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Leather Brothers: The Sacred Rituals and Unspoken Rules of Kink
Master Cat makes his triumphant return to the podcast, diving straight into all things BDSM with a special focus on the highly-anticipated Austin Kink Week. As a veteran attendee of all previous iterations of this event, he breaks down what makes this gathering so special – from educational workshops to competitions, vendor markets, and the vibrant sense of community that permeates the weekend.
The conversation takes a heartfelt turn as both hosts share stories about leather traditions and gift-giving within the BDSM community. Master Cat recounts a particularly moving moment when he received a custom-crafted flogger from a leather colleague – a gesture that transcended the physical item to represent brotherhood and acceptance within their community. Similarly, Daddy J discusses his tradition of gifting pup hoods to his boys, highlighting how these exchanges strengthen bonds and create meaningful connections.
Perhaps most valuable for listeners curious about kink practices is the frank discussion about proper bottoming techniques. Both experienced dominants share surprisingly detailed information about preparation, cleaning routines, and best practices for anal play. Their candid approach demystifies aspects of BDSM that often go undiscussed, emphasizing safety, comfort, and communication throughout. Master Cat's specific advice about hydration, fiber intake, and thorough cleaning demonstrates the level of care and preparation that responsible play requires.
Between educational moments, the natural chemistry between these longtime friends shines through their playful banter and competitive stories. Their easy rapport reveals how BDSM dynamics can incorporate humor, friendship, and mutual respect alongside power exchange. For newcomers and experienced practitioners alike, this episode offers a perfect blend of practical wisdom, community insight, and authentic conversation from two respected voices in the kink scene.
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what's up, gremlins? Welcome back to another podcast. My name is daddy j. I hope everyone is doing it and doing it well. You know the drill. This is the mature mischief podcast. Welcome back to another freaky friday of the mature mischief podcast, of course. Welcome back here is master cat. He was on here last week talking about all the good stuff about BDSM culture and what happened to him as well, and basically pouring his heart out, giving everything he needed to and getting out what he needed to on his chest too as well. So now he feels good, feels relaxed, and now he's ready to tackle on more stuff about kink as well, since, you know, it's coming up here. It's Austin Kink Week. It's coming up here in April too, as well. So for a lot of the people who are going over there, this will be releasing on that day. It will be releasing on that day. So this is going to be a lot of fun. You're going to be in Austin Kink Week as well, right.
Speaker 1:So that's going to be a lot of fun, uh, especially my room, uh, yeah. So what? What goes into? Uh, before we go into that, uh, let me finish off this here really quickly, because otherwise I am throwing my whole groove off here. I know it, you know it, the whole world fucking knows it. I like saying my name twice. I am your host, daddy jay, and of course, dd is not here with us on this kinky friday. Delicious d would normally would be here, but Kat is actually filling in for us too. So, master Kat, appreciate you so much for our nice little filibuster here for us today. Now, what goes into Austin Kink Week and what do people need to expect for it?
Speaker 2:Well, this is going to be the fourth one and I've been to all of them. In a nutshell, what they are is there's a lot of classes that are BDSM related. So if you wanted to learn things about different aspects of kink, this is a good place to go, because a lot of good speakers are coming in to do stuff. Last year I talked about Intro to Electro when I was there it was with Miss Anna and I did that one. So there's a lot of things to go there. But the big thing everybody draws for is the contests and that on Saturday night there will be the pup handler, pup and handler and boot black contests and that will happen on Saturday, and then on Sunday will be the Mr, miss and Mix Texas Leather, which Mix is new this year, which is really exciting, because that is for non-binary or trans or anybody who wants to fit into there where they don't want to be specifically mister or miss.
Speaker 2:Uh, the other things there are parties going on. The austin eagle supports a lot of those things. There's a vendor market to find, like anything under the sun that has to do with king. You want a new flogger, you're gonna find somebody for. Like, you want a new harness there you go.
Speaker 1:There was a pup hood that I wanted that was at uh, I'm not sure it was the texas barrel roundup. I don't know if that same person would be there, possibly, possibly, possibly, but I was looking for it because it was just half one. It was super bright pink. I loved it so, so much. But I won't be there, unfortunately, because I did not prepare, uh, long enough for it so to even wanted to go up there. So I've always, every time these events come up, I'm always forgetting about them yeah, whatnot.
Speaker 2:And events. Events like this you need to plan well ahead of.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, that's the only way I can do these, because you gotta save up the money for it shopping over there, please let me know, and I can send you the money.
Speaker 2:If you see something that I may you know what I may, I may go, I may go live on you with telegram or something like that. He said look at all this stuff, look at all this stuff.
Speaker 2:I've done that before people get a little leery about cameras and all that stuff, uh, but the vendors mark is kosher for that kind of stuff. I believe jacob's gonna kill me otherwise if I said something wrong. There were pucks gonna kill me if I say something wrong on that. But the thing is it's about classes, it's about the contests, it's about the parties, it's about people coming from all over texas that are any kind of faction of kink and all LGBTQ and straight and transsexual, and all that stuff is going to be there. This is not just leather, this is everything Right. So this is, and it's all contained for the most part in the host hotel, with some things happening at the Austin Eagle. They've even had sometimes in previous years they had something at Sir Rat at the time. So yeah, uh it. You know, you just have to watch that.
Speaker 2:The schedule is kind of out already. If you get to the event knee, they already have the schedule and they're moving things around. I know that I'm helping with a social with the texas leather society, a speed dating thing to talk about that group. That's kind of merging all the leather groups together. I know the san antonio leatherman is also hosting a social as well, right, uh. So there's all those things. There's parties, there's dungeons that are going to be there and all that kind of stuff. So, um, it's just a weekend that, if you're a kingster, that's a place to go. It's one of the last major events before iml happens in may, so a lot of iml contestants will come here to meet their classmates, right, and that's how I met a lot of mine the last two years.
