{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":0.02,"endTime":3.38,"body":"Welcome to the Deficient Vegans Podcast. This is episode 64."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3.38,"endTime":6.33,"body":"I'm the muscle deficient vegan here with the protein deficient vegan. Do you want to say hi? Hi!"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":7.08,"endTime":11.55,"body":"Hi, everybody. So this week, we're going to kind of go through a lot of vegan"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":11.55,"endTime":15.19,"body":"myths in a rapid-fire format. It's been a while since we've had a sort of myth-busting"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":15.19,"endTime":18.17,"body":"episode, so we've got a pretty big list for you here today."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":18.49,"endTime":21.89,"body":"We won't get too technical on any of them, but we will have sources for all"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":21.89,"endTime":25.1,"body":"of them in the show notes if you want to follow up. But first up, new news."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":25.56,"endTime":26.88,"body":"New news!"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":27.2,"endTime":30.2,"body":"So the first piece of news we have is that a Cambridge researcher has ranked"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":30.2,"endTime":34.14,"body":"20 different protein sources by their pollution, effectively."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":34.56,"endTime":36.97,"body":"The Better Protein Institute score, which was developed by Dr."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":36.97,"endTime":41.9,"body":"Chris MacDonald, who is a behavioral scientist and fellow at Lucy Cavendish College,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":41.9,"endTime":46.73,"body":"University of Cambridge, was published on July 28th in Frontiers in Sustainable Food Systems."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":46.73,"endTime":52.21,"body":"So the report he published has two different scores. One is greenhouse gas emissions"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":52.21,"endTime":56.36,"body":"per 100 grams of protein, and then the other score is water pollution per 100"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":56.36,"endTime":61.05,"body":"grams of protein. So let's go through some of the protein sources and their scores on the chart."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":61.26,"endTime":65.7,"body":"We're going to look first at the greenhouse gas emissions chart from best to worst."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":66.72,"endTime":72.83,"body":"So from best to worst, tofu, chia seeds, beans, sunflower seeds,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":73.15,"endTime":79.72,"body":"chickpeas, quinoa, Brazil nuts, walnuts, lentils, peanuts, eggs,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":80.17,"endTime":82.48,"body":"chicken breast, salmon, tuna,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":82.98,"endTime":86.82,"body":"cod, pork chops, cheddar cheese, mozzarella cheese,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":87.5,"endTime":92.16,"body":"lamb chops, and a huge, huge jump for beef steak."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":92.28,"endTime":95.72,"body":"So the second highest had a score of about 18, which was the lamb chops,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":95.72,"endTime":99.67,"body":"and the beef steak, which was number one, jumped all the way up to a score of about 65."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":99.9,"endTime":103.15,"body":"The next list is for water pollution per 100 grams of protein."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":103.54,"endTime":107.34,"body":"From lowest to highest score, lowest being good, chia seeds,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":107.55,"endTime":113.65,"body":"tofu, quinoa, beans, chickpeas, walnuts, lamb chops, Brazil nuts,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":113.76,"endTime":117.7,"body":"eggs, peanuts, chicken breast, lentils, sunflower seeds,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":118.16,"endTime":123.57,"body":"tuna, salmon mozzarella cheese cheddar cheese cod pork chops and then beefsteak"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":123.57,"endTime":126.27,"body":"is actually the top of this chart too like well over"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":127.13,"endTime":128.76,"body":"160 170"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":128.93,"endTime":131.69,"body":"Yeah whereas the second worst on this one was about a 50."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":132.03,"endTime":132.86,"body":"Yeah so yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":133.14,"endTime":136.21,"body":"Beefsteak is huge on the emissions which I think we've talked about in a couple of."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":136.21,"endTime":138.31,"body":"Episodes very very bad yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":139.03,"endTime":142.8,"body":"But we will have a link to the article about this, and the chart is in there"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":142.8,"endTime":146.29,"body":"as well if you want to get more information. Next up, Danone has cleared the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":146.29,"endTime":149.34,"body":"final hurdle to buy out Huel, the vegan meal replacement brand."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":149.68,"endTime":152.57,"body":"Huel is a pretty popular one. They have mostly protein shakes,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":152.57,"endTime":154.8,"body":"I think, is where they started. I think they actually have some powders and stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":154.8,"endTime":159.08,"body":"They have protein bars, and they also have pre-made meals that you can warm up."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":159.08,"endTime":163.75,"body":"Yeah. They position themselves more as, like it says here, a full meal replacement"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":163.75,"endTime":166.55,"body":"rather than like a protein bar. So they're typically higher calorie."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":166.55,"endTime":168.55,"body":"Yeah. But, yeah, they're going to be bought by Danone."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":168.87,"endTime":170.91,"body":"I think it was valued at like a billion dollars."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":170.91,"endTime":172.51,"body":"Yeah, it's pretty nuts. It is a popular brand."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":173.03,"endTime":176.95,"body":"Yeah. I think Danone owns Silk too, right? So they're not unfamiliar with like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":176.95,"endTime":178.13,"body":"plant-based products. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":178.13,"endTime":181.18,"body":"It could probably be a good steward. We'll see how it goes. I don't use Huel"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":181.18,"endTime":183.45,"body":"much. I've had it a couple of times. It's pretty good, but it's pretty pricey. So."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":183.65,"endTime":185.27,"body":"I don't think I've ever tried it. I hear good things."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":185.27,"endTime":188.89,"body":"And then last up, we have a couple of vegan athletic achievements."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":189.19,"endTime":192.88,"body":"Estonian athlete Gert Koovit, sorry if I pronounced that wrong,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":193.18,"endTime":197.49,"body":"has secured the bronze and the masters 120 plus kilogram bench press with a"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":197.49,"endTime":202.44,"body":"270 kilogram lift wow yeah so that's like uh over well over 500 pounds like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":202.44,"endTime":204.05,"body":"550 pounds something like that holy."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":204.05,"endTime":206.08,"body":"Shit gert that's impressive yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":206.74,"endTime":212.13,"body":"And now at 52 years old his vegan journey began when he faced some sore joints"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":212.13,"endTime":216.09,"body":"and high blood pressure and then with support from his wife who was a decade-long"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":216.09,"endTime":219.79,"body":"vegan at that point he changed his diet and he says he felt the benefits immediately,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":220.27,"endTime":224.02,"body":"um as he continued Koovit said he developed a deeper vegan mindset towards animals,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":224.02,"endTime":226.14,"body":"strengthening both his ethics and his performance."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":226.25,"endTime":229.17,"body":"Yeah. So if you're trying to convert your partner, never give up."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":230.21,"endTime":233.29,"body":"Right. Yeah. Another example that, you know, changing to a vegan diet is not"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":233.29,"endTime":235.8,"body":"going to cause a detriment for your athletic performance."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":235.8,"endTime":241.69,"body":"Yeah. And that you could start out going plant-based and develop the ethics to be a full vegan. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":242.79,"endTime":245.95,"body":"So this was at the European Powerlifting Championships, and there is actually"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":245.95,"endTime":247.72,"body":"another vegan powerlifter who competed there."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":248.49,"endTime":253.2,"body":"There's a Swedish athlete, Fia Kamlund, who competed in the 84-kilogram weight class."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":253.35,"endTime":257.82,"body":"And she is a multiple national record holder, and she benched 155 kilograms"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":257.82,"endTime":261.84,"body":"to take the bronze. And that also contributed to her team getting a bronze overall as well."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":261.84,"endTime":262.69,"body":"She's a doctor."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":262.69,"endTime":268.56,"body":"Yeah, Dr. Kamlund has been vegan since 2012, and she was vegetarian several years before that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":269.29,"endTime":272.13,"body":"But her shift to veganism came from recognizing the realities of the meat,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":272.13,"endTime":274.65,"body":"dairy, and egg industries. So purely an ethical vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":274.98,"endTime":276.24,"body":"She sounds pretty cool. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":277.05,"endTime":281.1,"body":"So congratulations to them. Sounds awesome. And we love seeing vegan athletes"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":281.1,"endTime":283.08,"body":"who are able to do well at the highest levels."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":283.39,"endTime":285.72,"body":"All right. So let's get into our main segment, which is, again,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":285.72,"endTime":288.04,"body":"basically just rapid fire vegan myth busting."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":288.04,"endTime":290.18,"body":"Like the ones you'd hear most often. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":290.54,"endTime":293.96,"body":"These are all pretty common. So first up, we have vegans can't get enough protein."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":293.96,"endTime":295.99,"body":"Well, obviously that's not true. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":296.41,"endTime":297.6,"body":"And, you know, this one falls into like."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":297.6,"endTime":298.53,"body":"They just proved that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":298.53,"endTime":302.58,"body":"That's true. That's true. Yeah. Enough technically just means medically enough,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":302.58,"endTime":306.69,"body":"but it's not even a problem to get enough to be an elite athlete."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":306.69,"endTime":310.62,"body":"So whatever your definition of enough here is, this is not true."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":310.62,"endTime":311.94,"body":"Vegans can get plenty of protein."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":312.3,"endTime":315.13,"body":"If you're trying to really optimize, you might have to plan around it more."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":315.13,"endTime":316.69,"body":"You probably will have to plan around it more."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":317.44,"endTime":320.19,"body":"But if you're just trying to, like, avoid medical protein deficiency,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":320.19,"endTime":323.9,"body":"that's effectively not a thing in developed countries, and you're going to be just fine."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":323.9,"endTime":327.05,"body":"Which doesn't mean that you should, if you're transitioning to a vegan diet,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":327.28,"endTime":329.49,"body":"that doesn't necessarily mean you shouldn't look at that at all."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":329.61,"endTime":330.27,"body":"No, for sure."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":330.27,"endTime":334.07,"body":"You should definitely be tracking, like, the first, maybe even the first month"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":334.07,"endTime":336.87,"body":"just to see what has protein because some of the things that you probably ate"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":336.87,"endTime":340.17,"body":"before aren't really an option. And maybe you haven't eaten,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":340.17,"endTime":341.99,"body":"like, things like tofu and seitan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":343.02,"endTime":346.39,"body":"So, if you just, like, pull out all your existing omnivore protein sources and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":346.39,"endTime":348.85,"body":"don't change that, you could have a problem."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":348.85,"endTime":351.02,"body":"Especially if you're losing weight. You definitely want to keep on it because"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":351.02,"endTime":355.37,"body":"that means your total food intake is lower. So, you're getting less of some of these nutrients."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":355.37,"endTime":359.97,"body":"Yeah. So it's easy to do once you know what vegan protein sources are,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":359.97,"endTime":361.96,"body":"but it's definitely something you need to learn. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":362.32,"endTime":367.19,"body":"Some of my favorite protein sources are tofu, TVP, edamame, seitan,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":367.19,"endTime":369.48,"body":"or vital wheat gluten. Yeah. What are your favorites?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":370.32,"endTime":374.88,"body":"I really like TVP and seitan. I also really like beans, but they're not percentage-wise"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":374.88,"endTime":376.92,"body":"super high in protein, but they're a pretty good source for,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":376.92,"endTime":378.49,"body":"like, supplemental protein, basically."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":379.53,"endTime":382.93,"body":"Lentils are also really good. Yeah. Edamame puffs, soy milk."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":383.75,"endTime":387.93,"body":"Um, we like red lentil pasta. Yeah. We eat that instead of normal pasta."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":388.12,"endTime":388.35,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":388.7,"endTime":393.0,"body":"Um, if you are going vegan or you are vegan and you are having trouble hitting"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":393.0,"endTime":396.37,"body":"your protein goal, we have a vegan protein database that you can sort by protein"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":396.37,"endTime":400.06,"body":"percentage and also cost. So we'll link that in the show notes as well."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":400.29,"endTime":401.09,"body":"If you want to check that out."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":401.09,"endTime":403.26,"body":"Plus your whole website is high protein vegan recipes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":403.26,"endTime":407.13,"body":"Yeah. We got you covered on the protein. Yeah. It can be done no matter what your goal is."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":407.27,"endTime":411.23,"body":"That's right. Uh, so the next myth is that plant protein is incomplete."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":411.72,"endTime":417.08,"body":"So a lot of plant proteins are incomplete, and incomplete just means that one"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":417.08,"endTime":422.56,"body":"or more of the nine essential amino acids is below a threshold that is needed"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":422.56,"endTime":423.91,"body":"to be considered a complete protein."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":424.78,"endTime":429.44,"body":"Typically, this is only going to matter if you have like a really high protein"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":429.44,"endTime":432.7,"body":"goal or you're trying to optimize your protein for like bodybuilding, something like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":433.15,"endTime":437.09,"body":"Or if you're just eating like foods in isolation, like if your meal is just"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":437.09,"endTime":438.5,"body":"seitan, that might be a little weird."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":438.75,"endTime":441.25,"body":"But most of the time, there's multiple things on the dish, and they all bring"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":441.25,"endTime":446.93,"body":"their own assortment of the amino acids. And so, like, your body ends up getting"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":446.93,"endTime":448.28,"body":"the complete source of protein."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":448.63,"endTime":451.74,"body":"Not to mention food, like, is in your body for several hours after you eat,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":451.74,"endTime":453.99,"body":"and the amino acids are in your bloodstream for several hours."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":454.52,"endTime":459.38,"body":"So, by the time the amino acids go around to getting used, they'll all be there"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":459.38,"endTime":461.29,"body":"in the sufficient amounts for your body."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":461.81,"endTime":466.44,"body":"Yeah. I could see this being an issue if you had a really low calorie deficit."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":466.44,"endTime":468.34,"body":"Yeah. You might want to pay closer attention to this."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":468.88,"endTime":473.07,"body":"or if you have a bunch of allergies. Like if you're allergic to soy,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":473.07,"endTime":475.26,"body":"this is probably something you're going to want to pay attention to because"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":475.26,"endTime":476.66,"body":"soy is actually a complete protein."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":477.8,"endTime":481.85,"body":"So that's one of the main protein sources on a vegan diet. So if you have a"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":481.85,"endTime":485.06,"body":"soy allergy, that may be something you want to pay closer attention to,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":485.06,"endTime":486.71,"body":"like if you're just eating seitan a lot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":486.84,"endTime":490.77,"body":"Yeah, soy is the highest quality protein source we have. So if you don't have"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":490.77,"endTime":493.2,"body":"access to that, I think definitely some more planning is in order."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":493.42,"endTime":495.93,"body":"We do have some other complete protein sources. I think quinoa,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":495.93,"endTime":498.37,"body":"nutritional yeast, buckwheat. Yeah. Thank you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":498.93,"endTime":502.82,"body":"There's a handful. But I will say there is another myth on the opposite side,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":503.21,"endTime":508.36,"body":"which I've seen a lot of vegan influencers spreading, which is that all plant proteins are complete."