The Pound of Cure Weight Loss Podcast
Hosted by obesity specialist Matthew Weiner, MD and dietitian Zoe Schroeder, RD, The Pound of Cure Weight Loss Podcast provides a comprehensive approach to weight loss. We cover nutrition, the new GLP-1 medications, and Bariatric Surgery in depth and answer tons of questions from our audience every week. Check out our website for video versions of the podcast: www.poundofcureweightloss.com/podcast
The Pound of Cure Weight Loss Podcast
Bless the Pound of Cure?
In this heartfelt episode of the Pound of Cure Weight Loss podcast, Dr. Matthew Weiner and Zoë explore Raquel’s inspiring story of transformation. Raquel shares her experience undergoing gastric sleeve surgery, navigating emotional and spiritual healing, and embracing her cultural roots, including the meaningful gifting of an Ojo de Venado. Her journey exemplifies resilience, recovery, and the powerful connection between medicine and spirituality.
Gastric Sleeve Surgery: A Key to Recovery
Raquel’s path to healing began with her decision to pursue gastric sleeve surgery, a life-changing step to address obesity, chronic pain, and limited mobility. Weighing over 387 pounds and coping with trauma from the tragic loss of her husband and struggles with addiction, she found hope through Dr. Weiner’s guidance. The surgery not only enabled her to lose weight but also paved the way for essential double knee replacement surgeries, significantly improving her quality of life.
Ojo de Venado: A Spiritual Connection
A standout moment in this episode is the gifting of an Ojo de Venado by Raquel to Dr. Weiner. This sacred Yaqui symbol of protection and blessing was offered to Dr. Weiner on the day of her surgery as a gesture of gratitude and trust. For Dr. Weiner, wearing the Ojo de Venado became a source of grounding and strength during challenging times, embodying the interconnectedness of patient and caregiver.
Recovering from Trauma: Finding Strength Through Healing
Raquel’s life is a testament to overcoming adversity. After the loss of her husband, addiction, and the temporary loss of her children, she found recovery through a Native American program. Her determination to heal extended beyond physical transformation, as she regained custody of her children, pursued a meaningful career, and embraced her cultural identity. “Healing from trauma isn’t just about the events—it’s about finding strength and purpose in their aftermath,” she reflects.
Spirituality in Medicine: Honoring Cultural Practices
This episode highlights the profound role of spirituality in healing. Raquel shares how practices like sage cleansing and the Ojo de Venado provided comfort and focus during her journey. Dr. Weiner emphasizes the importance of recognizing and incorporating diverse cultural practices in healthcare, fostering a deeper bond between patient and caregiver.
Life After Gastric Sleeve Surgery: A New Chapter
Now nearly two years post-op, Raquel has lost over 150 pounds, achieved mobility through knee surgeries, and embraced a healthy lifestyle. Beyond her personal success, she dedicates her life to helping others as a domestic violence facilitator, embodying her philosophy: “We go through these things, we fight, we heal, and then we teach.”
Conclusion: Resilience and Renewal
Raquel’s story, shaped by gastric sleeve surgery, cultural traditions like the Ojo de Venado, and recovery from trauma, inspires hope for those on similar paths. This episode serves as a reminder of the strength found in resilience, community, and embracing holistic approaches to healing.
A big part of my healing journey and losing all this weight had to do with my ability to heal myself from trauma. We go through things in life and we need healing, we need recovery. Going through this surgery has really helped me.
Dr. Weiner:Okay, welcome back to the Pound of Cure Weight Loss Podcast we are here with Raquel.
Raquel:Welcome, raquel, hi. Thank you. How are you doing today? I'm doing well, awesome. I'm excited to be here. Yeah, we're so excited to have you here.
Dr. Weiner:I've been really looking forward to Raquel coming here for a while, like when we first started this podcast. You've actually been on our roster for a while. We just haven't been able to sync the timing up. I've always loved talking to her and I think first of all, before we tell the story of your bariatric surgery, I want to tell everybody just from my perspective about this thing I'm wearing. So if you're listening, you can't see, but talk to me, tell everybody what I have on.
