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Leather, Love, and Lava Dancing: A Kinky Journey
After 20 years cultivating a safe haven for students, Master Cat found himself abruptly cast aside when his private life in the leather community was exposed by a right-wing parent. This raw, emotional episode explores the painful fallout as he navigated being barred from saying goodbye to students, having his name removed from retirement celebrations, and processing what it means to lose a core part of his identity.
"The kids suddenly saw me disappear again," Master Cat reveals, sharing how students were left wondering what happened when he vanished without explanation. Unable to even collect his belongings or attend functions at school properties, he describes the year-long grieving process and how the witch in him approached healing through a deliberate "year and a day" of reflection.
The conversation delves into deeper questions about professional boundaries and personal freedom. Why are teachers expected to live under draconian standards without corresponding compensation? What happens when institutions erase valuable contributors over consensual adult activities conducted privately? Master Cat's transition to becoming a full-time leather educator demonstrates how his teaching skills transferred seamlessly to a new context.
Beyond his personal story, we explore critical issues within the leather community itself—from inclusivity battles at campgrounds to the importance of looking beyond physical appearance to see someone's soul. "Leather is an attitude," Master Cat emphasizes, built on honor, integrity, and respect rather than any specific look or body type.
Whether you're part of the kink community or simply concerned with workplace dignity and personal freedom, this episode challenges conventional boundaries and celebrates authentic living despite society's judgments. Join us for this intimate look at finding resilience when your worlds collide.
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what's up, gremlins? Welcome back to another podcast. My name is daddy j. I hope everyone is doing it and doing it well. You know the drill. This is the mature mischief podcast. Welcome, welcome, master cat. How are you? Welcome back, and today is freaky friday you already know so putting in right now. This is your warning. This is not suited for work. We are going to be a little raunchy on this podcast here, so just fyi, like we're, we're going to get really get much into it.
Speaker 1:You know, uh, before I continue, I know it, you know it, the whole world fucking knows it. I am your host, jesse james, and, of course, my lovely sidekick here is going to be Master Cat. He is your Mr Leather of 2017, mr Tough Drag Diva 2018. Your Master Alamo City Leather of 2022 and 2023. He has been very, very well known in the community and ever since then, he was brother of jesus too as well. He was the 13th disciple that nobody wanted.
Speaker 2:Pretty much, it's kind of like when they, when somebody religious says to me you need he says what did they say? They says y'all need jesus and I was like, yeah, I had him. Last week he was in my sling. Oh, does that piss them off? Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's going to piss off a lot of people.
Speaker 2:Uh well, I have had a man named Jesus in my sling before.
Speaker 1:Oh, me too, yeah, and.
Speaker 2:I think he was talking to his father cause he was going.
Speaker 1:Oh God, oh God, oh god, I'm coming.
Speaker 2:Oh dear god shout out to temple of flesh. That's such a religious place.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you I love that place and I love whenever I get a chance to go to it, and I'm glad that my schedule has changed to where it's at, where I'm able to join you yeah, on it, but I got off late that night. I was supposed to join you I know I was. So I was on that fucking phone call for three. I would not even go into it but whatever, that's okay.
Speaker 2:There was a cute. There was a cute cowboy with a big cock. Yeah, you were having fun.
Speaker 1:Having fun there you go that's all that matters, as long as you were having fun. Oh man, you know it's. Uh, it's one of these things that we talk about. So we're kind of picking up the podcast a little bit more. We're pushing more out, we're doing wednesdays, hump days, monday woes, we have our freaky friday, fridays, and then we have our shenanigans on saturdays here as well. So that has been a phenomenal thing for um us here at the mature mischief podcast. We're growing a lot more and we're continuing to grow. Thank you uh to uh, dd, aka sister d, and on friday, freaky friday she's known as delicious d, and I wish she was here so you can get to meet her, because you would have loved her to death.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah uh, she's such a sweetheart.
Speaker 1:We'll meet another time, yeah well, most definitely will and, um, we're definitely going to do something here because I know she, that's one of the things that she's just like. All right, man, I wanted to be there so I can meet, because I talk about you a lot on the podcast.
Speaker 2:I really, really do.
Speaker 1:I know, I know I talk about you a lot on the podcast.
Speaker 2:I remember you saying I'm no nonsense and all that other stuff. And I am no nonsense on something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you are no nonsense on a lot of things. I know that the last episode we left off, we left off on a cliffhanger because you were talking about how you were going. You haven't posted anything on for almost about a year on your Facebook page, right Dealing with all this stuff.
Speaker 2:They told you not to come back to work at all whatsoever, right? Uh, the next day this was like late in the day on a tuesday, was right. It was a tuesday when they were told, when hr told me uh, you know, they'll call. They call me late that night, don't come to work. After they said, okay, have a nice night. And I was like getting dressed and I had my outfit ready for wednesday and they said so wednesday was kind of hellish because I was. You know what's going on? What's going on? Are they going to terminate me? Are they going to? And so thursday they uh brought me in and they had the letter for me and basically they said you know, we're going to put you on administrative leave it's about basically stay away from all of our properties.
Speaker 2:So couldn't go to anything graduations or any other function that I could so I was like, wow, that's wild, absolutely stay away from.
Speaker 2:That is wild basically it was, and the thing is they knew I was retiring anyway because of my illnesses and things like that. So it was. It was just kind of crazy that that happened. So you know, I went through when that happened. It was like right before austin kink weekend, which is weird, because a year to the day will be friday, right a year. Well, a year to the day will be Friday. Right A year. Well, a year and a day will be Friday. So, uh, it's kind of. You know, that was from the first day I I couldn't work, right, and so I already am planning something on Facebook, since I've not been posting, and it'll be on that Friday and it's going to say a year and a day.
Speaker 2:I have something to say and then I'm gonna, that's all I'm gonna put, and then underneath it I'm gonna put the dissertation right, right, and I'm gonna do the same thing on FetLife. We were talking at the end of the other podcast. Best way to reach me is on FetLife. If you're a kinkster and you're really into all this kinky, crazy, freaky stuff, fetlife is where you're gonna want to be, because you'll see some stuff there. It's not just for straights, it's what you make of it. There's a lot of gay people on there. There's a lot of everybody's represented. Just filter what you want.
Speaker 2:So, kat, underscore Artemis, you can find me on FetLife, but you can also ultimately you can reach me at Facebook as well, right, kat Artemis, with a space between them. But I don't really post anything. But I will start posting things after the year and a day Because, as a witch, I've been letting myself grieve for the year of losing that part of my life, right, and letting myself heal and letting myself realize that things are now better retired because I wake up when I want to Mm-hmm, realize that things are now better retired, because I wake up when I want to Uh, and I look at the clock and I don't have to go. Oh, um, second grade's coming in now. I don't have to give a shit, it's, it's noontime, I don't have to worry about second grade coming in anymore.
Speaker 1:I love my, I love my little buggers.
Speaker 2:but you know what? I'm going to go make a sandwich, Screw you.
Speaker 1:So let me ask you on a personal level why is it taking you so long to heal? What's giving you that much?