Speaker 1:Then you have some of the blue, blue, black competition.
Speaker 2:And the blue black competition. I know my husband's sunshine is in it.
Speaker 1:Sunshine is going to be in it. I know there was another one there.
Speaker 2:I don't know that person.
Speaker 1:I know her.
Speaker 2:Fuck, know that person? She, uh, I know her. Uh, fuck, she's gonna kill me if you think it's. It's beck. She had to back out, is it beck? Becks had to back out. Oh, did she really? She had to back out. She. She said that. Uh, unfortunately she couldn't get the paid time off to go and do all the stuff you need to do that's the other thing about it now I one of the reasons I'm excited about this is, I guess one of the selling points I have is I am available now I I, I'm double retired, uh, so I can go and do these events on the weekends.
Speaker 2:In fact, stewart's going to be very glad to let me go get out of here. You've been driving me crazy all this time because I'm home all day with him and he has to look at this all damn day and that would drive anybody nuts people at the end of a cedar like, okay, master cat, I'm done, we've done the aftercare.
Speaker 1:Go the fuck away yeah, no, I get it. I get it, yeah, because me and my husband are the same way like we. There was a. There's a time, like I think, on vacation, when we just saw each other so much and we just looked at we need a vacation from each other.
Speaker 2:I was like already, like jesus, you know, but no no, there's a certain time you still have to be an individual, and I love my, I love my spouse, I love my husband dearly, and when I had a house full of boys, I love them too. Uh, but you know, there's a certain point where I've got to be by myself, especially like because I like to do meditations and things like that. I that's why I get up at six in the morning and the coffee zombie gets up at eight and oh, can we?
Speaker 2:talk about the coffee zombie. Real quick, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Okay, this dude is gonna kill me if he hears this oh well, if it's gonna be that, then yeah, go ahead, speak on it, yeah because I'll be dead when I get back from austin king. I win congratulations because he's going to hear it.
Speaker 2:And then the runner-up is going to get the title because I'll be dead. The next day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly so anyway, I get up normally as best as I can at six in the morning and when I get up I light my incense, I turn my cards and my oracles and I log all that in and then I go to the computer and I type in my thoughts and my feelings for the day and I have a journal that goes every day. I turn a whole bunch of oracles and I log all that in. Sometimes, if it's more intensive, I start writing long stuff. It's like basically a really long journal. It's been going on for like two years now, Wow, and so it'd be interesting, after I pass, for somebody to read all this stuff. Like what the fuck was Kat thinking here?
Speaker 1:He really thought that, and it's like so yeah, I would love to read that One day. You will Wait till I die, first Delete my browser history. No, at that point I don't give a shit.
Speaker 2:What are you going to do? Come to the afterlife and get me?
Speaker 2:No, it's a little harder than that. So anyway, I have an alarm set for six to wake me up and then at 7.50, I have another alarm go off and it says coffee's on the alert. It's 7.50. And it's playing some music. So that makes me do whatever I'm doing at the computer or the housework I'm doing in the morning, the quiet stuff I can do, like adjusting the clocks and opening the curtains and stuff whatever, or working out in the pool yard and sweeping the pool. Now that it's light enough to do that, I get that alarm. I stop what I'm doing, I go over to the Keurig machine or I go over to the coffee pot and I get the coffee ready, because it takes about 10 minutes to get everything ready, whether it's Keurig or a coffee pot. So Ren hits 8 o'clock. In the distance I hear his alarm going off going it's 8 o'clock.
Speaker 2:And next thing, you know, you hear this, you hear a zombie and I hear it. So what I do is I wrap the, I wrap the spoon on the coffee cup really loud and I use this little voice. I'd have summoned the old coffee zombie. He trudges, he goes to the restroom, he trudges over there, grousing and making horrible noises. It's like, it's like a zombie. You know, there's no, there's no words.
Speaker 2:Yet there are other obscenities and then I put the coffee cup way away from me, I put it in the other room where the tv is, I lay it there on the coffee table and I go back to the kitchen away from me. I put it in the other room where the TV is, I lay it there on the coffee table and I go back to the kitchen away from him. So he kind of goes stretch, stretch, stretch. He stares at me with those ice-cold eyes and looks at me and it's like go drink your coffee, shut up. And then he finally sits down and then after a couple of sips he's like money, love, okay, there's a complete sentence.
Speaker 2:I can now go in there and torment, I mean talk to him. And so he's like what is your plans for today? And I was like let me look at the calendar. Um, nothing, it's blank. Or like today I says, well, I do have an appointment to go talk to jesse and record. And then I have something else. You know, you know I got this or I get a class at night, but you're stuck with me all day, oh fuck so, oh god see, I love it because y'all two are just like.
Speaker 1:It reminds me of me and my husband, because anytime we have like whatnot? Anytime I call him and he's driving, you're good. Anytime he's driving, he he'll go. And he was like you threw my groove off. Like anytime I call him, he's just like yo, I'm sorry, what are you doing? Like I'm heading home and you threw off my groove. He's over there listening, he's dancing and we'll do that to each other.
Speaker 2:You threw off my groove and we just, we just. It's funny because he'll see me or I'll start singing along with something and he'll be like are you in pain?
Speaker 1:you know, I've had a karaoke I have many rides with a pup, rad and grim and rad. His music is very questionable.
