Joaquín Murrieta: The Robin Hood of El Doradoe

 In this episode, Marcelo tells the tale of Joaquín Murrieta, a Mexican-born 49er who became a symbol of resistance during the California Gold Rush. Dive in with us as we try to separate fact and folklore by examining his early life, the injustices he faced, and his transformation into a legendary outlaw. Was he a ruthless bandit or a folk hero fighting for the oppressed? Did he ever exist? Take a listen and find out for yourself. 

Resources:

Life And Adventures Of Joaquin Murrieta: The Celebrated California Bandit

by Ridge, John Rollin

Life and Adventures of the Celebrated Bandit, Joaquin Murrieta: His Exploits in the State of California

by Paz, Ireneo

Joaquin Murrieta and His Horse Gangs 

BY Frank F. Latta

Credits:

Hosted by Jess Leigh, Marcelo Aguilar, and Mason Orlando

Script written by Marcelo Aguilar

 Produced and edited by Mason Orlando 

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Transcript

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Jess: Yeah, for real.

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Mason Orlando: Okay, I think we're all rolling.

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Jess: We're solo.

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Mason Orlando: Started to share the screen.

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Mason Orlando: Okay, I'll go ahead and do the intro.

Mason Orlando: Hi, there, you're listening to fault summits a history podcast about the American West. My name is Mason Orlando. And today with me are my co-host.

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Mason Orlando: the lovely Jess Lee.

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Jess: Hello! Lovelies!

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Mason Orlando: And the tantalizing Marcelo Aguilar.

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marcelo aguilar: Tantalizing. Howdy, y'all.

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Jess: Tantalizing.

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marcelo aguilar: It's spicy.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah, like a love like a 7 spicy. I'll take that.

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Jess: Yeah.

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Mason Orlando: So I I wanna I wanna ask how we're all doing. But I'm gonna phrase it, like this name, something good that happened to you this week that you're

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Mason Orlando: stoked about.

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Jess: Hmm.

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marcelo aguilar: Go ahead. Jess.

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Jess: I did laundry.

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Jess: I bought eggs. That's that. That was an accomplishment.

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marcelo aguilar: Hey?

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marcelo aguilar: Those things are like pokemon cards. Now.

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Jess: I know right magic. The gathering cards.

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Mason Orlando: Happy

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Mason Orlando: selling eggs that you know. I just find on my day to day, you know. Just you know. Yeah, I sell them on Craigslist.

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Jess: Yeah, sure.

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marcelo aguilar: Some raw street eggs for you.

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Mason Orlando: Seagulls usually pass for chicken eggs, seagull eggs, so tell.

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Jess: I don't get the flu from eating any of those eggs.

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marcelo aguilar: I like how we were like, Hey, say something nice. And it's like, Oh, yeah. By the way, the flu.

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Jess: Oh, by the way, the flu.

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marcelo aguilar: We can only go like 2 sentences before we get to. Touched by reality again.

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Mason Orlando: Yeah, you're not wrong, Marcello. That being.

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Jess: Strange times.

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Mason Orlando: That being said you you

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Mason Orlando: you you told me that you had a bit of a lighter episode than the ones we've been doing lately.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah, yeah, I figure after the last.

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marcelo aguilar: yeah, I figured after our last episode

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marcelo aguilar: was, you know, a little bit on the heavier side, and then, apparently, you know, manifested in the world. So let's try to do something cooler this time, so that way. Something a little lighter.

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Jess: Just kind of bounce it out real nicely.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah, yeah.

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Jess: Together.

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marcelo aguilar: The pendulum the other way this time.

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Mason Orlando: Yeah, yes, all right. Well, I'll go ahead and give you the floor or the screen.

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marcelo aguilar: This floor screen. Yeah, we'll we'll take that.

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Jess: Da da?

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Jess: Oh, hey, yeah, Noah, that's the open drive. Everyone. Yeah.

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marcelo aguilar: That's the that's the new opening song trumpets.

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marcelo aguilar: Yes. So so today's episode. We are gonna be talking about a lesser known folk hero

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marcelo aguilar: named Joaquin Marietta. So today's episode is the legend of Joaquin Marietta the Robin Hood of El Dorado.

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marcelo aguilar: So do have you guys ever heard of this man, and you know, go ahead.

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Mason Orlando: I.

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Jess: Absolutely not. But I am really loving the vibe so far.

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marcelo aguilar: I mean, like.

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Mason Orlando: Yeah, that part concerns me, I suppose, but side of that.

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marcelo aguilar: Why is the why is the Marietta part? Why is that a thing.

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Mason Orlando: Just, Marietta. I'm familiar with the place, Marietta.

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marcelo aguilar: Oh, it!

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Mason Orlando: Bye.

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marcelo aguilar: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah. Mar. Well, Marietta, in Southern California. I know what you're talking about, Mason. I've been there before I got you.

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Jess: This is definitely a different Marietta, even just looking at the last, like the last name, is spelled different.

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Jess: so completely different.

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marcelo aguilar: You know what we'll have to come back around and see if see which one of those I mean, if there's 1 in Texas. I'm guessing it might have been named after him, the one here that Mason and I are talking about the infamous Marietta north of Temecula. We'll have to come back and.

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Jess: Oh, okay, I know nothing about that.

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Jess: Go on.

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Mason Orlando: Remember what I was telling you about Tebecula not that long ago, Jess.

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marcelo aguilar: No.

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Mason Orlando: It's it's the sister city or the neighbor city, I should say.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah. It's like Temecula. Temecula only got a Ged.

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Jess: Oh, gotcha!

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marcelo aguilar: Gotcha gotcha.

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marcelo aguilar: All right. So

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marcelo aguilar: yeah. So today, we're going to be talking about Joaquin Marietta. Who is a figure who

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marcelo aguilar: is kind of known as a folk hero as a as a man who who stood against injustice and fought for the little guy.

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marcelo aguilar: yeah. Yeah. So.

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Jess: Like, I said. Kind of a, you know, a little bit more positive of episode this time.

