets for diabetics."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1510.84,"endTime":1512.14,"body":"That's interesting. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1513.2,"endTime":1517.06,"body":"In the United States also, the Seventh-day Adventists promoted the consumption"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1517.06,"endTime":1519.34,"body":"of wheat gluten from the late 19th century."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1519.54,"endTime":1524.6,"body":"It became a staple in 1970s health food stores. And then in the 1980s and 1990s,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1524.64,"endTime":1528.98,"body":"it had a big expansion. And the popularity grew and accelerated when brands"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1528.98,"endTime":1532.12,"body":"like Tofurky started making commercial seitan products."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1532.28,"endTime":1533.18,"body":"That's pretty cool."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1533.26,"endTime":1533.74,"body":"They're still around."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1534.02,"endTime":1537.22,"body":"Yeah, they are still around. I think we actually got a Tofurky..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1538.65,"endTime":1540.11,"body":"Yeah. A couple of Thanksgiving's ago."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1540.27,"endTime":1542.97,"body":"They have like, they're mainly known for lunch meat type stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1543.11,"endTime":1546.99,"body":"Yeah. Now, I think one of their original products was actually like a whole"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1546.99,"endTime":1550.19,"body":"tofurkey. Yeah, I agree. And now, yeah, it's more of a lunch meat. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1550.91,"endTime":1556.23,"body":"But I think seitan is really interesting because most people don't understand what it is at all."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1556.35,"endTime":1559.27,"body":"Oh, yeah. And they'll immediately be like, it's super processed."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1559.37,"endTime":1560.71,"body":"I see this about seitan more than anything."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1560.87,"endTime":1566.21,"body":"I'm like, it's literally, well, the way I make it, it's vital weak gluten plus water."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1566.41,"endTime":1571.23,"body":"Yeah. But you can also, and you could say, oh, but a wee gluten's super processed."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1571.59,"endTime":1574.67,"body":"And it's like, well, cool, but you can also make it with flour and water,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1574.67,"endTime":1577.21,"body":"and then it's the washing method. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1578.67,"endTime":1583.07,"body":"So even less processed. Bam. Probably maybe the least processed if you just"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1583.07,"endTime":1583.97,"body":"make it with flour and water."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1584.07,"endTime":1585.79,"body":"Yeah, I think out of all these, it's probably the least processed."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1585.95,"endTime":1586.11,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1586.69,"endTime":1592.61,"body":"Yeah. Next is tempeh. So tempeh was invented in Indonesia about 300 to 400 years ago."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1592.71,"endTime":1595.03,"body":"This one's a little newer. Historians trace."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1595.19,"endTime":1595.59,"body":"Newer."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1596.85,"endTime":1601.31,"body":"Yeah, these foods are all ancient, is the point here. Historians trace its origins"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1601.31,"endTime":1604.07,"body":"to the 1600s when it was first documented in central Java."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1605.69,"endTime":1610.33,"body":"Fermented, this is a, it's a fermented soybean cake, and it was originally created"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1610.33,"endTime":1613.99,"body":"accidentally when fungal spores grew on soybeans wrapped in traditional leaves."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1614.07,"endTime":1615.97,"body":"And they were like, hey, let's eat that shit. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1616.59,"endTime":1618.95,"body":"It's funny how many of these were accidents, but I guess a lot of stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1619.07,"endTime":1621.73,"body":"Yeah. Now, we don't really eat tempeh much, but you know what?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1622.35,"endTime":1627.03,"body":"I get comments about my Rice Krispie treats looking like tempeh all the time."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1627.95,"endTime":1632.05,"body":"I guess I kind of do. In the 1960s, Western scientific research into tempeh"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1632.05,"endTime":1633.29,"body":"began in the United States."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1633.55,"endTime":1636.77,"body":"And that helped to transition from an Indonesian regional staple to a globally"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1636.77,"endTime":1637.71,"body":"recognized meat alternative."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1638.07,"endTime":1641.53,"body":"Yeah, and the whole food plant-based crowd really, really loves this one. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1641.79,"endTime":1644.75,"body":"I mean, I've seen a lot of people who really like it. I've tried it a couple"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1644.75,"endTime":1647.77,"body":"times. I don't know if I just haven't tried it the right way or the right flavor or what."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1648.05,"endTime":1652.41,"body":"Yeah, it's like I've made it twice and then I stopped trying to figure it out. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1652.67,"endTime":1655.53,"body":"But I know a lot of people really love it. So there's definitely a way to make"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1655.53,"endTime":1656.51,"body":"it taste really good. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1657.01,"endTime":1659.81,"body":"Um next up's one of our favorites tvp which."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1659.81,"endTime":1663.47,"body":"You might think is super super new yeah is it super super new"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1663.47,"endTime":1667.71,"body":"It's not but it's kind of new it was admitted in the 1960s so it's like i."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1667.71,"endTime":1668.77,"body":"Feel like that's not that new"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1668.77,"endTime":1672.33,"body":"It was 20 years ago right i can never uh 60."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1672.33,"endTime":1674.29,"body":"Years ago 60 plus years ago"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1674.29,"endTime":1679.65,"body":"Yeah i think yeah i always get this you know i still think of it like i think"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1679.65,"endTime":1682.69,"body":"i feel like i'm just perpetually in the year 2000 as far as like thinking about"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1682.69,"endTime":1685.67,"body":"how far away things are i'm like Like the 60s was like 40 years ago."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1686.65,"endTime":1686.91,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1687.33,"endTime":1687.91,"body":"But it wasn't."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1688.15,"endTime":1688.65,"body":"No."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1688.91,"endTime":1694.85,"body":"So anyway, this was amended in the 1960s by the company Archer Daniels Midland"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1694.85,"endTime":1697.91,"body":"in Chicago that made, it was basically a food processing company."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1698.78,"endTime":1700.44,"body":"So that's kind of cool. It was made in Chicago."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1700.74,"endTime":1702.26,"body":"Yeah, I love that for us. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1702.7,"endTime":1707.16,"body":"By 1968, it was heavily used in various food products. The popularity continued"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1707.16,"endTime":1712.42,"body":"to grow in 1971 after it got approved for use in school lunch programs."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1713.26,"endTime":1717.38,"body":"Actually, that's kind of cool. Yeah. Oh, and I was reading about the invention"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1717.38,"endTime":1721.18,"body":"of it. And I guess originally it was going to be used in chili."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1721.48,"endTime":1725.6,"body":"That's like what their main intent was, to add volume and protein to chili."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1725.72,"endTime":1728.62,"body":"No, that makes a lot of sense. It's really good in chili. So that's how we use"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1728.62,"endTime":1731.14,"body":"it. One of the hundreds of ways we use it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1731.98,"endTime":1735.7,"body":"It is just one ingredient, by the way. It's soybeans. But it does go through"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1735.7,"endTime":1738.78,"body":"a process to defat it. So to take the fat out of the soybean."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1739.26,"endTime":1743.46,"body":"But, you know, if that's too much processing for you, soy curls are actually"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1743.46,"endTime":1746.24,"body":"slightly less processed because they don't go through the defatting process."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1746.56,"endTime":1750.54,"body":"Yeah. And those are invented in Oregon by Butler Foods around the year 2000."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1750.56,"endTime":1753.34,"body":"And they basically still sell the most popular soy curl product."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1753.7,"endTime":1755.16,"body":"And they're delicious, by the way."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1755.2,"endTime":1756.02,"body":"I really like soy curls."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1756.06,"endTime":1756.6,"body":"I like them too."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1756.82,"endTime":1760.02,"body":"Yeah. And then, you know, we said earlier, protein powders are basically just"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1760.02,"endTime":1764.9,"body":"as processed as TVP and they're used regularly by the same people who talk about how processed TVP is."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1765.18,"endTime":1765.34,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1765.54,"endTime":1765.76,"body":"So."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1766.34,"endTime":1771.26,"body":"Yeah. Saying TVP is like way too processed for you feels, I mean,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1771.34,"endTime":1774.04,"body":"maybe if you're like super whole foods plant-based. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1774.24,"endTime":1778.06,"body":"TVP would be over the line for you. But for general people that I see commenting"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1778.06,"endTime":1783.04,"body":"it's processed, I'm like, I'm guessing you eat a lot more highly processed stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1783.28,"endTime":1783.44,"body":"Yep."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1784.54,"endTime":1787.94,"body":"Uh, next up is veggie burgers. So people probably are pretty familiar with these"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1787.94,"endTime":1788.9,"body":"more than this other stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1789.3,"endTime":1792.18,"body":"Yeah. And there's been quite an evolution around veggie burgers."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1792.4,"endTime":1795.44,"body":"Yeah. I mean, that means a lot of stuff. It's not even necessarily like one type of burger."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1795.58,"endTime":1798.74,"body":"Yeah. I mean, there was like the black bean burger craze."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1798.92,"endTime":1802.34,"body":"And then there was the one I liked the most, which they're not vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1802.52,"endTime":1805.0,"body":"So, which is really sad. I think they use egg."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1805.48,"endTime":1808.78,"body":"Uh, it was the Morningstar had a veggie burger that had a bunch of different"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1809.52,"endTime":1812.5,"body":"like actual vegetables in it. Yeah. That was really, really good."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1812.72,"endTime":1816.18,"body":"Do mushroom burgers count as veggie burgers? I don't think mushroom is technically a vegetable, but."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1816.32,"endTime":1820.0,"body":"I mean, people say portobello burgers. My dad used to cook me a lot of portobello"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1820.0,"endTime":1823.6,"body":"burgers. Yeah. Burger, in quotes, you know? Yeah, yeah. Because he wasn't really sure."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1823.8,"endTime":1825.72,"body":"I mean, I think my parents just didn't really know what to cook."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1825.9,"endTime":1829.54,"body":"So if he was grilling something, he would just grill me a portobello burger."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1829.86,"endTime":1831.3,"body":"Why don't they just call those portaburgers?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1832.3,"endTime":1835.7,"body":"I don't know. You could try to make that a thing if you want."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1835.8,"endTime":1836.22,"body":"I just did."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1836.44,"endTime":1837.24,"body":"Okay. All right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1838.6,"endTime":1840.96,"body":"Everybody, you know, be with me on this. Portaburgers."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1841.94,"endTime":1844.48,"body":"Portaburgers. And that makes me feel like they're just portable,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1844.52,"endTime":1850.0,"body":"but I know it feels redundant. I don't know."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1850.56,"endTime":1852.66,"body":"It's Porto burger, not Port."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1853.04,"endTime":1854.2,"body":"What about Bella burgers?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1856.06,"endTime":1857.2,"body":"That's way better. Why do you"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1857.2,"endTime":1859.88,"body":"have to come up with something that's way better? I don't know. Anyway."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1861.84,"endTime":1865.78,"body":"All right. Anyway, we'll let the people vote which one they like. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1867.74,"endTime":1872.38,"body":"By 1985, the Veggie Burger was the most popular one at the stores."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1872.7,"endTime":1876.68,"body":"And the brand Garden Burger released its first vegetable-based burger commercially in 1982."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1877.66,"endTime":1880.96,"body":"Then the following year, Boca Burger was founded, which is still around."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1881.12,"endTime":1885.56,"body":"Yeah. This is the one I remember seeing a lot in, like, the 2000s."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1885.56,"endTime":1889.9,"body":"because that was before Impossible or Beyond even hit the market."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1890.32,"endTime":1893.56,"body":"Yeah. Boca Burgers. Yeah, they are still around. They're harder to find, though."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1893.8,"endTime":1893.94,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1894.44,"endTime":1897.28,"body":"The original one has crazy good macros."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1897.94,"endTime":1901.1,"body":"Yeah. No, for sure. And then, so they released in 92."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1901.46,"endTime":1905.78,"body":"And then by 2002, they were bringing in more than $70 million a year on their"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1905.78,"endTime":1907.5,"body":"Boca Burgers and Kraft Foods bought the company."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1907.64,"endTime":1911.06,"body":"That's crazy. Yeah. $70 million a year? Yeah. That's pretty damn good."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1911.14,"endTime":1916.68,"body":"For some veggie burgers. Not bad. Yeah. 2002 Burger King introduced their BK Veggie Burger."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1917.04,"endTime":1920.24,"body":"So it's the same year that Kraft acquired Boca Burger. So they were probably"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1920.24,"endTime":1922.04,"body":"like, oh, this veggie burger thing looks pretty good."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1922.24,"endTime":1926.84,"body":"Honestly, that was probably the first fast food chain to actually try to have"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1926.84,"endTime":1929.02,"body":"a vegetarian or vegan option."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1929.18,"endTime":1929.7,"body":"For a burger."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1929.9,"endTime":1933.38,"body":"For probably anything that's like protein related."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1933.64,"endTime":1934.56,"body":"Yeah, that's probably true, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1934.86,"endTime":1938.82,"body":"I mean, excluding, you know, Asian places which have always been serving tofu."