Raquel:So I made Dr Weiner an ojo de venado, and it is a form of protection in our native culture, in the Yaqui culture, and we gift these to people. Some people purchase them, but I gifted this to Dr Weiner on the day of my surgery, which happened to be scheduled on Ash Wednesday, so it was the beginning of our Lent ceremonies during Guaresma that's how we refer to it, so it's the ceremony that we participate in in the Yaqui culture. So I thought it was very moving to give this to him as a form of protection and I asked him to wear it during my surgery.
Dr. Weiner:Yes.
Raquel:Oh, I don't know if I've heard that story. I know you had it, but that's just very, very so it was.
Dr. Weiner:I mean first of all, it was really. It was really a powerful moment. I would like I run. I remember that, like I do a lot of surgery and I talked to a lot of patients before surgery.
Dr. Weiner:I remember, like that, that moment very vividly.
Dr. Weiner:And I think there's something else like so you know, of course I was, I agreed like absolutely I'll wear this, this is fantastic. But she kind of told me about about how it's kind of protective and we were going through some things in our practice, in our business world, that were really, really challenging for us. You know, the year kind of when you had your surgery, that year was a very difficult year for me and this kind of came right at the beginning of this and I actually have worn this 50, 60 times since then. So I you know that you gave it to me, kind of thinking about the surgery, but it was something I needed at the time and I really wanted to thank you for that and let you know that it is, you know, it's well worn, uh, and in fact I think I went and I told you, I brought that home to my wife and she was like, oh my God, this is amazing. And then my wife wore it, which I guess is a little not. Is that not? Is that a little bit against the rules?
Raquel:Well, technically, if it's made for you, you wear it. And then I was moved to hear that she was interested in it and I actually made her one as well. She made my wife one.
Dr. Weiner:My wife has one as well, and so she wore that. So she only wore it for like a brief period of time. As soon as we found out, she was like, okay, I'm not wearing it anymore, but she does still have hers and she does wear it on occasion. And so, you know, I think having something like this kind of being in touch with your, some spiritual energy and I've been on a little bit of a spiritual journey as I kind of reached more midlife and kind of have some things go on in my life that are maybe not exactly the way I'd want them to be, and so I'm kind of always searching for answers and my place in the universe and everything like that. So why don't you share a little bit about just what are some basic things that all Native Americans, that we should know about Native Americans?
Raquel:I think it's just being open to the culture. I think that's one of the things that I I was very moved Like I had met with you a few times before my scheduled procedure on video and I was just kind of forcefully moved by creator to like give you this and I was so worried about is he going to be open to it? Like, what is he going to think? Is it? Is it going to be open to it? Like, what is he going to think? Is it? Is it going to be like bad juju or whatever? So I think one of the things is just being open to the different cultures and receiving on the blessings that come with ceremonies. Um, we all, um have a different way of reaching our higher power. What native american cultures, cultures, any kind of cultures, right, and we all it's for the same purpose. And so just being open to the different cultures and the different ceremonies and receiving whatever blessings you can at the moment and leaving what you can't.
Dr. Weiner:So higher power. So I mean, I think in in kind of you know, christianity and Judaism, there's this idea of God. You use the word creator. It seems to me like all kind of the same concept. But is there something unique about the higher power of the creator in Native American culture? How is that philosophically a little bit different? Maybe the term God that most of us are familiar?
Raquel:with I just picked up the term creator during my recovery. So my, my story is very unique. Right when I came to find you, I had just went through a significant loss of my late husband significant loss of my late husband. I had to find my recovery. Um, I am a recovering addict. Um, I've been sober for four years.
Dr. Weiner:Um and then I just found um creator.
Raquel:I just found what I connected to and that's and that's what we kind of go to. I, I, I have um some kind of I think I have some kind of what's the word? Like I don't like putting names and labels on things and so when we refer to different persons, whoever you refer it to is who you refer it to, right, and so creator, just the creator of Mother Earth, creator of the universe, the creator, and so that's how I just relate.
Dr. Weiner:That connection like really resonates, yeah yeah, just the idea that there's this higher power kind of governing things that is outside of your control. Right and uh, because it's outside of our control.
Dr. Weiner:We're kind of lucky and should be grateful for every moment we have, every blessing that comes to us, every good thing that has, and also understand that sometimes bad things happen to us as well, and maybe they aren't because you're a bad person or because you've done a bad thing, but just because that's the order of the universe at that moment. That the idea that it's any point in time your life is going to only be good and always be good going forward, is that's just a foolish thought. And so understanding that when it's good, it's good and when it's not, it's not, it's all part of this higher order, this higher powers. Am I? Am I on the right track with that?
