{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":0.02,"endTime":3.42,"body":"Welcome to the Deficient Vegans podcast. This is episode 56."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3.42,"endTime":5.79,"body":"I'm the muscle deficient vegan here with a protein deficient vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5.79,"endTime":7.93,"body":"Do you want to say hi? Hello. Hello."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":8.49,"endTime":12.33,"body":"We'll be talking about finding community as a vegan. But first up, new news."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":12.33,"endTime":13.78,"body":"New news."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":13.78,"endTime":17.65,"body":"First piece of news we have is that a new report from ProVeg International and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":17.65,"endTime":21.93,"body":"Planetary Alliance found that UK supermarkets have basically figured out plant-based"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":21.93,"endTime":25.26,"body":"distribution, but still aren't selling enough plant-based products."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":25.62,"endTime":26.84,"body":"That's interesting. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":27.37,"endTime":30.7,"body":"Some of this is due to the stores lacking the supporting infrastructure,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":30.7,"endTime":35.52,"body":"like signposting, shopper communication, meal inspiration, like how to use these"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":35.52,"endTime":38.03,"body":"ingredients, and category navigation."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":38.03,"endTime":41.22,"body":"Category navigation is definitely one I've noticed in U.S. supermarkets for"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":41.22,"endTime":44.08,"body":"plant-based things. Like the signs are kind of inconsistent."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":44.08,"endTime":46.35,"body":"Sometimes it's like, sometimes it'll say vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":46.64,"endTime":50.26,"body":"Sometimes it's non-dairy. Sometimes it's plant-based. And then even when you"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":50.26,"endTime":53.88,"body":"go to those sections, it'll kind of be like half plant-based stuff and half normal stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":53.88,"endTime":54.26,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":54.65,"endTime":58.04,"body":"So I've definitely seen that over here. I imagine there's some of the same issues over there."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":58.33,"endTime":61.37,"body":"Yeah. In the U.S., they'll put tofu, like, next to the lettuce,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":61.37,"endTime":62.65,"body":"which is kind of confusing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":62.65,"endTime":64.56,"body":"Right. Or the wheat gluten next to the flour."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":65.02,"endTime":68.82,"body":"Yeah. Putting some of the main protein sources of a vegan diet,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":68.82,"endTime":72.74,"body":"TVP, and vital wheat gluten next to, like, gluten-free flour alternatives is"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":72.98,"endTime":78.03,"body":"truly bizarre. And I feel like, unless you know, you would have no idea,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":78.03,"endTime":79.47,"body":"like, what those would be used for."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":79.47,"endTime":81.48,"body":"Where do you think it should go? How do you think they should organize it?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":81.48,"endTime":84.04,"body":"I kind of feel like they just need a plant-based section, and then they need"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":84.04,"endTime":86.86,"body":"to split up by, like, plant-based, like, meat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":87.2,"endTime":90.32,"body":"Yeah. Or, like, maybe not plant-based meat, plant-based proteins, maybe."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":90.32,"endTime":91.78,"body":"Yeah, plant-protein section or something."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":91.78,"endTime":94.3,"body":"Yeah, and have, like, the shelf-stable ones, and then maybe you have,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":94.3,"endTime":95.57,"body":"like, a little fridge section."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":95.57,"endTime":98.28,"body":"Yeah, that would make sense to me. It'd be way easier to just go in and be like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":98.28,"endTime":102.3,"body":"oh, here's my tofu, here's my wheat gluten, here's all my TVPs."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":102.3,"endTime":104.31,"body":"Yeah. Stuff like that, all in one spot, because it's all protein."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":104.64,"endTime":108.99,"body":"And I think, you know, for me, if the stores are shelving it,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":109.15,"endTime":112.3,"body":"surely they want to sell it. so maybe they should even have, like..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":113.04,"endTime":117.76,"body":"QR codes where you can, like, scan and find a recipe for something like TVP"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":117.76,"endTime":121.65,"body":"or Vital Wheat Gluten, since they're kind of odd ingredients that most people don't"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":121.65,"endTime":122.78,"body":"know. Yeah, uncommon. Uncommon."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":123.51,"endTime":126.64,"body":"For sure. I think that'd be helpful. So, I mean, I think the stores basically"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":126.64,"endTime":130.25,"body":"need to help shoppers find the new products and also understand how to use them,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":130.25,"endTime":132.76,"body":"so they'll come back and buy them again and be able to find them in the store."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":132.76,"endTime":138.44,"body":"Yeah, I mean, I've had many, many, many people who are vegan ask me,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":138.44,"endTime":141.31,"body":"like, where do I find silken tofu at my grocery store?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":141.71,"endTime":145.49,"body":"where do i find tvp you can find tvp at the grocery store where would that be"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":145.49,"endTime":149.58,"body":"where's nutritional yeast yeah and i'm like having to help like navigate where"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":149.58,"endTime":152.08,"body":"i assume it is in the grocery store because that's where it's been in all the"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":152.08,"endTime":153.26,"body":"other ones i've been in but"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":153.41,"endTime":156.46,"body":"Even if i have to go to a grocery store that's not like one of the normal ones"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":156.46,"endTime":160.72,"body":"i go to around here i have like i basically have to look in the app like where"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":160.72,"endTime":163.33,"body":"is this maybe go look in the flowers right i don't know."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":163.33,"endTime":167.34,"body":"I just feel like at this point there should be a vegan aisle like plant-based"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":167.62,"endTime":170.91,"body":"you know shelf basics or something. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":171.7,"endTime":174.53,"body":"Yeah, they really only need like one small refrigerator section for some of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":174.53,"endTime":175.84,"body":"the tofus and milks maybe."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":176.68,"endTime":179.5,"body":"Like kind of how they have like a pet section and then they'll have like a little,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":179.86,"endTime":183.22,"body":"a smaller refrigerator for like pet food that's cold."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":183.22,"endTime":185.44,"body":"Yeah, the pet food gets a more dedicated section than we do."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":186.06,"endTime":191.34,"body":"So if you're a grocery store listening and you want help organizing your grocery store, I have ideas."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":192.52,"endTime":196.58,"body":"Yeah, there you go. Reach out. The next piece of news we have is polmolone."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":196.58,"endTime":198.17,"body":"I believe that's how you say it. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":199.1,"endTime":200.4,"body":"Best guess I would have."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":200.7,"endTime":204.33,"body":"Anyway, it's the brand that owns tofu brands like Nasoya and Wildwood."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":204.8,"endTime":209.59,"body":"But they've recorded 17% year-on-year growth in tofu sales."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":210.07,"endTime":213.47,"body":"That's pretty exciting. It's pretty good. Those are like, I'd say the top brands"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":213.47,"endTime":218.17,"body":"I buy. Sometimes I'll buy like the store brand tofu. But like the Wildwood super"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":218.17,"endTime":221.75,"body":"firm high-protein tofu is like one of my go-tos because it's already pressed."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":221.75,"endTime":222.16,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":222.83,"endTime":228.14,"body":"The article was saying that tofu sales across the U.S. hadn't,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":228.6,"endTime":231.74,"body":"like, increased by that much. Like, this is kind of an outlying product."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":231.74,"endTime":232.16,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":232.6,"endTime":234.67,"body":"But, yeah, kind of interesting."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":234.67,"endTime":239.86,"body":"It is interesting. It might be partially attributed to 79% of Americans finding"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":239.86,"endTime":242.43,"body":"ultra-processed foods a significant threat to public health."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":243.46,"endTime":244.4,"body":"They should stop eating them."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":246.02,"endTime":250.72,"body":"Yeah. 57% of Americans say that they plan to prioritize protein this year. Hmm."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":251.06,"endTime":254.75,"body":"So, that's interesting. I think there's a lot of talk around protein in general"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":254.75,"endTime":257.56,"body":"with, like, the GLP-1 drugs and stuff like that going on."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":258.62,"endTime":261.32,"body":"A lot of these people are also looking for higher fiber options."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":261.32,"endTime":266.14,"body":"And tofu is minimally processed, high in protein, and high in fiber. So, triple threat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":266.14,"endTime":266.59,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":267.67,"endTime":271.21,"body":"Eat more tofu. You didn't hear it here first. All right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":271.81,"endTime":275.49,"body":"The last piece of news we have is that a new study by Leaps by Bayer,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":275.49,"endTime":281.22,"body":"with a Boston consulting group, and Ipsos UK dives into public optimism"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":281.22,"endTime":283.31,"body":"and caution around breakthrough science."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":283.68,"endTime":287.77,"body":"Yeah, this was really interesting. It covered a lot of things."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":288.25,"endTime":290.83,"body":"We're mostly going to talk about the part that covered cultivated meat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":291.91,"endTime":296.29,"body":"But first, some of the findings are that 82% of the people that were surveyed,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":296.61,"endTime":300.09,"body":"and this is actually across multiple countries, but this was 82%,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":300.48,"endTime":303.09,"body":"and it didn't really vary country to country, this statistic."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":303.09,"endTime":307.94,"body":"Yeah. So 82% of people surveyed reported that they were concerned about climate change."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":308.96,"endTime":309.9,"body":"That makes sense. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":310.32,"endTime":315.2,"body":"69% were optimistic that scientific breakthroughs could improve access to nutritious"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":315.2,"endTime":321.34,"body":"foods, and 58% are optimistic that it can help solve the environmental challenges."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":321.34,"endTime":325.69,"body":"On the idea of cultivated meat specifically, 39% were positive,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":325.81,"endTime":327.61,"body":"basically, to the idea, receptive to it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":327.92,"endTime":330.78,"body":"19% were negative, which is pretty low for something like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":330.78,"endTime":333.37,"body":"Lower than I would have expected, honestly. And the majority were neutral."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":333.57,"endTime":335.61,"body":"Yeah. That makes sense. That's probably just because they don't know much about"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":335.61,"endTime":337.87,"body":"it yet. I need to know more is probably what they were thinking."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":337.87,"endTime":341.92,"body":"Yeah. I think that's fair. I think there's also like a lot of misinformation,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":341.92,"endTime":344.53,"body":"but then the opposite. There's a lot of like positive information."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":344.53,"endTime":348.09,"body":"So it's like you probably are left with, I don't know what to make of this."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":348.09,"endTime":349.66,"body":"So maybe that's why you're getting some neutrals."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":349.86,"endTime":352.87,"body":"So the conclusion of the study, and this is a direct quote, so I'm just going"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":352.87,"endTime":357.63,"body":"to read it here, is that, quote, cultivated meat stands out as the most emotionally"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":357.63,"endTime":360.3,"body":"charged food innovation examined in this study,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":360.79,"endTime":366.27,"body":"provoking reactions ranging from ethical enthusiasm and curiosity to an immediate gut level no."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":366.95,"endTime":370.11,"body":"The technology creates a distinctive tension. Intellectually,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":370.23,"endTime":373.79,"body":"many recognize its potential to reduce animal suffering and environmental harm."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":374.17,"endTime":377.49,"body":"Yet emotionally, something about meat grown through cell cultivation rather"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":377.49,"endTime":380.94,"body":"than traditional animal rearing creates deep unease. End quote."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":381.33,"endTime":385.76,"body":"I think it would create deep unease if people realized how animals were being slaughtered."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":386.5,"endTime":387.73,"body":"raised in the first place."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":387.73,"endTime":391.3,"body":"Yeah. I think there's just a general stigma with things growing in a lab for"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":391.3,"endTime":394.51,"body":"some reason. I don't understand, but I don't think it'll last very long."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":394.51,"endTime":395.33,"body":"Yeah, hopefully not."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":395.33,"endTime":399.64,"body":"And by that, I mean like 100 years from now, it probably won't be an issue. We'll see."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":399.64,"endTime":405.28,"body":"So some more data that was kind of interesting. 35% of people surveyed from Germany in the U.S."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":405.28,"endTime":409.41,"body":"specifically were reluctant to try cultivated meat compared to the global average"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":409.41,"endTime":414.35,"body":"of 26%. So almost 10% higher reluctancy from Germany in the U.S."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":414.35,"endTime":417.42,"body":"Those were the countries that stood out as like most resistance."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":417.42,"endTime":418.19,"body":"That's really interesting."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":418.46,"endTime":422.59,"body":"Yeah. And then 17% had reluctance in China."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":423.04,"endTime":423.55,"body":"That's pretty low."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":423.55,"endTime":426.49,"body":"So it was like almost 10% lower in China."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":426.93,"endTime":429.76,"body":"Yeah. I wonder what causes that difference. It's interesting."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":429.76,"endTime":431.33,"body":"They didn't get into that, I don't think, in the study."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":431.33,"endTime":432.8,"body":"Unfortunately. Yeah. I almost wonder"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":432.8,"endTime":438.1,"body":"if it's because there's probably more plant-based eaters in China, maybe?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":438.1,"endTime":440.16,"body":"Just lower meat consumption in general."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":440.16,"endTime":441.75,"body":"So there's kind of like whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":441.75,"endTime":443.48,"body":"That would probably make the most sense to me."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":444.91,"endTime":448.27,"body":"So they broke down the positivity to cultivated meat by generation,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":448.27,"endTime":449.33,"body":"which was pretty interesting."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":449.9,"endTime":453.23,"body":"So 27% positivity from boomers."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":453.23,"endTime":453.87,"body":"Okay, boomer."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":454.07,"endTime":460.71,"body":"Okay. 35% positivity from Gen X. Okay. 48% positivity from millennials."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":461.1,"endTime":461.51,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":461.85,"endTime":464.14,"body":"And 46% positivity from Gen Z."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":464.19,"endTime":468.76,"body":"Yeah, this kind of continues the overall trend of Gen Z being less progressive"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":468.76,"endTime":470.98,"body":"in a lot of ways than millennials, just slightly in this."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":470.98,"endTime":473.37,"body":"Just, like, slightly less progressive from the millennials, but,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":473.37,"endTime":476.39,"body":"like, still more progressive than Gen X and boomers. Yeah. But,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":476.39,"endTime":479.7,"body":"yeah, I do—I was a little surprised that Gen Z wasn't the highest."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":479.7,"endTime":480.0,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":480.35,"endTime":481.82,"body":"I kind of felt like it would be the highest,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":481.82,"endTime":485.33,"body":"But— It seems like that's coming to fruition across a lot of different,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":485.33,"endTime":486.57,"body":"like, segments of society."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":486.57,"endTime":489.45,"body":"Yeah, you see it with, like, I don't know, politics in general."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":489.45,"endTime":493.99,"body":"I'm starting to see, like, younger groups are going, like, harder conservative"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":493.99,"endTime":496.7,"body":"than, like, millennials, and I'm not really sure what's causing that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":496.7,"endTime":499.37,"body":"Or at least, at the very least, less progressive."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":499.37,"endTime":500.26,"body":"Yeah, absolutely."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":500.26,"endTime":503.97,"body":"We'll have links to this study specifically and all these news articles in the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":503.97,"endTime":505.27,"body":"show notes if you want to read more about them."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":505.27,"endTime":507.85,"body":"They're pretty interesting. All right. So that's the news. Let's get into the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":507.85,"endTime":511.03,"body":"main topic. So whether you've been vegan for a couple of weeks or a couple of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":511.03,"endTime":514.17,"body":"decades, you probably noticed how veganism can sometimes feel a little lonely"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":514.17,"endTime":515.3,"body":"if you don't have vegan friends."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":515.78,"endTime":521.24,"body":"Yeah. I mean, existing as a vegan in a world that's literally made for omnivores,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":521.57,"endTime":525.52,"body":"it's going to make you feel like an outsider and can actually lead to burnout, it's been proven."