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1939.1,"endTime":1942.28,"body":"Right. But specifically like an American fast food chain. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1942.54,"endTime":1945.98,"body":"I think this is probably maybe the first ever protein option for vegetarians and vegans."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1946.06,"endTime":1950.74,"body":"It wouldn't surprise me, yo. In 2013, the first lab-grown burger was produced."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1951.1,"endTime":1955.64,"body":"Beyond Meat produced also their Beyond Chicken Strip and then later launched"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1955.64,"endTime":1956.9,"body":"the Beyond Burger in 2016."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1957.52,"endTime":1962.36,"body":"Wow. So they're actually pretty new. I guess for some reason I didn't realize"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1962.36,"endTime":1963.8,"body":"they were that new of a company."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1964.12,"endTime":1967.38,"body":"Yeah. Also in 2016, Impossible launched their Impossible Burger."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1967.58,"endTime":1969.24,"body":"So Beyond came first."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1969.48,"endTime":1972.34,"body":"Slightly. But I think they released the burger product around the same time."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1973.87,"endTime":1978.47,"body":"I feel like, okay, this is maybe a pretty niche comparison, but I feel like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1978.47,"endTime":1983.03,"body":"the Beyond versus Impossible Burger thing reminds me of, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1983.25,"endTime":1986.33,"body":"are you a Backstreet Boys fan or an NSYNC fan? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1986.57,"endTime":1989.73,"body":"And it's like, I don't know. I feel like you can learn a lot about someone."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1990.03,"endTime":1993.09,"body":"Yeah. You're like, I'll take whichever one pops up in front of me."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1993.73,"endTime":1996.37,"body":"Well, I feel that way about the burgers, not so much the bands."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1997.39,"endTime":2000.73,"body":"I'm a Backstreet Boys girl for life. What about 98 Degrees?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2000.73,"endTime":2001.71,"body":"Those guys never get in the level."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2001.71,"endTime":2004.45,"body":"No, I know, and they don't. I think they're just a different vibe."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2004.63,"endTime":2006.49,"body":"Yeah. But I like 98 Degrees, too. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2007.01,"endTime":2008.47,"body":"Does Chumbo Wimba count as a boy band?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2008.75,"endTime":2013.19,"body":"I don't think so. But, you know, what I did hear is they get knocked down,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2013.27,"endTime":2014.37,"body":"but they always get up again."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2014.55,"endTime":2020.25,"body":"That's true. Yeah. And then 2019, Burger King, coming back again,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2020.71,"endTime":2025.91,"body":"launched the Impossible Whopper nationwide to signal a massive mainstream pivot"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2025.91,"endTime":2028.25,"body":"into this plant-based burger situation."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2028.25,"endTime":2033.27,"body":"I really wanted to find information on, and I know this would be impossible"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2033.27,"endTime":2038.89,"body":"to find, but I really wanted to know, like, what percentage of people buying"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2038.89,"endTime":2041.25,"body":"the Impossible Whopper are actually vegan or vegetarian?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2041.55,"endTime":2046.57,"body":"Because most people that I know don't really buy that that are vegan, you know?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2046.71,"endTime":2050.37,"body":"Yeah. But I've heard a lot of omnivores actually get those because maybe their"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2050.37,"endTime":2051.91,"body":"doctor said, oh, you got high cholesterol,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2051.91,"endTime":2055.43,"body":"maybe reduce your red meat consumption. So that's what they get."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2055.43,"endTime":2059.21,"body":"Most people get to that conversation. At least most men get to that conversation at some point."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2059.61,"endTime":2063.23,"body":"I want to know, what is the percentage of omnivores actually buying Impossible"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2063.23,"endTime":2064.47,"body":"Whoppers? I bet it's high."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2064.67,"endTime":2064.91,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2066.13,"endTime":2070.77,"body":"The next category is vegan cheeses. So in the early 1990s, the only brand of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2070.77,"endTime":2073.61,"body":"vegan cheese available in the United States was Soy Mage, which I think is the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2073.61,"endTime":2074.41,"body":"one you said you didn't like."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2074.43,"endTime":2078.21,"body":"Dude, I don't know what the brand was that I tried because we only tried it once."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2078.45,"endTime":2082.81,"body":"But what I will say is I didn't try anything in the 90s, but I did try something"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2082.81,"endTime":2085.39,"body":"in 2000, the year 2000, and it sucked ass."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2086.89,"endTime":2091.85,"body":"And vegan cheeses have come so far. I would say even farther than like the meat"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2091.85,"endTime":2096.05,"body":"alternatives. Like, vegan cheeses have really drastically improved."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2096.23,"endTime":2098.23,"body":"Yeah, and there's a ton of varieties. Oh, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2098.39,"endTime":2098.51,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2098.93,"endTime":2102.83,"body":"Especially when there's even, like, the little more independent type cheese shops. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2103.63,"endTime":2108.71,"body":"Like the Peaceful Rebel, Rebel Cheese, Cheese and Thank You, all those."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2108.85,"endTime":2111.89,"body":"Like, they're not even necessarily huge companies, but they make awesome cheeses."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2112.45,"endTime":2115.49,"body":"So good that you almost can't tell they're vegan. Yeah. Like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2115.55,"endTime":2116.87,"body":"I think you could probably trick"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2116.87,"endTime":2119.95,"body":"people. Yeah, for sure. I know omnivores that buy Rebel Cheese. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2120.49,"endTime":2124.69,"body":"Yeah. um dia came out in 2008 yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2124.69,"endTime":2128.69,"body":"That was one of the first ones and it's improved a lot because i remember in"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2128.69,"endTime":2131.75,"body":"2008 it kind of sucked because i remember trying it really early"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2131.75,"endTime":2135.39,"body":"Dia seems like it's always been the one that was like on the shelf when it was"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2135.39,"endTime":2139.61,"body":"like the yeah vegetarian pizzas or well i guess not the vegan pizzas and stuff"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2139.61,"endTime":2143.17,"body":"it seems like most of those were dia a lot of the products that weren't like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2143.17,"endTime":2146.37,"body":"just cheese had the dia yeah it's."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2146.37,"endTime":2148.45,"body":"Gotten a lot better since 2008 though Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2149.37,"endTime":2152.57,"body":"And then there was Miyoko's in 2014. You like that one."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2152.61,"endTime":2155.23,"body":"Right? I think Miyoko's really changed the game on a lot of stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2156.37,"endTime":2158.85,"body":"It was like a, what do they call it? Like a gourmet cheese."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2159.23,"endTime":2160.81,"body":"Right. Yeah. More artisanal."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2161.09,"endTime":2161.45,"body":"Artisanal."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2161.59,"endTime":2165.25,"body":"That's what I was looking for. It's like, yes, their slices were good and they"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2165.25,"endTime":2166.55,"body":"had like good vegan butter."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2166.71,"endTime":2171.41,"body":"But honestly, like where she really changed the game was that liquid mozzarella cheese for pizzas."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2171.75,"endTime":2175.91,"body":"Yeah. And then she also had like those little gourmet cheese blocks that you"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2175.91,"endTime":2177.15,"body":"could find, but you can't find"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2177.15,"endTime":2179.73,"body":"those anymore. And I don't know if they're bringing those back and also..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2180.8,"endTime":2182.64,"body":"I guess F Miyoko's right now, right?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2183.0,"endTime":2187.04,"body":"Man, I don't know. She doesn't own it anymore."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2187.16,"endTime":2190.7,"body":"Right? Right, yeah, they kind of screwed her. Yeah. I think a couple times. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2191.36,"endTime":2195.14,"body":"And then there's Veal Life, which was actually founded in the 90s in Greece,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2195.14,"endTime":2198.76,"body":"but it only expanded to the U.S. markets in like 2017, 2018."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2199.06,"endTime":2203.0,"body":"That blew my mind when I read that. I did not realize it wasn't an American-based"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2203.0,"endTime":2204.0,"body":"company, actually. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2204.92,"endTime":2208.4,"body":"The 1990s, Veal Life is actually, I think, my favorite shredded cheese."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2208.66,"endTime":2210.72,"body":"Yeah, that's the one we tend to get for shredded when we need that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2211.88,"endTime":2216.0,"body":"Yeah, and they just won, like, we covered that last week. They won four Tasty"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2216.0,"endTime":2218.82,"body":"Awards and some Veg News Award."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2219.0,"endTime":2219.7,"body":"Yeah, a lot of stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2219.76,"endTime":2220.4,"body":"A lot of good stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2220.56,"endTime":2222.6,"body":"There's just a couple of other companies you might recognize."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2223.2,"endTime":2226.18,"body":"Morningstar, who we've had a love-hate relationship with in the past."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2226.22,"endTime":2228.16,"body":"Yeah, it's like I love them because they"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2228.16,"endTime":2231.96,"body":"kept me fed as a child when I was vegetarian, didn't know what to eat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2232.28,"endTime":2237.88,"body":"Yeah. But now they, like, use the word plant-based, very willy-nilly."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2238.64,"endTime":2241.2,"body":"And you would think that would mean vegan, and it definitely doesn't. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2241.92,"endTime":2245.08,"body":"So 1975, they came out with their original soy-based meat alternatives."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2245.38,"endTime":2249.2,"body":"Then 1986, they launched their chicken nuggets, which I think made them really popular."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2249.36,"endTime":2252.18,"body":"Their chicken nuggets. And we still get their chicken nuggets sometimes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2252.72,"endTime":2256.06,"body":"They're super good. That's what fueled me as a 12-year-old."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2256.18,"endTime":2258.96,"body":"They're pretty high protein. I think it's just soy isolate or something."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2259.14,"endTime":2259.88,"body":"They're super delicious."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2261.34,"endTime":2266.54,"body":"Tofurky came out in 95. And then Gardein, who also makes a bunch of fake chicken"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2266.54,"endTime":2270.88,"body":"products, came out. They were founded in 2003, started selling a lot of their products in 2009."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2271.14,"endTime":2274.12,"body":"I think Gardein is the most underrated one. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2274.34,"endTime":2276.92,"body":"Like, you hear a lot of talk about Beyond Impossible Morningstar."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2277.0,"endTime":2280.9,"body":"I think, for the most part, I like Gardein's products more than any of those."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2281.0,"endTime":2281.32,"body":"I agree."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2282.0,"endTime":2284.76,"body":"And they have some, like, seafood options. They have really good..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2285.85,"endTime":2291.65,"body":"vegan fish sticks yeah or fish fillets they're both they're they're not in fish"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2291.65,"endTime":2293.95,"body":"they don't have stick they don't have stick form like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2293.95,"endTime":2294.65,"body":"They're more like."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2294.65,"endTime":2297.83,"body":"Fillets yeah they're for grown-ups i think they should come out with a vegan"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2297.83,"endTime":2302.77,"body":"fish stick though because i mean who doesn't like those yeah so"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2302.77,"endTime":2306.21,"body":"That's kind of a walkthrough of the history of how vegan food has changed over"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2306.21,"endTime":2309.77,"body":"time and some of that is like some of that is kind of it it's become a little"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2309.77,"endTime":2313.31,"body":"more processed over time than it was originally just like the scratch and stuff"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2313.31,"endTime":2316.27,"body":"but at the same time that makes it more convenient a lot of the."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2316.27,"endTime":2319.19,"body":"Time it's more convenient and also i think the other takeaway"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2319.19,"endTime":2322.69,"body":"is that even though all of those foods exist that doesn't necessarily mean that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2322.69,"endTime":2327.61,"body":"all vegans eat those foods yeah because you can still make your own vegan meats"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2327.61,"endTime":2334.17,"body":"at home with like lesser processed ingredients like tofu or seitan or tvp and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2334.17,"endTime":2337.29,"body":"you can also make your own vegan cheeses and stuff at home with like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2338.09,"endTime":2340.69,"body":"cashews or tofu right"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2341.96,"endTime":2347.14,"body":"So now let's talk a little bit about where the stigma around the vegan processed foods come from."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2347.46,"endTime":2350.84,"body":"This didn't just come up out of nowhere. And I think a big part of it is that"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2350.84,"endTime":2355.52,"body":"like growing up, most people didn't even know what a fully vegan plate of food looked like."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2355.9,"endTime":2362.38,"body":"Yeah. The same way, like, I didn't grow up like eating at Jewish friends' houses."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2362.54,"endTime":2365.54,"body":"Yeah. So I wouldn't know necessarily what is kosher."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2365.7,"endTime":2367.7,"body":"Like, what can't you eat on a kosher diet?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2367.9,"endTime":2372.3,"body":"Yeah. And I think that's kind of similar. Like if you didn't have friends that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2372.3,"endTime":2376.36,"body":"you went over to eat at that had like fully vegan families and veganism is actually"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2376.36,"endTime":2380.04,"body":"still such a small percentage of the population that most people aren't getting exposed to that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2380.34,"endTime":2384.34,"body":"And I think also most vegans try to like find community with other vegans."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2384.5,"endTime":2388.06,"body":"So they might not even be sharing that kind of thing with their omnivore friends."