Raquel:Yes, absolutely, and I think it's. It's also um, we need to know that even the things that are unfortunate that happen to us, there's learning opportunities that come at those things.
Dr. Weiner:So I'm into that. Yes, yes, I've experienced that, you know, quite directly lately. I think it's interesting that you had some concerns about giving me this Ojo, because you know, and I've talked to other surgeons about this too, and I think in general most of us agree that when you're meeting and I've been asked to pray with people and prayers that are not the same religion I practice and I think people are sometimes apprehensive about that I've always just said you want to pray, let's pray Whatever is going to bring you some comfort at this moment. Our job is to take care of your body, but it's also to take care of you spiritually and understand there's an amazing amount of trust you're putting in the surgeon. When you are going to sleep, you're basically saying I surrender my body and I will allow you to do whatever you like to it while I'm asleep and I'm trusting you to make those changes in order to make my life better, and that's just an incredible amount of trust to put in another person. And so, first of all, I'm always just amazed at that and I that if whatever I can do to kind of help someone feel comfortable, that that also helps their physical recovery too.
Dr. Weiner:So if you feel comfortable, you feel like, oh, I trust this person, I trust that things are going to go well, then you often do yeah. And if you're like, oh my god, every time I have surgery, it always goes bad, I always have complications. There's always goes bad, I always have complications. There's always issues. You're going through a change in your body, you're going to find something that's not going the way you want, and so it's really about where you put your energy, and I think, kind of you know, however you do it, you know you're giving a gift and asking them to wear it. You're asking them to pray with you. Whatever's going to bring you comfort.
Raquel:I think it's the surgeon's responsibility to to honor that. Yeah, yeah, and I and I was really grateful that you were open to allowing me to share that with you and share that moment, cause I felt like almost like I mentioned, like almost like forced, so I was like creator was like give it to him, give it to him. And it wasn't for for you to protect me or for me to feel protected. I think it had a lot to do with whatever was going on that I had no clue about, and so there's an even exchange that happens right, like when we do things and for whatever reason, we cross paths and we were able to meet and I gave blessings to you and you gave blessings to me you did so it was a healing opportunity.
Raquel:That's exactly what happened that is.
Dr. Weiner:You know, that's that's really. I think you kind of felt that maybe I needed something too. And a lot of people look at their surgeon and they think like, well, this guy's got it made. Yeah, not understanding that surgery is probably one of the most stressful jobs there is, and with any stress comes a lot of issues, right, you know, stress is hard on somebody. It takes its toll physically, it takes its toll emotionally, it takes its toll with your relationships, and so you know, I think you have to understand that when you're talking to your surgeon, that especially a high stakes, bigger surgery that that person is, you know, and and we've become accustomed to and are able to manage it, um, but it doesn't mean that we don't need a little help sometimes, right? So, and I think you that this came to me, this was so helpful to me and it was something I, you know, I I've used and I thought about over and over again since then.
Dr. Weiner:So creator was dialed in that day, um, so let's talk a little bit about. You know, four years ago you were struggling with addiction. Um, you were overweight. Just kind of tell a little us a little bit about your story.
Raquel:So, um, Just to give a little bit of background, I come from a criminal justice major. I went to get my associate's degree at Central Arizona College and I went on to ASU for a while. I interned with several different police departments, sheriff's departments, and did a lot of my work out of Pinal County and Pima County. I met a judge and I started working for him as a bailiff and then went on as a judicial assistant. I got married and my late husband was murdered on January 1st 2018. I became a single mother of four kids, two of which those kids were his and they were living with us. Um, so they're my adopted kids, Um, but their mom was murdered to domestic violence two weeks before their dad was murdered.
Dr. Weiner:So in the midst of like, so these kids lost both their parents within two weeks.
Raquel:Yes, yes, and so I went on to like adopt them and um, and then we went through some things in the family dynamic um, my adopted son, sexual illness and my daughter who was a year and a half so you could just imagine like all this trauma, um, so that I'm in like a short, within like six to eight months period. Um, and then COVID hit and so all of our services, from therapy services, were wrapped from Honduras. Um, I tried drugs for the first time and immediately got addicted, and the judge I worked for he dropped me off at CBI and he was a big supporter of getting help and getting into recovery. My kids were taken by CPS. So I kind of like was at my rock bottom right and I had this image that I worked so hard for my career that I felt like that was gone. My husband was gone and then all this.