Speaker 1:Question mark I've heard it, yeah, so I'm just like question mark but he likes to sing with, he likes his little show tunes and everything. And sometimes when I'm getting off of work and he wants to like control the music on my radio, I'm just like, can we put some real music on? I'm like, please. And he's like, so he goes and I'm thinking he's gonna put music on that I like, and no, he's putting on music, he's still singing. I'm just like, can I have my phone back, please? And I was like I'm trying to unwind stills. I love your music, I really do. But oh my god, but these boys I you know, I love ratu death into pieces. Right now. He's uh, he's uh out of town right now, uh, for work, so whatnot. But uh, we've, we chat, chat here and there, whatnot, but we've, we've we've bummed when he's out of work oh yeah, very much so, and I gotta, I've always got to encourage him, just like.
Speaker 1:You know you're doing a good job. You have work, your rewards. You know you get to play with daddy when you get home. That's your reward, so, and you always have that you got to make those coins yeah, you got to make that coin sorry.
Speaker 2:So you know, puppy good feelings and all that stuff and and asking, asking husband to to afford it all is is that? You know, I'm blessed that my two pensions can cover stewart and I yeah, so he doesn't have to work. So we're literally looking at. That's why we're working on the garden, because we work on that together and we, we love our backyard and anybody I mean most of the san antonio leather have been a bent in my backyard for a pool party. You don't listen and there's a lot of people that come in and they say this place is so peaceful. This is why do you think I'd rather stay here sometimes?
Speaker 1:yeah I would rather light up the hookah and and just enjoy and just chill and put some music on, and you know I'm the same way too, because my house, I mean it's a little cluttered, fuck though, but I mean it's, it's my house, because I like like a little bit of chaos though, but whatever. But I like my dogs and I miss my dogs. This is why I don't go out as often as I want to, because I have a puppy still you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like you got to take care of that first.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got to take care of that first. So people are just like how dude, I don't go out anymore because I'm just not interested in going out anymore, but now that I'm interested in going back out, like I said, last week was was the whole time that I got to go out with rad and it was our first time and I was trying to match outfits with him. I forgot my fucking vest. I forgot um what else?
Speaker 1:he wears pink too he wears yellow, so his yellow to my pink actually works perfectly, because you know, that's something he always like a hot dog stand. Yeah, literally so we, uh, so it's him. And then grim has his blue. Of course he's isaac's boy, yeah, but we're all hanging out and everything we got to shit we got. We and I wear traditional black. You wear the traditional black. I have traditional black. I only wear it on good occasions, I guess, if you will, when it's cool enough because it's so fucking hot it's so fucking hot.
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm a recovering traditionalist. You'll see me in some beautiful red shirts and some other things too, like that now. Um, that was, you know, back a long time ago.
Speaker 1:That was something that never would have right exactly so I mean, but I love when you're in your chaps, though, because I know why you're in your chaps, so I wouldn't get between your legs and start nibbling on them and I'm just like don't you dare, I'm wearing chaps tomorrow?
Speaker 2:no, you're not because okay, folks, normally, normally, when people are in my room and the sling is slinging, okay, it doesn't matter whether I'm topping or bottoming Most people make similar moves like oh, fuck yeah, deeper, faster, harder.
Speaker 1:And you hear all these words, okay.
Speaker 2:I mean yeah, but you hear giggling and then what happened one time is he did something that made me start giggling which is an unusual thing for me to do something that made me start giggling, which is an unusual thing for me to do. Okay, and so it got so that stewart actually opened the door to the wicker room where we're playing and he's what the hell is, what the hell is going on?
Speaker 2:and and this joker is nibbling the insides of my thighs realizing that I was responding to it- uh-huh I have to learn to turn that off no, you're not, not for you, but anybody else, because now everyone's going to try to eat the insides of my thighs.
Speaker 1:You know what kinky carnival?
Speaker 2:yeah, let's go for this.
Speaker 1:I know there's a party tonight, so let's go eat, let's go nibble on my thighs and watch me giggle all night so if you're in austin kinkway while you're listening to this podcast and you have cat in a sling, go for his thighs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I will probably be in a sling. I am bringing a sling to my room you are. I set up. When I go to these things if they're in Texas and I'm driving with my truck, I bring a mini dungeon with me, I bring my electro, I bring my floggers and paddles and I bring a bunch of shit that's just for the dungeon, and then I bring my clothes and then I set up.
Speaker 2:The first thing I do is I get in there and I change the uh shower to have a shower converter, so I have a shower shot, yeah, and then I set up the sling and I move the furniture around for that, always noting where it was, so I put it back the way I found it right, and same thing with the shower shot. After I get the shower shot done and the sling done, I lay out the the stuff or have them in the bags ready to go, because a lot of times some of that stuff I take to the eagle or I take downstairs to the uh, to the playrooms when I do that right, but then I bring them back upstairs. I mean, last year we had a very interesting party when we were at one of the events because we opened it up for people to come and play and this thing was there and the agreement was when you came in play and do what you want to do, but MasterCat's going to walk around with his electric flogger and zap you in various places, so you could be in the middle of getting your dick sucked and all of a sudden your ass got zapped. And not only that, but not only did it shock you, but the current went to the guy who was getting sucked off oh, it was so much fun.
Speaker 1:And it says guys, I do love that electric flogger so much where did you find it?
Speaker 2:I found it at austin kink weekend my in the vendors so let's talk about you. Got to go to these places that have vendors and yeah. I mean even RGV that happened in February for their leather thing. They had vendors down there and inevitably I'm going to find something.
Speaker 1:You know who has really good stuff, and I've never bought their stuff. I just love the quality of their work and I haven't done it yet. Yeah, penguin After Dark.
Speaker 2:I actually have many of his floggers. Yes, actually have many of his floggers. Yes, you've actually experienced them. In fact, it's silicone flogging oh yes, it's beautiful.