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":508.84,"endTime":509.49,"body":"Right. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":509.99,"endTime":513.46,"body":"Because they contain all of the essential amino acids, but that's not what makes"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":513.46,"endTime":515.53,"body":"something complete. It has to be in the right quantities."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":515.53,"endTime":518.61,"body":"Yeah, there's a problem there because like even if you just Google what is a"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":518.61,"endTime":522.71,"body":"complete protein, some of the really reputable like medical websites will still"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":522.71,"endTime":526.79,"body":"list kind of a slightly incorrect definition, which is like something is complete"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":527.07,"endTime":529.81,"body":"if it contains all nine essential amino acids."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":530.14,"endTime":534.09,"body":"But really, that's not how a complete protein is gauged. It's gauged off of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":534.09,"endTime":539.41,"body":"the amount of each of the amino acids because, you know, food contains protein"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":539.41,"endTime":541.64,"body":"and protein contains all the amino acids."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":541.99,"endTime":544.53,"body":"So by that definition, everything would be a complete protein."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":544.94,"endTime":548.63,"body":"So once you understand that, it's pretty obvious that that's not really what that means."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":549.51,"endTime":552.56,"body":"But yeah, there are like kind of two different definitions floating around."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":552.56,"endTime":554.81,"body":"And if you go with the more generic"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":554.81,"endTime":557.31,"body":"definition, then you kind of think everything's complete when it's not."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":557.75,"endTime":561.2,"body":"I honestly think it's being represented inaccurately on purpose."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":561.68,"endTime":563.94,"body":"Yeah, I could see that too. And I think there's a lot of these,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":563.94,"endTime":567.67,"body":"and I think there's maybe probably even some on this list where vegans try to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":567.67,"endTime":570.42,"body":"make it look better than it is, where we don't really need to do that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":570.42,"endTime":573.59,"body":"I think we can just say maybe these are some of the minor limitations."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":574.05,"endTime":576.68,"body":"do you need to care about it do you not need to care about it if you do need"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":576.68,"endTime":578.15,"body":"to care about it here's how to work with."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":578.15,"endTime":581.98,"body":"It yeah I feel like this one's similar to like no one's ever been protein deficient"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":581.98,"endTime":586.76,"body":"as a vegan and like that's obviously not true right like it can happen it could"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":586.76,"endTime":589.09,"body":"happen if you're not paying attention to it and you don't know what a protein"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":589.09,"endTime":591.77,"body":"source is and you're not looking at it no doesn't the same with like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":592.95,"endTime":595.63,"body":"We don't have to like lie about it to make it seem better because it's easy"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":595.63,"endTime":596.79,"body":"to do once you learn the stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":596.79,"endTime":599.33,"body":"And also giving people the right information helps them, you know,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":599.33,"endTime":602.61,"body":"be healthier. Like if you understand the things that are lower in a vegan diet,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":602.61,"endTime":605.76,"body":"like some of the micronutrients, like maybe like iodine, calcium,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":605.76,"endTime":607.81,"body":"vitamin B12, obviously things like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":608.24,"endTime":610.8,"body":"If you represent those correctly and you explain like these are some of the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":610.8,"endTime":613.83,"body":"limitations and people will be healthier overall by paying attention to those"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":613.83,"endTime":615.23,"body":"things and making up for it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":615.6,"endTime":620.99,"body":"Yeah. I think the other thing is like misrepresenting information around veganism"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":620.99,"endTime":622.51,"body":"is really dangerous to just like."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":622.63,"endTime":625.95,"body":"Like you said, for the health implications, but also I think it makes people"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":625.95,"endTime":629.43,"body":"less trustworthy of vegans when they're telling half truths,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":629.43,"endTime":632.69,"body":"trying to make it seem better. And it makes people like hesitant to go vegan"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":632.69,"endTime":635.54,"body":"because it's like, what are you guys hiding? Yeah. You know, like."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":635.86,"endTime":638.7,"body":"It makes it super easy to just dismiss you entirely by saying,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":639.0,"endTime":640.92,"body":"well, this person's obviously not telling you the whole truth."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":640.92,"endTime":642.23,"body":"You can't really believe what they're saying."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":644.8,"endTime":648.35,"body":"So I would say like we busted both myths. But the important takeaway,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":648.35,"endTime":650.96,"body":"I would say, is if you are spreading information around veganism,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":650.96,"endTime":654.78,"body":"make sure you're telling whole truths and providing enough information and education"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":654.78,"endTime":658.83,"body":"so that people can do it healthily, which means that they'll stay vegan longer, hopefully forever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":658.97,"endTime":662.77,"body":"The next myth is that soy lowers testosterone. This one's not true."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":663.61,"endTime":667.57,"body":"There have been many, many studies on this. And again, I'll have some links"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":667.57,"endTime":672.15,"body":"in the show notes for some of this stuff. But there have even been analysis"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":672.15,"endTime":674.8,"body":"of multiple studies. So this is not like a single study thing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":674.8,"endTime":678.04,"body":"But soy has not been shown to lower testosterone at all."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":678.45,"endTime":681.58,"body":"One of the more common concerns is that soy increases estrogen."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":682.43,"endTime":686.85,"body":"In that case, it's like there have been some studies where a very high amount"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":686.85,"endTime":688.51,"body":"of daily soy, like more than anybody."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":688.51,"endTime":693.01,"body":"It was like five blocks or something, wasn't it? Like some crazy, crazy number every day."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":693.01,"endTime":697.57,"body":"Yeah. And even that is typically a pretty mild increase in estrogen because"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":697.57,"endTime":703.28,"body":"the phytoestrogens in plants are a really weak effect on the human estrogen levels."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":704.25,"endTime":709.14,"body":"So, it might cause a really mild increase in estrogen that's basically hard to measure."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":709.53,"endTime":714.38,"body":"And even in those cases, higher estrogen is not necessarily a bad thing as long"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":714.38,"endTime":717.13,"body":"as it's not above like a dangerous level for men anyway."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":718.27,"endTime":721.71,"body":"And in fact, estrogen is linked to heart health and stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":721.71,"endTime":725.37,"body":"Yeah, it is what they call cardioprotective, which means, you know,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":725.37,"endTime":729.37,"body":"if your estrogen gets too low, you're losing some of that protective against heart issues."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":729.93,"endTime":736.47,"body":"So all around, there's really no concern with eating soy and male sex hormones"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":736.47,"endTime":738.51,"body":"like testosterone, estrogen, anything like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":738.81,"endTime":744.11,"body":"And in the same vein, soy actually won't give you man boobs. Yeah. Or boobs at all."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":744.45,"endTime":749.14,"body":"Right. Yeah, there was one study a long time ago where a guy was drinking several"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":749.14,"endTime":753.69,"body":"cartons of soy milk a day and ended up with gynecomastia, which is basically"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":753.69,"endTime":756.66,"body":"where males get extra breast tissue, kind of like a female."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":757.18,"endTime":760.53,"body":"And basically, they haven't been able to reproduce that. And in his case,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":760.53,"endTime":764.78,"body":"he cut back on his soy milk and it went away. So, this was like one weird genetic"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":764.78,"endTime":769.4,"body":"thing with this person. And the study was even titled An Unusual Case or something like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":769.4,"endTime":771.55,"body":"Yeah. They couldn't even like recreate it, right? They tried."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":771.55,"endTime":774.73,"body":"It hasn't been reproduced. And again, like there have been probably 50 studies"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":774.73,"endTime":777.82,"body":"on this kind of thing since then. And you don't really see that kind of thing"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":777.82,"endTime":779.69,"body":"with normal soy intake levels."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":779.69,"endTime":781.38,"body":"You don't need to be scared of soy. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":782.95,"endTime":786.45,"body":"The next myth is that you can't be vegan if you have soy or gluten allergies."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":786.45,"endTime":790.25,"body":"Now, that's not true, but I will say it does make it a little more challenging."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":790.96,"endTime":796.12,"body":"I will say like, if you're in a big city, if you have a lot of money,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":796.41,"endTime":801.15,"body":"if you don't have allergies, like that is like the dream, right? If you have a lot of time."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":801.75,"endTime":804.92,"body":"That makes being a vegan super, super easy. Now, once you start like pulling"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":804.92,"endTime":809.39,"body":"back each of those like layers of, I don't know, privilege, like it becomes"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":809.39,"endTime":812.27,"body":"harder to be a vegan. And I would say allergies is one of those."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":812.27,"endTime":815.67,"body":"Like it makes it more challenging to figure out which things that you can eat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":815.78,"endTime":818.68,"body":"Yeah. Allergies and like severe GI issues and stuff like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":818.99,"endTime":822.46,"body":"But if you're dealing with allergies specifically, you have your protein database"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":822.46,"endTime":825.16,"body":"that we talked about a second ago. And it actually has toggles for like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":825.16,"endTime":827.49,"body":"show me soy free things, show me gluten free things."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":827.63,"endTime":830.46,"body":"And even if you turn on both of those and you take out soy things and you take"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":830.46,"endTime":833.37,"body":"out gluten things, there's still quite a bit of protein. This is just protein"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":833.37,"endTime":835.78,"body":"sources. There's still quite a bit of protein sources on the list."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":836.09,"endTime":840.52,"body":"And then there are obviously lots of other foods that are not necessarily primarily protein sources."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":840.52,"endTime":846.18,"body":"Right. Yeah. Does it make it more challenging? Yes. Does it make it impossible? I would say no."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":846.43,"endTime":847.44,"body":"Right. I would agree."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":847.44,"endTime":853.28,"body":"And I will say, caveated with, like, if you have a bunch of overlapping allergies,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":853.69,"endTime":855.98,"body":"it could make it incredibly hard to be vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":855.98,"endTime":859.52,"body":"Yeah. And hard to the point where you're like, I don't really want to do this."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":859.64,"endTime":864.04,"body":"Yeah. But even then, like, if you can kind of do your best to eat as little"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":864.04,"endTime":868.39,"body":"of the stuff you need for medical reasons as possible, and then,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":868.39,"endTime":871.62,"body":"you know, outside of food, you're still, you know, following all the vegan principles."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":871.62,"endTime":873.49,"body":"Like, you're not using leather or fur or things like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":873.8,"endTime":876.28,"body":"And, I mean, you're still doing significant reduction in animal harm."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":876.28,"endTime":879.03,"body":"So, you do what you can with the cards you've been dealt."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":879.32,"endTime":883.21,"body":"Right. Yeah. Definitely, we're not saying that it's impossible that you could"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":883.21,"endTime":886.49,"body":"have a medical condition that would prevent you from being 100% plant-based."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":886.49,"endTime":892.7,"body":"And I don't think anyone's expecting you to, like, risk your health or well-being to do this stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":893.16,"endTime":896.99,"body":"But soy and gluten-free, yeah, you can definitely deal with those. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":897.28,"endTime":900.26,"body":"I will say I've, you know, done some research on this because I've met a couple"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":900.26,"endTime":904.15,"body":"people that have some pretty significant restrictions. And I see people talk about it online a lot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":904.52,"endTime":908.03,"body":"The closest thing to that does get to multiple overlapping allergies."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":908.03,"endTime":911.1,"body":"Right, yeah. Or you're like, I can only eat these four foods."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":911.25,"endTime":916.78,"body":"Yeah. You have to get protein from somewhere. Right. I do think that the precision fermentation process,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":917.28,"endTime":920.31,"body":"Work that's being done, I think will kind of help with some of this stuff because"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":920.59,"endTime":926.68,"body":"they're making precision fermentation whey egg white powder like that is vegan,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":927.0,"endTime":929.78,"body":"but is still, I think, genetically"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":931.44,"endTime":934.1,"body":"identical to whey or egg white powder."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":935.14,"endTime":940.0,"body":"So that helps because like if you if you need to eat something that isn't plant based."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":940.14,"endTime":943.74,"body":"Right. Yeah. If your list is like I could eat eggs or I could eat milk,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":944.01,"endTime":946.58,"body":"but I want to be a vegan, then these are going to be things that will be available"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":946.58,"endTime":948.04,"body":"to you. Some of them already are."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":948.46,"endTime":952.72,"body":"And we're seeing a lot of technology developments in those areas specifically."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":952.72,"endTime":956.2,"body":"So I think that'll just make it easier and easier for people with allergies"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":956.33,"endTime":959.1,"body":"and maybe like GI issues and stuff like you talked about. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":959.28,"endTime":960.2,"body":"Yeah, 100%."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":960.95,"endTime":964.64,"body":"The next one is you can't be vegan without taking a ton of supplements."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":965.63,"endTime":970.33,"body":"So this is very individual. And the only supplement that vegans all need to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":970.33,"endTime":973.74,"body":"take is some form of vitamin B12. And that could be either a supplement or a"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":973.74,"endTime":975.71,"body":"fortified food or something like nutritional yeast."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":976.23,"endTime":981.56,"body":"The other things are going to be specific to your diet. So there are some things"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":981.56,"endTime":984.87,"body":"that vegans will naturally get less of that you might need to keep an eye on,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":984.87,"endTime":990.43,"body":"like calcium, iodine, zinc, things like that. vitamin D is another big one."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":990.75,"endTime":993.15,"body":"Iron is another big one. So if you're like already anemic and you're trying"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":993.15,"endTime":995.32,"body":"to go vegan, you're going to have to really think about your iron."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":996.63,"endTime":1000.57,"body":"One good way to deal with this is to get like track your food in the app cronometer,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1000.57,"endTime":1004.35,"body":"because cronometer is really good about breaking down micronutrients and whole food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1004.35,"endTime":1007.04,"body":"So you can kind of track your food for a couple of weeks and it'll highlight"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1007.04,"endTime":1009.32,"body":"anywhere where there's like a big gap in micronutrients."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1009.32,"endTime":1012.1,"body":"Like maybe you just notice you're, oh, I'm not getting any vitamin A."