Raquel:So I worked really hard. I got into treatment. I went through the Native American program at the Haven here in Tucson, got my kids back within nine to 10 months. We had the tribe behind us. I don't know if you guys are familiar with the ICWA law, but it's Indian Child Welfare Act where the kids are protected. So our family was protected so that they couldn't go outside and be placed with other people like strangers place with other people, like strangers, um.
Raquel:So when I went through recovery, um, I was overweight and in addiction I lost weight right Cause I didn't eat. I was addicted to methamphetamines and, um, when I got into recovery I gained a lot of weight. I was, um, probably well, my heaviest um was I was a 402 pounds when I had my daughter. I was 387 pounds when I got into recovery, when I had it like, so I was really overweight. And you know, like, coming from um addiction, your body craves carbs. Your body like you just eat, you just eat and eat. And so your body like you just eat, you just eat and eat. And so that that was like my go-to. That was my next addiction. Um, I also was born with a deformity in my legs. Um, that really, um, I was severely knock-kneed and then I tore my ACL. I got into a car accident and my both of my legs um were messed up after that when I was 13. So going to lose weight was very difficult for me. I couldn't lose weight because of my knees, I couldn't work out.
Raquel:No surgeon would do knee surgery on me. They didn't want to touch me because I was overweight. I went to several different surgeons and everybody was like no. So then I found you and I was ready. I was ready, it just fit in where I was at in my life, in recovery, um, and then like getting having to do the you know all the tests to make sure that I was ready for this change. I had done the work, um, so getting my kids back doing the work, I got a job with the tribe. I currently work for the Posse Waikiki tribe as well.
Raquel:Um, I am a domestic violence um facilitator for offenders. Uh, for the HEOPSI program. I've been there for about three and a half years and I've been sober for four years. So I really maintained my recovery, my career. I got I nothing happened to me, thank God, me, thank god, like um criminally right, you know. So I still was fortunate to like be able to do all this work that I'm doing, and so a big part of my healing journey and losing all this weight had to do with my ability to heal myself from trauma.
Raquel:yeah, you know from everything, not just what happened to me but childhood we, we go through things in life and um we need healing, need recovery, um, and so going through this surgery has really helped me. So I had my surgery, um my sleeve surgery, done February and then I was able to get my knee. I lost enough weight and I got my knee surgery. I got two double knee replacement surgeries three weeks apart. So in February I got the surgery and then in October I had my first knee surgery and then three weeks later, in November, I had my second knee surgery and it was the most painful surgery Way more painful.
Dr. Weiner:The knee surgery is going to be way more painful. Bariatric surgery yes, it's a bariatric surgery like a walk in the park.
Raquel:Yes, so, um, with that being said, that's like my story. I I was able to recover. You know, I'm almost two years in february, two years for my sleeve surgery. I'm a year out um post-op for my knee surgeries, just about around the corner. But this has really helped me to recover in my life. Recover not just from food, not just from being overweight, but just from life itself.
Dr. Weiner:I think sometimes with addiction, your, I think, is typical about it when there was so much pain, so many bad things happened, all of the terribleness that you described. That that's when you kind of turn to drugs, and sometimes, just you know, it's no surprise Poor people are more likely to use drugs than rich people because poor people suffer more pain, have more difficulties in their life than rich people. And so sometimes, if you can, just you get that little extra edge, you know, and I think at some point there's the judge who gave you a chance and who mentored you and really helped you, and that you know it kind of gave you that edge. And then some things happen beyond your control and and then you dropped down and had that pain again and then, and then now it was a surgery that kind of helped you and the weight loss and the physical healing.
Dr. Weiner:Um and so. So what's next for you? You know? What are you planning on? What are you aiming for? What's your relationship like with your family now? You know? Talk to us about what life is like now.
Raquel:Well, I definitely, like, I got my kids back. We adopted another child, so I got remarried and I, I, just, I've been so much healthier, my, the healthiness with, like my choices, being able to be present in the moment, right, and so even being present with food right, being able to say like I, I, I don't have to have this because it's a want and not a need, and so being in recovery helped me to, like, identify those things all across the board. I'm still working, I'm still healing, I'm still on my healing journey. My perception of things is like we go through these things, we fight, we heal and then we teach, yeah, so that divine connection that comes through me and it goes out and I share that it's not mine to keep, it's mine to share, and so, um, just like your knowledge, you share, that you heal people, you have healing hands, you know you, um, we all do so that's so powerful.