Speaker 1:Now, I love the way you use it because it's such a big thud it is. People don't realize how good flogging is on your back and I know it's. It's very. I can't explain the sensation. It's very thuddy, yeah. And the way you do it, the the way you use the music to kind of use, to kind kind of go with it. I sync to the music.
Speaker 2:Yeah, some people don't love it, some people don't, and people who watch me flog notice that I dance. Yeah, because I taught dance for years.
Speaker 1:I dance when you're flogging.
Speaker 2:I'm just doing this and I had to start telling some bottles quit moving your body too much. I'm going to wrap around by one when you I may hit the wrong spot because you so I tell them it's okay to shake your booty a little bit, but after a while you know. But Penguin after dark, I own a lot of his floggers, but the one thing he used to do the leather floggers and now he does the Silicon and they're wonderful because he can do all sorts of designs. And of course, when I saw that leather pride one, that's my baby for the I want to get more stuff, but man I'm not going to lie, it's expensive, it's expensive.
Speaker 1:It really is expensive, but at the same time I'm not as active in the community as I want to be to go ahead and buy it. But somebody has always told me it's good to have it than not have it at all.
Speaker 2:Right, and have it available, because you know your husband gets out of line. There you go. Yeah, well, lucky for him person. Yeah, he's like you.
Speaker 2:keep that away from me yeah, hubby's like, keep that away, like, or whatever but oh, stewart has used one of the ikea paddles on my ass a couple of times and has broken a few spatulas on me okay, stanking me, because it's like he's the one person I sub for. So what I did one time? He was getting ready to use the ikea paddle that's on there and I took a napkin and I put it on top of it and I used a sharpie so I didn't want to mark the board and I said beat cat with me.
Speaker 2:So he went to go lift the uh, lift the coffee off off the, off the paddle that was on. He saw the thing he was getting ready to beat me with the paddle and it means you saw that he just kind of bust up laughing. He forgot to hit me he says you knew this was coming, didn't you? Yeah I says I was doing things to irritate you so you would grab the towel I'm bratting on you right now this is why and it's funny, because, as a dom, I can't stand bratting- no joke, I am a no nonsense.
Speaker 2:It's like I've done that to somebody. When they wanted to brought. I put them in a cage and it was like I locked the cage and it says you can just've done that to somebody. When they wanted to ride, I put them in a cage and it was like I locked the cage and it says you can just sit there and watch somebody else get the punishment now oh, that pissed them off.
Speaker 1:My boy Rad. I know that nothing I do for him as a punishment won't be that, so if there's something that he does that he doesn't tell me at all, I know there's a one thing I can take away from him that he likes and he enjoys thoroughly, and that's either affection, cuddling or want some type of like affection or whatnot. I can take that away from him as a punishment.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, because anything else is just a fucking reward like he impact is a serious reward yeah, I know exactly so we both beat him, yeah and so I told I go, you know what you do.
Speaker 1:You want me to take away your cuddles for a week. I was like that means you can't cuddle your husband either. So that means no cuddling with him, because I will tell your hubby there is no cuddling for him for a week. But it also puts grim at like. But I like cuddling. You can blame your husband for that, because he's the one that wanted to be mischievous, not tell me anything oh, and grim's got a handful there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love grim.
Speaker 1:Yeah I love grim, grim's fucking amazing. He's actually. He's one of my favorite uh boys. I wish I would like um. I'm not mad that he's what, like he had told me. He's like he just don't have enough time. Our schedules are different, so he went with isaac. Completely understand. Rad was the only one that's like.
Speaker 2:I want to stay with you because yeah you know x, y, and at one point I think rad and grim would have been my boys, uh-huh, uh. But then other circumstances happened that it just I couldn't do it yeah, so uh, but it was just fine.
Speaker 1:It's cool because you know what? They've actually learned a lot under me. They really have. They've calmed down a whole rat's, calmed down a whole lot, though, um, he's not. As he is very hyper, I will say that he is very, very hyper, he's very so excited at a party when it's playtime.
Speaker 2:Yeah he really does and I think once I'm there with him and I'm under, I'm able to keep him yeah so see, the thing is also for me, I don't have a local boy, and I guess this is a good point to talk about this, because if you're gonna be the master's boy, you gotta kind of already know your shit yeah, already. I mean, yes, I should be training them, but I mean I've had some boys that became a very big embarrassment Eanor was one of those. Let me spell that backwards if you want to. And basically there was one time I came to a kinky carnival and people were complaining about the fact that a vest got thrown on the bar floor and it was a legacy vest that six other people had owned. That is sacred, oh shit.
Speaker 2:And then I've got masters and sirs and other people coming up saying is this how you train your boy? Oh, me walking in, I'm, I'm walking into the connell because I was teaching 101 at the other right and I walk into this. Yeah, that was. I had the boo-boo stick out that night and it was not. Uh, you're not allowed to call red because this is punishment time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and later on we ended up breaking up, but it was like no, I think, if it's anything, anytime I've ever gone over to Rad and Grim's place and I know that if I saw leather on the floor, I'm looking at them. I'm like I know it's yours, don't get me wrong, but you should never, you should never have it on the floor.
Speaker 2:I was like what if master cat walked in and saw that? That's what I told him.
Speaker 1:I was like do you want me to let master cat know that you're keeping your leather on the floor, because that's going to be a big no-no for you. And then you got to deal with master cat and I'm very pissed.
Speaker 2:Yes, so let's not do that. I'm a recovering.