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":526.65,"endTime":530.08,"body":"Which isn't good because all of us vegans really want all the other vegans to"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":530.08,"endTime":531.31,"body":"stay vegan for life. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":531.53,"endTime":536.1,"body":"I mean, even if you have an ethical belief in something, it still has to be,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":536.43,"endTime":538.97,"body":"you know, something that you can kind of mentally support."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":538.97,"endTime":542.76,"body":"Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, there is a line for a lot of people."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":542.76,"endTime":546.09,"body":"And if they feel like they're just constantly, like, isolated and berated and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":546.09,"endTime":549.7,"body":"it's just way too difficult, then maybe even if they have ethical beliefs,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":549.7,"endTime":551.5,"body":"they'll choose not to practice those beliefs."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":551.5,"endTime":554.76,"body":"Right. And maybe it leads to, you know, you practicing them in private."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":554.93,"endTime":559.35,"body":"Right. But maybe you become, like, a little more loose in public so that you"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":559.35,"endTime":562.78,"body":"just don't have to deal with, like, societal pressure anymore. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":563.73,"endTime":567.38,"body":"Do you have any examples of when you've, like, kind of felt a little lonely"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":567.38,"endTime":570.62,"body":"or like an outsider around omnivores or in general?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":571.0,"endTime":575.17,"body":"Yeah. I mean, I think it happens a little bit, at least every time you try to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":575.17,"endTime":579.13,"body":"go out to eat with other people. Like, I have to go to work things every once in a while."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":579.78,"endTime":584.06,"body":"And it's always like, you know, the place that's for dinner or lunch or whatever"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":584.06,"endTime":587.18,"body":"is kind of pre-selected. And I'm like, well, okay, I'm going to have to go look"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":587.18,"endTime":588.97,"body":"up this menu. There's probably not going to be anything."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":589.39,"endTime":592.24,"body":"And then, you know, if you do get a chance to bring it up, it's,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":592.24,"endTime":595.11,"body":"they don't really like understand and you have to have a whole conversation."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":595.55,"endTime":597.95,"body":"So that definitely makes me feel a little isolated."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":598.52,"endTime":601.41,"body":"And then I think so mostly just social situations. Other than that,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":601.41,"endTime":604.31,"body":"I mean, it's still actually, even without social situations,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":604.31,"endTime":607.62,"body":"it feels a little isolated, even when you're like looking for restaurants or"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":607.62,"endTime":608.98,"body":"like going to the grocery store and stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":608.98,"endTime":613.97,"body":"Because it's just like this constant reminder that it's not really set up for"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":614.33,"endTime":618.12,"body":"you and your beliefs, which, you know, it's fine. It's the minority."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":618.12,"endTime":621.43,"body":"But it is something that kind of constantly reminds you like, oh, it's different."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":621.82,"endTime":626.49,"body":"It's probably like it would be if you were left-handed and you were shopping"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":626.49,"endTime":631.03,"body":"in like, I don't know, what is like right-hand specific? Scissors?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":631.03,"endTime":631.71,"body":"Baseball gloves."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":631.89,"endTime":633.0,"body":"Baseball gloves, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":633.23,"endTime":633.55,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":633.98,"endTime":637.35,"body":"Probably get to you after a while. It's like, Jesus Christ. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":637.35,"endTime":638.75,"body":"I just want a baseball glove. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":639.07,"endTime":642.58,"body":"I guess for me, when I've noticed it most, it's been at like work events that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":642.58,"endTime":644.2,"body":"involve food, kind of like you said."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":644.78,"endTime":647.9,"body":"But it's like I've been forgotten about and there isn't vegan food."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":647.9,"endTime":653.14,"body":"Now I'm like sitting there awkwardly, like physically doing something different"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":653.14,"endTime":656.53,"body":"than everyone else, whether that's like not eating because someone said there"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":656.53,"endTime":659.38,"body":"was going to be an option and then there wasn't an option or I'm getting out"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":659.38,"endTime":662.38,"body":"my little lunchbox and like everyone's staring at what I'm doing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":663.16,"endTime":666.91,"body":"And then also, like, they're all eating animals, which I obviously have a moral objection to."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":667.39,"endTime":672.59,"body":"So that's awkward in general. But then, like, beyond that, there's also this,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":672.59,"endTime":675.92,"body":"like, I think everyone feels awkward that I'm doing something different."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":675.92,"endTime":679.13,"body":"So then some people will make jokes about veganism or say stupid shit like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":679.45,"endTime":682.92,"body":"oh, there's some, like, lettuce over there I use for my burger you can eat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":684.17,"endTime":687.06,"body":"As if that was, like, a suitable option for anyone to have for lunch."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":687.23,"endTime":687.61,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":687.89,"endTime":691.27,"body":"But, like, I don't know. You feel, like, physically left out because you're"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":691.27,"endTime":692.69,"body":"doing something different than everyone."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":692.89,"endTime":699.07,"body":"but then you also feel like nobody understands you and also nobody gives a shit"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":699.07,"endTime":702.31,"body":"about you like they didn't even bother to check and see i guess"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":702.88,"endTime":706.67,"body":"so like you're dodging jokes about veganism which is something you believe really"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":706.67,"endTime":710.45,"body":"strongly in and then you're watching your friends and co-workers eat dead animals which sucks"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":711.35,"endTime":714.87,"body":"and then i think like for me that's when i feel most alone yeah and honestly"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":714.87,"endTime":721.05,"body":"it can be pretty exhausting especially like it work situations where you have to be polite and like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":722.77,"endTime":727.94,"body":"not become unprofessional you know so like you kind of have to like just i don't"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":727.94,"endTime":731.07,"body":"know it feels like you're kind of placating people and not like being like that's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":731.07,"endTime":737.18,"body":"a stupid fucking joke don't say it again you just have to be like good one yeah you know"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":737.94,"endTime":740.62,"body":"I think there are a lot of things in an environment like that where you clash"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":740.62,"endTime":743.47,"body":"with other people's beliefs so you just kind of have to bite your tongue for,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":743.98,"endTime":746.42,"body":"just because it's not even worth the argument in some cases."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":746.88,"endTime":749.85,"body":"So i just think it's interesting because like if someone has religious convictions"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":749.85,"endTime":753.55,"body":"around eating pork yeah they're not getting the same treatment as like a vegan's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":753.55,"endTime":758.4,"body":"getting because it's like viewed as like more of a choice yeah but yeah for"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":758.4,"endTime":761.46,"body":"me those are those are like my biggest pain points that i've experienced"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":761.46,"endTime":764.96,"body":"Yeah definitely isn't it interesting how when you talk to people about veganism"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":764.96,"endTime":769.38,"body":"they're very concerned nutrition experts but then those same people also think"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":769.38,"endTime":770.46,"body":"that lettuce is a fine lunch."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":770.78,"endTime":773.81,"body":"I know i think that's why they're concerned because they literally don't know"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":773.81,"endTime":774.76,"body":"what they're talking about"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":775.71,"endTime":779.05,"body":"So some other common examples that probably everybody has experienced at least"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":779.05,"endTime":783.34,"body":"once Like we were talking about being the only vegan at work or like in the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":783.34,"endTime":784.73,"body":"family or in a friend group."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":785.16,"endTime":788.13,"body":"A social situation is really where it tends to highlight itself the most."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":788.69,"endTime":792.88,"body":"Yeah, or family dinners. Unless you're lucky enough to have a vegan family or"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":792.88,"endTime":796.66,"body":"like an incredibly supportive family, you're either going to run into like..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":797.5,"endTime":801.6,"body":"your parents being like well we don't really know what to cook for you or you"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":801.6,"endTime":803.44,"body":"almost feel like you're imposing a bit yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":803.74,"endTime":806.71,"body":"Even if you do have a supportive family you still feel a little bit of like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":806.95,"endTime":809.66,"body":"a little bit of guilt because you made people do things differently i don't."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":809.66,"endTime":812.96,"body":"Know yeah they had to buy like specialty products to make whatever food they"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":812.96,"endTime":814.77,"body":"made that they don't normally have in the fridge yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":815.6,"endTime":818.68,"body":"Also birthday parties uh most of the time there's not going to be a vegan cake or ice."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":818.68,"endTime":820.9,"body":"Cream yeah you're going to be kind of like left out"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":820.9,"endTime":823.58,"body":"Or vegan pizza pizza parties there's probably not going to be a vegan pizza."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":823.88,"endTime":828.61,"body":"Yeah i would say cookouts for me are one of the big ones even if there are vegan"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":828.61,"endTime":833.62,"body":"options me personally i feel uncomfortable in any situation that is like literally"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":833.62,"endTime":836.78,"body":"revolving around meat like the whole reason we're here is for you guys to eat"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":836.78,"endTime":838.33,"body":"meat and like a cookout's like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":838.79,"endTime":840.74,"body":"one of the obvious options but also"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":841.2,"endTime":844.91,"body":"i don't know like holidays like thanksgiving specifically it's like yeah the"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":844.91,"endTime":846.68,"body":"whole occasion is around the turkey"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":847.15,"endTime":850.27,"body":"yeah and for me as a vegan i just find that really uncomfortable yeah we're not"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":850.27,"endTime":854.02,"body":"Typically going to cookouts that are entirely centered around the grilled corn on the cob."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":854.34,"endTime":858.27,"body":"Yeah. Even if there are options, it still feels uncomfortable. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":859.0,"endTime":863.61,"body":"Also, dating. This might be where you realize just how much of a minority vegans are."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":863.61,"endTime":863.95,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":864.7,"endTime":869.34,"body":"You might want to date a vegan, but it can be hard to find many vegans, especially near you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":869.54,"endTime":873.72,"body":"Right. Yeah. I feel like in some cases, especially if the pool is very limited,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":873.72,"endTime":877.69,"body":"you're either having to sacrifice some other stuff If you maybe don't like is"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":877.69,"endTime":880.78,"body":"not ideal about a partner to find a vegan one or,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":881.56,"endTime":885.64,"body":"you know, maybe you're dating an omnivore in hopes that you can turn them vegan, which is what I did."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":885.98,"endTime":890.14,"body":"Found my perfect omnivore, made him become a vegan. Doesn't work on all of them, guys."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":892.55,"endTime":894.58,"body":"Yeah. I mean, yeah, even if you do manage to date an omnivore,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":894.58,"endTime":896.57,"body":"they could just kind of be an asshole about the whole thing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":896.57,"endTime":899.42,"body":"We see that on Reddit all the time and in other community conversations."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":899.42,"endTime":902.22,"body":"Especially if you were dating them before you went vegan. You don't really know"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":902.22,"endTime":904.5,"body":"how they're if they're going to support that. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":905.55,"endTime":908.35,"body":"You have to think there's probably, I don't know, wherever you live,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":908.69,"endTime":912.86,"body":"unless you're in the middle of a big city, there might be like 100 vegans around"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":912.86,"endTime":915.1,"body":"within 20 miles of you if you're lucky, maybe."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":915.1,"endTime":917.59,"body":"I don't know what the numbers are. Right. But like now that's suddenly your"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":917.59,"endTime":921.4,"body":"dating pool. It's like the person I like most out of these people within 20 miles."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":921.4,"endTime":927.49,"body":"Seven people. And, you know, obviously I haven't been on the dating app,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":928.05,"endTime":931.55,"body":"but there's like Vegly, but I haven't actually really heard anything good about it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":931.55,"endTime":935.1,"body":"Yeah. If any of you have used that app, we'd love to hear how successful that has been."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":935.39,"endTime":937.26,"body":"I'll tell you what I would do if you left me."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":937.31,"endTime":939.7,"body":"Oh, my God. How about if I died?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":939.7,"endTime":940.61,"body":"Okay, if you died."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":940.61,"endTime":942.01,"body":"Because that's the only way I'm living."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":942.03,"endTime":946.72,"body":"That'd be really sad, actually. Okay, if you magically just disappeared and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":946.72,"endTime":949.09,"body":"I forgot your existence. Thanos snapped. You'd have to be a,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":949.41,"endTime":951.59,"body":"yeah, Thanos snapped out of existence."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":952.04,"endTime":953.7,"body":"I think I'd use Happy Cow. Yeah?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":954.15,"endTime":957.63,"body":"Yeah, because you can find people within, like, a certain distance of you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":957.75,"endTime":961.95,"body":"Which is how I found somebody that I stalk on and see where she's eating."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":963.91,"endTime":968.99,"body":"You know who you are. She has the best restaurant recommendations in Chicago."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":970.71,"endTime":973.77,"body":"That's how I do it. Yeah. I would like set my perimeter and be like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":973.77,"endTime":974.91,"body":"where are these people eating?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":976.89,"endTime":981.31,"body":"Leave it to a recipe creator to stalk out potential future prospects on Happy Cow."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":981.54,"endTime":982.77,"body":"That's how I do it for real."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":984.1,"endTime":985.13,"body":"Oh, there you go. There's a tip."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":985.13,"endTime":990.27,"body":"How would you do if I got Thanos snapped? Would you be leaving posts on vegan?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":990.27,"endTime":991.41,"body":"Because I've been seeing those too."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":991.77,"endTime":997.03,"body":"Oh, I don't know. I think I'd just not bother. It sounds like way too much effort."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1002.13,"endTime":1005.84,"body":"Well, another one is maybe holidays. So just like the barbecue situation,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1005.84,"endTime":1008.45,"body":"the holidays typically revolve around animal products. Like you were talking"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1008.45,"endTime":1010.71,"body":"about turkey for Thanksgiving."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1011.04,"endTime":1014.25,"body":"But most of the holidays. Easter even. Yeah, Easter is like ham."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1014.25,"endTime":1015.43,"body":"Eggs everywhere and ham."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1016.31,"endTime":1019.57,"body":"Anyway, most of them revolve around some sort of meat. There are usually a lot"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1019.57,"endTime":1022.82,"body":"of different dishes at holidays, but maybe only a few you can actually eat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1022.82,"endTime":1026.11,"body":"Yeah. And then you're kind of like asking people to remake dishes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1026.96,"endTime":1029.76,"body":"Like classics that they've been making for decades."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1029.76,"endTime":1030.16,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1030.16,"endTime":1031.18,"body":"That can be kind of awkward."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1031.18,"endTime":1034.44,"body":"Yeah, definitely. And then even if you're not asking them to make it,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1034.44,"endTime":1037.92,"body":"you make a vegan version of something that they're like very emotionally attached"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1037.92,"endTime":1039.38,"body":"to. Yeah. That can be pretty risky too."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1039.78,"endTime":1044.29,"body":"Yeah. High stakes. Traveling's another one. Depending on where you're traveling"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1044.29,"endTime":1048.08,"body":"to, the options might be like significantly worse than where you currently live"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1048.08,"endTime":1049.67,"body":"and like the restaurants that you know."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1050.26,"endTime":1054.47,"body":"And you also wouldn't have access to like the same cooking equipment or even"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1054.47,"endTime":1055.97,"body":"a kitchen like you would at home."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1055.97,"endTime":1057.46,"body":"Unless you pack it all in the car."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1057.46,"endTime":1061.32,"body":"Which sometimes we do that. That's what we were doing to Gatlinburg,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1062.18,"endTime":1065.64,"body":"which is why we decided to switch to traveling in Wisconsin because like..