Speaker 2:time. You have to understand. I did this for 20 years, right? I had, you know, and the place I worked in. I had been there for six years and I had seen some of those babies go from being pre-K to fourth grade when I left them.
Speaker 2:And some of them from kindergarten to fifth grade to fourth grade when I left them, and some of them from kindergarten to fifth grade, and that bond with that music teacher, that the one person that was stable out throughout. You know they changed teachers every year, even the other specials teachers. They changed librarians, they changed a stem teacher, they changed coaches. The only one that stayed all the time and they knew who he was was Mr L the music teacher, the magical music teacher, and they knew how I worked. They knew who he was was Mr L the music teacher, the magical music teacher, and they knew how I worked. They knew how things were as soon as they walked in. It was like we just started up again with the next set of songs in the next level and just did a lot of fun things where the kids were looking forward to it. Whenever I walked through the halls it was hi, mr L. You know it was like 700 kids knew who I was and you know, except for a couple of troubled children, that doesn't like anybody. They pretty much loved coming to my class. So to suddenly go from that to nothing and waking up for those seven weeks of administrative leave, it was like please, let me go back and at least say goodbye to the kids. They're not telling them what happened. You know this woman who did this said she was, you know, like a parent, you know a parent, something very right-wing nut job person and she thought she's protecting children. What they did is because they don't tell people what's happening. These kids suddenly saw me disappear again and I had just had a whole month being sick with cellulitis in january through february, right, and they thought, and a lot of the kids thought, I was sick again. And the reason I know that is because when I went with my other brothers to a going out thing to Six Flags, I happened to bump into one of my kids who saw me and ran up to me and gave me a big power hug and said we miss you, what's going on? And I had to say they thought I was sick, they thought I'd gotten sick again and stuff like that, and they were wondering when's Mr L coming back? And I had to tell him Mr L retired because he was too sick and part of that was I was retiring because I got sick again on April 1st. But they were able to catch it and so I guess that's why HR decided to just do the administrative leave because otherwise it would have tried to have terminated me. But I'm finishing 20 years of teaching.
Speaker 2:This was something I had ingrained in me for all this time. No matter what level I taught, whether it was elementary with the littles which is a very special thing to do or even my middle school time or my high school time I developed a bond with anybody who was my student and really just got to know who. They were Right, and this is a skill I've used as a covered master as well. So when I see something like that just end as something that was my routine for years. It took a while to do that. So I started getting better.
Speaker 2:After the last day of school when I knew there was no way I was going to see the kids anymore they wouldn't all go to the different wins. I kind of missed getting to see my faculty friends on teacher cleanup day. But after that Friday, when I would have probably have checked out of the contract, I kind of went, okay, it's summer break. And I could sort of in my mind say, okay, we're on summer break now. None of that really happened. I kind of went into denial. And then it wasn't until the teachers were supposed to start going back to school. And you know, the back to school sales are going on and I had to start making myself go. I don't have to do this anymore.
Speaker 2:So I was starting over the summer to heal and that stuff. And then every so often, something would happen that would trigger me going why am I not part of this anymore? Right, you know, the holidays came, there's no Christmas concert and I had a big, awesome one last year. Um, and I don't celebrate christmas, but I do the winter concert for the kids, correct? Um, there's a bunch of things, like when spring break happened, it was like I almost forgot spring break was happening and you know because. But then all of a sudden there's kids at heb and it's like why aren't they at school? Oh shit, school's not in session you're like shit I forget.
Speaker 2:So it's taken a while and I've had to start to learn, to look at why it's better to be home and get up when I want to do what I want to. You know, and it turns out that when I've started making myself available on like fat life, there's people writing me in correspondence back and forth for advice or whatever else. I'm busy on telegram or wherever else with people who want to write to me and talk to me and stuff like that. So I've done more stuff doing main, basically full-time, being a covered master right.
Speaker 1:So has anybody, though? Has any of the children's uh parents ever reached out to you to see how you were doing?
Speaker 2:no, no one has nobody, the only knowing you at all, period and here's the thing about it the only person that would write to me or talk to me was the main principal, right, and she would only respond to me when I asked her a legitimate question about something, right. And then in the middle of the summer, after all this happened, she writes me back. She's moving on to a new school, right, and she says would you do me a favor and get in touch with the other principal that we knew he was assistant principal, now he's becoming the main principal. Would you get in touch with Mr So-and-so and see if you can sit down with the new music teacher that they're hiring and help them keep this outstanding program you have going? You let me go for seven weeks and ignored me. You didn't even let me come in to do the retirement party with the librarian and the other teacher I was. There were three of us retiring. You didn't even put my name on the cake. It was like I didn't exist.
Speaker 2:And now you want me to help you, fuck you, yeah, and what I did? The best thing was they gave me silence. So I didn't even give them the honor of saying fuck you, it was like I gave them silence back. I let them wonder and you know, as far as I was concerned, I don't even know who that teacher is. I do know that the entire specials team left that year. I retired, librarian, retired, and then the STEM teacher moved to another school oddly enough, to the same school. She moved to karma, and then the coach is no longer there either, or as far as I know. And so and it's interesting, because on their roster, if you go and look at the roster of the school I used to work at, they don't have their specials teachers listed- ah, they don't have them listed and you have no contact for them and it's like you put everybody else.
Speaker 2:And then I looked and started looking to see who's there, who's gone, and there was a massive exodus of people who left and I was like, wow, okay, it was that bad and so I don't. I started to find things like that, to not feel bad about leaving, but there's every so often that little thing like I should be doing this, I should be doing that. I have to keep, you know, slapping myself and saying which I kind of like anyway, but I'm the only one that can I'm the only one that can top me on an impact right so it's like it's one of those things.
Speaker 1:That's where it becomes very hard, because you live in this, you live in this kinky world. That's always been you, but yeah you've always separated your kinky life from your professional life and everything, and for someone to really point you out as a person, to expose you. But it's kind of like were you even trying to hide it at all for yourself, cause you were just pretty much as open as I am with myself.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. It wasn't like. It wasn't like I was walking around with a flogger in my hands in the school and all of my social media says cat Artemis no not like.
Speaker 1:not like that, though, but what I mean is that did people already know you were part of this lifestyle? They had an idea about it they kind of have an idea. Right I have an idea.
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm walking around with the mr alamo city leather vest on over my dress clothes. Yeah, you know when it's cold on. I was wearing a vest when I had a t-shirt on right. Um. So I you know, because with with a leather vest on and the boots, it looks kind of scary. Don't mess with this guy standing at the apartment gate.
Speaker 2:He's not going to let you by you know Right, they actually switched my duty in the afternoon with the librarian because she was a pushover and they would like basically push her out of the way. I'm standing there like can I help you? And you're not walking by me.
Speaker 1:Because I've always thought, because I've always figured you were so open with a lot of your stuff.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean that people already kind of assume, not the kids but the adult. The adults kind of knew, and I didn't hide it. Yeah, this is the thing ultimately we figured out. There's only one way this woman could figure it out. Somebody had to tell her what my real name was, uh-huh, and say, oh, by the way, he's a music teacher that works with elementary kids. And of course that was enough to make the right wing nut job fly off the handle and start all that stuff.
