Episode 63: PPI highlights latest roller offering

On this episode of “Drilling Deeper,” P&Q managing editor Jack Kopanski sits down with PPI’s Tim Wolf to discuss the launch of Precision Composite Roller (PCR), a new composite idler roll option designed to tackle weight, corrosion and carryback challenges. 

Wolf explains how PCR delivers a 30 percent weight reduction while remaining fully load capable, with temperature stability that rivals steel and outperforms aluminum in both hot and cold climates. He also breaks down how the PCR fits seamlessly into PPI’s CEMA C5 and above product lines, giving producers a lightweight, corrosion-resistant, low-noise option that’s dimensionally interchangeable with existing rolls and compatible with both new builds and retrofits. Wolf walks through the engineering behind PCR – including welded construction with tight TIR control, high-quality ball bearings, proven labyrinth sealing and an outer rock shield that has logged more than a decade of global field use in mining, aggregate and port applications. 

The conversation explores key use cases where PCR shines, from large overland belts to portable plants where safer handling, easier maintenance and reduced carryback translate to more uptime and better belt health. Wolf also details PPI’s material options, such as GF HDPE (Georg Fischer high-density polyethylene), FRAS/SOF (fire-resistant, anti-static, oil-resistant formulation), UHMW (ultra-high molecular weight polyethylene) and dual-layer constructions. He also shares how producers should evaluate composite alternatives on performance, safety and total cost of ownership rather than price alone.

Looking ahead, Wolf outlines the product’s rollout – from initial availability through PPI’s international partner to an upcoming Iowa factory launch, which will bring local production of CEMA C5 to CEMA F rolls. For producers planning their next upgrade or attending major industry events, this episode serves as a practical guide to where composite idlers fit in the market, what signals to look for that indicate it’s time to switch and how to engage PPI’s field engineers and sales team to trial the PCR and optimize conveyor performance.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:06

Hey everybody, welcome into this episode of Drilling Deeper. I am Jack Kopansky, managing editor of Pit and Quarry. Today we are joined by Tim Wolf, Vice President of Engineering at PPI. Tim joined us to talk about the company's latest release, the Precision Composite Roller. He also explained what the product is and what its key features are, highlighted how it differs from existing products on the market today, and discussed how the product impacts the aggregate industry. He shares plenty more about the product and the latest that PPI has going on. Without further ado, here is Tim. Hey everybody, Jack Kopansky here with the latest episode of Drilling Deeper. I am joined by Tim Wolf with PPI. Tim, thanks for making a little time with us today. Thank you. Good to see you. A lot of exciting stuff going on. Obviously, Con XROSPOT where companies, you know, really kind of showcase their latest and greatest and no different from PPI. We've got a lot to get into here. Obviously, a product launch, um, you know, just some details about that, and then and then a little bit more about what PPI has going on. So um, I guess just to start off, can you tell us a little bit about the product that PPI is launching at the show and sort of maybe what problem it uh or inspired you to uh solve?

SPEAKER_01 1:17

Yes, yeah. So PPI is launching our precision composite roller or PCR. So it is a 100% composite roll, and the big thing that it brings to the to the forefront is much lower weight. 30, 40 percent is very common over a normal steel roll. And then because it's a composite, a plastic base, uh, you have the corrosion protection and things tend not to stick to it, the HTP. So that's some of its uh great features.

SPEAKER_00 1:49

That's awesome. So, with some of those features, what are maybe some operations or applications that come to mind when you think about where this product would be best suited?

SPEAKER_01 1:58

Yeah, so uh with the lower weight, um it it it really can help out your maintenance people by not having to pick up as heavy a roll. So bigger conveyors, wider belts, uh especially on the return side where you have a big long conveyor long roller, right? Um, it has a really good play there. Now, also uh portable equipment, you see a lot of that at this show, Con Egg. Uh wheel weight is a really important thing. So it's a great way to uh get some pounds out of your portable conveyor and and uh have a lower wheel weight. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 2:33

So now now I'll I'll give you a little room to expand on this, but you know, if if if you had to summarize the product in one sentence for a producer or plant manager, how would you describe the PCR?