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marcelo aguilar: So what we're going to get started right now is we're going to talk a little bit about California during the late 18 hundreds, from 1849 to about 1853 is about when the gold rush had started. Please feel free to correct me on those dates.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah. So the gold rush had begun, and lots of people were coming to California to try to get rich. Here we got some.

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marcelo aguilar: you know, some advertisements advertising people to come to California. All the way from Nicaragua like.

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Mason Orlando: They're trying to recruit us, Marcelo. 200 jackasses.

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marcelo aguilar: Come on in. We're looking for 200 jackasses. Able hands. Yeah. So.

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Jess: I just saw that that is great.

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marcelo aguilar: Quick, and the the ad is for the quickest and the safest and the cheapest. All those things at once.

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Mason Orlando: That might have been on my tinder profile.

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Mason Orlando: That's awful!

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah. So

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marcelo aguilar: California. At this time, during the gold rush, was honestly it was a pretty, lawless and chaotic and deeply divided place. The gold rush had turned the region into a wild frontier, where greed, violence, and racism shaped everyday life

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marcelo aguilar: for a bit of context. Here are some quick markers to give you a sense of where Marietta's legend sprang out from.

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marcelo aguilar: So the gold rush and all the economic chaos ensued afterwards. So the discovery of gold at Sutter's Mill in 1848 sparked an influx of hundreds of thousands of miners from around the world.

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marcelo aguilar: By 1850 California became a Us. State. But law enforcement was practically nonexistent in many mining towns

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marcelo aguilar: mining was brutal and physically demanding, as we've talked about in our previous episodes involving miners. This seems to be a recurring thing with us.

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marcelo aguilar: Pro miners over here, I guess.

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Mason Orlando: Absolutely.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah, and the mining often yielded little gold, despite long days of backbreaking work and claims were often stolen, also referred to as claim jumping or taking over another miner's land by force was pretty common, and wealth disparity was extreme. Very few people became rich, and most of them lost everything.

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marcelo aguilar: At this time there were some things going on. As usual. America being America was. There was some racist stuff happening.

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marcelo aguilar: There was discrimination against Mexican miners and also foreign miners. Before 1848,

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marcelo aguilar: California had been part of Mexico, and many Mexico.

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Mason Orlando: Yeah.

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marcelo aguilar: Right? Right? There's also that just you know, California's new. It's it's a. It's a new shoe that America just got.

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marcelo aguilar: And so before 1848, when Mexico, or when California had been a part of Mexico, many of the Mexican miners had already been there. They'd already been living on this land

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marcelo aguilar: and already mining, and this is before the Us. Takeover. And then, once the Us. Took over California Mexican landowners then lost property.

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marcelo aguilar: and Mexican miners were increasingly targeted by the Government

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marcelo aguilar: Mexican. Many Mexican miners were harassed, lynched, or driven out of mining areas by American settlers who saw them as competition.

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Mason Orlando: So.

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marcelo aguilar: You know.

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Mason Orlando: Story, huh?

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marcelo aguilar: That that old, that old American story.

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marcelo aguilar: and as far as the lawlessness and the violence Vigilante justice ruled in these mining towns without an organized police force. Many miners took matters into their own hands. Lynch mobs and people's courts, regularly executed, suspected criminals without trials. Banditry was widespread, and Mexican outlaws were often blamed for crimes. Whether or not they were involved. They were just the usual scapegoat.

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marcelo aguilar: One of the things that came out of this story is the California Rangers, which were a Government backed militia, and was formed in 1853, specifically to hunt down outlaws like Marietta himself.

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marcelo aguilar: As I said there was a lot of anti-mexican and anti-foreign which usually

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marcelo aguilar: meant anti-chinese sentiment. Mexican and Chinese miners were violently removed from gold, rich areas often forced into menial labor, or just outright expelled from their claims. So like, I said it was.

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marcelo aguilar: it was a tough time, yeah, you know, like, it was very cutthroat. It was very competitive. There was a lot of

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marcelo aguilar: things moving things, changing lots of wealth on the line.

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Mason Orlando: It kind of reminds me, in one of our previous episodes,

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Mason Orlando: How that often Chinese miners were relegated to

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Mason Orlando: claims that had already been used and abandoned because they weren't really able to.

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marcelo aguilar: You get the.

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Mason Orlando: Allowed to, you know, get proper claims, or keep their proper claims. As you kind of alluded to.

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marcelo aguilar: Right?

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah. So I mean at this time, like wealth and power, it belonged to the people that were willing to take it by any means, and the law, when it was involved, usually favored white settlers. So there was a definite like imbalance of

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marcelo aguilar: of Who got to? Who got to pick. What? Who got the best mines or land stuff like that?

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marcelo aguilar: In this chaotic and gold hungry California of the mid 18 hundreds there was one name that echoed through saloons, campfires, and backroom whispers.

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marcelo aguilar: Joaquin Marietta.

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marcelo aguilar: Some called him the Robin Hood of El Dorado, others a bandit king.

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marcelo aguilar: His story is one of tragedy, vengeance, and rebellion. But more than that.

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marcelo aguilar: it's a story about how legends are born and how his managed to endure.

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marcelo aguilar: So Murrietta's name sparked fire debates in his time

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marcelo aguilar: for Mexican communities he was a hero and a man who fought back against the injustices that came with the American conquest of California

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marcelo aguilar: to settlers and lawmen. He was a dangerous outlaw who disrupted their version of progress.

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marcelo aguilar: and today his story still raises a bit of a question about whether Murrietta was a symbol for justice, or just a ruthless outlaw.

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marcelo aguilar: which I mean depending on who you, where you saw back then at this time, like, if you ask the people who were the miners? They looked up to him and in the newspapers he was. Yeah. He was talked about like like I said they were the scapegoats, the the Mexican bandits.

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Mason Orlando: Huh!

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Jess: This sounds like a very familiar story.

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Mason Orlando: Not sure what you're talking about.