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1066.65,"endTime":1070.84,"body":"The last time we went to Gatlinburg, we packed the blender and a bunch of other shit."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1070.84,"endTime":1075.96,"body":"Not only Gatlinburg, we went to Canada one time. And we basically had like a"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1076.28,"endTime":1078.69,"body":"whole kitchen set up strapped to the top of the car."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1079.0,"endTime":1082.86,"body":"And we got the whole border patrol inspection and stuff. And they're like, what's in there?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1083.11,"endTime":1085.87,"body":"We're like, kitchen equipment. And they give us this side eye like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1085.87,"endTime":1088.77,"body":"is it actually drugs? Like, what are you talking about?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1088.77,"endTime":1090.54,"body":"I was like, there's a blender up there."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1091.48,"endTime":1092.51,"body":"They didn't end up searching it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1092.51,"endTime":1093.14,"body":"No, they didn't."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1093.5,"endTime":1095.58,"body":"But yeah, a whole bunch of kitchen equipment."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1098.2,"endTime":1099.8,"body":"You just don't know what your options are going to be you"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1100.14,"endTime":1100.34,"body":"Know yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1101.1,"endTime":1101.91,"body":"I need a blender for"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1101.91,"endTime":1103.64,"body":"Stuff we did make good use of it in canada."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1103.64,"endTime":1105.34,"body":"We did yeah and in gatlinburg"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1105.7,"endTime":1109.56,"body":"At work so sometimes just in general you can feel a little isolated by like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1109.56,"endTime":1113.46,"body":"your co-workers just making comments even if you're not necessarily eating with them uh,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1114.27,"endTime":1118.86,"body":"they still if it comes up you know there's this whole thing about like if somebody's"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1118.86,"endTime":1121.48,"body":"vegan wait five minutes and they'll tell you that i really only mention it if"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1121.48,"endTime":1125.88,"body":"we're going to be eating together personally or we're talking about food specifically"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1125.88,"endTime":1127.22,"body":"And like people are asking my opinion."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1127.58,"endTime":1132.1,"body":"I try not to just like randomly bring it up out of ether. But if it does come"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1132.1,"endTime":1135.6,"body":"up, people usually have something to say about it. And it's usually like a little"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1135.6,"endTime":1138.72,"body":"snipe, even if it's in good fun. And I get plenty of that. I'm cool with it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1138.99,"endTime":1140.58,"body":"But there's always something there."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1140.58,"endTime":1145.15,"body":"Oh, there's never not something. Yeah. It's like, oh, do you drink water?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1145.15,"endTime":1147.87,"body":"Because that's a fish's home. I got that one at work once."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1147.87,"endTime":1151.19,"body":"That's interesting. Yeah. But yeah, this is actually like, you know,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1151.47,"endTime":1154.1,"body":"contrary to the wait five minutes of a vegan don't tell you you're a vegan,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1154.29,"endTime":1158.31,"body":"most vegans really actually hate talking about their veganism with people because"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1158.31,"endTime":1161.34,"body":"it's never like very smooth conversation."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1161.34,"endTime":1163.09,"body":"Like especially at work where it's like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1163.66,"endTime":1167.9,"body":"I can't get shitty at work, you know, like they're going to be so rude to me"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1167.9,"endTime":1171.18,"body":"and I'm just going to have to sit here and like take it and fake a smile."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1171.18,"endTime":1172.54,"body":"I just don't want to have those."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1172.54,"endTime":1174.53,"body":"Yeah. It's a lot like people bringing up politics at work."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1174.53,"endTime":1178.87,"body":"It is. Yeah. I'd say another one is like going to a restaurant where you can't eat anything."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1178.87,"endTime":1182.5,"body":"I mean, a lot of this happens if you're in a group and you don't get to pick the restaurant,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1182.85,"endTime":1186.43,"body":"but sometimes you end up somewhere where there's like truly not a vegan option"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1186.43,"endTime":1190.26,"body":"and it can be really frustrating to watch everyone else has like a whole menu"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1190.26,"endTime":1197.31,"body":"with four different sheets worth of choices and basically you're like okay let me find a salad okay"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1197.71,"endTime":1202.18,"body":"uh let me get the cheese removed the croutons removed the dressing removed i"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1202.18,"endTime":1205.51,"body":"will definitely just be eating a bowl of lettuce and some tomatoes right"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1205.91,"endTime":1209.06,"body":"Yeah trying to find the one thing on the menu with a little v next to it you're"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1209.06,"endTime":1210.46,"body":"just like it's probably in the salad section."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1211.36,"endTime":1215.26,"body":"And maybe there isn't even a v and you have to like make your own right really"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1215.26,"endTime":1221.57,"body":"really shitty thing and you're like oh do you know if the potatoes or cooked in anything I can't eat?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1221.72,"endTime":1224.4,"body":"And they're like, we're not sure. Let me go check. And it's like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1224.5,"endTime":1225.67,"body":"we do use butter for that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1225.67,"endTime":1229.35,"body":"Yeah. Excellent. I'll just take ice cube on a plate. Thank you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1229.74,"endTime":1232.0,"body":"But the fish and their home, babe."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1232.0,"endTime":1233.47,"body":"Yeah, right. Yeah, I forgot about that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1234.04,"endTime":1238.7,"body":"Coca-Cola on a plate. And then people asking you kind of the same questions"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1238.7,"endTime":1240.69,"body":"over and over again, especially in large groups."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1240.99,"endTime":1243.61,"body":"Sometimes you feel like an alien that everybody's staring at."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1243.61,"endTime":1246.98,"body":"It's especially stressful when it's like you haven't really talked about veganism"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1246.98,"endTime":1249.27,"body":"with a large group of people. And then one person that knows,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1249.27,"endTime":1250.7,"body":"like, asked you a question about it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1250.98,"endTime":1254.42,"body":"And you're suddenly like, everybody's like, oh, you're a vegan? Oh, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1254.42,"endTime":1255.75,"body":"They're locked in on you."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1255.75,"endTime":1256.26,"body":"There's a lot."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1256.58,"endTime":1259.62,"body":"It's always at lunches where you don't have choices. And they're like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1259.62,"endTime":1262.33,"body":"so you're vegan. Tell me about that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1262.33,"endTime":1263.69,"body":"Yeah, now you're giving a presentation."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1263.69,"endTime":1269.43,"body":"You're eating meat, and you're like, hmm, is this the time to give a presentation on factory farming?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1269.43,"endTime":1272.1,"body":"I'm going to have to start keeping a PowerPoint slide deck on my phone to break"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1272.1,"endTime":1273.43,"body":"out in those situations."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1273.55,"endTime":1275.69,"body":"Let me hook up to the projector for a second."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1275.69,"endTime":1278.86,"body":"They actually have some fancy phones that have a projector on them."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1278.86,"endTime":1280.76,"body":"I don't know if they make them anymore, but I've seen them in the past."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1280.92,"endTime":1283.56,"body":"So you can just, like, point it at the wall. Perfect. What did I tell you about my veganism?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1283.97,"endTime":1284.57,"body":"Give me a second. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1286.03,"endTime":1286.18,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1286.88,"endTime":1290.09,"body":"So over time, all these things are things you might experience on a regular"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1290.09,"endTime":1292.53,"body":"basis, and they can really kind of take an emotional toll on you."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1292.53,"endTime":1297.41,"body":"Yeah. So for some people, that feeling of like social isolation and that emotional"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1297.41,"endTime":1300.71,"body":"toll can actually be too much, and they'll start adding animal products back"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1300.96,"endTime":1302.74,"body":"just to fit in better, basically."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1302.97,"endTime":1305.96,"body":"So there's actually some data on this, but before we dig into the data,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1306.31,"endTime":1310.16,"body":"I want to throw out that when I read through the data, it seemed like the term"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1310.16,"endTime":1315.09,"body":"vegan might be used a little too broadly, maybe to mean plant-based or just"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1315.09,"endTime":1316.34,"body":"mostly vegan, vegan for the environment."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1316.66,"endTime":1321.43,"body":"environment etc so i do think some of this data could be skewed as far as like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1321.43,"endTime":1324.85,"body":"when they're saying vegan they don't necessarily mean vegan for animal ethics"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1324.97,"endTime":1326.37,"body":"but that's just my opinion"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1326.65,"endTime":1330.64,"body":"Yeah that makes sense so these findings specifically are from the faunalytics"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1330.64,"endTime":1334.82,"body":"study of current and former vegetarians and vegans the data for this study was"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1334.82,"endTime":1338.85,"body":"collected in 2014 so it's a little outdated uh but it's pretty much the only"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1338.85,"endTime":1340.95,"body":"study covering this topic so let's talk about the."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1340.95,"endTime":1343.96,"body":"Numbers and we will list the studies in the show notes if you want to go poke"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1343.96,"endTime":1347.05,"body":"around in them yeah definitely here's some of the data. From this study,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1347.18,"endTime":1351.61,"body":"84% of vegetarians and vegans abandon their diet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1352.14,"endTime":1356.19,"body":"So vegetarian and vegan are lumped in together on a lot of these statistics,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1356.19,"endTime":1361.92,"body":"but 84% is a big number. 34% of lapsed vegans, vegetarians maintain their diets"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1361.92,"endTime":1363.11,"body":"for three months or less."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1363.44,"endTime":1366.98,"body":"So that was one of the statistics that made me think like, these probably aren't"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1366.98,"endTime":1368.38,"body":"like legitimate vegans."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1369.92,"endTime":1371.3,"body":"Because could you, would you"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1371.3,"endTime":1374.26,"body":"say you were vegan or vegetarian if you only did it for like two weeks?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1374.26,"endTime":1376.54,"body":"Right. And lapsed meaning they gave up the diet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1376.84,"endTime":1378.34,"body":"Yeah, within three months or less."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1378.34,"endTime":1381.34,"body":"In this case, we're like, I was vegan for two weeks and then I stopped being"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1381.34,"endTime":1384.5,"body":"vegan. And now they get counted in the statistics of vegans that abandoned their"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1384.5,"endTime":1386.77,"body":"diet and lapsed vegans, which is like you said."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1386.77,"endTime":1390.64,"body":"Yeah, I just don't think it's fair. I think especially when you think veganism"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1390.64,"endTime":1392.42,"body":"moral belief, right? Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1392.8,"endTime":1395.73,"body":"So I like to think of it as like, okay..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1396.34,"endTime":1400.77,"body":"Would you say you were a Christian for two weeks if you just happened to go"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1400.77,"endTime":1404.38,"body":"to church two Sundays in a row and then never thought about God for the rest of your life? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1404.59,"endTime":1407.72,"body":"I don't think anyone would say, oh, yeah, I was a Christian for a couple weeks."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1408.28,"endTime":1411.38,"body":"You know what I mean? And that's how it sounds to me when you say I was a vegan for two weeks."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1411.38,"endTime":1413.94,"body":"Yeah, I'd be more interested to see a study like this. And maybe there never"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1413.94,"endTime":1419.22,"body":"would be one. But I think the numbers would be a lot easier to make determinations based off of."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1419.55,"endTime":1422.37,"body":"If there was a minimum threshold, like you had to be vegan or vegetarian for"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1422.37,"endTime":1424.04,"body":"a year before these things count."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1424.04,"endTime":1430.98,"body":"Exactly. So, yeah, 34% of this number that lapsed said they maintained the diet"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1430.98,"endTime":1431.96,"body":"for three months or less."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1431.96,"endTime":1435.55,"body":"So, out of the people that did lapse, abandoned their diets,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1435.91,"endTime":1442.25,"body":"58% of former vegans and vegetarians cited health as their motivation for the diets."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1442.61,"endTime":1446.78,"body":"So, there we go. It's probably more around, like, along the lines of plant-based."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1446.78,"endTime":1449.23,"body":"Yeah, not necessarily an ethical motivation in the beginning."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1449.23,"endTime":1453.95,"body":"Yeah. As a side note, these are the motivations cited by the current vegetarian"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1453.95,"endTime":1455.4,"body":"and vegans that they did survey."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1455.94,"endTime":1463.02,"body":"So of the ones that kept with their diet, 69% cited health, 68% cited animal"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1463.02,"endTime":1465.96,"body":"protection. These are the ones that stuck with it. So that kind of makes sense."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1466.32,"endTime":1471.22,"body":"63% cited feelings of disgust around meat and animal products."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1471.72,"endTime":1476.65,"body":"59% said concern for environment. 52% said taste preferences."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1477.36,"endTime":1480.9,"body":"Yeah. And keep in mind, a lot of those stats are combining vegans and vegetarians."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1481.04,"endTime":1485.96,"body":"So 84% of the former vegetarians and vegans said that they were not actively"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1485.96,"endTime":1491.31,"body":"involved in a vegetarian or vegan group, either online or in person."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1491.31,"endTime":1493.41,"body":"So they didn't really find their community."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1493.41,"endTime":1495.57,"body":"Yeah, that's interesting. It's a high number. And like we were talking about,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1495.57,"endTime":1497.94,"body":"if you're the only one in your town or the only one you know,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1497.94,"endTime":1499.07,"body":"it's going to feel pretty isolating."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1499.07,"endTime":1500.93,"body":"Especially if you're not that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1500.93,"endTime":1503.6,"body":"committed in the beginning. I think it can be really easy to fall off."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1504.24,"endTime":1504.84,"body":"Definitely, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1505.24,"endTime":1509.61,"body":"So 63% of former vegetarians and vegans said that they disliked that their diet"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1509.61,"endTime":1510.79,"body":"made them stick out from the crowd."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1510.79,"endTime":1511.42,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1511.84,"endTime":1515.83,"body":"So another thing with like isolation, like you just feel like the only person. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1516.32,"endTime":1522.52,"body":"And then 58% of former vegetarians and vegans said they did not see a vegetarian"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1522.52,"endTime":1524.42,"body":"or veganism as part of their identity."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1524.78,"endTime":1527.91,"body":"I thought it was pretty interesting. Yeah. I feel like that leads me to believe"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1527.91,"endTime":1531.68,"body":"some of them are more plant-based. Because I feel like if you're morals-based,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1531.96,"endTime":1534.9,"body":"I think that kind of is part of your personality. Yeah. You know,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1534.9,"endTime":1536.49,"body":"just like it's part of your core beliefs."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1536.59,"endTime":1541.87,"body":"Yeah, I agree. And then 37% of former vegetarians and vegans are interested"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1541.87,"endTime":1543.25,"body":"in readopting their diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1543.59,"endTime":1548.27,"body":"59% of those said they are very likely to do so with health being the main motivation."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1548.65,"endTime":1552.98,"body":"I thought that one was really interesting. So like more than a third of former"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1552.98,"endTime":1557.25,"body":"vegans and vegetarians are willing to re-adopt a plant-based diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1557.45,"endTime":1557.72,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1558.14,"endTime":1562.3,"body":"I mean, it sounds like a lot of these former vegetarians or vegans felt like outcast."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1562.66,"endTime":1565.82,"body":"They didn't try to join communities or couldn't find communities."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1565.82,"endTime":1569.09,"body":"So they didn't really end up feeling seen and they didn't even feel like it"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1569.09,"endTime":1570.06,"body":"was part of their identity."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1570.42,"endTime":1573.1,"body":"Right. Which makes it a lot harder to stick to, like you were saying."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1573.1,"endTime":1576.3,"body":"There's going to be a lack of options around you, so you've got to get over"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1576.3,"endTime":1579.48,"body":"that friction. And there's going to be kind of a lot of peer pressure from people"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1579.48,"endTime":1582.08,"body":"just, like, questioning what you're doing. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1582.76,"endTime":1586.63,"body":"Another interesting piece is how many of the ex-vegans and vegetarians said"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1586.63,"endTime":1589.59,"body":"they would do it again, which shows that you can win people over."