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2388.24,"endTime":2391.44,"body":"And also inside of families, even maybe only like one person is vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2391.54,"endTime":2392.94,"body":"Yeah. Not even necessarily the whole family."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2393.14,"endTime":2397.7,"body":"So, yeah, I think a lot of people just don't have the context of what do vegans eat? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2397.7,"endTime":2402.26,"body":"I think there are five big things that kind of feed into the stigma in general."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2402.54,"endTime":2406.1,"body":"One of them is, like, when you go through the store, what people actually see"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2406.1,"endTime":2408.22,"body":"when they're looking at, like, the vegan substitutes. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2408.88,"endTime":2413.34,"body":"So, like, the things next to regular cheeses, you're going to have your vegan cheeses."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2413.58,"endTime":2417.2,"body":"Yeah. And then if you go to the frozen food aisle, when you're looking at things,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2417.36,"endTime":2420.98,"body":"like, next to, I don't know what kind of meats they sell in the frozen food section."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2421.62,"endTime":2425.4,"body":"But, you know, those are, you're going to see, like, your vegan hamburgers and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2425.4,"endTime":2426.44,"body":"your vegan meat alternatives."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2426.44,"endTime":2430.36,"body":"Yeah, all the things that are like literally labeled as vegan or plant-based."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2430.66,"endTime":2434.92,"body":"So you see that, you see those like engineered foods, and you see those are"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2434.92,"endTime":2437.18,"body":"the things that are labeled as vegan. And you're like, okay,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2437.28,"endTime":2438.48,"body":"I guess that's vegan food."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2438.62,"endTime":2442.66,"body":"Right. Right. But you miss all the stuff that doesn't get labeled that way,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2442.74,"endTime":2446.82,"body":"which is obviously naturally vegan, like beans, rice, oats, apples."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2447.1,"endTime":2449.5,"body":"Yeah. They don't necessarily say vegan anywhere on them."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2450.38,"endTime":2455.7,"body":"So people tend to picture what's been marketed as vegan, which is like a small process."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2455.8,"endTime":2456.28,"body":"Yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2456.42,"endTime":2462.02,"body":"It's called her subsection of like the vegan food we actually eat or of the food we actually eat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2462.22,"endTime":2465.64,"body":"Right. Because like the single ingredients aren't going to be labeled as vegan"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2465.64,"endTime":2468.68,"body":"because they're single ingredients and you're going to know if those are vegan or not. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2468.9,"endTime":2472.26,"body":"You know, like even vital wheat gluten, I don't think necessarily says in big"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2472.26,"endTime":2476.14,"body":"letters that it's vegan. Neither does TBP. It might say it on the back somewhere, but."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2476.3,"endTime":2478.18,"body":"Yeah, it doesn't really need to because it's. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2478.18,"endTime":2481.42,"body":"And it's also like not promoted as a vegan thing. Yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2481.62,"endTime":2483.86,"body":"You know, it just sits there with like other foods."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2484.08,"endTime":2487.72,"body":"Right. Like flour's also vegan. It doesn't say vegan on it. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2488.34,"endTime":2490.36,"body":"Peanut butter's vegan. Yeah. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2491.18,"endTime":2494.1,"body":"Yeah. Tons of stuff. Something else that feeds into the stigma is like your"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2494.1,"endTime":2495.04,"body":"exposure at restaurants."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2496.06,"endTime":2501.02,"body":"So, if a restaurant adds, like, one vegan option, it's almost always, like, a Beyond Burger."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2501.28,"endTime":2505.18,"body":"Yeah, it is usually almost always a Beyond Burger, which is kind of funny because"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2505.18,"endTime":2508.1,"body":"I don't even think that's necessarily what vegans want on the menu."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2508.28,"endTime":2511.04,"body":"Right. We'd rather have you make something with tofu or seitan or,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2511.2,"endTime":2513.52,"body":"like, you know, anything else."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2513.74,"endTime":2516.32,"body":"Yeah. Now, don't get me wrong. If that's the only thing on the menu, I'm going to order it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2516.36,"endTime":2520.8,"body":"Oh, it's definitely better than nothing. Yeah. Or a salad, a dressingless salad."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2521.0,"endTime":2522.88,"body":"Or the place you tried to go to that was going to have, like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2522.88,"endTime":2524.32,"body":"a bowl full of peppers or something."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2524.36,"endTime":2528.54,"body":"Yeah, exactly. Oh, man. That was crazy. And my boss was like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2528.68,"endTime":2534.78,"body":"there's a vegan option I called and it's like literally a bowl of like peppers"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2534.78,"endTime":2537.5,"body":"that you would maybe eat as an appetizer as a group."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2537.66,"endTime":2540.06,"body":"And I think they were really spicy, too. And I was like, yeah,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2540.06,"endTime":2541.8,"body":"no, I'm just I'm not going to that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2543.1,"endTime":2547.74,"body":"Another one is the marketing, you know, issues like like we were kind of talking"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2547.74,"endTime":2549.62,"body":"about beans aren't advertised as vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2549.98,"endTime":2552.26,"body":"Right. I don't even think most beans are advertised."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2552.52,"endTime":2554.22,"body":"They don't get advertised at all, really."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2554.22,"endTime":2556.32,"body":"And most whole foods don't. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2556.74,"endTime":2561.24,"body":"Right. But they are advertising the products, like, beyond oat milk, vegan cheese."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2561.46,"endTime":2566.16,"body":"Yeah. But, you know, like, nobody's advertising dry beans or advertising rice, necessarily."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2566.5,"endTime":2571.3,"body":"Yeah. They might be advertising, like, one-minute rice that you can make in"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2571.3,"endTime":2575.94,"body":"the microwave that is also vegan. But most rice is vegan anyways by nature,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2575.96,"endTime":2577.32,"body":"so they're not even leaning into that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2577.48,"endTime":2580.7,"body":"Yeah. So that public perception gets shaped by, like, the things that get advertised"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2580.7,"endTime":2583.24,"body":"to them and not what is actually eaten."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2583.68,"endTime":2588.84,"body":"Right. The only thing they know that's vegan are all the processed vegan things that they see."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2589.04,"endTime":2592.54,"body":"And also, apparently, we eat grass and rabbit food as well."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2592.88,"endTime":2596.96,"body":"Yeah, rabbit food's a big one for me. Was that just carrots?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2597.06,"endTime":2598.5,"body":"I do like carrots. Maybe I do eat carrots."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2598.5,"endTime":2602.12,"body":"I like carrots. Anyway. I do like some things that rabbits eat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2602.24,"endTime":2604.94,"body":"But that's, I wouldn't say the vegan diet. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2606.59,"endTime":2609.67,"body":"And then there's kind of the natural, quote unquote, fallacy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2609.91,"endTime":2616.43,"body":"So the idea is like a cow makes milk. Milk just goes in a glass and that's natural."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2617.21,"endTime":2617.57,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2617.91,"endTime":2621.51,"body":"Whereas you have like soy and it has to go through some factory processed,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2621.85,"endTime":2624.33,"body":"goes into a carton. It just feels more manufactured."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2625.93,"endTime":2632.09,"body":"Yeah. I think most of us know that you can't just drink it straight from the"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2632.09,"endTime":2633.85,"body":"tab if you're drinking cow's milk, right?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2634.05,"endTime":2639.89,"body":"It's not recommended. Yeah, I mean, like, the dairy supply chain we've talked"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2639.89,"endTime":2644.11,"body":"about a couple times, extremely industrial as well, high throughput,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2644.37,"endTime":2646.81,"body":"a lot of steps in between the animal and the carton."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2646.91,"endTime":2649.87,"body":"And we're going to come back to this in a minute and kind of walk through what"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2649.87,"endTime":2652.33,"body":"it actually takes to make a glass of either kind of milk."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2652.59,"endTime":2652.95,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2653.71,"endTime":2658.83,"body":"Um, and then there's kind of the, they call it like what you might think it"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2658.83,"endTime":2660.01,"body":"was like the Oreo gotcha."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2660.13,"endTime":2663.89,"body":"This is just kind of an example, but people are like, did you know Oreos are vegan?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2664.11,"endTime":2668.37,"body":"And so people then jump from like Oreos are vegan to all vegan food is junk food. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2668.51,"endTime":2671.35,"body":"Yeah. I've seen that before. It's pretty weird. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2671.71,"endTime":2677.41,"body":"So it's like, just because there is junk food that is vegan doesn't mean all junk food is vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2677.57,"endTime":2680.63,"body":"Yeah. It's like that logic problem on the standardized test."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2680.91,"endTime":2684.61,"body":"Yeah. Yeah. And then kind of for a bonus,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2684.85,"endTime":2688.21,"body":"this isn't necessarily like one of the big things that drives the stigma necessarily,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2688.21,"endTime":2692.59,"body":"but it definitely amplifies some of these other things is that there's a very"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2692.59,"endTime":2696.93,"body":"active counter messaging environment online and social media."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2697.31,"endTime":2701.39,"body":"So there's like carnivore influencers, the raw milk advocate people,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2701.73,"endTime":2703.71,"body":"dairy industry ad campaigns in general."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2703.89,"endTime":2708.43,"body":"And then like all these lawsuits over like labeling plant based milks, stuff like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2708.43,"endTime":2711.23,"body":"It kind of makes you feel like if they're arguing over not being able to call"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2711.23,"endTime":2713.73,"body":"something a plant-based milk, are they hiding something? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2714.09,"endTime":2717.55,"body":"Like it just gives the public a bad perception of vegan foods in general."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2717.77,"endTime":2723.11,"body":"Right. And then also I will add on to that is you also have the whole food plant-based"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2723.11,"endTime":2726.83,"body":"crowd that likes to crap on vegans who don't eat a whole food plant-based diet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2727.07,"endTime":2730.53,"body":"Yeah. And they actually do a lot more harm than even some of the carnivore people"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2730.53,"endTime":2734.39,"body":"because they're out there spreading it and coming from a place of like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2734.65,"endTime":2736.87,"body":"I know things because I eat a vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2737.05,"endTime":2739.95,"body":"That's unfortunate. I would say, like, a whole food plant-based diet is probably"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2739.95,"endTime":2742.95,"body":"the healthier version, but I don't know why we have to fight about that necessarily."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2743.29,"endTime":2745.11,"body":"Like, that's a health issue. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2745.49,"endTime":2748.41,"body":"And it doesn't also, it doesn't mean that anyone that doesn't eat a whole food"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2748.41,"endTime":2751.61,"body":"plant-based diet is necessarily a junk food vegan. Right, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2751.61,"endTime":2752.35,"body":"Because you can have balance."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2752.53,"endTime":2752.81,"body":"Exactly."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2753.36,"endTime":2756.78,"body":"Also, they're like the wellness grifter types. They want you to buy their book"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2756.78,"endTime":2760.36,"body":"to learn all the things the government is hiding from you or trying to poison you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2760.88,"endTime":2765.86,"body":"It's like the microwaves kill all nutrient people that I keep getting on my bean bowl video."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2765.96,"endTime":2767.36,"body":"That's got a real resurgence lately."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2767.66,"endTime":2771.22,"body":"I'm going to lose my fucking mind if I have to respond to one more person that's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2771.22,"endTime":2773.92,"body":"like, you shouldn't be using a microwave. It kills everything."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2773.92,"endTime":2775.62,"body":"You're basically eating crap."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2776.96,"endTime":2777.32,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2780.76,"endTime":2785.08,"body":"Yeah, people just really like these sensationalized soundbites or like repeatable"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2785.08,"endTime":2786.58,"body":"lines or memes or whatever."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2786.84,"endTime":2790.64,"body":"Yeah, absolutely. And then if you say them enough and if enough people say them"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2790.64,"endTime":2793.4,"body":"enough, they start feeling like there's truth to it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2793.48,"endTime":2794.98,"body":"But then you can't actually find"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2794.98,"endTime":2798.86,"body":"any kind of legitimate article that shows evidence of a lot of this stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2799.02,"endTime":2800.88,"body":"Well, yeah, you can't be bothered by the facts."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2801.82,"endTime":2804.92,"body":"What is it? Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2805.04,"endTime":2806.9,"body":"Yeah, exactly. That happens a lot."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2806.9,"endTime":2807.52,"body":"Oh, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2808.06,"endTime":2812.52,"body":"Yeah. And then there's also a little bit of an element of kind of some like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2812.66,"endTime":2817.14,"body":"maybe not intentional all the time, but some racial discrimination going on. Oh, absolutely."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2817.14,"endTime":2821.3,"body":"I think especially if you're American or maybe even in Europe. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2821.98,"endTime":2825.28,"body":"Yeah. I mean, even though tofu and seitan have been around for a long time,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2825.32,"endTime":2829.12,"body":"they're still seen as like, quote unquote, unusual because like the pilgrims"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2829.12,"endTime":2829.9,"body":"didn't eat them or something."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2830.02,"endTime":2834.66,"body":"Yeah, like the American pilgrims didn't eat those. So they obviously don't exist."