Speaker 1:I'm a recovering traditionalist, but there are certain things that our traditions are still standing and still valid I think, it's integrity and taking care of your leather is so expensive and I'm blessed to got a bar vest for like 80 bucks, so I'm you're looking out, yeah so penguin stuff is beautiful.
Speaker 2:It's expensive, though. Um penguin, I think. Did I ever tell you the story about the the one flogger, the gift? Uh, yes, you did. Did I tell you, or did we ever tell the audience?
Speaker 1:we. I think we talked about it once, but we can talk about it again. Only reason is because it's a new podcast, so we've it's been such a long time. So, yeah, talk about it, okay.
Speaker 2:So Penguin After Dark is a straight leather brother of mine and I met him at a place called Primal the Very Fierce Times, and then he knew I was a flogger. And then he you know, I actually co-domed with him. We actually had four doms beating a male and a female sub and to turn out, the female sub was then his partner and the other one just wanted to get his ass beat. So some of us were using paddles, I was flogging and people were doing other things, and later on they were like if you ever get to play with MasterCat, you've got to take the opportunity. Well then on another primal he brought this flogger that was really very beautiful. He wanted my opinion about it, if he wanted to see if it was balanced, and all this because he knows I can pick up a flogger and I can tell quality of a flogger really quick because I do some turns and all that stuff and I'll balance it and I'll look at it and all that stuff.
Speaker 2:And so I looked at it, says nice, balance this as well, try it out, this is well, I don't have anybody here to do it. So penguin did something that he's rarely ever did. He says well, then flog me, because he rarely ever bottoms right. But here it was. We went to primal.
Speaker 2:He grabbed the hard points out there in the middle of the night and I started doing a light flogging with her just to practice that do the do the right oceans. And it was like the music stopped, the crickets stopped, the people stopped talking. All you heard was cats flogging penguin and it was silent, like the entire I mean there's 50, 60 people there and it and the camp got silent while I flogged him. Right, okay, and then after about five minutes, that's good. And so I handed him back the flogger and he had said you know what do you think about it? It says I says this absolute, the handle is absolute perfection. It says it's balanced beautifully and it says it makes a beautiful noise. And I says it's just absolutely lovely. And I handed back to him and said it says whoever's gonna buy this from you is gonna absolutely love it.
Speaker 2:And then he took the flogger in both hands and he reached out and he took the flogger in both hands and he reached out and he said, no, this is for you. Oh shit, he gave me this custom flogger and the green inlay of the handle that the inlay of it that's covered with all the varnish, matched the green of my cat vest and so there's two big Leatherman bawling in the middle of Primal and says I hate you, I love you, and so we still tell the story and I still remember the story.
Speaker 2:So the gift is but it's a beautiful story. It's a beautiful story and it's a beautiful flogger, because it's good for people who want thud or it's good to warm up. The thing is it feels thuddy on somebody but the noise it makes with that type of leather he used, I just felt it cracks so hard. It makes such a loud noise that people will come running down the hall to see or they'll. They'll hear me using it, like in a bar where you could, and it gets louder than the music.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and people are like when I'm flogging, say, say, isaac likes to be flogged by me. When I use that one, it's a good show piece because he wants to put on a show, right, and when I'm doing this one, it's making a loud crack. He's feeling a nice thud and everybody thinks I'm killing him and it's like it's crack, crack and it's making this really scary noise. But isaac's enjoying a nice thuddy flog and the people who are watching are getting one hell of a show, right. You know, and this is the thing with the flogging I still practice it and keep the finesse, but I never forget that penguin gifted me that. That was his way of accepting me as his leather brother. That was, that was again. We talk about gifts of leather a lot of times. We traditionally do harnesses or vests or hats or chaps, and I've done all of those things. I've even gifted jock straps, yeah. But to get gifted a flogger with that kind of craftsmanship on it, oh my God, that was a gift of love for my brother.
Speaker 1:I'm the same way with my boys. Anybody who's my boy, I will gift them their first pup hood. Right now I did my first boy, which is uh, pop tart. You know pop tart, I know pop tart, I need to see him. Uh, so uh, he's dealing with school and everything, so he's under a lot of stress and pressure. So whenever I get a chance to, I gift him his first hood. It took me a while to get there. You okay, don't die don't die.
Speaker 2:You made me laugh while I was drinking water sorry.
Speaker 1:So uh he. I gave them his first pup turn. Uh, so finally I. It took me a while because money struggles or whatnot. Whatever. Next is pup brad. So pup brad is gonna get his pup hood. I told him pick your colors. I was like you get to have one color of mine that I like the most, and you need to have purple in your yeah in your hood, because that's my significant.
Speaker 1:It could be inside the ears or the nose or whatnot. That's just pretty much. Yeah, uh, pub tart loved his hood. He was just like. This is so beautiful so great.
Speaker 2:A little bit huh did he boo a little he did, he did that that means you've reached your boy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it means you've reached your boy. When I've given stuff to some of the boys and it's significant they boohoo for a minute, like one of them. When Jojo was my boy, I literally gave him my first pair of chaps and I took them off of me, got down on my knees and put them on him. Aw, he was. And I took them off of me, got down on my knees and put them on him. He was like, oh my God, I have your chaps. And I told JoJo I says you've learned now how to be kinky and to appreciate your body. You're a big boy, I appreciate being shirtless and to do that. And you wanted to wear chaps. And he says you've always admired mine. So I gave you literally mine. I says these chaps could talk. They would tell stories. So here's what you need to do If our walls could talk, they could tell fucking stories Well these chaps could tell stories, because there was obviously stains on them from before you know.
Speaker 2:so he says he knew what those were.
Speaker 1:It was probably when you did me, Daddy.