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1589.59,"endTime":1592.31,"body":"So, or you can win people back. So, be nice to them."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1592.31,"endTime":1595.7,"body":"Yeah. I think that is key. I was surprised it was 37%. Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1595.7,"endTime":1599.1,"body":"it's pretty high. I feel like, yeah, don't berate people, probably."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1599.42,"endTime":1601.47,"body":"Right, because they're not going to come back for sure. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1601.47,"endTime":1604.38,"body":"They're like, oh, I've made the best decision ever. I'm done with this stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1604.64,"endTime":1609.36,"body":"I don't want to be around those people. Yeah. So Faunalytics published a qualitative"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1609.36,"endTime":1615.72,"body":"study in 2023, bringing back former vegans and vegetarians, an obstacle analysis."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1615.72,"endTime":1619.54,"body":"So here's what that showed. Helping lapsed vegans or vegetarians resume their"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1619.54,"endTime":1624.23,"body":"diet means making the diet as accessible as possible, providing them with motivational"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1624.23,"endTime":1628.5,"body":"boosts and providing practical support, which all can be done within some kind"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1628.5,"endTime":1629.9,"body":"of a community. Yeah, definitely."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1630.24,"endTime":1633.05,"body":"Dissatisfaction with vegan food is the most common struggle,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1633.28,"endTime":1635.18,"body":"so we have to share tasty recipes with them."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1635.53,"endTime":1640.58,"body":"Yeah. That one for me is like, if you found your people, this wouldn't be a problem. Like..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1641.23,"endTime":1644.44,"body":"You might have dissatisfaction with, like, the vegan or vegetarian options at"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1644.44,"endTime":1648.42,"body":"a restaurant, but, like, if you found your people and you found good recipes,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1648.42,"endTime":1649.71,"body":"you could definitely make good food at home."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1649.87,"endTime":1654.47,"body":"Yeah, definitely. And I think, you know, I think food options are really the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1654.79,"endTime":1658.03,"body":"thing that everything hinges on when trying to get people to adopt even"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1658.43,"endTime":1661.12,"body":"this, like, the vegan lifestyle in general and, like, the ethical belief and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1661.12,"endTime":1664.34,"body":"stuff because it's the biggest friction point and it's something people interact"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1664.34,"endTime":1667.16,"body":"with, like, three times a day, basically, on average, a lot of people."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1667.44,"endTime":1669.79,"body":"Nobody wants to be miserable, right? Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1670.53,"endTime":1675.73,"body":"So access to to vegan and vegetarian food options was still limited in 2020."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1675.73,"endTime":1679.49,"body":"And, you know, this is still a problem, mostly when you go to restaurants or"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1679.49,"endTime":1682.88,"body":"maybe if you're in smaller towns and communities where you just don't have good"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1682.88,"endTime":1684.01,"body":"options in your grocery stores."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1684.01,"endTime":1688.61,"body":"The cost of vegan food also often poses an obstacle to people's ability to pursue a vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1689.47,"endTime":1691.92,"body":"This feels like a hurdle that we can overcome, though, by putting out better"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1691.92,"endTime":1694.33,"body":"information and showing how cheap it can be to be vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1694.56,"endTime":1697.74,"body":"I think a lot of people who are starting to go vegan go towards like the meat"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1697.74,"endTime":1702.21,"body":"alternatives and the processed products and the pre-made, pre-packaged things,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1702.42,"endTime":1706.74,"body":"which are more expensive, but that's not necessarily something you have to eat to be vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1706.75,"endTime":1711.76,"body":"Right. Yeah. And I think finding a community or finding, I don't know,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1711.76,"endTime":1716.62,"body":"like really recipe accounts you can follow would help you figure that out too."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1716.62,"endTime":1721.5,"body":"Yeah. Some of the obstacles like the social struggles and accessibility challenges tend to co-occur."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1721.75,"endTime":1725.14,"body":"So overcoming one obstacle may improve other related issues."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1725.14,"endTime":1725.5,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1726.01,"endTime":1728.72,"body":"And again, I think, you know, figuring out the food thing makes a lot of other"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1728.72,"endTime":1730.28,"body":"things fall into place much easier."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1730.28,"endTime":1733.89,"body":"Oh, absolutely. The older you are when you go vegan or vegetarian,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1733.89,"endTime":1735.63,"body":"the better your experience tends to be."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1735.73,"endTime":1739.26,"body":"That makes sense. That makes sense because you can find people that support"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1739.26,"endTime":1741.73,"body":"you versus like hoping that your family will support you."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1741.73,"endTime":1745.15,"body":"I also feel like the older you get, the less you care about what other people think of you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1745.15,"endTime":1746.99,"body":"Oh, yeah, I definitely think that's true."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1746.99,"endTime":1751.63,"body":"You know, at this point, I'm like, maybe when I was 20, I would have been feeling"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1751.63,"endTime":1753.83,"body":"bummed about people like saying things about me being a vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1754.5,"endTime":1757.9,"body":"But now I'm just like, I don't care."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1758.07,"endTime":1762.95,"body":"Yeah, I remember it was pretty weird when I went vegetarian as a kid because"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1763.29,"endTime":1769.47,"body":"I had actually just so I basically moved from Ohio to Kentucky and like."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1770.31,"endTime":1773.47,"body":"When I was in Ohio, I was eating like animal products, you know,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1773.81,"endTime":1777.72,"body":"and then like within maybe a year of moving to Kentucky, I went vegetarian."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1777.72,"endTime":1780.33,"body":"So like I remember writing to my Ohio friends and being like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1780.95,"endTime":1782.83,"body":"I'm a vegetarian. And they were like, what the fuck?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1784.01,"endTime":1787.43,"body":"You know, but like just I don't know. The reactions felt a lot bigger when you're"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1787.43,"endTime":1790.73,"body":"like a kid and you're like trying to explain to people that you don't eat stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1790.73,"endTime":1795.91,"body":"And it's just definitely more awkward. And you just don't have as much like control of situations."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1796.13,"endTime":1800.12,"body":"Yeah, for sure. Also, lapsed vegans eat fewer animal products overall,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1800.42,"endTime":1803.73,"body":"but those who eat the least tend to be older, have financial difficulties,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1803.73,"endTime":1805.59,"body":"and have been vegan rather than vegetarian."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1806.05,"endTime":1809.53,"body":"I think this is a good sign in general and why it's important to encourage imperfect"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1809.53,"endTime":1811.34,"body":"plant-based eaters and support them however we can."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1811.34,"endTime":1814.05,"body":"Yeah. There's definitely a difference between saying, like, I don't want you"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1814.05,"endTime":1816.45,"body":"to call yourself a vegan if you're going to be eating animal products."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1816.75,"endTime":1816.97,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1817.41,"endTime":1821.86,"body":"But I am grateful that you have reduced how many animal products you're eating."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1822.16,"endTime":1827.0,"body":"Let me support you any way I can. Let me share recipes. Let me like bring you"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1827.0,"endTime":1830.44,"body":"into a community where we can like help you out and answer questions."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1830.59,"endTime":1833.75,"body":"Yeah. And again, you know, we talked about it before, but kind of the reason"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1833.75,"endTime":1837.28,"body":"for that is like if somebody calls themselves a vegan, but they're eating animal"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1837.28,"endTime":1840.59,"body":"products, then those people are like, OK, vegans sometimes eat animal products."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1840.59,"endTime":1844.89,"body":"So then when vegans who obviously actual strict vegans who never eat animal"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1844.89,"endTime":1847.08,"body":"products interact with those same people, they're like, oh, well,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1847.08,"endTime":1849.91,"body":"vegans sometimes eat animal products. I don't really have to make any accommodation"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1849.91,"endTime":1852.67,"body":"for you or ask, I don't even have to ask your opinion on where we're going to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1852.67,"endTime":1855.58,"body":"eat because you'll figure something out or maybe you'll just eat animal products today."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1855.86,"endTime":1859.48,"body":"Yeah. And I also think it takes visibility away from the actual reason vegans"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1859.48,"endTime":1861.95,"body":"are vegan, which is animals. Yeah. It turns it more into like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1861.95,"endTime":1863.59,"body":"oh, they're probably like vegan for their health."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1863.59,"endTime":1867.25,"body":"Yeah, no, that's true. Like, because if you're occasionally willing to eat animals,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1867.25,"endTime":1871.25,"body":"you clearly don't have an ethical concern with animals. So it makes it very muddled."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1871.58,"endTime":1875.59,"body":"So expecting people to use the right language isn't gatekeeping so much as it"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1875.59,"endTime":1878.89,"body":"is making sure animals remain the focus. Yeah. Moving on from that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1880.75,"endTime":1884.91,"body":"So there was another study from the same people, Faunalytics."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1885.26,"endTime":1890.54,"body":"This is called the Study of Former Vegetarians and Vegans. It was Qualitative Findings from 2015."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1890.83,"endTime":1892.2,"body":"They do a lot of studies around this."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1892.2,"endTime":1893.67,"body":"They do. And we've linked them all."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1894.47,"endTime":1897.93,"body":"So in this study, former vegans and vegetarians were asked to give their primary"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1897.93,"endTime":1899.51,"body":"reason that they stopped the diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1900.63,"endTime":1904.9,"body":"So this one's pretty specific. 32% of those were unsatisfied with the food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1904.9,"endTime":1908.19,"body":"So this was by far the most common reason that people stopped the diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1908.19,"endTime":1909.6,"body":"They were unsatisfied with the food."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1909.78,"endTime":1911.36,"body":"We can help that. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1911.36,"endTime":1913.39,"body":"26% were for health reasons."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1913.81,"endTime":1917.14,"body":"I think we can help with that a lot, too. Just, like, having a community can"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1917.14,"endTime":1921.95,"body":"support you figuring out, like, how to find foods that meet your nutrition needs."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1921.95,"endTime":1926.09,"body":"Yeah. Most of this is just learning how to eat a balanced diet as a vegan or"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1926.09,"endTime":1928.79,"body":"vegetarian, which is tricky if you've never done it before."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1929.06,"endTime":1932.39,"body":"Yeah. If you're operating in a vacuum, it can be hard to figure this stuff out. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1933.13,"endTime":1936.38,"body":"Um, and we talked about it a little bit before just to opine on this a little"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1936.38,"endTime":1940.8,"body":"bit, but a lot of that comes from like you make swaps as a vegan or vegetarian,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1940.8,"endTime":1943.17,"body":"but if you weren't really aware of nutrition, you don't actually know what the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1943.17,"endTime":1944.71,"body":"food you were eating before was giving you."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1944.71,"endTime":1948.13,"body":"Right. So then you swap it into something that's like a totally different set"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1948.13,"endTime":1952.58,"body":"of nutritional benefits and you end up with gaps and you're missing things. Yeah, exactly."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1952.7,"endTime":1957.55,"body":"That you didn't really expect. Like going from dairy cheese to vegan cheese"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1957.55,"endTime":1961.96,"body":"is a big one because dairy cheese has a lot of nutrients and proteins and stuff"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1961.96,"endTime":1964.88,"body":"like that in it, whereas vegan cheese is mostly just oil a lot of the time."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1964.88,"endTime":1970.99,"body":"Yeah, or dairy milk to almond milk or like dairy yogurt to vegan yogurt."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1970.99,"endTime":1974.37,"body":"Yeah, you obviously can still get all those nutrients on a vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1974.62,"endTime":1976.8,"body":"You just have to incorporate more variety of foods."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1977.09,"endTime":1980.27,"body":"Yeah, and it's a lot easier when you have people you can ask questions."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1980.27,"endTime":1985.07,"body":"Yeah, definitely. So, back to the primary reasons that the Vegans and Vegetarians stopped their diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1985.4,"endTime":1990.76,"body":"13% is social issues, which, you know, some of the isolation stuff we were talking about already."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1991.22,"endTime":1993.96,"body":"13% inconvenience, which I totally get."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1994.42,"endTime":1997.4,"body":"Yeah. I wouldn't stop my diet over it, but I understand the frustration."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1997.84,"endTime":2001.96,"body":"6% was cost. Yeah. Which I think some of that's a little education."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2002.31,"endTime":2003.52,"body":"Yeah. Would go a long way for that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2003.52,"endTime":2008.8,"body":"Yeah. Another 6% was lack of motivation, which, you know. Yeah. Is what it is."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2009.3,"endTime":2011.06,"body":"Having a community might help you with that. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2011.27,"endTime":2014.07,"body":"And then 25% other. So a lot of other various reasons."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2014.07,"endTime":2018.28,"body":"Yeah. And some people gave more than one reason. So that's why the numbers don't add up to 100. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2019.1,"endTime":2022.17,"body":"A lot of these reasons actually could be solved with Better Community,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2022.17,"endTime":2025.24,"body":"which is why we're doing this podcast. We can help people find food they like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2025.24,"endTime":2027.89,"body":"better. We can help them figure out how to eat a vegan diet healthily."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2028.21,"endTime":2031.1,"body":"We can help with the social issues, give them a place to vent,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2031.53,"endTime":2035.73,"body":"give them ideas on how to reduce their grocery bill, help them find motivation and stay accountable."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2035.89,"endTime":2039.88,"body":"Yeah, our community helps with all of those things. Yep. Former vegans and vegetarians"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2039.88,"endTime":2043.6,"body":"who said that they were interested in returning to their former diet were asked"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2043.6,"endTime":2047.06,"body":"what they would need to do it. 45% of those said better, tastier,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2047.06,"endTime":2048.28,"body":"and more convenient food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2048.56,"endTime":2051.13,"body":"Almost half. That's all they would need to go back to the diet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2051.13,"endTime":2054.54,"body":"Fucking easy. We just need to teach them. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2054.95,"endTime":2059.81,"body":"21% said motivation slash incentive slash dedication. So just like figuring"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2059.81,"endTime":2061.52,"body":"out how to make themselves do it. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2061.94,"endTime":2066.29,"body":"17% said cost, which animal products are pretty expensive now."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2066.29,"endTime":2071.57,"body":"So maybe since this survey was taken, they feel a little differently about this. And then 13% health."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2071.8,"endTime":2076.37,"body":"Yeah. Which a lot of these really come down to, which we need better information"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2076.37,"endTime":2079.76,"body":"out there so that people can... stay not eating animals."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2079.76,"endTime":2082.63,"body":"Yeah. There is actually some research when it comes to maintaining habits when"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2082.63,"endTime":2084.59,"body":"you surround yourself with people who are doing the same thing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2084.97,"endTime":2088.43,"body":"So this is where the concept of like accountability buddies comes in."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2088.71,"endTime":2092.38,"body":"And this is pretty common in like the fitness crowd in general."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2092.76,"endTime":2095.8,"body":"You know, you have like an accountability partner, you're like telling each"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2095.8,"endTime":2099.28,"body":"other what you eat for the day or you did your workout today or whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2099.62,"endTime":2103.64,"body":"But this can also apply in, you know, any kind of community where you're trying"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2103.64,"endTime":2106.39,"body":"to stick to some idea that kind of goes against the grain."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2106.39,"endTime":2107.38,"body":"Yeah. Like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2107.98,"endTime":2112.21,"body":"recovery programs like AA. That's a really good example of like where having"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2112.21,"endTime":2118.45,"body":"that network can really help you stick to what you want to do or even like religious groups, you know?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2118.45,"endTime":2121.28,"body":"Yeah. I think the most common example of this is church, right? Yeah. Right. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2122.51,"endTime":2125.71,"body":"Yeah. You're having like reinforcement activities every Sunday."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2125.71,"endTime":2129.29,"body":"Also gaming communities are kind of like this, you know, we'll have communities."