SPEAKER_01 2:43

Yeah, so it is a really innovative composite role. So the the big thing is it's extremely load capable, it can handle your loads, a CEMA C all the way up to a SEMA F, very demanding heavy mine application. And a lot of your composites or plastics either have done well on the load side, uh, but then they cost a lot. And then you may have a plastic that is economical, but it doesn't handle loads well, or it doesn't hammer handle temperature variation very well. Sure. Um, so this is a great product that comes in at a much better value proposition that is entirely load capable and also uh in a lot of sizes.

SPEAKER_00 3:30

So yeah, fantastic. So diving into some of the key features of the PCR, I know we've already touched on some of it, you know, the the low weight, the corrosion resistance, the SEMA uh classification. Can you just sort of walk us through what this product actually is in practical terms and what sort of the main components or design elements that are that define it?

SPEAKER_01 3:49

Yes. So let's start on the shell or the can of that. So it it's an extruded tube. Uh the majority of the products are made out of a high density polyethylene with a glass uh fill in it. So they're all glass-filled HDPE. We have so you have that extrusion. We can vary the diameter of the tube, we can vary the thickness. Uh we do the extrusion ourselves in our international factory. So then all of those are welded, spin weld, to a uh bearing head, okay, a bearing housing. So you don't have any press fits to worry about coming undone, uh, and it's a very high load capable uh spin weld. And then going from that can, that the spin welding will give you a little bit of a flash. So all of them are machined afterwards. So you have basically a scale quality roll every time after that machining process, and then we're putting in a ball bearing. All the ball bearings have a contact seal on either side of the bearing. So the the RS seal, two RS. Yeah. Um, and then outside of that is a labyrinth seal uh with a large outside rock shield or uh as an alternate a smaller seal for certain applications. And then the shaft, uh, as in all uh shafts, it's typically a carbon steel, but we have stainless steel options because oftentimes we're doing this for corrosion resistance. Sure. Um and then, especially in our South Africa factory, uh they do a lot of hollow shafts to keep the weight down there also. Uh and in our corning factory, which is coming in late summer, early fall, uh, we will have that as an option also. Great. So uh and in that factory, it's gonna be available in a C5, uh, which uh is 6204 ball bearing, just like all of the other PPI rolls, all the way up to a SEMA F. So D, E, F, and above.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

Fantastic. Yeah, a lot of a lot of great features there on that product. Excited to excited to learn a little bit more about it. What are maybe three to five, and again, I I I know I can I'm sorry if I'm having you repeat yourself here, but what are maybe three to five key features you'd want a listener to remember about this product and why do those matter in day-to-day production?

SPEAKER_01 6:03

Right. And we'll repeat a couple of them. The load capability is a big one. Uh the 30 plus percent weight reduction is a big one, the corrosion resistance is a big one. So, in addition to that, we haven't talked about temperature sensitivity. Uh, and this is a big one for this product. Uh a lot of your I'll call plastic rolls, which this is not plastic, this is composite, they can be very temperature sensitive. I mean, you can take some of the rolls, let's say you've got a 48-inch return roll, drop it in your freezer in your garage, and it may shrink half inch, right? Quarter inch. Yeah. This has a temperature coefficient that is only 18% more than steel. And to put it in context, aluminum is twice steel. Okay. So this is nearly a steel type temperature variation, uh, so very temperature stable. You can put it in uh Arizona out in the sun, you can take it up into Canada, northern Canada in the far cold, and it can handle those temperature extremes.

SPEAKER_00 7:05

Fantastic. And how does how does that kind of how does that kind of set this product apart from maybe for maybe other options that are that are kind of similar?

SPEAKER_01 7:14

Yeah, so it it it truly can go in and be used similar to a steel roll, and you don't have to be super careful about how you select it and design it. Uh you can just use it and forget, put it in and forget about it to a degree.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

Yeah. So from an operator's perspective, what what changes when this product is installed, you know, be it you know, setup, adjustment, maintenance, safety, troubleshooting, etc.

SPEAKER_01 7:40

Yeah. And the great thing is really nothing. Um it is dimensionally identical to the PPI role. The only difference is it has a CR suffix, and we have some other different materials for specialty applications. Uh so it'll drop in and be load capable and be dimensionally identical externally. Uh and then we offer it in a vast array of what we call retro roles. So uh we'll put a nut on for brand X, Brand Y. Um we're with Continental now, and so we obviously can drop it into all of their frames, and and so it can be drop-in compatible to almost any bracket or frame you have.

