{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":0.02,"endTime":2.76,"body":"Welcome to the Deficient Vegans Podcast. This is episode 52."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2.84,"endTime":6.06,"body":"I'm the muscle-deficient vegan here with the protein-deficient vegan. Do you want to say hi?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":6.38,"endTime":10.92,"body":"Hi! Hi, everybody. So this episode, we're going to be talking about how animal-based"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":10.92,"endTime":15.64,"body":"products are typically tied to traditions and memories, and maybe how we can"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":15.64,"endTime":18.24,"body":"keep some of those meaning and memories while changing the ingredients."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":19.16,"endTime":22.24,"body":"Also, we'll have our myth of the week, where we will discuss the myth that vegans"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":22.24,"endTime":25.8,"body":"can't get enough omega-3s. But first up, new news."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":26.06,"endTime":26.98,"body":"New news."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":26.98,"endTime":30.08,"body":"So you won't often hear us say good things about Jeff Bezos."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":30.32,"endTime":31.08,"body":"That's true."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":31.22,"endTime":36.6,"body":"But in this case, the Bezos Earth Fund has awarded $34 million across four grants"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":36.6,"endTime":41.28,"body":"to develop sustainable plastic-free textile fibers, including cotton and silk"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":41.28,"endTime":42.18,"body":"for the fashion industry."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":42.9,"endTime":44.14,"body":"That's pretty cool. Not going to lie."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":44.36,"endTime":47.32,"body":"Yeah. While this will be great for the environment, which is also great for"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":47.32,"endTime":51.7,"body":"animals, the real vegan piece here is that $10 million of that is being awarded"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":51.7,"endTime":55.34,"body":"to the University of California, which is working with scientists to develop"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":55.34,"endTime":58.04,"body":"a high-performance biodegradable alternative to silk."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":58.78,"endTime":63.06,"body":"And that will allow them to make silk without having to rely on silkworms,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":63.22,"endTime":65.54,"body":"spiders, or plastic, which is kind of how it's traditionally made."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":66.06,"endTime":70.48,"body":"That is really neat. I think that most people don't really understand how silk is made."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":70.58,"endTime":72.88,"body":"I know. I didn't understand. And when you showed it to me originally,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":72.92,"endTime":74.86,"body":"it seemed like kind of a little bit of a nightmare."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":75.14,"endTime":76.44,"body":"I was, uh..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":77.28,"endTime":80.02,"body":"completely baffled because i feel like it's just"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":80.02,"endTime":82.72,"body":"like yes if you look it up obviously it's going"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":82.72,"endTime":87.18,"body":"to tell you how it's made yeah but i didn't use silk right for anything so i"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":87.18,"endTime":90.64,"body":"never really bothered looking it up but then when i went vegan i was starting"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":90.64,"endTime":94.02,"body":"to look at like what other things other than food should i be worried about"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":94.02,"endTime":97.58,"body":"silk was one of the first things that came up and i'm like wait but what yeah"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":97.58,"endTime":100.32,"body":"so i think most people don't even know that yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":100.32,"endTime":105.5,"body":"Weirdly i i also never used silk i for whatever reason always just assumed it"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":105.5,"endTime":108.42,"body":"was a synthetic thing i didn't even think about like silkworms and like it was real"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":108.42,"endTime":111.94,"body":"Silk yeah i didn't either so yeah leave those worms alone leave."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":111.94,"endTime":117.66,"body":"Those worms alone yeah um next up a new analysis looked at dairy and coffee"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":117.66,"endTime":121.18,"body":"companies in europe and north america and when they looked at them they found"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":121.18,"endTime":125.94,"body":"that 91 of those companies recognized the link between livestock farming and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":125.94,"endTime":131.42,"body":"the climate crisis but the majority of them don't have any goals laid out to reduce their emissions"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":131.42,"endTime":134.72,"body":"That is not surprising at all to me That's typically."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":134.72,"endTime":137.62,"body":"How it goes. It's like, yeah, we know that's a problem, but that's not our problem."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":137.84,"endTime":140.58,"body":"I mean, this government's going to make me. I'm not going to do shit about it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":140.74,"endTime":145.32,"body":"Exactly. Out of the 23 businesses they looked at, only three of those have set"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":145.32,"endTime":147.08,"body":"public targets to reduce their methane emissions."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":147.5,"endTime":152.66,"body":"And only one company called Danone, which owns brands like Silk and Oikos. Oikos?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":152.96,"endTime":155.02,"body":"I say Oikos, but I don't know if that's right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":155.2,"endTime":159.5,"body":"Yeah, me neither. But only that one company was aligned with their global methane"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":159.5,"endTime":163.78,"body":"pledge and its target to reduce methane emissions by 30% by the end of the decade. Hmm."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":164.4,"endTime":168.92,"body":"I guess that maybe makes sense because Silk is like a soy milk brand and I think"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":168.92,"endTime":170.46,"body":"they have almond milk too. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":170.76,"endTime":173.58,"body":"So obviously they're already making dairy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":173.8,"endTime":174.64,"body":"They also have coconut milk."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":174.88,"endTime":177.06,"body":"Yeah, that's true. They got a lot of dairy-free alternatives."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":177.34,"endTime":179.96,"body":"Yeah. And they have yogurts and stuff too, don't they?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":180.42,"endTime":183.76,"body":"Yeah, they have a lot of stuff. On top of the issue where companies aren't really"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":183.76,"endTime":186.96,"body":"committing to doing anything about this, some of the companies aren't even properly"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":186.96,"endTime":188.18,"body":"reporting their methane emissions."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":188.78,"endTime":193.36,"body":"Also not surprising. Yeah. Yeah, I think until the government kind of sets some"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":193.36,"endTime":196.66,"body":"expectations around, like, what does a good report look like in Washington?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":197.34,"endTime":202.46,"body":"You know, you need to reduce by this much, which is interesting to me because"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":202.46,"endTime":206.84,"body":"they do that with other sectors of, like, the energy industry, for example."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":207.14,"endTime":207.32,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":207.6,"endTime":210.68,"body":"You know, like, any refinery I've ever worked at, it's, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":210.78,"endTime":214.24,"body":"they're reporting very specific emission numbers and stuff, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":214.86,"endTime":216.7,"body":"frequently, not even just annually."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":216.94,"endTime":219.56,"body":"Yeah, they have, like, compliance checklists. Like, we need to know these data"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":219.56,"endTime":221.78,"body":"points on this cadence. Yeah, that kind of thing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":221.78,"endTime":225.04,"body":"And they have to, like, report any excursion that's, like, out of compliance,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":225.04,"endTime":228.04,"body":"like, within 24 hours or something of it happening. So, yeah,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":228.1,"endTime":229.18,"body":"it is interesting, like..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":230.5,"endTime":234.06,"body":"How the rules are so loose around the dairy industry. Yeah. Hopefully they tighten"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":234.06,"endTime":237.16,"body":"those up because it does make a lot of difference in the greenhouse gas emissions."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":237.5,"endTime":240.9,"body":"Yeah, we'll see. The last piece of news here, one of the coolest things we've"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":240.9,"endTime":245.22,"body":"seen in a while. So Oatly, the oat milk company, is using a soccer club."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":245.54,"endTime":248.1,"body":"Or football if you're not from the U.S. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":248.72,"endTime":250.72,"body":"They're using their pee as fertilizer."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":250.92,"endTime":252.02,"body":"Tell me more. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":252.36,"endTime":257.36,"body":"So as you may or may not know, the world is very heavily dependent on a synthetic"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":257.36,"endTime":260.82,"body":"commercial fertilizers that use fossil-based nitrogen. And they have very heavy"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":260.82,"endTime":262.84,"body":"energy consumption to make those fertilizers. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":263.06,"endTime":267.08,"body":"And then they also use animal manure, which if you're listening to this podcast,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":267.34,"endTime":272.04,"body":"you're probably interested in a vegan world where animal manure would not really exist, right?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":272.14,"endTime":275.16,"body":"Right. Because there wouldn't be the animals to get the byproducts from. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":275.54,"endTime":280.04,"body":"Plus, like, obviously, animal-based manure is also energy intensive,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":280.04,"endTime":282.64,"body":"as is all of animal agriculture. So. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":283.44,"endTime":285.68,"body":"So, interestingly enough, human"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":285.68,"endTime":288.88,"body":"urine actually has a very similar nutrient content as synthetic nitrogen."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":288.88,"endTime":290.62,"body":"And humans got to pee. That's true."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":290.96,"endTime":296.38,"body":"Now, where Oatly fits into the picture, they're part of a science project called Pee for the Planet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":296.74,"endTime":298.02,"body":"I love it. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":298.28,"endTime":299.76,"body":"I love names like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":300.5,"endTime":302.2,"body":"It tells you everything you need to know."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":302.28,"endTime":307.2,"body":"Really. Exactly. It's a two-year research project in Sweden that's investigating"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":307.2,"endTime":310.72,"body":"whether or not human urine could become an alternative to fossil-based fertilizer. Hmm."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":312.52,"endTime":317.74,"body":"Soccer or football team Malmo FF installed the urinals and toilets needed for"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":317.74,"endTime":321.56,"body":"the project so that during the 2026 football season, pee will be collected."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":322.91,"endTime":328.59,"body":"So if, you know, you're going to one of their soccer games, maybe your pee will be part of this project."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":328.83,"endTime":329.53,"body":"You're peeing for the planet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":329.69,"endTime":331.59,"body":"Let us know if your pee's in this project. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":332.95,"endTime":334.09,"body":"Yeah, please let us know."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":334.23,"endTime":336.83,"body":"I would love to hear firsthand accounts of this."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":338.29,"endTime":342.29,"body":"As far as collecting the pee, a food-grade stabilizer is added to keep it safe"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":342.29,"endTime":346.43,"body":"and capture the nutrients like nitrogen that typically will escape into the air, causing smells."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":347.25,"endTime":353.79,"body":"Yeah. You know what they use for that sometimes? Okay, so I have a story on"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":353.79,"endTime":355.41,"body":"this, a little tangentially related."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":355.69,"endTime":356.81,"body":"I would love to hear this story."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":357.09,"endTime":361.35,"body":"Okay. You know how in urinals, and I haven't been to many urinals,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":361.45,"endTime":362.33,"body":"but you can tell me. I can imagine, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":362.53,"endTime":365.59,"body":"Yeah, how many urinals have these things called urinal cakes? Is it a lot?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":366.19,"endTime":370.91,"body":"It is a lot. More often now, they use just like a little plastic pad with holes"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":370.91,"endTime":372.13,"body":"in it that does kind of the same thing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":372.19,"endTime":375.53,"body":"But urinal cakes are an older alternative that still are in a lot of places."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":375.83,"endTime":378.67,"body":"Okay. You want to hear about the first time I learned what a urinal cake was?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":378.67,"endTime":379.41,"body":"I'd love to hear it, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":379.41,"endTime":382.25,"body":"All right, so we were at a softball tournament in high school. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":383.17,"endTime":385.73,"body":"And the school was closed, obviously, because it was a weekend."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":385.95,"endTime":388.31,"body":"And so they had porta potties. Okay."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":388.65,"endTime":392.19,"body":"And this was the first one I had been in, or really the first bathroom I had"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":392.19,"endTime":393.55,"body":"been in with a urinal. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":393.93,"endTime":395.97,"body":"Because every bathroom I've ever been in is just a toilet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":396.61,"endTime":399.21,"body":"Because I have lady parts and that's where I go. It makes sense."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":399.25,"endTime":401.23,"body":"You know, yeah, like never had seen a urinal."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":401.33,"endTime":402.35,"body":"You don't have a very good aim."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":402.51,"endTime":406.91,"body":"Right. So I go pee in the porta potty and then I get up and I look and on the"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":406.91,"endTime":409.47,"body":"wall there's this like what I thought was a sink."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":409.71,"endTime":409.99,"body":"Uh-huh."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":410.57,"endTime":413.05,"body":"And there was like what I thought was a bar of soap."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":413.49,"endTime":415.61,"body":"Yeah, that doesn't sound like a port-a-potty to me."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":415.91,"endTime":422.37,"body":"It actually wasn't a sink or a bar of soap. So, and it was the first time I"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":422.37,"endTime":423.91,"body":"had been in a lot of port-a-potties, right? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":424.11,"endTime":427.69,"body":"Never had seen a sink and a bar of soap on the wall. Yeah. Or even a urinal"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":427.69,"endTime":429.73,"body":"on the wall. Yeah. Didn't know that was a thing. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":429.95,"endTime":433.37,"body":"So, like, I go up to one of the other moms from the softball team,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":433.39,"endTime":437.51,"body":"and I was like, that is so crazy. They were, like, really went all out on these port-a-potties."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":437.63,"endTime":441.19,"body":"They've got sinks and soap for us. Yeah. That's amazing, because normally I"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":441.19,"endTime":443.97,"body":"can't wash my hands when I go pee. And she's like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":444.8,"endTime":445.3,"body":"what?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":448.04,"endTime":450.7,"body":"And then she explains to me what a urinal cake is."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":450.96,"endTime":451.16,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":451.82,"endTime":452.2,"body":"So."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":452.38,"endTime":454.66,"body":"So, yeah, your hands didn't really get that clean, I'm guessing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":454.94,"endTime":456.24,"body":"No, no, they didn't."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":457.0,"endTime":458.46,"body":"Did you wash your hands afterwards, at least?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":458.7,"endTime":463.24,"body":"I don't really remember, but I don't think there was like a hand washing option."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":463.56,"endTime":467.04,"body":"Yeah, I think maybe I poured some water over him, actually, because I had a bottle of water."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":467.14,"endTime":467.64,"body":"That sounds nice."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":468.22,"endTime":472.08,"body":"But I pitched well that game, so maybe it added to like the friction between"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":472.16,"endTime":474.16,"body":"my hand and the softball. I don't know."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":474.24,"endTime":475.08,"body":"You should have done it every time."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":475.52,"endTime":476.68,"body":"No, once is enough."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":476.88,"endTime":477.84,"body":"Yeah, not going to imagine."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":477.88,"endTime":479.58,"body":"Let me know if this has ever happened to you, ladies."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":480.44,"endTime":483.62,"body":"It's funny to me that they put urinals in porta-potties because really the only"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":483.62,"endTime":485.96,"body":"reason to do that is because guys will just pee all over the seat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":486.24,"endTime":488.06,"body":"Yeah. Because, like, why would you need a urinal?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":488.44,"endTime":492.84,"body":"There's a toilet. Yeah. My thing is, like, if you're going to put a urinal in"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":492.84,"endTime":496.46,"body":"a porta-potty with a toilet seat, please put a sign up."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":497.02,"endTime":500.94,"body":"This is a urinal. People pee in here. It's like, I didn't know that as a girl."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":501.12,"endTime":503.3,"body":"Yeah. I was like, I don't know. I was 16, maybe. Had no idea."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":503.52,"endTime":506.06,"body":"It does look more like a sink. Like, if you don't know what the hell it is."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":506.08,"endTime":507.84,"body":"I thought it was a bar of soap and a sink."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":508.06,"endTime":510.08,"body":"Yeah. There's no water, so that should include you in."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":510.58,"endTime":511.12,"body":"Was there?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":511.24,"endTime":513.22,"body":"No, there wasn't. No, there's definitely no water. Damn it. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":514.24,"endTime":515.6,"body":"You live and you learn. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":517.32,"endTime":521.8,"body":"So, back to the captured urine here at the stadium. The urine will be dried"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":521.8,"endTime":525.74,"body":"in closed containers and actually blended with byproducts from Oatly's Oat Drink"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":525.74,"endTime":527.34,"body":"Production and turned into pellets."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":527.52,"endTime":528.56,"body":"That's pretty cool. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":528.56,"endTime":531.68,"body":"The pellet form is better because it's a form that farmers are a lot more familiar"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":531.68,"endTime":534.7,"body":"with. A lot of fertilizer is already in pellet form."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":535.21,"endTime":539.41,"body":"And it's a lot easier to store than a bunch of liquid urine. Yeah. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":539.87,"endTime":542.87,"body":"The nutrients are also really a lot more concentrated in the pellet form,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":543.03,"endTime":543.97,"body":"so better all around, really."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":544.19,"endTime":547.39,"body":"It makes a lot of sense to dry it because you think about how much water is"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":547.39,"endTime":550.67,"body":"in urine, which obviously doesn't really help this fertilizer thing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":550.81,"endTime":554.91,"body":"Yeah. You don't want to have to pay for storage to store a bunch of water when you could just try it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":555.09,"endTime":558.25,"body":"Yeah, definitely. So would you let your pee be collected for the greater good?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":558.59,"endTime":561.59,"body":"Yeah. I'm thinking that maybe we should collect our own pee."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":561.95,"endTime":564.53,"body":"Yeah. Try it out in the garden. Try it here. I have a dehydrator."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":564.71,"endTime":567.77,"body":"There we go. It's a new experiment. We'll let you guys know how it goes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":567.81,"endTime":569.59,"body":"We need to figure out what the stabilizer is, though."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":570.19,"endTime":572.69,"body":"Yeah, that's on you. Luckily, we have a chemical engineer on that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":573.35,"endTime":576.43,"body":"I think we're going to have to do this outside of our kitchen, maybe in the yard."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":576.63,"endTime":578.47,"body":"Yeah, the neighbors will love this."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":578.47,"endTime":579.47,"body":"We don't want to be gross."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":580.47,"endTime":582.15,"body":"We'll have to install a port-a-potty out there."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":583.35,"endTime":585.79,"body":"You're going to pee in a bucket. Don't be a little bitch."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":587.91,"endTime":590.93,"body":"All right, let's get into the main segment here. So this week,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":590.93,"endTime":594.19,"body":"we're going to talk about kind of pastimes, hobbies, and traditions that you"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":594.19,"endTime":596.25,"body":"might have grown up with that revolve around animal products,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":596.39,"endTime":597.71,"body":"which is a lot more than you would think, really."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":597.91,"endTime":600.45,"body":"Oh, I think it's like most of them, really."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":600.87,"endTime":603.31,"body":"These can have really deep and emotional ties. And actually,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":603.37,"endTime":607.81,"body":"this is a big reason why a lot of people have hesitancy to go vegan because,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":608.35,"endTime":611.37,"body":"you know, it's not so much like, I can't figure out what to eat at home alone."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":611.51,"endTime":614.71,"body":"Right. It's like when I go to like my family's for the holidays or when I have"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":614.71,"endTime":618.57,"body":"social gatherings or things like that, it's like those things are really traditionally"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":618.57,"endTime":621.95,"body":"revolving around these animal products. So I don't exactly know how to deal with that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":622.09,"endTime":625.63,"body":"Yeah. And I think even aside from like hesitancy that you might have as someone"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":625.63,"endTime":629.37,"body":"who wants to go vegan, I think this is where a lot of hesitations come from"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":629.37,"endTime":632.13,"body":"your family and friends that when you tell them you're going vegan,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":632.37,"endTime":636.35,"body":"they start thinking about like, oh my God, all of this shit's going to change for us as a family."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":636.61,"endTime":640.57,"body":"Yeah. I mean, it can sometimes feel like going vegan means you have to give"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":640.57,"endTime":644.61,"body":"up a lot of these meaningful and emotional things that you've grown accustomed to."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":645.42,"endTime":648.04,"body":"Um, so we're going to talk about some examples of that and how you can maybe"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":648.04,"endTime":651.46,"body":"update those traditions to have the same traditions and, uh,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":651.58,"endTime":653.68,"body":"you know, gatherings and stuff just without animal products."