Speaker 1:But that's the thing. You're trying to live your best life as a person who does your own thing. We're entitled to have our nightlife. We're not a teacher 24-7. We're not roboting.
Speaker 2:But in that profession you have people that fired for showing a picture of you holding a margarita when you're on vacation yeah, because the problem is is we want to hold teachers to this draconic, uh level of stuff.
Speaker 2:But if you're going to hold us to those kind of high standards, then damn it. Pay us at that standard and make it worth our time going in for all the rules and regs you want us to do. The entire education system is kind of fucked up because it is not regulated by educators or people who live in classrooms.
Speaker 1:There are literally teachers who are sleeping with young kids, that are there, that have been doing it for years, and they finally get caught in doing it and get a slap on the wrist Like are you fucking for real? Yeah, how are you going to be that adamant on what you're doing and a whole lifestyle that doesn't involve yeah, young kids at all period, or teenagers for that matter?
Speaker 2:this is why it hurts so much, jesse, is because my classroom was considered the safe space, right, my, my kids. When they were troubled, they would. They would, for the most part, come to my room. There was many years, even when I taught middle school, there were some kids that I had in my classes choir, orchestra, speed right, reading, whatever I was teaching, because I taught a whole bunch of stuff there. But they were, they were classified ed or uh, emotionally disturbed or emotionally, you know, stress or whatever. But it was enough to have to do, like you know, paperwork and all that kind of stuff. And it got to the point with some of those kids that if they were, I mean, some of these kids were violent ED. In other words, they would pick up a desk and throw it if they got upset, if their thermometer was to the point that they were stressed off. So we had to let them have a cooling spot. And my room, the practice rooms, were the cooling spot.
Speaker 2:This is one young man I remember coming in and if he walked in I didn't say a word. He would go straight to the practice room. One of his instrument was sitting in there or something was in there. He would play it for a while, real jagged and angry and all that kind of stuff. And then, when it finally started to calm down, I knew, okay, he was calming down now. And then what I would do is if it was in class and he could stay as long as he needed to, but when it finally calmed down, I would just give the kids something to do or I'd put a video on and I would go into the practice room how are you doing? What's going on? And I had that relationship with him and this is why it hurts so much to lose when you've had all these relationships.
Speaker 2:Even now, some people that are now adults that remember my class they either were with me in middle school or in high school especially, and they've got kids now and they remember me and they see me and they go, mr L, oh my God. And so we catch up with each other. Because a lot of them would say your class was always hard, but it was my favorite because you were just so delightfully weird. We didn't mind it being hard. I mean, when I taught I kept the level up there, yeah, but you know, and I expected you to do your work and if you didn't, the consequence was you were going to fail, right, but I made it interesting. I made it, you know, even when I taught public speaking, I let the students pick their subject, right, I let them pick it, and even if it was controversial, this is okay.
Speaker 2:Well, this is the stuff we've got to be careful with. I mean, I had kids, you know, being proponents for same gender marriage back in 2012, 2013, when it wasn't legal in texas, right, and you know. And then I told him, when we're doing the persuasives, I'm going to take the counterpoint, even though you know I actually agree with you. I have to take the counterpoint. You need to defend yourself and right, we would teach kids how to debate appropriately, instead of getting into the ad hoc name calling or the ad hominem name calling and things like that. And you, as soon as you do that, you've lost the thing.
Speaker 2:And this is why I see things going on in our culture where people are just name calling. There's a lot of people up there in legislation that don't belong there because they don't know how to do anything but name call. Okay, they don't. You're not wrong, you don't. They don't know how to, they don't know how to cite sources, um, and this is the thing we have taught people, that it's okay to make a claim of something and not cite your sources for it. People who do anonymous sources, I mean. I just answered a comment on the title holder page. Somebody made this kind of almost incendiary question about well, what do title holders actually do other than do posts for more contests and posts for fundraisers? And I finally said we do a lot more, and it's on Facebook under that Texas title holders thing.
Speaker 1:But we're going to come back to that here for a moment, so I want to read you back here in a little bit, Otherwise you get very and I love you so much and I know you go to a really quick tangent because people are going to wonder why what you're talking about has anything to do with kink.
Speaker 2:wonder why, why what you're talking about has anything to do with kink. And we're already what? 20 minutes into the podcast we haven't even gotten kinky yet, not yet, but here's.
Speaker 1:But here's the reason why we did this is why the reason why I'm doing what I'm doing because you know on this is here, because it has a lot to portray in the community that we're in here on this freaky friday is that you, as a person who genuinely loved what you love doing right period. Yes, you know, and you kept that separate. Yes, people knew who you were, but people didn't care until we're living in 2025, 2024 or rolling into 2025. People are starting to nitpick out a lot of people calling them out and say, oh well, this guy does this and this person does this and yeah, you know, he's got an only fans and everything, but it's just like we're.
Speaker 1:I'm still trying to make a living. People are still trying to make a living. Right, if you made, if you paid a teacher, you know, in the six digit figures for them they would be what they're worth, then we wouldn't do what we're doing right and we would be able to afford to live in a draconian thing like that, because we wouldn't have to do anything of that right, exactly, it's like then.
Speaker 1:It's like okay, now you can. You can walk on eggshells because you get paid. Well, that's your job. Yeah, but I see people who are on tiktok, who who have oh no f and teaching classes, who are workers in teaching classes, but they conquer and divide their stuff and I did and I did, but somebody it was an inside job, right, and that's what piss, piss people off.
Speaker 2:Um, you know, the thing is, karma's gonna get that person a year and a day.
Speaker 1:Karma's on its way oh yeah, of course, and so that, that's the thing about it. It's let's jump into some kinky stuff. Yeah, please, we need to. We need to get to some dirty stuff no, but I do love your story because you know, your story does tell a story about how we're trying to evolve in this community, or any community for that matter.
Speaker 2:We're just trying to live our life. Yeah, because Mr L and Cat Artemis are technically the same physical body, just two different personalities. It's two different existences. One is a guardian of children and is G-rated and would protect a child and take the bullet for them, and the other one, well, he takes stuff but it's not it's not exactly what you mean he takes something else um, what is I mean?
Speaker 1:I know a lot of it has been a lot, a lot has gone for it for you, a lot of it has been going for you and whatnot. I know that the strike of bdsm and kinky. How have you been dealing with this as of lately? What? What steps for you? Now that brings you into what. How do you separate what's going on in your real life to want to do a scene with me, like, say, tomorrow?
Speaker 2:like you're feeling this, but you know what, I hope so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we're like, you know we're doing this, you know what, what, so we're like you know we're doing this, you know what?