SPEAKER_00 8:23

Fantastic. That's great to hear. Yeah. Along with along with some of the features we've been talking about, the weight reduction, the temperature, um, versatility. What are some things that PPI prioritized in the design of the PCR and how did those priorities shape the final product?

SPEAKER_01 8:39

Yes, and and it would be good to say we're partnered with a long-standing company that has made this for decades down in South Africa, CCR. So right there you've got proven performance. I mean, they do many thousands of roles over a decade uh in Australian iron mining, heavy my heavy or heavy conveyors, uh, port facilities uh in North America, and aggregate facilities, underground coal, above ground coal, it's it's proven in all of those type of applications. So and in addition to that, I mean you've got all of the uh we haven't really talked about some of the options. So in addition to the standard uh glass-filled HTP, which is probably 90% of the time the product that you're gonna want, uh if you have extremely high abrasion applications, uh we've got a couple of options for that. Uh one is a dual layer where it's basically the same HDP you we're talking about on the inside, glass-filled, and then on the outside a different color, kind of a aqua blue. Um there's no no filler, no, no glass in that, HDPE, and it gives you really superior abrasion. Um it drops the amount of things that would want to stick to it, so carry back sticking is uh is not much of a problem at all with that product. Good. And then we have some for your flame resistant and your anti-static applications. So um the IO factory is going to be able to provide fire resistance, so it'll have an amphian number, it'll be applicable for any uh above ground uh fire resistant application that you might want. And then if you really if you'd want to take it underground, underground coal or where there might be methane or in a grain enclosed grain area, we have the fire-resistant anti-static FRAS. Uh so that's able to be be produced from our South African factory, and so it it it can go into any environment, really.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

Yeah. How did how did ensuring that PPI has availability for its customers and also you know being able to provide sort of the best bang for your buck, the best value, how how did that kind of play a role in this product's development?

SPEAKER_01 10:57

Well, um the important thing was is we we wanted to really just be another role option in our array of roles, whether it be steel cans, rubber disc rolls, or other roles that we have. Um so it uh in the big picture, it's another role option to our line. Um and so it fits right in, complements it. Uh a lot of time there are a lot of applications where you're gonna want to use it. Uh and and in addition to all of the um experience and testing that CCR brings to the table, we've been running it through our battery of tests, uh, in Pell, our headquarters, uh abrasion, uh water, water contamination, dry particulate, you name it. Uh and it's been faring very well to that also. And that work is continuing to progress to when the when the factory opens up in uh late summer, early July. Yeah, looking forward to that.

SPEAKER_00 11:58

Sorry, early fall. Got it. Yeah, no, that that's gonna be exciting. I'm looking forward to that opening. Um, what downstream outcomes are you targeting for customers, be it more uptime, higher throughput, better product quality, and which of those um have you seen tend to show up first?

SPEAKER_01 12:16

Well, the the one that everyone tends to gravitate to is the corrosion resistance. Um and and that's an easy one to see because everybody knows polymers tend not to rust. Uh the the big play really uh we expect is gonna happen is the weight reduction. Sure. Um as folks uh I'll go to Australia where CCR sells a lot of product, they have very strict government regulations on X number of pounds or kilograms, the the maintenance guy can't lift that. And they have to have a roll with whatever hoist or whatever for a single idler roll. Um we don't have those regulations. We're not saying we want to get them. Right. Uh that said, by us not straining our maintenance people, giving them a product that will perform just as well or better, and they don't end up with the back strain or what have you, we can uh make it better for all. Yeah. So the the weight reduction there, we really see it as a safety play with maintenance people and things like that. And uh uh we're going to be working to help people understand that more. And then, like we said with the portable equipment, um everybody wants to be able to pack more in with less weight on the portable equipment. So uh it's it lends itself really well to that.

SPEAKER_00 13:34

Fantastic. And and I'm assuming you know, with some of that corrosion resistance, it's better on the belt as well in the long term, right?