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":653.82,"endTime":655.84,"body":"So first let's talk about maybe some sport traditions."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":656.4,"endTime":659.4,"body":"So, uh, whether you grew up playing sports or just watching them,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":659.52,"endTime":662.26,"body":"a lot of childhood memories are tied to sports."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":663.4,"endTime":666.74,"body":"Uh, so one of the biggest examples, a great American pastime,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":666.86,"endTime":668.28,"body":"you know, here in the U.S. is baseball."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":668.6,"endTime":673.36,"body":"Yeah. You're like eating hot dogs in the stadium and Cracker Jacks. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":673.86,"endTime":675.8,"body":"Or like if you're playing baseball"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":675.8,"endTime":679.58,"body":"or softball, you know, like I feel like this is what I always saw."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":679.84,"endTime":684.66,"body":"Specifically, like the coaches were always like chomping on jerky or sunflower seeds. Oh, yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":685.54,"endTime":688.88,"body":"And like the players are going back in the dugout in between innings and they're"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":688.88,"endTime":689.98,"body":"eating that stuff, too. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":690.5,"endTime":691.76,"body":"Sunflower seeds, I guess, are fine, right?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":692.04,"endTime":692.74,"body":"Yeah. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":693.04,"endTime":696.58,"body":"But yeah, I mean, typically when you think of baseball, the thing that comes to mind is like hot dogs."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":696.92,"endTime":697.66,"body":"Yeah, absolutely."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":697.94,"endTime":699.96,"body":"So, I mean, that's a big one. And then like even the pretzels,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":700.12,"endTime":701.54,"body":"those aren't always vegan, things like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":701.94,"endTime":705.62,"body":"Yeah, a lot of the stuff you find at the stadium isn't going to be vegan. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":706.98,"endTime":710.3,"body":"Also, you know, not only just like the food you eat while you're doing it,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":710.42,"endTime":712.5,"body":"but like the gloves in baseball, for example."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":712.8,"endTime":716.04,"body":"Yeah. Most of the gloves, especially historically, have been leather gloves."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":716.3,"endTime":719.18,"body":"Yeah, your cleats are going to be probably made of leather."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":719.4,"endTime":722.44,"body":"A lot of that, you know, we've had some technological advancements in the glove"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":722.44,"endTime":724.82,"body":"department, so you can get non-leather gloves now."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":725.74,"endTime":729.34,"body":"But also things like celebrations related to the sports team."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":729.44,"endTime":733.14,"body":"Like going out after a win to get an ice cream or pizza or something like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":733.6,"endTime":738.1,"body":"Yeah. I don't remember doing this much as a team when I was a kid."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":738.1,"endTime":743.0,"body":"But I remember when I was really little, my dad would like take me out for ice"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":743.0,"endTime":744.7,"body":"cream at this like small ice cream place."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":744.9,"endTime":748.86,"body":"Yeah. If I won. And I'd get like a mint chocolate chip ice cream cone. And that was really fun."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":749.08,"endTime":752.5,"body":"Yeah. But then actually when I was in high school, I remember because we had"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":752.5,"endTime":753.66,"body":"a lot of away games. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":754.16,"endTime":756.76,"body":"and we'd usually go to, like, Taco Bell or McDonald's. Well,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":756.76,"endTime":759.36,"body":"you went to one of them. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we were, what was it,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":759.44,"endTime":760.6,"body":"Taco Bell? Taco Bell. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":761.66,"endTime":763.76,"body":"Yeah, he used to go to my softball games in high school."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":765.52,"endTime":768.42,"body":"Yeah, what did you get from the concession when you were at my softball games?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":768.46,"endTime":769.36,"body":"Probably nachos, right?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":770.18,"endTime":773.46,"body":"I'm not sure any of those you had. I don't think they had concessions."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":773.66,"endTime":776.32,"body":"Yeah, you came to come from my tournaments. You might have come to the tournament"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":776.32,"endTime":777.62,"body":"where I touched the urinal cake."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":777.68,"endTime":778.32,"body":"Oh, that's funny."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":778.44,"endTime":781.78,"body":"I think you were at that tournament. I don't think I told you."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":783.46,"endTime":786.74,"body":"I don't remember getting anything from a concession stand but if i if i would"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":786.74,"endTime":787.6,"body":"have got something i feel"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":787.6,"endTime":788.02,"body":"Like you ate."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":788.02,"endTime":789.86,"body":"Nachos nachos yeah nachos i feel"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":789.86,"endTime":792.58,"body":"Like i saw you eating while i was pitching and when i was hungry."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":792.58,"endTime":795.76,"body":"I do like nachos when you were hungry i"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":795.76,"endTime":801.08,"body":"Was like that motherfucker's eating and i'm pitching a double header and i'm."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":801.08,"endTime":805.64,"body":"Starving you just gotta come over to the fence i'll slip you some nachos no"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":805.64,"endTime":807.82,"body":"yeah it probably was nachos yeah okay but"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":807.82,"endTime":812.3,"body":"Yeah i remember the team also used to just um we didn't really get to eat before"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":812.3,"endTime":816.66,"body":"we went to the game so then after the game before the bus took us home we would"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":816.66,"endTime":821.84,"body":"stop at like mcdonald's or taco bell or something okay and eat a very very late dinner as a team."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":821.84,"endTime":824.66,"body":"Yeah yeah i didn't i didn't do a lot of team"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":824.66,"endTime":827.94,"body":"sports as a kid but i you know always see in the movies like the kids win"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":827.94,"endTime":830.8,"body":"the game or even if they lose the game they go off to the pizza party"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":830.8,"endTime":834.9,"body":"or whatever so it's like even even in um entertainment minute it's like the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":834.9,"endTime":838.74,"body":"sports are associated with these particular meals ice cream pizza whatever yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":838.74,"endTime":842.82,"body":"so maybe some ways for baseball specifically that you can reframe it one a lot"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":842.82,"endTime":846.18,"body":"of baseball stadiums and stuff are now offering vegan hot dogs and other vegan"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":846.18,"endTime":848.18,"body":"options this is becoming pretty popular yeah"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":848.18,"endTime":853.16,"body":"Um yeah i uh my team is the cleveland guardians and i've seen a couple posts"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":853.16,"endTime":857.7,"body":"where they've said they offer a couple vegan options now yeah and i asked about"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":857.7,"endTime":861.12,"body":"vegan options on one of their posts and i had some other people that are like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":861.12,"endTime":863.02,"body":"vegan in that go to a lot of the games,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":863.14,"endTime":866.22,"body":"and they were saying that apparently that stadium specifically,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":866.22,"endTime":867.68,"body":"you can kind of bring in your own food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":867.86,"endTime":869.4,"body":"Oh, that's cool. Yeah. That helps a lot."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":870.56,"endTime":874.12,"body":"And I think, you know, if you're raising vegan kids and you want to reframe"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":874.12,"endTime":879.0,"body":"some of these traditions, like, take your kid shopping for a vegan leather glove."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":879.22,"endTime":883.14,"body":"Make it, like, a very fun experience, you know? Like, I don't know."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":883.24,"endTime":886.18,"body":"I always thought, like, shopping for a glove was, like, a pretty big deal."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":886.3,"endTime":889.32,"body":"I went with my dad and it was like, oh, we got to pick out just the right one."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":889.32,"endTime":892.48,"body":"And then, like, you get it home and you got to, like, wrap the rubber band around"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":892.48,"endTime":894.76,"body":"it to get it nice and, like, broken in and stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":894.92,"endTime":897.28,"body":"Yeah. So, like, you can still have, like, that tradition."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":897.96,"endTime":899.7,"body":"Yeah, it's the same. It's just not leather, you know?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":899.98,"endTime":904.94,"body":"Exactly. And you can explain, you know, to your kid why we don't do leather,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":904.94,"endTime":906.46,"body":"because that was someone's skin."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":907.8,"endTime":908.16,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":908.48,"endTime":909.5,"body":"So we don't use leather."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":909.78,"endTime":914.36,"body":"Yeah. Also, instead of, like, the traditional type of ice cream or pizza parties,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":914.44,"endTime":917.32,"body":"you could still go to an ice cream place like Dairy Queen, maybe."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":917.42,"endTime":918.68,"body":"They do have vegan dilly bars."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":918.98,"endTime":919.88,"body":"Yeah, and those are good."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":919.98,"endTime":920.18,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":920.38,"endTime":923.74,"body":"They're just made with, like, frozen coconut milk. Yeah. Very good."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":923.74,"endTime":926.58,"body":"And, like, crunchy chocolate topping. Yeah. Yeah, they're really good."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":926.66,"endTime":931.9,"body":"Pretty much the same. I don't think they have any non-dairy ice cream flavors yet. No. Maybe one day."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":932.08,"endTime":936.02,"body":"But you can buy a big box of vegan dilly bars and bring them for the team after the game. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":936.38,"endTime":939.82,"body":"Frankly, I'm impressed that a place called Dairy Queen has one non-dairy option."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":939.9,"endTime":941.84,"body":"I agree. And it's good. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":942.66,"endTime":947.0,"body":"You can also just bring like a bunch of oat-based Breyers ice cream and a bunch of toppings."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":947.28,"endTime":949.8,"body":"That's my parents' favorite ice cream and they're not vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":949.92,"endTime":951.04,"body":"Dude, their vanilla is so good."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":951.06,"endTime":952.04,"body":"It's so good and creamy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":952.44,"endTime":956.26,"body":"I prefer like the oat milk-based ice cream. I feel like it's just a little thicker,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":956.44,"endTime":958.0,"body":"more substance. I don't know. I really like it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":958.08,"endTime":962.08,"body":"Yeah. But you could buy like a tub or two of that and bring some vegan toppings"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":962.08,"endTime":967.12,"body":"like vegan sprinkles, vegan chocolate sauce, peanut butter. Yeah. Nuts, whatever."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":967.56,"endTime":970.5,"body":"That'd be really fun. Probably not nuts. I guess people don't do that anymore. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":970.64,"endTime":973.52,"body":"You got to be careful in the team environment too."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":973.7,"endTime":977.18,"body":"Yeah. But, you know, you could bring lots of toppings and make it like a fun"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":977.18,"endTime":979.72,"body":"Sunday party after a game for all the kids."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":979.82,"endTime":980.98,"body":"What if the game's not on Sunday? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":982.2,"endTime":986.88,"body":"Then I guess it can be a Friday party or a Saturday party."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":988.92,"endTime":992.12,"body":"You can also do a vegan grill up. You know, we have vegan burgers and vegan"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":992.12,"endTime":996.56,"body":"hot dogs. Yeah. I mean, it's the same exact thing. You just don't use the animal product."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":996.66,"endTime":1000.3,"body":"Yeah. I think especially around, like, some baseball traditions,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1000.3,"endTime":1004.24,"body":"it's like the vegan options are just right there. You just, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1004.36,"endTime":1005.5,"body":"substitute those right in."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1005.62,"endTime":1008.28,"body":"Yeah. I think the vegan pizza is probably one of the harder ones."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1008.28,"endTime":1012.56,"body":"But for pizzas, we're seeing a lot of pizzas and pizzerias in our neighborhood"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1012.56,"endTime":1014.58,"body":"that have like a vegan cheese offering."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1015.0,"endTime":1018.52,"body":"Yeah, it's definitely getting more popular. For a while there,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1018.64,"endTime":1022.14,"body":"it was like, oh, we have to order vegan pizza with no cheese and then maybe"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1022.14,"endTime":1023.6,"body":"put our own cheese on it or something like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1023.68,"endTime":1026.94,"body":"But even in our area now, there's like two or three that have some kind of vegan cheese option."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1027.64,"endTime":1032.76,"body":"So, yeah, like if you're doing a pizza party for the team, maybe suggest to"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1032.76,"endTime":1036.22,"body":"the coach to go to this place that actually has vegan cheese for your vegan"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1036.22,"endTime":1039.24,"body":"kid. And there's probably another kid on the team that can't eat dairy anyways,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1039.28,"endTime":1041.08,"body":"and you'll be helping him in his toilet later."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1041.28,"endTime":1045.72,"body":"Yeah, not to mention like 60 to 70 percent of people are a little lactose intolerant."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1045.88,"endTime":1050.68,"body":"Oh, yeah. I mean, I think I figured out I was at least a little lactose intolerant"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1050.68,"endTime":1053.72,"body":"when I cut out dairy because it was like my nose stopped running a lot."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1053.72,"endTime":1056.68,"body":"And I just like kind of felt better and never really had acne again."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1056.84,"endTime":1058.8,"body":"Yeah. Just like little things, you know? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1060.76,"endTime":1064.14,"body":"So that's kind of how you can tackle baseball. So now speaking of tackling,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1064.3,"endTime":1065.08,"body":"let's move into football."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1065.74,"endTime":1071.02,"body":"That was a good one. Yeah, you know more about this one. My family was a baseball"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1071.02,"endTime":1072.52,"body":"family, not a football family."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1072.72,"endTime":1075.78,"body":"Yeah, we were more of a football family."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1075.9,"endTime":1078.98,"body":"We didn't really go to football much, but I did play football very briefly as"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1078.98,"endTime":1082.56,"body":"a small child. I was not good at it. But I was officially..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1082.56,"endTime":1084.18,"body":"No small child is ever good at football."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1084.18,"endTime":1089.16,"body":"I was technically on the team. Okay. But, yeah, there's things in football that"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1089.16,"endTime":1091.7,"body":"are kind of specific to that sport, like tailgating is a big one."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1091.96,"endTime":1094.72,"body":"Yeah. Which is basically, like, everybody hangs out in the parking lot for a"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1094.72,"endTime":1096.58,"body":"couple hours before the game doing cookouts and stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1096.76,"endTime":1099.08,"body":"I've never been to this, but I hear about it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1099.24,"endTime":1102.9,"body":"Yeah, I've never been to a tailgate, I don't think. But it is extremely popular."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1103.02,"endTime":1105.98,"body":"Apparently, it's, like, as big as the game, right? Like, they're going hours"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1105.98,"endTime":1107.98,"body":"before bringing their whole grill and shit."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1107.98,"endTime":1110.22,"body":"In some cases, it's bigger than the game, depending on who you are."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1110.36,"endTime":1112.26,"body":"Yeah. Especially for college football, it's huge."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1113.2,"endTime":1116.66,"body":"I never watch college sports either. Yeah. Well, so your family,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1116.84,"endTime":1118.1,"body":"you watch football, right? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1118.7,"endTime":1121.32,"body":"So you're a Dallas Cowboys fan, but, like, what about the rest of your family?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1121.74,"endTime":1127.3,"body":"Well, my dad was a Redskins fan, Washington Redskins, which is now the Washington Commanders."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1127.86,"endTime":1131.3,"body":"And then, you know, I've got uncles who have, like, I have one uncle who's a"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1131.3,"endTime":1134.08,"body":"Cleveland Browns fan. I've got one uncle who's an Oakland Raiders fan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1134.94,"endTime":1138.18,"body":"Very split family then. Yeah, yeah. That's different. But I think that's because,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1138.26,"endTime":1140.94,"body":"like, you grew up in Kentucky, and Kentucky doesn't have, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1140.96,"endTime":1142.22,"body":"a pro football team, right? Exactly."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1142.58,"endTime":1145.44,"body":"Kentucky's big into college sports, and specifically college basketball is the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1145.44,"endTime":1148.08,"body":"only thing that really matters in Kentucky. Yeah. So, football is kind of,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1148.16,"endTime":1150.14,"body":"you know, pick whoever you want. Nobody really cares."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1151.58,"endTime":1155.32,"body":"Yeah, I grew up like 20 minutes, 20, 30 minutes from Cleveland."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1155.58,"endTime":1159.28,"body":"So, yeah, we were all Cleveland, what they were, Indians. Yeah. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1159.42,"endTime":1162.5,"body":"Yeah, I think the technical team you're supposed to root for in Kentucky is"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1162.5,"endTime":1163.68,"body":"the Cincinnati Bengals. That"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1163.68,"endTime":1165.88,"body":"makes sense. But they've been so bad for so long that nobody picks them."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1166.9,"endTime":1169.72,"body":"Sorry for any Bengals fans out there. But, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1170.0,"endTime":1173.28,"body":"So, yeah, there's other things like, you know, I would watch football games"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1173.28,"endTime":1176.56,"body":"with my friends a lot growing up. And it'd always be like, if we go watch football"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1176.56,"endTime":1180.62,"body":"together, there's definitely like wings and pizza involved. That's just kind of the default go-to."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1181.18,"endTime":1183.68,"body":"Yeah, your classical man food, right? Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1184.44,"endTime":1187.48,"body":"So yeah, I mean, that was a big one. And then like a lot of people I know do"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1187.48,"endTime":1191.74,"body":"chili cook-off kind of things for football games, especially big football games, stuff like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1192.36,"endTime":1196.4,"body":"And then just the typical like sports bar environment where you might go to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1196.4,"endTime":1199.36,"body":"watch football games is like beer and burgers and stuff like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1199.6,"endTime":1200.18,"body":"That makes sense."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1200.3,"endTime":1203.46,"body":"A lot of, even more so than in baseball. In baseball, I think like hot dogs."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1203.64,"endTime":1206.58,"body":"When I think about football, I'm thinking like burgers, pizza,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1206.72,"endTime":1210.1,"body":"wings, like all kinds of really, like all the stuff you see advertised for the Super Bowl."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1210.32,"endTime":1214.78,"body":"It's interesting because like baseball is definitely outside food. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1214.98,"endTime":1218.44,"body":"Right? So I think you're kind of limited on like what are you eating outside in the sun."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1218.6,"endTime":1218.88,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1218.88,"endTime":1222.92,"body":"But then football, it's usually like more during like the fall winter."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1223.2,"endTime":1226.5,"body":"So most of the food you're eating, you're like inside your house watching the"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1226.5,"endTime":1228.14,"body":"game or like even if you're at the stadium."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1228.38,"endTime":1228.88,"body":"Yeah, exactly."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1229.54,"endTime":1230.74,"body":"You're tailgating beforehand."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1231.02,"endTime":1233.48,"body":"Tailgating, right? Like in the stadium, it's pretty much the same as baseball,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1233.56,"endTime":1236.92,"body":"like hot dogs and stuff. But most people just eat, I guess, at the tailgate."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1237.12,"endTime":1237.34,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1237.64,"endTime":1239.24,"body":"Or like you said, they're watching from home."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1239.46,"endTime":1242.72,"body":"And I think football is interesting because it's like you guys only have one"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1242.72,"endTime":1246.34,"body":"big game a week. Yeah, exactly. Whereas baseball, it's like we're playing six to seven games a week."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1246.54,"endTime":1247.96,"body":"You can't tailgate six games a week."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1248.0,"endTime":1251.2,"body":"Yeah, exactly. You're not really having like these big parties weekly, right?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1251.24,"endTime":1253.1,"body":"Also, football's always on the weekend. That's true. I mean,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1253.1,"endTime":1255.54,"body":"there's like Monday games, whatever, but it's almost always on the weekend."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1255.56,"endTime":1257.1,"body":"Yeah, it's kind of set up for parties. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1257.58,"endTime":1261.38,"body":"So, yeah. A big, especially like you get into the playoffs and the Super Bowl,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1261.44,"endTime":1264.88,"body":"it's like all about big buffets of wings and stuff like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1264.9,"endTime":1268.32,"body":"Right. And they do like late in the football season, they'll do the,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1268.48,"endTime":1271.72,"body":"like around Thanksgiving, they'll do like the turkey with six legs and all that"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1271.72,"endTime":1275.44,"body":"stuff. It's just like a lot of meat in the dream around football."