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2129.29,"endTime":2132.87,"body":"It's mostly for like information and connecting to find people to play the game"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2132.87,"endTime":2134.55,"body":"with, but it's still the same kind of thing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2134.55,"endTime":2137.85,"body":"Like you're just more involved and committed and interested in something when"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2137.85,"endTime":2141.36,"body":"you have a community of people that even you can just talk to about it you don't"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2141.36,"endTime":2144.63,"body":"even have to like participate in things just to like bounce ideas off of people"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2144.63,"endTime":2147.46,"body":"or get questions answered things like that all those things are really helpful."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2147.46,"endTime":2150.87,"body":"Yeah like you go to Friday Night Magic yeah exactly time for you to bond"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2150.87,"endTime":2153.69,"body":"Yeah we're all in like a chat group throughout the week and then we're all like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2153.69,"endTime":2155.22,"body":"talking about what we're going to do Friday night."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2155.72,"endTime":2156.92,"body":"This is how he's made friends"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2158.92,"endTime":2161.29,"body":"Yeah yeah so a community can mean a lot of different things for different people"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2161.29,"endTime":2164.69,"body":"depending on what they need some people will get like you know even in like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2164.69,"endTime":2166.28,"body":"the discord groups or whatever I've seen."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2166.28,"endTime":2169.92,"body":"Like, there are some communities where it's, like, people are sitting in calls"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2169.92,"endTime":2173.28,"body":"all day, like, talking to each other and, like, watching TV together or whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2173.28,"endTime":2175.17,"body":"Like, they're constantly, like, very integrated."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2175.46,"endTime":2177.64,"body":"And then for some other people, it's just, like, I just need a place where I"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2177.64,"endTime":2180.9,"body":"can ask questions from time to time. Right. And both those are totally reasonable."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2180.9,"endTime":2183.47,"body":"And I think, you know, a community can serve all those different needs."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2183.47,"endTime":2187.68,"body":"Yeah. Or even someone who just wants to be in a community, like a Discord server"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2187.68,"endTime":2192.47,"body":"or something, and just be able to, like, maybe not even really participate, but, like, just..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2193.32,"endTime":2198.33,"body":"watch the conversation maybe like a couple things yeah i think that's like totally reasonable"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2198.33,"endTime":2200.86,"body":"Yeah you just like see the chat light up every once around you're like oh right"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2200.86,"endTime":2201.87,"body":"i'm part of this community."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2202.15,"endTime":2206.5,"body":"Yeah i'm pretty introverted so in most places that's how i act"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2206.88,"endTime":2213.56,"body":"Yeah yeah me too but it is nice to be part of them yeah um some people maybe"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2213.56,"endTime":2216.92,"body":"just need like one close vegan friend or family member although that can be"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2216.92,"endTime":2218.48,"body":"pretty hard to find a lot of the time."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2218.48,"endTime":2221.69,"body":"Yeah i don't know Basically just someone that you could call and text when something"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2221.69,"endTime":2226.41,"body":"like shitty happens. Someone who just at a base level understands you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2226.99,"endTime":2229.29,"body":"And I think this person for some people could be like..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2229.99,"endTime":2231.66,"body":"in real life or virtual."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2231.97,"endTime":2235.58,"body":"I think another benefit of kind of the online communities is that a lot of the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2235.58,"endTime":2239.26,"body":"times through the online community, you can find this like one or two people"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2239.26,"endTime":2241.03,"body":"that you form like a direct connection with."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2241.29,"endTime":2244.03,"body":"I mean, I mean, a lot of these communities over the years have spawned like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2244.03,"endTime":2245.83,"body":"you know, marriages and all kinds of stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2245.83,"endTime":2246.82,"body":"Oh, yeah, that's totally true."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2246.82,"endTime":2250.07,"body":"People meet in communities like this and they get a closer connection between"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2250.07,"endTime":2254.22,"body":"them. That's more kind of aside and apart from that community connection in general."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2254.22,"endTime":2256.52,"body":"Yeah, I think that's true. I even see it in our discord. They're,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2256.52,"endTime":2260.15,"body":"like, some people that seem to, like, interact with one another back and forth"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2260.15,"endTime":2261.35,"body":"a little bit more than others. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2261.7,"endTime":2265.07,"body":"Which, you know, that's just how it works. Yeah. Other people prefer to just"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2265.07,"endTime":2267.85,"body":"use social media as a way to connect with other vegans. So maybe it's not part"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2267.85,"endTime":2272.06,"body":"of a dedicated community, but you're just, like, following vegans on threads"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2272.06,"endTime":2273.34,"body":"or Instagram or something like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2273.68,"endTime":2276.68,"body":"Just feeling like you're staying part of the community."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2276.68,"endTime":2280.3,"body":"Right. Instagram and TikTok both have a pretty large vegan presence."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2280.3,"endTime":2285.0,"body":"So if you create a vegan account, you can seek people out over time."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2285.0,"endTime":2288.37,"body":"The algorithm will eventually tweak to show you all the cool vegan things going on."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2288.58,"endTime":2292.53,"body":"Yeah, I will say. So we're just going to give you some ideas on how you can"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2292.53,"endTime":2294.65,"body":"use social media to connect with other vegans."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2294.98,"endTime":2296.74,"body":"So for Instagram and TikTok."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2297.56,"endTime":2301.67,"body":"Now, when we first created our account, I was trying to kind of meet other vegans,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2301.67,"endTime":2305.17,"body":"you know. And it was actually like a little bit hard because you kind of have"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2305.17,"endTime":2309.25,"body":"to go out of your comfort zone and like post a bunch to even like find other"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2309.25,"endTime":2311.76,"body":"people. Or like you have to be commenting a lot to find other people."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2311.76,"endTime":2315.1,"body":"It is kind of hard at the beginning to get it, like, set up to show you the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2315.1,"endTime":2315.96,"body":"stuff you're interested in."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2316.28,"endTime":2319.67,"body":"Or even, like, connect one-on-one is, like, pretty challenging, I would say."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2319.67,"endTime":2320.31,"body":"Yeah, that's very tricky."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2321.35,"endTime":2326.8,"body":"There are some, like, vegan follow-back posts that people will comment on and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2326.8,"endTime":2328.03,"body":"be like, I'm open to, like..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2328.62,"endTime":2331.1,"body":"following other vegans back so they can build friendships and stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2331.1,"endTime":2332.87,"body":"So, like, that might be a good way to do it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2333.23,"endTime":2336.25,"body":"But, yeah, I just think in general, like, if you're looking for,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2336.25,"endTime":2339.56,"body":"like, a specific person who you can build a back and forth with,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2339.56,"endTime":2341.75,"body":"I think Instagram and TikTok can be a little tricky."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2342.13,"endTime":2345.66,"body":"Unless you're, like, posting regularly and interacting in a lot of comment sections. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2345.99,"endTime":2349.35,"body":"I think it's a good place to have access to, like, vegan recipes and vegan news"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2349.35,"endTime":2352.59,"body":"and stuff like that. But not a great place for, like, one-on-one connection."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2352.59,"endTime":2355.62,"body":"Yeah. And then what I will say about Instagram and TikTok..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2356.52,"endTime":2361.34,"body":"Actually, just like Facebook as a general thing is there are a lot of trolls"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2361.48,"endTime":2363.97,"body":"and there are a lot of trolls in vegan spaces."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2364.26,"endTime":2366.94,"body":"So like if that's something that's going to stress you out, maybe that's not"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2367.07,"endTime":2370.23,"body":"like the right place you want to be hanging out because it can be a little annoying."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2370.23,"endTime":2374.0,"body":"That is one of the benefits to like a dedicated community, like maybe a subreddit"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2374.0,"endTime":2378.68,"body":"or a discord, is that the trolls can be dealt with a lot more easily than they"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2378.68,"endTime":2380.48,"body":"can on like a public Instagram post."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2380.48,"endTime":2386.64,"body":"Right. There are also Facebook groups, which are really one of the more common forms of a community."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2386.98,"endTime":2390.16,"body":"And I think people move away from it a little more now since Facebook doesn't"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2390.16,"endTime":2393.84,"body":"get used as much in the same ways. But there are still huge Facebook groups out there."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2393.84,"endTime":2397.13,"body":"Yeah. And there are a lot of vegan ones. Yeah. They're usually private,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2397.13,"endTime":2400.26,"body":"which means that they do a pretty good job of keeping trolls out."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2400.26,"endTime":2403.42,"body":"And sometimes they'll even have like questions you have to answer,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2403.42,"endTime":2406.46,"body":"like answer my questions three before you can come in."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2406.82,"endTime":2410.37,"body":"Yeah. Good places to share recipes and stuff. You're still just kind of commenting"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2410.37,"endTime":2413.5,"body":"on posts or making posts. So it's a little more challenging to have conversations."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2413.84,"endTime":2417.31,"body":"But this is a good option if you already have a Facebook and you just want recipes"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2417.31,"endTime":2420.32,"body":"to be in a community that reminds you that being vegan isn't a weird thing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2420.74,"endTime":2424.47,"body":"The one caveat with Facebook is you do have to use your real name and your real"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2424.47,"endTime":2426.12,"body":"face. So a lot of people don't really like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2427.0,"endTime":2429.9,"body":"I agree with that. Yeah. Like Instagram, there's a bit more anonymity."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2430.24,"endTime":2433.99,"body":"Yeah. And so same with TikTok. But yeah, Facebook's, yeah, kind of weird. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2434.96,"endTime":2439.25,"body":"Reddit is another good place. I think especially to, like, ask questions, get good information."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2439.56,"endTime":2443.38,"body":"There's a ton of vegan subreddits, and there are lots of people there all the"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2443.38,"endTime":2445.91,"body":"time, so you get answers pretty quickly. Oh, yeah, all the time."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2445.91,"endTime":2448.66,"body":"The downside is some of the vegans on Reddit can be pretty, like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2448.66,"endTime":2452.23,"body":"stern or off-putting or very, like, absolutist about veganism."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2453.16,"endTime":2457.56,"body":"May not be the best place for a new vegan or someone who doesn't want to be around negativity."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2457.56,"endTime":2459.18,"body":"Yeah, I think that's fair. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2459.61,"endTime":2462.22,"body":"Just because, you know, we've seen a couple where you, like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2462.22,"endTime":2464.64,"body":"come in and ask a question. You're kind of like, I don't—what do I do?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2464.66,"endTime":2467.62,"body":"and then you just get blasted, which isn't super helpful."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2467.99,"endTime":2473.43,"body":"And, you know, I will like say for vegans in general, I think we're a little, uh,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2474.02,"endTime":2476.92,"body":"maybe sensitive because there's so there's just so many trolls"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2477.78,"endTime":2478.92,"body":"Very defensive and on guard."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2479.04,"endTime":2482.47,"body":"Yeah i mean it's hard not to be because it's like you can't really tell an earnest"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2482.47,"endTime":2485.6,"body":"question from like a baiting question but yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2485.77,"endTime":2486.89,"body":"For sure until you answer."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2486.89,"endTime":2491.01,"body":"It and then and then you find out in general though there are a lot of very"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2491.01,"endTime":2494.96,"body":"kind and helpful vegans on reddit we use it a ton yeah i've"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2495.49,"endTime":2499.58,"body":"interacted with like a ton of super super super nice people and i think coming"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2499.58,"endTime":2504.02,"body":"across people that are like a little less nice is a lot more rare than coming"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2504.02,"endTime":2505.6,"body":"across helpful and kind people. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2505.92,"endTime":2508.99,"body":"Some of our favorite subreddits on Reddit are vegan fitness."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2508.99,"endTime":2513.91,"body":"That's one we're in quite a bit. Eat cheap and vegan. Yeah. There's also vegan recipes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2514.19,"endTime":2518.1,"body":"Shitty vegan food porn has a lot of nice people. Yeah. They're like a lot more"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2518.1,"endTime":2522.29,"body":"relaxed. Vegan chill is pretty nice, but there's a lot of trolls in there."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2522.29,"endTime":2525.93,"body":"Like a lot. So if you're not familiar with Reddit, the way it works is like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2525.93,"endTime":2530.81,"body":"each subreddit is its own community and it has its own rules based off of like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2531.7,"endTime":2534.86,"body":"normal users who are promoted to be the moderators and they run the community."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2534.86,"endTime":2539.0,"body":"Yeah. So there's no like, there are some platform wide rules around like really"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2539.0,"endTime":2543.7,"body":"bad stuff, but just general trolling and discourse is mostly managed per community."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2544.08,"endTime":2546.16,"body":"So vegan chill doesn't actually have any rules."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2546.68,"endTime":2550.23,"body":"Yeah. So you get a lot of, you get a lot of trolls. Vegan for beginners is another"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2550.23,"endTime":2554.54,"body":"good one. People share like simple recipes. I actually mod that one. Yeah. Co-mod that one."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2555.08,"endTime":2556.33,"body":"Like a secondary mod."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2557.67,"endTime":2560.58,"body":"And then we actually have two subreddits of our own, the Protein Deficient Vegan"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2560.58,"endTime":2562.4,"body":"subreddit and the Deficient Vegan subreddit."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2562.58,"endTime":2565.77,"body":"Yeah. And we'll put links to all these subreddits in the show notes as well."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2565.77,"endTime":2569.08,"body":"Yeah. We don't really get a lot of posts in our Deficient Vegans one or the"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2569.08,"endTime":2572.06,"body":"Protein Deficient Vegan one, but just so anyone listening knows,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2572.06,"endTime":2574.65,"body":"you can post in there. Yeah, for sure. We would like you to post in there."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2575.63,"endTime":2578.73,"body":"Once again, though, this is more of like a comment and post format."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2578.73,"endTime":2583.42,"body":"So it's not super conducive to making like actual one-on-one friends or like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2583.42,"endTime":2585.53,"body":"a place where you could have random conversations. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2585.91,"endTime":2590.4,"body":"There's also YouTube. Great place to learn a lot about veganism and vegan recipes in general."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2590.85,"endTime":2593.89,"body":"Probably the worst place to socialize. Although they did just add,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2593.89,"endTime":2598.43,"body":"I guess we're in the process of adding direct messages, which still feels super weird on YouTube. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2598.99,"endTime":2603.33,"body":"But yeah, it's more of definitely like I'm watching TV, but I can also comment and like."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2603.71,"endTime":2605.31,"body":"Yeah. And I will say because"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2606.39,"endTime":2611.15,"body":"For me, because, like, YouTube is so not social, I check my comments,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2611.15,"endTime":2613.73,"body":"like, a lot less. So, like, sorry about that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2614.17,"endTime":2616.49,"body":"If you comment on a video, I probably see it, like, four days later."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2617.51,"endTime":2620.43,"body":"The big one, and we have, you know, a community here, is Discord."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2620.74,"endTime":2624.61,"body":"So, Discord is basically a platform that you can build communities on that are"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2624.61,"endTime":2628.47,"body":"focused around chat and, like, voice calls and stuff like that. But mainly chat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2629.69,"endTime":2633.98,"body":"So, we have a vegan Discord called the Deficient Vegans Discord."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2633.98,"endTime":2636.78,"body":"It's down in the show notes. So we're a little partial to this option,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2636.78,"endTime":2640.46,"body":"but I feel like it's the best format to actually talk to other vegans,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2640.79,"endTime":2642.71,"body":"share struggles and just connect in general."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2642.84,"endTime":2645.51,"body":"Yeah. Like we have a bunch of different channels for different topics."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2645.76,"endTime":2648.75,"body":"You can like break those off into threads and have conversations about some"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2648.75,"endTime":2651.19,"body":"specific thing. You can direct message people. You can like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2651.19,"endTime":2655.58,"body":"if you are really social, you can jump in a voice call with a couple of people. You can do a lot."