SPEAKER_01 13:40

Yes, yes, yes. And also the thing with Bigo to from a belt point of view, um everybody has experienced a stop roll. I don't I don't care how good of a product you have, some of them will stop turning over time. Yeah. Um the nice thing is is now you've got a HDP material that essentially turns into a slider. Sure. Where um with a metal roll, it turns into a slider too, but you're generating heat and you're eventually wearing it down to where you've got sharp surfaces. Uh with all of these composite rolls, you don't have that. Uh as they wear, uh, you're not creating a sharp surface, so that's not going to damage your belt. In addition, a composite just isn't a heat sink. It can't build up the heat to where you may have this red hot chunk of metal with the belt sliding against. You'd stop the belt, and then maybe that starts your belt on fire. Right. Um here you're you in effect you have a thermoplastic material. So it's going to soften. Uh that as it softens, it'll lose structural integrity. It the belt will take it away in small amounts, so that quickly cools and is not a hazard to anything.

SPEAKER_02 14:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:57

Um so it's inherently safe to your belt and to your application.

SPEAKER_00 15:02

Absolutely. So great. Where do you think the industry is heading that made this the right time to launch the PCR?

SPEAKER_01 15:10

So um PPI is through the entire Americas. We have a large presence down in South America and in Chile and Peru especially. We had been seeing where um they were starting to take interest in the plastic composite rolls. And this is something that we've seen, I've been around a couple of years. Uh every three to five to seven years, we've seen the U.S. market cycle on that, where someone would come in and they would say, Hey, we've got this plastic roll, it's gonna do everything, and it's gonna be affordable. And for the most part, they usually failed in some way. Um so then folks would sour on it, and there'd be a few years of nothing, and then we would cycle that, and I can say there's been in my decades, there's been a couple of those cycles. Sure. So truthfully, down in South America, we thought, oh, here's another cycle. Uh the reality was is we started to look at those products, we brought them in a pellet, tested them a little bit, and we're like, this is different. Um so we we said we need to do this to be really current in our South American market, and let's be the leader in this in the North American market and do this in a big way and and add it to our product lines, and so that's where we're at at the moment is introducing that.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

Fantastic. How how does this fit within PPI's broader product line now?

SPEAKER_01 16:37

Uh it's a great compliment. Um the reality is, is especially in smaller belts, a composite role that can really do what we're talking about does cost a little bit more. There's a premium to it. It isn't for everyone, and not every application needs uh these unique features. Uh so we see it as a great complement. Our current products are still going to be the workhorses. I mean, the steel rolls not going away. That said, there is a valid use case for these composite rolls, and it uh making it so that it just seamlessly fits in with our brackets and our frames and our retro rolls, it's perfect complement to what we have already have.

SPEAKER_00 17:17

Fantastic. Where do you see, and and again, you know, maybe this is something we've already touched on a little bit, but where do you see the biggest gap in the market today that this product fills? Is it the is it the you know the the weight reduction, is it the corrosion resistance, the temperature flexibility? Where where does this kind of fill the biggest need?

SPEAKER_01 17:33

And and there are products out there that can do some of those needs. Really, what this does is it gives you a product that hits all of those features and benefits in one product and one series of materials at a much more affordable price point and coming with decades of successful use in all different kinds of environments around the world and applications around the world. So it's not like a person has to feel like, oh, I need to test this and I'm a new use case for it. When they come to us, we're gonna be able to say, hey, well, in South Africa we're doing this, or well, in Australia we're doing this, or in Peru, we're doing that. And it's very similar to proof of it. We and we can come with with proof um with testimonials and that are very similar to the situation they're in. And and yes, uh uh I was near Missouri, it's show me. So we know we're still gonna want to test, and I'd I'd want to do that too. Of course. That said, we can drastically shorten that or eliminate that need with a lot of that uh experience that we can bring to the table.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

Excellent. So, along with the experience that that that PPI brings to the table and and everything this product has to offer, can you talk a little bit about how the company supports the PCR beyond the hardware and how important that support is from PPI to recognize those performance gains?

SPEAKER_01 18:57

Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that. We we're unique in that we have a large sales group that are technically savvy, and then on top of that, we've got uh a large array of outside uh outside field engineers. Um we got about half in a dozen of those in the United States spread around the country, up in Canada, down in Mexico, uh, and even in South America. So these guys are seasoned field true engineers. They can go in and help with diagnosing your problems, and in this case, with this uh new product, they can help with selecting it in the right places and making sure you get the right product and the best value.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

Excellent, fantastic. You mentioned you know just a minute ago how how there are some products that can do a little bit of what the PCR is able to do, but maybe not sort of have it in this in this whole package like the PCR has.