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1012.1,"endTime":1015.09,"body":"So you definitely don't have to take a lot of supplements as a vegan,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1015.38,"endTime":1021.29,"body":"but the less your diet includes varied whole foods, the more you might have"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1021.29,"endTime":1024.66,"body":"to think about taking some kind of supplement, like a multivitamin or something."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1024.78,"endTime":1029.84,"body":"Yeah. And I will say we take a vegan multivitamin called Wholier and it covers a lot of that stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1030.31,"endTime":1035.63,"body":"And I will say like, just in general, it's not like super expensive to get whatever"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1035.63,"endTime":1039.83,"body":"vitamins or supplements you need to be vegan healthily, even if you need them."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1040.11,"endTime":1044.35,"body":"Yeah. And I mean, you know, most of the multivitamins are not sold to vegans."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1044.35,"endTime":1047.57,"body":"People are taking multivitamins with normal diets because people are eating"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1047.57,"endTime":1049.99,"body":"junk food normal diets, and they're still missing out on multivitamins,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1049.99,"endTime":1050.83,"body":"even if they're not vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1051.38,"endTime":1054.05,"body":"So this is just one of those things that's really specific to you."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1054.28,"endTime":1057.2,"body":"I personally just take the multivitamin just in case I'm, you know,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1057.2,"endTime":1059.28,"body":"missing some stuff, want to cover some bases, whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1059.28,"endTime":1062.34,"body":"And then, you know, I do take a couple individual things like algae oil and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1062.34,"endTime":1065.32,"body":"vitamin D just because, you know, my personal circumstances."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1065.32,"endTime":1067.82,"body":"I'd prefer to just have a little bit of coverage and take the supplement."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1068.27,"endTime":1071.6,"body":"Because, again, even before I was vegan, I'm used to taking some vitamins and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1071.6,"endTime":1074.13,"body":"supplements every day. So that's just part of my natural routine anyway."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1074.44,"endTime":1078.28,"body":"Yeah. And I also think, like, protein powder often gets lumped in with the supplements."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1078.28,"endTime":1081.27,"body":"Yeah. I don't think you need protein powder to be healthy on a vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1081.27,"endTime":1085.78,"body":"There's lots of whole food plant-based protein sources that you could eat instead"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1085.78,"endTime":1088.08,"body":"of taking expensive protein powder."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1088.08,"endTime":1090.67,"body":"Yeah, definitely. 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It's not a big deal."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1112.37,"endTime":1116.45,"body":"I took B12 for like probably the last 20 years before I was vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1116.45,"endTime":1119.74,"body":"Yeah. And, you know, I've been in like fitness communities and stuff for a long"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1119.74,"endTime":1123.18,"body":"time. And people always talk about taking vitamin B12. So this is another thing"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1123.18,"endTime":1126.4,"body":"that's like it's like pushed on vegans once you start a vegan conversation."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1126.4,"endTime":1128.81,"body":"But it's actually extremely common outside of vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1128.81,"endTime":1132.05,"body":"Yeah. It's just one of those gotchas that people like to throw out."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1132.05,"endTime":1136.84,"body":"I mean, it's taking vitamins and supplements is very normalized within"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1137.41,"endTime":1139.79,"body":"vast majority of the population so yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1140.19,"endTime":1144.39,"body":"But if you had a like a perfect whole food plant-based diet probably the only"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1144.39,"endTime":1145.57,"body":"supplement you would need is vitamin."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1145.57,"endTime":1148.81,"body":"B12 yeah unless you're just eating a lot of fortified nutritional yeast yeah"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1149.62,"endTime":1153.29,"body":"i will say what i did when i first went vegan was like six months and i got"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1153.29,"endTime":1157.3,"body":"up i got blood work done just to make sure like nothing crazy was going on and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1157.3,"endTime":1158.74,"body":"i think that's like a good option yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1158.74,"endTime":1161.79,"body":"You can actually if you're in the u.s you can order your own blood test through"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1161.79,"endTime":1166.41,"body":"like quest health or LabCorp and quest uh i know for sure has like a vegan"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1166.41,"endTime":1168.06,"body":"vegetarian specific panel."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1168.33,"endTime":1171.21,"body":"I think LabCorp has one too, but I'm not 100% sure on that one."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1171.21,"endTime":1173.7,"body":"So you definitely need to look it up. But I do know for sure Quest has one."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1174.26,"endTime":1177.13,"body":"And then if you're not in the US, there might be some other options that are"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1177.13,"endTime":1179.72,"body":"really similar. Or you can just ask your doctor to kind of build you a custom"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1179.72,"endTime":1180.79,"body":"panel or something like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1180.89,"endTime":1184.52,"body":"The next myth is you can't build muscle on a vegan diet. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1184.52,"endTime":1186.07,"body":"And all vegans are just skinny."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1186.2,"endTime":1190.71,"body":"Right. So the easiest way to debunk this one is to go to greatveganathletes.com."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1191.75,"endTime":1195.63,"body":"Basically, that's a site that tracks a bunch of elite vegan athletes but i mean"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1195.63,"endTime":1198.99,"body":"yeah there are vegan bodybuilders you if you scroll instagram you and you're"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1198.99,"endTime":1201.7,"body":"vegan and you're following vegan people i'm sure you've seen the vegan fitness"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1201.7,"endTime":1203.83,"body":"people like uh you know yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1203.83,"endTime":1205.5,"body":"Go to the vegan fitness"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1205.5,"endTime":1207.01,"body":"Subreddit right yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1207.01,"endTime":1207.99,"body":"Tons of strong people"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1207.99,"endTime":1211.49,"body":"There yeah i mean you can very clearly build muscle on a vegan diet we've got"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1211.49,"endTime":1217.33,"body":"uh Torre washington who's going to mr olympia this year he's vegan um and a badass"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1217.33,"endTime":1221.91,"body":"the highest level of bodybuilding as a vegan i mean so this is obviously just not true yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1221.91,"endTime":1226.9,"body":"And in a similar vein like all vegans are skinny are all omnivores skinny like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1226.9,"endTime":1232.4,"body":"that's just such a stupid thing to say yeah um vegans come in all shapes and sizes yeah"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1232.97,"endTime":1235.8,"body":"Very dependent on what you eat, how much you eat, and just, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1235.8,"endTime":1236.94,"body":"genetics and stuff, too, you know?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1236.94,"endTime":1240.96,"body":"Yeah. And I think this gets less and less true as, you know,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1240.96,"endTime":1243.99,"body":"vegan junk food gets better and more prevalent, unfortunately."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1243.99,"endTime":1248.14,"body":"Oh, for sure. I mean, maybe this was more true back in the 70s when the options"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1248.14,"endTime":1252.79,"body":"were incredibly limited. But now we have, like, really delicious frozen food"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1252.79,"endTime":1254.72,"body":"options and vegan cheeses."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1254.72,"endTime":1255.3,"body":"Vegan pizza."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1255.7,"endTime":1258.0,"body":"Oh, yeah. I mean, the junk food's good."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1260.3,"endTime":1262.59,"body":"Next myth is that vegans just eat salads."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1262.9,"endTime":1267.02,"body":"Shit, I think I eat less salads as a vegan than I did when I was a vegetarian. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1267.85,"endTime":1270.65,"body":"I think if you go to your website and you look at the homepage,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1270.65,"endTime":1273.5,"body":"I was looking at it a couple days ago, and it's just like, wow,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1273.5,"endTime":1276.24,"body":"these are like real food. Because a lot of time you do think like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1276.78,"endTime":1279.44,"body":"you know, before you're a vegan, you think like vegans, what do they eat salads,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1279.44,"endTime":1280.5,"body":"they eat rabbit food, whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1280.84,"endTime":1284.23,"body":"But then, you know, with like recipes that you make and, you know,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1284.23,"endTime":1288.85,"body":"other people share and whatever, it's like very obviously like savory comfort"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1288.85,"endTime":1291.33,"body":"food, like real food recipes. Recipes."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1291.62,"endTime":1294.55,"body":"So this is, I mean, just straight up not true."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1295.4,"endTime":1298.47,"body":"There are actually a lot of vegans who don't eat salads just as much as non-vegans"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1298.47,"endTime":1299.36,"body":"don't eat salads. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1300.4,"endTime":1304.46,"body":"Yeah. I think especially like there are many things I like more than salads."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1304.87,"endTime":1307.86,"body":"I do like a good salad every now and then. Yeah. But I will say that..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1309.93,"endTime":1313.7,"body":"For me, it's like it was so much easier to make a salad before I went vegan"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1313.7,"endTime":1318.07,"body":"because like there was shredded cheese that I liked and you could top it with"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1318.07,"endTime":1322.03,"body":"like a hard boiled egg or like really good croutons from the store and like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1322.03,"endTime":1323.13,"body":"a really great dressing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1323.13,"endTime":1325.61,"body":"And I think that's harder to find as a vegan, which is probably why."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1325.61,"endTime":1328.01,"body":"All those things together. Yeah. Really good."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1328.01,"endTime":1332.75,"body":"I think that's why I make it less because I prefer homemade dressing over store-bought dressing. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1333.07,"endTime":1336.77,"body":"But when we make vegan salads, we go on a kick because like we'll make a big"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1336.77,"endTime":1341.19,"body":"batch of like homemade dressing and I'll make like homemade croutons because"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1341.63,"endTime":1345.33,"body":"the store-bought ones, there's a there's not very many vegan store-bought croutons"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1345.33,"endTime":1347.33,"body":"that are vegan. Yeah. But also they're not very good."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1348.09,"endTime":1352.32,"body":"So just make your own. Yeah. But yeah, there's all kinds of other stuff that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1352.32,"endTime":1354.01,"body":"would rather eat than a salad as a vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1354.13,"endTime":1358.29,"body":"And like if you go to restaurants, you almost can't even get a salad as a vegan"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1358.29,"endTime":1361.79,"body":"because they usually don't even have like salads that you can order that are veganized."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1361.91,"endTime":1365.01,"body":"Yeah. I don't know where that came from. I think people just don't know what vegan food is."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1365.18,"endTime":1365.48,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1365.89,"endTime":1367.07,"body":"You should go look it up. It's good."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1368.21,"endTime":1373.13,"body":"The next myth is that children can't safely be vegan. So this one,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1373.13,"endTime":1377.06,"body":"you know, people tend to talk about kids and nutrition a lot more because you're"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1377.06,"endTime":1380.06,"body":"kind of in that developmental stage, all your stuff still trying to grow the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1380.06,"endTime":1381.53,"body":"way it's supposed to and things like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1381.92,"endTime":1386.98,"body":"But the medical community has settled on the fact that like veganism and vegetarianism"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1386.98,"endTime":1390.35,"body":"are safe and appropriate for all stages of human growth."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1391.27,"endTime":1394.71,"body":"But as a kid, especially as an infant or something like that,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1394.71,"endTime":1397.52,"body":"you definitely want to make sure you're paying attention to supplementation"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1397.52,"endTime":1398.88,"body":"more in those stages, probably."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1399.33,"endTime":1404.46,"body":"Because the kids are picky eaters, for one. And the natural diets might not"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1404.46,"endTime":1407.3,"body":"have all the things they need in them. So like calcium is a big one."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1407.99,"endTime":1411.59,"body":"Um, there was a study that found vegans as kids were"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1411.59,"endTime":1415.13,"body":"shorter on average and slightly lower bone mineral density."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1415.54,"endTime":1419.12,"body":"So this is just one of those stages of life where it's important to make sure"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1419.12,"endTime":1421.97,"body":"you're checking all the boxes on your supplementation. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1421.97,"endTime":1426.08,"body":"And as a vegan, that is a little more tricky. So, but there are easy ways to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1426.08,"endTime":1427.57,"body":"do supplementation for kids."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1427.93,"endTime":1430.29,"body":"Yeah. And I think this could be true with omnivore kids too."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1430.29,"endTime":1433.68,"body":"Because like you said, kids are really picky. So if, if, I mean,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1433.68,"endTime":1435.85,"body":"there are a lot of kids that don't even want to eat meat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1436.42,"endTime":1439.76,"body":"Right. Or they just have like weird hangups on food and like they just don't"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1439.76,"endTime":1442.42,"body":"like eating protein or whatever. They won't drink."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1442.77,"endTime":1445.32,"body":"There's a lot of kids that won't drink cow milk, which is like where like the"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1445.32,"endTime":1449.24,"body":"calcium is usually coming in at. Right. So I think like vitamin deficiencies"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1449.24,"endTime":1452.44,"body":"and stuff in kids are pretty common, which I think is, you know,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1452.44,"endTime":1453.57,"body":"why the Flintstone vitamins."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1454.01,"endTime":1454.25,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1454.65,"endTime":1456.87,"body":"Have been pushed for decades. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1457.41,"endTime":1460.41,"body":"Yeah. So just pay attention to supplementation. Make sure you're not really"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1460.41,"endTime":1462.29,"body":"missing anything. Obviously work with your doctor."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1462.68,"endTime":1466.53,"body":"but in general, the medical community consensus is that you can be vegan and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1466.53,"endTime":1468.64,"body":"vegetarian at any age, any stage of life."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1469.06,"endTime":1471.2,"body":"Similarly, I've heard the myth that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1472.13,"endTime":1475.83,"body":"Babies can't be vegan because boob milk isn't vegan, but hey,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1476.13,"endTime":1482.24,"body":"so boob milk's vegan because it's from a human that consents to giving their"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1482.24,"endTime":1485.35,"body":"milk to a child. So, that's how that works."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1486.29,"endTime":1488.49,"body":"I have seen that argument a lot and it makes no sense to me."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1490.31,"endTime":1494.58,"body":"If a mom wants to give milk to their kid, that's vegan. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1494.72,"endTime":1498.13,"body":"The next myth is that vegan diets automatically improve health and help with weight loss."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1498.13,"endTime":1502.3,"body":"Yeah, this one isn't true. True. I mean, like, it's all going to be very dependent"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1502.3,"endTime":1504.33,"body":"on what you eat, if you're watching what you eat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1504.33,"endTime":1507.97,"body":"Yeah, I mean, like we were saying, vegan processed food and vegan convenience"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1507.97,"endTime":1510.53,"body":"food options have improved a lot over the last few years."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1510.88,"endTime":1514.13,"body":"So now you can basically eat the same quality diet, and I mean,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1514.13,"endTime":1517.87,"body":"like, the same poor quality diet as a vegan that you can as an omnivore."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1517.87,"endTime":1519.4,"body":"And it's just as tasty."