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2655.58,"endTime":2660.15,"body":"I've seen people like even in discords that aren't specifically for gaming,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2660.15,"endTime":2664.03,"body":"they'll like create a little side channel for people that play the same game."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2664.03,"endTime":2667.11,"body":"And yeah, if you're in our discord and you want us to do that, we're happy to do that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2667.73,"endTime":2671.31,"body":"Yeah. Also happy to add other channels. Like right now we kind of have recipes"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2671.31,"endTime":2673.28,"body":"and food, fitness and nutrition."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2673.55,"endTime":2677.21,"body":"We have an accountability channel, struggles, wins, uh, books,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2677.69,"endTime":2683.02,"body":"books, hobbies and crafts. Or, uh, we also have like a music movies, TV channel."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2683.45,"endTime":2686.53,"body":"Um, and then we are running a book club right now, which is kind of fun."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2686.53,"endTime":2689.22,"body":"Cause there's a lot, I think more interaction in that one. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2689.22,"endTime":2692.93,"body":"And we're all working through the same book, which feels like really good community"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2692.93,"endTime":2695.13,"body":"building. Yeah. And we'll probably add some more stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2695.57,"endTime":2699.82,"body":"If you are in our Discord or want to be in our Discord and have ideas for ways we can make it,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2700.39,"endTime":2703.76,"body":"feel more like a community and a space you want to be in, let us know."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2703.76,"endTime":2707.38,"body":"Yeah, definitely. Also, it's free, which is a big one. There are several vegan"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2707.38,"endTime":2709.42,"body":"communities out there that you have to pay to have access to."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2709.71,"endTime":2713.2,"body":"Yeah, I've been seeing that a lot more and more. It's like, I don't know."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2713.2,"endTime":2715.77,"body":"I'm not going to comment on like how anyone wants to make money,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2715.77,"endTime":2720.0,"body":"but I just, for me, I'd feel kind of bad trying to make money off of people"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2720.0,"endTime":2722.85,"body":"that just really want like a place to interact with other vegans."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2722.85,"endTime":2726.82,"body":"Yeah, I mean, especially if it's not linked to like a specific thing that you're"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2726.82,"endTime":2730.35,"body":"buying, like a course or like some coaching or something like that. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2730.77,"endTime":2734.16,"body":"It's a little awkward to just pay to be in a community."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2734.27,"endTime":2735.17,"body":"Yeah. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2735.4,"endTime":2736.55,"body":"Like a fraternity or something."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2736.55,"endTime":2739.77,"body":"Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't have to pay for ours."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2740.33,"endTime":2744.69,"body":"Another thing with discord is you might be able to find one that's like a local"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2744.69,"endTime":2748.79,"body":"vegan community to you so like around here there's actually a chicago vegan discord"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2749.15,"endTime":2752.87,"body":"but i think a lot of you know the bigger cities with like bigger vegan you know"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2752.87,"endTime":2756.89,"body":"populations in the country or maybe even across the world have like a,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2757.43,"endTime":2761.61,"body":"vegan server that is specific to that region so maybe you can make some friends in your life."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2761.75,"endTime":2764.41,"body":"Yeah the thing i like about discord is like you're not"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2764.99,"endTime":2768.69,"body":"you're not like posting like you would on like other social medias you're just"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2768.69,"endTime":2772.79,"body":"kind of like saying a random thought or like people are having multiple conversations"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2772.79,"endTime":2774.34,"body":"on the same channel about different things it's"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2774.34,"endTime":2775.17,"body":"Kind of a big group chat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2775.33,"endTime":2779.09,"body":"Yeah yeah but like i think kind of the cool thing is you can kind of pick out"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2779.09,"endTime":2782.61,"body":"people that you vibe with like in another discord we were in like i found a"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2782.61,"endTime":2786.24,"body":"girl that i vibed with really well and like we ended up dming each other yeah"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2786.24,"endTime":2789.8,"body":"you know like we had other stuff in common so like we like the same books and stuff so yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2789.8,"endTime":2790.19,"body":"That happens all."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2790.3,"endTime":2794.1,"body":"Time yeah it's like a good place to actually make like real friends you kind"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2794.1,"endTime":2798.12,"body":"of get to like test the waters by like a group chat and you're like oh that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2798.12,"endTime":2801.34,"body":"person's my vibe and then you can go dm them privately if you want yeah there"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2801.34,"endTime":2803.77,"body":"you go and have like a little person that you're just friends with"},{"speaker":"Muscle 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to do it honestly message"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2824.98,"endTime":2827.82,"body":"People on happy cow yeah yeah so there you go maybe you find somebody who's"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2827.82,"endTime":2829.78,"body":"like going to all the vegan restaurants around you and you're like hey."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2830.16,"endTime":2834.59,"body":"No you know i don't know any of these people but i know who eats around us that's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2834.59,"endTime":2838.56,"body":"funny i like recognize their name i'm like oh yeah rosie i don't know who rosie"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2838.56,"endTime":2841.01,"body":"is but i know she eats she eats near us yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2841.43,"endTime":2845.43,"body":"Yeah and not just uh discord there are a lot are like Facebook groups and subreddits"},{"speaker":"Muscle 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I could check those out."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2849.8,"endTime":2852.38,"body":"I would probably start there. Even if you do want to make friends in person,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2852.38,"endTime":2853.56,"body":"that's probably the way to find them."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2853.92,"endTime":2855.86,"body":"And then probably the easiest way to go find them."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2855.86,"endTime":2859.46,"body":"Yeah. If you can't find your people, you might go check with like vegan businesses"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2859.46,"endTime":2862.86,"body":"near you to see if they know of any community groups or maybe just make friends"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2862.86,"endTime":2864.04,"body":"with the business owners. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2864.6,"endTime":2867.36,"body":"I think a lot of them, if there is a vegan group around you,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2867.36,"endTime":2869.66,"body":"they're probably familiar with them like coming in as a group. Yeah, I think so too."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2870.12,"endTime":2871.45,"body":"They'll probably be able to point you in the right direction or something."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2871.59,"endTime":2875.77,"body":"or like tell you their name next time they see them. I don't know, something like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2875.77,"endTime":2878.02,"body":"Give them my business card, please."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2878.56,"endTime":2879.7,"body":"You can also check- A friend card."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2880.84,"endTime":2883.52,"body":"Will you be my friend? We need to make those."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2883.75,"endTime":2887.27,"body":"You can also check out nearby animal sanctuaries or volunteer at pet shelters."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2887.27,"endTime":2888.91,"body":"Maybe you'll find some vegans there. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2890.04,"endTime":2893.64,"body":"And then once you have found your local vegan community, if you want an in-person"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2893.64,"endTime":2898.13,"body":"one, you can have, like, meetups and potlucks, do group visits to an animal shelter."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2898.81,"endTime":2901.91,"body":"You could host volunteer events like a vegan food kitchen."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2902.18,"endTime":2902.45,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2903.0,"endTime":2906.41,"body":"Participate in activism together. Check out vegan restaurants together."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2907.06,"endTime":2911.36,"body":"Maybe have, like, an in-person book club, cooking club, movie nights,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2911.36,"endTime":2912.99,"body":"whatever. Knitting club. Knitting club."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2912.99,"endTime":2915.81,"body":"Some people may not need any of this actively talking to other vegans,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2915.81,"endTime":2919.7,"body":"but it can still feel good to exist. Yeah. Even passively in the vegan spaces"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2919.7,"endTime":2921.58,"body":"like you're going to talk about. Maybe we just like monitor."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2921.94,"endTime":2923.63,"body":"Like watch all the people be vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2923.63,"endTime":2927.77,"body":"You just want to be in the presence of a vegan. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2928.31,"endTime":2930.84,"body":"You don't necessarily need to interact to feel like you're part of a community."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2930.84,"endTime":2931.04,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2932.24,"endTime":2934.53,"body":"I mean, I feel like I'm kind of one of those people."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2934.83,"endTime":2937.13,"body":"A lurker. We call it a lurker in internet terms."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2937.13,"endTime":2939.48,"body":"I kind of feel like I am like a bit of a lurker. Yeah. I mean,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2939.48,"endTime":2943.07,"body":"I know we have ours and I participate in it, but like in general,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2943.07,"endTime":2945.87,"body":"like I am a bit of a lurker. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2946.83,"endTime":2950.2,"body":"If you are a lurker, some of the things you could do is listen to vegan podcasts,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2950.48,"endTime":2954.03,"body":"watch vegan YouTube videos, follow vegan creators, make sure you're seeing vegan"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2954.03,"endTime":2956.6,"body":"content when you're scrolling on social media and not whatever else."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2957.45,"endTime":2959.09,"body":"And reading vegan books is a good way too."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2959.09,"endTime":2963.04,"body":"If you want, like, real-life vegan friends, I actually think that can be a lot"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2963.04,"endTime":2965.21,"body":"harder to do, especially if, like, you're not in school anymore."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2965.21,"endTime":2968.47,"body":"Yeah, I think, honestly, just making friends as an adult is kind of hard in"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2968.47,"endTime":2970.22,"body":"general, especially if you're introverted."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2970.22,"endTime":2973.74,"body":"I did find some ideas. So, like, aside from the other ideas we found about,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2973.74,"endTime":2975.59,"body":"like, finding, like, a community, if you're just looking for,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2975.59,"endTime":2978.34,"body":"like, one person. Yeah. Maybe you don't want to be part of, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2978.34,"endTime":2981.37,"body":"a large community of 20 people or something. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2981.54,"endTime":2983.37,"body":"But you could do some volunteering."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2983.79,"endTime":2989.95,"body":"um there's like a vegan work.com slash volunteer and they had volunteer opportunities"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2990.55,"endTime":2991.52,"body":"you'd probably find vegans"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2991.52,"endTime":2996.21,"body":"There yeah you can attend like vegan festivals like uh if you go to americanvegan.org"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2996.21,"endTime":3000.67,"body":"slash veg fest there's that there's also a happy cow on their website they have"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3000.67,"endTime":3001.98,"body":"an event section that has vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3001.98,"endTime":3005.78,"body":"Events and they have a ton of events so you should probably maybe find one in"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3005.78,"endTime":3008.79,"body":"your area or maybe even like a couple hours away it wouldn't be a bad thing"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3009.13,"endTime":3010.61,"body":"to find a friend that was like a couple hours away"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3010.96,"endTime":3013.98,"body":"You could maybe go to a Vegandale and find a friend while you're standing in line for four."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3013.98,"endTime":3019.3,"body":"Hours. Wondering what the fuck Elwood's dog food is. Having to Google it to"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3019.3,"endTime":3021.33,"body":"see if they're actually using dog. They're not, by the way."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3022.55,"endTime":3024.48,"body":"Don't give up. Spoiler. That's a spoiler."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3024.48,"endTime":3025.66,"body":"Sorry. Spoiler alert."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3025.66,"endTime":3030.3,"body":"You got to dig for that information. It's part of the experience."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3030.3,"endTime":3031.05,"body":"The shock."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3032.09,"endTime":3035.86,"body":"All right. You can also take a vegan or plant-based cooking class if you can"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3035.86,"endTime":3038.61,"body":"find one. And sometimes the vegan restaurants around you will know information"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3038.61,"endTime":3039.99,"body":"about this or maybe even they'll be hosting them."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3040.33,"endTime":3043.95,"body":"Yeah. You go to local vegan restaurants. Yeah. I don't know how you're going"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3043.95,"endTime":3047.12,"body":"to approach people. I'm really awkward, so I probably never would."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3047.12,"endTime":3050.03,"body":"I would recommend you just sit in there all day, open to close,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3050.03,"endTime":3052.1,"body":"every day until you find somebody that comes in and eats alone,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3052.1,"endTime":3052.83,"body":"and then you go sit with them."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3052.83,"endTime":3053.63,"body":"Go sit with them? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3054.19,"endTime":3057.54,"body":"Sometimes I'll just randomly poke people and be like, I like your tattoos."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3057.54,"endTime":3061.11,"body":"And then they'll be like, um, thanks. And then I'll walk away."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3061.95,"endTime":3062.54,"body":"You're doing great."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3062.54,"endTime":3063.45,"body":"It doesn't work."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3067.65,"endTime":3069.17,"body":"I don't know how to make friends as a grown-up."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3070.61,"endTime":3072.7,"body":"Also, like we said, you can join like vegan Discord servers,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3072.7,"endTime":3075.96,"body":"vegan Facebook groups, pick your one friend that you vibe with and then get"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3075.96,"endTime":3078.07,"body":"the hell out of the group. You can do that if you want."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3078.07,"endTime":3081.35,"body":"You can do that. You can attend vegan conferences. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3081.35,"endTime":3085.23,"body":"And then sometimes you might get lucky and find a vegan follow back post on"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3085.23,"endTime":3087.94,"body":"Instagram and maybe you find like a person that you connect with."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3087.94,"endTime":3093.59,"body":"Option number 12 or whatever number we're on, you can convert all your existing friends to vegans."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3093.89,"endTime":3094.99,"body":"You might lose some along the way."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3096.51,"endTime":3098.51,"body":"Whatever. For the greater good."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3099.69,"endTime":3102.93,"body":"I do think it's worth mentioning that if you surround yourself only with vegans,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3103.17,"endTime":3106.22,"body":"it can become kind of an echo chamber and you might lose touch with how you"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3106.22,"endTime":3110.15,"body":"thought about things before you were vegan or challenges that you faced when you were going vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3110.49,"endTime":3113.53,"body":"So if you're interested in outreach, helping others move towards veganism,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3114.39,"endTime":3118.27,"body":"it's kind of important to stay grounded and kind so you don't scare them away from veganism. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3118.71,"endTime":3121.85,"body":"I feel like there are a lot of vegans that talk like they were vegan since the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3121.85,"endTime":3125.49,"body":"day they were born. Yeah. And maybe they've only been vegan for like a year or two."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3125.86,"endTime":3128.04,"body":"And, you know, it's just..."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3128.82,"endTime":3131.89,"body":"You have to remember that, like, you used to think a lot of those same things"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3131.89,"endTime":3135.09,"body":"before you were vegan. Yeah. So why are you being so hard on these people?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3135.42,"endTime":3138.68,"body":"I see a lot of that in, like, vegan spaces about vegetarians."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3138.68,"endTime":3142.97,"body":"And as someone who was a vegetarian for a stupidly long time. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3143.67,"endTime":3145.87,"body":"I have, like, a very big soft spot for vegetarians just because,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3145.87,"endTime":3149.02,"body":"like, I know from personal experience, like, you can convert them."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3149.02,"endTime":3150.52,"body":"Yeah. So, like, be nice to them."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3150.52,"endTime":3153.61,"body":"Yeah, definitely. Similarly, it's worth mentioning that especially when you're"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3153.61,"endTime":3158.28,"body":"in a larger vegan community, it's important to avoid, like, perfectionism and gatekeeping culture."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3158.74,"endTime":3161.74,"body":"It's not to say that you like let people post their chicken dinner in the community"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3161.74,"endTime":3163.67,"body":"because they only eat chicken once a week or something."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3163.81,"endTime":3167.3,"body":"But it should be a safe space for vegans to exist in a vegan space."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3167.84,"endTime":3171.6,"body":"But it's also worth remembering that everyone is at different parts of their vegan journey."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3171.92,"endTime":3175.89,"body":"And people who are newer into veganism are often the ones who need the community the most."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3176.15,"endTime":3176.43,"body":"Yeah, exactly."