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1275.68,"endTime":1275.96,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1276.84,"endTime":1281.58,"body":"So, but some of the stuff you can do in place of those things are basically"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1281.58,"endTime":1284.52,"body":"just like the vegan alternatives. Like you can still have all those traditions"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1284.52,"endTime":1287.6,"body":"and all of those memories and like hang out with your friends and stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1287.8,"endTime":1290.2,"body":"But instead of chicken wings, we're having vegan wings. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1290.76,"endTime":1295.28,"body":"You could do seitan or tofu or soy curls, cauliflower, mushrooms."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1295.56,"endTime":1297.6,"body":"You could even have a vegan wing cook-off."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1297.72,"endTime":1301.24,"body":"Yeah, turn it into a competition. Mm-hmm. One of your friends that like talks"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1301.24,"endTime":1303.94,"body":"shit about you being vegan be like, I bet you can't make a vegan wing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1304.3,"endTime":1305.16,"body":"Bet you can't."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1305.22,"endTime":1306.26,"body":"I don't know if it'll work or not."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1306.26,"endTime":1310.34,"body":"It probably won't work, but you could probably serve them blackbird wings and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1310.34,"endTime":1311.72,"body":"they'd shut their mouth."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1312.5,"endTime":1316.22,"body":"Yeah, blackbird. It's definitely up there."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1316.86,"endTime":1320.52,"body":"I mean, it competes with real chicken wings easily. I mean, and one of the things,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1320.62,"endTime":1323.54,"body":"you know, I argue with people, one of the things I talk about with people sometimes"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1323.54,"endTime":1327.62,"body":"about like meat things is it's like it's really a lot about the seasoning and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1327.62,"endTime":1329.0,"body":"the texture and stuff that you make it with."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1329.0,"endTime":1334.34,"body":"So to me, like if you have a buffalo chicken wing and a buffalo blackbird seitan"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1334.34,"endTime":1338.36,"body":"wing right next to each other, they both just taste like hot sauce and like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1338.36,"endTime":1340.64,"body":"the texture. It tastes extremely similar."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1340.92,"endTime":1343.68,"body":"You're not really missing out on any taste by not having the chicken in there."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1343.92,"endTime":1346.54,"body":"Yeah, and they're just as filling because they're like high in protein."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1346.74,"endTime":1348.84,"body":"Sure. You could also do a vegan chili competition."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1349.04,"endTime":1351.02,"body":"I think this is an easy one to do vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1351.08,"endTime":1351.86,"body":"Yeah, most chili is vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1351.86,"endTime":1355.74,"body":"Most chili is naturally vegan. And just pull out the ground beef or just directly"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1355.74,"endTime":1361.3,"body":"substitute it with TVP or crumble tofu or beyond ground beef. Yeah. Super easy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1361.54,"endTime":1364.66,"body":"I knew a lot of people growing up who didn't put beef in chili anyway."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1364.74,"endTime":1368.74,"body":"I don't know if that's like a regional thing or what, but most people just do beans and chili."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1368.92,"endTime":1371.22,"body":"It's kind of like the noodles. Like some people do noodles, some people don't."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1372.28,"endTime":1374.16,"body":"You could do like a little vegan chili competition."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1375.37,"endTime":1381.87,"body":"And I just feel like even if you have, say you have a specific family chili"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1381.87,"endTime":1384.37,"body":"recipe, you can veganize that pretty easily."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1384.41,"endTime":1387.81,"body":"Like most of them are just something with ground beef. That's like the only"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1387.81,"endTime":1388.85,"body":"animal ingredient usually."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1389.11,"endTime":1390.71,"body":"What would you swap in instead of the ground beef?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1390.71,"endTime":1394.19,"body":"Yeah, I think honestly beyond ground beef would probably be the easiest thing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1394.27,"endTime":1395.67,"body":"You probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1395.77,"endTime":1398.65,"body":"Yeah, you wouldn't be able to tell at all. For something like that where it's"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1398.65,"endTime":1401.99,"body":"not like you're biting directly into the thing, you're not going to be able to tell the difference."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1402.03,"endTime":1404.63,"body":"Because it's kind of like soft anyway because it's like in a sauce and stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1404.77,"endTime":1406.91,"body":"Yeah. I think you could probably trick anybody."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1407.09,"endTime":1410.05,"body":"I agree. And then if you're like, if you're doing the tailgating thing,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1410.67,"endTime":1413.31,"body":"you can just bring a bunch of vegan stuff to cook at the tailgate."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1413.43,"endTime":1416.75,"body":"You could be the guy cooking at the tailgate and you just only have vegan stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1417.05,"endTime":1419.85,"body":"Right. Because they have vegan hot dogs, vegan brats, vegan sausages,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1420.37,"endTime":1422.97,"body":"vegan burgers galore. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1423.19,"endTime":1424.21,"body":"Then you can help spread the word."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1424.43,"endTime":1426.33,"body":"Yeah. I think that'd actually be pretty cool."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1426.53,"endTime":1429.95,"body":"Yeah. And then around the Super Bowl, kind of same thing. You know,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1430.01,"endTime":1434.61,"body":"just have the vegan drop-in replacements basically for all the same stuff you would normally make."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1434.93,"endTime":1438.07,"body":"Yeah, and we've been doing that the last couple. Yeah. I hadn't ever watched"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1438.07,"endTime":1440.37,"body":"the Super Bowl until you kind of got me into watching football."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1440.55,"endTime":1442.41,"body":"Well, now, was it me or was it Taylor?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1442.73,"endTime":1447.97,"body":"It was like, I would say 20% you and 80% Taylor Swift. Okay."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1448.23,"endTime":1450.49,"body":"Just because there'd be spottings of her and it's like, well,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1450.57,"endTime":1453.69,"body":"like, is she wearing a new nail polish color? What does this mean? Yeah. You know?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1454.83,"endTime":1459.37,"body":"Oh, my God. But also, this is meaningless to anyone but me pretty much,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1459.57,"endTime":1464.41,"body":"but Taylor Swift's fiancé, Travis Kelce, is now like a partial owner of my"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1464.41,"endTime":1466.99,"body":"favorite baseball team, which was like pretty exciting for me."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1467.15,"endTime":1468.69,"body":"Cleveland Guardians. Yeah. That's pretty cool."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1468.89,"endTime":1473.59,"body":"But anyways, yeah, I started watching football recently. It's actually pretty good."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1473.73,"endTime":1477.61,"body":"Yeah. You know, I think for me, because I'm rooting for the Chiefs now,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1477.79,"endTime":1480.73,"body":"just like the most basic bitch there ever was."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1481.55,"endTime":1484.17,"body":"And they win a lot. So that's a lot more fun to watch."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1484.17,"endTime":1485.85,"body":"Makes it pretty easy to be excited about it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1486.29,"endTime":1489.67,"body":"Especially, like, my baseball team actually doesn't win very much."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1489.85,"endTime":1494.79,"body":"I love how you start watching football and you still can't root for the team that I like."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1494.97,"endTime":1498.45,"body":"Well. You didn't even have an opinion. And then you just skipped right over my opinion. Well."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1499.08,"endTime":1500.8,"body":"I got to go with my girl, Taylor. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1501.06,"endTime":1505.46,"body":"You better hope nobody I like ever buys part of the Yankees or something. Ew."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1505.68,"endTime":1510.92,"body":"I hate the Yankees. But we have been trying, like, some new recipes,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1510.94,"endTime":1512.58,"body":"like, around Super Bowl."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1512.72,"endTime":1516.08,"body":"Yeah. We'll do, like, dips and stuff or, you know, whatever."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1516.4,"endTime":1517.54,"body":"Yeah. Veganized man food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1517.9,"endTime":1523.52,"body":"Yeah. Cool. So there are a lot of options. And then, so kind of the next maybe"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1523.52,"endTime":1527.4,"body":"sport-adjacent tradition you might have is something like fishing or hunting."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1527.4,"endTime":1528.96,"body":"It's more of, like, a family tradition."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1529.08,"endTime":1532.38,"body":"almost you know fishing and hunting you're doing that with your family growing"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1532.38,"endTime":1534.78,"body":"up close relatives yeah friends maybe even probably"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1534.78,"endTime":1536.14,"body":"Like your dad or your grandpa."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1536.14,"endTime":1538.8,"body":"Yeah and this is a big one because it kind of feels like one of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1538.8,"endTime":1542.18,"body":"those rite of passage type things in a lot of parts of society especially like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1542.18,"endTime":1546.18,"body":"out in the country where i grew up is like you're going hunting as a small child"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1546.18,"endTime":1549.36,"body":"or fishing you never went hunting i never went hunting i did go fishing yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1549.36,"endTime":1554.52,"body":"yeah um yeah maybe you went like with your dad or your grandfather um probably"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1554.52,"endTime":1557.34,"body":"not with your grandmother i think that's pretty unusual for whatever reason. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1557.54,"endTime":1560.64,"body":"So this also kind of ties into some of the masculinity stuff we talked about before."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1561.58,"endTime":1566.3,"body":"But yeah, it's also like hunting and fishing specifically is interesting because"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1566.3,"endTime":1568.16,"body":"you're, it's kind of a quiet environment."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1568.4,"endTime":1570.9,"body":"90% of the time you're doing it and you just like get to talk,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1570.9,"endTime":1573.54,"body":"you get to know them, a lot of bonding with no distractions."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1573.54,"endTime":1574.48,"body":"You're out in the wilderness."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1574.86,"endTime":1579.82,"body":"So it's an interesting kind of unique experience, but it also happens to be"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1579.82,"endTime":1582.2,"body":"coupled with like, okay, we're going to go kill this thing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1582.72,"endTime":1586.24,"body":"Yeah. I know when I was little, my dad used to take me fishing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1586.66,"endTime":1586.74,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1587.08,"endTime":1591.02,"body":"We didn't, we usually just released, which is still barbaric."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1592.86,"endTime":1595.64,"body":"But yeah, I just remember it being like, this is like a really like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1596.85,"endTime":1599.71,"body":"some of my only like one-on-one time with my dad where"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1599.71,"endTime":1603.19,"body":"it's like there aren't distractions like this is just like a quiet activity"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1603.19,"endTime":1606.81,"body":"like you're just kind of getting to know your parent yeah you know so i mean"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1606.81,"endTime":1610.61,"body":"i think like people have a lot of fond memories about that just because of that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1610.61,"endTime":1614.07,"body":"yeah and then like you know if you're going with your dad maybe your dad went"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1614.07,"endTime":1617.53,"body":"with your grandpa and like so it's like very nostalgic for him yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1617.53,"endTime":1621.61,"body":"Yeah like you know we used to go fishing out with my grandfather a lot on his"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1621.61,"endTime":1626.21,"body":"boat when he would go and then like my my family occasionally would go fishing"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1626.21,"endTime":1627.39,"body":"all together once in a while."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1627.55,"endTime":1631.31,"body":"It was just kind of like you're hanging out, you're usually not really catching fish."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1631.49,"endTime":1633.55,"body":"So that's just like the excuse for being there."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1634.23,"endTime":1637.25,"body":"At least in my experience, we were very good at it. But yeah,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1637.35,"endTime":1640.25,"body":"it was mostly just a way to be outside and hang out and stuff like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1640.39,"endTime":1643.63,"body":"So there are a lot of ways we could probably experience that without having"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1643.63,"endTime":1645.97,"body":"to add on like the fishing and hunting specific part of it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1646.05,"endTime":1649.53,"body":"Yeah. I feel like especially if you're going with your grandfather who maybe"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1649.53,"endTime":1652.23,"body":"you didn't hang out with very much, that probably is like a special memory for"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1652.23,"endTime":1656.25,"body":"you just because it's like how much do people really hang out with their grandfathers"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1656.25,"endTime":1658.91,"body":"if they're not like, you know, like living with them or something, you know?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1659.15,"endTime":1659.53,"body":"Yeah, definitely."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1660.58,"endTime":1664.66,"body":"And also, like, you know, this one's really heavily tied to that kind of rural"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1664.66,"endTime":1666.64,"body":"identity. Like, you're living out in the country."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1667.12,"endTime":1671.4,"body":"You're growing up around all these people that, like, hunt and fish and farm and all that stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1671.92,"endTime":1675.48,"body":"It's, you know, difficult to be the person who's like, I don't fish."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1675.62,"endTime":1677.18,"body":"Yeah, you're like the outsider almost."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1677.5,"endTime":1679.82,"body":"Yeah. And there are a lot of, I mean, there are a lot of people growing up there"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1679.82,"endTime":1680.92,"body":"that don't really do those things."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1681.0,"endTime":1685.44,"body":"But it is, like, it's kind of like the further out in the rural area you get,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1685.52,"endTime":1687.38,"body":"the more expected it is that you do do those things."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1687.74,"endTime":1689.96,"body":"Especially, like, I feel like it gets talked about in school and stuff,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1690.02,"endTime":1691.48,"body":"too. Yeah. Like when you're a kid."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1692.02,"endTime":1696.18,"body":"Yeah. And then like, you know, it even extends to getting kids presents for"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1696.18,"endTime":1697.2,"body":"like Christmas or their birthday."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1697.46,"endTime":1700.22,"body":"Get them like their first BB gun or their first fishing rod or whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1700.36,"endTime":1703.6,"body":"Like I had an old Mickey Mouse fishing rod I got that was my first one."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1703.74,"endTime":1705.68,"body":"And then eventually you got a kind of real one or whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1705.84,"endTime":1709.22,"body":"But yeah, all that stuff is really tied in to that identity."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1709.66,"endTime":1713.62,"body":"And that's probably not something a lot of like urban kids get."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1713.76,"endTime":1716.42,"body":"Like you're not really good with urban kids that are fishing pole a lot of the time."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1716.46,"endTime":1719.86,"body":"That's probably true. I never really thought about that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1719.86,"endTime":1723.56,"body":"Yeah. And then, you know, it also involves skill to some degree."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1723.74,"endTime":1726.88,"body":"Like maybe you were in Boy Scouts or you did like a camp or something growing"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1726.88,"endTime":1730.3,"body":"up that had like hunting, fishing, wildlife training, things like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1731.46,"endTime":1735.34,"body":"And, you know, maybe or maybe your parents just like wanted you to learn this"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1735.34,"endTime":1737.68,"body":"skill. Yeah. Or know to be able to, how to shoot."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1738.12,"endTime":1740.06,"body":"Survive on a desert island. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1741.5,"endTime":1743.34,"body":"I mean, you never know when you get marooned."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1743.48,"endTime":1746.84,"body":"You just never, you never know. There were a lot of movies about it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1747.06,"endTime":1747.2,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1747.58,"endTime":1750.48,"body":"It seemed like it was something that was going to happen, just like accidentally"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1750.48,"endTime":1752.08,"body":"walking into quicksand, right? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1752.74,"endTime":1758.06,"body":"And, you know, growing up, I kind of, I think I got around the hunting a little bit because I was..."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1758.57,"endTime":1761.03,"body":"Like, I still learned to shoot. I was on, like, a rifle team."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1761.13,"endTime":1763.49,"body":"So I just got to shoot at paper targets instead of animals."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1763.67,"endTime":1765.91,"body":"Yeah, yeah. So I could still be like, yeah, guns. I use guns."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1765.95,"endTime":1767.69,"body":"And I wasn't as much stigma."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1768.51,"endTime":1770.37,"body":"But I just didn't have to hunt anything. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1771.57,"endTime":1775.47,"body":"And, you know, like we said before, it's often pretty heavily tied to masculinity."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1775.53,"endTime":1779.29,"body":"Like, fishing, hunting, being able to provide or, you know, bring home food"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1779.29,"endTime":1781.65,"body":"from somewhere out in the wilderness. Something like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1782.03,"endTime":1786.51,"body":"I remember my—so my family never hunted. But I remember my dad got my brother"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1786.51,"endTime":1790.57,"body":"like a little, uh, like bow and arrow set when he was, I don't,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1790.63,"endTime":1792.25,"body":"I don't want to say like eight or nine."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1792.91,"endTime":1796.79,"body":"And so he was always like shooting that, but they never went hunting or anything."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1796.91,"endTime":1799.45,"body":"It was just like kind of like fun target practice type thing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1800.23,"endTime":1805.27,"body":"Then eventually he started throwing knives at things and collecting the odd"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1805.27,"endTime":1806.75,"body":"assortment of lots of knives."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1807.81,"endTime":1811.57,"body":"I used to live with a guy who would do a hatchet throwing in the backyard."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1811.93,"endTime":1816.33,"body":"Oh yeah. Yeah, my brother threw ninja stars at like a wooden target."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1816.57,"endTime":1818.99,"body":"It's probably pretty hard to hunt with, but it is a skill."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1819.27,"endTime":1823.65,"body":"Yeah, it's a skill. And then I think the other thing that, you know,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1823.77,"endTime":1828.29,"body":"I think can be very weird to hear about if you're vegan is that like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1828.41,"endTime":1833.51,"body":"you know, hunting or fishing, people that go, they say it like connects them to nature."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1834.29,"endTime":1839.09,"body":"And when I've talked to people that hunt, they're always talking about animals"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1839.09,"endTime":1842.17,"body":"that they hunt with a lot of respect and almost like in a wistful way."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1842.17,"endTime":1847.47,"body":"They're like, oddly enough, they'll show me like really beautiful pictures of"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1847.47,"endTime":1850.67,"body":"like deer that they saw out there that they didn't like murder."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1851.45,"endTime":1855.85,"body":"But like sometimes they'll just be like watching deer and stuff and like taking pictures of it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1855.95,"endTime":1861.55,"body":"So it's like a really odd, like, I guess a bit of cognitive dissonance of like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1861.55,"endTime":1864.87,"body":"they think they're out there like watching the beauty of nature and stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1864.99,"endTime":1866.35,"body":"But then like they're also killing it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1866.71,"endTime":1870.69,"body":"But it's something they think about it that way. You know what I mean? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1871.85,"endTime":1872.79,"body":"Yeah, that's definitely true."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1872.87,"endTime":1876.55,"body":"I think it kind of like people that do that, it makes them think they're like back in time."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1876.71,"endTime":1879.99,"body":"Like when humans were like actually connected to nature and like animals and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1879.99,"endTime":1881.71,"body":"stuff and they're not like on their screens."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1882.07,"endTime":1885.79,"body":"Yeah. And, you know, I get that draw. I just think there are a lot of ways to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1885.79,"endTime":1887.45,"body":"do it without having to do hunting and fishing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1887.53,"endTime":1888.15,"body":"Oh, for sure. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1888.31,"endTime":1891.41,"body":"So, I mean, some of the other ways that you can kind of keep that connection"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1891.41,"endTime":1894.93,"body":"to nature and change the relationship to the animals that you might have in"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1894.93,"endTime":1898.55,"body":"general is like maybe just normal hiking and camping type traditions."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1898.81,"endTime":1899.03,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1899.21,"endTime":1900.51,"body":"Like we did some of this growing up too."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1901.17,"endTime":1902.93,"body":"What kind of stuff did you get into?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1903.13,"endTime":1904.87,"body":"Well, we didn't really do so"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1904.87,"endTime":1907.93,"body":"much hiking, but we ended up in a tent a lot doing some kind of camping."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1908.07,"endTime":1911.97,"body":"Really? Yeah, so we would actually have, I guess this wasn't necessarily in"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1911.97,"endTime":1915.21,"body":"nature for some of them, but we had like a big family reunion thing where one"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1915.21,"endTime":1916.63,"body":"of my uncles just had a huge backyard."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1917.11,"endTime":1921.91,"body":"And so like all of the different families would get together and put up a tent in their backyard."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1922.13,"endTime":1925.31,"body":"Oh, that's so cool. So we just had like a huge camp out every year for a while."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1925.87,"endTime":1929.33,"body":"But then a couple of times we went to like some like a little national parks"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1929.33,"endTime":1931.93,"body":"and stuff like that and did a couple of nights of camping out,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1932.07,"endTime":1934.21,"body":"things like that. So we did that a couple of times."