Speaker 2:And I say you know what you need to make sure that you make these chaps dirty every so often and get them clean, but make some more stories in these things. And that boy does so and it was.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like that with rad too as well, because he's, um, he's slowly getting a lot of his stuff and whatnot and what whatever. And I told him I was like, if I can, I will get your hood. I was like it's just going to take me a minute of time, so, because I'm slowly kind of get my stuff together too as well. But I'm definitely going to buy your hood here whenever I get a fucking chance to do it. But when I do, you'll have your hood and it'll be whatnot.
Speaker 2:And I told him it's like everyone's.
Speaker 1:You're going to have my symbol, but it's not going to be Daddy J, it's the Majin symbol. That's cute that you and I have. I wouldn't say I guess competition, if you will no, we don't.
Speaker 2:It's not competition, it's like we dance, we match step for step on the ability with that stuff do you?
Speaker 1:would you call it not competition when it comes, like to me, and you're like who's going to come first or whatnot?
Speaker 2:would you friendly competition?
Speaker 1:okay, that's a friendly competition.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm talking about but the fact is, even if you lose, you win.
Speaker 1:Yeah but it was like but it's not. It's not like losing is winning, winning is losing.
Speaker 2:It's just like we need to explain to the audience what that's about. Okay, so here's the thing.
Speaker 1:Me and MasterCat. We go way back. The first time I got into the sling with MasterCat we started playing with toys and everything and he was already counting the music. He goes I have my music here for you and whatnot and I'm going gonna make you come by so such and such. I'm like okay, whatever, and we're trying to fight each other not to come. So it becomes like what, almost like cnc or what is it called?
Speaker 2:it can become a comma, seem like it's consensual, non-consensual type of thing right, because it would become very that.
Speaker 1:So cat's gotten me a few times a lot like he would make me like within 18 minutes, he's already made a mess in his jock oh you know, no, no hate there, it was just awesome. But in its master cat's turn, master cat will have his own play set, but with shorter music, and he likes to cheat, so yeah, the mix.
Speaker 2:The mix he had on it was all the extended remixes like seven and eight minute versions of everything and when I put mine on it was the regular radio remixes of four and five minutes, so it's like see. You only lasted three songs, I lasted six all right, wait a minute.
Speaker 1:That doesn't make any sense, so we went on then.
Speaker 2:then, when we did it the next time with a stopwatch, we actually used the stop watch, yeah. And then another time we actually used a mix, where it didn't matter how long it was seamless, so this hour and a half long mix could still keep time. It's like aha, you're on this song, you just shot your load at minute 23. And then, finally, what did you do? You got me at 17. I was like bitch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I started getting you like a 10, then five, I think, recently was at five minutes, yeah, it was just like it was literally two toys in uh on there because we can go like all the toys that we fucking yeah, I keep wanting to get.
Speaker 2:I want to come when cowboys in there, yeah, and it's always with sergeant uh sergeant suck off, yeah so I want to say sergeant slaughter for some reason.
Speaker 1:No, I know.
Speaker 2:But you have to also understand, guys, that I have a name for literally every one of my toys every fucking toy, every paddle, every flogger, every dildo, everything has got a name and there's sometimes a story behind it, like the gift was for the flogger. Some of those have a name because either that's what reminded me of it. Some of them have a name because they are a replica of a porn star, and some of them have a name because they remind me of somebody that looked like that and fucked me. So, uh, and their cowboy is this like 11 and a half inch large cock, and it's based off of a story I had written about a cowboy falling in love with somebody else and he. The problem was is he was so big nobody could take him until this guy could. Yeah, and I takeboy, quite nicely, you really do.
Speaker 1:But it's one of those things I love, though, because it shows my skills off to a thing.
Speaker 2:And you've pushed in my skills even further.
Speaker 1:So now that my skills have gotten further, to a point where now I can get you to come off of two toys instead of one because you're not fighting, so I'm going to fight again tomorrow, okay, well, that's fine, okay you can fight tomorrow. Well, that's the thing. Well, because there's a thing I'm like, I probably won't bottom tomorrow because I do want a flogging session, so I do want a good impact, so you'll bottom you'll bottom for impact, I'll bottom for toys, exactly.
Speaker 2:Okay, there we go, there we go, and so that still means I can hang out before I do you yeah exactly so, because you know we've.
Speaker 1:It's one of those things that it actually progresses. My toys and I'm listening to you too, as well as everything, and there's some toys. I know that I can go a little fast with you and there's something I can go slow.
Speaker 2:The bigger the toy, the slower we have to go so yeah, yeah, so talking about anal, since we're on the anal side, make sure you use the right lube and I will tell anybody who is topping somebody and doing all the inserting never scrimp on lube and make sure your lube is of good quality that can work with it. I will tell people do not use silicone lube on toys because a lot of those silicone toys will get ruined. But you can use oil-based and you can use water-based. I recommend personally, if you're not using J-Lube to turn into fisting later on, or X-Lube for fisting, those end personally, if you're not using j-loop to turn into fisting later on, or x-loop for fisting. Those are actually good ones but they're really hard to clean up. I actually like to use elbow grease and I like to use the plain one, not the cold cooling one or the heating one. Oh god, not the heating one no, not in the ass some idiot did that one time and they were sorry, they did it.
Speaker 2:I watched it was like no, that's the wrong car, that's the wrong car don't get the one with the red and don't get the one with the green.
Speaker 2:Get the one with the blue label. That's the original and get. Yeah, but I like elbow grease because it has a consistency of crisco, so it's almost like you're playing with oil-based and it glides things in and out, but it is water-based. I sometimes have to put some more on it. Now, oil-based, when you start using coconut oil or uh, crisco, those are okay. They clean up a little harder because you have to use castile soap and stuff and basically, with all that grease or that, you know that, like that coconut oil, it's like you've had a deep fried meal, because you will digest some of that up through your ass yeah, so it's not pretty make sure that you know what you're putting in somebody and taking care of it.