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2834.92,"endTime":2835.12,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2835.66,"endTime":2840.82,"body":"Yeah. And it's just like, I think I can only speak to the U.S."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2840.92,"endTime":2844.72,"body":"experience, but it seems like the vast majority of people that live here have"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2844.72,"endTime":2849.68,"body":"a very limited historical understanding of what people in other cultures eat in general. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2850.04,"endTime":2856.18,"body":"And like so much so that, OK, this this might be like a niche experience,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2856.18,"endTime":2858.16,"body":"but I feel like I've seen people."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2858.38,"endTime":2862.32,"body":"It's like, oh, we're going to go to an Ethiopian restaurant tonight. We're so brave."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2862.5,"endTime":2862.92,"body":"Oh, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2862.92,"endTime":2866.5,"body":"We're so brave for trying out this new food, and it's like, this food that..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2866.88,"endTime":2872.34,"body":"the Ethiopian people have been eating for centuries like yeah super brave"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2872.34,"endTime":2875.2,"body":"I think maybe next time somebody thinks about saying something like that they"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2875.2,"endTime":2877.7,"body":"should think about how they might feel if they said it in a room full of people"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2877.7,"endTime":2879.08,"body":"who eat that every day right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2879.08,"endTime":2882.42,"body":"Yeah yeah it's it's pretty weird in that context you know"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2882.42,"endTime":2886.3,"body":"It'd be like somebody coming here and being like I'm gonna go get some french"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2886.3,"endTime":2888.44,"body":"fries I'm so brave so brave."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2888.44,"endTime":2893.06,"body":"I ate a I ate an American hamburger you actually might be brave if you're eating an american hamburger"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2893.06,"endTime":2896.48,"body":"Yeah yeah and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2896.48,"endTime":2900.36,"body":"then you know some people just i've seen this a lot growing up kind of in the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2900.36,"endTime":2904.24,"body":"country like some people will entirely dismiss quote-unquote ethnic food whatever"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2904.24,"endTime":2908.44,"body":"the hell that's supposed to mean which is obviously ridiculous like is is that"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2908.44,"endTime":2913.3,"body":"food weird or is it just normal everyday food for millions of people or are."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2913.3,"endTime":2916.26,"body":"You just very limited on what you know about the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2916.26,"endTime":2919.6,"body":"World yeah and it's like it's weird because you're saying like when you say"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2919.6,"endTime":2922.78,"body":"i don't like ethnic food you're talking about like food from multiple continents"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2922.78,"endTime":2926.98,"body":"that aren't even the same how can you how can you say like you don't like this"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2926.98,"endTime":2930.72,"body":"whole culture's food and this whole culture's food and this whole how yeah what"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2930.72,"endTime":2933.8,"body":"do you mean what is the spice you don't like i don't understand honestly."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2933.8,"endTime":2936.84,"body":"The way i hear when i've heard that what"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2936.84,"endTime":2940.9,"body":"i am hearing is i don't like food that's not white people food yeah whether"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2940.9,"endTime":2947.54,"body":"that means americanized food or like italian food seems fine you know like yeah"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2947.54,"endTime":2951.6,"body":"you know what i mean it's more of like anything that doesn't feel like it would"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2951.6,"endTime":2954.74,"body":"be in an american restaurant is quote-unquote ethnic"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2954.74,"endTime":2959.66,"body":"Food yeah yeah our uh our cheeseburgers are the height of culinary masterpiece"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2959.66,"endTime":2963.52,"body":"i guess i don't know yeah i've always wondered when you tell somebody that you're"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2963.52,"endTime":2967.02,"body":"vegan what do they assume that your fridge looks like yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2967.02,"endTime":2971.74,"body":"I i feel that most omnivores don't have a good general idea of that at"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2971.74,"endTime":2972.9,"body":"All yeah and."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2972.9,"endTime":2976.56,"body":"I think you know i've had a lot of conversations where i try to explain that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2976.56,"endTime":2981.38,"body":"because there are some people that will ask in a genuine way of like what what"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient 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All you eat is salad."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2994.08,"endTime":2996.6,"body":"Yeah, not everybody's having that conversation in good faith."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2996.84,"endTime":3000.64,"body":"Yeah. Pick your battles. I mean, I think, though, if you're talking to someone"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3000.64,"endTime":3004.18,"body":"who is genuinely curious as to what vegans eat, it's a good time to educate."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3004.5,"endTime":3004.88,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3005.06,"endTime":3008.08,"body":"Because maybe they're curious because they're interested in trying some of that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3008.36,"endTime":3011.5,"body":"Yeah. And I think, you know, once you think through some of these things and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3011.5,"endTime":3015.48,"body":"you start to see the picture form on why the stigma exists, it makes it a lot"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3015.48,"endTime":3020.74,"body":"easier to kind of correct and reframe some of those misinterpretations. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3021.0,"endTime":3025.7,"body":"Like, where is this misinformation coming from? Yeah. And once you know that,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3025.84,"endTime":3027.66,"body":"you can kind of have a better conversation."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3028.02,"endTime":3031.94,"body":"Yeah. So I think, you know, as part of trying to change that frame,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3031.96,"endTime":3039.12,"body":"I would say, first of all, like, vegan food just describes what ingredients are not used."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3039.3,"endTime":3043.56,"body":"Yeah. And not what ingredients are added. So, like, vegan food doesn't really exist."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3043.62,"endTime":3047.5,"body":"There's no magical vegan ingredient. You're just subtracting the animal products."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3047.5,"endTime":3050.58,"body":"Yeah, I think that's a really good way to look at it, too, because..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3051.65,"endTime":3056.69,"body":"I feel like what I've seen from omnivores is they act as if vegan food,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3056.69,"endTime":3059.79,"body":"you won't have, like, any options. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3060.01,"endTime":3064.33,"body":"Like, it's incredibly limiting what you can eat, but you're really only removing"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3064.33,"endTime":3066.71,"body":"a handful of things you don't eat anymore."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3066.71,"endTime":3070.41,"body":"Yeah, I mean, then those things do, you know, to their credit,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3070.59,"endTime":3073.99,"body":"I guess, those little things are in a lot of packaged foods or whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3074.11,"endTime":3076.03,"body":"Like, milk finds its way into a lot of stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3076.19,"endTime":3079.95,"body":"Egg finds its way into a lot of stuff. Yeah. But as far as just like food ingredients,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3080.41,"endTime":3084.81,"body":"you're only really taking away a handful and almost all those have a replacement"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3084.81,"endTime":3087.19,"body":"that would even make the recipe almost exactly the same. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3087.59,"endTime":3090.81,"body":"So, I mean, and, you know, an example is like you wouldn't look at a potato"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3090.81,"endTime":3092.63,"body":"and say a potato is vegan food."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3093.09,"endTime":3098.01,"body":"No, I wouldn't think so. Although some people will say that kind of shit."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3098.45,"endTime":3101.83,"body":"I've heard people be like, well, I pretty much eat vegan until lunch."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3102.63,"endTime":3107.35,"body":"And I'm like, so you eat cereal with oat milk for breakfast. Okay."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3107.59,"endTime":3108.23,"body":"Intermittent vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3108.79,"endTime":3112.85,"body":"All right. That's not really a thing, but all right. Yeah. Thank you for not"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3112.85,"endTime":3114.37,"body":"eating animals in the morning. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3114.95,"endTime":3118.41,"body":"Yeah. So, I mean, like apples, vegan. Apples have always been vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3118.69,"endTime":3122.49,"body":"You know, things like rice, beans, oats, potatoes, most of the entire produce"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3122.49,"endTime":3126.01,"body":"section, most of the bulk bins you see in the grocery store,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3126.27,"endTime":3129.03,"body":"most of the bread aisle, all that stuff's just vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3129.19,"endTime":3130.61,"body":"And you're like, no matter what"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3130.61,"endTime":3132.81,"body":"your diet is, you're eating all that stuff throughout your life. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3132.91,"endTime":3135.59,"body":"You're already eating so much vegan food as an omnivore."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3135.73,"endTime":3136.23,"body":"Quote unquote vegan food."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3136.23,"endTime":3138.71,"body":"Yeah, it just doesn't have the vegan labels left on it. Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3138.77,"endTime":3139.77,"body":"right. Because it's obvious."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3140.07,"endTime":3143.63,"body":"Yeah. So some of the vegan staples, like the ingredients that are inside them,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3143.69,"endTime":3146.53,"body":"like we have oats. Oats are just oats. It's one ingredient. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3146.95,"endTime":3151.25,"body":"Something like beans or lentils, typically just the beans or the lentils."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3151.41,"endTime":3153.05,"body":"Sometimes it's got some salt and water in a can."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3153.39,"endTime":3155.03,"body":"Right. If it's canned instead of dried."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3155.23,"endTime":3158.09,"body":"Yeah. And then even something like tofu, which some people think of as like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3158.09,"endTime":3160.33,"body":"some lab experiment sometimes for some reason."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3160.65,"endTime":3163.91,"body":"It's just typically like three ingredients. It's got soy, water,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3164.19,"endTime":3166.25,"body":"and a coagulant. Right. The same as like a cheese."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3166.41,"endTime":3169.41,"body":"Basically. Yeah, exactly. If you can make it in your kitchen,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3169.41,"endTime":3173.51,"body":"it's probably not super processed. And you can definitely make tofu in your kitchen. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3174.66,"endTime":3177.0,"body":"And then even some of the weirder stuff that people."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3177.2,"endTime":3178.3,"body":"Quote, unquote, weird."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3178.64,"endTime":3181.88,"body":"Yeah, the weirder stuff that people raise their eyebrows at is like seitan,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3182.26,"endTime":3184.38,"body":"which is just, like you said earlier, weak gluten and water."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3184.56,"endTime":3187.0,"body":"Or even flour and water. And then use the wash method."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3187.28,"endTime":3189.86,"body":"Yeah. TBP is just defatted soy flour."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3190.08,"endTime":3192.76,"body":"Yeah, it's one ingredient. That shocks people. Oh, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3192.92,"endTime":3195.6,"body":"Like, I have a lot of people just constantly asking me what TBP is."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3195.64,"endTime":3199.92,"body":"And I'm like, it's literally defatted soy flour. And they're like, it's just soy flour."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3200.32,"endTime":3201.86,"body":"Yeah, no, it's just soy flour."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3201.86,"endTime":3205.9,"body":"That's the whole thing. They look processed because they look a little unusual"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3205.9,"endTime":3208.58,"body":"to you, but it's just like one to two ingredients. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3208.72,"endTime":3211.5,"body":"Just because you don't know what something is doesn't automatically mean it's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3211.5,"endTime":3213.0,"body":"highly processed. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3213.26,"endTime":3218.2,"body":"So we have an example, like a kitchen test. What does it actually take to make milk?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3218.64,"endTime":3219.54,"body":"Right. Interesting."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3219.78,"endTime":3223.2,"body":"So comparing what it takes to make like a dairy milk versus a plant milk."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3223.92,"endTime":3225.52,"body":"I know which one I think is easier."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3227.18,"endTime":3230.8,"body":"So dairy milk starts, by the way, with you have to have a cow."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3231.26,"endTime":3235.16,"body":"You have to have a female cow. And you also have to impregnate her over and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3235.16,"endTime":3239.62,"body":"over and over again because only cows that give birth all like produce milk."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3240.06,"endTime":3243.94,"body":"And then a pregnant cow has a calf. So you have to deal with the calf every"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3243.94,"endTime":3245.06,"body":"time you get the cow pregnant."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3245.38,"endTime":3250.8,"body":"Yeah. And the calf is going to want to eat the milk. So you got to figure out"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3250.8,"endTime":3252.38,"body":"something else to feed the baby calf."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3252.54,"endTime":3252.76,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3252.76,"endTime":3256.08,"body":"Because you're trying to sell the milk or you're trying to eat the milk yourself."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3256.44,"endTime":3260.5,"body":"Yeah. And so after you figure out the cow situation, you have industrial milking"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3260.5,"endTime":3263.3,"body":"equipment, refrigerated transport to move the milk."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3263.72,"endTime":3267.04,"body":"You have pasteurization, which is like you have to be able to heat the milk"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3267.04,"endTime":3269.68,"body":"at a high temperature. Right. Homogenization."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3269.68,"endTime":3273.78,"body":"Although there's a big resurgence of non-pasteurized cow milk."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3273.92,"endTime":3277.44,"body":"Yeah, I would not recommend that. You know, I've seen, this is kind of a funny side tangent."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3277.64,"endTime":3282.58,"body":"I've seen a lot of people that are like, just buy raw milk and boil it. It's like, okay."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3282.84,"endTime":3283.88,"body":"Casteurize it at home."