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3176.43,"endTime":3178.77,"body":"And they're still like making mistakes and trying to figure it out."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3179.15,"endTime":3183.46,"body":"Right. If someone's like, oh, shit, like I accidentally bought this thing with dairy."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3183.46,"endTime":3186.74,"body":"Like definitely don't browbeat them and be like, you should have read the ingredients."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3186.74,"endTime":3190.92,"body":"Be like, oh, my God, I, you know, I did that when I first went vegan and I felt"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3190.92,"endTime":3194.35,"body":"so bad. Like, don't, you know, just like try to look better next time."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3194.35,"endTime":3197.6,"body":"Yeah. I mean, making them feel like they're not good enough can be really demoralizing"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3197.6,"endTime":3199.82,"body":"when they're actually trying and it can make them feel unwelcome."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3200.1,"endTime":3203.93,"body":"Right. I think that's like a big one in general. It's like we all want to do"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3203.93,"endTime":3207.95,"body":"the very best we can, but we should give people grace if they're trying."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3208.27,"endTime":3208.51,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3209.21,"endTime":3213.31,"body":"I think a lot of this comes down to, do you need an in-person friendship or"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3213.31,"endTime":3215.33,"body":"is an online community enough for you?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3215.98,"endTime":3218.11,"body":"How about you? How do you personally feel?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3218.32,"endTime":3222.82,"body":"So for me, I've been in online communities since like the dial-up internet days"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3222.82,"endTime":3224.16,"body":"because I'm a little computer nerd."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3224.92,"endTime":3227.97,"body":"So I find those very natural and comfortable personally."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3228.82,"endTime":3231.98,"body":"It's also a little easier to stay in contact with an online community because"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3231.98,"endTime":3233.74,"body":"it's more asynchronous."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3234.1,"endTime":3237.6,"body":"like you don't have to like find time in each other's calendars or like figure"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3237.6,"endTime":3240.55,"body":"out when you're both available to go do a thing or like we'll travel together"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3240.55,"endTime":3241.69,"body":"out of town or something like that,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3242.16,"endTime":3245.86,"body":"um you just like say something and then the person replies back or the community"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3245.86,"endTime":3249.31,"body":"replies back at some point yeah so for me that's like much more natural than"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3249.31,"endTime":3252.53,"body":"trying to make in-person friends i've never been like super good at that i mean"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3252.53,"endTime":3255.17,"body":"i do have some yeah yeah but i've just it's been a lot"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3255.53,"endTime":3258.02,"body":"easier for me to be involved in online communities,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3258.58,"endTime":3262.23,"body":"And that's really, I don't need a lot of in-person friends. I have a couple"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3262.23,"endTime":3266.51,"body":"of in-person friends who I've had, you know, a long time. And, you know, I'm good."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3267.49,"endTime":3269.06,"body":"But I do like meeting new people online."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3269.06,"endTime":3272.63,"body":"Yeah. No, I think I'm kind of the same. I think it's like because I moved when"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3272.63,"endTime":3277.05,"body":"I was young and like had to keep in touch, like emailing and writing people"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3277.05,"endTime":3279.78,"body":"like that were my friends in my other state that I lived in."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3280.22,"endTime":3285.01,"body":"And then like I moved away for college and then I left college and went to different co-ops."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3285.01,"endTime":3288.46,"body":"And then I like went to a different state for a job and went to another state"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3288.46,"endTime":3292.72,"body":"for a job. And it's just like any friends that I've made in any of those various"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3292.72,"endTime":3296.14,"body":"places end up kind of being like we're texting friends and maybe I'll see you"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3296.14,"endTime":3297.96,"body":"once every two or three years. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3298.23,"endTime":3300.85,"body":"You know, and I don't know. That's enough for me. I'm pretty introverted."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3300.85,"endTime":3305.73,"body":"So, yeah, online stuff's pretty much fine for me."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3305.86,"endTime":3309.14,"body":"Yeah. Plus, like, I have you in person. Like, you're vegan and I have you so"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3309.14,"endTime":3310.24,"body":"I can, like, kind of rant to you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3310.47,"endTime":3313.39,"body":"I think if I didn't have you, that would kind of suck."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3313.39,"endTime":3315.36,"body":"Yeah, we get to rant to each other a lot. It helps."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3315.69,"endTime":3318.93,"body":"Yeah. Though I will say, you know, I was a vegetarian for a really long time"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3318.93,"endTime":3320.39,"body":"without, like, any community."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3320.39,"endTime":3323.51,"body":"And, I mean, I stuck to it. So, I guess I was fine."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3323.51,"endTime":3328.11,"body":"Yeah. But I will say, like, now I didn't really feel like this until our Discord,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3328.11,"endTime":3332.1,"body":"just because I think all the other places online, I kind of feel a little guarded"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3332.52,"endTime":3335.97,"body":"of, like, trying to say just the right thing so I don't make people pissed or something."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3335.97,"endTime":3338.16,"body":"But, like, I feel like in our Discord, it's, like, the first time I can just"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3338.16,"endTime":3340.6,"body":"kind of, like, say whatever stupid things on my brain without,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3340.6,"endTime":3343.82,"body":"like, a filter kind of. Yeah. And it's, like, a nice place because,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3343.82,"endTime":3346.18,"body":"like, I know there aren't trolls there. So I'm just, like, I don't have to worry"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3346.18,"endTime":3349.17,"body":"about being attacked by, like, random anti-vegans and stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3349.17,"endTime":3351.05,"body":"Yeah, it is a troll-free zone."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3351.05,"endTime":3354.64,"body":"Yeah, which is honestly nice because I post on a lot of different platforms"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3354.64,"endTime":3357.61,"body":"and I get a lot of trolls and it's honestly like really exhausting."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3357.61,"endTime":3362.8,"body":"It's so far anyway. I mean, we plan to aggressively deal with any trolls that happen to show up. We'll,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3365.1,"endTime":3365.26,"body":"see."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3365.51,"endTime":3369.61,"body":"Yeah. So I guess for me, online friendships is totally my vibe."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3370.29,"endTime":3373.29,"body":"So maybe you don't feel like you're missing out on any community or you don't"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3373.29,"endTime":3375.73,"body":"feel like regular vegan community is something that you even need."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3376.54,"endTime":3380.98,"body":"It could be still helpful when you're struggling. And I think it's just worth keeping in mind. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3381.93,"endTime":3386.22,"body":"Vegans in general are like really caring and supportive and they want people to join the cause."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3386.22,"endTime":3389.1,"body":"So most of them are going to do everything they can to help you,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3389.1,"endTime":3393.11,"body":"you know, make that transition or figure out, you know, how to make it fit into your life."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3393.11,"endTime":3396.23,"body":"And we just want to see each other succeed. So if you're struggling or like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3396.23,"endTime":3399.29,"body":"doubting yourself or maybe you're getting a lot of pressure or guilt trips from"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3399.29,"endTime":3403.56,"body":"your family, it can be really nice to have a place to vent, even if it is just an online community."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3403.56,"endTime":3407.54,"body":"Yeah. Or even if you're just doing a Reddit post and you want a few people to"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3407.54,"endTime":3410.4,"body":"tell you that they get it or they've had a similar experience and it's going to be OK. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3411.08,"endTime":3415.02,"body":"I think that's important. If you're struggling as a vegan or even a vegetarian,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3415.02,"endTime":3419.44,"body":"I think, you know, finding people that you can at least vent to that will understand is helpful."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3419.44,"endTime":3422.29,"body":"Yeah. Some things I've actually seen on Reddit a lot are vegans having like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3422.29,"endTime":3425.74,"body":"a health scare or like a new allergy and trying to work through what they can eat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3426.58,"endTime":3429.35,"body":"Obviously, you should go to your doctor for a lot of those things."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3429.35,"endTime":3431.48,"body":"And people will recommend most of the time that you go to a doctor."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3431.48,"endTime":3435.36,"body":"But it is a great thing about having a large community like Reddit or Discord,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3435.36,"endTime":3437.83,"body":"even like Facebook groups, is that somebody will probably be able to offer some"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3437.83,"endTime":3440.69,"body":"advice. Like, hey, I also went through that. Go to your doctor,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3440.69,"endTime":3443.49,"body":"but here's like probably what they're going to say. Here's probably like what"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3443.49,"endTime":3444.59,"body":"you might need to think about."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3444.59,"endTime":3447.37,"body":"Or I see people like, oh, shit, I developed a soy allergy. Like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3447.37,"endTime":3448.41,"body":"I have no idea what to eat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3448.41,"endTime":3451.15,"body":"Yeah, kind of easy. We just say, here's all the stuff you can eat without soy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3451.24,"endTime":3454.06,"body":"Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So there's definitely a lot of advice for that kind of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3454.06,"endTime":3456.52,"body":"thing. Just like navigating tricky situations."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3456.52,"endTime":3460.01,"body":"Yeah. I've also seen a lot of posts where someone accidentally will eat an animal"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3460.01,"endTime":3464.08,"body":"product and then they feel really, really bad about it. Or like maybe they accidentally"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3464.08,"endTime":3467.01,"body":"hit an animal while they were driving and they feel really horrible about it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3467.4,"endTime":3470.61,"body":"And it's like, you know, just having that like incredible guilty feeling,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3470.61,"endTime":3473.64,"body":"having a vegan community that can help you through that is is helpful."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3473.64,"endTime":3477.17,"body":"There are actually a lot of posts like that in the vegan subreddit where it's"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3477.17,"endTime":3480.43,"body":"like for one reason or another, like I accidentally ate some food and now I"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3480.43,"endTime":3483.76,"body":"feel really bad. And that's it seems like they get a lot of support."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3484.64,"endTime":3487.64,"body":"Another big one is just general fatigue. Like you can have burnout just like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3487.64,"endTime":3491.82,"body":"you do at a job because a lot of us spend time trying to educate or honestly,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3491.82,"endTime":3494.54,"body":"it's like answering the same random questions over and over again."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3494.54,"endTime":3497.18,"body":"And just like we do at work, which can cause a little bit of burnout."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3498.5,"endTime":3501.54,"body":"there's also activism fatigue and depending on what kind of activism you're"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3501.54,"endTime":3503.76,"body":"doing it can feel pretty draining emotionally and."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3503.76,"endTime":3508.67,"body":"Mentally yeah and compassion fatigue is actually a real one too if you're so like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3509.08,"endTime":3512.53,"body":"most of us are people who care very deeply about animals and you're living in"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3512.53,"endTime":3517.37,"body":"a world that like exploits them constantly in all kinds of horrible ways so"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3517.37,"endTime":3520.91,"body":"it can be very overwhelming like just even going to the grocery store and having"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3520.91,"endTime":3523.36,"body":"to walk through the meat section to get where you're going can be"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3524.03,"endTime":3527.83,"body":"like a little sucky you know what i mean yeah so it's helpful to have other"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3527.83,"endTime":3530.48,"body":"vegans that can help you work through some of those feelings maybe have like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3530.48,"endTime":3531.79,"body":"some tips on how to work through that"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3532.11,"endTime":3535.64,"body":"Yeah having support systems in general can really help change your experience"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3535.64,"endTime":3539.59,"body":"of being a vegan yeah i think community is also super important for new vegans"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3539.59,"endTime":3542.87,"body":"because you're still trying to figure everything out there are a lot of little things that maybe"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3543.17,"endTime":3545.81,"body":"you have questions about or you're like you're not understand like how where"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3545.81,"endTime":3549.18,"body":"do i find shoes or like right how do i get clothes like Like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3549.18,"endTime":3550.55,"body":"oh, these things have animal products?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3550.55,"endTime":3556.33,"body":"Who knew? Like, the toilet paper has gelatin, which I guess toilet paper vegan? I don't know."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3556.83,"endTime":3559.72,"body":"Yeah, there's just a lot of stuff you have to learn. Yeah. But you don't need"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3559.72,"endTime":3563.35,"body":"to do it alone. And you should be relying on people that have already done it before you."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3563.67,"endTime":3568.08,"body":"Yeah. And ask questions. You should be able to find at least one community where"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3568.08,"endTime":3571.55,"body":"you can feel pretty free to ask questions and not get harassed about it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3571.55,"endTime":3572.75,"body":"Yeah, absolutely."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3573.11,"endTime":3576.52,"body":"Sometimes when you've been vegan for a while, it's not as obvious why you would"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3576.52,"endTime":3577.56,"body":"need a community because you"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3577.56,"endTime":3581.02,"body":"figured out the diet. that you already know what to buy, what not to buy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3581.26,"endTime":3584.04,"body":"And your personal reason for being vegan is already very solid."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3584.04,"endTime":3585.93,"body":"And you just don't really need information anymore."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3586.14,"endTime":3591.67,"body":"Yeah, this is this one's interesting because I so I posted the book club on my socials."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3592.04,"endTime":3595.34,"body":"And I had a couple of people on TikTok basically say, you know,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3595.34,"endTime":3597.29,"body":"I've been vegan for some of them."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3597.29,"endTime":3599.54,"body":"I think it was like 15 to 20 years. I had a couple of people say this,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3599.54,"endTime":3603.92,"body":"but they were like, I actually, you know, don't go out of my way to read vegan stuff anymore."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3603.92,"endTime":3606.78,"body":"I don't like really go out of my way to interact with vegans anymore because"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3606.78,"endTime":3610.31,"body":"I've just kind of reached this part of like, I'm staying vegan but I'm kind"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3610.31,"endTime":3614.34,"body":"of fatigued on all of that but I'm really glad to see you know vegans are out"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3614.34,"endTime":3617.15,"body":"there doing book clubs and trying to like spread it"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3617.34,"endTime":3620.82,"body":"Yeah I think community can still help because just being able to talk to people"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3620.82,"endTime":3624.04,"body":"who share your values is valuable like being able to find and share new recipes"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3624.04,"endTime":3625.72,"body":"with people who are interested is nice"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3626.11,"endTime":3628.92,"body":"and I think I mean this is pretty common with anything if you have interests"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3628.92,"endTime":3632.89,"body":"like you know I have interests like 3D printing or cars or computers like I'm"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3632.89,"endTime":3637.97,"body":"in some form of community for most of those things and it's like I don't really I'm not,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3638.46,"endTime":3641.19,"body":"I mean, I still learn things from time to time, but, like, a lot of the stuff"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3641.19,"endTime":3643.99,"body":"that gets talked about in those communities is stuff I've known for 20 years."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3643.99,"endTime":3647.78,"body":"So, it's not like I'm constantly needing the reassurance."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3648.03,"endTime":3650.8,"body":"It's just like, oh, like, I like cars and I'm in this, like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3650.8,"endTime":3653.42,"body":"community, people talking about cars. It's cool. It's interesting."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3653.42,"endTime":3655.9,"body":"Right. And like we talked about before, even if you're just,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3655.9,"endTime":3658.33,"body":"like, someone who wants to observe stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3658.58,"endTime":3662.82,"body":"I mean, you know, obviously, their algorithm is attuned to veganism or they"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3662.82,"endTime":3666.09,"body":"wouldn't have seen my post, right? So it seems like they're probably still at"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3666.09,"endTime":3670.53,"body":"least getting vegan reels and stuff, and maybe they're looking at recipes. So that's cool."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3670.68,"endTime":3673.94,"body":"Yeah, definitely. So if you are looking for a vegan community and you don't"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3673.94,"endTime":3677.43,"body":"know where to find one, I would suggest starting with our Deficient Vegans Discord server."