Raquel:Yeah.
Dr. Weiner:Really so you brought us some things today.
Raquel:I did, yeah, I did so, tell us a little bit about what you brought. So I brought some medicine. Um, we always um, offer medicine, offer the blessings, um, I know that when I came to see you for my year um follow-up, I, um, I don't think you recognized me, cause I hadn't touched base with you, like I seen Deidre but I didn't see you. So, um, and then I think you recognized me, cause you were like, oh, the oval, and then you're like, oh, I remember you, so that then we made that connection.
Dr. Weiner:But you had lost about 150 pounds at that point. Yes, yeah, you looked quite different, right yeah?
Raquel:So that's fair. But I had brought you medicine, I had been thinking a lot about just revisiting you and seeing you, and so we offer like Sage, I brought you a show, I just offered that medicine as a form of thank you, and so that's what we do when we um, we express gratitude, we express um our feelings, our connections, and we express that with medicine. So we always um bring some.
Raquel:So I brought you some more I love it so I brought you some more sage and I brought you cedar as well, okay and cedar is the same thing. You you light it on fire yeah, you, just you, just with this one you can we're going to light the sage.
Dr. Weiner:You know that, right, yeah.
Raquel:We'll light, we'll offer it.
Dr. Weiner:Yes, we're going to bless this off, yeah.
Raquel:Yeah, we'll do a blessing, but first I'll give you this. So when we give this to each other, you open your hands like this, and then I'll go one, two, three, four and you receive it. Thank you, you're welcome.
Dr. Weiner:Thank you for this. You're welcome. Yeah, this is really special.
Raquel:Yeah, so I also brought there's some. This is a maso, this is our deer dancer. Okay, just a pin. So it's a pin.
Raquel:Thank you, you're welcome, and I also also just like a shirt somewhere yeah, you can pin it or you know wherever, wherever you want, but, zoe, I made you one. Oh, you got it, oh, zoe. So, um, these are used as a form of protection. Um, there's a lot of things out in the world, right, um, and this is just another tool, right? Another form of protection to. You can choose to wear it, you can choose to hang it up, um, however you want. Um, but I did put a lot of prayers into um. Every beat is a prayer. Every um, yeah, every beat is a prayer.
Dr. Weiner:Those of you listening, there's hundreds of beats there's a lot.
Raquel:I didn't count, but there is a lot so every beat is a prayer yes, and when we make these, we make them with good intentions.
Raquel:You really have to be centered right. We want to, we're making something to protect somebody, and so you have to like before I make these, I offer a prayer, I clean myself, I offer a prayer and I just ask for that connection, that divine connection, and then I just be and I have good thoughts, and that's. That's another form. When I got into recovery, I started beating as a way to help my thoughts right. So we we tend to like have a million thoughts come through our heads and so then we don't know how to center ourself. It's hard to get away from that, especially when we have a lot going on, and there's a lot going on in the world. So beading really helped me to have like allow those thoughts to be acknowledged, but like also have them go like a form of meditation, right, right.
Raquel:So, like I did with dr, so, so, like I did with Dr Romero, so I appreciate it. Yeah, and I also made you one for your for here.
Dr. Weiner:So these are our. So just for the office, yeah, I love it. So you can. These can be a place as well as a person. Can you know I?
Raquel:love this. Some people hang them in their car, some people just hang them by their beds. You know um it whatever. Whatever you feel connected to and where it's supposed to be placed, it'll be so. This is for your office and these are colors of our Yaqui flag, so this is really special. There's a lot of protection that comes with this, so thank you.
Dr. Weiner:So I mean I think I feel very connected to this office. I really love the people that I work with zoe, sierra deidre, all of our staff here. I mean I think we're all really committed to helping other people in their in their life journey not just their weight loss journey and of all the places in the office, it's actually this room we're sitting in right now. That's really my favorite room, without question, and so it was there as we were kind of designing it, and this was the only room I really kind of thought about. So, but I think we need to find a place to kind of hang this into our background, so it just stays there. I think we'll play.