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1519.4,"endTime":1523.19,"body":"Right. It's just as good. And it's kind of basically the standard American diet,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1523.19,"endTime":1527.14,"body":"vegan style. So typically processed foods are like a higher calorie density."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1527.14,"endTime":1529.87,"body":"So, if you're substituting a non-vegan version with the vegan version,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1529.87,"endTime":1531.19,"body":"but the calorie density is basically"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1531.19,"endTime":1534.11,"body":"the same, then it's not going to automatically cause any weight loss."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1534.26,"endTime":1538.64,"body":"Right. I would say if you're eating like a whole food plant-based diet,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1538.64,"endTime":1542.32,"body":"you just switched over to that, it's likely that you could lose weight from"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1542.32,"endTime":1544.39,"body":"that just because you're like going to be more full. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1545.11,"endTime":1548.16,"body":"more satiated because of the higher volume of food yeah you"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1548.16,"endTime":1551.43,"body":"You probably will in that case i think there's a pretty good chance that if"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1551.43,"endTime":1555.17,"body":"you actually stuck to a strict whole food plant-based diet you would like get"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1555.17,"endTime":1560.36,"body":"to a average weight at some point just because it's hard to overeat calories on that kind of diet yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1561.54,"endTime":1565.13,"body":"Yeah but i would say like vegan diet doesn't automatically mean a healthy diet"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1565.13,"endTime":1568.59,"body":"like yeah it's very similar to omnivore it's all very dependent on like what"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1568.59,"endTime":1572.54,"body":"you eat there's a lot of good uh junk food options it just really matters like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1572.54,"endTime":1573.54,"body":"what you're eating Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1573.54,"endTime":1573.92,"body":"Definitely."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1574.13,"endTime":1579.89,"body":"I think this one comes from just like veganism and plant-based eating being"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1579.89,"endTime":1582.88,"body":"used very synonymously, which they're not really the same thing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1583.22,"endTime":1589.28,"body":"Well, there are also a lot of vegans who kind of push the health angle as a universal statement."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1589.64,"endTime":1590.18,"body":"Yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1590.54,"endTime":1593.72,"body":"And it's like, okay, well, first of all, a lot of people are vegan for ethical"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1593.72,"endTime":1596.76,"body":"reasons, not for health reasons. Right. So they're going to go vegan and then"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1596.76,"endTime":1600.37,"body":"they're like, oh, I'm eating vegan cookies or whatever. It's healthy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1600.37,"endTime":1603.12,"body":"And it's like, well, we got to really watch that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1603.12,"endTime":1606.66,"body":"This is, I think, similar to what we said early on. It's like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1606.91,"endTime":1610.49,"body":"it's really important to like, not give a few grains of truth,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1610.49,"endTime":1614.96,"body":"but give the full truth so that people don't have false expectations going into eating vegan food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1615.15,"endTime":1619.06,"body":"Yeah, 100%. The next myth is that humans are natural carnivores and evolved"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1619.06,"endTime":1620.7,"body":"from our ancestors who ate mostly meat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1621.06,"endTime":1622.8,"body":"This one annoys the shit out of me."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1624.06,"endTime":1628.89,"body":"Yeah, go take a bite out of some wild animal in the wild just while it's standing"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1628.89,"endTime":1630.78,"body":"there. Tell me how much of a carnivore you are. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1630.95,"endTime":1633.53,"body":"You know what? Another thing. I don't think people really talk about this much."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1633.81,"endTime":1637.37,"body":"But like when I'm like looking at dogs and cats and stuff and I see how much"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1637.37,"endTime":1640.48,"body":"they can unhinge their jaw. Like how wide they can open their mouth. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1640.98,"endTime":1643.2,"body":"It's like humans can barely open our mouths. It's like."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1643.69,"endTime":1646.42,"body":"You know what I mean? Like, most humans can't even take a bite of,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1646.42,"endTime":1648.1,"body":"like, a double vegan cheeseburger."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1649.6,"endTime":1653.26,"body":"You think we're carnivores? You think we're supposed to be eating raw meat from a deer? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1653.84,"endTime":1658.28,"body":"So, I mean, obviously there's scientific evidence going back a long time that"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1658.28,"endTime":1661.51,"body":"humans ate plant food, cooked plant food, things like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1661.86,"endTime":1669.07,"body":"But I think generally, you know, the history of humanity has been eat whatever you can find."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1669.07,"endTime":1669.66,"body":"Yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1669.96,"endTime":1674.87,"body":"So, I don't know that it's necessarily like there, even if there were humans,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1674.87,"endTime":1679.06,"body":"like, you know, people in frozen climates and stuff like that who ate mostly"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1679.06,"endTime":1680.7,"body":"meat because vegetation doesn't grow."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1681.19,"endTime":1685.37,"body":"I'm sure there were cases like that, but that doesn't mean that humans are carnivores."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1685.81,"endTime":1691.55,"body":"And even if that was true, that doesn't necessarily need to be the reason we"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1691.55,"endTime":1695.01,"body":"eat things now. Like, we obviously process plants just fine."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1695.47,"endTime":1699.88,"body":"We have other options now. We have supermarkets now. Most people have access to a supermarket."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1700.96,"endTime":1706.52,"body":"So there's just not really a reason to try to base what we decide to do now,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1707.1,"endTime":1712.56,"body":"on like how our caveman ancestors did things, especially when we have the medical"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1712.56,"endTime":1716.43,"body":"knowledge now to know that in general, the more whole plants you eat,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1716.43,"endTime":1719.51,"body":"the healthier you are, the better your blood is, the longer you live,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1719.51,"endTime":1720.88,"body":"less disease, things like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1721.24,"endTime":1725.3,"body":"Like, why would you look at that and still be like, okay, that's good to know,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1725.3,"endTime":1728.32,"body":"but I'm going to eat like my caveman ancestor."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1728.51,"endTime":1731.97,"body":"It's funny because I don't really see them doing anything else like their caveman"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1731.97,"endTime":1733.66,"body":"ancestors. You know, I'm just saying like..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1734.18,"endTime":1737.32,"body":"I mean, the cavemen, they just built fires, right? And lived in caves."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1737.32,"endTime":1740.61,"body":"Why don't you go fucking do that? Why are you sitting in your house with electricity?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1740.93,"endTime":1744.34,"body":"You use air conditioning? Your caveman ancestors didn't use air conditioning."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1744.55,"endTime":1746.77,"body":"Humans did not evolve to be air conditioned."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1746.77,"endTime":1752.25,"body":"Yeah. You should go sit in a cave with your stupid fire and hit things with clubs."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1752.25,"endTime":1757.1,"body":"Yeah. So anyway, humans are obviously not natural carnivores at the very least."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1757.1,"endTime":1758.34,"body":"That's a very extreme position."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1758.66,"endTime":1762.1,"body":"But even the less extreme version where it's like we grew up and evolved eating"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1762.1,"endTime":1765.96,"body":"meat. You have to keep eating meat. Like, that's not, you don't really have to keep eating meat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1765.96,"endTime":1772.83,"body":"That's the point of omnivore. It's that your body can process either plant or animal. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1773.54,"endTime":1776.42,"body":"And then I think there has been newer research coming out that says looking"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1776.42,"endTime":1780.33,"body":"at the diets of cave people, more of their diet was made up of plant foods than"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1780.33,"endTime":1781.59,"body":"we originally thought. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1782.23,"endTime":1785.07,"body":"I think it's hard to really say, like, what all of them actually did day to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1785.07,"endTime":1787.65,"body":"day. And again, it's going to be different based off where they lived and what they had access to."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1787.65,"endTime":1791.23,"body":"Yeah, like if you're like next to the ocean and not at places where vegetation"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1791.23,"endTime":1794.41,"body":"grows, then obviously that's going to be a much different situation, right?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1794.66,"endTime":1797.88,"body":"Yeah, but I think like you said, they do find more and more that plants were"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1797.88,"endTime":1801.67,"body":"a bigger part of it than they thought. Yeah, yeah. Next up is that animals kill"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1801.67,"endTime":1804.83,"body":"and eat other animals in nature, so eating animals can't be unethical."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1805.5,"endTime":1810.1,"body":"Yeah, that one's always weird to me because it's like, yes, animals kill and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1810.1,"endTime":1815.43,"body":"eat other animals in nature because animals don't have jobs and can go to grocery stores. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1815.91,"endTime":1817.94,"body":"But you know what animals aren't doing in nature?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1818.66,"endTime":1824.47,"body":"It's breeding 80 billion land animals a year in factory farms,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1825.21,"endTime":1829.58,"body":"putting them in tiny, cramped, horrible conditions, and then slaughtering them."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1829.58,"endTime":1832.94,"body":"Yeah. Also, animals do a lot of things in nature that is unethical for humans"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1832.94,"endTime":1836.41,"body":"to do. Like, they kill their own babies. They kill each other all the time."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1836.41,"endTime":1838.97,"body":"Yeah. Not just to eat. Like, there are animals that, you know,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1838.97,"endTime":1841.87,"body":"a couple of animals anyway, that just hurt things for fun. Like, dolphins."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1842.19,"endTime":1845.75,"body":"Right, right. It's like things for fun. That's unethical for a human to do."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1845.75,"endTime":1847.39,"body":"Yeah. What did I see? Something about..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1849.16,"endTime":1852.66,"body":"Yeah. Were like basically surgically"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1852.66,"endTime":1856.4,"body":"removing was it they were like taking the liver out of something,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1856.4,"endTime":1857.82,"body":"Wasn't it? Oh, yeah, yeah, you're right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1857.97,"endTime":1861.32,"body":"Yeah, but they were also wearing, God, what was the hat thing they were doing?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1861.32,"endTime":1864.64,"body":"It was like the head of an animal, right? Something like that. It was really fucked up."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1865.24,"endTime":1868.4,"body":"So anyway, humans wouldn't do that. So why are we cherry picking this one thing"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1868.4,"endTime":1872.13,"body":"like animals eat each other? It's like, okay, but you don't do all those other"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1872.13,"endTime":1873.21,"body":"weird things animals do."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1873.34,"endTime":1876.87,"body":"Yeah, they also sniff each other's asses. Like, are we doing that?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1876.87,"endTime":1880.12,"body":"Some people do. Ally McBeal. They did it in Ally McBeal."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1880.39,"endTime":1882.98,"body":"Animals just poop wherever they are. Humans can do that, right?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1883.57,"endTime":1883.92,"body":"Could."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1884.24,"endTime":1885.8,"body":"Yeah. So, anyway. These are good."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1885.8,"endTime":1889.44,"body":"If you haven't seen Allie McBeal, you should watch it on. Remember?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1889.44,"endTime":1891.67,"body":"They sniffed each other's butts on the playground. No, I don't remember."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1892.07,"endTime":1895.12,"body":"The next myth is that eating vegan is privileged and expensive."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1895.23,"endTime":1898.41,"body":"We actually had a whole episode about this called Veganism is Privileged."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1898.41,"endTime":1901.94,"body":"Yeah. And we'll link that in the show notes so you can, like, get the whole vibe."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1902.3,"endTime":1908.16,"body":"It's a little bit nuanced to cover in full. But what I will say is that globally,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1908.52,"endTime":1911.98,"body":"plant-based proteins are almost always the cheapest protein sources,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1912.5,"endTime":1913.54,"body":"no matter where you are in the globe."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1914.03,"endTime":1917.02,"body":"Yeah, and outside of protein, same for plant-based foods, which,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1917.02,"endTime":1918.98,"body":"you know, is most food that isn't protein anyway."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1918.98,"endTime":1919.74,"body":"Right, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1919.74,"endTime":1922.77,"body":"Eating rice, like rice is obviously super cheap, super common."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1922.77,"endTime":1925.97,"body":"But yeah, there is some privilege that goes into eating vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1925.97,"endTime":1927.3,"body":"It just assumes that you're..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1927.99,"endTime":1930.17,"body":"It also depends on how you're eating vegan, right? So, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1930.17,"endTime":1933.59,"body":"if you're doing a whole food plant-based diet, it's certainly much easier usually"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1933.59,"endTime":1937.27,"body":"to be vegan no matter where you are because you're just buying,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1937.27,"endTime":1938.49,"body":"like, beans and lentils. Like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1938.49,"endTime":1941.32,"body":"dried beans and lentils are pretty easy to find, good protein sources."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1941.62,"endTime":1944.8,"body":"Yeah. And the more you rely on processed food, the more expensive it will be,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1944.8,"endTime":1948.8,"body":"but the more you rely on, like, the whole foods, typically, especially for dry whole foods."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1948.8,"endTime":1952.81,"body":"Yeah. I mean, definitely, I feel like the privilege definitely comes in when"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1952.81,"endTime":1955.83,"body":"we're talking about processed foods or eating out at restaurants and stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1955.83,"endTime":1958.31,"body":"Yeah. Obviously going to be more expensive and you're going to have to have"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1958.31,"endTime":1963.1,"body":"the privilege of being in an area that has a well-stocked grocery store full"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1963.1,"endTime":1967.64,"body":"of processed meat replacements and dairy replacements or you're like near a"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1967.64,"endTime":1968.67,"body":"bunch of vegan restaurants."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1968.67,"endTime":1975.92,"body":"But you can almost always do veganism cheaper usually than omnivore depending on, I will say,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1976.76,"endTime":1979.67,"body":"if you're like in a food desert where you're mostly shopping at gas stations,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1979.67,"endTime":1983.07,"body":"it can be a lot more challenging because you're mostly dealing with processed"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1983.07,"endTime":1984.84,"body":"foods and the options might be pretty limited."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1985.26,"endTime":1988.35,"body":"Well, the good thing is that most of the cheapest vegan options,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1988.35,"endTime":1991.22,"body":"like the dry goods, can be bought in bulk. So if you can manage to get to a"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1991.22,"endTime":1994.43,"body":"grocery store like once a month or something, you could potentially buy it in"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1994.43,"endTime":1995.68,"body":"bulk if you can manage that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1995.68,"endTime":2000.75,"body":"Yeah, and you wouldn't really need like fridge space or freezer space because it's shelf stable."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2001.24,"endTime":2005.96,"body":"Also, an option would be to buy it online and get it shipped to you wherever you are."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2006.17,"endTime":2009.48,"body":"Because usually you can do that pretty much anywhere and you can buy it in bulk too."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2009.67,"endTime":2014.11,"body":"But, you know, that also comes down to, like, do you have the money available"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2014.11,"endTime":2015.45,"body":"to buy something in bulk? Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2016.82,"endTime":2021.05,"body":"But, yeah, we covered that in a lot more detail and nuance in a different podcast,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2021.05,"endTime":2022.2,"body":"and we will link that. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2022.41,"endTime":2024.92,"body":"And that had a whole segment about food deserts as well. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2026.22,"endTime":2029.38,"body":"The next myth is that vegan diets kill more animals because crop deaths."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2029.8,"endTime":2033.28,"body":"Well, that's definitely not true because who's eating most of the crops?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2033.28,"endTime":2035.16,"body":"It is factory farmed animals."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2035.16,"endTime":2039.53,"body":"Yeah, definitely. So, yeah, if everybody was eating a vegan diet,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2039.53,"endTime":2043.53,"body":"we would theoretically have less total crops. So there would be less crop deaths."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2043.85,"endTime":2048.07,"body":"Yeah. And this is like just the same as far as harm reduction in general,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2048.07,"endTime":2051.35,"body":"like the lower you're eating in the food chain, the less harm you're causing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2051.35,"endTime":2057.55,"body":"Because basically, if you're eating plants, like any harm you're causing is"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2057.69,"endTime":2061.37,"body":"contained within however the plants are being produced and harvested."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2061.85,"endTime":2065.16,"body":"But if you're eating like cow, for instance, like the amount,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2065.16,"endTime":2069.05,"body":"the total amount of harm that you're causing is you're eating a cow,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2069.26,"endTime":2071.1,"body":"which there's harm there, obvious harm there."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2071.48,"endTime":2077.89,"body":"But then you're also responsible for all of the crops that the cow ate in its"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2077.89,"endTime":2082.2,"body":"entire life and whatever harm was caused in growing and harvesting those crops."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2082.2,"endTime":2087.55,"body":"Yeah, I feel like if you like draw out the picture of the crops to how it gets"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2087.55,"endTime":2091.26,"body":"to the human as calories, then it becomes pretty obvious that there are a whole"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2091.26,"endTime":2095.82,"body":"bunch of extra steps that are inefficient between like the ones that involve you eating animals."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2095.82,"endTime":2100.51,"body":"Yeah, exactly. So, like, the crop death thing is always a little absurd because"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2100.51,"endTime":2104.66,"body":"it's like, well, you as an omnivore are obviously contributing more to crop"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2104.66,"endTime":2106.65,"body":"death because you're eating higher in the food chain."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2106.81,"endTime":2106.98,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2108.18,"endTime":2114.63,"body":"But also, you know, in a capitalistic society, there is no way to exist without"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2114.63,"endTime":2119.57,"body":"causing harm somewhere. So, like, you're just trying to do the very best you can as a vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2119.57,"endTime":2120.05,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2120.55,"endTime":2121.67,"body":"You still have to eat food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2122.77,"endTime":2126.32,"body":"It's true. The next myth is that soy is destroying the rainforest and veganism"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2126.32,"endTime":2127.47,"body":"is bad for the environment."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2127.8,"endTime":2131.78,"body":"Yeah. So this one's, like, pretty similar to the last one, which is that who's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2131.78,"endTime":2134.35,"body":"eating all the soy? Because it's not a vegan. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2135.47,"endTime":2139.75,"body":"Yeah. Yeah, this is another one. Like if we cut the animals out as the middlemen,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2140.09,"endTime":2143.29,"body":"then if we just ate the soy directly, we'd grow a lot less soy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2143.29,"endTime":2147.74,"body":"So whatever negative impacts you think soy growing has, it would ironically"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2147.74,"endTime":2149.91,"body":"be a better situation if you just ate more soy."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2150.63,"endTime":2155.83,"body":"Right, exactly. And you'd use less land that the animals are currently using. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2156.18,"endTime":2159.6,"body":"You know, and then we did do an episode that kind of covered this."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2159.76,"endTime":2163.38,"body":"It was more, it was specifically around monocropping. That gets brought up a lot."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2163.7,"endTime":2168.2,"body":"we'll link that in the show notes as well because we dug into this pretty deep"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2168.2,"endTime":2172.12,"body":"similar to destroying the rainforest we also covered the water footprint for"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2172.12,"endTime":2175.94,"body":"the environmental angle we covered that in great detail as well which we'll also link"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2176.59,"endTime":2180.11,"body":"yeah um but kind of similar to what we just said like the higher you eat in"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2180.11,"endTime":2183.31,"body":"the food chain like the more you're contributing to like all the other things"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2183.31,"endTime":2188.09,"body":"underneath right so like if you think your water footprint is bad as vegan it's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2188.09,"endTime":2190.75,"body":"actually like worse if you're eating cows."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2191.1,"endTime":2194.69,"body":"So the next myth is if I buy meat from small farms, it's ethical."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2194.69,"endTime":2198.84,"body":"So I don't know if I would say it's more ethical. I mean, I guess..."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2199.73,"endTime":2203.6,"body":"I think the reason I've seen used is it's like potentially slightly kinder."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2203.6,"endTime":2208.48,"body":"I would say if you're buying animals to eat from a farm that is not keeping"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2208.48,"endTime":2213.28,"body":"them shoved in tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny spaces in a big factory farm,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2213.78,"endTime":2217.96,"body":"that's obviously like a better life lived for the animal."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2217.96,"endTime":2224.41,"body":"But is it ethical to kill an animal like far, far before its natural lifespan?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2224.41,"endTime":2229.11,"body":"Like we're talking like they get to live maybe 10 to 15 percent of their natural lifespan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2229.11,"endTime":2230.39,"body":"Yeah, that's the big sticking point."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2230.68,"endTime":2234.04,"body":"Yeah, that doesn't seem very ethical to me. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2234.04,"endTime":2237.87,"body":"And then the other thing I will say, just doing some research and stuff,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2238.28,"endTime":2244.11,"body":"but the vast majority of small farms are still using similar slaughterhouses to the factory farms."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2244.11,"endTime":2250.24,"body":"So, like, if you have objections to how the slaughterhouses work for factory"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2250.24,"endTime":2254.84,"body":"farms, you should also care about that for small farms because most of those"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2254.84,"endTime":2257.51,"body":"are, like, the same amount of horrificness."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2257.51,"endTime":2259.91,"body":"And it sounds like they don't have much of a choice. Like we just read through"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2259.91,"endTime":2263.76,"body":"eating animals and there was a farmer who really liked to use like a specific"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2263.76,"endTime":2267.28,"body":"slaughterhouse that he knew did things in like a quote unquote better way, right?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2267.28,"endTime":2267.71,"body":"Yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2268.02,"endTime":2271.37,"body":"But basically that one ended up shutting down. He couldn't find another one"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2271.37,"endTime":2274.29,"body":"that operated that way and he just had to send it to one that he hated eventually."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2274.29,"endTime":2278.46,"body":"Yep. Yeah. Everyone caves eventually on their morals within the animal agriculture"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2278.46,"endTime":2281.41,"body":"industry is what I found. Or they start growing mushrooms."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2281.41,"endTime":2284.09,"body":"Yeah, yeah. That seems to be the two directions."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2284.09,"endTime":2290.35,"body":"It's one or the other. But I will also say that even if you are buying,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2290.35,"endTime":2294.69,"body":"like, let's say that you go buy meat directly from a small farm and then like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2294.69,"endTime":2298.59,"body":"when you're home cooking, you're only cooking that meat that came from a small farm."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2299.35,"endTime":2303.62,"body":"I would venture to guess that you at some point are eating out at restaurants regularly."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2304.35,"endTime":2308.24,"body":"Or you are buying processed foods at some point and, like, you don't know where"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2308.41,"endTime":2311.74,"body":"that meat or dairy products are coming from. And I guarantee it's not a small farm."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2311.74,"endTime":2313.04,"body":"No, everything has milk in it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2313.04,"endTime":2317.39,"body":"Yeah. So if you are, like, just eating as an omnivore, I don't think you can"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2317.39,"endTime":2320.89,"body":"avoid getting factory farmed meat at some point."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2321.29,"endTime":2324.33,"body":"Or some kind of product of factory farming. It's not meat, some kind of dairy"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2324.33,"endTime":2325.37,"body":"product, something like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2325.52,"endTime":2330.32,"body":"Yeah, because, like, the statistics we've looked at is 99% of all animals are"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2330.32,"endTime":2332.13,"body":"factory farmed. That's a crazy number."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2332.49,"endTime":2336.31,"body":"You're not going to get away from factory farmed animals if you're eating meat or dairy. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2336.31,"endTime":2341.44,"body":"So the next myth is that dairy and eggs are byproducts. No animals are harmed or killed."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2341.99,"endTime":2345.84,"body":"Now, if you want to hear the detailed explanation of this, we just did a podcast."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2346.6,"endTime":2351.2,"body":"Was it last week? Last week. Yeah. On basically like what vegetarians are missing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2351.2,"endTime":2352.24,"body":"And we cover this in detail."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2352.55,"endTime":2357.85,"body":"But for the dairy industry, if you didn't know, for a cow to produce milk,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2357.85,"endTime":2360.78,"body":"they have to be pregnant almost continuously."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2360.78,"endTime":2363.27,"body":"Yeah. And then if you're pregnant, they end up having a calf."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2363.27,"endTime":2366.56,"body":"Then certain choices are made with the calf that could result in it being killed."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2366.56,"endTime":2370.02,"body":"And then the calf is also separated from its mother, given less milk than it"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2370.02,"endTime":2374.1,"body":"actually needs to be healthy because they're trying to sell as much milk as possible."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2374.36,"endTime":2378.38,"body":"Right. So, yeah, the calf is going to die one way or another."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2378.38,"endTime":2379.8,"body":"The male calves. The male calves."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2380.1,"endTime":2383.61,"body":"Usually they get sold, I think, cheap ground beef is what we read."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2383.61,"endTime":2386.77,"body":"A couple of options. But it could also be veal, which is very,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2386.77,"endTime":2388.81,"body":"very, very sad. And I think they only live to be like, what,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2388.81,"endTime":2390.66,"body":"four months old or something. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2390.98,"endTime":2397.19,"body":"But then you also have to remember, like, that the female calves are going to become dairy cows."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2397.19,"endTime":2402.5,"body":"Right. And they get to live the same life as their mother, which is not a good"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2402.5,"endTime":2406.47,"body":"one because they're being constantly artificially inseminated in kind of brutal"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2406.47,"endTime":2409.75,"body":"ways and kept pregnant all the time, kept producing milk all the time."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2409.75,"endTime":2412.85,"body":"And then eventually they are killed once they, quote unquote,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2412.85,"endTime":2415.58,"body":"dry up, which doesn't mean they don't produce milk anymore. It's just not as"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2415.58,"endTime":2416.76,"body":"economical to keep them alive."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2416.76,"endTime":2418.51,"body":"And still well before their natural lifespan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2418.51,"endTime":2422.86,"body":"Yeah, I think it's like, I don't know, somewhere in the three to six year range."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2423.6,"endTime":2427.35,"body":"So, not very long, especially when they can live 15 to 20 years in real life. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2428.38,"endTime":2432.51,"body":"So, yeah, lots of victims there in the dairy industry, similar to the egg industry."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2432.8,"endTime":2437.38,"body":"Yeah. So, in the egg industry, you know, a lot of the chicks that come out of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2437.38,"endTime":2440.69,"body":"eggs that are fertilized are basically just immediately killed."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2441.56,"endTime":2443.11,"body":"So, there's a lot of death there as well."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2443.3,"endTime":2447.24,"body":"Yeah, because they're males and males can't lay eggs."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2448.22,"endTime":2451.83,"body":"Right. And if you didn't know, there's actually two types of chickens in the"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2451.83,"endTime":2452.98,"body":"factory farming industry."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2453.31,"endTime":2456.72,"body":"there are layers that lay eggs and then there are broilers which are used for"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2456.72,"endTime":2460.39,"body":"meat and those two never cross no so like you"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2461.12,"endTime":2464.05,"body":"because of just basically their body shape right like layers are optimized to"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2464.05,"endTime":2466.18,"body":"lay eggs broilers are optimized to"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2466.64,"endTime":2471.39,"body":"gain weight quickly in places that are good for meat right and so you would"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2471.39,"endTime":2475.64,"body":"never raise a male layer chicken in the broiler industry because it's uneconomical"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2476.0,"endTime":2479.3,"body":"so it's around six to seven billion layer"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2479.7,"endTime":2483.52,"body":"male chicks die every year within hours of being sexed which is"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2484.23,"endTime":2488.57,"body":"really sad and then um you also have to think about the laying hens that are"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2488.57,"endTime":2491.66,"body":"laying all of these eggs they're living in pretty inhumane conditions"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2492.02,"endTime":2496.95,"body":"and they are getting killed off pretty early in their lifespan too i think they"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2496.95,"endTime":2501.3,"body":"don't even get to live out 40% of their natural lifespan because they just become"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2501.61,"endTime":2503.57,"body":"less productive with egg laying yeah"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2504.12,"endTime":2508.41,"body":"so and they also have a lot of bone issues just how they've been genetically"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2508.41,"endTime":2513.09,"body":"bred there are victims in both dairy and egg it's it's actually pretty similar"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2513.09,"endTime":2516.64,"body":"to the meat industry as far as like harm and death yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2516.64,"endTime":2520.37,"body":"The next myth we have is that a vegan world is impossible because there's not"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2520.37,"endTime":2521.74,"body":"enough land to grow crops,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2522.8,"endTime":2526.67,"body":"so again we mentioned this kind of before but actually if there was a vegan"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2526.67,"endTime":2530.6,"body":"world there would be fewer total crops because right now we're being really"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2530.6,"endTime":2534.72,"body":"inefficient with those crops by feeding them to animals first and then eating the animals,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2535.29,"endTime":2540.41,"body":"So it would make a lot more sense from a pure calorie per square foot perspective"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2540.67,"endTime":2542.49,"body":"to just eat the crops directly and we'd need fewer."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2542.97,"endTime":2549.87,"body":"Yeah, I think I read something that only 20% of all worldwide calories are coming from animal products."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2550.0,"endTime":2555.82,"body":"But it was like some very large amount of percentage of all the crops are going to animal feed."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2555.92,"endTime":2560.21,"body":"Yeah, I don't know. I feel like it was something like 70 or 80% of that land"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2560.21,"endTime":2562.89,"body":"was used to provide 20% of our calories."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2562.89,"endTime":2567.4,"body":"Yeah, it was like a crazy number. Oh, yeah. And then there's this other statistic,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2567.4,"endTime":2572.49,"body":"which is basically researchers have looked at if all of the other countries around the globe"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2573.0,"endTime":2577.2,"body":"ate meat and dairy to the amount that the normal American eats it,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2577.63,"endTime":2581.97,"body":"we would need like four more planet Earths to contain all of these animals."