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1934.63,"endTime":1936.59,"body":"Not so much with the hiking, but yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1936.93,"endTime":1941.59,"body":"See, my family is the opposite. We, I don't remember us ever actually camping"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1941.59,"endTime":1943.61,"body":"out, but we'd go hiking a lot."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1944.09,"endTime":1947.95,"body":"And my dad worked a lot of weekends. So sometimes he'd get like weekends off"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1947.95,"endTime":1952.21,"body":"maybe a couple of times a year. And some of those weekends, we would go to like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1952.21,"endTime":1956.13,"body":"a state park or something and just spend like four or six hours hiking as a family."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1956.33,"endTime":1958.97,"body":"That's pretty cool. It was always like really fun for me."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1959.13,"endTime":1961.01,"body":"Yeah. And you're having the same experience. Like you're bonding."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1961.71,"endTime":1965.31,"body":"It's quiet. You're in nature. It's just a different goal, you know."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1965.51,"endTime":1969.01,"body":"Right. You know, the stakes of hiking are a little higher because you can get"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1969.01,"endTime":1970.67,"body":"lost. And then there's like..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1971.45,"endTime":1977.47,"body":"Some fighting of like, I thought you knew where you were going. Where the fuck are we?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1977.63,"endTime":1980.75,"body":"And then you're like hiking through sludgy water."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1981.25,"endTime":1983.19,"body":"I mean, this definitely happened to us."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1984.15,"endTime":1986.91,"body":"Or you like roll an ankle and you have to walk back through the woods. Oh, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1987.71,"endTime":1990.57,"body":"I remember one time our, I don't, I think it was our dad."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1990.69,"endTime":1993.75,"body":"Our dad usually was the one that was like telling us which way to go,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1993.85,"endTime":1997.03,"body":"but we got super fucking lost to the point where we were just like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1997.11,"endTime":2000.67,"body":"we just started like walking in one direction until we finally found a road. There you go."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2002.19,"endTime":2005.15,"body":"Follow the stars but like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2005.15,"endTime":2007.87,"body":"I don't have any bad memories about it it was just like a good time you know"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2007.87,"endTime":2011.15,"body":"like you just leave feeling like oh yeah yeah some good family bonding."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2011.15,"endTime":2015.07,"body":"Yeah we kind of did that we went on a trip a couple years ago and we were walking"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2015.07,"endTime":2017.81,"body":"through the woods and at one point you get like if the woods are big enough"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2017.81,"endTime":2020.49,"body":"you get into the middle of the woods and you can't see the boundaries anymore"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2020.49,"endTime":2025.19,"body":"so it's like um i don't really know which direction is out but we just keep walking just"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2025.19,"endTime":2026.59,"body":"Keep walking you'll eventually get out right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2026.59,"endTime":2031.87,"body":"We watched a movie where that was definitely not the case but yeah no"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2031.87,"endTime":2034.05,"body":"You don't want to do that in a place where there are bears."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2034.05,"endTime":2038.85,"body":"Maybe not in like an actual fort like a giant national park yeah not a good recommendation no"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2038.85,"endTime":2040.87,"body":"Make sure you know what wildlife is there for sure."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2040.87,"endTime":2044.95,"body":"Yeah yeah um some of the other things you can maybe do out in the wild are like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2044.95,"endTime":2046.53,"body":"wildlife photography yeah"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2046.53,"endTime":2049.79,"body":"Instead of shooting animals you could like shoot animals."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2049.79,"endTime":2054.27,"body":"Oh there you go with a camera that's clever um yeah take a picture it lasts"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2054.27,"endTime":2057.05,"body":"longer nobody has to die love it sounds"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2057.05,"endTime":2058.17,"body":"Like a good plan right yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2058.17,"endTime":2060.69,"body":"Plus you get to keep the you know pictures around yeah i"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2060.69,"endTime":2062.49,"body":"Know i always love seeing wildlife."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2062.49,"endTime":2063.35,"body":"Photos yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2065.14,"endTime":2068.5,"body":"Also, bird watching, kind of like wildlife photography, but you don't necessarily"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2068.5,"endTime":2069.48,"body":"have to take pictures of them."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2069.62,"endTime":2072.64,"body":"You just kind of keep a little bird dictionary, cross off birds you see,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2072.78,"endTime":2076.52,"body":"and keep up your whole life. Maybe you'd be like, oh, I've been looking for this bird for 24 years."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2076.52,"endTime":2081.46,"body":"I finally found it. And it's one of the few non-creepy reasons to own binoculars."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2081.56,"endTime":2082.56,"body":"Oh, that's a really good point, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2082.64,"endTime":2086.76,"body":"So, like, an extra win there. Yeah. You can be like, I'm just a bird watcher."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2086.92,"endTime":2088.62,"body":"Yeah. Yeah, I'm not spying on my neighbors."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2089.9,"endTime":2093.22,"body":"If you really want some old school vibes, you could use a telescope like a pirate."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2093.58,"endTime":2094.26,"body":"Ooh. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2095.68,"endTime":2098.22,"body":"Uh also mushroom foraging this"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2098.22,"endTime":2100.02,"body":"Will make you the most fun guy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2100.02,"endTime":2105.86,"body":"Oh okay i see now this one you do want to be careful with um because a lot of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2105.86,"endTime":2107.32,"body":"mushrooms are poisonous right"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2107.32,"endTime":2110.84,"body":"It's either like tasty meal high as fuck or i'm dead."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2110.84,"endTime":2117.36,"body":"Yeah those are the options yeah so i think even like um mushroom experts have"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2117.36,"endTime":2120.8,"body":"a hard time picking the ones that are definitely not poisonous so you know maybe"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2120.8,"endTime":2124.54,"body":"get quite a bit of education before you even attempt this but people do do it god"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2124.54,"endTime":2128.66,"body":"What are those one morel mushrooms i know like in indiana where where i lived"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2128.66,"endTime":2131.52,"body":"in i lived in lafayette indiana for a while and it was really big there everyone"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2131.52,"endTime":2133.62,"body":"was always talking about morel mushroom season or."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2133.62,"endTime":2134.9,"body":"Whatever yeah those"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2134.9,"endTime":2136.62,"body":"Things go for like 50 a."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2136.62,"endTime":2138.38,"body":"Pound yeah if"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2138.38,"endTime":2143.28,"body":"You get really good at hunting uh mushrooms yeah you can make some good side money."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2143.28,"endTime":2148.06,"body":"Oh that's interesting yeah um you could also just do gardening so this one's"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2148.06,"endTime":2151.98,"body":"kind of at home but You're still outside, you know, pretty distraction-free for the most part."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2152.28,"endTime":2155.56,"body":"I have really good memories of this because my family, when we lived in Ohio,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2155.76,"endTime":2158.02,"body":"we used to grow, like, we had a really big garden."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2158.26,"endTime":2158.44,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2158.8,"endTime":2163.16,"body":"Like, we had, like, just, it felt like maybe it wasn't as huge as I remember"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2163.16,"endTime":2166.14,"body":"it, but I was a kid and I just remember it's like, oh, we had blueberries and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2166.14,"endTime":2170.12,"body":"we had strawberries and we had blackberries and raspberries and corn and all"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2170.12,"endTime":2171.32,"body":"kinds of shit. It was awesome."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2171.66,"endTime":2174.7,"body":"My parents got into gardening, but it was mostly after we all moved out and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2174.7,"endTime":2177.0,"body":"they had time to, and weren't putting up with all our bullshit,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2177.0,"endTime":2178.7,"body":"I think. But now they're really into gardening."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2178.7,"endTime":2180.7,"body":"Yeah, I know. I've been doing it for a while. They always give us stuff when"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2180.7,"endTime":2181.8,"body":"we visit in the summer, so. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2183.08,"endTime":2188.12,"body":"Um, you can also do like conservation volunteering. So kind of go out in nature, help."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2188.22,"endTime":2192.6,"body":"You can even help with like wildlife rescues or help with like cleaning up parks, things like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2192.7,"endTime":2196.56,"body":"There are a lot of volunteer opportunities for like parks and conservation and stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2196.76,"endTime":2201.12,"body":"Yeah. And I think that's also a good way to meet friends and people with shared interest and values."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2201.12,"endTime":2203.98,"body":"Just in general, you can go outdoors, go into nature together,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2204.34,"endTime":2209.56,"body":"have like the quiet, bonding, undistracted conversations without involving like the animals."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2209.84,"endTime":2213.94,"body":"Yeah. Leave the animals alone. Yeah. Take pictures of the animals and then just leave them alone."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2214.22,"endTime":2218.56,"body":"Yeah. Tell your kids about your childhood, share memories, create new memories."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2218.86,"endTime":2222.12,"body":"I mean, really the goal is just to be quiet and in nature anyways. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2222.16,"endTime":2226.36,"body":"It's more of just like real bonding time without distractions, right?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2226.52,"endTime":2230.78,"body":"Yeah, exactly. Right. So the next thing that we had here is kind of like the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2230.78,"endTime":2232.34,"body":"dating and romance scene."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2232.66,"endTime":2236.52,"body":"Yeah. I think this one is interesting because if you've dated before,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2236.86,"endTime":2242.12,"body":"you've probably realized is that a lot of the quintessential dates are around"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2242.12,"endTime":2244.06,"body":"expensive meat products for some reason."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2244.22,"endTime":2244.4,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2244.72,"endTime":2248.38,"body":"Not the ones you took me on, because you were like, okay, she only eats pizza."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2249.04,"endTime":2250.3,"body":"Which was way better."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2250.6,"endTime":2253.0,"body":"It was way better. Probably saved some money, too."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2253.24,"endTime":2253.56,"body":"Exactly."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2254.0,"endTime":2258.26,"body":"But yeah, you'll see steakhouse dates, sushi dates, wine and cheese nights,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2258.38,"endTime":2261.9,"body":"or cooking dinner together. One person cooks another person dinner."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2262.08,"endTime":2265.26,"body":"It's almost always around some expensive cut of animals, right?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2265.38,"endTime":2271.12,"body":"It's the only thing anybody knows how to cook. Yeah. Yeah, so there are some"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2271.12,"endTime":2272.7,"body":"ways that you can veganize this."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2272.78,"endTime":2276.16,"body":"It's probably one of the harder ones because you do have to learn to cook some special stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2276.38,"endTime":2280.36,"body":"But especially if you're going on dates with omnivores, it can be pretty tricky"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2280.36,"endTime":2283.98,"body":"because they might be pretty antagonistic about vegan food."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2284.24,"endTime":2285.86,"body":"But then maybe you shouldn't date them, you know?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2288.12,"endTime":2291.78,"body":"You could do like vegan tasting nights. You could go to a few different places."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2291.78,"endTime":2295.46,"body":"This, I think, is especially a good one if you don't live somewhere where there"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2295.46,"endTime":2296.62,"body":"is a fully vegan restaurant."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2296.86,"endTime":2299.94,"body":"Yeah. Maybe you could go try a couple omnivore restaurants that just happen"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2299.94,"endTime":2304.8,"body":"to have, like, one vegan item on the menu and then just, like, go to a few places."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2304.98,"endTime":2305.36,"body":"There you go."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2305.7,"endTime":2307.6,"body":"And share each entree or whatever. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2308.54,"endTime":2311.24,"body":"Um, you can also cook together. You just cook vegan food."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2311.5,"endTime":2315.8,"body":"Yeah. You could try out new recipes or even get, uh, what are those boxes called?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2315.98,"endTime":2318.56,"body":"The recipe boxes? Yeah, they come with the food art."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2318.58,"endTime":2321.12,"body":"Like purple carrot and stuff? Yeah. I can't remember which ones are like totally"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2321.12,"endTime":2324.46,"body":"pre-made and which ones have you make your own, but I think purple carrot is"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2324.46,"endTime":2326.9,"body":"maybe one. I think you get the option. Yeah. I think you can make your own."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2327.0,"endTime":2329.68,"body":"I think the make your own ones are kind of cool because it comes with all of"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2329.68,"endTime":2333.74,"body":"the ingredients and a recipe that's like been verified to work."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2333.9,"endTime":2337.32,"body":"I think this one's probably the best way to go if you are dating somebody who's"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2337.32,"endTime":2341.26,"body":"not vegan because then you can kind of show them, like, this is how you make vegan food. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2341.28,"endTime":2343.78,"body":"And you can make it better and put all the sauces you like in there or whatever."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2344.16,"endTime":2347.88,"body":"Or if you're a non-vegan dating a vegan and you don't really know how to cook"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2347.88,"endTime":2352.8,"body":"yet, this is, like, a pretty much foolproof way to, like, you're going to have all of the ingredients."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2352.86,"endTime":2355.6,"body":"They're going to have the spices already, like, measured out for you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2355.64,"endTime":2356.82,"body":"You're probably not going to screw it up."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2356.98,"endTime":2360.62,"body":"Yeah. If you're trying to impress a vegan, this is the way. Yeah. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2361.88,"endTime":2365.86,"body":"Also, you can do, like, fancy plant-based date nights. So just find the nicest"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2365.86,"endTime":2367.1,"body":"vegan restaurants in the area."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2367.3,"endTime":2367.6,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2367.8,"endTime":2369.9,"body":"In Chicago, that's probably Planta."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2370.34,"endTime":2375.32,"body":"It probably is. I think it has the nicest atmosphere. Yeah. Though I will still"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2375.32,"endTime":2378.1,"body":"wear a sweatshirt there. I don't really give a shit."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2379.52,"endTime":2382.7,"body":"Yeah, but there's a lot of nice restaurants, especially in big cities."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2382.86,"endTime":2384.22,"body":"They're going to have some nice vegan restaurants."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2384.36,"endTime":2388.88,"body":"Yeah, and maybe you drive a couple hours out and make it like a date overnight"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2388.88,"endTime":2390.32,"body":"weekend or something, you know?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2390.4,"endTime":2392.62,"body":"Yeah, I don't know exactly what it is about a restaurant that makes it like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2392.62,"endTime":2394.32,"body":"nice for a date. It's just they turn down the lights."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2394.58,"endTime":2397.6,"body":"I think it's, yeah, I think it's just the vibe, right? It's like..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2399.37,"endTime":2404.37,"body":"I think it's, the paint's going to be kind of not chaotic and it's going to"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2404.37,"endTime":2406.99,"body":"be like, I don't know, like a little dimmer."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2407.13,"endTime":2408.17,"body":"Because they don't have the best food."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2408.41,"endTime":2411.23,"body":"They don't always have the best food. It always looks the nicest,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2411.23,"endTime":2413.07,"body":"but it doesn't necessarily taste the best."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2413.25,"endTime":2417.07,"body":"I will say for like Planta Queen, the reason that for me it's not a good day"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2417.07,"endTime":2418.65,"body":"night is the music is too loud."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2418.79,"endTime":2418.97,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2419.23,"endTime":2423.71,"body":"And I don't know what it is, but if music is too loud, I want to die."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2423.93,"endTime":2424.11,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2424.71,"endTime":2425.71,"body":"You remember that one time?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2425.77,"endTime":2428.77,"body":"Oh, yeah, yeah. I was just thinking the same thing. I think we're on the same page here."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2429.37,"endTime":2434.41,"body":"We were in Bath and Body Works and we had like a whole basket full of candles"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2434.41,"endTime":2437.49,"body":"and we had been standing in line for, I don't know, at least 15 minutes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2438.27,"endTime":2442.93,"body":"But they had music on and it was so loud that I like legitimately had a whole"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2442.93,"endTime":2444.35,"body":"panic attack and was like, we're leaving."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2444.47,"endTime":2447.35,"body":"Well, we got to the point in line where we were standing directly under the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2447.35,"endTime":2449.69,"body":"loudspeaker and it was too much."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2449.85,"endTime":2454.15,"body":"I was like, we have to go. We have to go or I'm going to kill someone."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2454.79,"endTime":2458.39,"body":"Like I was getting a little homicidal, so we had to go. But that's how I kind"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2458.39,"endTime":2459.27,"body":"of feel about Planta Queen."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2459.37,"endTime":2462.79,"body":"Like, the music is too fucking loud. Yeah. Turn down the fucking music."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2463.03,"endTime":2465.55,"body":"There you go. So, I wouldn't pick Planta Queen as a date night."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2465.71,"endTime":2468.17,"body":"That's like a carry-out dinner, so I don't have to be there. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2469.09,"endTime":2472.69,"body":"But you could find other good places on Happy Cow, which is like a really good"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2472.69,"endTime":2475.29,"body":"app to find vegan restaurants in your area."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2475.29,"endTime":2476.25,"body":"I would recommend Alice and Friends."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2476.67,"endTime":2478.27,"body":"I think Alice and Friends is a good date night."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2478.27,"endTime":2480.47,"body":"It's kind of bright, but it seems like a good date night restaurant."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2480.57,"endTime":2483.77,"body":"I think so. It's always nice and quiet. Yeah. Actually, the one in Glenview"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2483.77,"endTime":2487.15,"body":"is really nice. Yeah. That's true. So, it's like a little dimmer and..."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2487.15,"endTime":2488.53,"body":"That one's definitely more date vibes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2488.73,"endTime":2491.09,"body":"Yeah. Whatever that means. And the menu's really good, so."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2491.27,"endTime":2491.47,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2491.63,"endTime":2493.85,"body":"We also liked going to Kitchen 17, but it's gone."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2494.15,"endTime":2496.11,"body":"Yeah. Also, you can do vegan charcuterie boards."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2496.69,"endTime":2500.57,"body":"Yeah. Rebel cheese, Peaceful Rebel Cheese, which is a smaller brand,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2500.61,"endTime":2504.63,"body":"and then Nuts for Cheese make really good, like, cracker cheese."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2504.91,"endTime":2507.27,"body":"Also, Cheese and Thank You, I think. It has some cheeses that you could use"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2507.27,"endTime":2508.95,"body":"in something like this. Mm-hmm. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2510.05,"endTime":2514.35,"body":"Yeah. So, those are always a good option. Who doesn't like cheese and crackers, right?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2514.55,"endTime":2516.97,"body":"Yeah. Or, make your own vegan fondue."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2517.11,"endTime":2517.51,"body":"There you go."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2518.32,"endTime":2519.52,"body":"Similar, but it's melted."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2520.48,"endTime":2524.62,"body":"And then you can have a joke and say, I made this because I'm very fond of you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2525.2,"endTime":2526.86,"body":"Or I'm a very fun dude."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2527.08,"endTime":2529.56,"body":"No, that's good, too. Anyway, you can use these."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2530.68,"endTime":2531.88,"body":"Feel free to woo."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2534.86,"endTime":2535.92,"body":"Satisfaction is not guaranteed."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2536.92,"endTime":2539.86,"body":"It works 0% of the time, 99% of the time."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2541.5,"endTime":2544.38,"body":"You can also just do like a date to the farmer's market. This is kind of cool."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2544.48,"endTime":2546.84,"body":"That is kind of cool. The last time we went to a farmer's market,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2546.94,"endTime":2547.7,"body":"though, you broke your arm."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2548.91,"endTime":2552.11,"body":"Yeah, well, hey, it made for an unforgettable night."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2552.21,"endTime":2554.33,"body":"It was a very long day."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2555.59,"endTime":2558.67,"body":"Yeah, usually in a city, there's like, if you're in the right season,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2558.81,"endTime":2560.67,"body":"there's some kind of farmer's market like every weekend."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2561.25,"endTime":2565.21,"body":"Yeah, even small towns usually have pretty decent farmer's markets."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2565.51,"endTime":2569.27,"body":"They might even have better ones. I think the main thing here is to take the"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2569.27,"endTime":2574.21,"body":"classic idea that romance is about the most expensive animal products and change"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2574.21,"endTime":2578.03,"body":"it to romance being about intentionality and caring for your date."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2578.03,"endTime":2581.47,"body":"I would say also, like, if you're dating someone who's being an absolute dick"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2581.47,"endTime":2584.95,"body":"about not wanting to eat vegan food, you just toss that one out."