Dr. Weiner:We'll have Lauren Well yeah. Life actually designed side where it goes, life actually designed her, that's nice, I love it. She may move it around, we'll see. I think we need to keep that in here. Is that an appropriate way to handle it?
Raquel:Absolutely Every once in a while. I don't know if you do this, but every once in a while just give it a cleaning with the sage. Sage is really good. It's a really good part of healing. Can you show?
Dr. Weiner:me how you would do that, sure. So this is a good plug for people to watch us on YouTube as opposed to just listen to us, because there's a lot going on. So sage is lighting the petrified sage. Now, even the YouTube viewers can't smell that. It smells pretty awesome.
Raquel:We can, we can, yeah so we're just gonna, um, take a moment to acknowledge, um, like our space, this is a safe place, right, we want to be be able to acknowledge a safe place, be able to um, acknowledge like mother earth. Um, I like to really just um when I sage, just take off my shoes and just feel like, just feel the ground, just feel um. So I just like to just feel the energy, um, and just repeat that I learned to just walk on mother earth gently and just receive the four elements, the you know, the air, the water, the fire, like all these things that we have, just to be able to receive those um, and I just like to sit with this um sage is also um, just really healing. You can just feel like, even just the softness of like voice, even just like just you. Just it was open. So you know, I just I get into connection and I just for that, and when you smudge, you want to just smudge with. So I'm just going to stand up.
Dr. Weiner:Okay, not legal, sure, it really smells so kitchen Sure it really smells so good.
Raquel:Yeah, and I'm just going to open myself up.
Dr. Weiner:Can we do this too, yeah?
Raquel:Yeah, you guys can stand up, we'll clean you up, all right. So you just take a deep breath and then you just clean yourself, and then I will. Actually, since we're here, is it okay if I clean you?
Dr. Weiner:Sure Okay.
Raquel:So we'll just move these over there, clean you, sure? Okay, so I'm just going to ask, like permission to be in your space, right To your safe place, um, and then I'm just going to offer a blessing, and so when I'm done with the front side, we'll turn that way and face that way, and then, when I'm done, we'll turn full circle and face me again. Okay, all right, adjourn. Lift up your right foot.
Raquel:Thank, you, you're welcome, and I also just made this the other day in our art class, so I'm gonna give this to you as well, and you can just let that. Beautiful, yeah, and this is just gonna burn for a while, yeah right, yeah, you can just let it burn.
Raquel:Um and uh. Usually when you do a blessing to somebody, you want to make sure that you ask permission to be in their space, because it's a connection that happens when we're in front of each other we're connected, or open to each other. We're connected when I take that deep breath. You can feel my energy and I can feel yours. So I clean myself first, so that I don't transfer any energy to you, and then I clean you. So that's usually that's how I was taught to do it. You know, we usually, where the sun rises, the sun sets, like all those things matter the four directions, the four seasons, the four peoples, you know, like there's a lot more of that goes into it.
Dr. Weiner:That's why it's one, two, three, four. Yeah, when you do something, yeah, yeah, oh yeah.
Raquel:That's how I was taught to do things.
Dr. Weiner:I mean, well, I think, the connections between people. That's really all we have in the end. Yeah Right, it's not the possessions that we own.
Raquel:own, it's the connections we make yeah, and I feel like this is this is not um a coincidence that we cross paths. There was a couple different programs that I had tried that I didn't feel connected to, before pound of cure and, um, when I met you, I knew I and I didn't even have to meet you in person I, I did a teller, yeah, teller.
Dr. Weiner:Health yeah.
Raquel:So I knew. And so when we're that connected and we know, the answer is there, you know.
Dr. Weiner:Well, I also feel very connected. I've been talking to Zoe about you for a long time and I've always loved talking to you every time we speak in the office, and you know, and so I feel very lucky to have been able to be part of your journey. And I think you know, you, you certainly have had some hard things in your life and and you managed to kind of tackle them and and, uh, heal from them and then and then, I think, most importantly, to share your growth with other people. Yeah, which is really, you know, to me, if just the surviving is always amazing, but then when you can take that and use it to help other people, which is something that you've done and you continue to do, I think that's so important and I'm so, so happy to see you do that and I wish you all the best as you continue on that path. Thank you.
Raquel:Appreciate it, thank you.