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3284.04,"endTime":3284.26,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3285.26,"endTime":3285.62,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3287.6,"endTime":3291.02,"body":"Anyway, so just to go to the show, like, people don't really know what they're saying a lot."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3291.04,"endTime":3293.0,"body":"They don't know what goes into making their own food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3293.16,"endTime":3297.56,"body":"Yeah. And then homogenization, where it's like forced milk under high pressure"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3297.56,"endTime":3300.2,"body":"through a tiny valve to break up little fat pieces inside it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3301.68,"endTime":3303.82,"body":"Standardization, which is where you skim the cream off the milk,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3304.02,"endTime":3307.34,"body":"remix it to try to get, like, 1%, 2% whole milk, depending on what kind of you want. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3307.66,"endTime":3311.18,"body":"Not full fat milk. Yeah. Like, which is what comes out of a cow."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3311.42,"endTime":3312.88,"body":"Yeah. And most people aren't buying that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3313.08,"endTime":3315.88,"body":"Yeah. Fortification, where you add vitamins to the milk."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3316.04,"endTime":3318.3,"body":"Yeah, which happens for pretty much anything on the shelf."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3318.48,"endTime":3320.98,"body":"Yep. And then, like, refrigerated packaging and distribution."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3321.38,"endTime":3323.9,"body":"Yeah. So do you think you could do that in your kitchen?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3324.14,"endTime":3327.88,"body":"I don't think so. I could probably do the pasteurization part, I guess."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3328.06,"endTime":3329.44,"body":"What if you had a cow?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3330.44,"endTime":3332.48,"body":"Man, I don't know. It still seems like it'd be a lot of work."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3332.8,"endTime":3333.16,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3334.49,"endTime":3338.37,"body":"A long process, really. Like, how long does a cow take to give birth?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3338.71,"endTime":3343.05,"body":"Oh, wow. Yeah. You have to buy the cow when it's a baby or when it's an adult."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3343.33,"endTime":3344.83,"body":"Yeah, there's a lot that goes into it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3344.91,"endTime":3349.15,"body":"What does your HOA think about your cow? I don't know. And then,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3349.35,"endTime":3353.61,"body":"so for oat milk, if we're trying to make it at home, we soak a cup of oats in"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3353.61,"endTime":3355.93,"body":"water for like 30 minutes. Yeah. That seems pretty doable."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3356.83,"endTime":3360.17,"body":"Blend with a couple cups of water for like 30 seconds. Just a blender."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3360.43,"endTime":3362.93,"body":"So, so far we're up to oats, water, blender."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3363.31,"endTime":3365.29,"body":"Oh, man. I don't know. Oh, that seems pretty hard. Okay."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3365.55,"endTime":3368.63,"body":"And then we strain it through a nut milk bag or a cheesecloth."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3368.67,"endTime":3370.27,"body":"So we've got to get a hold of a cheesecloth."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3370.43,"endTime":3372.07,"body":"Oh, well, those are really hard to find."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3372.25,"endTime":3375.33,"body":"And then we're done. We can add some salt or sugar if we want."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3375.77,"endTime":3379.91,"body":"Wow. Okay. Well, I don't know. I feel like the oat milk seems easier."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3380.27,"endTime":3384.63,"body":"It takes about 10 minutes. I mean, yeah, you can make oat milk like right now"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3384.63,"endTime":3387.69,"body":"in 10 minutes in your kitchen, basically, if you have some oats and water in a blender."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3388.97,"endTime":3392.95,"body":"You can't really do that in your kitchen for dairy milk unless you have a cow"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3392.95,"endTime":3397.91,"body":"and you have a pasteurizer or boil it or whatever yeah so which one which one"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3397.91,"endTime":3400.67,"body":"of those even if you think you can make the cow milk in your kitchen which one"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3400.67,"endTime":3402.39,"body":"of those sounds more processed to you um."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3402.39,"endTime":3403.73,"body":"Definitely the cow"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3403.73,"endTime":3404.97,"body":"Milk yeah and."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3404.97,"endTime":3408.11,"body":"You know with oat milk it's like you can make it even easier by buying one of"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3408.11,"endTime":3412.15,"body":"those uh like nut milk machines or whatever yeah the plant-based milk machines"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3412.15,"endTime":3416.67,"body":"that you just like basically toss in water and whatever and it does the whole shebang for you"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3416.67,"endTime":3421.05,"body":"So yeah now i will say if you grew up on a farm you're probably thinking right"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3421.05,"endTime":3425.37,"body":"now that uh i'm an idiot and people have been making milk at home for a long"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3425.37,"endTime":3429.95,"body":"ass time right and that's true but the milk you make at home is very different"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3429.95,"endTime":3433.21,"body":"from the milk that ends up on the shelf whereas the oat milk we can make at"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3433.21,"endTime":3435.87,"body":"home is pretty much the same as the milk you get on the shelf yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3435.87,"endTime":3440.65,"body":"It might just have some like stabilizing ingredients right to make it more shelf stable for longer"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3440.65,"endTime":3443.37,"body":"Yeah which we could also add here if we want to be able to keep it in the fridge longer yeah,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3444.25,"endTime":3449.63,"body":"So, yeah. And then, again, you still need a cow and everything that comes along with having a cow."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3450.05,"endTime":3455.33,"body":"Yeah. And then I also want to bring up that the raising of a cow also involves"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3455.33,"endTime":3459.81,"body":"like antibiotics and food, fortified things."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3459.99,"endTime":3462.67,"body":"What's the total cost of ownership of your gallon of milk?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3462.93,"endTime":3464.81,"body":"Yeah, quite high."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3465.53,"endTime":3467.31,"body":"It's a lot easier to take care of a bag of oats."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3467.31,"endTime":3472.09,"body":"Yeah, but even like the current cow or like milk manufacturing process of like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3472.09,"endTime":3477.29,"body":"how they what they do with dairy cows is also not like supernatural, you know,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3477.39,"endTime":3480.95,"body":"because there's like antibiotics and other stuff that they're feeding the cows"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3480.95,"endTime":3483.39,"body":"that wasn't normally done in nature."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3483.71,"endTime":3487.75,"body":"You know, if you're trying to say natural, definitely how we're making dairy"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3487.75,"endTime":3492.03,"body":"milk right now is certainly not natural how it used to be 100 years ago."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3492.03,"endTime":3494.77,"body":"Yeah, I mean, this example was kind of just like if you wanted to make milk"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3494.77,"endTime":3498.37,"body":"for yourself at home a lot, if you go to like the industrial milk industry,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3498.51,"endTime":3499.69,"body":"that's like a whole different ballgame."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3499.99,"endTime":3501.33,"body":"Right, yeah, you want to talk about processed."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3501.65,"endTime":3505.65,"body":"And then, you know, as far as cheeses go, the commercial plant cheeses people"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3505.65,"endTime":3509.43,"body":"complain about, like diet and veal life, those are only highly processed because"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3509.43,"endTime":3513.27,"body":"they're made to mimic the properties of dairy cheese, like the melty and stretchiness."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3513.59,"endTime":3516.57,"body":"Because we can also make cheese at home very easily. Oh, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3516.57,"endTime":3518.59,"body":"Now, I know you can make dairy cheese at home fairly easily,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3518.59,"endTime":3522.19,"body":"too, but the reason that they're so processed in the store brands is because"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3522.19,"endTime":3524.79,"body":"they're trying to mimic the store brand dairy cheese."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3525.17,"endTime":3527.43,"body":"Right. Yeah, they're trying to be a one-to-one replacement."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3527.81,"endTime":3528.03,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3528.67,"endTime":3532.01,"body":"But, yeah, I mean, if you're making your own cheeses at home,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3532.07,"endTime":3536.91,"body":"you can do it with, like, soy milk or tofu or blended cashews. There's a lot of ways."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3537.03,"endTime":3540.67,"body":"You can add stretchiness with tabioca flour, like, very minimal ingredients."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3541.05,"endTime":3541.25,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3542.39,"endTime":3545.05,"body":"Yeah, I mean, homemade cashew cheese has like five ingredients."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3545.47,"endTime":3547.33,"body":"Daya has more ingredients, but both are vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3547.57,"endTime":3551.71,"body":"And neither is, quote unquote, vegan food in the magical ingredient sense of the word."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3552.11,"endTime":3557.09,"body":"Yeah. And I think the other thing is like what vegans eat in general is like a huge spectrum."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3557.27,"endTime":3560.95,"body":"Like you have, since it's not a health movement, it's an animal movement."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3561.21,"endTime":3567.49,"body":"You have people on all ends of the spectrum from like whole food plant based to junk food vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3567.49,"endTime":3572.49,"body":"And so, like, just blatantly sedating that all vegan food is processed is a"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3572.49,"endTime":3576.41,"body":"really weird take because not all vegans are junk food vegans."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3576.57,"endTime":3579.81,"body":"Right. Just like all Americans are not all junk food Americans."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3580.65,"endTime":3583.29,"body":"Yeah. Yeah, and we can kind of back this up with a little bit of data."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3583.45,"endTime":3585.53,"body":"This isn't a deep dive, just some basic terminology."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3585.59,"endTime":3590.23,"body":"But the actual definition of levels of processed food comes from a classification"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3590.23,"endTime":3592.59,"body":"system called NOVA that's been around for a few decades."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3593.27,"endTime":3597.21,"body":"Basically, it has group one, which is unprocessed or minimally processed,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3597.21,"endTime":3599.03,"body":"like apples, oats, and dry beans."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3599.65,"endTime":3603.11,"body":"It has group two, which is considered culinary ingredients, so things you add"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3603.11,"endTime":3605.75,"body":"to food, like salt, sugar, oil, things like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3606.41,"endTime":3610.35,"body":"It has group three, which is processed food, and sometimes you'll see this is"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3610.35,"endTime":3611.39,"body":"considered minimally processed."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3611.67,"endTime":3614.89,"body":"This is, okay, this is kind of interesting. The oil is considered a culinary"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3614.89,"endTime":3616.25,"body":"ingredient and not processed?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3616.53,"endTime":3617.31,"body":"Yeah, technically."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3617.31,"endTime":3620.67,"body":"That's interesting because, so when I was looking up how TVP is made,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3621.23,"endTime":3626.21,"body":"soybean oil is made in the exact same way that TVP is made because they're one in the same."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3626.41,"endTime":3628.87,"body":"Yeah. Basically processed. So, that's interesting."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3629.05,"endTime":3632.35,"body":"I will say there are a lot of people kind of putting out papers and stuff saying"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3632.35,"endTime":3635.03,"body":"we need to rethink NOVA in general, the classification system."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3635.17,"endTime":3636.67,"body":"But this is how it is right now."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3637.89,"endTime":3641.31,"body":"Then the group three, which is processed or sometimes referred to as minimally"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3641.31,"endTime":3644.05,"body":"processed, is stuff like canned beans, bread, and tofu."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3645.71,"endTime":3648.83,"body":"Yeah, things that you could make at home, but you're buying for,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3648.87,"endTime":3650.65,"body":"like, a more convenienced option."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3650.79,"endTime":3652.91,"body":"And that's kind of how they define it. There's a longer definition,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3652.93,"endTime":3656.21,"body":"but it's basically like if you could make it in your kitchen with ingredients,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3656.21,"endTime":3658.53,"body":"you can get commonly. Basically, it's like a process."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3658.63,"endTime":3658.83,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3659.37,"endTime":3663.57,"body":"And then there's group four ultra-processed food, which you'll see abbreviated as UPF online a lot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3664.17,"endTime":3667.49,"body":"And that is, like, industrial formulations with ingredients you don't have in"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3667.49,"endTime":3669.15,"body":"your kitchen. It goes through some industrial process."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3669.23,"endTime":3672.93,"body":"Yeah, so some examples of kind of the combinations here. So vegan ultra-processed"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3672.93,"endTime":3675.61,"body":"foods would be like Oreos or Beyond Burger or something like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3675.61,"endTime":3676.99,"body":"Or maybe vegan cheeses."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3677.19,"endTime":3677.71,"body":"Yeah, vegan cheeses."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3677.77,"endTime":3682.57,"body":"Or vegan meat alternatives. Yeah. That aren't like seitan or tofu or tempeh."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3683.31,"endTime":3686.99,"body":"Yeah. And then some animal-based ultra-processed foods are like hot dogs,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3687.21,"endTime":3691.61,"body":"deli meats, processed cheese again, fast food nuggets, and breakfast sandwiches."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3691.85,"endTime":3696.49,"body":"So basically the equivalence of what you're eating over here on the plant-based side."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3696.65,"endTime":3696.91,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3697.49,"endTime":3703.47,"body":"So, like, plant-based cheeses are highly processed and so are dairy cheeses. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3704.61,"endTime":3708.75,"body":"So, vegan meat alternatives are highly processed, but also so are deli meats"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3708.75,"endTime":3710.13,"body":"and fast food chicken nuggets."