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2582.29,"endTime":2585.76,"body":"Right. That wouldn't make sense. So, I mean, even if we kept,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2585.94,"endTime":2589.35,"body":"if we stopped eating animals and we kept the same crop footprint,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2589.35,"endTime":2592.06,"body":"we'd be able to feed a lot more people a lot more food. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2592.06,"endTime":2593.99,"body":"So that sounds pretty good to me."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2594.31,"endTime":2599.83,"body":"And we could potentially have a bunch of the land reopened that used to be like housing animals."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2599.83,"endTime":2603.79,"body":"Yeah, because there is some pasture land that can't be necessarily grown."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2603.79,"endTime":2604.87,"body":"You can't grow crops in it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2606.05,"endTime":2608.5,"body":"So you could just kind of rewild some of that pasture land."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2608.82,"endTime":2612.11,"body":"But they are coming out with technological advances that would allow humans"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2612.11,"endTime":2616.6,"body":"to actually digest algae. We talked about that on a few episodes ago."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2616.6,"endTime":2621.33,"body":"But basically, they're like somehow concentrating the protein out of algae. Or not algae, alfalfa."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2621.33,"endTime":2622.2,"body":"Alfalfa, yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2622.5,"endTime":2625.75,"body":"So, yeah, technological advances happen every day."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2626.06,"endTime":2628.37,"body":"And definitely if we started moving more towards a vegan world,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2628.37,"endTime":2632.11,"body":"like, we would have more funding towards, like, how do we make this the most"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2632.11,"endTime":2635.98,"body":"efficient thing possible to use the least amount of land and be the least amount"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2635.98,"endTime":2638.17,"body":"of harm on the environment. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2638.44,"endTime":2642.0,"body":"And then we also covered this quite a bit in our monocropping episode,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2642.0,"endTime":2643.85,"body":"which is going to be linked in the show notes as well."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2643.85,"endTime":2648.08,"body":"Yep. The next myth is that leather is way more environmentally friendly than pleather. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2648.64,"endTime":2653.32,"body":"This one, I see this one a lot. And for some reason, leather has been greenwashed"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2653.48,"endTime":2658.35,"body":"really heavily to the point where people genuinely think leather is somehow"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2658.71,"endTime":2660.03,"body":"super environmentally friendly."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2660.22,"endTime":2663.96,"body":"Yeah. I mean, pleather is not great environmentally wise, but leather is not"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2663.96,"endTime":2666.77,"body":"necessarily better. Pleather doesn't involve killing animals."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2667.19,"endTime":2671.21,"body":"Right. And I will say that the term pleather covers a lot."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2671.99,"endTime":2674.79,"body":"I think it's, you know, most people think pleather and they assume plastic,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2674.79,"endTime":2678.05,"body":"but actually there's a lot of advances happening here as well where they're using like."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2678.05,"endTime":2683.37,"body":"types of leather yeah they're using like cactus skin or like fruit leather"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2683.89,"endTime":2688.86,"body":"there's like a whole bunch of advances happening in the textile space for vegan"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2688.86,"endTime":2695.35,"body":"options right and uh the thing with leather is like if you're a vegan and you're thinking you know maybe"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2695.75,"endTime":2699.36,"body":"leather isn't that harmful because like the cow's getting killed anyway leather"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2699.36,"endTime":2702.33,"body":"is actually considered a co-product not a by-product"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2703.17,"endTime":2707.84,"body":"right um the sale of leather actually makes it more profitable to raise cows for meat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2707.84,"endTime":2712.16,"body":"Yeah, there are some cases where it might not make sense to the economics of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2712.16,"endTime":2716.94,"body":"the farm if they weren't able to sell the leather as well, which means it's not really a byproduct."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2716.94,"endTime":2721.72,"body":"Right, which means it's not really no harm. And then I will also say that there"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2721.72,"endTime":2724.69,"body":"are a lot of worker issues with the production of leather. Like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2724.69,"endTime":2727.11,"body":"it's actually an incredibly dangerous industry."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2727.85,"endTime":2731.13,"body":"I think we're going to do a leather episode where we kind of cover the actual"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2731.47,"endTime":2736.14,"body":"worker safety issues, but not good there either. It's also not good for the environment. and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2737.01,"endTime":2741.97,"body":"Um, I've seen like a few people asking, is it okay if I buy secondhand leather?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2742.71,"endTime":2745.21,"body":"I would say me personally, I wouldn't."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2746.12,"endTime":2751.55,"body":"The thing with leather in general is like, if somebody wants a leather product,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2751.88,"endTime":2753.35,"body":"they want a leather product, right?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2753.35,"endTime":2758.09,"body":"So like, if somebody that's not vegan was willing to buy something from the"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2758.09,"endTime":2759.99,"body":"secondhand shop, they're going to look there first."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2759.99,"endTime":2763.12,"body":"But if they really want a leather jacket, they're going to get a leather jacket. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2763.12,"endTime":2767.27,"body":"So, like, if you, a vegan, go and buys things from the second-hand store thinking,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2767.27,"endTime":2770.83,"body":"no harm, no foul, like, you're making it less available for people that don't"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2770.83,"endTime":2773.75,"body":"have moral objections to leather, and they're just going to go buy the new stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2773.75,"endTime":2775.02,"body":"It's kind of increasing the demand."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2775.29,"endTime":2779.48,"body":"I will say there is, like, in my opinion, one caveat for leather usage,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2779.48,"endTime":2780.98,"body":"and that is, like, with work."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2781.25,"endTime":2785.73,"body":"I mean, you can't really, I worked in an industry where you can't get away with it, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2786.39,"endTime":2789.88,"body":"Yeah. Like where I worked at a refinery, we weren't allowed having non-leather"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2789.88,"endTime":2794.08,"body":"shoes. Like the boots had to be leather. Like it was in the safety policy."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2794.08,"endTime":2795.3,"body":"It couldn't even be pleather."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2795.45,"endTime":2799.14,"body":"So yeah, you're going to obviously have to follow the safety policies of your company. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2799.63,"endTime":2802.0,"body":"I would say that another one is maybe like a car."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2802.64,"endTime":2805.38,"body":"I wouldn't necessarily go out and buy a new car with leather seats,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2805.51,"endTime":2808.79,"body":"but if you have like a limited budget and you're just trying to buy a used car,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2808.79,"endTime":2812.51,"body":"like you have to be able to get what you can get, you know, and like older cars"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2812.51,"endTime":2814.87,"body":"might not have pleather options. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2815.27,"endTime":2818.54,"body":"On the bright side, I think it's pretty uncommon for cars to use like actual"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2818.54,"endTime":2819.89,"body":"leather these days. Oh, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2820.49,"endTime":2823.96,"body":"Yeah. A lot of them are moving more towards like pleather or canvas-y options."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2823.96,"endTime":2827.53,"body":"And pleather, especially like the worst forms of pleather, have their own issues"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2827.53,"endTime":2831.2,"body":"with like plastics and plastic industry is awful and microplastics and things"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2831.2,"endTime":2834.2,"body":"like that. So definitely not saying go buy all the pleather."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2834.45,"endTime":2836.9,"body":"But like you said, there are way more sustainable options coming out."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2836.9,"endTime":2840.06,"body":"Or if you're talking about things like belts and wallets, there's like canvas,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2840.06,"endTime":2843.24,"body":"metal, like other options. If you have to choose between pleather and leather."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2843.24,"endTime":2844.57,"body":"Just go a complete different direction."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2844.89,"endTime":2849.3,"body":"Yeah. And as far as like shoes go, I know that I think a lot of people want"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2849.3,"endTime":2852.13,"body":"like work boots that are leather because they last longer and stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2852.5,"endTime":2855.39,"body":"But I would say like for me, I don't really buy work boots anymore."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2855.39,"endTime":2859.11,"body":"But I buy tennis shoes a lot. And honestly, what I found is like the soles always"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2859.11,"endTime":2861.51,"body":"wear out before any of the rest of the shoe wears out anyway."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2861.51,"endTime":2864.63,"body":"So, like, it's really not a big deal to buy pleather shoes. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2864.63,"endTime":2865.25,"body":"You know what I mean? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2865.59,"endTime":2869.06,"body":"Because, like, even if they were leather, like, the sole's going to wear before"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2869.65,"endTime":2870.95,"body":"the shit starts falling apart."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2871.7,"endTime":2874.3,"body":"And I've seen some of the boot companies even. They have, like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2874.3,"endTime":2876.56,"body":"composite materials now, and they don't use leather boots. Like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2876.56,"endTime":2880.61,"body":"I've got a pair of, like, composite brunt boots, I think they are."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2880.61,"endTime":2881.68,"body":"So, they're not leather."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2882.14,"endTime":2885.9,"body":"And they have the steel toe and all those same stuff and whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2885.9,"endTime":2888.77,"body":"But you don't have to have leather in them. The next myth is that fish don't feel pain."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2889.36,"endTime":2893.12,"body":"I think we've, this has been very proven that fish do in fact feel pain."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2893.12,"endTime":2896.61,"body":"Yeah, so there's at least one study where, we'll link in the show notes,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2896.61,"endTime":2900.53,"body":"where fish had basically like a pain response to something."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2900.84,"endTime":2904.98,"body":"And then when they gave them morphine, they went back to behaving normally,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2904.98,"endTime":2910.39,"body":"which kind of would imply that the fish was feeling pain and the morphine helped"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2910.39,"endTime":2913.55,"body":"relieve the pain. And then, you know, they were able to behave normally and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2913.55,"endTime":2914.48,"body":"kind of like a human would."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2915.1,"endTime":2919.26,"body":"Yeah, I think it's interesting because I was a vegetarian for a long time and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2919.69,"endTime":2921.87,"body":"no one was ever like, oh, do you eat?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2922.06,"endTime":2924.47,"body":"I'd be like, I'm a vegetarian and no one else was ever like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2924.47,"endTime":2925.65,"body":"so you eat cow though, right?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2925.93,"endTime":2928.73,"body":"But I had a shit ton of people be like, but you still eat fish."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2929.32,"endTime":2934.14,"body":"And for some reason, like just the general population doesn't view fish as like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2934.49,"endTime":2938.07,"body":"meat or even necessarily like, I almost feel like it's like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2938.22,"endTime":2940.03,"body":"they don't even view it as an animal. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2940.68,"endTime":2944.88,"body":"And part of me is like, I think it's because we're so detached from what is"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2944.88,"endTime":2945.94,"body":"happening in the ocean. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2946.59,"endTime":2949.43,"body":"You know, like we're not like walking around interacting with fish."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2949.43,"endTime":2954.99,"body":"And then also they just, I feel like show things differently than like normal,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2954.99,"endTime":2958.21,"body":"like land animals that you would interact with. Yeah. So I feel like people"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2958.21,"endTime":2961.57,"body":"just don't really understand that like obviously fish feel pain."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2961.57,"endTime":2965.26,"body":"Yeah. They don't have like arms and legs, so they can't really express emotion."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2965.28,"endTime":2970.48,"body":"Yeah. They just, like, flop around, you know, and they can't even vocalize for"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2970.48,"endTime":2973.45,"body":"the most part. So, yeah, it's just really hard for you to understand,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2973.45,"endTime":2975.59,"body":"like, this fish is feeling something."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2975.88,"endTime":2979.42,"body":"Yeah. And I will say, I think because fishing is such, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2979.42,"endTime":2984.43,"body":"a pastime that people do, I think that people get very desensitized to,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2984.43,"endTime":2988.77,"body":"like, what fish feel or, like, are fish animals, like—"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2989.6,"endTime":2993.09,"body":"Or just because like, and I think it kind of goes hand in hand with like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2993.38,"endTime":2996.23,"body":"there are a lot of people that go fishing and it's like, oh,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2996.23,"endTime":2998.33,"body":"it's just catch and release. Like nobody's hurt."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2998.71,"endTime":3003.66,"body":"Yeah. And it's like, why do you think that? Like you've just hooked a fish. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3003.97,"endTime":3007.72,"body":"And I think that's pretty obvious. Like, I don't know. I obviously growing up,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3007.72,"endTime":3010.64,"body":"I used to fish with my grandfather and like we released some,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3010.64,"endTime":3013.52,"body":"but it was like obvious that the fish was hurt. Like you're not like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3013.52,"endTime":3017.19,"body":"oh, catch and release is totally harmless. Like there was a hook involved."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3017.61,"endTime":3020.39,"body":"I don't know. I remember my dad being like, it's really not a big deal."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3020.39,"endTime":3022.73,"body":"They get stuck in their mouth and then they go on and they're fine."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3023.05,"endTime":3025.11,"body":"I just remember asking my dad and he said that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3025.49,"endTime":3027.73,"body":"I think a lot of people think that. And it's like, I don't know."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3028.84,"endTime":3030.13,"body":"I think a lot of people do think that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3030.13,"endTime":3033.43,"body":"Yeah. It's not harmless and they do get hurt and they do feel pain."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3033.68,"endTime":3034.01,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3034.15,"endTime":3037.36,"body":"So, yeah, I'm not really sure. There's just this very big disconnect with like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3037.36,"endTime":3040.03,"body":"fish in general, thinking that they're pain free."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3040.38,"endTime":3043.63,"body":"Similar to like lobsters. People like boil lobsters alive."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3044.19,"endTime":3048.4,"body":"That's fucking disgusting. like they feel all of that which is heartbreaking"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3048.4,"endTime":3052.7,"body":"I think it's interesting that there's more compassion for some of the bigger fish that can."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3052.7,"endTime":3054.07,"body":"Vocalize yeah like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3054.07,"endTime":3058.17,"body":"Dolphins and whales and stuff like okay we can hear them make sounds so now"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3058.17,"endTime":3061.01,"body":"we think that they have more feeling i mean i know dolphins are super smart"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3061.42,"endTime":3065.98,"body":"but like why does that lead us to believe that like less smart fish wouldn't"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3065.98,"endTime":3067.13,"body":"also kind of feel the same."