Speaker 2:what would it be like on that for you? Well, I mean, because I'm basically full-time master, full-time bdsm now, other than staying at home and working on my garden, right, I mean, I, I have kind of an exception to the rule. I can live leather all day long, 24, 7. Now, right, I, I get two pensions. I don't have to answer to anybody. I don't have to do a golden flow or a cup anymore with worry about an hr telling me to do something. Right, I have a luxury. Other people don't. So I guess, going back to all of that and kind of answering the question, you've got to balance everything very carefully and you guess you've got to be very clandestine about what you tell people at work. Um, if you know some places, they could care less, and other places, I mean obviously, like somebody who's working in a gay bar, they're not going to care.
Speaker 2:If you're kinky as well, I mean, in fact, that's probably the next step right, you know, but if if you're, if you're working in a place in three-piece suits and ties and all that stuff right, you might have to be a little more. Especially if you're working something like an hr or something like that, you're gonna have to be very careful with it, right? So, how do you prepare for a scene? How do I prepare for a scene? Well, part of that is the negotiations and deciding what we're going to do, and then from there, I have to get into that mental focus.
Speaker 2:If I'm going to be doing impact, of course I'm trying to figure out if they're thuddy or stingy and what they want, and a lot of times we're doing this together. But if it's something that we're going to prepare like for the next day, like electro or something like that, I have to start figuring out what they want and what equipment I'm going to bring. I have to get in a mindset for where am I going to hit this person for impact, or where am I going to zap this person?
Speaker 2:Or if I'm going to do something like pegging and anal play, which right yes, please, if I'm topping, I'm gonna have to start figuring out, you know, do I know what this person's abilities and limits are? I mean, how far can I stretch their ass open with girth and diameter and how deep can I stick it right, you know and worry about, is it going to go over the sigmund colon in the the junction? Because some toys will.
Speaker 1:They're long oh, very some of those, oh very some of those toys will get up there and reach in the next you know they're spitting it out of their mouth.
Speaker 1:You know it's like so there's where my bad dragon went exactly so when you're, when you're preparing for a scene, like, what is it what? What mental state are you always in? Because for me, I feel like I have. I'm in the state where I'm always in a constant flux. Yeah, the flux is is that I got my personal life? I keep fluctuating to that, but I've always felt like I'm always in a state of kink every single time, because I'm always craving or wanting it or needing it in some way, shape or form. Right, you are my brother, exactly, so my my thing is is that like, what is it when you I'm new to you and I'm coming to you and I say, hey, I'm, I'm, I'm ted, and I ted wants to do, uh, anal fisting with you, but he's never done it before, but he wants to get stretched out. What would be the calling card for you to be like, okay, this is what we need to do, this is like, what is it for you?
Speaker 2:Well, ted, I would say first of all, don't expect it to happen on the very first try. Fisting is a very extreme form of anal, it's actually edge play, in which case I would say let's see how far we can go safely. I've had people want to do big toys and then they realize something that's maybe at most an inch diameter is already making them struggle, right, okay, and which point I, as a dom, have to be responsible and, as a top, have to be responsible to say I'm not going to press this earlier because I'm already seeing your body having distress, correct, you have to watch your partner, um, especially if you are doming or topping, which are two different things, but they can often converge together, right, um, but you have to watch. You're the responsible one. As a dom, you're the responsible when you're managing the scene.
Speaker 2:As a top, you're the one inflicting the, uh, the, the sensation, whatever that happens to be. That is correct, and so you have to watch that. And so if ted is trying to go to a fisting on the first date, it's. You have to be realistic with them and tell them it's not probably going to happen on the first, unless they happen to be lying and saying they're a virgin. It turns out they could take both fists and a fire hydrant. You know, and then you know you teach classes on BDSM 101.
Speaker 1:Yes, every month. Classes um on bdsm 101? Yes, every month. So my one of the questions that we have here right now is um what has been your favorite class that you attended and taught by someone else? Oh, somebody else, yeah, oh, because I know that there was one that came by recently, right before kinky carnival. Goddess, is it goddess?
Speaker 2:indigo, I got us in to go, so she was in town.
Speaker 1:Recently she was in town on sunday, yeah right after I didn't get. I didn't get to go because I actually had toigo. I got us in to go, so she was in town recently.
Speaker 2:She was in town on sunday actually, yeah, right after I didn't get.
Speaker 1:I didn't get to go because I actually had to work. I got off at seven, so she was done by then. Um, yeah, so it's like shit, I missed it. But uh, other than that, what class would you? Who would?
Speaker 2:you. I mean you might remind me of god, I mean goddess, would I would probably anything from her you you would want go to. But my absolute favorite was actually one done by one of my masters, one of my not masters mentors, master Shack. He's still around, in fact. He bequeathed a lot of his materials to me when I started teaching 101.
Speaker 2:And he did one about hypnosis and he basically hypnotized somebody and he made them forget the number three and it was the weirdest thing ever to watch the guy count one, two, four, five, and he was counting on his hands and he somehow got to 11 and he was confused and he didn't understand why. So finally he had to tell him, okay, the number three exists. Cause he didn't. When somebody said, well, it's the number three, and says what? And he's like he literally did not know what we were saying, he thought that was a form, wow. So it was like cause he used to be uh, he, he was a therapist, hypnotherapist before he and he mixed it in with his BDSM.
Speaker 2:So he's one of those people that taught a lot of that and so when I watched that and I watch all this I was like I need to be careful if he stares at me. Maybe I got only knows what, but he told me that you can do some serious things with the mind because a lot of our kink is in our mind Very much so and a lot of our chemicals that get released are in the mind. So if you can do stuff like that, he actually snapped his finger and said a certain word to somebody else and they started laying there having anal orgasms and it was like nothing's happening to you. It's like your prostate's going crazy and you're orgasming and you're moaning and you're groaning and you're like on the floor and it's like. This is interesting. I want to learn more about this.
Speaker 1:I've never actually pursued that, but I know there's a lot of hypno groups and stuff like that there's a lot of stuff that I haven't gotten to pursue, a whole lot that I'm very interested in. I know, know that there's fire flogging. That's an actual thing, yes, it is. I wanted to learn that or get to experience that as well. So there was that. And I know that there's ElectroPlay.
Speaker 2:I teach that.
Speaker 1:Which you do, because I do like ElectroPlay from you and I do it a little bit on my own a little bit, but I do it on me and I get to try it on some of my boys too as well that enjoy it. But mine's not as high tech as yours are, you know. At least I even though I spent probably roughly about the same amount of money as you do. But you find some really fucking cool gadgets.
Speaker 2:I find some nasty toys. You really do.
Speaker 1:And I'm just like, because I know we had. It was me, pop Rat. It was at your pool party and we were playing. You were doing the lecture toy for some reason. Whatever time you do it, you shocked him. The chain that I was like chilling on it fucking shocked me as well, and then his hair was giving me the like, so you were like getting a double whammy out of both of us fucking loving it.