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marcelo aguilar: Hey, Jess, we're gonna

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marcelo aguilar: just a little preview. Later on. We're gonna learn that he actually his story influenced some pretty big characters in our like modern stories.

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Jess: But yeah.

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marcelo aguilar: We'll we'll we'll touch on that a little bit later.

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marcelo aguilar: But yeah, so before we get into his life, we're going to talk a little bit more about the impact of his story. Back in the 18 fifties, stories about Marietta weren't just tales of adventure.

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marcelo aguilar: This is after he was already active.

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marcelo aguilar: and people would just tell these these stories about his, about his, the things that he was doing, and

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marcelo aguilar: they were. These were used as almost like rallying cries for the Mexican miners who and workers who faced the brutal racism

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marcelo aguilar: and the unfair conditions. They saw him as a symbol of resistance.

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marcelo aguilar: Meanwhile newspapers painted him as a villain, choking fear among settlers, usually the white settlers. This was the world that Joaquin Marietta inhabited powder keg of gold greed, and self-reliance.

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marcelo aguilar: To understand Marietta, we do need to understand the world that shaped them. As I mentioned, the California gold rush wasn't just a scramble for wealth. It was a collision of worlds. Thousands of settlers poured into the region, clashing with the Mexican and native communities who had lived there for generations, and laws like the foreign miners tax made it nearly impossible for non-miners to prosper.

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marcelo aguilar: So, while vigilant Excuse me, while vigilant injustice often targeted those who dared to resist these laws.

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marcelo aguilar: The foreign miners tax law was a piece of legislation that was passed in California in 1850,

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marcelo aguilar: and it targeted non-american miners, particularly Mexicans and Chinese, who were working in the gold fields, and the law required all foreign miners to pay a monthly fee of $20, which was a significant amount of money at the time and to continue working their claims. So they basically had to pay rent.

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marcelo aguilar: This was essentially a way to push non-american miners out of the gold rush economy while allowing white settlers to dominate the mining operations.

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marcelo aguilar: So

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marcelo aguilar: so, yeah,

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Mason Orlando: I mean. I

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Mason Orlando: you know I kind of did have an understanding about that. It's just, you know, never great to hear.

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marcelo aguilar: But it's like, Oh, I thought this, this seems really unfair and simple. It's like there must be something else to it. It's like, oh, no, that's just straight up what it was. It was just

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marcelo aguilar: yeah.

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marcelo aguilar: Know what it is, what it is.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah. So the law was widely seen as discriminatory, and it led to violent confrontations.

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marcelo aguilar: extortion and systemic harassment of Mexican and Chinese minors, and many were forced to abandon their claims, and some, like Joaquin, according to legend.

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marcelo aguilar: were personally affected by this injustice, fueling his transformation into an outlaw and folk hero.

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marcelo aguilar: Now let's dig into how he became the legend that we know of today. Well, that we're going to learn about today.

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Mason Orlando: I think I heard this one. He was he saw, like an opera with his parents, and like they were gunned down in the streets of Gotham.

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marcelo aguilar: Batman.

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marcelo aguilar: Is that where we're going, Batman?

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Jess: Soon.

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marcelo aguilar: That's the that's the mask of Zorro. Batman saw the mask of Zoro, and then he got gunned down.

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marcelo aguilar: But there is a connection there, don't worry. We're getting.

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Mason Orlando: Okay. Okay.

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marcelo aguilar: So yeah. So most biographical sources hold that Murrietta was born in Elmosillo, in the northwestern state of Sonora, Mexico.

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marcelo aguilar: historian, Frank Forrest, Lata wrote Joaquin Marietta and his horse gangs, which here I have a

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marcelo aguilar: photo of the book.

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marcelo aguilar: Oh, excuse me, here are some of the photos that we have of some of the miners. So these were Chinese and native and Mexican miners.

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marcelo aguilar: So these are the folks that were there doing the doing the work, some of them before the again before the before California became part of the Us.

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marcelo aguilar: Already had land there. But yeah.

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marcelo aguilar: Joaquin Marietta.

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marcelo aguilar: Here we have a photo of the book that was written about him, and then one of I tried to find some more photographs, but this is the only one I could find, like an actual photograph of him. All the rest were, you know, artistic depictions of him.

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marcelo aguilar: But yeah, it's interesting to see the 2 images side by side, because it's like, you see, the one on the right where clearly he was younger. And like, you know. Maybe he was just kind of starting out in life and on the left you see him?

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marcelo aguilar: Well, I mean, they definitely.

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Jess: You know, like it. It has to be purposeful that they made him look, that, you know they make him look dangerous. Yeah.

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marcelo aguilar: I mean he looks cool, to be honest, I think he looks kinda cool.

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Mason Orlando: I I mean, maybe like no, it it definitely looks like an album cover for like a site.

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marcelo aguilar: Right.

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Mason Orlando: also like it just reminds me, I'm like, you know, maybe there was a pandemic in his time, and that was just kind of his quarantine. Get up.

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marcelo aguilar: His hair. Yeah.

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marcelo aguilar: you go back to the office job and you know what? You gotta trim up the sides.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah, you gotta clean it up a little bit.

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Mason Orlando: But yeah, so that that book cover is amazing. I think more band should be called so and so, and his horse gangs.

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marcelo aguilar: Just just about what's that's fine.

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Mason Orlando: It's a horse gig. You'll.

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marcelo aguilar: I don't know. You'll learn. You'll learn in this.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah. So so this book was written, and there's not

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marcelo aguilar: what's funny is there's not a lot of books that are written about him. In order to research this topic, I actually had to go to the library, and the only copies. They had 2 copies of books written about him, but they're so rare that they couldn't check them out. They just had only read them in the building. So I was like, Oh, okay, so

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marcelo aguilar: this is cool, like, I felt like I was, you know, actually doing research like a real

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marcelo aguilar: But yeah, so

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marcelo aguilar: he was born. So, according to these books and the investigations that were done on the history of the Murrietta family, he was born in Sonora, California. Excuse me in Sonora, California, in Sonora, Mexico, formerly part of California and Texas. He said that

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marcelo aguilar: The author, Frank Loris Lata said that Marietta was from the Pueblo de Marietta, where he was born around 1829, and, like thousands of others, he came to California chasing the dream of gold.