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3710.37,"endTime":3710.63,"body":"Exactly."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3711.05,"endTime":3713.01,"body":"So, same, same. Right. Okay."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3714.25,"endTime":3717.09,"body":"And then, so if we go look at vegan minimally processed stuff,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3717.23,"endTime":3720.25,"body":"that's, again, like apples, oats, lentils, tofu, stuff like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3720.41,"endTime":3723.03,"body":"And then animal products that are minimally processed would be,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3723.13,"endTime":3725.99,"body":"like, chicken breast, fish, plain Greek yogurt, something like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3725.99,"endTime":3729.63,"body":"So when somebody says vegan food is processed, they're actually confusing two"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3729.63,"endTime":3732.99,"body":"entirely separate things because it could be like a food that's suitable for"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3732.99,"endTime":3736.87,"body":"vegans and it can be either processed, not processed, whatever,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3737.23,"endTime":3738.71,"body":"just like all the animal waste products."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3739.09,"endTime":3742.31,"body":"I also have a feeling that most people that are saying this wouldn't consider"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3742.31,"endTime":3744.61,"body":"dairy cheese to be highly processed."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3744.97,"endTime":3745.43,"body":"Yeah, well."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3745.93,"endTime":3749.05,"body":"You know what I mean? Yeah. Because I guess what I've always found interesting"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3749.05,"endTime":3751.89,"body":"is the people that are saying this don't even know how their own food is made."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3752.05,"endTime":3754.13,"body":"Yeah. But then they're like picking apart vegan food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3754.13,"endTime":3757.19,"body":"Yeah, I think it's similar to how a lot of people ask vegans how they get their"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3757.19,"endTime":3759.23,"body":"protein when they don't even know how much protein they get."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3759.43,"endTime":3761.49,"body":"Yeah. So, yeah, there's a definite issue there."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3762.54,"endTime":3765.96,"body":"So, I guess the question is, are vegans eating ultra-processed food?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3766.22,"endTime":3769.46,"body":"And the answer is, yeah, the same way everybody's eating ultra-processed food"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3769.46,"endTime":3772.38,"body":"because our food system is full of it. Right. Whether you're vegan or not."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3773.32,"endTime":3776.66,"body":"Vegans aren't a special case in either direction here. And in fact,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3776.82,"endTime":3780.76,"body":"the average person on the standard American diet gets a little more than half"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3780.76,"endTime":3785.36,"body":"at 57.9% of their daily calories from ultra-processed foods."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3785.56,"endTime":3786.62,"body":"Wow. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3786.86,"endTime":3789.38,"body":"So, vegans are not the only ones with a processed food problem."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3789.66,"endTime":3794.22,"body":"Yeah. So, some of the things that do kind of ring true out of this stigma or"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3794.22,"endTime":3796.7,"body":"this criticism is that vegan junk food does exist."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3796.98,"endTime":3800.04,"body":"Lots of vegan junk food exists, and we're not going to pretend otherwise."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3800.28,"endTime":3804.64,"body":"I will say more omnivore junk food exists than vegan junk food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3804.68,"endTime":3807.28,"body":"Oh, absolutely. And there's a lot of junk food you can't have if you're trying"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3807.28,"endTime":3808.46,"body":"to stick to a vegan diet. Oh, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3808.54,"endTime":3811.74,"body":"I mean, there were so many of my favorite junk foods that I had to give up when I went vegan. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3812.06,"endTime":3816.0,"body":"And also, there seems to be a tendency to make a natural connection between"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3816.0,"endTime":3819.66,"body":"veganism and health food or health in general."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3819.66,"endTime":3822.88,"body":"I think that's because of the plant-based people and then the vegan people."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3823.14,"endTime":3824.42,"body":"They get conflated a lot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3824.62,"endTime":3828.76,"body":"Yeah. So being vegan is not automatically related to being healthy any more"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3828.76,"endTime":3829.86,"body":"than not being a vegan is."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3830.02,"endTime":3834.22,"body":"And there are a lot of, maybe even the majority of vegans go vegan and like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3834.22,"endTime":3837.3,"body":"don't really have any consideration for is this healthier or is this not healthy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3837.32,"endTime":3838.62,"body":"That's not why they went vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3838.74,"endTime":3842.82,"body":"They're probably eating the same way they did in terms of a mix of junk food"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3842.82,"endTime":3845.8,"body":"and non-processed foods as they did when they weren't a vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3846.0,"endTime":3851.14,"body":"Yeah. Yeah, I do think, OK, one of my main issues in general is that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3852.98,"endTime":3856.16,"body":"there's like this separation between plant-based and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3856.16,"endTime":3859.24,"body":"vegans and like vegans will tell you we're not whole food plant-based people"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3859.24,"endTime":3862.92,"body":"and whole food plant-based people will hopefully say they don't call themselves"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3862.92,"endTime":3867.38,"body":"vegan but sometimes they do and i mean i'm not saying that vegans can also be"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3867.38,"endTime":3871.64,"body":"whole food plant-based i'm specifically talking about vegans who are vegan for"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3871.64,"endTime":3876.16,"body":"the animal versus plant-based people who are plant-based for their own health"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3876.16,"endTime":3877.96,"body":"and not animal rights right"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3877.96,"endTime":3880.92,"body":"They might not even be vegan. They just eat a whole food plant-based diet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3881.18,"endTime":3884.42,"body":"Right. Not to say that vegans can't also eat a whole food plant-based diet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3884.44,"endTime":3887.7,"body":"It's just that they're usually a little more particular when they're talking"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3887.7,"endTime":3889.58,"body":"about it to not confuse people."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3889.78,"endTime":3892.68,"body":"Yeah. People get pretty fast and loose with the term plant-based these days."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3892.84,"endTime":3895.72,"body":"Plant-based diet can also mean like I usually only eat plants."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3895.72,"endTime":3897.4,"body":"Yeah. But sometimes I still eat animal products."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3897.6,"endTime":3902.3,"body":"I've met people who say they're plant-based that I see eating chicken at work, lunch and learn."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3902.52,"endTime":3906.54,"body":"So you know what I mean? like a very loose term. And I think it becomes incredibly"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3906.54,"endTime":3910.12,"body":"confusing for an omnivore because they don't understand the difference between the two."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3910.5,"endTime":3914.16,"body":"And even like whole food plant-based people who shouldn't be calling themselves"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3914.16,"endTime":3917.78,"body":"vegans because they don't care about animal rights are over there calling themselves vegans."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3918.04,"endTime":3922.78,"body":"And then, so I think what confuses a lot of omnivores is they start thinking"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3922.78,"endTime":3926.48,"body":"that a vegan diet, people are choosing a vegan diet because it's healthier."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3926.7,"endTime":3930.3,"body":"And then I think then they start picking apart shit about a vegan diet that's not healthy."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3930.4,"endTime":3933.36,"body":"Exactly. And none of that would even come up if the plant-based people would"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3933.36,"endTime":3935.16,"body":"stop calling themselves fucking vegans. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3935.68,"endTime":3940.54,"body":"Just call yourself plant-based. It's totally cool. We like you that you don't eat animals. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3940.92,"endTime":3944.4,"body":"You know, obviously, you know, a lot of the stuff we put out is to try to be"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3944.4,"endTime":3947.84,"body":"on the healthier side of the food and, you know, the lifestyle and stuff like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3947.98,"endTime":3951.02,"body":"But, yeah, people will post something that's like, here's my vegan food online."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3951.08,"endTime":3953.64,"body":"And people will be like, oh, that's processed junk. And they're like, okay."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3954.36,"endTime":3956.3,"body":"And? What does that have to do with anything? It's delicious."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3956.3,"endTime":3960.86,"body":"But then they're also seeing posts from plant based people who were like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3960.98,"endTime":3962.96,"body":"look how healthy I got on a vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3963.26,"endTime":3967.26,"body":"And it's like, and then you'll ask them, like, are you a vegan for the animals?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3967.26,"endTime":3969.24,"body":"And they'll say, no, I'm a vegan for my own health."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3969.4,"endTime":3973.02,"body":"And it's like, well, that's where the confusion lies, because veganism isn't"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3973.02,"endTime":3974.02,"body":"a human health movement."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3974.75,"endTime":3979.01,"body":"It's an animal liberation movement. So, like, getting those terms right in our"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3979.01,"endTime":3982.89,"body":"own communities is really helpful to not cause confusion in other communities."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3983.17,"endTime":3986.79,"body":"Yeah, I agree. I feel like a lot of these conversations could go away if people"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3986.79,"endTime":3988.53,"body":"started labeling themselves appropriately."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3989.03,"endTime":3993.17,"body":"Yeah. And just explaining things better to omnivores."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3993.49,"endTime":3997.01,"body":"Yeah. Yeah, so some of the categories of vegan processed food are,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3997.05,"endTime":4000.81,"body":"like, the mock meats, like, Beyond Impossible, Tofurky. We've talked about those."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4001.03,"endTime":4004.19,"body":"The vegan cheeses, like, Daiya, Veo Life, the ones we mentioned before."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4004.77,"endTime":4008.65,"body":"Vegan ice cream and desserts, those are processed, obviously, heavily processed."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4008.79,"endTime":4009.85,"body":"Sugar omnivore ones."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4010.25,"endTime":4013.95,"body":"They also often have more sugar than the dairy versions to make up for the lack of fat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4014.09,"endTime":4014.59,"body":"That makes sense."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4015.29,"endTime":4017.91,"body":"Protein powders, you talked about extremely processed typically,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4018.13,"endTime":4021.75,"body":"but single ingredient protein powders do exist, like the one from Naked."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4021.97,"endTime":4024.53,"body":"So even though it's processed, it doesn't have a lot of filling ingredients or."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4024.53,"endTime":4025.19,"body":"Extra things in there."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4025.99,"endTime":4029.45,"body":"And all the stuff in the snack aisle that's like vegan-y, like Oreos,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4029.65,"endTime":4033.17,"body":"some chips, vegan marshmallows, stuff like that, kind of the typical snacky"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4033.17,"endTime":4034.23,"body":"junk food that everybody would eat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4034.23,"endTime":4037.35,"body":"Yeah, and that kind of stuff isn't pretending to be healthy anyways."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4037.67,"endTime":4040.87,"body":"Yeah, exactly. Nobody's saying that, like, the vegan marshmallows are healthy marshmallows."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4041.05,"endTime":4044.81,"body":"Yeah, I think that's, like, a really interesting piece is all of these things"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4044.81,"endTime":4049.57,"body":"that you're listing are not pretending to be health food in the first place. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4049.91,"endTime":4054.07,"body":"You know, it's not like they're junk food disguised as health food."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4054.19,"endTime":4056.15,"body":"They're just vegan junk food. They're just food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4056.27,"endTime":4059.19,"body":"They're just vegan food and they're ultra-processed food because people want"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4059.19,"endTime":4060.63,"body":"to buy processed, convenient food."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4060.77,"endTime":4061.03,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4061.21,"endTime":4064.97,"body":"That's all it is. And so a lot of them also do function as like a transition"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4064.97,"endTime":4067.81,"body":"food for somebody trying to become or to go on a vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4068.33,"endTime":4072.51,"body":"Like the mock meats are really useful because they're a bridge to a more plant-based diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4072.67,"endTime":4076.21,"body":"A lot of people who are like cutting back on red meat will switch to the like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4076.21,"endTime":4077.81,"body":"Briand or Impossible for a little bit."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4077.97,"endTime":4080.91,"body":"And then maybe if they make the full transition to like being a vegan diet,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4081.07,"endTime":4082.53,"body":"maybe they won't even eat those as much anymore."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4083.23,"endTime":4084.31,"body":"Yeah. And I think they're."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4085.29,"endTime":4090.41,"body":"definitely helpful for transitioning because if you buy like beyond ground beef"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4090.41,"endTime":4093.33,"body":"you're going to cook that the same way you would normal ground beef you don't"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4093.33,"endTime":4096.55,"body":"have to learn how to cook something new exactly whereas tofu there's a bit of"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4096.55,"endTime":4099.29,"body":"a learning curve tbp a bit of a learning curve yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4099.29,"endTime":4102.95,"body":"Yeah or even if like you like grilling out or whatever you throw the beyond"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4102.95,"endTime":4105.71,"body":"burgers on the grill and right you're off to the races you know you're."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4105.71,"endTime":4107.89,"body":"Not having to learn a new way of cooking yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4107.89,"endTime":4111.41,"body":"I think that's really important i think people really underestimate like how"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4111.41,"endTime":4116.11,"body":"important that friction point is for somebody trying to like go to something"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4116.11,"endTime":4120.67,"body":"like a vegan diet is like I don't have to learn a lot of new stuff about it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4120.75,"endTime":4123.43,"body":"I don't have to learn a lot of new foods. I just want a swap."