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3067.13,"endTime":3071.5,"body":"Things it's something like octopus like yeah because they're so intelligent"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3071.5,"endTime":3076.69,"body":"they have arms yeah they have arms and stuff oh my god i actually saw a video where there was like a"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3077.13,"endTime":3080.86,"body":"lot pretty large shark that washed up on the beach and was like stuck could"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3080.86,"endTime":3083.64,"body":"not get back into the ocean because it was like beached"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3084.19,"endTime":3090.09,"body":"and there were multiple people risking their lives their literal lives because"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3090.09,"endTime":3093.18,"body":"you know a shark can kill you and they kill people sometimes"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3093.75,"endTime":3098.55,"body":"they were risking their lives to push this shark into the ocean and then i was like i'm"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3100.02,"endTime":3103.72,"body":"unfortunately curious to what people think of things even though i need to stay"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3103.72,"endTime":3106.28,"body":"out of comment section because i always get pissed off because i'm like reading"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3106.28,"endTime":3107.51,"body":"through the comments and people are like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3107.94,"endTime":3113.88,"body":"they're so brave that poor baby shark and i'm like you're probably writing this while eating a"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3114.28,"endTime":3118.79,"body":"like long john silvers for lunch what the fuck are you talking about like it's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3118.79,"endTime":3120.71,"body":"actually just wild like the lengths"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3120.71,"endTime":3124.97,"body":"people will go to to like save animals that they see in distress and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3125.56,"endTime":3129.32,"body":"But, like, once that animal is now dead on your plate, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3129.64,"endTime":3132.31,"body":"you never give it a second thought of, like, what it went through."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3132.31,"endTime":3133.61,"body":"I don't know. It's just kind of odd."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3133.61,"endTime":3137.91,"body":"It's a little odd. The next myth we have is that if veganism isn't perfect, it's pointless."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3137.91,"endTime":3141.12,"body":"Now, obviously, that's not true. I think I would rather have a world,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3141.65,"endTime":3147.5,"body":"an entire world of imperfect vegans than a world with 1% of perfect vegans."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3147.5,"endTime":3152.81,"body":"Oh, absolutely. I mean, the ultimate goal is reduction of animal harm,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3152.81,"endTime":3157.1,"body":"right? And as far as practicable and possible, but also just reduction in general."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3157.4,"endTime":3161.15,"body":"So even the people who are doing like a couple of vegan meals a week,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3161.15,"endTime":3164.53,"body":"a couple of vegan days a week, potentially, and they still don't buy leather"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3164.53,"endTime":3167.75,"body":"or fur or stuff like that. Like all of that stuff contributes to a reduction"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3167.75,"endTime":3169.72,"body":"in animal harm, which is good."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3170.01,"endTime":3174.32,"body":"It adds up and it also normalizes it, which I think lowers the barrier for people to try it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3174.44,"endTime":3176.59,"body":"It's kind of like the Meatless Monday thing. You might think,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3176.59,"endTime":3179.56,"body":"OK, well, if you can do Meatless Monday, why aren't you also doing Meatless"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3179.79,"endTime":3182.02,"body":"Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday? And it's like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3182.41,"endTime":3185.89,"body":"well, some people, it's just, they're just not going to get there that fast."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3186.03,"endTime":3190.8,"body":"Right. But like meatless Monday could lead to meatless, like meatless Monday"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3190.8,"endTime":3195.22,"body":"and Sunday, or it could lead to like half of their meals are meatless, you know?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3195.22,"endTime":3197.23,"body":"And they can come to the realization on their own, like, hey,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3197.23,"endTime":3198.55,"body":"well, I eat this every Monday."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3198.86,"endTime":3201.9,"body":"I really like it. Maybe I'll also try some stuff on some other days or,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3201.9,"endTime":3204.31,"body":"or maybe even to the point where they're like, well, okay, well,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3204.31,"endTime":3205.93,"body":"why am I eating meat at all?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3205.93,"endTime":3208.32,"body":"Yeah. Because I really like this food and I don't have to contribute to it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3208.32,"endTime":3212.47,"body":"So, I mean, as long as you are not like, OK, if somebody came to you and they"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3212.47,"endTime":3215.22,"body":"were like, I'm doing meatless Mondays and you're like, oh, you're a piece of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3215.22,"endTime":3218.87,"body":"shit because you're not all vegan all the time. They're like, OK, well."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3219.27,"endTime":3220.95,"body":"I don't want to join your club. You're mean."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3222.11,"endTime":3224.7,"body":"Going back to meat Mondays. I don't know. Yeah. But yeah, if you came in,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3224.7,"endTime":3227.2,"body":"you're like, oh, that's cool. Like, have you tried some of these recipes or"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3227.2,"endTime":3228.22,"body":"this stuff and blah, blah, blah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3228.54,"endTime":3231.31,"body":"And maybe they'd be more willing to try stuff on other days and then eventually"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3231.31,"endTime":3233.85,"body":"just, you know, only be eating vegan things altogether."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3233.85,"endTime":3237.94,"body":"Right. Now, I'm not saying that everyone should call themselves vegan if they"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3237.94,"endTime":3240.26,"body":"aren't vegan and like, you know. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3240.82,"endTime":3244.34,"body":"You can't say I'm 10% vegan, right? Right. Like, and I don't even agree with"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3244.34,"endTime":3247.9,"body":"like saying I'm 95% vegan or I'm vegan, but cheese. You're a vegetarian."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3248.38,"endTime":3251.53,"body":"Yeah. I'm not saying we have to change the definition of what is vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3251.53,"endTime":3255.22,"body":"But what I am saying is we should be, in my opinion, we should be celebrating"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3255.22,"endTime":3257.4,"body":"all of the baby steps they get you to veganism."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3257.65,"endTime":3260.83,"body":"Even if you never get fully to veganism, we should be like celebrating,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3260.83,"endTime":3264.98,"body":"supporting, answering questions, providing information and resources to anyone"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3264.98,"endTime":3268.43,"body":"that wants to try to reduce at all because that shit adds up. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3268.73,"endTime":3274.09,"body":"And like not only does it add up, it's like it makes it more easy for other"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3274.09,"endTime":3276.9,"body":"people to see it and be like, oh, I could do that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3277.56,"endTime":3281.59,"body":"You know what I mean? Because like what I will say is the vast majority of people"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3281.59,"endTime":3284.02,"body":"that are omnivores and have been omnivores their entire life."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3284.76,"endTime":3288.92,"body":"If they see somebody that's doing Meatless Monday versus someone who's vegan,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3288.92,"endTime":3293.08,"body":"they're much more likely to try or be encouraged by someone who's Meatless Monday"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3293.08,"endTime":3295.02,"body":"because that's closer to where they currently are."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3295.02,"endTime":3298.82,"body":"Yeah. You know, so like, I don't know. I think there are a lot of very hardcore"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3298.82,"endTime":3302.6,"body":"vegans that say that none of this matters unless the world is vegan and blah, blah, blah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3302.94,"endTime":3306.23,"body":"And, yeah, I think we all want that. We all want a perfectly vegan world where"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3306.23,"endTime":3311.66,"body":"no animals are harmed. But that is, like, potentially hundreds of years in the future, if ever."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3312.0,"endTime":3316.16,"body":"I know that sounds bleak. But, like, certainly we're not going to see a fully"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3316.16,"endTime":3318.24,"body":"vegan future. We're not going to live that long."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3319.27,"endTime":3322.99,"body":"But, like, I think because of that, I think it can make you really depressed."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3323.36,"endTime":3327.89,"body":"So it's helpful to look at things as like small victories, small wins and celebrate"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3327.89,"endTime":3333.06,"body":"them. You know, like personally, my parents have switched to vegan butter and vegan ice cream."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3333.6,"endTime":3337.95,"body":"And I know that's not much, but my parents are not vegan. They are not vegan"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3337.95,"endTime":3341.14,"body":"types at all. The fact that they have switched to products is like..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3341.76,"endTime":3346.16,"body":"a hugely massive deal for me it is like exciting every time i think about it"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3346.16,"endTime":3349.21,"body":"i know it's not much i know they probably will never go fully vegan yeah it's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3349.21,"endTime":3351.53,"body":"like it's a little bit of a reduction and i think it's exciting"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3351.92,"endTime":3356.13,"body":"Also it's kind of selfishly more people trying meatless monday and stuff helps"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3356.51,"endTime":3360.21,"body":"like actual vegans with options because i guess millions of people are doing"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3360.21,"endTime":3364.03,"body":"meatless monday that's creating a lot more demand for vegan products at the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3364.03,"endTime":3367.94,"body":"store and then we end up having more options more reliable you know things we can."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3367.94,"endTime":3372.94,"body":"Use yeah exactly yeah the normalization of just people eating meatless meals"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3373.04,"endTime":3374.35,"body":"is incredibly important."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3374.77,"endTime":3378.82,"body":"Even restaurants. Like restaurant demand would also be huge and then all the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3378.82,"endTime":3382.06,"body":"vegans would have better options at restaurants which would probably cause more"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3382.06,"endTime":3383.28,"body":"people to go vegan easier."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3383.28,"endTime":3388.2,"body":"So all these little like baby steps from the non-vegans kind of help push the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3388.2,"endTime":3390.69,"body":"demand to a point where it's easier for everybody to make it more."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3390.71,"endTime":3391.94,"body":"It's like a snowball effect."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3391.94,"endTime":3392.92,"body":"Exactly."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3393.43,"endTime":3397.33,"body":"So celebrate people that are trying. Please don't be mean to them."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3398.53,"endTime":3401.92,"body":"Most of the time they won't join us if you're mean. I mean, some people might."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3402.21,"endTime":3404.9,"body":"I mean, a lot of people just out of like spite will be like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3404.9,"endTime":3408.99,"body":"wow, that person was an asshole to me. I'm never going to try this like meatless Monday thing again."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3408.99,"endTime":3410.05,"body":"Humans are very petty."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3412.41,"endTime":3413.2,"body":"Us included."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3413.2,"endTime":3419.0,"body":"Yeah, no, for sure. I like to prove people wrong. Probably not at the animal's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3419.0,"endTime":3420.59,"body":"sake, but if they're not already there."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3421.58,"endTime":3424.2,"body":"You know what I mean? Like, if you don't already have someone on board with"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3424.2,"endTime":3427.48,"body":"the animal ethics, like, you being a dick to them isn't going to change their"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3427.48,"endTime":3429.1,"body":"mind. They're just going to be petty towards you."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3429.1,"endTime":3434.14,"body":"Yeah, 100%. The next myth we have is that vegans shouldn't drive cars because they hit bugs."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3434.54,"endTime":3438.72,"body":"Or, there's multiple forms of the same myth, or vegans shouldn't take medicine"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3438.72,"endTime":3441.76,"body":"or vaccines that contain animal products. Or your car isn't vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3442.06,"endTime":3443.25,"body":"Or your phone isn't vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3443.4,"endTime":3444.22,"body":"You're not a vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3444.22,"endTime":3444.3,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3445.33,"endTime":3451.85,"body":"Yeah, I think this is like, in my opinion, like the last ditch effort of like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3451.85,"endTime":3453.96,"body":"I've tried all of my other excuses."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3454.94,"endTime":3459.04,"body":"Let me do this one where it's like, none of us can be vegan in a capitalistic"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3459.04,"endTime":3463.05,"body":"society. So there's no point in trying. That's fucking dumb."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3463.05,"endTime":3466.62,"body":"Yeah. And it falls under the veganism definition I mentioned before,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3466.62,"endTime":3470.64,"body":"which is like the reduction of animal harm as far as is practicable and possible."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3470.99,"endTime":3475.78,"body":"Like some of these things are not practicable or maybe even in the case of medicine,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3475.78,"endTime":3479.64,"body":"it's not possible because there's like you have to have some medicines to live"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3479.64,"endTime":3481.93,"body":"and be healthy. And some of those things may not be vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3482.35,"endTime":3487.99,"body":"Yeah. And, um, yeah, I don't think any vegan would expect you to not take life-saving"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3487.99,"endTime":3490.26,"body":"medication or you're not a vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3490.26,"endTime":3494.24,"body":"Um, we need you alive and promoting veganism so that other people can learn"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3494.24,"endTime":3497.49,"body":"about veganism. So, you know, you can't make an impact if you're not here."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3497.72,"endTime":3499.49,"body":"Yeah. Got to take care of yourself first."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3500.16,"endTime":3503.02,"body":"And then like, obviously if you need a car, you need a fucking car."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3503.32,"endTime":3503.6,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3503.91,"endTime":3505.0,"body":"You probably need a phone."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3505.32,"endTime":3505.44,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3506.42,"endTime":3507.53,"body":"That doesn't make you not vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3507.71,"endTime":3511.26,"body":"Yeah, definitely. So these arguments, like you said, I think they're just last"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3511.26,"endTime":3515.31,"body":"ditch efforts. And I don't think they're really the point of veganism."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3515.31,"endTime":3518.85,"body":"And then the last myth we have is that vegans won't stop telling everyone they're vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3519.25,"endTime":3524.65,"body":"I have personally found quite the opposite, is that if people find out I'm vegan,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3524.65,"endTime":3525.95,"body":"they won't shut up about it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3527.76,"endTime":3531.51,"body":"Yeah. You know, it's like, and they can spot it too. Like, I can't even tell"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3531.51,"endTime":3535.16,"body":"you, especially, like, even when I was a vegetarian, like, how many times it's,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3535.16,"endTime":3539.45,"body":"like, we'd have lunches or something and I'm, like, only picking cheese pizza"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3539.45,"endTime":3541.33,"body":"or, like, I'm only eating a salad or something."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3541.54,"endTime":3544.17,"body":"And, like, people pick up after seeing it a couple times and they're,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3544.17,"endTime":3547.23,"body":"like, do you not eat meat? Why don't you eat meat? What's going on? What's wrong with you?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3547.87,"endTime":3550.61,"body":"And you don't even have to say it. They'll just. And not only that,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3550.61,"endTime":3553.29,"body":"if you tell one person, that shit will spread like wildfire. Oh, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3553.73,"endTime":3558.82,"body":"Like, the whole office will know by the end of the day that you're a weird little vegan. So, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3559.06,"endTime":3561.05,"body":"Yeah. I mean, and I think people..."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3562.14,"endTime":3564.94,"body":"I think that it comes up so much because, like, the people you're around every"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3564.94,"endTime":3567.43,"body":"day, you kind of have to bring it up because you probably eat with them a lot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3567.75,"endTime":3570.17,"body":"Right. And they, for whatever reason, I feel like people get,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3570.17,"endTime":3571.7,"body":"like, amnesia about this kind of thing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3571.7,"endTime":3573.23,"body":"Because you'll go out with somebody and be like, I'm a vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3573.23,"endTime":3575.85,"body":"We got to do this. And the next time they're like, hey, do you want to go to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3575.85,"endTime":3579.0,"body":"the ice cream factory or whatever? And you're like, still a vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3579.0,"endTime":3582.92,"body":"I don't. Yeah. So now from their perspective, like, wow, all they talk about is how they're a vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3583.02,"endTime":3586.41,"body":"Right. Yeah. Or, like, they're catering in lunch for work. So you're like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3586.41,"endTime":3590.21,"body":"just remember, I'm a vegan. Yeah. So that you can eat with everyone else."