Speaker 1:So water-based or oil-based are are better for it I've always said no to gun oil or to any type of oil base, because I just don't like it. It's very, it's very messy, it's very nasty.
Speaker 2:It feels weird later on when it's dripping out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it really does it feels like you haven't, I guess. I guess in in plain terms like anal leakage, what people like to call it, like they can't have diarrhea or something like that this is the thing.
Speaker 2:I mean some of those things like elbow grease, um, it will stay up inside and when, when it comes out, it looks like somebody came in. You, uh-huh, and it's like I can't tell the difference. Did he, did he actually fuck me? And it's like, no, jesse keeps his clothes on when he does my toys. Now, I don't, yeah, when I top you, I actually drop my jock and I talk. But, uh, and most of the guys want that too, so it's like, uh, yeah, I would I don't know if you ever notice it's I I've never topped any of my boys.
Speaker 1:When I'm, when I'm doing a, when I'm doing a toy scene, flogging scene, impact play scene, electro play, I don't take off my clothes at all. Yeah, only reasons because I'm not getting off to have sex with you to be able to do it. I'm in the moment where I'm having fun with the toys and everything else.
Speaker 2:So it's kind of hard feeling their energy. Yeah, so I'm feeling that energy.
Speaker 1:So my my clothes pretty much, oh fuck, yes, daddy, oh god oh, so it's just yeah, exactly, yeah, so that's what I'm gonna sound like tomorrow or actually I will have already sounded like that I will sound like that tonight at kinky carnival what is it? I do the whole, like I kind of got the whole. Have you seen Nosferatu yet? Yeah, okay, so I'll do the voice. Like Nosferatu is like the boy loves this toy. Come to me, boy. And they're just like why?
Speaker 2:do you?
Speaker 1:do that so well and Harvey's just like I hate how you do that so well.
Speaker 2:Nosferatu wants a taste of your delicious hole. Bring it here to me, boy. It reminds me I need to flavor mine tomorrow for you. There you go so um that was a delightful surprise when it was pina colada down there.
Speaker 1:Oh you see there, yeah, salt in the rim, but you know, it's crazy, though, because when I tell people I've been in the kinky community for such a long time, when I was in Corpus Christi there was no scene. I didn't have a mentor.
Speaker 2:I don't have a mentor like I have a mentor now, like it's you. It's really underground there, I mean obviously. But now there's done, tony Popony bones has done a fucking fantastic job. I mean, that boy is kinky as hell and I love that.
Speaker 1:they've had their they're having their run in the mill with the lgbt community and they're finally understanding, like a lot of people the community who I've warned them about to be careful with they're figuring it out like yeah now you know and the same thing when I tell people here be careful who you're with, because in the long run they're going to show your true colors, but I'm not going to tell you to not talk with them until you get to see their personal colors, because now you're trapped in and you can't do anything about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and my angelo one time said when somebody shows you who they are, believe them. Yeah, believe them.
Speaker 1:Believe them, you'll find out really quick that's why I'm such a stickler when it comes to these people and I get it that now that I'm showing myself out there, people are pissed like I can't believe he's out here and this, and that I'm like are you mad because you've had your run in the mill? I've not anybody calling you out, or are you shocked that I'm finally out here and I have my boys with me and I'm not talking to you at all? You?
Speaker 2:know I don't need to talk to you yeah, so it's one of those things I didn't even go to this last kinky carnival because I spent most of that time after 101 standing at munches. Yeah, I literally told some people. It says I'm not really in the mood to go to a loud bar tonight with everybody bumping into each other.
Speaker 2:It says right, it was busy it was busy it was, you would have been like no, thank you, I'm out, I was. I was not in the mood for that. Now, some nights or some kinky carnivals, I'll walk in there, I'll strut in there, I will be there and I will do stuff, especially if they ask me to do scenes up on the stage. Yeah, I will do that stuff where I'll sit and smoke a cigar and meet people, and I'm okay on that.
Speaker 1:You got your own little fucking meet and greet. That's fucking hilarious. I cat has his own meat. I'm a fucking master. So it's.
Speaker 2:But the thing is this last time it's like I've got more people asking me questions that just came out of the 101 class and they're asking some really good questions. So do I go into a crowd that's really busy tonight? I'm not feeling it, or do I answer this person who's got some legitimate questions, because I would have stayed with the person.
Speaker 2:I stayed with the people to answer the questions and did some demos for people that wanted to feel, and I also had a sub that want does a cuddling scene with me? Yeah, it's a sweetheart of a man that just wants to cuddle and he wants. He went through a lot where you know his is. He had a mommy at one point and the things weren't working out. She dropped him.
Speaker 2:I miss my mommy and then so finally he wanted to do some cuddling and one of the dungeon owners finally came up and says he's scared to ask you to cuddle, but you know, because you're scary and all that stuff. But but because, I look scary sometimes, until you realize I'm you are.
Speaker 1:You do look scary. Even when I first met you I didn't even I didn't give a fuck. I'm like I'm gonna go say, say I don't care. I was like full drag too. I know you were in drag and I told you, I still accept it where you are. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's except the way you are. And so we started now this young man that I cuddle every so often we have a comment and started luck with a half an hour, an hour, like an hour, where I'm having to say okay, we got to stop because you either got to go work behind the desk or I need to move on to something else. So I did a cuddle session with him too right, and he started to realize that maybe he didn't need a mommy, he needed a daddy. Ah, you know, and so he's.