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marcelo aguilar: But California wasn't the land of opportunity he had hoped for the Mexicans. Yep.

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marcelo aguilar: we all come here thinking that but

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marcelo aguilar: Mexicans were driven from the claims beaten and even lynched by the American settlers who believed gold was their exclusive right.

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marcelo aguilar: One of the stories tells of how Murrietta's personal tragedy lit the fuse of his rebellion. According to legend, his wife was attacked, his brother murdered, and Joaquin himself beaten and robbed. Whether these events happened exactly as told is uncertain. But what's clear is that something? A spark pushed Marietta onto a different path.

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marcelo aguilar: So from there the tales of Marietta

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marcelo aguilar: some after after the murder of his

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marcelo aguilar: brother and wife, and the theft of his claim, and all of his money. Some say that he formed a band of outlaws called the 5 Joaquins.

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marcelo aguilar: That's really cool. So the 5 Joaquins see here.

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marcelo aguilar: think yeah, here we go. So

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marcelo aguilar: So a group of men who shared his cause, and also the same 1st names. Yes, they were all named Joaquin. I have a full list of all of them.

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Mason Orlando: Okay.

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Jess: That is pretty.

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marcelo aguilar: Amazing.

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marcelo aguilar: So

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marcelo aguilar: their experts were the stuff of legend, ambushing stagecoaches, robbing wealthy settlers, and evading capture. Time and time again the 5 Joaquins were a group of outlaws, allegedly led by Joaquin Marietta, and operating throughout California during the 18 fifties. According to historical accounts, this group was responsible for numerous robberies, horse thefts, and attacks on settlers, particularly those who had wronged Mexican miners and communities.

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marcelo aguilar: Their notoriety grew so much that the California Government then formed the California, the California Rangers to track them down.

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Mason Orlando: Hi.

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marcelo aguilar: So they yeah. So after this, this injustice that happened to Marietta he lit out with a bunch of other Joaquins

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marcelo aguilar: and then started. Yeah, just robbing rich people and

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marcelo aguilar: helping in some cases helping out people. You know, communities of Mexican miners who were like screwed over. And then they would go attack the people who screwed them over and rob them, and then, I imagine, in some cases gave them money back. But you know, I

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Mason Orlando: I mean, this kind of makes sense to me, because you know that

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Mason Orlando: Sicilian side of my family, like on my grandfather's side, there's like

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Mason Orlando: 20 people, and they share like 3 names between 20, you know. So it's because, yeah, a lot of people like.

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Mason Orlando: I don't know. It's if if it's like a Catholic thing. But at least

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Mason Orlando: what they did in Sicily is you name your

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Mason Orlando: your son after your father, and so, you know, it'd be like Mike.

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Mason Orlando: It'd be like Mariano, Fred Dinardo, Mariano, Fred Dinardo, or you know.

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marcelo aguilar: See, I'm the 3rd Marcello in a row.

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Mason Orlando: I think. Oh, yeah. So you're Marcelo the 3.rd

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marcelo aguilar: I believe. So that's yeah.

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Mason Orlando: Well, it ends with me. I always click Mason Orlando, senior.

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marcelo aguilar: Just. I mean.

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marcelo aguilar: you should just throw. I think you used to throw a doctor in there, did you?

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Mason Orlando: I throw doctor in there.

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Jess: As far as I know, I'm the only Jess, so I'm sorry I can't.

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Jess: One of a kind.

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Jess: That part of the conversation.

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marcelo aguilar: You're an original.

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Jess: When I that's important, loving this story so much so far like this, is making me happy.

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marcelo aguilar: That's great. Okay?

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marcelo aguilar: So we're quickly. We're gonna we'll get back to the 5 Joaquins. I will name them all off because I do have like, I said, I do have all of their names here in alphabetical order. But yeah, so we'll talk about the California Rangers, and then we'll touch back with the outlaws. So

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marcelo aguilar: yeah. So the California Rangers were created by the California Legislature in 1853, and as a direct response to the banditry that was happening in California at the time. So again, like they didn't have a strong police force or an organized police force kind of ready everywhere. So these guys were set as like the special.

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marcelo aguilar: the special response team to all the bandits.

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Mason Orlando: Strangers.

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marcelo aguilar: Yes, very similar.

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marcelo aguilar: So the California Rangers were led by Captain Harry Love.

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marcelo aguilar: a former Texas Ranger and military scout, with a reputation for being very ruthless and efficient.

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marcelo aguilar: and their singular mission was capture. Joaquin, Marietta.

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marcelo aguilar: The Government then offered a $5,000 bounty for Marietta, dead or alive, and.

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Mason Orlando: Movie.

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Jess: It's just hilarious that they hired somebody, apparently that ruthless with the last name. Love, you know it's yes.

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marcelo aguilar: It's how you it's.

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Jess: Shared.

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marcelo aguilar: It's how you yeah.

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Jess: Or at a time when there was.

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marcelo aguilar: I know in a time when there was no way to research anybody you're like. Oh, this guy's name is love. He's probably cool.

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marcelo aguilar: By then this the trap has been sprung.

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Jess: It's like, Hello.

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marcelo aguilar: In their handcuffs.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah. So the Rangers were given broad authority to pursue and eliminate all the criminal elements in California, particularly targeting the Mexican outlaws. So they had an extra spot. They had a top top highlighted spot on their list.

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marcelo aguilar: And so Marietta's gang, who, as we mentioned, was referred to as the 5 Joaquins was accused of crimes ranging from horse theft to murder.

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marcelo aguilar: So the 5 Joaquins included

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marcelo aguilar: Joaquin Murrietta, the supposed leader, and the star of our story. A former miner turned outlaw who sought vengeance against the American settlers who had wronged him and his people.