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3590.21,"endTime":3590.78,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3590.78,"endTime":3595.0,"body":"But I think this would be very similar to like if someone had a nut allergy."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3595.4,"endTime":3598.14,"body":"I'm not accusing them of talking about their nut allergy all the time."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3598.14,"endTime":3599.47,"body":"Totally ever talking about it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3599.47,"endTime":3603.32,"body":"They just want to be able to eat food and not die. So, yeah,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3603.32,"endTime":3606.34,"body":"I think it's the same with the vegan thing. And I would say for the most part,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3606.34,"endTime":3609.05,"body":"most vegans don't even really want to have those awkward conversations."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3609.05,"endTime":3613.27,"body":"No. Yeah, typically. It depends on the people. But with people I know,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3613.27,"endTime":3616.2,"body":"I bring it up. We talk about things like that a lot because we talk about food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3616.2,"endTime":3618.95,"body":"Yeah. But with people I don't know, I don't really bring it up unless I have"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3618.95,"endTime":3620.29,"body":"to. Like we're going to eat together."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3620.29,"endTime":3626.34,"body":"Yeah, I will say one of the things I personally hate the most is eating with"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3626.34,"endTime":3628.69,"body":"a bunch of omnivores I don't know very well."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3629.09,"endTime":3632.26,"body":"And I'm the only one eating something different. And they're all staring at"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3632.26,"endTime":3636.14,"body":"me and now asking me 20 fucking questions while they're all eating meat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3636.56,"endTime":3639.16,"body":"Yeah. And they're like, well, why are you? Why don't you eat meat?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3639.16,"endTime":3642.99,"body":"And it's like, do you want me to tell you what happened to the cow on your plate?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3642.99,"endTime":3647.28,"body":"Like, why are you asking me this right now? You're making this awkward."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3647.61,"endTime":3650.47,"body":"I guess the exception is like vegan clothing. like we've got like an herbivore"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3650.47,"endTime":3652.48,"body":"hat and a couple shirts that say vegan or whatever."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3652.48,"endTime":3652.96,"body":"But that's just"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3652.96,"endTime":3654.87,"body":"Fun yeah yeah it's like."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3655.6,"endTime":3658.81,"body":"I have a lot of vegan apparel as well, but, like, for me, it's like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3658.81,"endTime":3662.05,"body":"yeah, I'm kind of supporting vegan companies."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3663.14,"endTime":3665.54,"body":"There is this one brand, I can't remember what it's called, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3665.54,"endTime":3667.89,"body":"Vegan Outfitters or something. It's based out of the UK."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3668.31,"endTime":3670.69,"body":"I bought a lot of their clothes because it's, like, a vegan company."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3670.69,"endTime":3673.23,"body":"All their clothing is vegan. And then, anyways, it's a vegan place."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3673.53,"endTime":3677.11,"body":"But their clothing isn't, like, obviously vegan. It doesn't say vegan on it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3677.11,"endTime":3679.85,"body":"It's more of just, like, cool designs and stuff. But, like, I know it's from"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3679.85,"endTime":3682.53,"body":"a vegan company that cares about animals, so I buy from there. Cool."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3682.53,"endTime":3686.24,"body":"So that is pretty much all the myths we had to cover today. Hopefully you learn"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3686.24,"endTime":3690.12,"body":"something new. You got some information that you can help spread around or send"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3690.12,"endTime":3692.27,"body":"to people who give you some of these arguments."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3692.27,"endTime":3696.59,"body":"I feel like we could do several of these myth busting episodes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3696.59,"endTime":3697.77,"body":"There's just like so many."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3697.77,"endTime":3700.97,"body":"Yeah, there might be. Some of these are pretty in-depth. And there are a lot"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3700.97,"endTime":3702.62,"body":"of other myths that we didn't cover here."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3702.62,"endTime":3705.8,"body":"But yeah, I'll try to put potentially all these, at least most of these,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3705.8,"endTime":3707.58,"body":"have some sort of source in the show notes."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3707.58,"endTime":3710.75,"body":"So we're not just talking out of our ass. Let's get into the bite-sized coaching."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3710.75,"endTime":3713.79,"body":"In case you don't know, I'm a personal trainer. So every episode here,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3713.79,"endTime":3717.64,"body":"we do a very brief question and answer session where, you know,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3717.64,"endTime":3721.66,"body":"I cover a question that a client has asked me or might ask me or somebody online"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3721.66,"endTime":3724.7,"body":"has potentially asked me. So you read the questions."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3725.02,"endTime":3729.16,"body":"He's finally learning. I always get to read the questions. Okay,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3729.4,"endTime":3734.1,"body":"Mr. Personal Trainer. Okay. What supplements would you recommend to someone"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3734.1,"endTime":3736.22,"body":"transitioning to vegan or a plant-based diet?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3736.65,"endTime":3741.22,"body":"Yeah. So for somebody transitioning, I think it's probably a different recommendation"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3741.22,"endTime":3742.81,"body":"than somebody who just is vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3743.2,"endTime":3747.6,"body":"I think if you're transitioning, it would be a good idea to take a multivitamin"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3747.6,"endTime":3750.91,"body":"while you figure out what's going on, like a multivitamin, multimineral. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3751.71,"endTime":3754.21,"body":"And then like track your food for the first couple of weeks,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3754.21,"endTime":3758.66,"body":"at least, and Cronometer, like we mentioned earlier, to see where your food gaps might be."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3759.03,"endTime":3764.8,"body":"And then you can kind of pull back your supplements based on what you're seeing in your typical diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3765.82,"endTime":3767.81,"body":"Or you could just keep taking the multivitamin, which is what I do."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3768.14,"endTime":3772.55,"body":"Now, what would you, like, if someone were looking for a multivitamin for this,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3772.55,"endTime":3775.1,"body":"what would you tell them it should include?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3775.54,"endTime":3779.08,"body":"Yeah. So, I think some of the things it should include. B12 is the top one,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3779.08,"endTime":3782.08,"body":"like, mandatory. You have to find some way to get B12 as a vegan,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3782.08,"endTime":3785.27,"body":"whether that's a multivitamin supplement or a fortified food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3785.76,"endTime":3792.32,"body":"So, B12. Other things you should look for are vitamin D3, iron, calcium, potentially."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3792.92,"endTime":3795.67,"body":"You don't always want to supplement calcium. It's better to try to get that"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3795.67,"endTime":3797.0,"body":"from food, so try your best."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3798.12,"endTime":3803.7,"body":"Things like iodine, vitamin K2 potentially helps with the vitamin D3."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3805.55,"endTime":3808.8,"body":"Some of the others are like omega-3 potentially."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3809.2,"endTime":3812.74,"body":"You might get less omega-3 as a vegan. You could take an algae oil supplement"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3812.74,"endTime":3814.7,"body":"separately or you could take it in your multivitamin."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3816.02,"endTime":3819.62,"body":"And then some other things are like zinc. Zinc might be slightly lower for a vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3821.12,"endTime":3824.74,"body":"And then iron. Obviously, iron's another big one that might be slightly lower for a vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3825.08,"endTime":3829.13,"body":"So those are some of the things that are lower on a vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3829.13,"endTime":3833.54,"body":"So as you are transitioning, might not be properly covered. But all that stuff"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3833.54,"endTime":3834.98,"body":"could be included in a multivitamin."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3834.98,"endTime":3839.07,"body":"Now, I know that protein powder often gets lumped in with supplements."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3839.07,"endTime":3841.98,"body":"Would you recommend someone taking like a scoop of protein powder every day"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3841.98,"endTime":3843.18,"body":"when they're first transitioning?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3843.29,"endTime":3845.78,"body":"I don't think there's anything wrong with that. And I think you'll probably"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3845.78,"endTime":3849.14,"body":"take a little while to figure out like what vegan protein sources you really"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3849.14,"endTime":3851.5,"body":"like, especially the high quality ones."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3851.84,"endTime":3854.83,"body":"So I think that'd probably be a good idea. Just take a scoop of protein powder,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3854.83,"endTime":3857.92,"body":"especially like if you're somebody that's into fitness and working out,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3857.92,"endTime":3859.61,"body":"my list might get slightly longer."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3860.02,"endTime":3863.65,"body":"I'd probably do like creatine because vegans are a little lower in creatine"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3863.65,"endTime":3866.56,"body":"in general and even non-vegans take creatine every day. So I'd probably go ahead"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3866.56,"endTime":3870.2,"body":"and jump on the creatine. Other than that, you don't really need a lot of other"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3870.2,"endTime":3872.42,"body":"supplements, but there are some that could potentially help,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3872.9,"endTime":3874.78,"body":"especially if you're actually like play a sport."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3875.22,"endTime":3877.08,"body":"There are some other supplements that might be worth taking."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3877.86,"endTime":3881.26,"body":"But if you're just like working out, you're a vegan, you're transitioning."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3881.26,"endTime":3883.89,"body":"I think creatine is really the only sports supplement you probably need."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3883.89,"endTime":3886.88,"body":"Protein powder could be a good choice to just have like one scoop a day and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3886.88,"endTime":3888.65,"body":"then kind of the multivitamins that you're talking about."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3888.65,"endTime":3889.32,"body":"Sounds good."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3889.32,"endTime":3893.38,"body":"So let's get into our updates for the week. So our Deficient Vegans Discord"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3893.38,"endTime":3895.8,"body":"server is up over 400 people now."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3896.14,"endTime":3897.17,"body":"Yeah, no, that was..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3897.86,"endTime":3903.29,"body":"That was like a fever dream. Because I think last week we said it was like 270 something. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3903.48,"endTime":3906.8,"body":"And then, I don't know, I posted about the book club. People are very excited"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3906.8,"endTime":3909.42,"body":"about the book club. And then it just like went apeshit."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3909.74,"endTime":3914.31,"body":"Yeah. The next book, The Impactful Vegan by Robert Cheeke, starts next Tuesday."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3914.31,"endTime":3916.81,"body":"So not this Tuesday, not tomorrow when you hear it. Yeah, what's the date?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3916.81,"endTime":3920.72,"body":"But the next Tuesday, it's September 1st. Yeah. Easy to remember. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3921.04,"endTime":3922.99,"body":"We're going to be doing it in four sections."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3923.96,"endTime":3927.84,"body":"So basically, the book club will span for four weeks. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3927.84,"endTime":3929.18,"body":"And we'll be doing a section a week."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3930.26,"endTime":3933.52,"body":"If you're in our Discord or if you're joining the Discord, we have that in the"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3933.66,"endTime":3936.74,"body":"book club announcements. And it kind of like breaks down which pages you should"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3936.74,"endTime":3940.07,"body":"read for each week and which pages will be discussed each week."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3940.07,"endTime":3943.18,"body":"Yeah. And we do have the Deficient Vegans Discord in the show notes here if"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3943.18,"endTime":3946.16,"body":"you want to join and get involved in the book club and stuff like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3946.62,"endTime":3949.87,"body":"The raffle is already over. We shipped out the books to the winners."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3949.87,"endTime":3953.25,"body":"But you can get your own copy. You can probably get it on Libby."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3953.25,"endTime":3954.5,"body":"I haven't actually looked to see if it's a blog."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3954.6,"endTime":3957.45,"body":"I think you can get it on Libby. It's also on Audible if you don't want to get"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3957.45,"endTime":3962.19,"body":"a physical copy. I think it's on Kindle, too. Lots of options."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3962.19,"endTime":3965.81,"body":"So join us there, and we'd really like to see everybody. We've got plenty of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3965.81,"endTime":3966.93,"body":"new friends in the book club."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3966.93,"endTime":3970.65,"body":"Yes. I think it's going to be hopping. And The Impactful Vegan,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3970.65,"endTime":3973.64,"body":"if you don't know what it's about, it's kind of like..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3974.71,"endTime":3977.46,"body":"If you're reading it, you're probably already vegan and you're kind of,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3977.46,"endTime":3981.45,"body":"like, looking for things, ways to do more good as a vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3981.85,"endTime":3985.59,"body":"It's a pretty, I really like, this is probably my favorite vegan book because"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3985.59,"endTime":3989.56,"body":"it talks about, like, things that you can do to make a bigger difference as"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3989.56,"endTime":3993.71,"body":"a vegan and, like, where you should be dedicating your time and resources to make the most impact."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3993.71,"endTime":3997.62,"body":"Yeah. And I think it's kind of like the kind of advice that you don't really"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3997.62,"endTime":4000.33,"body":"hear much, which is why I like the book so much, because a lot of the vegan"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4000.33,"endTime":4004.1,"body":"activism stuff you hear is about like street activism, which is kind of the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4004.1,"endTime":4005.52,"body":"opposite of what this book covers."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4005.9,"endTime":4008.33,"body":"So it covers like all the other things you could kind of do."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4008.33,"endTime":4012.42,"body":"Yeah, I think it does touch on street activism. I really like that,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4012.71,"endTime":4017.0,"body":"so Robert Cheeke is the author and he does cite his sources of like where he's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4017.0,"endTime":4020.85,"body":"getting this information from, whether it's, I think some of the studies are"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4020.85,"endTime":4023.04,"body":"from Faunalytics, which we love over here. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4023.27,"endTime":4026.7,"body":"But yeah, I think it's like a really interesting book if you're just trying"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4026.7,"endTime":4028.13,"body":"to make a bigger difference as a vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4028.13,"endTime":4031.07,"body":"Yeah, for sure. I like it a lot. Yeah. So if you're listening to the podcast"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4031.07,"endTime":4036.67,"body":"and you enjoy it, if you could comment and review, if you could review and like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4036.67,"endTime":4038.43,"body":"and subscribe, depending on what platform you're looking on,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4038.43,"endTime":4039.51,"body":"that really helps us out a lot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4040.46,"endTime":4042.96,"body":"Also, if you're listening on Spotify or YouTube, you can leave us a comment."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4042.96,"endTime":4043.91,"body":"We'd love to hear from you guys."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4044.72,"endTime":4048.07,"body":"If you have any questions or ideas about the podcast, anything you want answered,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4048.07,"endTime":4051.2,"body":"anything you'd like to see us cover, please send us a message. All right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4051.52,"endTime":4054.32,"body":"Well, I think that's it. Do you want to say bye? Bye, guys. Bye, everybody."}]}