SPEAKER_01 20:03

I mean, CCR, they're a very innovative innovative group. Uh Robert and his team uh they've developed a great product, and we're just making sure that when we bring their equipment that they're building to put in our corning factory, that we meet their standards. So really, I mean it's there already. We just have to make sure we don't uh mess it up.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

So you've talked obviously a lot in this interview about working with CCR and they've played a huge role in some of this development. So along with working with them and sort of the backing and history that PPI has itself, how does PPI's approach different from what's commonly available today?

SPEAKER_01 20:41

Yes, so PPI likes to get a standard offering with some options, and and that's the approach that we're taking here. The the glass-filled HP, 90% of the time that's the role that you need. Uh, it's gonna be available in both factories in all sizes, and then in addition to that, when those unique situations arise, we've got all of those options. So, like the fire resistant, the frost, the fire resistance is gonna be available in both factories, right? And then we've got all the other options that can come from the South Africa factory when we need to.

SPEAKER_00 21:17

So, what are you know, what are maybe some, and and and you know, the aggregates industry is one where you know it's a lot of uh, you know, we've done it this way for so long, people know people know how it's done, and they stick to doing it that way. And and similarly, some things can kind of go for different ideas or per perhaps stereotypes. What are maybe some common misconceptions or or maybe a default assumption that customers bring from existing products that the PCR kind of challenges?

SPEAKER_01 21:43

Yeah, probably the big one is is can plastic handle my situation? And and that's where we say it it isn't plastic. It's a composite of a plastic and that glass fill. It gives you much more strength, much more temperature stability. Uh and I'll kind of go to automotive. I mean it I remember when they started to make plastic parts on engines, and I was like, Are you crazy? They're there and they work. So uh it it show me. Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

So you mentioned, you know, a a lot of sort of the the case studies that have already been going on going on around the world, Australia, um, several other places through CCR. How how nice is it as PPI to to sort of have those test studies to fall back on and not have it be a situation where a customer might have to sort of be the one to take that first step and say, Let me try this unknown. You're able to say, No, we know how this works. We can show you and you know maybe put the customer's mind at ease a little more.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Well, it it it it a new product that isn't really a new product is a lot easier. We're not blazing a trail. Right. We are it's a well pa well-worn path. We're just doing it in a place that we haven't walked yet. Sure. And so uh when you have a roadmap, it's a lot easier to get somewhere.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

That all that being said, you know, obviously this being a new undertaking, uh, you know, for for you guys and and and again in this market, what what have maybe been some of the biggest biggest learnings or biggest sort of maybe aha moments as you guys were developing the PCR that sort of maybe influenced the final design?

SPEAKER_01 23:26

Yeah, it some of it is wrapping our own head around can a composite really do the same things that a steel roll can? We had to convince ourselves first, and like I said, in the iterative journey of plastics and composites in our market, and truthfully my career took me a while to believe it would work too. Uh obviously I'm a believer now. So um it it just keep training ourselves, yeah, keep challenging ourselves, keep looking for what really could be a better answer.

SPEAKER_00 23:59

Sure. And I know we talked a little bit, you know, before we started recording here that, you know, PPI has really put the PCR through a battery of tests, you know, to to ensure that it's ready to go. Can you kind of talk me talk to me a little bit about what that experience is like? Like you said, wrapping your head around can this really do what we hope and you know have seen it's able to do in this market? What was that experience like just sort of running it through the test? Sure.

SPEAKER_01 24:21

Yeah, I mean we have a battery test back in Pella at our at our corporate office. So abrasion tests, uh the the typical din or taber that everybody does. We also have a a different one that's G65, that's a little bit more like what happens when uh like sand or what have or have you gets between the belt and a roll. Um and then we've got all the fire testing with MSHA and whatnot, uh, so those things are happening. And then contamination testing. We've got some water testing, we've got dry particulate, we've got slurry testings, and all of those things have been going on and will continue. Uh and things have been going good in all of that. Uh and then some of the other field trials. We've been putting these out in different field locations and monitoring them ourselves. Even though we know it has a great track record, we want to show ourselves in some of our own applications, and then probably the other big one is uh things sticking to it. Right. Uh we do have a current HDP product in just in CMS E uh, and customers like it uh because things don't stick to it. And so we've been comparing, okay, how does this product compare to that, which it's been convering comparing very well. And the existing uh plastic and like nylon composites that we currently make, the intention is is those are going to get obsoleted and it's gonna all uh go to the new PCR product. Excellent, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:50