Speaker 1:I know, I know you were loving it and it was just a lot of fun, because I've always told people that I've been in the kinky community for almost 15 years, give or take, and I've been a handler for pups for almost about five or six years, give or take, um, but it's like I'm still learning the scene of the bdsm community. So when I tell people, yeah, I'm, I'm daddy jay, and they're like, oh, what makes you a daddy? Why do you call me? Because I'm not. I'm not as mean as a sir. I don't think sirs are mean either, because I know sirs can be very playful, they can be. And then you've got the masters. It's like I'm not anointed by any masters, so I already knew that part already. So I'm not going to go and call myself a master. Like what are you a master of? I'm like a master of being a bitch, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean master takes on several connotations and there's a lot of people that if they are in the master-slave dynamic then, yes, that slave refers to them as a master. And sometimes when you meet somebody in a public session you have them introducing themselves as like master so-and-so and slave so-and-so, and you can see there's actually a master-slave dynamic on there. But for the community to have to call them that, that's a different thing. You know, the covering ceremony that I had was held by was first of all done in a gay bar. Yeah, it was, and there were people that would normally never go to a gay bar that were there. And it was the community, not just the gay part of the community, but even the straights were there and it was a whole pansexual thing. So when I was covered, it was like people that would never, I would never have dreamed to be at that bar.
Speaker 2:Uh, did it? So it was an absolute surprise. I thought they were there because they were wanting to help us with the fundraiser. You know, no, they were, but it was like it was to cover me and it was. That was so a lot. There was one time somebody asked me when we were covering somebody else, when the local leavenman here were giving a more cap to somebody, it's well, why isn't he a master? Then I said well, what is he doing for our trans? What is he doing for our lesbians?
Speaker 2:What is he doing for our straights? What is he doing for our non-binaries? You're focusing predominantly on gay leather men for the most part, and yes, we have some trans, we have some women there, but what are you doing overall for the entire community, speaking of trans people?
Speaker 1:yes, let's talk about uh an event that's been the trans awareness day trans awareness day, but let's talk about something that has been really on everyone's mind lately, and that's uh grizzly bears pines. Yeah, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 2:I went there for two different events at one point.
Speaker 1:I've never been, but their statement did not sit well with me.
Speaker 2:No, I will not go to there anymore after I heard that there's another campsite that is welcoming everybody and they're going to have to because we have in our Leatherman groups we have trans people and if you're going to tell us we can't let some of our people in, there is going to be a problem.
Speaker 2:We're not gonna and I and I applaud the houston bears and the rgb bears for pulling out of their events over there because it's it's not right. I mean, I think they've made the wise decision. I found it to be a lot of cheek to do the, the, the letter on trans awareness day from grizzly pines, to see that it was like it really got a lot of people upset and it really infuriated me because my dungeon, that I teach predominantly and I teach in several places when people ask me to do stuff, but where I teach at munches, you can sit around the, the circle or the the fire pit when it's lit and there's every walk of life there. And how in the world could I look at my non-binary or my trans or only all the other identifications? How could I look them in the eye and say you don't belong there? Or how could I support somebody that's not going to be all inclusive, right? I mean, I understand especially I call myself a recovering traditionalist.
Speaker 2:Um, the same and I understand that. Yeah, there may be sometimes that there may be an event or something I go to, that's, I'm attracted to a certain thing, but I don't, I don't, I don't support saying you don't belong on something like that. Right, I'm actually applauding austin kink weekend for now introducing the title mix mix texas leather uh, allowing for that, I mean well, that's good.
Speaker 1:That's good because I mean, going back to what you just said that traditionalist, um, I I'm the same way too as well, because I, I remember just recently, not too long ago, on the slice of life page, I know that we, we know somebody who was very white right wing, who's a pop too as well, that I won't bring up in here.
Speaker 1:Uh, there were some things that I I have said that it kind of like was like, oh, I can't believe you said that, because I wasn't I'm always for everybody or whatnot, but I'm also somebody who's still continuing to learn, right? So if you're going to call me out on something, I'm, I'm willing to listen. I'm like, okay, let me listen here, because what if I am wrong on certain occasions about the trans community, the kids and whatnot, who are trying to transition and be able to understand that a little bit more? So, yeah, I did, I did understand a little bit more and I realized that how much I was in the wrong with all of that too as well. But I've also wanted people to know that. You know, they always have a place of welcoming and I want to be very very exclusive, uh, to that.
Speaker 1:So I just want to make sure that people that Like, when they hear this and they hear you, and they go like, well, wasn't he friends with such and such? And I was like, let me, let me brag track here a little bit, because I did cut my ties with this person. I am no longer talking to this person, that person, what he does is entirely to him. I did call him out on Facebook. Everyone knows this already and I think a lot of people were surprised that I had called them out on it, because I can be friends with anybody.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter your belief, it doesn't matter who you voted for or whatnot. As long as we can stay cordial, what you believe in is what you believe in. What you stand in is what you stand in. Right, when I heard about that, it was kind of hard, because I do play with everybody. I play with trans people, I play with males, females, I play with trans people, I play with, and I do too, males, females, all of that too, as well, and there's nothing in my, my book or whatnot. At the end of the day, am I still gay? Yes, I am, because that's what I like. Yeah, right, so, so it was just so hard for me because I'm just like I can't. I can't do it.
Speaker 1:But I did find another place that I want to go to in september. Um, that I found it was because I remember we told you before whole grizzly pines. I was like, hey, I wanted to go to grizzly pines because they're having the little yeah pup night type thing going on or there's a lot of people pulling their pulling their syventa. So I found another place where you have to like kind of camp out or whatnot or whatever.
Speaker 2:I think that's Nakti.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, nakti, yeah, so that's.
Speaker 2:I would recommend going there. The owners are very, very friendly. I actually know them and I will support them 100%. That's why the Leathermen actually go out there to Nakti.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So there was one on September 19th, 20th and the 21st with Pops, yeah, and I found a place right next to the pond. I'm like, well, that's actually like a nice place to camp out right by the pond, because that would just seem like a lot of fun there, for whatever reason. Oh yeah. So I said, okay, cool. I told hubby that's what I wanted to do for my birth a late, late birthday, if you will, because we'll be moving out in august so there's gonna be too much shit going on. Yeah. So, um, I said, okay, cool, we can do something there Now, we'll have some fun. And I told Pup Rad and Pup Grim let's go out there and have some fun, have a good time. And whatnot.
Speaker 2:That's where I first met Pup Rad, at NACTI.
Speaker 1:Was it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and before I even knew he was married to Pup Grim, he told me he said he had a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:He said he had a lot of fun. Oh yeah, and don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2:I absolutely love Rad and Grim.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I'm glad that each have respective daddies. You're Rad's daddy and Grim is Isaac's Isaac's daddy, and so it's like.
Speaker 1:Speaking of which, speaking of Isaac and Kinky Carnival, because I went the other day and I actually spoke to them, both of them and I took them side by side and spoke to them him and I kind of was like you know what, I think it's time that I I wanted to apologize, uh, to isaac at first and whatnot. He was just like, well, I thought we were cool, whatnot. I'm like, as I told cat, I am cordial with you. Yeah, I was like, and there was a difference, because it's his house. Yeah, doesn't mean I fully accepted to what the terms. I was like. The reason I'm saying this now is because I am actually being the better person, yeah, and wanting to apologize, so everything. Kareem was the same way too. Um, he already knows I am.