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3677.43,"endTime":3680.94,"body":"Yes, we might be a little biased, but there's a ton of really nice,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3680.94,"endTime":3682.67,"body":"very helpful and kind people."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3683.65,"endTime":3685.76,"body":"Lots of different channels, lots of different interests."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3685.76,"endTime":3688.77,"body":"Yeah, the link is down in the show notes. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3688.77,"endTime":3693.18,"body":"There's also a lot of food and tasty recipes shared pretty regularly."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3693.18,"endTime":3695.87,"body":"And, you know, we talked about here, some of these surveys have shown that the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3695.87,"endTime":3699.74,"body":"food is the number one hurdle and getting people back in, like finding tasty"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3699.74,"endTime":3702.24,"body":"food is the number one thing. So if that's something you're looking for,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3702.24,"endTime":3703.05,"body":"we've got a whole lot of that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3703.49,"endTime":3705.84,"body":"Yeah. We also have the Vegan Book Club going on right now."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3706.59,"endTime":3710.12,"body":"Looking into starting up some more clubs, like potentially a movie club,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3710.12,"endTime":3713.89,"body":"maybe a recipe club where we all kind of make a recipe and see how it goes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3714.14,"endTime":3717.17,"body":"Yeah. Still working out some of the logistics there, but trying to make it more"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3717.17,"endTime":3720.76,"body":"of like a shared community space where people really interact with each other. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3720.94,"endTime":3723.33,"body":"So we'd love to have you there. And if you have any suggestions on what would"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3723.33,"endTime":3725.05,"body":"make the community even better, we'd love to hear those, too."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3725.47,"endTime":3728.92,"body":"We'd also like to hear in the comments how you guys have made personal vegan"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3728.92,"endTime":3730.4,"body":"friends or found a vegan community."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3730.59,"endTime":3730.93,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3731.32,"endTime":3733.73,"body":"Because there are a lot of ways to go about it. Yes. We'd love to hear some"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3733.73,"endTime":3736.54,"body":"success stories so maybe other people can follow suit."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3736.54,"endTime":3738.7,"body":"Tell us how you found your vegan best friend."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3738.7,"endTime":3742.59,"body":"Okay. So I am a personal trainer, and I did an ask me anything a while back"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3742.59,"endTime":3744.26,"body":"on Reddit. I had a bunch of questions come in."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3744.51,"endTime":3748.62,"body":"So we have a segment called Bite Size Coaching Now, where I answer a question"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3748.62,"endTime":3751.66,"body":"that came in to me either through the AMA or maybe through some personal interactions"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3751.66,"endTime":3754.32,"body":"with clients or people in the community or whatever."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3754.69,"endTime":3756.82,"body":"And I get to ask him the question."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3756.82,"endTime":3757.88,"body":"All right. What's the question?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3757.88,"endTime":3758.43,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3758.93,"endTime":3762.18,"body":"What would you recommend for someone who wants to lose weight but has very little"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3762.18,"endTime":3763.97,"body":"time to spend working out or cooking?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3764.36,"endTime":3768.14,"body":"Yeah. Well, if you're just trying to lose weight, the good news is you don't"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3768.14,"endTime":3769.91,"body":"really need to spend any extra time at all."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3770.59,"endTime":3773.64,"body":"90% of weight management specifically happens in the kitchen."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3774.19,"endTime":3777.51,"body":"The best thing you can do is get a kitchen scale and a calorie tracking app"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3777.85,"endTime":3781.85,"body":"and track everything you eat so you can get yourself into a calorie deficit to slowly lose weight."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3782.25,"endTime":3785.03,"body":"If you've never tracked before, it's a little tedious at first."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3785.03,"endTime":3788.24,"body":"But once you get the hang of it, it literally just takes a couple of seconds each time you eat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3788.71,"endTime":3792.37,"body":"and is even faster if you tend to eat the same things on rotation because they'll"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3792.37,"endTime":3794.66,"body":"be like in the history of the app. So you just open it. You're like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3794.66,"endTime":3798.88,"body":"yes, I ate my protein oatmeal thing that I make every morning and it takes literally a second."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3798.88,"endTime":3802.52,"body":"Yeah. Like you can get in a lot of the apps, you can create recipes or meals."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3802.7,"endTime":3803.12,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3803.12,"endTime":3805.4,"body":"And then you can just go through your recipe list and click,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3805.4,"endTime":3808.48,"body":"click, click, click, click. Yeah. And if you use protein deficient vegan recipes,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3808.48,"endTime":3811.47,"body":"you can just go find them because I put them all in there. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3811.47,"endTime":3813.91,"body":"They're all in MyFitnessPal specifically. So if you use the other apps,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3813.91,"endTime":3815.62,"body":"you can't do that. So you have to use MyFitnessPal."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3815.62,"endTime":3818.07,"body":"Sorry about that. They don't have that. No."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3818.76,"endTime":3822.25,"body":"And I will say that's just for weight specifically. Like there's also like how"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3822.25,"endTime":3824.84,"body":"are you going to look when you get down to your goal weight?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3824.84,"endTime":3827.21,"body":"That's kind of where you start thinking about, okay, I do want to be in the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3827.21,"endTime":3829.06,"body":"gym, build a little bit of muscle, things like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3829.46,"endTime":3834.57,"body":"But if your number one goal is just losing weight, it's basically entirely a kitchen problem."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3835.31,"endTime":3836.79,"body":"Which I feel like is good and bad."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3836.79,"endTime":3837.73,"body":"Yeah, no, absolutely."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3837.73,"endTime":3841.24,"body":"Like it's like, oh, okay, but also I didn't want you to tell me that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3841.24,"endTime":3845.51,"body":"That's always the answer. Yeah. I remember I had a cousin once like a long time"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3845.51,"endTime":3846.65,"body":"ago when I lost a bunch of weight."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3847.09,"endTime":3849.56,"body":"And they were basically like, oh, what did you do to lose that?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3849.56,"endTime":3852.86,"body":"And I was like, we were at a family reunion or something. I was eating a piece of pie."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3853.16,"endTime":3855.3,"body":"And I was basically like, I don't eat stuff like this very much."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3855.3,"endTime":3857.51,"body":"And they were like, that is not what I wanted to hear. I walked away."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3857.83,"endTime":3860.79,"body":"The worst thing you could have said to me. And then they smacked you in the face."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3862.01,"endTime":3865.57,"body":"Yeah. So it is what it is. I can't help how the math works."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3866.97,"endTime":3869.69,"body":"So now we're going to do my favorite part where you read us some of the very"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3869.69,"endTime":3872.2,"body":"mean things that people said to you on social media this week."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3872.37,"endTime":3873.31,"body":"Do you have anything this week?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3873.49,"endTime":3876.78,"body":"I have a lot. Okay. But I'm going to go on a rant for a second."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3876.78,"endTime":3877.68,"body":"Oh, okay. Let's hear that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3878.0,"endTime":3881.95,"body":"Okay. So, I posted my high-protein rice crispy treats."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3882.06,"endTime":3883.81,"body":"Oh, I like those. Everybody likes those, actually."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3883.93,"endTime":3885.19,"body":"That use edamame puffs. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3886.1,"endTime":3890.03,"body":"And it went, it did pretty well. Yeah. But when a post does well now,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3890.68,"endTime":3895.51,"body":"for some reason, everybody tags a man in my comment section named Liam."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3896.43,"endTime":3897.21,"body":"Who the hell is Liam?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3897.59,"endTime":3900.82,"body":"I guess he's some large content creator that talks about beans."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3900.82,"endTime":3901.18,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3901.66,"endTime":3903.45,"body":"If you're doing that, I don't like it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3906.01,"endTime":3909.35,"body":"I worked really hard on that post, and now it's all about fucking Liam."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3910.81,"endTime":3913.85,"body":"We have to know this random man on the internet likes your recipe."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3913.85,"endTime":3918.58,"body":"They're like, I'm a little skeptical. Liam, can you tell me if this is good?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3918.58,"endTime":3921.16,"body":"And then they're like, I don't know where to find this product."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3921.47,"endTime":3923.2,"body":"Liam, could you help me?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3923.89,"endTime":3928.25,"body":"Liam is Google. I thought it was called Google, but it's actually called Liam."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3928.25,"endTime":3930.69,"body":"Why is Liam's opinion more important than my opinion?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3933.88,"endTime":3934.99,"body":"Is Liam a vegan? Do you know?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3934.99,"endTime":3938.69,"body":"No, he's not even a vegan. Interesting. Stop tagging this man."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3940.45,"endTime":3944.28,"body":"so yeah that's that's my mean my mean comment of the week because i got like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3944.28,"endTime":3946.65,"body":"a hundred of them they're like a hundred liam tags"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3947.07,"endTime":3950.13,"body":"Yeah liam will never answer your prayers people."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3951.85,"endTime":3956.37,"body":"He might we don't know i also feel like that's a catch 22 what if he doesn't"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3956.37,"endTime":3959.73,"body":"like it then he just blasts me i don't know no well"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3960.7,"endTime":3961.68,"body":"Liam can be wrong."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3962.1,"endTime":3965.04,"body":"Liam could be wrong. You should still make them."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3965.04,"endTime":3966.8,"body":"Is Liam infallible, you think?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3967.62,"endTime":3968.64,"body":"People seem to think so."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3969.22,"endTime":3969.71,"body":"Interesting."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3969.71,"endTime":3970.8,"body":"What I want to know is..."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3970.8,"endTime":3972.7,"body":"No disrespect. I have no idea who Liam is."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3972.7,"endTime":3973.64,"body":"I'm sure Liam's great."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3975.2,"endTime":3978.36,"body":"It's not his fault they're tagging him, probably. Well, he probably asked people"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3978.36,"endTime":3982.08,"body":"to, I guess. But, you know, still. He can't control what they comment on."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3983.02,"endTime":3986.46,"body":"I just think it's interesting that I have a video that finally does really well,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3986.46,"endTime":3987.9,"body":"and it just becomes about Liam."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3990.19,"endTime":3994.2,"body":"and that's why it's me anyways i'm sure liam is great stop tagging him"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3996.32,"endTime":3998.02,"body":"all right so that's that"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3999.72,"endTime":4001.12,"body":"Okay we've got a few updates this week."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4001.54,"endTime":4003.98,"body":"I also had people tell me that soy is bad"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4004.38,"endTime":4007.02,"body":"Oh yeah i'm seeing that a lot this week i got."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4007.7,"endTime":4011.13,"body":"So many people being like soy lowers testosterone just thought everyone should"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4011.13,"endTime":4014.67,"body":"know soy does this soy does that soy doesn't do that Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4014.67,"endTime":4018.83,"body":"I mean, I feel like at this point, the trolls are just like a Google away from"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4018.83,"endTime":4021.29,"body":"getting their answer that they so desperately want, I guess."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4021.54,"endTime":4023.15,"body":"They don't care about evidence."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4023.43,"endTime":4025.95,"body":"Yeah. These aren't even things. So, like, soy lowers testosterone."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4025.95,"endTime":4029.58,"body":"That's just not a thing. That's not even true. That's never even been,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4029.58,"endTime":4031.42,"body":"like, the thing people don't like soy for."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4031.84,"endTime":4036.77,"body":"I know. And they just say it like, okay, so this, I had to block her because"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4036.77,"endTime":4037.88,"body":"she was really annoying me."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4038.25,"endTime":4042.09,"body":"But she said that soy lowers testosterone. Just thought everyone should know."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4042.09,"endTime":4045.62,"body":"And I said, basically, I said, there's extensive research and studies that show"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4045.62,"endTime":4048.82,"body":"this isn't true. Then I linked one. And I said, feel free to share your sources."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4049.24,"endTime":4050.6,"body":"And then she got really mean with me."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4051.4,"endTime":4053.1,"body":"You can't be asking people for facts."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4053.62,"endTime":4057.1,"body":"Well, I did call her a conspiracy theorist and told her to take her nonsense elsewhere."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4057.52,"endTime":4063.0,"body":"So you can't trust me anywhere. I don't have a filter. Yeah, that's true."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4063.0,"endTime":4063.8,"body":"I can't take you anywhere."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4063.8,"endTime":4069.59,"body":"But then she said, let me tell you something. Basically, almost all conspiracy theories are true."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4070.71,"endTime":4071.17,"body":"Hmm."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4071.17,"endTime":4074.82,"body":"So that's not really like she was basically like, you can call me a conspiracy"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4074.82,"endTime":4080.35,"body":"theorist, but that's not a negative for me because all conspiracy theories have proven to be true."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4080.54,"endTime":4081.53,"body":"I can't argue with that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4081.68,"endTime":4083.16,"body":"So there's that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4083.45,"endTime":4083.94,"body":"All right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4086.86,"endTime":4089.49,"body":"On that note, a couple of the updates we have for this week."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4089.49,"endTime":4092.06,"body":"Our discord is going strong. We're up to 210 people now."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4092.58,"endTime":4095.75,"body":"So going well there. If you want to join again, it's down in the show notes."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4096.58,"endTime":4099.68,"body":"Also, the first week of the book club was this week and I think it's going pretty well."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4099.68,"endTime":4100.28,"body":"I think so, too."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4100.28,"endTime":4104.05,"body":"Yeah, we've had several discussion questions, good conversation. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4104.29,"endTime":4108.87,"body":"Still time to join if you want to join. Because we're, so we're basically doing,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4108.99,"endTime":4112.67,"body":"we broke the book up into four sections and we're doing one section each week"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4112.67,"endTime":4115.91,"body":"for four weeks. So we haven't even finished the first section yet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4116.15,"endTime":4118.14,"body":"So there's definitely still time to catch up."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4118.46,"endTime":4123.8,"body":"Plus we're, so basically we're breaking the sections apart so you don't end up with spoilers."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4123.8,"endTime":4127.39,"body":"Right. And all the discussion questions we're putting in, we're pinning in our"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4127.39,"endTime":4131.23,"body":"channel for it. So even if you join late, you can go back through the PIN messages"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4131.23,"endTime":4134.08,"body":"and reply to everything if you want. Yeah. There's no time limit on it or anything, really."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4134.08,"endTime":4134.82,"body":"And we love that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4134.92,"endTime":4138.72,"body":"Also, we appreciate you guys listening. If you're listening on Apple Podcast"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4138.72,"endTime":4142.06,"body":"or Spotify, if you could leave us a rating and review, that helps us out a lot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4142.45,"endTime":4145.47,"body":"If you're listening on Spotify or YouTube, you can also leave us a comment."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4145.47,"endTime":4147.24,"body":"That's really cool, and we love replying to those."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4148.52,"endTime":4152.19,"body":"You can also see down in the show notes, we have our websites for protein-deficient"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4152.19,"endTime":4156.43,"body":"vegan and muscle-deficient vegan, as well as the website for the podcast,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4156.43,"endTime":4160.0,"body":"which has a couple of blog posts we've been posting about like some of the main"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4160.0,"endTime":4163.46,"body":"topics here and just kind of general veganism stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4164.22,"endTime":4168.25,"body":"Yeah, that's kind of shareable. We also have our social medias where we're kind"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4168.25,"endTime":4172.32,"body":"of sharing carousels of the content we talk about on the podcast,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4172.32,"endTime":4175.33,"body":"which I think is kind of like useful if you want to share this information with"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4175.33,"endTime":4177.74,"body":"someone you don't want to make a list of the podcast."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4177.74,"endTime":4181.05,"body":"Yeah, little bite-sized chunks of some of the stuff we're talking about."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4181.4,"endTime":4183.48,"body":"Maybe it'll get my interested. All right, well, I think that's it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4183.48,"endTime":4185.45,"body":"Do you want to say bye? Bye. Bye, everybody."}]}