So so obviously launching here at Conn Expo, very exciting. Yeah, I got to see it in the booth uh I I think on the first day of the show, and it's certainly you know an impressive piece of equipment. Um available internationally, but still sort of waiting on that uh that that Iowa f facility to be finished late summer, early fall to sort of be available domestically, correct? Correct. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

Yes. Now we are working to fill orders right now from South Africa. Uh if someone has an opportunity that it's a couple thousand pounds or more of idlers, uh we uh it's economical to fill that from the South African factory right now. And as we've talked about, we know some people are gonna want to try it themselves. Uh we're happy to get some samples on order for them and help them out with the air freight so they can have them quickly and and do some samples. Now, obviously, you want that to be strategic. You don't want to do it for every little mom and pop shop.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

Right.

SPEAKER_01 26:45

Uh, but we're gonna do that to the worst thing we could do is start up a factory late summer and then six months later actually fill it with orders. Yes. So we're trying to prime the pump right now.

SPEAKER_00 26:57

Totally understandable. I love that. So for for anyone listening here that might be interested, um what what should interested producers, operators do next, and what info should they have ready for PPI?

SPEAKER_01 27:10

Well, uh while we're in this period, while we're getting the factory final tooled, uh it we're gonna be talking a little bit about okay, how is this a value proposition? Uh help them understand the product, uh potentially get some samples in, get testing happening if they want field trials and assess those type of things. Really helping everybody learn about this, us and them. Uh and then obviously turn it into things that are valuable for their operation to help them make product better.

SPEAKER_00 27:42

Right. Fantastic. Looking forward to seeing looking forward to hearing how some of those trials go. That's obviously a very exciting time for everyone. Um, you know, just just finally, Tim, and I appreciate you being so generous with your time here today. What what is maybe, and again, we've we've covered a lot about the PCR. I feel like I, you know, I feel like I'm an expert at this point. Uh what's maybe one takeaway you want drilling deeper listeners to remember about this launch?

SPEAKER_01 28:06

Um just remember that this is a product that truly is load capable, even though it is a much lighter weight product. Uh it can do the job and it has a lot of unique features, uh like corrosion resistance, things don't stick to it. Uh it tends to wear better in a lot of applications. Uh we've I forgot to mention it's low noise. Yeah, that's great. Composites tend to be a dampener where steel tings. So when clips go across this, it's a much lower noise.

SPEAKER_00 28:36

So can and you know, uh along with that, can you just kind of talk a little bit about again, you know, with uh with this new addition, we sort of talked about how it fit into the PPI line. You know, I'm I I I kind of understand that, you know, between PPI and Continental, you guys have just a very wide array of idler options. Can you talk a little bit about that?

SPEAKER_01 28:53

Yes, yeah. With the acquisition of Continental almost two years ago now, uh we've got a vast array of SEMA B up to SEMA F in ball bearing. Uh we also have a vast array of tapered roller product in SEMA D all the way up to SEMA F plus also. So now this gives us the ability to have a composite roll that complicate complements both of those really good steel and rubber disc products that have been around for decades.

SPEAKER_02 29:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

Uh in addition, uh we've got a product that can handle uh the uh low drag applications that you might want in an overland. Uh kind of a specialty thing, but that's that's gonna become our blue product, Bangor.

SPEAKER_00 29:37

Fantastic. So I love it. For anyone that wants to learn more about the PCR, about PPI, about any of your guys' offerings, how can they get in contact with either you or PPI?

SPEAKER_01 29:47

Yeah, uh our website is a great source of information. We have a lot of product information and PPI information there. That's www.ppi-global.com. Uh, and they're more than welcome to call me direct uh at my phone number that I'm sure we'll publish, or my email that that'll be available too. I'm gonna be dedicated to the success of this product for the coming months.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

So yeah, excellent. And you can reach Tim at wolf at ppi-global.com or 641-7804106. Tim, thank you again for spending a little time with us today. Very excited about the release of the PCR, and uh best of luck to you and PPI the rest of this year and moving forward. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thanks again to Tim Wolf from PPI for joining us on this episode of Drilling Deeper. Very exciting stuff going on at PPI. Best of luck to them uh the rest of this year and beyond. Be sure to stay tuned for our next episode of Drilling Deeper in two weeks, and we will see you next time.