Speaker 1:The reason why I was so upset with him is because, you know, I helped him grow. Didn't? They really acknowledge a whole lot of people who helped him grow? Yeah, so I called him out on that because it kind of hurts, it stings, you know, because when you're trying to lift somebody up and trying to do something in the kinky community because you believe in somebody, and a lot of people have their nose up in the fucking air and sometimes you got to bring their noses back down. Look, I get it. I know I'm an asshole, I'm a dick, I know that's just who I am, that's my persona. But only the weak cannot survive me and only the strong can. Yeah, and this is why I yeah, but people are like what's that have to do with anything? Well, because in the kinky world I won't tolerate anybody who is going to have their nose so far of the ass that they're too good to be with anybody period or be able to play with somebody because of a stereotype body or the way they look or how they are.
Speaker 1:That frustrates me oh yeah, that frustrates me a whole lot. So that was kind of like the thing. Uh, that night at kinky garner we had a rough play, but anywho, that was, that was then, that was, this is now. I'm not going to give those people the time and attention either, uh on it. So what would, how would you, um, how do you, how have you handled, uh, the kinky community thus far? Like, how has it uh molded you, how much has it shaped you and how much are you still?
Speaker 2:learning. I'm constantly learning. A good teacher is always learning. We'll start with that. That's the easiest part of the question. The reality is the kinky side of it really started to develop when things like the annex closed and we couldn't all gather.
Speaker 2:So if I wanted to go do something, I had to start hanging around the pansexuals in the streets, right, and that's where I really. I mean, I already started working on my flogging technique, but I had a young puppy that I would take out on a friday night to this sex negative dungeon, meaning no sex allowed. But you know all the bdsm you want and I would flog. I would paddle him and then flog him and then zap him and then we would go in the cool down room. He would fall asleep on my chest and a good puppy. He would just sniff down on my chest and go to sleep and I would hold him for like 45 minutes. He'd wake up and say Daddy, I'm okay now. And I had to learn because as we sat around the couch and talked about stuff and shared what was going on, I had the opportunity to ask questions to other people who were known leaders especially Master Shack and his slave, or his husband now and ask, question after question after question after question. Yeah, and I was like I finally started apologizing to Master Shack about I'm sorry I asked so many questions, but he had said your questions are well-formed and they're actually showing me you want to know stuff, right. And so this is the thing.
Speaker 2:When I'm in the kink community and I'm teaching these classes, it's because I want to teach people things I've known, especially the ones about technique, right, about electro technique or impact technique or anal technique and things like that. But I also want to talk about the other things, about relationships, contracts, what a negotiation is, and that's why I do these questions. That's why I do the 101 every month, because there's always newcomers coming in that don't even know what a scene is Right, they don't understand. And they come to something and they haven't been to it yet and they do something, figuring, oh, this is going to be okay. And they find out they committed a major faux pas or they get shunned at all of a sudden. They just walked in not knowing any better. There's a lot of things that the clientele or the vibe is different. If you go to a gay bathhouse, people are going to touch each other. People are going to touch you until you push them away or they're going to.
Speaker 2:That's the way it used to be and the attitude is there that if you're there, you want it, You're looking for it Do you feel that when you walk into a bathhouse it's okay for other people to touch each other.
Speaker 1:Do you think that's consensual once you walk?
Speaker 2:in to a bathhouse. I don't've. I've made it very clear like I'm also usually when I'm in a bathhouse, I'm putting on my chaps and I've got my moire cap on and I've got my flogger by my side. Yeah, so I'm kind of scary to begin with because, because it's back to that, oh, he's a kinky one, I need to stay away from him, right, you know. But uh, it's like, but I don't like that when somebody comes up and starts rubbing and and I'm kind of like, unless I like them. But yeah, you need to ask, because when you go to a dungeon, even asking to hug and all this, may I hug you or I'll extend my arms and they'll come running into my arm and I prefer that better. But even some swingers clubs from what my straight counterparts are telling me, a woman has to escort you to the play places, right. So that's why I won't bother going. I'm not going to spend $200 to be a single male and wait for a female to pick me up, because it's like I'm not freaking interested, exactly.
Speaker 2:If you've got a husband that wants to play with me. Yeah, you can watch, but you can't touch. I had a thing I was getting ready to play with somebody.
Speaker 1:I did like the Temple of F, temple of flesh, because the masters that are there, they have the little badges and you know that they and they know who I was oh man they're hard. I mean not in a bad way, but they're very hard, they're strict, they have to be right because I've had some run-ins with like, with some rules breaking, because I think I wrote I wore crocs one day. You know you can't wear those. It's like, dude I I wasn't, I just had an epilogue episode. Once of all, I'm wearing these three.
Speaker 2:If you want me to walk barefooted, that is fine, I'll walk fucking barefooted if anything, and it doesn't always make sense either, because it's like what you walk in with, it's like I'm going to be naked in a few minutes. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:At the same time, I'm just like why do Crocs? Why does what I'm wearing on my feet dictate to what's going on? You know what I mean. You're a gay man and you have crocs. I am a gay man and I have crocs, and the only reason I had crocs on that day was because I was already dealing with a lot of foot pain, epilepsy, everything else, and the only thing that fucking fit me that night were crocs oh and emily yeah, that's all you can judge all you want.
Speaker 2:I have been accused of being Miranda Priestly.
Speaker 1:That makes both of us.
Speaker 2:I know that day. There was one time at Austin Kink Weekend two years ago that the Miranda came out. You know what that is fair.
Speaker 2:That is fair because Because I had two puppies with me, uh-huh, and one of them you know because he used to be a co-host with you a long time ago, oh, okay, okay. Well, he was at the time. He was a puppy with me and somebody else was also there Naha was with me, uh-huh, and if Naha ever hears this, I want you back as a boy, but he's one of them that I would allow the return policy for. So so they're walking with me and they're flanking me on either side and we're doing this and I had we actually had signals, because I was one of the judges and I needed to go meet everybody in that back area of sir rats and austin and I had little signals to let them know, to do something to interrupt me and get the conversation so I could end the conversation and move on and go and meet everybody.
Speaker 2:Well then we went inside to go shopping and what they decided to do is they went back out there to go hang out with the puppies and they left their master by themselves shopping, oh shit. And then I finished purchasing and I stood out in the front of the front of Austin, surratt leather, and I did the pursing of the lips and this one puppy down at uh, down in, uh, corpus Christi. He does a lot of bones. Yes, tony, tony, shout out to Tony too, I love him dearly. Um, he saw me and he was like he caught the purse lips and he was like master, what's wrong? And it says, and I started with the where are my puppies that are supposed to be on my side, sir, why is it's time to go on to the Austin Eagle? Why is nobody ready? He ran into the crowd, found them, grabbed them by their shirts and threw them in front of me.
Speaker 1:He said don't you leave your fucking master again. It's like we're sorry, sir.