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marcelo aguilar: Joaquin

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marcelo aguilar: Ocho Morena. Little is known about him, but he was believed to be a close associate of Marietta Joaquin Valenzuela, another key figure in the group, rumored to be a skilled writer and a gunman.

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marcelo aguilar: Joaquin. Some sources mention him as part of the gang, though details about his role are scarce. And then, finally, Joaquin Carrillo possibly related to prominent California families, his exact involvement remains clear. So California, do you guys know what Californios are or who they were?

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Mason Orlando: I I believe they were the

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Mason Orlando: I believe they were the natives of California from Hispanic.

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Mason Orlando: were they? They were like the the people in California before America took it over, and kind of said.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah, they were like the wealthy. They were like the wealthy families that ran that ran like California. And so the California. So so this other guy, this Joaquin Carrillo. He was basically like the rich son of, like a wealthy family who decided to become an outlaw.

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Mason Orlando: Okay. So I know I made a joke about the batman.

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Jess: Like I'm bored with my current life. Let's try. Let's try being a criminal.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah. So this dude was like, my name is Joaquin. So is this guy over here? I'm gonna go join his gang. And then, like, yeah, even though he came from like a wealthy family, or or perhaps perhaps a family. Yeah, maybe maybe his family lost all their money or something during the takeover. So that was also something that happened which that's a story we'll cover another time about how how the Californias got. Yeah, how that went down. It's interesting.

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Mason Orlando: To be honest, I I kind of want to do a I kind of want to look into these California Rangers, so I feel like that could be an episode, too.

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marcelo aguilar: There's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot going on here in in response to this guy. Yeah. So the legend of the 5, the 5 Joaquins is largely largely derived from John Rollin

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marcelo aguilar: Ridge's 1854 novel, The Life and Adventures of Joaquin Marietta, which blurred fact and fiction and some historians doubt that such a defined group existed, and argue the name of the 5 Joaquins, which may have been a way for law enforcement to label a larger network of Mexican resistance fighters and outlaws. Regardless of their historical accuracy, the 5 Joaquins became central figures in California folklore, representing a defiance against racial oppression during the gold Rush era. So you know

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marcelo aguilar: they were the. They were the outlaw avengers.

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Mason Orlando: I I just I just can't stop thinking about how the 5 Joaquin sounds like.

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Mason Orlando: Abandon me.

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Jess: It sounds. It sounds like it needs to be the the next rock band. In my opinion.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah, right, like, just.

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Mason Orlando: Really does, or it's.

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marcelo aguilar: All right.

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Mason Orlando: Or it's like a group that's paid to like talk to middle schoolers about not smoking cigarettes.

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marcelo aguilar: Guys, it's the 5 Joaquins are here. Oh, man.

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Mason Orlando: Who.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah. So we're gonna now, we're just gonna.

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Jess: I'm glad that they didn't have anybody like that when we were growing up, when they still had the dare program. You remember that.

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marcelo aguilar: I had drugs against yo-yos or no, yo-yo's against drugs, that's what it was. Yo-yo's against.

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Mason Orlando: It's the debate.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah, like or garbage.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah, sorry, George, throw away these stupid yo-yos, get some drugs. Yeah.

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marcelo aguilar: So we're going to go over now, just a couple of stories that were recounted in the books that were written about these guys. So one popular tale describes Marietta robbing a wealthy landowner notorious for exploiting Mexican workers. The landowner was said to be cruel, withholding wages and driving workers off their land. Marietta and his gang stuck, struck during a lavish party, taking the landowner's gold and leaving him tied up with a note. This is Justice.

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Jess: Yes, I love it.

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Mason Orlando: How is he gonna read the note? If he's tied up, though.

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marcelo aguilar: It's not for him. No.

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marcelo aguilar: Okay.

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marcelo aguilar: This happened during like a big fancy party, so they just like rolled into a party.

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marcelo aguilar: robbed him, and then left him tied up. And then, like, probably yeah, it's oh, man! Another story recounts how he how Joaquin outsmarted a posse that was sent to capture him. The posse cornered his gang in a canyon, but Marietta knew the land better than anyone, and as the story goes, he led his men through a hidden path disappearing into the hills while the posse scrambled in confusion.

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marcelo aguilar: So yeah, it's this, this guy, this guy did. I mean, these stories are just very fun, man. It's just like very cool, like.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah. And so, yeah, like the stories like, whether they're fact or friction. Excuse me. The stories at the time, whether they were fact or fiction spread like wildfire amongst the people who heard them. So newspapers sensationalized his exploits, and the Mexican communities passed his name down in ballads and poems

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marcelo aguilar: like Robin Hood in England, or Pancho Villa in Mexico, Joaquin Marietta became a symbol of defiance against injustice, and his story was mortalizing corridos. The traditional Mexican ballads that celebrated his bravery and lamented his fate.

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marcelo aguilar: These songs weren't just entertainment, they were a way for communities to preserve their history and voice their struggles. So, whereas the American Government was, you know, putting out newspapers saying, this guy's a whatever. This guy's a murderer, a thief. The people who

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marcelo aguilar: benefited from his exploits saying stories about him, and that's how they, you know, kept his story going to other people.

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marcelo aguilar: Which is pretty cool

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Mason Orlando: They don't need a hero. They need a symbol.

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marcelo aguilar: Exactly, and it's in a catchy sauce.

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marcelo aguilar: And then finally came John Roland Ridge is Ridge's book. He is a Cherokee author who published a novel about Marietta in 1854. So Ridge's book, The Life and Adventures of Joaquin Marietta portrayed him as a tragic hero, a man forced into crime by a cruel system.

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marcelo aguilar: Ridge, a Cherokee man who understood the pain of displacement, saw in Marietta a kindred spirit. His novel cemented Marietta's place as a folk hero, even as it blurred the lines between truth and myth. And so this book was written in 1854.

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marcelo aguilar: That means that he probably hung out with him.

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Mason Orlando: Right.