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2585.15,"endTime":2589.71,"body":"Yeah. Like, I mean, are you going to want to spend your life with someone who's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2589.71,"endTime":2592.35,"body":"just being a little bitch all the time? Yeah. Probably not."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2592.53,"endTime":2595.77,"body":"I don't think so. Especially if they're not even open to it for, like, a one date, right?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2595.93,"endTime":2600.15,"body":"Oh, if they're not open to it for, like, dates, like, what are they going to"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2600.15,"endTime":2601.57,"body":"be like in real life, you know?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2601.65,"endTime":2605.37,"body":"Yeah, yeah. Like, I think what I liked about you when we dated the first time"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2605.37,"endTime":2608.15,"body":"is, like, you never bitched about it at all."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2608.33,"endTime":2611.49,"body":"Yeah. You were just kind of like, because I was a vegetarian at the time."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2611.59,"endTime":2614.37,"body":"Right, right. But you were just kind of like, you know, yeah, we can eat pizza."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2614.51,"endTime":2616.99,"body":"I love pizza. Yeah. Like, you never complained, you know?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2617.41,"endTime":2620.45,"body":"And then even. It was always kind of the opposite of that. I was always worried,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2620.57,"endTime":2624.59,"body":"like, oh, no, am I, like, we'll just keep getting pizza. Does she hate that?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2625.25,"endTime":2629.97,"body":"No, she loves it. And then, like, when we started dating this time."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2630.21,"endTime":2631.71,"body":"Yeah. You know, I was vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2632.13,"endTime":2636.61,"body":"And you were always open to trying vegan food. And in fact, you never ate meat around me."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2636.75,"endTime":2639.65,"body":"Yeah. Like you intentionally were like, we're going to vegan restaurants or"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2639.65,"endTime":2643.79,"body":"like, I'm also going to order the vegan dish. And like, you never made a big"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2643.79,"endTime":2646.53,"body":"deal about it, which I appreciate it a lot. It's fun."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2646.53,"endTime":2649.61,"body":"You get to try something new. It's like, oh, okay, I'll try vegan stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2649.81,"endTime":2650.03,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2650.41,"endTime":2652.21,"body":"And then obviously I stuck to it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2652.35,"endTime":2655.25,"body":"Yeah. I mean, it's just nice. Yeah. You don't want to be with someone that's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2655.25,"endTime":2657.89,"body":"like shitting on your lifestyle."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2658.29,"endTime":2660.13,"body":"Yeah. No, that doesn't seem like it'd go very well."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2660.31,"endTime":2660.75,"body":"No. No."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2661.6,"endTime":2666.1,"body":"Yeah. And then, so another big one is like family gatherings."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2666.28,"endTime":2668.64,"body":"This is a big one for traditions and emotion."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2668.92,"endTime":2669.02,"body":"Oh, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2669.26,"endTime":2672.02,"body":"This is probably the family gatherings thing is one of the bigger ones that"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2672.02,"endTime":2674.24,"body":"I think keeps people from really fully committing to a vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2674.58,"endTime":2680.52,"body":"Yeah. I think it's not just for like your nostalgia, but also like the feedback"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2680.52,"endTime":2684.76,"body":"you're getting from your family every time these holidays come up, you know? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2684.96,"endTime":2689.0,"body":"You're almost sometimes you're almost getting a little guilt tripped,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2689.0,"endTime":2692.1,"body":"I would say, to like continue eating whatever food you used to eat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2692.3,"endTime":2695.02,"body":"Yeah. Yeah. Even if it's like, oh, this is just once a year,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2695.2,"endTime":2698.24,"body":"you know. Yeah. Yeah. You're not totally vegan yet. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2698.6,"endTime":2701.52,"body":"You've only been vegan for six months. Why do you care? That kind of thing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2701.66,"endTime":2706.6,"body":"Yeah. Thanksgiving is probably the biggest one because one, it revolves completely"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2706.6,"endTime":2707.86,"body":"around a turkey most of the time."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2707.94,"endTime":2708.06,"body":"Oh, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2708.92,"endTime":2712.92,"body":"And then, you know, there's a lot of other all the sides typically have animal products all in them."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2712.92,"endTime":2713.68,"body":"And the desserts."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2714.06,"endTime":2717.48,"body":"And the holiday is, for whatever reason, almost entirely about the food."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2717.9,"endTime":2722.3,"body":"It is. Thanksgiving, I think, is the worst because it's literally like the whole"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2722.3,"endTime":2726.12,"body":"day you're just spent like hovering around the kitchen waiting for food to happen."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2726.12,"endTime":2728.78,"body":"And then you gorge yourself until you can't move."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2728.96,"endTime":2731.7,"body":"And then you wait two hours and then you eat dessert."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2731.9,"endTime":2734.0,"body":"And the whole day is all about the food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2734.22,"endTime":2737.4,"body":"Yeah. Yeah. So this one is definitely the hardest to navigate."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2737.64,"endTime":2738.28,"body":"I agree. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2739.0,"endTime":2742.18,"body":"I mean, I think, like, if you're trying to reframe this as a vegan,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2742.42,"endTime":2745.76,"body":"you know, you can start by veganizing one recipe at a time, which I think is"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2745.76,"endTime":2747.96,"body":"actually one of the first things we tried veganizing was, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2748.0,"endTime":2751.78,"body":"my dad always made scalloped potatoes, and then his dad always made those scalloped"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2751.78,"endTime":2753.44,"body":"potatoes, so that's where my dad learned it. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2753.56,"endTime":2756.56,"body":"So, yeah, we just, like, figured out how to make my dad scalloped potatoes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2756.74,"endTime":2759.28,"body":"Yeah. But vegan. Yeah. And he ate them, and he liked them."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2759.34,"endTime":2761.68,"body":"Yeah, he liked them. He got seconds. And he got seconds. There you go."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2762.76,"endTime":2769.14,"body":"Is there one uh dish from thanksgiving that you kind of miss or that was your favorite."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2769.14,"endTime":2774.66,"body":"The only so our thanksgivings were always like um kind of the big extended family"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2774.66,"endTime":2778.04,"body":"style so like all of my aunts and uncles and stuff would bring their own dishes"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2778.04,"endTime":2783.46,"body":"one of the big ones i remember um was one of my aunts made deviled eggs i really"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2783.46,"endTime":2786.0,"body":"liked a lot for thanksgiving yeah that's interesting Thanksgiving."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2786.94,"endTime":2788.42,"body":"But we veganized those."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2788.62,"endTime":2792.82,"body":"Yeah, we veganized those. And then my mom always made these like ham roll-up things."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2793.08,"endTime":2797.08,"body":"It was like you take some canned ham and then put like cream cheese on the inside"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2797.08,"endTime":2798.64,"body":"and then wrap a pickle in the middle."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2799.62,"endTime":2800.84,"body":"Those were really good."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2801.3,"endTime":2802.76,"body":"We could veganize that pretty easy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2802.86,"endTime":2803.92,"body":"Yeah, I think some tofurkey."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2804.02,"endTime":2806.2,"body":"Some tofurkey and vegan cream cheese."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2806.38,"endTime":2810.52,"body":"Yeah, it'd be pretty easy. But yeah, those are the two big ones I remember. Those are really good."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2811.2,"endTime":2814.26,"body":"Everything else was just kind of like the normal assorted sides,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2814.42,"endTime":2815.22,"body":"sweet potato casserole."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2815.34,"endTime":2815.58,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2815.82,"endTime":2818.74,"body":"Basically all the stuff you've already found a way to make. So it works out great."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2820.14,"endTime":2824.86,"body":"So you can kind of make some new traditions instead of replacing all the old ones overnight."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2825.2,"endTime":2830.38,"body":"Yeah. I think we've kind of leaned into this because, so we go to Christmas"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2830.38,"endTime":2833.46,"body":"with our families, but we started skipping our family Thanksgivings."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2834.06,"endTime":2834.26,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2834.94,"endTime":2837.96,"body":"One, because we would have to travel both times, which would kind of suck because"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2837.96,"endTime":2839.0,"body":"they're like back-to-back months."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2839.12,"endTime":2839.28,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2839.38,"endTime":2842.28,"body":"But also because we'd have to like pick between them or do two-a-days."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2842.4,"endTime":2847.32,"body":"But then also, also, because then we're asking them to like also veganize Thanksgiving"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2847.32,"endTime":2849.24,"body":"when we're also asking them to veganize Christmas."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2849.52,"endTime":2852.02,"body":"Yeah. So we just kind of stay at home and do our own thing. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2852.02,"endTime":2855.9,"body":"And what we've been doing the last couple of years is, since it's just the two"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2855.9,"endTime":2861.2,"body":"of us, and I'm not going to make, like, seven vegan dishes in a day. Yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2861.32,"endTime":2864.14,"body":"But what we've been doing is, like, the week of Thanksgiving,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2864.14,"endTime":2868.48,"body":"I will make, like, one or two dishes every other day or something."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2868.48,"endTime":2871.36,"body":"So, like, we're eating all of the Thanksgiving food over the week."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2871.48,"endTime":2872.22,"body":"Yeah, it's great."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2873.26,"endTime":2874.44,"body":"It's Thanksgiving week."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2874.7,"endTime":2877.22,"body":"And then that way we can, you know, make a new tradition together."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2877.22,"endTime":2880.26,"body":"We've got, like, our week of Friendsgiving or whatever, basically."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2880.6,"endTime":2882.16,"body":"Oh, that's another one. Um,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2882.89,"endTime":2885.67,"body":"You know, I think Thanksgiving is, like, an easier one to skip than Christmas,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2885.67,"endTime":2887.75,"body":"I would say. Yeah. Or at least, like, with our families."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2887.97,"endTime":2890.67,"body":"Yeah, because, like, again, it's kind of entirely about the food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2890.81,"endTime":2894.39,"body":"With Christmas, it's like, oh, everybody's getting presents and you're talking about it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2894.61,"endTime":2897.53,"body":"And, like, everybody's kind of getting ready for the new year and stuff like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2897.53,"endTime":2902.17,"body":"that. But with Thanksgiving, it's almost literally like we just get together and eat food and go home."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2902.41,"endTime":2905.23,"body":"Yeah, exactly. So, like, kind of easier to skip."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2905.45,"endTime":2905.61,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2906.09,"endTime":2911.47,"body":"But I think, like, if you're willing to skip it, you could look for local vegan"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2911.47,"endTime":2915.01,"body":"groups in your area that might do a vegan Friendsgiving, which might be kind of fun."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2915.15,"endTime":2918.01,"body":"Then you don't have to cook all the food and then you can make some new vegan friends. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2918.51,"endTime":2921.79,"body":"Or you can even have a Friendsgiving with your existing friends and try to get"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2921.79,"endTime":2923.41,"body":"them to do more vegan-based dishes."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2924.05,"endTime":2925.49,"body":"Yeah, I think that's a good way to go."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2925.93,"endTime":2930.03,"body":"And then if you have kids, normally, you know, like, your mom probably taught"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2930.03,"endTime":2933.77,"body":"you how to make, like, the mashed potatoes that she makes. And then those are"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2933.77,"endTime":2936.95,"body":"the ones that her mom made. And it's like a long line of mashed potatoes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2937.13,"endTime":2940.71,"body":"But, like, you veganize them so you can pass that recipe down to your kid."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2940.89,"endTime":2943.85,"body":"You know what I mean? Like, you're creating future traditions."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2944.13,"endTime":2949.07,"body":"Right. I mean, my grandpa has a pumpkin pie recipe from an index card he made"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2949.07,"endTime":2952.35,"body":"50 years ago that we keep as, like, his pumpkin pie recipe."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2952.55,"endTime":2955.75,"body":"And we tried to veganize that one last year, too. So, yeah. I mean,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2955.79,"endTime":2959.07,"body":"stuff like that gets passed down for quite a while. Yeah. And it's just like a pumpkin pie."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2959.19,"endTime":2962.45,"body":"But it's still got, like, that emotional meaning and sentimental value. So, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2962.89,"endTime":2965.87,"body":"I think like to a certain degree, it's not even about how good it tastes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2966.01,"endTime":2968.47,"body":"It's just like, oh, yeah, like my family made that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2968.55,"endTime":2970.77,"body":"That's the pumpkin pie I had when I was growing up."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2971.01,"endTime":2975.85,"body":"I mean, so if you teach your kid your recipes and they're a veganized version"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2975.85,"endTime":2979.21,"body":"of your parents recipes and their parents recipes, then you're just,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2979.21,"endTime":2981.13,"body":"you know, passing on a tradition as well."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2981.35,"endTime":2981.51,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2982.23,"endTime":2985.07,"body":"And then, so we briefly mentioned Christmas. Christmas is another big one."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2985.41,"endTime":2987.81,"body":"It does have a lot of foods that are associated with Christmas,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2987.87,"endTime":2990.99,"body":"but Christmas doesn't usually revolve around the food, so it's a little different."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2991.55,"endTime":2995.83,"body":"But there are things like ham, eggnog, sausage and gravy was a big one for us."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2995.93,"endTime":2997.75,"body":"We always had sausage and gravy biscuits and stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2998.51,"endTime":3002.03,"body":"And then a bunch of, like, breakfast stuff, like, for Christmas is,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3002.13,"endTime":3005.61,"body":"like, bacon and eggs and all that. And then Christmas cookies are another big one."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3005.61,"endTime":3007.43,"body":"Yeah, Christmas cookies are a big one because those are, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3007.73,"endTime":3012.87,"body":"even weeks leading up to Christmas. Like you're doing cookie exchanges at work or like at school."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3013.17,"endTime":3015.53,"body":"You got to make a few batches to make sure it's perfect for Santa, right?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3015.95,"endTime":3020.27,"body":"Oh, yeah. Yeah. Santa doesn't fuck around with cookies. You got to give him some good stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3020.41,"endTime":3020.77,"body":"That's right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3021.29,"endTime":3025.41,"body":"I think this is kind of funny because when we moved from Ohio,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3025.43,"endTime":3028.75,"body":"we would spend our Christmases basically driving back to Ohio."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3028.75,"endTime":3034.27,"body":"So like the whole Christmas vacation winter break thing from school was like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3034.27,"endTime":3038.07,"body":"always like driving and traveling and visiting as much family as possible."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3038.07,"endTime":3041.03,"body":"but we always stayed with my grandma my mom's mom yeah"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3041.03,"endTime":3044.11,"body":"and like my mom's mom would cook she cooked"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3044.11,"endTime":3046.99,"body":"so much food all the time and like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3046.99,"endTime":3049.65,"body":"one thing i always remember she always did these like and my"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3049.65,"endTime":3052.37,"body":"mom and i were actually talking about this the other day because my grandma's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3052.37,"endTime":3056.31,"body":"passed away and she was you know just thinking about her on mother's day or"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3056.31,"endTime":3059.79,"body":"whatever yeah but we were talking about how she used to make these jello salads"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3059.79,"endTime":3064.37,"body":"yeah and they weren't very good and they would always have like weird shit and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3064.37,"endTime":3067.35,"body":"i'm like celery or like sour cream did."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3067.35,"endTime":3068.09,"body":"You say celery"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3068.09,"endTime":3071.15,"body":"Yeah she'd put celery and jello salad oh."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3071.15,"endTime":3071.67,"body":"That's a choice"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3071.67,"endTime":3075.17,"body":"But like they weren't very good but they were like something that she made with"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3075.17,"endTime":3078.97,"body":"like love and care so like we were just talking about it and it's like yeah"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3078.97,"endTime":3083.35,"body":"it's it wasn't about like the food that's not like what made the memory sweet"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3083.35,"endTime":3086.41,"body":"it was like how much care and effort she always put into like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3087.13,"endTime":3089.99,"body":"making sure we had enough food at the holidays and stuff"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3089.99,"endTime":3092.81,"body":"yeah and then like i will say she was"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3092.81,"endTime":3095.67,"body":"even like this um because i had a co-op in"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3095.67,"endTime":3098.55,"body":"ohio which wasn't too far from her so like i'd visit her"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3098.55,"endTime":3102.05,"body":"when i was co-oping and anytime i'd like go over and spend the night at her"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3102.05,"endTime":3107.17,"body":"place i would come home like i would drive there after work or whatever and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3107.17,"endTime":3112.53,"body":"i'd come i'd get to her house and she had like so much food ready for me already"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3112.53,"endTime":3116.11,"body":"it was like oh i marinated these like portobello mushrooms Cause like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3116.25,"endTime":3120.15,"body":"I know you're a vegetarian and like, I also got these French fries cause they"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3120.15,"endTime":3121.11,"body":"said they were vegetarian."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3121.15,"endTime":3126.27,"body":"And also I got this like vegetarian weird salad I found at the store and like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3126.47,"endTime":3129.69,"body":"like so much food, like 10 different things. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3129.95,"endTime":3133.83,"body":"Wow. Just like for me and her. And then she'd be like, oh, and also we can order"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3133.83,"endTime":3136.51,"body":"pizza from your favorite place. You don't get to eat at anymore."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3136.71,"endTime":3139.65,"body":"And it was just this crazy thing. It's just like, that's how grandmothers show"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3139.65,"endTime":3143.43,"body":"they care, you know, that's how moms show that they care. Yeah, definitely."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3143.79,"endTime":3143.87,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3144.64,"endTime":3147.12,"body":"Yeah, a lot of emotion attached to things like that for sure."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3147.36,"endTime":3148.82,"body":"Did you guys do anything for Christmas?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3149.2,"endTime":3153.34,"body":"Yeah, like we had Christmas Eve, we'd all go to my grandparents and my grandfather"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3153.34,"endTime":3155.06,"body":"would be making like big pots of chili."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3155.3,"endTime":3159.1,"body":"And there was always like the kids chili and the adults chili."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3159.28,"endTime":3162.82,"body":"And then we, you know, Christmas morning, we always had like sausage and gravy,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3163.06,"endTime":3164.56,"body":"bacon, eggs, all that stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3164.72,"endTime":3169.4,"body":"So we had a lot of traditions that revolved around food for like the get together"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3169.4,"endTime":3170.28,"body":"part of Christmas. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3170.6,"endTime":3173.02,"body":"So, you know, I'm going vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3173.36,"endTime":3176.14,"body":"I had to try to adapt some of those and some of those things you have to adjust."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3176.46,"endTime":3179.14,"body":"Like, I can't have some of those things anymore that I used to really like."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3179.28,"endTime":3183.36,"body":"But, you know, it doesn't really take away from Christmas or anything like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3183.48,"endTime":3185.56,"body":"Right, right. It's just like, okay, I've got to eat slightly different foods here."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3185.74,"endTime":3190.06,"body":"Yeah. And I think like this, I remember, you know, you told me early on that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3190.06,"endTime":3193.8,"body":"your mom always made you sausage and gravy. Yeah. Or biscuits and gravy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3194.2,"endTime":3194.72,"body":"Sausage gravy."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3195.0,"endTime":3199.8,"body":"Sausage gravy and biscuits. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. but i remember when you"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3199.8,"endTime":3202.8,"body":"first went vegan that was like a conversation you had to have with her was like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3202.8,"endTime":3204.96,"body":"i'm not going to be able to eat these anymore like well."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3204.96,"endTime":3208.76,"body":"What's crazy is like that was really the only sticking point i had with my family"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3208.76,"endTime":3212.6,"body":"yeah no i remember christmas morning i can't have this it"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3212.6,"endTime":3217.14,"body":"Was like a big deal like i remember you had conversations about it and like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3217.14,"endTime":3219.9,"body":"i don't she doesn't make it anymore does she because that was like something"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3219.9,"endTime":3221.5,"body":"she just made really for you,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3222.4,"endTime":3226.24,"body":"but we did veganize it and i usually try to make it for you around christmas"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3226.24,"endTime":3229.62,"body":"yeah even though we travel on christmas but like at least having it around that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3229.62,"endTime":3232.28,"body":"time of year hopefully helps with that a little yeah yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3232.28,"endTime":3235.74,"body":"It's nice because i can still like it's kind of like we were talking about earlier"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3235.74,"endTime":3240.62,"body":"like we have it now and i still get like oh i remember eating this girl yeah it's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3240.62,"endTime":3242.04,"body":"Still you have the nostalgia right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3242.04,"endTime":3246.04,"body":"The nostalgia and stuff so yeah it's still important and i think you know for"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3246.04,"endTime":3250.6,"body":"a lot of people it is important to keep those connections like have the thing you've always had or"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3250.6,"endTime":3251.38,"body":"Whatever. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3251.7,"endTime":3254.58,"body":"But there are easy ways to do it by just swapping out a couple of ingredients."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3254.98,"endTime":3259.94,"body":"And I actually will say, I think Christmas is like one of the easier ones,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3260.04,"endTime":3261.74,"body":"at least for our families, because..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3262.77,"endTime":3266.13,"body":"food traditions aren't as locked in i would say is yeah thanksgiving"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3266.13,"endTime":3269.61,"body":"like thanksgiving has those like quintessential meals and dishes"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3269.61,"endTime":3272.45,"body":"um but like for christmas at our family"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3272.45,"endTime":3275.37,"body":"like basically my family now has"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3275.37,"endTime":3281.47,"body":"a new tradition where they make um basically a pasta and veggie dish and then"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3281.47,"endTime":3285.99,"body":"so we have a vegan option and then they add shrimp because they're omnivores"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3285.99,"endTime":3289.95,"body":"but it doesn't ever touch our stuff and like basically we like we almost eat"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3289.95,"endTime":3292.67,"body":"the same thing yeah and then yeah Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3293.17,"endTime":3296.81,"body":"And then we usually bring the dessert, which is a little challenging because"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3296.81,"endTime":3300.27,"body":"we're always staying in an Airbnb and we're like cooking shit in the kitchen the day before."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3300.57,"endTime":3302.13,"body":"Carrying dessert on your lap on the way."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3302.17,"endTime":3308.11,"body":"Yeah, yeah. But then like your family's, your mom has started making like a"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3308.11,"endTime":3309.37,"body":"few different things that are vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3309.39,"endTime":3313.75,"body":"Like she always makes vegan pancakes. So we have stuff and then a couple other things."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3313.77,"endTime":3315.97,"body":"And then we usually bring like vegan muffins or something."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3316.27,"endTime":3316.43,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3317.05,"endTime":3319.41,"body":"So I feel like, you know, it's a little bit easier."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3319.61,"endTime":3319.83,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3320.29,"endTime":3323.55,"body":"To veganize those, at least for our families."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3323.95,"endTime":3324.33,"body":"Yeah, definitely."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3324.57,"endTime":3328.41,"body":"But then I think like a big part of Christmas specifically is like the cookie"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3328.41,"endTime":3332.35,"body":"making aspect. Because I think we probably all have memories of like making"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3332.35,"endTime":3335.67,"body":"cookies in the kitchen with our parents. Yeah. Did you used to do that?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3335.75,"endTime":3338.07,"body":"We did cookies, I think, every Christmas. Usually sugar cookies,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3338.23,"endTime":3339.63,"body":"something simple. But yeah, we still did it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3339.91,"endTime":3343.65,"body":"Yeah. We used to make, not necessarily for Christmas, we did do it at Christmas."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3343.65,"endTime":3346.53,"body":"But we make like brownies and stuff like that a couple of times a year."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3346.53,"endTime":3351.35,"body":"So there were a lot of little baking excursions that I had with my mom growing up. Yeah. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3352.05,"endTime":3355.09,"body":"But, like, the good thing is you can do that with vegan stuff. Yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3355.27,"endTime":3360.41,"body":"And, I mean, I feel like veganizing cookie recipes actually isn't that bad. Oh, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3360.51,"endTime":3364.55,"body":"It's like you swap something for the egg, you use soy milk. Like, it's super easy."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3364.73,"endTime":3366.03,"body":"Yeah, butter for vegan butter."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3366.03,"endTime":3369.01,"body":"It tastes no different. I'm actually not even sure at this point why all cookies"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3369.01,"endTime":3370.93,"body":"aren't vegan. Oh, I know. But I guess that's a different conversation."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3372.21,"endTime":3376.47,"body":"But then, you know, if you have, like, kids, you can teach them how to cook"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3376.47,"endTime":3380.65,"body":"vegan cookies. And like you're creating traditions there by teaching them how"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3380.65,"endTime":3382.05,"body":"to cook without animal products."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3382.41,"endTime":3382.51,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3382.79,"endTime":3386.31,"body":"And then I would go a step further to say that your parents,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3386.51,"endTime":3390.87,"body":"if you still have grandparents around, a lot of the things they do around cooking"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3390.87,"endTime":3393.49,"body":"are like a way to show you that they love you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3393.49,"endTime":3398.09,"body":"And so I think when you go vegan, a lot of the hesitancy you'll get from your"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3398.09,"endTime":3402.61,"body":"parents and grandparents is like coming from a place of how do I keep showing"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3402.61,"endTime":3406.47,"body":"you I love you if I've been showing you I love you through the food I've been"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3406.47,"endTime":3408.21,"body":"making for the last several decades, you know?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3408.29,"endTime":3408.95,"body":"Yeah, no, definitely."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3409.31,"endTime":3414.43,"body":"So I think like helping your parents or grandparents figure out how to cook"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3414.43,"endTime":3418.49,"body":"you things that you'll enjoy and still eat and it's not super hard for them"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3418.49,"endTime":3421.77,"body":"to like make substitutions is important. Yeah. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3422.59,"endTime":3425.63,"body":"then they can express their love for you through food still. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3426.05,"endTime":3430.73,"body":"Yeah. And, you know, in my experience, like, that's usually not a big ask."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3430.99,"endTime":3434.23,"body":"Like, they don't really necessarily care if it's real milk or soy milk, you know?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3434.43,"endTime":3438.15,"body":"Right. And I think, you know, your mom always seems kind of excited when she,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3438.31,"endTime":3441.11,"body":"because she'll get different pancake mixes each year, and she'll,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3441.21,"endTime":3442.49,"body":"like, tell us about which one she got."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3442.67,"endTime":3446.53,"body":"And she always gets this, like, vegan butter and vegan, make sure it's vegan"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3446.53,"endTime":3449.27,"body":"syrup. And she seems excited about it, you know?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3449.35,"endTime":3451.53,"body":"Yeah. She usually calls, like, a week or two before. She's like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3451.55,"endTime":3453.39,"body":"oh, I found this new thing. I want to try to make this recipe."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3453.49,"endTime":3455.67,"body":"Does that sound, is that vegan? Is that cool? Is that, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3455.67,"endTime":3459.59,"body":"Yeah. And like my parents kind of go out of their way to make sure that we have vegan stuff too."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3459.75,"endTime":3465.65,"body":"Like they always buy the vegan Breyers ice cream, which is now their new favorite."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3465.77,"endTime":3468.89,"body":"They've always got like a thing of vegan Parmesan cheese or the shaker cheese."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3469.19,"endTime":3470.85,"body":"And then they're like, okay, we'll take this home with you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3471.63,"endTime":3474.41,"body":"Yeah. They're like, oh, well, we don't know what to do with this. So take it home."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3475.59,"endTime":3480.51,"body":"But yeah, I think if your parents can find new ways to cook things that you'll"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3480.51,"endTime":3482.63,"body":"like, it makes them feel good too. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3482.81,"endTime":3486.97,"body":"And so it's like you're sharing traditions like down to your kids and up to your parents."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3487.87,"endTime":3490.09,"body":"Yeah. And another one, this isn't necessarily tied to holidays,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3490.09,"endTime":3492.59,"body":"but like summer cookouts are a big thing for a lot of families."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3492.81,"endTime":3497.45,"body":"I come from a really big family. And so as a kid, my uncle would always do this"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3497.45,"endTime":3499.73,"body":"huge like Fourth of July party in his backyard."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3500.17,"endTime":3503.83,"body":"And it was one of like the few times that I would see all of my cousins at once."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3503.95,"endTime":3507.39,"body":"But it was very focused around like hot dogs and hamburgers and potato salad"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3507.39,"endTime":3511.81,"body":"and like animal products. Did you have summer cookouts like that?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3511.95,"endTime":3514.17,"body":"Yeah, we had a lot of cookouts. Like the one I was talking about where we all"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3514.17,"endTime":3517.51,"body":"camp in my uncle's yard. It was basically a big cookout all weekend long."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3517.71,"endTime":3521.07,"body":"And then, you know, throughout the year, that was kind of how our family,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3521.09,"endTime":3522.69,"body":"our families interacted."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3522.93,"endTime":3526.03,"body":"We're basically like birthday parties and stuff would be like cookouts or something like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3526.21,"endTime":3529.67,"body":"So we ended up doing those quite a bit. And it was always like hot dogs,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3529.81,"endTime":3531.23,"body":"hamburgers, basically. So, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3531.49,"endTime":3534.67,"body":"I mean, the good thing with that is those are pretty easy to veganize,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3534.75,"endTime":3538.77,"body":"right? It's just like hot dog, vegan hot dog, hamburger, vegan hamburger."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3539.05,"endTime":3540.19,"body":"Just literally drop it in."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3540.25,"endTime":3543.53,"body":"It was super easy. Yeah. And, you know, if you're still going to things like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3543.53,"endTime":3544.95,"body":"that, you can always bring, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3545.13,"endTime":3548.93,"body":"you can veganize one of the side dishes that's, like, a classic. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3549.49,"endTime":3551.31,"body":"Teach your family to love vegan food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3551.39,"endTime":3553.21,"body":"There you go. Or don't tell them that it's vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3555.53,"endTime":3558.33,"body":"Well, then they won't tell you if the food they made you is vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3558.35,"endTime":3560.11,"body":"So you've got to be pretty clear."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3560.29,"endTime":3563.77,"body":"But you could also make vegan friends and have a fully vegan cookout with them"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3563.77,"endTime":3565.15,"body":"and start some of your own traditions."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3565.33,"endTime":3565.81,"body":"Yeah, there you go."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3565.99,"endTime":3569.43,"body":"Or if you have kids, make a fully vegan cookout with your kids. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3570.34,"endTime":3576.66,"body":"I just saw on Instagram this morning, Rip Esselstyn, the Plant Strong guy,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3576.84,"endTime":3579.28,"body":"he had two gigantic slabs of tofu."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3579.46,"endTime":3582.38,"body":"And he was just like rubbing barbecue sauce on it and putting it on his grill."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3582.7,"endTime":3585.26,"body":"So he's just like grilling out barbecue tofu slabs."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3585.4,"endTime":3586.14,"body":"That sounds pretty good."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3587.68,"endTime":3591.86,"body":"Yeah. And then also there are some things from like your childhood,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3592.1,"endTime":3593.72,"body":"just like general childhood nostalgia."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3593.98,"endTime":3596.84,"body":"Or maybe you have kids and, you know, some of these foods are going to be like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3596.84,"endTime":3598.0,"body":"come up with some of their core memories."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3599.1,"endTime":3605.1,"body":"so there are uh some things like grilled cheese tomato soup or maybe like uh"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3605.1,"endTime":3608.14,"body":"chicken noodle soup is a go-to when kids get sick that's a big one"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3608.14,"endTime":3609.86,"body":"What did your mom make you when you were sick."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3609.86,"endTime":3612.68,"body":"Yeah chicken noodle soup i think was our big one like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3612.68,"endTime":3616.4,"body":"You're home from school watching price is right eating your little chicken noodle."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3616.4,"endTime":3621.7,"body":"Soup pretty much in bed you just described as often as i could get out of school"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3621.7,"endTime":3625.48,"body":"there are also things like you know you're out playing with your friends in"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3625.48,"endTime":3628.22,"body":"the neighborhood and the ice cream truck rolls by and everybody goes begging"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3628.22,"endTime":3631.62,"body":"for quarters and get some ice cream i doubt you can get ice cream with quarters anymore"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3632.4,"endTime":3639.08,"body":"No i was shocked okay so there's this kona ice truck that's like i uh like basically"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3639.08,"endTime":3640.92,"body":"slushy snow cone type thing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3640.92,"endTime":3643.5,"body":"I think it made an appearance on our last podcast it"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3643.5,"endTime":3646.78,"body":"Drives through our neighborhood and the first time it ever appeared was last"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3646.78,"endTime":3650.64,"body":"year and i was like shocked because i've never lived anywhere that was like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3650.64,"endTime":3654.92,"body":"a neighborhood yeah even like growing up we always lived in like the middle"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3654.92,"endTime":3657.36,"body":"of nowhere there weren't neighborhoods like there weren't,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3657.88,"endTime":3660.02,"body":"ice cream trucks driving through where we lived."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3660.28,"endTime":3660.3,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3660.5,"endTime":3664.1,"body":"So when you said like, oh, it's just like when I had ice cream trucks as a kid,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3664.18,"endTime":3667.04,"body":"I was like, you had ice cream trucks as a kid? That's so crazy."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3667.26,"endTime":3669.6,"body":"I just thought that was in TVs and movie shows."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3669.88,"endTime":3673.5,"body":"So I just thought that was in movies and TV shows."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3673.7,"endTime":3675.3,"body":"Yeah. No, they're real. They're definitely real."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3675.38,"endTime":3676.88,"body":"So that's like a core memory for you."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3676.94,"endTime":3681.12,"body":"And they're not all like monsters that steal kids and go to another dimension."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3682.12,"endTime":3683.54,"body":"I've seen a couple of movies like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3683.76,"endTime":3685.5,"body":"I think that's an episode of charm."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3687.88,"endTime":3692.88,"body":"But then, oh, like a good one for me, I remember is like always eating cereal"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3692.88,"endTime":3696.08,"body":"in the living room, watching Saturday morning cartoons. Did you do that?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3696.18,"endTime":3697.1,"body":"We definitely did that, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3697.22,"endTime":3699.84,"body":"Yeah, I remember me and my brother always did that. On Saturday mornings,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3699.98,"endTime":3704.56,"body":"we'd like wake up first thing, grab a bowl of cereal, sit down and watch a bunch of cartoons."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3704.88,"endTime":3708.94,"body":"Yeah. And then sometimes my dad would come out and he, for some reason, really liked Yu-Gi-Oh!"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3709.3,"endTime":3709.66,"body":"Nice."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3709.7,"endTime":3713.78,"body":"So he would like watch, he would fully be engaged in watching Yu-Gi-Oh!"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3713.92,"endTime":3714.92,"body":"with us, which was great."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3716.78,"endTime":3717.18,"body":"Or"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3717.18,"endTime":3719.06,"body":"Like after school snacks did you have any."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3719.5,"endTime":3722.8,"body":"I think a lot of our after school snacks were actually like fruit like we kept"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3722.8,"endTime":3725.42,"body":"cantaloupe around a lot so we had a lot of cantaloupe and then"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3726.16,"endTime":3729.26,"body":"You know, maybe just something like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich was kind"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3729.26,"endTime":3731.68,"body":"of my go-to for a long time. It's still kind of my go-to."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3732.5,"endTime":3735.12,"body":"Yeah, you eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches a lot, actually."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3735.42,"endTime":3738.48,"body":"Yeah, but I think that's just because, like, you know, I have a little bit of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3738.48,"endTime":3740.52,"body":"nostalgia for them. But, yeah, just stuff like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3740.74,"endTime":3745.8,"body":"And then I think the other one is, like, just random reoccurring foods that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3745.8,"endTime":3748.56,"body":"happen that are, like, core memories that you just remember,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3748.6,"endTime":3752.02,"body":"like, your parents always made this on Wednesday night. Or, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3752.04,"endTime":3755.58,"body":"maybe this was, like, a special morning thing. Do you have any of those?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3755.58,"endTime":3760.32,"body":"Yeah, my mom always used to make egg sandwiches. So she'd like wrap it in aluminum"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3760.32,"endTime":3762.7,"body":"foil and I would take it off to school."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3763.06,"endTime":3765.8,"body":"Oh, wow. She was like all fancy about it. Yeah, yeah. That's kind of cool."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3765.86,"endTime":3769.0,"body":"Those were really good. That was definitely one of my like, it was probably"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3769.0,"endTime":3771.5,"body":"my favorite breakfast growing up was mom making egg sandwiches."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3771.98,"endTime":3777.08,"body":"Yeah. I know my dad, he didn't have many weekends off, but sometimes he would"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3777.08,"endTime":3778.84,"body":"make us crepes on the weekend. Oh, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3778.96,"endTime":3780.16,"body":"Nice. I was talking about fancy."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3780.42,"endTime":3781.88,"body":"So, yeah, we just veganized crepes."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3782.2,"endTime":3784.1,"body":"Oh, my dad makes crepes. No big deal."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3784.58,"endTime":3786.66,"body":"It's literally like three ingredients, though."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3787.3,"endTime":3788.5,"body":"It sounds so fancy."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3788.5,"endTime":3791.12,"body":"It sounds fancy because it's not an American word."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3791.3,"endTime":3792.06,"body":"It's just a thin pancake, right?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3792.14,"endTime":3796.78,"body":"Yeah, pretty much. But then, like, I don't know, for dinners..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3797.66,"endTime":3801.22,"body":"I just remember it was kind of like box pizza."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3801.4,"endTime":3805.44,"body":"I remember those like Chef Boyardee boxes that came with like the pizza dough"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3805.44,"endTime":3808.58,"body":"ingredients that you just add water to it and then you have a dough."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3808.78,"endTime":3814.22,"body":"And then it had like a can of like tomato sauce and then like some shitty Parmesan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3814.54,"endTime":3819.32,"body":"Yeah. We had that like once a week. And then we have like taco night and like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3819.32,"endTime":3824.22,"body":"really big on like fish, sticks and mac and cheese. This is all stuff before I went vegetarian."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3824.44,"endTime":3828.6,"body":"Right. Like, for some reason, when we lived in Ohio, we were eating stuff like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3828.6,"endTime":3831.88,"body":"this, and then we moved, and then it was like my dad and mom were,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3831.96,"endTime":3835.42,"body":"like, cooking more, and I don't know what that's about, but a lot of my childhood"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3835.42,"endTime":3838.66,"body":"memories are like, yeah, we ate a lot of fish sticks and macaroni and cheese. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3838.96,"endTime":3842.28,"body":"You know, like, do you have memories, like, of any foods like that?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3842.86,"endTime":3845.42,"body":"Nothing specific, but we had a lot of stuff like that. I think we just kind"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3845.42,"endTime":3847.92,"body":"of went through a rotation of a bunch of things that are similar to that, really."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3848.12,"endTime":3852.02,"body":"You said you ate a lot of chilies and stuff and, like, spaghetti or something growing up?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3852.02,"endTime":3854.84,"body":"Kind of the go-to, I mean, we did a lot of nights that were like chili,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3855.02,"endTime":3858.0,"body":"spaghetti, lasagna, pork chops, that kind of thing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3858.12,"endTime":3861.76,"body":"So it was like kind of the standard American stuff growing up. But we had a lot of those."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3862.66,"endTime":3867.22,"body":"So I think like, you know, some of this stuff is cool because if you have specific"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3867.22,"endTime":3871.96,"body":"core memories of things you ate when you were a kid, you can easily reinvent those as vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3872.18,"endTime":3876.02,"body":"Yeah. And if you have kids, it's like you can have vegan taco night or,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3876.02,"endTime":3878.5,"body":"you know, vegan make your own pizza night."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3878.64,"endTime":3879.0,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3879.28,"endTime":3884.76,"body":"And like the cereal in Saturday morning cartoons is easy. Just non-dairy milk."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3885.04,"endTime":3885.48,"body":"Yeah, still the same."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3885.64,"endTime":3890.46,"body":"Still pretty much the same. Chicken noodle soup. It can be chick'n noodle soup."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3891.16,"endTime":3891.6,"body":"Chick'n."