Speaker 2:So we all got in the truck and Tony bummed a ride with us to the, to the all-star eagle that he disappeared somewhere.
Speaker 1:But I think, uh, kinky carnival was the first time, I think, in a very long time. I think it was. I don't know if it's our first time. I hopefully pop rad can actually uh correct me on this one. I'm not too sure, but it's the first time that me and rad have actually been out as master and dom.
Speaker 1:I mean kinky carnival, kinky carnival, okay yeah that's the first time that mean him was and he is as the handler and he's my pup. I I wore my hood that day but I wasn't feeling the hood so I switched over to my daddy. J hat, yeah, uh, it was. That was the first time that me and him were together and he was by my side. He had the. I would have him go check on his husband occasionally and then I'd tell him come back or whatnot, and then he was playing with other people and I would have him sit. He was by my leg. He was being a very good boy. But I've heard, but you know, throughout the entire night he stayed by my night. I kept him.
Speaker 2:I was holding him.
Speaker 1:We went to the back and did our thing and outside and um, you know, I got to meet a lot of people back, by the way, I do too, I really do. But anyhow, that kinky carnival, I actually 100 thoroughly enjoyed myself. It was the first time I've actually got to have pup uh, my pup in my hand, by my side 24, 7, uh, there by my side. Every single step that I had, that's a beautiful feeling.
Speaker 1:It really was a beautiful feeling and you know what, and I miss that feeling and if and I feel as somebody who's always busy I do feel neglected, like I've neglected my pups a lot, though, and they've been very, very generous to me one of the other one.
Speaker 2:Very much so, because when you don't give your subs enough time and permission, go back and read the story of nella on a fat life, um, which I love, by the way, which is the problem. Uh, my very first boy, nella, and of course the name is spelled backwards. If you didn't miss the other podcast, yeah, um, he left me because I wasn't giving him enough attention and he had two other boyfriends and the one boyfriend basically convinced him I wasn't interested and I was so busy being critical of him that things fell apart and it was my fault.
Speaker 1:Nate, don't get me wrong, I don't ever. I'm never hard on him. I'm never hard on him because I'd never want to be hard on my own boy. Yeah, let alone. I treated like if I was my own relationship with my husband for almost nine years.
Speaker 2:Right, I'm always encouraging you're gonna do the positive and investing in the time with it because he's like he wanted to do and go for.
Speaker 1:Uh, mister, he wanted to run for the leather competition and everything else. I said, okay, you can. I was like, just remember, there's a lot of work that goes into it I'd say title holders yes, so I was like because he goes. Hey, he asked me how come I haven't done a title holder. I was like for one, I'm a busy bee. Two, I've already got my own shit going on. Three, I don't need a title holder to put myself out there because I'm already out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was like if you ask anybody, either people are going to love me or hate me or they want to talk shit behind my back here's the thing you need, and the other thing I tell people is you need to be already doing some of the work before you do the title. The title does not give you the right to start doing the work. You should already be doing it, right? Um, I'm gonna go out of soap opera here. Get ready, folks. This is some things about title holders this is a master cut.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna give you a two minute rant.
Speaker 2:Okay, so here it is. Um, when you're a title holder, you should already be doing the work. Um, understand that when you get a title, it now obligates you to some of these things instead of you getting to choose them. And that's one of the things when people ask well, why do you want to be Mr Texas Leather? You've already got three titles and you're already covered. Why else would you do it? Well, because now I'm not working, I have the time to do a lot of this stuff during the week and on the weekends. Do all these appearances that you have to do, and some of them basically become mandatory. I mean, if you read the rules, you have to find at least six appearances you make. But I guarantee, if you only do the six, that's where people going to talk about you saying you're lazy. Yeah, and that's the problem. If you're going to be a title holder, you've got to understand you're going to have to do a lot of work.
Speaker 1:You're asking for the job to be up in front why do these title holders have their nose so far up their hair?
Speaker 2:because some of them think they're beautiful and that some of them want it because they're pretty, not because they're functional. Some of the contests you win because you look good in a jockstrap, not because you you tested. It really depends what they asked for in an interview and that's a big fight. I mean, I get into fights with people all about the time because some people they're pretty and that's all they can talk about is how pretty they are. Look at me, okay, and that is.
Speaker 2:That is a problem pretty and functional are not always the same thing is is there a particular body type for leather?
Speaker 1:do you have to be fit to be in leather? Do you have to. I mean I'm not, I know you're not and I know I'm not, but I'm just saying is there, do you have to? I mean, I know you're not and I know I'm not, but I'm just saying do you have to be a particular look? Do you have to be more masculine or can you be feminine?
Speaker 2:Do you have? Can you be a?
Speaker 1:man, or can you be a woman?
Speaker 2:in leather Leather in itself, and I'm glad because shout out to our leather sisters, and our trans siblings as well, on this Leather in and of itself is an attitude. It really is. It is an attitude. It really is. It is an attitude. Now I have a graphic I put together for me and my boys of my house when I had them honor, integrity, temperance, trust. I don't care what you look like, have those, have respect. Then leather where. Learn how to wear the leather and make it fit and look right on you. So, if you're a big boy, wear the size 6X and rock that thing, right. Okay. If you're a size XXS, eat a cheeseburger and then wear an XS. Okay, I'm sorry not to dismiss, I'm a big boy and I'm hungry and I will eat you. And then, and then love has got six different verbs for it Right.
Speaker 2:Including. You know, not everybody thinks about eros. You know the sex part of leather, but there's the agape and the filejo, which are kind of the brotherhood, and the other one that's a feel-good one. And then there's self-love as well, where you've got to also love yourself. Some of the people that are the ugliest to other people is because, deep down, they don't love themselves Exactly to also love yourself. Some of the people that are the ugliest to other people is because, deep down, they don't love themselves exactly. And when I can see a brother or sister or sibling, whatever they wish to be called, even if they're not wearing leather I'm not wearing leather today, but you can still see and feel the leather in me. Right, I'm wearing the tackiest pink shorts ever.
Speaker 1:I would never be caught dead in a leather bar with this I I got the pressing lips of Miranda Priestly right now. Yes, but I'm not wearing Crocs and my white socks match my white T-shirt.
Speaker 2:I have a black hat on and black shoes to do the black on the outside white on the T-shirt and the socks. Right in the middle is pink with my shorts and my jockstrap, so I've got it all color coordinated. You can see the jock if you want. It matches. I know I can see it from here. Yeah, you can see it.
Speaker 1:But it's funny because I've always told people it's kind of hard to battle anybody that's in the community. That is pretty, because you do have people who are very pretty, who are very good looking, people right, and they have their nose so fucking started, they ask ass. But sometimes when they see me it comes back down because they know I'm gonna call them out. I'm like why, hey, bring your nose down just a little bit. And they see me just like hey, hey, hey, daddy, how are you? I'm just like I'm doing good. I was like, did I, did I see that nose there for a moment? No, I was like I'm saying hi to everybody, I'm, I'm mingling with everybody. I was like, boy, don't, don't, let me find out you're having that nose bar up your ass, because you don't need that shit. You have to remember.