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marcelo aguilar: Cause like, how else are you gonna write a story about a guy like back? Then I would imagine right.

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Mason Orlando: Well, he he could have just sat there was like tell him like there was like 5 of me dude and

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marcelo aguilar: Make it sound real good.

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marcelo aguilar: Okay, so as much fun as all that was, of course.

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marcelo aguilar: you know, an outlaw can only outrun the law for so long, and in 1853

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marcelo aguilar: Joaquin Murrietta's legend had grown too big to ignore. As you mentioned, the California Government had offered a $5,000 bounty for his capture, dead or alive.

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marcelo aguilar: and they had formed the California Rangers to hunt him down.

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marcelo aguilar: and on July 25, th in 1853,

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marcelo aguilar: the battle at the arroyo cantua happened. The

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marcelo aguilar: when Marietta and his his gang of outlaws were in were in the creek. The a group of rangers had approached them, and so

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marcelo aguilar: they came around to them to try to ambush them, and acting on a tip, Captain Harry Love and his California. Harry Love and his California Rangers tracked Marietta's group to a small encampment near the Arroyo Cantua, a remote ravine on the western slopes of Diablo range. The rangers spotted a group of men resting in the shade on the cottonwood trees.

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marcelo aguilar: There are horses grazing near my. You got a cottonwood trees, Mason.

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Mason Orlando: No, just they're resting.

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Mason Orlando: Crazing like it sounds like a peaceful nice day.

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Mason Orlando: Sounds amazing. Now you're gonna tell me I had some wine and cheese and a nice blanket.

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marcelo aguilar: Reading all the thank you. Letters from all the townspeople that they helped, you know, just like chilling.

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Jess: Yeah, right.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah. So

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marcelo aguilar: yeah. So while the while the men were resting in the shade of the cottonwood trees, their horses were grazing nearby. Captain love wanting the element of surprise, ordered his men to encircle the camp before launching their attack.

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marcelo aguilar: As the Rangers moved in, one of Marietta's men spotted the approaching riders, and shouted a warning.

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marcelo aguilar: In an instant the camp erupted into chaos. Murrietta and his men scrambled for their weapons, some trying to mount their horses.

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marcelo aguilar: The rangers opened fire, and bullets tore through the camp, kicking up dirt and splintering branches.

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marcelo aguilar: 3 fingered Jack Manuel Garcia, one of Marietta's most notorious enforcers, refused to surrender, and charged at the Rangers. Guns blazing. He was shot multiple times before finally falling dead.

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marcelo aguilar: Murrietta's alleged death accounts vary on what happened next.

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marcelo aguilar: Some say. Marietta attempted to escape, riding hard through the ravine, but a ranger took aim and shot him from his horse.

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marcelo aguilar: Others claim he fought until the end, shooting back at the Rangers before being gunned down.

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marcelo aguilar: Still, some suggest Marietta wasn't even present, and that the Rangers killed the wrong man.

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Mason Orlando: Just another, just one of the other 4 Joaquins.

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Jess: Well, you know.

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marcelo aguilar: This is Joaquin. No, that's Joaquin.

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marcelo aguilar: That was part of the strategy. That's why you had so many of them so.

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Mason Orlando: Okay.

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marcelo aguilar: Real quick! Here.

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Jess: Oh, that's so cool!

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marcelo aguilar: These gentlemen.

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Jess: Picture on the left, not the one on the right.

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marcelo aguilar: The gentlemen on the left are the the 1st

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marcelo aguilar: California Rangers. So these are the guys that we're going after Marietta.

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marcelo aguilar: The one.

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Jess: Never mind, I resent my comment.

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Mason Orlando: Okay, look, I mean, they're very.

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Mason Orlando: very. Oscar. Yeah, dainty. They're they're fancy boys for sure. Like, I'm not.

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marcelo aguilar: Waves.

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Mason Orlando: Ohio.

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Jess: Are those plaid pants.

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marcelo aguilar: Yes, he's wearing plaid pants, and he's got wavy hair.

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Jess: Oh!

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Mason Orlando: Getting sassy, though killing me.

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marcelo aguilar: And just just so, you guys know, the the image on the right is not an actual hanging. It is from the film Marietta, which was a movie about the Joaquin Marietta. Yeah. So that's a that's an act. So there's no actual hanging stuff going on there.

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marcelo aguilar: but yeah. So in the aftermath of of this shootout

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marcelo aguilar: the rangers searched the bodies and decapitated, decapitated one man that they believed to be Joaquin Marietta. They also severed the hand of 3 Figure Jack to prove their kills. Now, just a quick little warning. There will be something on the next image that might be a little surprising. So

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marcelo aguilar: yeah.

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Mason Orlando: Cool.

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Jess: What?

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Mason Orlando: Shit. I have heard of this guy.

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Mason Orlando: Oh, okay, I saw this.

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Mason Orlando: I know I saw this creepy guy like, be like, this is what I have. It's like Ripley's. Believe it or not. Type of deal. But yeah.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah. So that image there is supposedly the

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marcelo aguilar: the severed head of Joaquin Murrietta.

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marcelo aguilar: I haven't seen that many severed heads in a jar, but I don't know if that's actually his head.

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Jess: I mean it can't be.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah, so, okay.

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Mason Orlando: I mean.

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Jess: It just it doesn't look real.

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marcelo aguilar: So.

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Mason Orlando: I'm tired of Futurama fucking, getting into my podcast.

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Jess: Yeah.

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marcelo aguilar: Damn leaked.

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marcelo aguilar: That's happening again. It's happening again.

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marcelo aguilar: I blinked the professor.

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marcelo aguilar: Okay, so.

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Mason Orlando: Who.

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marcelo aguilar: As you can see, the the severed head was placed in a jar of brandy, and the 3 fingered jack was similarly preserved in a jar of brandy.

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marcelo aguilar: The rangers paraded these grizzly trophies across California, charging a dollar per viewing in saloons and public halls.

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Mason Orlando: I mean I I.

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Jess: How much dollar was a lot back. Then see?