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3892.22,"endTime":3897.12,"body":"Yeah. And they even make canned soup. Like it can be really easy to veganize"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3897.12,"endTime":3898.7,"body":"these kinds of things, you know? Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3898.76,"endTime":3901.02,"body":"Yeah. I mean, you don't necessarily have to go towards like."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3901.96,"endTime":3904.72,"body":"Okay, we're switching this out for seitan or we're switching this out for tofu."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3904.98,"endTime":3907.22,"body":"We just go for like the packaged alternative."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3907.68,"endTime":3910.44,"body":"Right. Because that's what our parents, at least that's what my parents were using."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3910.68,"endTime":3913.24,"body":"It'd be like fish sticks and mac and cheese. It'd be like, okay,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3913.42,"endTime":3916.82,"body":"Kraft, vegan mac and cheese and Gardein fish sticks. Exactly. Done."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3917.02,"endTime":3917.52,"body":"Basically the same."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3917.8,"endTime":3920.5,"body":"Done. That's a childhood nostalgia memory right there."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3920.62,"endTime":3921.54,"body":"Yeah, for sure."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3921.8,"endTime":3928.54,"body":"And then I think like another one that gives me nostalgia is like friend sleepovers or like."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3928.64,"endTime":3928.92,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3930.14,"endTime":3933.92,"body":"Sometimes I'd have like birthday parties. And almost all of those revolved around pizza."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3934.3,"endTime":3934.66,"body":"Yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3934.84,"endTime":3939.5,"body":"And, like, I remember it was funny because basically I would have,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3939.6,"endTime":3943.7,"body":"like, a limit on how many friends I could have over for my birthdays based on,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3943.72,"endTime":3945.14,"body":"like, how much pizza we needed to buy."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3945.54,"endTime":3949.98,"body":"You know, like, there was, like, a budget. It was like, okay, you get seven friends."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3950.1,"endTime":3951.06,"body":"Yeah, that's funny."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3951.26,"endTime":3954.4,"body":"And then I just remember, like, this was back when coupons were a thing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3954.5,"endTime":3956.8,"body":"Yeah. And I just remember my dad would be, like, going through,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3956.88,"endTime":3960.9,"body":"like, the weekly newspaper trying to figure out, like, which pizza place should"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3960.9,"endTime":3963.6,"body":"I, which one can I get the best deal? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3963.82,"endTime":3967.12,"body":"And it was, like, you can only get one topping. What toppings do you guys want?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3967.14,"endTime":3969.76,"body":"Yeah, the one topping special. Yeah. I'm right there with you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3971.06,"endTime":3973.96,"body":"But, like, I think, you know, you can veganize that pretty easy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3974.14,"endTime":3974.38,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3974.66,"endTime":3978.08,"body":"Because a lot of, like, pizza places offer vegan cheese now."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3978.2,"endTime":3978.4,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3978.4,"endTime":3982.32,"body":"But even if they don't, like, what I actually think might be even more fun is"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3982.32,"endTime":3984.66,"body":"if you're having, like, a birthday party for your kid or, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3984.72,"endTime":3988.06,"body":"just having friends over or just doing pizza night. It's, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3988.14,"endTime":3989.4,"body":"make your own vegan pizza night."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3989.58,"endTime":3989.78,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3990.16,"endTime":3994.16,"body":"You can buy, like, pre-made crusts and just, like, add your own toppings."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3994.24,"endTime":3995.84,"body":"And I just think that's kind of fun."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3995.98,"endTime":3999.44,"body":"Yeah. Pizza's a good one to kind of make as a, you know, group activity or whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3999.62,"endTime":4001.94,"body":"Yeah. It's really simple. Kind of hard to screw up, really."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4002.26,"endTime":4006.0,"body":"And then, you know, unless you burn it. Yeah, yeah. It's hard to screw up the prep for the most part."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4006.0,"endTime":4010.52,"body":"And I feel like it's a really good one for like core memory making. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4010.76,"endTime":4014.22,"body":"Because it's like, oh, you know, I remember making pizza with my parent. It was funny."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4014.34,"endTime":4018.3,"body":"I was talking to your sister the other day and she was saying that she and her"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4018.3,"endTime":4020.88,"body":"daughter make pizzas. Oh, that's cool. They make homemade pizza night."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4021.02,"endTime":4021.18,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4021.82,"endTime":4022.7,"body":"Did you know they did that?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4022.82,"endTime":4023.62,"body":"No, I didn't know that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4023.62,"endTime":4027.24,"body":"I know more about his sister than he does. But I just thought that was so cool."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4027.32,"endTime":4029.16,"body":"She said they even make homemade pizza crust and stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4029.28,"endTime":4029.72,"body":"That's pretty cool."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4030.02,"endTime":4032.92,"body":"Yeah. I just think that's a fun one. Easy to veganize. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4033.32,"endTime":4036.38,"body":"And then, like, as a kid, you have birthday parties. There's pretty much always"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4036.38,"endTime":4037.38,"body":"a birthday cake involved."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4037.52,"endTime":4039.52,"body":"Usually that comes with some ice cream, stuff like that. Like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4039.54,"endTime":4043.08,"body":"that was always our birthday parties were store cake and ice cream, basically."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4043.46,"endTime":4045.7,"body":"Yeah. You know, we always had ice cream sitting around anyway."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4045.9,"endTime":4049.62,"body":"But, yeah, that was another big one, which is another pretty easy one to swap"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4049.62,"endTime":4052.86,"body":"out on the ice cream side, at least. The cake side can be a little more tricky."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4053.0,"endTime":4054.88,"body":"It's a little trickier to find a vegan birthday cake."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4055.36,"endTime":4059.12,"body":"Yeah. But, you know, you can make like a homemade one even with like a cake"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4059.12,"endTime":4062.12,"body":"mix pretty easily. Most of the cake mixes are naturally vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4062.3,"endTime":4066.44,"body":"So you just need to find some options to switch in there for what you would"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4066.44,"endTime":4068.64,"body":"normally use eggs for pretty much. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4068.74,"endTime":4072.18,"body":"Also, it is significantly easier to find vegan cupcakes. So you could always"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4072.18,"endTime":4074.12,"body":"go with cupcake birthdays instead of a full cake."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4074.62,"endTime":4078.82,"body":"Or, you know, you can look and see if you have a bakery in the area that might do vegan options."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4078.9,"endTime":4082.74,"body":"Yeah, definitely. Because we have, like, a couple really awesome vegan bakeries in Chicago."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4083.44,"endTime":4085.5,"body":"Oh, yeah, man. If I was a vegan kid in Chicago,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4085.66,"endTime":4086.14,"body":"It would be so. Oh, my God."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4088.16,"endTime":4092.8,"body":"Speaking of Pie Pie My Darling, which is, like, our favorite vegan Chicago bakery,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4093.46,"endTime":4096.38,"body":"they always do some really cool shit for Pride Month. And I just,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4096.52,"endTime":4100.08,"body":"like, am so excited to see her, like, full rainbow menu coming out."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4100.32,"endTime":4102.64,"body":"Not that you mention it. I think my birthday's tomorrow. Is it?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4102.76,"endTime":4107.18,"body":"Yeah. Yeah, I think, you know, birthday cakes and ice cream,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4107.4,"endTime":4108.76,"body":"pretty easy one to veganize."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4108.76,"endTime":4114.2,"body":"And also, you know, maybe you build that memory with your kid where you guys"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4114.2,"endTime":4118.82,"body":"like make a birthday cake for dad or make a birthday cake for mom in the kitchen together."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4119.12,"endTime":4119.26,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4119.58,"endTime":4122.48,"body":"Because that's something I remember not necessarily about my birthday,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4122.62,"endTime":4126.28,"body":"but like just helping my mom make a birthday cake for my dad."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4126.52,"endTime":4126.72,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4127.08,"endTime":4127.56,"body":"You know?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4127.78,"endTime":4128.0,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4128.99,"endTime":4133.83,"body":"I actually always got ice cream cakes because I actually mostly hate cake."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4134.01,"endTime":4136.45,"body":"We got ice cream cakes a few times. Dairy Queen ice cream cake, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4136.75,"endTime":4141.99,"body":"There's actually, if you're in Chicago, there's a vegan ice cream place that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4141.99,"endTime":4143.09,"body":"has vegan ice cream cakes."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4143.23,"endTime":4144.59,"body":"And they make it in the shape of a unicorn."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4144.85,"endTime":4148.93,"body":"They will. They will make it a unicorn cake if you want. It's called Runaway Cow."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4149.15,"endTime":4150.67,"body":"Yeah. Those are really good."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4150.71,"endTime":4151.21,"body":"They're really great."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4151.23,"endTime":4152.93,"body":"They tasted just like the Dairy Queen cake. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4152.93,"endTime":4153.75,"body":"It was crazy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4154.17,"endTime":4154.35,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4154.65,"endTime":4159.83,"body":"So, yeah. You can definitely veganize that stuff. and also like create nostalgia for your child."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4160.03,"endTime":4163.51,"body":"And I will just say like on this like nostalgia type stuff, you know,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4163.61,"endTime":4166.83,"body":"I think all of us probably have like some nostalgia around food and you might"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4166.83,"endTime":4172.83,"body":"be worried if I'm raising a child vegan, are they going to be deprived of like the nostalgia I feel?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4173.11,"endTime":4176.53,"body":"But I think the way you can ensure that doesn't happen is to like make things"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4176.53,"endTime":4179.67,"body":"special and make sure you're trying to create like future memories with them,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4179.81,"endTime":4184.81,"body":"involve them in cooking, you know, make like special nights around food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4184.81,"endTime":4187.13,"body":"Yeah, I mean, and if you think about it, it makes sense. Because,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4187.25,"endTime":4191.01,"body":"like, when I think about all these memories around food, my memory isn't like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4191.11,"endTime":4193.37,"body":"Dad had milk in it. Yeah, yeah. Like, it's not."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4193.53,"endTime":4195.93,"body":"It's not even really about the taste. Yeah, it's not. You know,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4196.03,"endTime":4200.67,"body":"like, when I'm thinking about my dad, like, rifling through the coupons of the"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4200.67,"endTime":4202.93,"body":"newspaper for which is the best pizza deal."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4203.13,"endTime":4203.35,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4203.61,"endTime":4205.57,"body":"And, like, oh, yeah, I get to have pizza at my birthday party."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4205.61,"endTime":4209.05,"body":"It wasn't like, oh, man, that was some really good pizza. It was just like..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4209.59,"endTime":4212.17,"body":"Wow, like my dad let me have a pizza party with my friends."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4212.29,"endTime":4214.75,"body":"Yeah, if that had been a vegan pizza, the memory would be exactly the same."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4214.83,"endTime":4215.53,"body":"It'd be identical. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4215.77,"endTime":4220.73,"body":"Also, if you are traveling, you might have some, you know, memories or nostalgia"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4220.73,"endTime":4224.05,"body":"from your childhood or just like growing up with your family around travel."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4224.61,"endTime":4228.99,"body":"Yeah. I know for me, we didn't go on vacation very often, but when we did,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4229.09,"endTime":4231.31,"body":"it was almost always Myrtle Beach, South Carolina."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4231.57,"endTime":4235.99,"body":"Yeah. And like the big part of the travel was like going to seafood restaurants."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4236.29,"endTime":4236.51,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4236.51,"endTime":4239.91,"body":"Which I remember after I was a vegetarian became kind of like harder because"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4239.91,"endTime":4243.19,"body":"there wasn't a whole lot I could eat at those, obviously."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4243.41,"endTime":4247.49,"body":"You know, do you have any?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4248.25,"endTime":4253.31,"body":"We didn't really travel a lot when I was growing up. But once I started working,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4253.61,"endTime":4255.11,"body":"I ended up traveling quite a bit for work."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4255.15,"endTime":4257.89,"body":"So I'd go to a lot of different states and stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4258.11,"endTime":4261.99,"body":"And I would like kind of my go to thing was to like try the barbecue place because"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4261.99,"endTime":4264.75,"body":"I'd go to like Missouri and Texas and stuff like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4264.85,"endTime":4267.87,"body":"That was kind of known for the barbecue. so I'd go and try like new barbecue"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4267.87,"endTime":4271.85,"body":"spots wherever I ended up so that was kind of my go-to thing so you know now"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4271.85,"endTime":4275.55,"body":"whenever we travel it's like still looking out for like okay what is this area"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4275.55,"endTime":4278.69,"body":"known for but like what's the vegan version yeah so kind of do the same thing"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4278.69,"endTime":4281.69,"body":"It's funny you mentioned barbecue because so I"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4281.69,"endTime":4285.45,"body":"lived in Memphis for like almost five years and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4285.45,"endTime":4288.65,"body":"man when I first got there everyone was trying to recommend"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4288.65,"endTime":4292.67,"body":"barbecue restaurants to me and I'm just like I don't eat meat it was really"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4292.67,"endTime":4296.03,"body":"awkward yeah and then i actually did a lot of training or a lot of traveling"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4296.03,"endTime":4299.95,"body":"to texas too for work yeah and it was like they just constantly were trying"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4299.95,"endTime":4307.25,"body":"to take us to barbecue places and it's like i uh i guess i can eat some bread right yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4308.05,"endTime":4312.07,"body":"Yeah, like, it's probably the only thing. There may be green beans. Yeah, maybe."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4312.35,"endTime":4315.69,"body":"I don't know. Sometimes it could. Yeah. It's pretty rough."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4316.19,"endTime":4319.33,"body":"Yeah. But yeah, no, that's pretty much the main thing for me."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4319.45,"endTime":4322.69,"body":"Like, traveling is just traveling for work and then trying to figure out,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4322.93,"endTime":4326.13,"body":"like, what is the area known for? I kind of like that kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4326.55,"endTime":4330.25,"body":"And I think the good thing is Happy Cow exists."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4330.45,"endTime":4330.77,"body":"Oh, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4331.01,"endTime":4334.81,"body":"So you look that shit up before you even travel. I know it's funny because you"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4334.81,"endTime":4338.41,"body":"still travel for work and now I'm doing the recipe creation full time."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4338.55,"endTime":4340.73,"body":"So I don't luckily don't have to travel for work anymore."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4340.97,"endTime":4343.87,"body":"But I'll look up stuff for you before you go on your trip. And I'm like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4343.93,"endTime":4345.43,"body":"here are some places you should maybe go."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4345.53,"endTime":4346.61,"body":"That's really helpful. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4348.22,"endTime":4351.74,"body":"And then, like, for us, one of our favorite places to go was Gatlinburg,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4351.88,"endTime":4355.1,"body":"but after going there a couple times, it was, like, there was just not much"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4355.1,"endTime":4358.22,"body":"in the way of vegan food. So, we decided to go to Wisconsin,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4358.22,"endTime":4360.3,"body":"and now we do a yearly trip to Milwaukee."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4360.66,"endTime":4360.98,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4361.3,"endTime":4362.98,"body":"Which isn't that far from our place, but."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4362.98,"endTime":4363.96,"body":"It has a lot of great vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4363.96,"endTime":4367.86,"body":"It has a lot of really good vegan food. They've, like, got woodsy places for"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4367.86,"endTime":4369.64,"body":"taking nature walks, and they do a lot."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4369.8,"endTime":4372.72,"body":"We go around Halloween, so they have a bunch of Halloween-type stuff we can do."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4372.8,"endTime":4376.64,"body":"I'll give a shout-out. If you're ever in Milwaukee, go to Vanguard and get the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4376.64,"endTime":4378.38,"body":"tofu specials. They're amazing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4378.78,"endTime":4381.42,"body":"The tofu at Vanguard is the best tofu I've ever had."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4381.54,"endTime":4385.14,"body":"Yeah. It's the best tofu I've ever had, too, I think. Yeah. It's definitely"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4385.14,"endTime":4388.36,"body":"the tofu you take somebody to who's like, tofu sucks. Oh, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4388.46,"endTime":4389.5,"body":"Absolutely. You're like, okay, we're going here."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4389.52,"endTime":4390.56,"body":"I'm going to change your mind."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4390.74,"endTime":4391.06,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4391.24,"endTime":4395.74,"body":"Yeah, I think this year will be, what, the third or fourth year we've gone to Wisconsin."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4395.92,"endTime":4396.76,"body":"Yeah, third year, I think."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4397.02,"endTime":4400.62,"body":"But it's like a really cool tradition that we decided to make around vegan restaurants."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4400.62,"endTime":4406.22,"body":"It's like, so, yeah, basically now when we travel, we look at cities and see"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4406.22,"endTime":4411.0,"body":"which cities have the best vegan food so that the vacation can kind of be like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4411.0,"endTime":4412.96,"body":"let's try all the local vegan food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4413.08,"endTime":4413.3,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4413.74,"endTime":4416.96,"body":"Which I think is a fun way to do it. And if you have kids, I think that's also"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4416.96,"endTime":4418.46,"body":"a fun way to pick locations."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4418.86,"endTime":4419.26,"body":"Yeah, definitely."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4419.56,"endTime":4424.14,"body":"And I would say, you know, if you do have kids, I think most parents tend to"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4424.14,"endTime":4426.34,"body":"do like beach vacations for the most part."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4426.86,"endTime":4426.98,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4427.24,"endTime":4430.3,"body":"There are a lot of places in Florida that have great vegan options."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4430.62,"endTime":4433.48,"body":"Because they're, like, larger cities and stuff. And if you're doing,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4433.64,"endTime":4436.92,"body":"like, Disney World or Universal, I keep seeing people post about really,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4437.04,"endTime":4439.46,"body":"they've, like, really upped their vegan options at the parks."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4439.72,"endTime":4442.58,"body":"Interesting, yeah. Definitely helpful for trying to raise kids that are vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4444.1,"endTime":4448.36,"body":"Hopefully they have vegan options for how much they make you pay to get in the parks. Yeah, man."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4450.18,"endTime":4453.46,"body":"You can also try to veganize some of the regional classics at home."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4453.46,"endTime":4456.76,"body":"There are a lot of recipe blogs, especially recipe blogs that are like specific"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4456.76,"endTime":4461.74,"body":"to some particular thing, like some country's cuisine or some like barbecue"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4461.74,"endTime":4463.88,"body":"vegan website or something like that. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4464.06,"endTime":4467.46,"body":"And I think that's kind of fun. Gosh, what was that? Um..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4468.5,"endTime":4475.12,"body":"I think it was Gilmore Girls. There was that one episode where her mom basically"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4475.12,"endTime":4481.36,"body":"made a bunch of dishes from various places, like locations in Europe or something."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4481.58,"endTime":4483.96,"body":"And they had like a little like a tasting party. And it was kind of like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4484.3,"endTime":4488.06,"body":"yeah, we can't go to Europe together. But like, yeah, you know what I mean?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4488.18,"endTime":4489.54,"body":"Go around the world right here in the kitchen."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4489.88,"endTime":4494.28,"body":"I think that's like really cool. Yeah. Pick a different country each month."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4494.46,"endTime":4494.68,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4495.2,"endTime":4498.06,"body":"Veganize those. Yeah. You can travel without going anywhere."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4498.06,"endTime":4500.94,"body":"There you go. And there are a lot of other examples of this kind of stuff,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4501.08,"endTime":4503.46,"body":"you know, as somebody goes through life. But the last one we're going to touch"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4503.46,"endTime":4505.94,"body":"on here is like a workplace and school culture."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4506.28,"endTime":4509.0,"body":"Because that's probably the most applicable one for everybody as an adult."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4509.5,"endTime":4510.98,"body":"Like the one you run into the most."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4510.98,"endTime":4515.2,"body":"Yeah. I would say like donuts in the break room are a big one."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4515.48,"endTime":4520.46,"body":"Or even they used to do, man, what was it?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4520.52,"endTime":4524.4,"body":"I think it was like in Memphis, some vendor always brought in like chicken biscuits"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4524.4,"endTime":4527.82,"body":"or something from some restaurant. Did you have anything like that at work?