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4123.93,"endTime":4128.35,"body":"Well, I think especially when I think the transition in general is kind of challenging"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4128.35,"endTime":4131.97,"body":"because you're losing a lot of things that you maybe enjoyed."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4132.43,"endTime":4135.65,"body":"You know, everybody has favorite foods that they had before they went vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4135.81,"endTime":4139.53,"body":"And I think the vegan market's done a really good job of replacing a lot of"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4139.53,"endTime":4142.89,"body":"those, but there's still going to be a handful of things that you just can't have anymore."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4143.31,"endTime":4147.73,"body":"Restaurants you just can't eat at anymore. So that's like a mental struggle, right?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4147.85,"endTime":4151.77,"body":"And then you're also dealing with the social friction of not being able to go"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4151.77,"endTime":4155.71,"body":"out to places like you used to with your family and friends that do not eat a vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4155.95,"endTime":4162.21,"body":"So I think having something that makes at least the cooking aspect seamless is really helpful."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4162.59,"endTime":4166.19,"body":"Yeah, definitely. Definitely helps lubricate the social situation because you"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4166.19,"endTime":4168.87,"body":"can still have people over for a cookout. You can still, like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4168.95,"endTime":4171.71,"body":"go out with your friends somewhere that has, like, a Beyond Burger or something like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4171.83,"endTime":4174.93,"body":"It just helps the whole thing. It may be a little smoother."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4175.25,"endTime":4178.57,"body":"Or maybe you don't want to cook with recipes. Yeah. You know?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4178.75,"endTime":4182.35,"body":"I mean, I just remember growing up, I don't think my parents ever used recipes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4182.35,"endTime":4186.27,"body":"They were just, like, cooking the things that their parents cooked and that they knew how to cook."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4186.91,"endTime":4189.89,"body":"And I think a lot of people feel that way. And you probably have some foods"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4189.89,"endTime":4191.55,"body":"that you just normally cook as an omnivore."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4191.67,"endTime":4195.29,"body":"And then being able to just kind of replicate those dishes with some of these"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4195.29,"endTime":4198.61,"body":"like packaged items makes the transition a lot easier because you don't have"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4198.61,"endTime":4202.03,"body":"to go recipe searching and buy cookbooks and stuff. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4202.49,"endTime":4205.11,"body":"You can eventually get there. But it's a good starting point."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4205.31,"endTime":4209.61,"body":"So what is like one of the vegan junk foods that you can't seem to get away from?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4209.61,"endTime":4213.99,"body":"Okay. Well, this is going to be a sad story because some of my vegan junk foods"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4213.99,"endTime":4217.63,"body":"that were my most favorite have recently just been completely discontinued."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4217.79,"endTime":4221.89,"body":"So like those lint truffles, like the chocolate truffles, those were my favorite."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4221.93,"endTime":4226.95,"body":"Like for like a sweet treat when I wanted a sweet treat, like a special sweet treat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4227.09,"endTime":4231.83,"body":"And now they're gone. They're all gone. And also, Hit Peas had this really good"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4231.83,"endTime":4236.31,"body":"flavor that was called Flavor Blast White Cheddar, and it was so good."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4236.49,"endTime":4241.41,"body":"Yeah. It was the best, like, vegan Cheeto I've ever had, but apparently that's gone, too."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4241.71,"endTime":4241.87,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4242.69,"endTime":4243.25,"body":"So..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4244.18,"endTime":4248.76,"body":"sad. Yeah. And then I like those lesser evil popcorns that were vegan,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4248.94,"endTime":4251.7,"body":"but now they're replacing some of the vegan ones with omnivore options."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4251.94,"endTime":4252.56,"body":"Oh, that's a bummer."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4252.7,"endTime":4258.64,"body":"So, yeah. A lot of my favorite vegan foods are kind of gone. What are yours?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4258.88,"endTime":4262.62,"body":"I like the vegan Abe's guy thing a lot."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4262.72,"endTime":4264.22,"body":"Oh, yeah, the banana bread."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4264.58,"endTime":4265.8,"body":"And the little muffins and stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4266.0,"endTime":4266.68,"body":"The mini muffins."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4266.8,"endTime":4270.74,"body":"It seems like if I actually walk into Whole Foods, I'm probably coming out with something Abe's. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4271.08,"endTime":4275.04,"body":"They make a lot of good stuff, and they have a bunch of other allergens they look for"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4275.04,"endTime":4280.2,"body":"Yeah also uh oreo comes out with new flavors a lot so i like to try the new oreo flavor yes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4280.2,"endTime":4282.82,"body":"I'm glad that pita has finally blessed oreos for us again"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4284.92,"endTime":4285.68,"body":"that's nice"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4285.68,"endTime":4288.7,"body":"Yeah so i think the real comparison is how"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4288.7,"endTime":4293.52,"body":"the quality of the diet is overall and not like which team quote unquote each"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4293.52,"endTime":4296.88,"body":"food belongs to like if it's a food that vegans would mostly eat or the food"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4296.88,"endTime":4302.4,"body":"that non-vegans would eat um and then a vegan diet that's 80 whole food with"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4302.4,"endTime":4305.84,"body":"the occasional Beyond Burger is probably still fine from like even a health perspective."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4306.16,"endTime":4309.16,"body":"Yeah. And if you don't care about the health perspective, then obviously do"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4309.16,"endTime":4309.92,"body":"whatever the hell you want."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4310.32,"endTime":4314.84,"body":"But any diet that's more than 60% in ultra processed foods, you're probably"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4314.84,"endTime":4318.7,"body":"in the same problematic boat regardless of whether you're a vegan or non-vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4319.18,"endTime":4322.72,"body":"And there are, you know, statistically a lot of people in that boat that are"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4322.72,"endTime":4324.0,"body":"both vegan and non-vegan. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4325.46,"endTime":4329.38,"body":"Being vegan doesn't even make you more likely to eat ultra processed foods."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4329.6,"endTime":4332.1,"body":"In fact, it could be less likely because like I mentioned earlier,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4332.36,"endTime":4335.52,"body":"you can't eat most of the ultra processed foods anyway because they're not vegan. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4335.78,"endTime":4336.44,"body":"Yeah, that's true."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4336.8,"endTime":4339.88,"body":"So, you know, there might be a lot of things that you would typically eat and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4339.88,"endTime":4341.9,"body":"you're like, oh, that has milk or that has egg or whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4342.26,"endTime":4345.78,"body":"And then changing your diet and lifestyle seems hard."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4346.1,"endTime":4350.22,"body":"So non-vegans will often just perpetuate some of these myths around veganism"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4350.22,"endTime":4352.32,"body":"as an easy excuse to not try it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4352.48,"endTime":4353.6,"body":"Oh, absolutely. I"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4355.15,"endTime":4360.33,"body":"I think the Billie Eilish quote in interview, I think, has taught me a lot just"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4360.33,"endTime":4365.67,"body":"existing on social media over the last few weeks because she didn't even say anything about ethics."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4365.81,"endTime":4368.79,"body":"Right. Like she didn't assign morality to eating animals."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4368.97,"endTime":4373.05,"body":"She just simply said you can't eat meat and love animals. And like people have"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4373.05,"endTime":4380.23,"body":"lost their minds and like gone excuse happy, like issues, like constant barrage of excuses."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4380.59,"endTime":4385.63,"body":"Yeah. And like, I'm not a bad person. I can't eat vegan because of X, Y, Z, you know?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4385.77,"endTime":4390.99,"body":"So like, I think people are always kind of reaching for an excuse that's easy"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4390.99,"endTime":4394.81,"body":"that they can use. And this one, I think, gets perpetuated a lot because they"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4394.81,"endTime":4399.29,"body":"can just simply point at the advertised vegan foods, which are mostly highly processed."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4399.65,"endTime":4402.43,"body":"Yeah. So they might say like, I value my health, so I can't go vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4402.55,"endTime":4405.37,"body":"Right. It's like, okay, well, I mean, that's just not true."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4405.53,"endTime":4408.71,"body":"Like, it's not going to make your health worse, but that's an easy throwaway"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4408.71,"endTime":4412.23,"body":"excuse for you because you've seen it float around the internet so much that vegans are like this."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4412.43,"endTime":4415.15,"body":"super healthy unprocessed food so it's easier"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4415.15,"endTime":4417.73,"body":"for you to just say oh i can't do that i don't want to do that yeah i can't"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4417.73,"endTime":4421.01,"body":"go vegan nobody do so next time somebody hits you with like isn't vegan food"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4421.01,"endTime":4425.47,"body":"all processed the actual answer is one there's no such thing as vegan food and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4425.47,"endTime":4429.09,"body":"two yeah some of what we eat is processed but the same way some of what you"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4429.09,"endTime":4434.35,"body":"eat is processed but the real question is like what the overall pattern of eating looks like yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4434.35,"endTime":4440.37,"body":"So i feel like the way that we can kind of fix this narrative is like you said"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4440.37,"endTime":4444.39,"body":"answering the question and maybe giving supporting facts and information."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4444.69,"endTime":4448.19,"body":"I mean, there are some people that are just trolls, but there are some people"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4448.19,"endTime":4451.79,"body":"that you could maybe make understand a little differently."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4452.52,"endTime":4457.24,"body":"And then I think another way is kind of like we talked about earlier on is you"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4457.24,"endTime":4460.5,"body":"could use social media to post pictures of your vegan food and kind of show"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4460.5,"endTime":4463.1,"body":"that, yeah, it's not highly processed. Look what I'm eating."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4463.24,"endTime":4464.96,"body":"Maybe you can list the ingredients. I don't know. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4465.64,"endTime":4470.3,"body":"Yeah. It's kind of funny. I think my pizza picture is like one of the best pictures I've ever taken."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4471.0,"endTime":4474.7,"body":"Or maybe it's just that I like pizza. Yeah. But I'll have people be like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4475.18,"endTime":4476.44,"body":"oh, yeah, it's not healthy."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4476.6,"endTime":4481.88,"body":"It's got like super processed cheese on it. And I'm like, I made that in my kitchen."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4481.88,"endTime":4486.18,"body":"Yeah, you made the entire, like the dough, the cheese, everything is made from"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4486.18,"endTime":4488.42,"body":"scratch with like 10 ingredients."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4488.42,"endTime":4492.3,"body":"Minimal ingredients, yeah. It's like, I think that you don't understand things."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4492.54,"endTime":4496.58,"body":"And that's okay. We can explain things, I guess."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4496.8,"endTime":4501.64,"body":"Yeah. So I hope that helps clear up some of the misconceptions and maybe the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4501.64,"endTime":4504.62,"body":"talking points around like vegan food being ultra processed."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4504.74,"endTime":4507.04,"body":"Now let's get into our myth of the week this week."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4507.32,"endTime":4510.14,"body":"The myth of the week is that eating carbs at night will make you fat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4510.64,"endTime":4511.9,"body":"I've heard this a lot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4512.04,"endTime":4513.62,"body":"Yeah, people say it a lot. Like, you shouldn't eat at night."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4513.76,"endTime":4516.18,"body":"Or just, yeah, eating at night in general will make you fat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4516.28,"endTime":4518.08,"body":"And there's always a time. It's like, you shouldn't eat after six."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4518.1,"endTime":4520.02,"body":"After eight. You shouldn't eat after eight or whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4521.12,"endTime":4524.18,"body":"Or they just generally say, like, carbs at night go straight to fat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4524.46,"endTime":4529.56,"body":"Yeah. So, I mean, yeah. So, the reality of it is the total daily calories are"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4529.56,"endTime":4532.1,"body":"what matter for the weight and not the timing of those calories."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4532.56,"endTime":4537.4,"body":"You mean daytime calories aren't actually easier to get rid of than nighttime calories?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4537.66,"endTime":4539.5,"body":"Right. And what do you mean by nighttime? Does that mean, like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4539.54,"endTime":4542.38,"body":"before you go to bed, I guess? Because somebody's third shift, like..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4542.38,"endTime":4543.38,"body":"Yeah. Oh, yeah, exactly."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4543.62,"endTime":4544.14,"body":"If I could don't eat after 8 p.m."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4544.14,"endTime":4546.48,"body":"I think it's, like, right before you go to sleep. Yeah. Like..."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4546.48,"endTime":4549.76,"body":"Your body doesn't switch into a fat storage mode at sunset. There's not,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4549.88,"endTime":4551.5,"body":"like, a thing that happens."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4551.7,"endTime":4553.84,"body":"Yeah, especially if you're on shift work, like you said. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4554.64,"endTime":4559.32,"body":"Your carbs that you eat at night digest and store as glycogen exactly the same"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4559.32,"endTime":4561.04,"body":"way that carbs at any other time do."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4562.5,"endTime":4564.94,"body":"So, there's nothing special about the nighttime carbs."