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marcelo aguilar: You know what?

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marcelo aguilar: Let's I'm sure there's a currency calculator where, if you put in like 1850.

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Jess: Like $1, he said, Yeah.

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Jess: I've I've found something like that online before.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah, it's like a cur. I think it's called like a currency.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah, you can.

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Mason Orlando: You could just Google it. I'm not sure how accurate it is. But yeah, you could look that up.

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Mason Orlando: Yeah, I I hate to say it, but like back then I shit even.

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marcelo aguilar: You to pay that down. Probably.

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Mason Orlando: Would have paid it down.

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marcelo aguilar: I'd have seen that shit I would have paid for that shit.

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Mason Orlando: Just drink if you're like, be like, Yeah, that's that's pretty fucked up.

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marcelo aguilar: Pretty cool guy sucks that he got killed and got his head put jar.

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Mason Orlando: Yeah. She's dope.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah, but yeah, so even, okay, so yeah, this, this was like, this was a whole thing.

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marcelo aguilar: this is a whole like show to go around both to. I think I think mostly just to like send a message to, you know. Like, if you if you fight the government for this long. We're going to put your head in a jar and charge a dollar for it. Which is, you know.

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marcelo aguilar: America? Yeah. America.

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Jess: Orca.

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Mason Orlando: Said that was it, Randy? Huh?

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah, this is brandy.

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marcelo aguilar: But despite the fact that there was this

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marcelo aguilar: human head being toured around California in a jar, and you know being said, Hey, this is Joaquin Marietta. Not everybody believed it not. Everyone thought he had actually been killed. Many questioned whether the head was really Marietta's. Some said it was a cruel hoax designed to claim the bounty, others believe Marietta had escaped slipping back into Mexico to live out his days in peace.

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marcelo aguilar: and there were those who swore that they saw him long after his supposed death.

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marcelo aguilar: So the ambiguity of his fate only fueled his legend. In the years that followed Marietta became a symbol of resistance against oppression.

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marcelo aguilar: Historia inspired musical ballads, and even influenced the creation of Zorro.

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Mason Orlando: No no shit.

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marcelo aguilar: Joaquiver, you had a.

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Jess: Yay!

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marcelo aguilar: Joaquin. Marietta never wore a mask or carved his initials into walls, but his story laid the foundation for Zoro's character. Both figures, Billy, the line between outlaw and hero, and fighting against injustice in a world that refuses to protect the powerless

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marcelo aguilar: and so in this little image here I put together some because, Mason, you made the joke earlier about, you know. Oh, Bruce Wayne, watching a movie. The movie that he watched canonically, is the the mask of Zora, or the mark of Zora.

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Mason Orlando: Huh! So.

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marcelo aguilar: So, so, yeah, there was a connection there.

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Jess: Wow ow.

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Mason Orlando: Did you know that actor in the middle? I forget his name, but he actually owned like

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Mason Orlando: a ton of property like right before you get to like

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Mason Orlando: I wanna say, Del mar area like that whole like lagoony part when you're driving on the the 5 north from San Diego.

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marcelo aguilar: Really.

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Mason Orlando: Have a big big ranch out there. But yeah, that was all owned by that actor at 1 point.

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Mason Orlando: That's cool. I didn't know that.

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Mason Orlando: according to my grandfather so definitely let let me know if that's not the case, because it could be incorrect.

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marcelo aguilar: Let Mason know that his grandfather is wrong in the comments.

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Mason Orlando: Yeah.

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Mason Orlando: Told a story here and there. But go on. I'm sorry, Marcel.

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marcelo aguilar: So, as I mentioned, there are several corridos or Mexican ballads about about Joaquin, Marietta and I just I was curious. So I looked up a few of them.

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marcelo aguilar: Most of these were passed down through oral tradition. So these songs transfer Marietta into a Robin Hood like Folk Hero. So one of them was

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marcelo aguilar: El Corrido de Joaquin Marietta, one of the earliest known corridos about Marietta. It narrates his tragedy and quest for vengeance, describing how his family was murdered by Anglo settlers, and how he became an outlaw. Common lyrics include themes of justice, honor, and betrayal, portraying Marietta as a man forced into crime by circumstance. Another song is Joaquin Marietta el patron de los Bandoleros.

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marcelo aguilar: This ballad glorifies Murrietta as a fearless leader of outlaws, who outwitted American authorities. It emphasizes his cunning and skill as a writer and a fighter and highlights, how he became a symbol of resistance for Mexican workers and miners, and finally, Marietta Vive.

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marcelo aguilar: This is a more modern annotation that plays on the mystery of his supposed death.

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marcelo aguilar: So it suggests that Marietta escaped and continue in his fight elsewhere, and it reinforces the ledge. The legend never dies theme in common in Mexican ballads. But

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marcelo aguilar: you know, at the end of the story was Joaquin a hero or a villain.

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marcelo aguilar: But maybe that's the wrong question, I think. What's more important is the fact that his story endures, and that Marietta represents represents a fight for dignity and justice in the face of overwhelming odds.

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marcelo aguilar: And today Murrietta's legacy does live on in stories written about him, remaining as a symbol of resilience and pride, and a reminder that the struggle for dignity is as old as history itself.

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marcelo aguilar: His story resonates in a world where the fight against racism and equality continues, and proving that legends like Marietta's are never truly confined to the past.

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Mason Orlando: Liked it.

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Jess: So I love that so much.

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Mason Orlando: So I mean.

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Jess: I have to go back to the the head in the jar thing.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Jess: Sorry, but.

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marcelo aguilar: We're good.

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Jess: I was looking deeper at that picture I'm like, are we sure that that's not just a wax figure.

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marcelo aguilar: That's what I'm saying like this is I. This picture was the only I could find. But this is like from I think it was from the Sf. Chronicle. So there was like something back in the day where they were doing it. They were doing a you know. Oh, showing the head of Marietta. So I think this guy is just has like a fake, weird head. So I don't think this guy's around back in the yeah.