Speaker 2:I mean, I used to be the speaker dancer in the 80s or 90s. I danced on the speakers at the max you used to dance on rocks.
Speaker 1:What the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 2:Well, I did that too. I had to avoid the lava. That's how I stayed on beat.
Speaker 1:You were the original Lava's on the floor.
Speaker 2:Lava coming, lava coming out of something besides the mountain, so much trouble tomorrow. Yeah, I know you will be okay, so it's okay, but um I'll tell y'all stories.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you just wait, we've added impact to the scene you know, we haven't done a good impact scene in a very, very long time, so I will definitely love floggers out first, before we do all this stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm down so, if nothing else, I flog you as a top, you peg me as a bottom. So yeah, we go.
Speaker 1:We got a perfect dynamic.
Speaker 2:You get perfect dynamic, but the thing is even the most body beautiful and I was a speaker dancer in the 90s. I did it at the max when I was sneaking out and doing that stuff. I was an aerobics instructor and a kickbox instructor and I could wear the little crop tops and all that stuff. Right, I mean, I was. I was, I guess, hot at the time. Um, you still are well, thank you good answer.
Speaker 1:So would it only be one correct answer to that master cat? I am not trying to get killed.
Speaker 2:The body does change I even know I even know some people that they not only were, you know, using their body as beautiful, they were using it to make their money. Basically, they were a person of the night, and now that they're older and they're not as pretty as, say, the new 18 or 21-year-old that's come out, they've lost their clients and they don't know what to do now. They've never had a function or a purpose. The problem is with a lot of people if they rely only on pretty and never really get to know people when it's time that pretty doesn't work for them anymore and it will ultimately happen. It may take 20 years, it may take 30 years. When pretty doesn't work for you anymore, what skills have you got now?
Speaker 2:oh, that's a yeah, that's a million dollar fucking question that's, that's the thing, and I see that's where bitter queens come in.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:You know when.
Speaker 1:You can't be pretty forever.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean.
Speaker 1:Beauty fades, at least forever. Yeah, well, that's true. I mean, look at this.
Speaker 2:But the thing is it's a lot of what I look at. I mean, we haven't even gotten to the white witch bit of it, but for me I look at the soul and for me I look at the soul. And this is where, going back to a lot of the questions you asked about trans and other groups, I look at the person's soul and I look at the person's heart. First, the body is beautiful, but that's simply a container for the person. I look at their feelings, I look at their. So I ask them those questions how are you doing? And I look straight in their eyes, right like I'm doing right now to you, and maybe it's because I have empathic bits or whatever it is, but I want to know that person that way.
Speaker 2:That's why, when I sit around that fire and I talk to people, it's on those levels, about what's going on in their life, and that's where leather is. That's where leather is. Yes, we outwardly express it with our clothes, but if you make only the fashion or only the physique your point of leather, yes, get it. Kinky carnival is a fashion show. It really is. It's about everybody being sexy. But leather goes so much further than that. That's where the education comes in. That's where the relationships come in. Like I said, a lot of my leather brothers.
Speaker 1:I can see them out of leather we got four minutes and I want to ask you one important question, because everything you're giving me is fucking fantastic. Yes, I'm going to give you two minutes on this, maybe three on it, and we'll do our closing here. Um, what advice would you give those who are trying to get into leather community? Where do they need to start and where do they need to go?
Speaker 2:first of all bdsm 101 and maybe history of leather. If you really want to go into the specifically leather thing, um, I would get them the very first thing. I would get them. Of course we gift leather to people. I would get them a vest or I would get them a harness. Um, I have also gifted chaps to people, um, so the physical gift or something like that. I know the leatherman give the little tag that they can put their pins on and all that stuff, which is a wonderful thing too.
Speaker 2:I would get somebody to mentor and understand what's going on. Really, get the one-on-ones down first before you go out there and understand what you're going to see. When you go to a leather bar, what are you going to see? If you go to a dungeon or a play party or something like that, it you gotta be prepared for it, but even then you still can't be completely prepared for it. Like when you first went to temple the first time, I couldn't describe it to you. I can tell you what was happening, but until you walk in that door and you see everything that's going on, you can't really fathom it.
Speaker 2:So you need somebody that's been there for a while, like me, as a mentor, too, that turn around and walk you in and show you this and show you around. That's what I do. That's what I do now as I mentor all over the place and show you around. That's what I do. That's what I do now as I mentor all over the place. I meet a new boy or I meet a new person interested in leather, no matter where their walk of life is he, him, they, them and that's what I do. This is our culture, this is what's going on and all that kind of stuff, and that's really what I do, right?
Speaker 1:See, I have leather myself too as well. So you've seen my leather jackets, right? Yes, and I've seen your beautiful pink vest.
Speaker 1:I love it, my beautiful pink vest. I love it so much because I resonate it with my. I'm such a fucking nerd because I am a big Dragon Ball Z fan and I do the whole like Majin Buu and whatnot. So I put the big O-M on there for Majin, because it only it resonates, because I'm just like you. I'm also a witch as well. You're just, you're more of a wiccan, so you're white. I'm more of chaos, so majin buu happens to play I have yin and yang yeah, literally.
Speaker 1:And then I have my purple one that my best friend's going to work on there for me and it's going to be one of my favorite characters, which is going to be frieza, and she's going to hand draw everything on there. So what I wanted to do is like, if you can hand draw everything on there for me, you're going to get a lot of people in the leather community that's going to come to you because you know how to draw and do all of this shit. So, yeah, she's, she's fucking fantastic.
Speaker 1:That's why I want you to meet her, so much.
Speaker 2:And your pink vest also flags pink for dildo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2:Speaking of which I'll see you tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Until we meet again. So this has been the Mature Mischief Podcast, and I appreciate you, kat, for coming on here and being a wonderful, wonderful co-host filling in for Sister D or, in this case, delicious D here for us on Freaky Friday, as always. You can always find Kat Artemis on any of his Facebook, instagram, and also on FetLife, too, as well.
Speaker 2:Especially.
Speaker 1:FetLife, especially Fet instagram, and also on fetlife too as well, especially fetlife, especially fetlife. He's very, very active on there. Remember, fetlife is not a dating app, so don't try to. It's not like grinder or tinder, I mean, if you want to ask questions it's facebook for kinksters yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1:So it's a lot of fun because there is one person that's on there I don't, I don't know their name, but they uh really quickly before, because I only got a few seconds here. Um, they have fish hooks on the vagina or whatnot, and oh, it's so beautiful. Yes, it is so fucking beautiful. So, whoever they are, shout out to you uh read my dissertations.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes and uh. Of course, you can always find us on all of our platforms here. We are definitely on spotify, apple iheart radio too. As well. Look for us on there. Make sure you like and subscribe and share to all of our platforms, and I appreciate you and, as always, thank you for tuning into the Mature Mischief Podcast. I am your host, daddy J and Master Cat. Thank you, I appreciate it so much. Thank you Until we meet again next time.
Speaker 2:Love y'all.
Speaker 1:Bye.