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4565.34,"endTime":4565.48,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4567.43,"endTime":4570.53,"body":"And then so something you'll you're probably thinking right now,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4570.63,"endTime":4573.63,"body":"if you think that this is a thing is like, what about insulin storing it as fat?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4573.81,"endTime":4577.61,"body":"That's typically the thing you'll see is that eating late at night does some"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4577.61,"endTime":4579.91,"body":"magical thing with insulin and it makes it go straight to fat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4580.05,"endTime":4580.23,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4580.59,"endTime":4585.01,"body":"So it is true that insulin sensitivity drops over the course of the day."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4585.77,"endTime":4590.85,"body":"So a meal eaten at night produces a bigger and longer blood sugar spike than"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4590.85,"endTime":4592.15,"body":"if you eat a meal at lunch."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4592.31,"endTime":4596.43,"body":"That is true. But a bigger spike does not mean more long term fat storage."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4596.43,"endTime":4597.95,"body":"That's not really the same thing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4598.15,"endTime":4601.35,"body":"So the claim in general is part of something called the carbohydrate insulin"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4601.35,"endTime":4606.01,"body":"model of obesity, which is actually kind of in competition to the energy balance,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4606.25,"endTime":4607.41,"body":"which is like your calories."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4607.77,"endTime":4614.19,"body":"So basically the carbohydrate insulin model of obesity says that insulin is"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4614.19,"endTime":4617.87,"body":"what drives weight change and fat storage and not calories."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4618.7,"endTime":4623.22,"body":"So, this was kind of an older theory, but it's been actually,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4623.22,"endTime":4627.64,"body":"like, directly tested in metabolic wards where they control every calorie in"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4627.64,"endTime":4628.58,"body":"each of the crop big studies."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4629.46,"endTime":4633.7,"body":"And it's just, like, not supported by data at all. So, when calories and protein"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4633.7,"endTime":4640.58,"body":"are matched, varying the carb intake or the carb timing does not drive different fat gain. this."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4640.58,"endTime":4646.68,"body":"Is i think interesting because the people i say pushing some of this stuff are like those"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4647.36,"endTime":4651.14,"body":"influencer type wellness grifter types that like they're trying to make money"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4651.14,"endTime":4656.82,"body":"off of you by selling you some solution yeah like sign up with me and i'll tell"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4656.82,"endTime":4659.26,"body":"you how you can eat even more calories"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4659.26,"endTime":4660.74,"body":"Um you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4660.74,"endTime":4665.24,"body":"Know because what you don't know is this insulin thing is really how calories matter"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4665.24,"endTime":4669.86,"body":"Yeah if you are like if if you open threads right now and fitness is remotely"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4669.86,"endTime":4673.64,"body":"in your algorithm you're gonna scroll for 10 seconds and see like three posts"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4673.64,"endTime":4678.46,"body":"about uh calories aren't what counts insulin controls your weight yeah something"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4678.46,"endTime":4682.64,"body":"that is based off of this model that has been completely debunked at this point but."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4682.64,"endTime":4685.66,"body":"They don't care because they still want to study their garbage ass course"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4685.66,"endTime":4688.5,"body":"Yeah and i mean it's like the way they study this is"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4688.5,"endTime":4691.94,"body":"is not really up for debate anymore this is just like a defunct theory"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4691.94,"endTime":4696.46,"body":"it doesn't happen now there are things around insulin resistance that you know"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4696.46,"endTime":4701.12,"body":"affect appetite and affect like maybe it won't affect your weight but it might"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4701.12,"endTime":4704.92,"body":"affect how much your weight you lose from fat or muscle some things like that"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4704.92,"endTime":4709.96,"body":"but it doesn't change the fact that like your total calorie balance controls"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4709.96,"endTime":4711.48,"body":"your actual body weight which."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4711.48,"endTime":4715.42,"body":"Makes sense because mass isn't either created or destroyed this is just like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4715.42,"endTime":4717.96,"body":"some of the first laws of science right"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4717.96,"endTime":4721.72,"body":"And And so some ways that eating carbs at night might even help you,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4721.82,"endTime":4726.46,"body":"not for weight, but some evidence that carbs at night may improve your sleep quality."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4726.66,"endTime":4729.8,"body":"So it helps you sleep a little better throughout the night if you have carbs late."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4730.28,"endTime":4733.88,"body":"It could also be useful for post-workout recovery if you train in the evenings."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4734.85,"endTime":4738.69,"body":"And then there was actually a six-month randomized controlled trial that had"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4738.69,"endTime":4743.23,"body":"its subjects eat most of their carbs at dinner compared to a control group that"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4743.23,"endTime":4744.63,"body":"spread their carbs kind of throughout the day."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4744.79,"endTime":4748.55,"body":"The group that ate their carbs later actually did have more weight loss and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4748.55,"endTime":4749.75,"body":"better metabolic markers."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4750.61,"endTime":4751.45,"body":"That's interesting."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4751.79,"endTime":4754.97,"body":"Yeah. And no, this is not like a contradiction to what we just talked about"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4754.97,"endTime":4757.59,"body":"because these groups did not have their calories matched."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4758.07,"endTime":4762.23,"body":"So this was like a, what they call a free living study where they gave them"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4762.23,"endTime":4763.45,"body":"like a general calorie target."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4763.65,"endTime":4766.49,"body":"And the only real instruction they gave them was like, eat your carbs at night."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4766.71,"endTime":4770.71,"body":"I wonder if that's because they were so full on like protein and stuff during the day."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4770.95,"endTime":4774.65,"body":"Yeah. Apparently eating your carbs at night really helped regulate like hunger"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4774.65,"endTime":4776.31,"body":"and satiety and things like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4776.41,"endTime":4779.39,"body":"So they just tended to eat fewer calories in general."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4779.65,"endTime":4784.07,"body":"Yeah. So what came out of that study is like, it might be easier to control"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4784.07,"endTime":4788.75,"body":"appetite and stick to a lower calorie diet. if you kind of put the carbs later at night."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4789.53,"endTime":4794.55,"body":"But it's not because it wasn't the same calories and then eating at night made them lose less weight."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4794.69,"endTime":4799.25,"body":"It's like eating the carbs at night caused them to just naturally eat fewer"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4799.25,"endTime":4800.53,"body":"calories because they weren't as hungry."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4800.71,"endTime":4804.83,"body":"The myth kind of comes from a couple of things. One is a little bit of a conflation issue."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4805.03,"endTime":4808.51,"body":"People who eat a lot late at night often overeat in general."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4808.83,"endTime":4812.05,"body":"So if you're somebody who's like snacking in front of a screen late at night,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4812.21,"endTime":4814.03,"body":"you're probably overeating in general."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4814.09,"endTime":4818.91,"body":"So it looks like eating carbs late at night is what causes the weight gain."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4818.91,"endTime":4819.95,"body":"Oh, yeah, an ice cream truck."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4820.09,"endTime":4820.85,"body":"Kona ice."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4822.71,"endTime":4827.07,"body":"So it's the calorie surplus that's causing that extra fat and not the clock."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4827.23,"endTime":4830.63,"body":"It's not because you ate the calories late. It's just because you ate the calories."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4830.95,"endTime":4834.77,"body":"You ate extra calories when you maybe a lot of other people aren't eating those"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4834.77,"endTime":4836.19,"body":"extra calories because it's right before bed."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4836.29,"endTime":4839.43,"body":"Cool. So I think we can safely call that myth busted."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4839.69,"endTime":4843.09,"body":"Feel free to eat your carbs whenever you want. You just have to control your"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4843.09,"endTime":4844.61,"body":"total calories if you're trying to manage your weight."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4844.71,"endTime":4847.79,"body":"So we have a couple of updates for deficient vegans in general."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4848.31,"endTime":4851.41,"body":"The first thing is we are, I think we mentioned before, but we're going to be"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4851.41,"endTime":4854.15,"body":"starting the book club on the Deficient Vegans Discord server."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4854.35,"endTime":4858.93,"body":"We picked the book Eating Animals as our first book because I think it lays"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4858.93,"endTime":4863.71,"body":"a lot of the context around, yeah, just eating animals and all of the bad things"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4863.71,"endTime":4864.61,"body":"that come with eating animals."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4864.85,"endTime":4870.51,"body":"Yeah, we got five copies we're going to be giving away on an Instagram raffle for the book club."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4871.71,"endTime":4875.55,"body":"We're going to do a post about the giveaway on June 1st, so be on the lookout"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4875.55,"endTime":4877.75,"body":"for that on the Deficient Vegans Instagram account."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4877.79,"endTime":4879.95,"body":"And then you'll have three days to enter the raffle."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4880.19,"endTime":4882.69,"body":"Names will be drawn Thursday morning on June the 4th."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4883.43,"endTime":4887.21,"body":"The book club itself will start on June 22nd on Discord."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4887.73,"endTime":4890.83,"body":"Yeah. We're going to create a channel and we're going to have discussions."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4890.83,"endTime":4894.51,"body":"We're probably going to break the book into either four or six parts and we'll"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4894.51,"endTime":4899.57,"body":"let you guys know which chapters we're reading or to like what page we're reading for each section."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4899.81,"endTime":4904.53,"body":"Yeah. And then we'll just have discussion questions and open discussion on those parts of the book."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4904.69,"endTime":4907.67,"body":"Yeah. And that first book will probably go through the end of July, I think."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4907.89,"endTime":4908.01,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4908.33,"endTime":4911.29,"body":"And then we'll probably talk about it on a podcast episode in August."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4911.59,"endTime":4916.03,"body":"Yeah. I'm really excited about this one because this is actually the book that made me go vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4916.9,"endTime":4920.84,"body":"And it's the book that made Natalie Portman go vegan, and she gives it out to family and friends."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4920.96,"endTime":4921.52,"body":"Oh, that's pretty cool."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4921.64,"endTime":4923.66,"body":"So it seems like an overall good book. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4924.02,"endTime":4927.16,"body":"So make sure you follow us on Instagram on the Deficient Vegans account."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4927.36,"endTime":4929.78,"body":"We'll be down in the show notes. That's where the raffle will be,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4929.8,"endTime":4932.38,"body":"and you can also get updates there. Also, for Deficient Vegans,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4932.44,"endTime":4933.98,"body":"there is a slightly new website."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4934.82,"endTime":4938.18,"body":"We get a little fancier. We're going to start adding a couple of blog posts"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4938.18,"endTime":4939.32,"body":"to the Deficient Vegans site."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4939.98,"endTime":4944.32,"body":"More around, like, getting into veganism, general veganism community stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4944.32,"endTime":4946.88,"body":"You know, on our own websites, we kind of do like fitness and nutrition."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4946.88,"endTime":4948.24,"body":"You do like food and recipes."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4948.56,"endTime":4953.46,"body":"Yeah. So we're making the deficient vegans more of like general vegan information"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4953.46,"endTime":4956.74,"body":"and newcomers to veganism, you know, resources for that kind of thing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4956.84,"endTime":4961.52,"body":"Yeah. Since the podcast is starting to head more towards the vegan front than"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4961.52,"endTime":4964.86,"body":"necessarily the fitness and nutrition, which is a lot of the earlier podcasts handled."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4965.18,"endTime":4969.14,"body":"Yeah. So also, if you need another reason to join the Discord server,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4969.34,"endTime":4973.98,"body":"we have created a pet channel now so people can show off and admire everybody's little fur babies."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4975.0,"endTime":4975.84,"body":"They're really cute."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4977.0,"endTime":4980.64,"body":"All right. So we appreciate you listening. If you could leave a review on Apple"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4980.64,"endTime":4983.0,"body":"Podcasts and Spotify, that helps us out a lot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4983.22,"endTime":4987.08,"body":"And then if you're on YouTube or Spotify, you can leave us a comment and we'd love to hear from you."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4987.36,"endTime":4990.2,"body":"And then, yeah, don't forget to join the Deficient Vegans Discord server."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4990.32,"endTime":4992.66,"body":"We're up to 70 people now and it's been popping off lately."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4993.06,"endTime":4994.92,"body":"Yeah, people talk in there a whole lot more now."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4995.0,"endTime":4998.06,"body":"Yeah. You can also check out our websites and social media down in the show"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4998.06,"endTime":5000.0,"body":"notes if you want to get in touch or ask us some questions."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5000.28,"endTime":5003.44,"body":"So I think that's it. Do you want to say bye? Bye, guys. Bye, everybody."}]}