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Jess: It looks like it looks like something that should be in Madame Tussaud's.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah.

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Mason Orlando: It's it's it's because of the hair. Honestly.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah.

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Mason Orlando: The hair will make it look like it's got a wig.

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Jess: It's just like there's looks like a G.

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Jess: No, like the.

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Mason Orlando: Honestly, let's put Gene Simmons head.

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Jess: I don't know.

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Mason Orlando: State. I'm not.

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Jess: I'm just saying I mean I you know it. May it may be it could be because of whatever the liquid is in the jar that makes it

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Jess: brandy taxi.

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Jess: But he's just really, really drunk.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah. So let's see, I think that was, yeah, that was it. Yeah. So that's the story of Joaquin Marietta.

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Mason Orlando: Well, I damn I like that. I did not know that. That was the.

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Jess: That was great.

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Mason Orlando: Thorough so was so was Zoro. The influence for Batman.

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marcelo aguilar: In the story.

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marcelo aguilar: It's either batman or sorry. It's either Zoro or it is now it's the Grey ghost which is like a character that they created in the batman stories later on. So not to get too technical about it. But yeah.

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Mason Orlando: I I gotcha I

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marcelo aguilar: But yeah, in in like the movies. And I think in Batman, the animated series, it was like the mask of Zoro, the mark of Zoro that that was like he saw that. Yeah. So

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marcelo aguilar: you're welcome, Batman.

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Mason Orlando: Yeah, no, I.

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Jess: Yeah.

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marcelo aguilar: Take that!

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Mason Orlando: I? Yeah, I haven't watched the Zorro from like the nineties with Antonio banderas.

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marcelo aguilar: Oh, yeah, don't worry about it. It's fine.

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Mason Orlando: Oh, no! I I.

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marcelo aguilar: If you're gonna watch anything with Antonio banderas, just watch desperado like that's that's about all you need.

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Jess: Got to give some love to Catherine Zeta Jones, though.

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marcelo aguilar: For sure. But yeah, what's her name?

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marcelo aguilar: My God! Selma Hayek, sorry that is

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marcelo aguilar: tip top tier. Mexican woman forever.

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Jess: Yeah. Oh, yes, I am not. I am not going to dispute that.

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Mason Orlando: It's a ballots about.

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marcelo aguilar: About Salma Hayek.

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marcelo aguilar: yeah. So so, yeah. So this guy was around most likely, and did some cool shit and fought some people. And

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marcelo aguilar: these, just yeah, these, these California races.

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Mason Orlando: Yeah, we're gonna have to definitely go back to that

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Mason Orlando: that one on the left. There.

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marcelo aguilar: They look like they're just.

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Mason Orlando: Service. Yeah, they.

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marcelo aguilar: They look like they just finished making out is what they look like.

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Mason Orlando: No, thank you.

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Jess: You look okay. So the guy that's the guy that's sitting on the right with the vest. His buttons are real seriously about to pop off.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah, no, they look either drunk or really horny. Yeah, like they're on. They're barely keeping it together.

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Jess: Also on the right hand side, that rock formation.

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marcelo aguilar: -

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Mason Orlando: They're in front of. I believe that's over there right before you get the Apple Valley, and that's the one they always use in Star trek the 1st generation or

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Mason Orlando: the Og.

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Mason Orlando: Oh, whenever they.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah, yeah, whenever they have to go to planet side.

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Mason Orlando: I could be wrong. But yeah, I think so. But yeah, that's such an awesome book cover. I think I'm going to use that for the

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Mason Orlando: I'm either gonna use that one or the book cover for the

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marcelo aguilar: That one.

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Mason Orlando: Yeah, for the picture, for the episode.

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marcelo aguilar: I'm telling you when I went to the library, and like cause I read this one it didn't have that cover, but it had a different cover. But that one. And then the the life and Adventures, the one that was written by

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marcelo aguilar: Ridge. If I have a

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marcelo aguilar: copy, yeah, I don't have one of that one. But like the other one that was written in 1854, that one they had like a version of it in there that was so cool to like, just get to like touch. I was like, Oh, I don't think it was actually printed back then, but like. Still, it was a very, very, very old book.

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marcelo aguilar: So yeah, it was fun to. It was fun to poke around and read it.

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marcelo aguilar: And and for those, and for some of us like that's that's already us right. But it's like this other thing that kind of like adds to it. I thought it was really interesting. It was some I think it was like a fresh air where they were talking about like the science of of loneliness, or something like that in like modern America. But yeah, it was very.

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Mason Orlando: Wise.

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Mason Orlando: That's in America.

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Mason Orlando: all right. Well, I can go ahead and do the close off.

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Jess: Alright.

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Jess: Okay.

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Mason Orlando: All right. Well, thank you all so much for listening today.

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Mason Orlando: All right. Thank you all so much for listening today, Marcella. Thank you so much for that story.

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Mason Orlando: I'm sorry.

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Jess: Thank you for telling a story that actually helped put a smile on my face today.

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Mason Orlando: Yeah.

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marcelo aguilar: Given that the character ended up with his head in a jar. That's saying something, you know.

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marcelo aguilar: Yeah, absolutely.

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Mason Orlando: All right.

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Jess: Probably spend the rest of my life wondering about that.

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Mason Orlando: Well, we'll find that jar, and we'll get to.

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Jess: Find it. We need answers.

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Mason Orlando: But yeah, no, as always. Thank you so much for giving us a little bit of your time and listening to our show as always leave us a 5 star review. If you can go ahead and follow us wherever you get your podcasts or watch your videos. And as always, this is Mason Orlando. Keep climbing.

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Jess: And this is Jess signing off. We'll see you next time. Lovelies.

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marcelo aguilar: And from your what do you call me? Tantalizing?

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marcelo aguilar: Yes, tantalizing, tantalizing Marcello. Tantalize. Yes, till next time. Take a hike.

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Mason Orlando: Amen.

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Mason Orlando: Alright, I'm gonna end. I'm gonna end the recording now.

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Jess: Okay.