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4527.96,"endTime":4531.3,"body":"Yeah, we had one where it's like whoever came in last that day in the office"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4531.3,"endTime":4533.94,"body":"would bring in a bunch of sausage biscuits from Wendy's or something like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4533.98,"endTime":4535.14,"body":"Maybe it was sausage biscuits."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4535.5,"endTime":4539.54,"body":"Or we had, you know, like every time we had a vendor or something like that,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4539.6,"endTime":4540.66,"body":"they wanted to try to pitch us something."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4540.82,"endTime":4544.22,"body":"We'd have them go grab barbecue from a local barbecue place for our lunch and things like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4545.23,"endTime":4548.33,"body":"Yeah, I think those ones are pretty easy to veganize because you could become"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4548.33,"endTime":4550.11,"body":"the person who brings in vegan donuts."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4550.51,"endTime":4555.61,"body":"Or maybe you, like, make vegan muffins once a week or a month and teach people"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4555.61,"endTime":4557.23,"body":"about good vegan food. There you go."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4557.41,"endTime":4561.07,"body":"And, you know, if there is a local donut shop that does vegan donuts,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4561.27,"endTime":4565.47,"body":"maybe you can convince whoever the normal donut picker-upper is to go there."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4565.71,"endTime":4568.59,"body":"Yeah, vegan donuts don't taste much different than non-vegan donuts."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4568.73,"endTime":4570.83,"body":"So it's a pretty easy swap if you can find a place that makes them."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4571.19,"endTime":4573.29,"body":"Voodoo Donuts has some great vegan donuts."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4573.45,"endTime":4577.53,"body":"Oh, yeah, for sure. And then also like fundraiser bake sale type things,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4577.53,"endTime":4578.93,"body":"you can make the vegan option there."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4579.23,"endTime":4582.89,"body":"Yeah. These would be more around usually schools. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4583.09,"endTime":4589.07,"body":"But actually I ran the United Way campaign when I was in Memphis and we did"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4589.07,"endTime":4593.07,"body":"a bake sale that raised like a couple thousand dollars for United Way."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4593.33,"endTime":4593.53,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4593.77,"endTime":4597.67,"body":"And it, you know, you could, you could bring vegan stuff there because I'm looking"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4597.67,"endTime":4600.85,"body":"back and it's like I was a vegetarian back then and I don't remember a single"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4600.85,"endTime":4602.09,"body":"vegan option now that I'm thinking."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4602.45,"endTime":4606.33,"body":"Yeah. We'd get, like, 80 entries and not a single vegan one that I can remember, so."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4606.47,"endTime":4608.83,"body":"Yeah, and when it comes to baked goods, it's good to remember that,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4608.85,"endTime":4611.41,"body":"like, the vegan option also helps the lactose intolerant people."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4611.59,"endTime":4615.33,"body":"Yeah. No, it's better for everyone, really, if you have options."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4615.53,"endTime":4615.69,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4615.97,"endTime":4616.71,"body":"More inclusive."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4617.25,"endTime":4620.35,"body":"Also, the office potlucks, we actually used to have a lot of these at work."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4620.99,"endTime":4622.89,"body":"So, you bring the vegan option there."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4623.95,"endTime":4627.65,"body":"Sometimes there'll be, like, a list of what everybody's bringing,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4627.67,"endTime":4631.11,"body":"so you try to make sure, like, all the dietary preferences are covered and stuff like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4631.31,"endTime":4640.19,"body":"Yeah. I know at work, my latest job, we used to do like usually one or two potlucks a year. And before..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4641.21,"endTime":4644.69,"body":"I really mentioned the vegan thing. There weren't really many vegan options."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4644.89,"endTime":4648.87,"body":"But then my boss kind of picked up that I like on the fact that I really didn't"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4648.87,"endTime":4650.55,"body":"participate in the potluck."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4650.69,"endTime":4654.55,"body":"And so then the next time he actually when he was doing the potluck sign up,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4654.77,"endTime":4657.75,"body":"he added a column that was just like vegan, yes or no."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4657.93,"endTime":4660.67,"body":"And then there was also somebody that followed a Muslim diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4660.89,"endTime":4661.13,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4661.63,"endTime":4665.97,"body":"And so then it would say, you know, pork, yes or no. And then it made people"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4665.97,"endTime":4669.77,"body":"think when they were like adding to the list, is there going to be something"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4669.77,"endTime":4673.17,"body":"that the vegan and the person who doesn't eat pork can eat here?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4673.37,"endTime":4675.95,"body":"Right. And it seemed like people were a lot more conscious of it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4676.05,"endTime":4678.71,"body":"And there were actually like a ton of vegan dishes."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4679.19,"endTime":4679.33,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4679.95,"endTime":4683.91,"body":"So I think if you bring that up, a lot of people, once they realize you're being"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4683.91,"endTime":4686.25,"body":"left out of something, people are a lot more..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4687.18,"endTime":4691.98,"body":"likely to like veganize something and bring they don't people don't want you"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4691.98,"endTime":4695.16,"body":"to feel like you're just completely left out i think a lot of times they don't"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4695.16,"endTime":4697.78,"body":"even know yeah you're being excluded right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4697.78,"endTime":4702.54,"body":"Yeah like you know they're not on your side you're like eating every day so"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4702.54,"endTime":4705.64,"body":"you remember that you're vegan right right but like from their perspective they"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4705.64,"endTime":4708.68,"body":"like eat with you maybe once or twice a year they don't really think about the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4708.68,"endTime":4710.22,"body":"fact that you're vegan when they go to pick food and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4710.22,"endTime":4713.16,"body":"Whatever i think the other thing is especially with a potluck you're kind of"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4713.16,"endTime":4717.1,"body":"like oh i'm gonna bring this thing that i'm known for and you don't really think"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4717.1,"endTime":4721.72,"body":"you kind of just like someone else is going to make sure there's a vegan option also."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4721.72,"endTime":4724.64,"body":"A lot of the time with these office potlucks it's the only thing they know how to cook"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4724.64,"endTime":4728.56,"body":"Right exactly yeah but i think like what's interesting is once you get that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4728.56,"endTime":4732.04,"body":"sign-up sheet and you add that column of like vegan and then everything is like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4732.04,"endTime":4736.84,"body":"no no no no no no then people go back and look and they're like oh so that person's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4736.84,"endTime":4740.62,"body":"not participating right and then they start like which is i think what happened"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4740.62,"endTime":4744.58,"body":"at my office and then there were like seven or eight vegan things so you."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4744.58,"endTime":4748.02,"body":"Can be the person who brings in the vegan options and then another one is like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4748.02,"endTime":4752.7,"body":"classroom treats for your kids at school so they'll have like little parties"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4752.7,"endTime":4754.94,"body":"of it to bring in some kind of thing for the whole class or"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4754.94,"endTime":4759.1,"body":"Whatever yeah like birthday parties valentine's day i don't know do schools"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4759.1,"endTime":4763.6,"body":"celebrate christmas because i remember i think we had a jehovah witness in our"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient 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like some kind of a treat or they'll bring"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4788.04,"endTime":4792.02,"body":"in a treat on their birthday yeah but you know you make sure that's a vegan"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4792.02,"endTime":4794.3,"body":"cookie or a vegan rice krispie treat yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4794.3,"endTime":4796.08,"body":"That one's pretty easy. Make sure there's no nuts in it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4796.38,"endTime":4800.54,"body":"Yeah. Honestly, having a vegan option for kids is better anyways because there's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4800.54,"endTime":4806.12,"body":"a lot of lactose intolerant children that can't eat anything at these parties. And then I think,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4806.9,"endTime":4810.48,"body":"You know, if you have a kid that's vegan, make sure you tell the teacher so"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4810.48,"endTime":4812.22,"body":"that the teacher can tell all the parents, too."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4812.42,"endTime":4816.6,"body":"Not to say that all the parents are going to bring in a vegan option."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4816.66,"endTime":4817.34,"body":"It's good to know."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4817.62,"endTime":4817.94,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4818.2,"endTime":4820.28,"body":"So they can decide if they want to make a vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4820.3,"endTime":4822.52,"body":"Yeah, at least they'll know, like, there's a kid in there that might not be"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4822.52,"endTime":4824.56,"body":"able to eat anything you're bringing in. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4824.62,"endTime":4828.9,"body":"Yeah, so I think some of the key takeaways here are, like, once you start veganizing"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4828.9,"endTime":4831.94,"body":"some of these traditions, you'll learn that the actual food,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4832.32,"endTime":4834.84,"body":"like, the ingredients in the food was never really the point of that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4835.08,"endTime":4835.28,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4835.28,"endTime":4839.64,"body":"So the traditions and those memories are special because they give you a sense"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4839.64,"endTime":4844.94,"body":"of belonging or a sense of ritual and time and bonding with your family."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4845.18,"endTime":4848.42,"body":"And then also, you know, the celebration and all the comfort that comes along with those things."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4848.8,"endTime":4852.44,"body":"Yeah. And you don't need animal products to create the same feeling with your"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4852.44,"endTime":4854.2,"body":"family and maybe your kids."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4854.7,"endTime":4860.1,"body":"And you can help your kids create new and future nostalgia by doing like a vegan"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4860.1,"endTime":4863.18,"body":"taco Tuesday or vegan chicken noodle soup when they're sick."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4863.64,"endTime":4866.34,"body":"or the coolest make-your-own-pizza parties for birthdays."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4866.68,"endTime":4870.98,"body":"Yeah. Make-your-own-pizza parties. I never did one of those, but that sounds like it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4870.98,"endTime":4874.68,"body":"Doesn't it sound like fun? I know. It almost makes me want to have your nieces"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4874.68,"endTime":4877.64,"body":"and nephews over and do like a make-your-own-pizza party."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4877.82,"endTime":4882.72,"body":"Yeah, that'd be fun. And, you know, in general, traditions are kind of always"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4882.72,"endTime":4885.0,"body":"evolving. Food culture is always changing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4885.82,"endTime":4889.22,"body":"So try to let it change in a way that aligns with your values."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4890.04,"endTime":4893.38,"body":"Teach the people you know, your parents, your family or friends about vegan"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4893.38,"endTime":4897.34,"body":"foods and teach them how to make them so they can keep showing you love and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4897.34,"endTime":4898.46,"body":"compassion through their food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4898.62,"endTime":4902.98,"body":"Because a lot of times you give people, you know, the opportunity to like say"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4902.98,"endTime":4907.14,"body":"I'm vegan and they'll step up and be like, OK, I'm going to make this."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4907.28,"endTime":4909.82,"body":"I'm going to make this because like you said earlier, that's one of the ways"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4909.82,"endTime":4911.56,"body":"that people show that they love you is with food."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4911.84,"endTime":4912.18,"body":"Absolutely."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4912.6,"endTime":4916.44,"body":"OK, now let's get into our myth of the week this week, which is that you can't"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4916.44,"endTime":4918.48,"body":"get enough omega-3s without eating fish."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4919.43,"endTime":4923.33,"body":"So, omega-3s are essential fatty acids. They come from a variety of foods,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4923.35,"endTime":4926.77,"body":"but are mostly associated with fish because they have a lot of it in there."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4926.97,"endTime":4927.11,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4927.95,"endTime":4932.57,"body":"So, vegans can get omega-3s from sources like hemp seeds, flax,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4932.75,"endTime":4935.45,"body":"and walnuts, but it comes from a form called ALA."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4935.73,"endTime":4939.49,"body":"But the forms the body uses are actually called DHA and EPA."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4940.25,"endTime":4945.59,"body":"So, you can eat ELAs."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4945.69,"endTime":4947.85,"body":"The problem is just that the conversion is really inefficient."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4947.85,"endTime":4953.23,"body":"So you're going to need to have a lot more ALA in the vegan forms than you would"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4953.23,"endTime":4955.35,"body":"need from like fish or something like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4956.19,"endTime":4961.85,"body":"So you can, though, take algae oil supplements for direct EPA and DHA supplementation"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4961.85,"endTime":4963.65,"body":"as vegan. You can also eat seaweed."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4964.39,"endTime":4969.51,"body":"But seaweed is like a little weird because I think with both iodine and the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4969.51,"endTime":4971.67,"body":"omega-3s, the dosing can be pretty variable."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4972.05,"endTime":4974.93,"body":"So it's like if you eat too much seaweed, you can kind of get a little too much"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4974.93,"endTime":4975.93,"body":"of some of the stuff you need."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4976.07,"endTime":4978.45,"body":"So you have to be a little careful with that. Plus, it's going to be hard to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4978.45,"endTime":4980.51,"body":"eat enough seaweed to get some of these nutrients in."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4980.77,"endTime":4985.19,"body":"Now, why do you need omega-3? Should everyone be taking omega-3s?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4985.35,"endTime":4989.05,"body":"So, not necessarily. You want to make sure you're at least getting the recommended amount."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4989.47,"endTime":4992.85,"body":"It helps with heart health and inflammation and things like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4993.03,"endTime":4997.79,"body":"Plus, one of the more important things over time is to manage the ratio of your"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4997.79,"endTime":4999.69,"body":"omega-6s to your omega-3s."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4999.79,"endTime":5003.13,"body":"And you get omega-6s from some of the oils and things like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5004.09,"endTime":5008.23,"body":"So taking omega-3s basically just helps keep that ratio and balance a little"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5008.23,"endTime":5012.39,"body":"better, which has been linked with better cardiovascular health,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5012.83,"endTime":5015.03,"body":"lower risk of heart disease, things like that over time."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5015.47,"endTime":5018.63,"body":"So at the very minimum, you want to make sure you're at least getting the recommended amount."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5019.38,"endTime":5024.22,"body":"It's recommended that you get, if you're doing ALA, two to four grams of ALA every day."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5025.26,"endTime":5026.32,"body":"That seems like a lot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5026.54,"endTime":5030.44,"body":"It is kind of a lot. You probably get that from like throughout the day,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5030.64,"endTime":5033.86,"body":"you sprinkle flax and chia and walnut on top of things you're eating."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5034.04,"endTime":5035.88,"body":"It's typically the way that the vegans would go about it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5036.6,"endTime":5043.1,"body":"But if you're just doing the EPA DHA directly, you only need about 250 to 500 milligrams a day."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5043.2,"endTime":5047.0,"body":"So significantly less if you're just doing it in the direct form and not having"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5047.0,"endTime":5050.22,"body":"to go through that inefficient conversion. Some research also suggests that"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5050.22,"endTime":5054.44,"body":"trying to get a few grams a day of EPA and DHA could provide further benefits."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5055.16,"endTime":5058.86,"body":"But that can be pretty expensive. I see a thread actually a lot on Reddit where"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5058.86,"endTime":5063.62,"body":"somebody's like, I just found out I'm supposed to get like three grams or four grams of EPA DHA a day."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5064.18,"endTime":5066.84,"body":"The only real way to do that is with algae oil supplementation."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5067.22,"endTime":5070.62,"body":"And if you're doing it with the few algae oil supplements we have out there,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5070.7,"endTime":5071.64,"body":"that's like $100 a month."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5072.26,"endTime":5075.5,"body":"Yeah. You're having to take like, what, five or six, seven, eight pills? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5076.02,"endTime":5078.8,"body":"So I think most people are just going to have to settle for getting less than"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5078.8,"endTime":5083.06,"body":"that because it's extremely expensive for a vegan to get those like higher dosages."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5083.22,"endTime":5087.16,"body":"But there's also not a super strong link for those higher dosages being super helpful."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5087.32,"endTime":5089.96,"body":"So I would just try to make sure you're getting either the two to four grams"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5089.96,"endTime":5092.44,"body":"of ALA a day or just use the algae oil supplements."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5093.14,"endTime":5097.24,"body":"There are only a couple of brands out there. I like the Nordic Naturals algae"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5097.24,"endTime":5099.2,"body":"oil supplement because it's got a pretty high dose."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5099.48,"endTime":5102.58,"body":"Not very cheap, but again, none of them are very cheap. So, yeah,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5102.74,"endTime":5106.22,"body":"you can definitely get enough omega-3s without eating fish. especially if you're"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5106.22,"endTime":5109.02,"body":"just targeting the normal recommended amount and you're not trying to get some"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5109.02,"endTime":5111.0,"body":"of the more optimal amounts that people are talking about."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5111.4,"endTime":5114.98,"body":"So don't worry about that too much. But I would pretty liberally use flax,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5115.24,"endTime":5117.66,"body":"chia, walnuts, hemp seed, stuff like that. Chia, chia, chia."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5118.1,"endTime":5121.1,"body":"Yeah. I like to mix flax seed in my oatmeal. I think a lot of people also do"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5121.1,"endTime":5122.32,"body":"that with like chia seeds and stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5122.56,"endTime":5122.72,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5123.24,"endTime":5124.34,"body":"And then walnuts, I don't know"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5124.34,"endTime":5126.5,"body":"about walnuts on oatmeal, but you can put walnuts in all kinds of stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5127.75,"endTime":5131.31,"body":"Just watch the calories. Cool. And then for our Deficient Vegan updates,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5131.57,"endTime":5134.29,"body":"we have our book club giveaway coming up."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5134.77,"endTime":5139.35,"body":"It's going to be launching on Monday on Instagram. So be there or be square."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5139.59,"endTime":5142.49,"body":"And then you'll see more information on that when that post comes out."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5142.77,"endTime":5146.81,"body":"Yeah. Basically, you'll be able to enter by commenting and or tagging people."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5147.09,"endTime":5151.53,"body":"I think we're doing unlimited entries. 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So you're going to need that if you're in the book club probably."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5178.35,"endTime":5182.73,"body":"And then there is a fun new feature on the Deficient Vegans website, deficientvegans.com,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5183.29,"endTime":5186.51,"body":"where there's a little microphone button in the bottom right corner now and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5186.51,"endTime":5189.83,"body":"you can leave us a voicemail and then if you leave us a voicemail and you give"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5189.83,"endTime":5194.31,"body":"us permission to use your actual voice audio file we may use it on the podcast"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5194.31,"endTime":5197.41,"body":"if it's something we can answer a question for or if you don't want to have"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5197.41,"endTime":5201.83,"body":"the actual audio played we can just kind of read it and answer it on the podcast that way and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5201.83,"endTime":5205.77,"body":"We've actually also been posting on the deficient vegan social media channels"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5205.77,"endTime":5209.93,"body":"with like carousels covering the topics of the podcast is that something that you might want to."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5209.93,"endTime":5213.59,"body":"Share it's a definitely an easy way to kind of share the high level topics even"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5213.59,"endTime":5215.25,"body":"if you can't get somebody to listen to the whole episode it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5216.27,"endTime":5220.51,"body":"One that's been shared a bunch recently is our one on veganism and masculinity."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5220.71,"endTime":5221.85,"body":"That one's getting shared pretty decent."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5222.09,"endTime":5225.31,"body":"We timed that one pretty nicely because right after we put that out,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5225.49,"endTime":5229.19,"body":"Plant Based News put out some story about Katy Perry getting mad about somebody"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5229.19,"endTime":5231.03,"body":"calling vegans bad names or something."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5231.17,"endTime":5235.15,"body":"So we were able to remind people that Katy Perry started this whole shit."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5235.27,"endTime":5240.81,"body":"She's the original pot calling the kettle black or whatever that saying is."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5240.91,"endTime":5243.49,"body":"I assume she's changed her views since that terrible video came out."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5243.67,"endTime":5246.79,"body":"Pretty un-self-aware, though. I would say."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5247.95,"endTime":5251.21,"body":"Alright thanks for listening everybody you want to say bye bye guys bye everybody"}]}