Speaker 1:you know he's allowed to call me daddy well, the community calls me at sometimes, but uh, you've been daddy, dom, sir, master, grandfather, great, great grandfather all of those.
Speaker 2:I've got all those titles to me. Hey, are you gonna? I'm gonna take you out a little bit. Okay, give us some time. We have about 20 more minutes, okay, yeah and so when we talk about the anal stuff. Um, you know, I teach a class on and I'll be doing a class in june on it.
Speaker 2:Actually, um and I talk about what your goals are um, not every session is the same. Sometimes it's trying to get length and seeing how far things can go up, or sometimes it's girth, to see how far you can stretch. Fisting is both at the same time.
Speaker 2:See, I do love like the pleasure aspect when it comes down to fisting or the toys itself for some reason I do like a good prostate play is another one too, where dude prostate play for some guys it's only like two or three inches in with the little bumpers and you can just mess with that all the time. You get a vibrator on that and just let a guy start leaking yeah, and there's not big penetration and I'll say I have some guys that just want the prostate yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1:I've actually gone further in and got to the second hole and just like twirled my finger in there and they're just another thing.
Speaker 2:I'm going to do a shout out, since it's austin kink weekend. Uh, the butt doctor is in town for the austin kink weekend, dr calton. He has a whole instagram and oh yeah, I've seen the butt doctor?
Speaker 2:yeah, he is. He is there and he is an expert on all this stuff. He will talk about every aspect of it. A lot of my stuff for anal thing besides bill brent's book, the ultimate guide to anal sex for men uh, he's got a lot of the stuff that I borrow. I've borrowed to use for my intro to anal class. Um, it starts actually. It actually starts like, for instance, I know I'm having a scene tomorrow. It actually starts now with what I eat, like for how important it is to eat when you're bottoming, because who?
Speaker 2:what you eat, I mean the people that starve themselves and all that stuff. I get very worried about that I mean granted, the ultimate clean out would be to be dating somebody like dr carlton who can prescribe you the go lightly to get you ready for a uh, you know, one of those exams. Yeah, and completely clean yourself out and have nothing in there but for me that's unhealthy for me.
Speaker 1:I stop at eating at eight o'clock.
Speaker 2:I don't actually. I do something different. What I do. What I do is I start the day before, like this morning, I had weed a bit, which is a very high fiber cereal, and then, uh, and then what I did is like today I had a salad. I'm not eating a lot of things that are going to cause bulk. Yeah, like cheese. I get rid of that. I eat things that are very high in fiber the day before and even the day of, and so when I get ready to do my clean out regimen, say, if we're going to meet at one o'clock, okay, I'll start the clean out at 11 and I'll eat something, eat something right, before I go to clean out and get a big old drink or two of water. Right, cause I'm going to hydrate over hydrate, and I'm going to eat, cause what that'll do is it'll push everything down, especially with water.
Speaker 2:It'll push everything down and then everything's going to settle and that's when I start putting the hose up and I start doing my regular cleanup and then cause, once I start cleaning out, I'm not going to drink and I'm not going to, I'm not going to drink significantly and I'm not going to eat anything until until after the entire session, right, so I allow myself, because I'm doing a deep clean because of the toys some of them being fists, right and and and the intensity we do, uh, that I'm going to deep clean and which means I've not only got to get the rectum cleaned out to bang boyfriend, I'm going to have to get the descending colon and the traverse colon all cleaned out. That's a lot to clean out, and so I know there's a certain phase where I expel what I can start cleaning the rectum out and getting that all done, and then I start using the shower shot.
Speaker 1:It's crazy how much work you got to go through just to.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you do it if you're going to do something where you're going to quickly bang boyfriend and most average guys are not going to go past the the thing yeah, because they're not that big.
Speaker 2:Um, so you can bang. You can do the bang the boyfriend quickie for 15 or 20 minutes and just get it till it's washing out. And you know, just be careful how much you put in there, right as soon as water guts goes up and over and into that thing, that's when to start stirring stuff and when I deliberately do the long ones that force the water into there. You know, instead of counting to five or ten to just fill this area, I'm counting to 30 to get it up over right. Then I'm letting it start to settle and after it cleans out the rectum up over right, then I'm letting it start to settle and after it cleans out the rectum, later on you start, you start cleaning up the outside and then I feel the rumbling you know, I always find it, even when I'm not doing anything, a good cleaning or a good douching, just for it's just better.
Speaker 1:It's so much better. But but. I feel good, though I really feel when I'm done. I feel great, yeah, I feel great.
Speaker 2:The thing I have to watch out for is to make sure I've cleaned out, because if you start getting that water up there, yeah then you're gonna have this thing I call the second coming of the aspocalypse, okay, and which is the semi-digested stuff that comes out and oh look, I had salad yesterday it's like it's not completely turned into shit yet?
Speaker 1:No, it's not.
Speaker 2:It's liquidy as hell.
Speaker 1:But you know I do, it smells terrible, you telling me. But it's one of those things as a bottom, who does things or whatnot? You've got to take care of yourself as a person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you do.
Speaker 1:For me, like I said, I don't do the whole process that you do. I just do like maybe just enough to kind of get it going and I just enough to kind of get it going and I start my day off like at maybe 10 o'clock in the morning. Yeah, and I make sure I what if I'm drinking something, drinking water?
Speaker 2:take whatever meds I need to take and you know I'm good yeah, and so after that it's like you know, come on, let's do this yeah, but if you clean that deep?
Speaker 2:you've got hours. I mean because I would do those deep cleans because I used to go to parties that were all the way up in leander, yeah, north northwest austin, and I live down in southwest, uh, san antonio. So, yeah, it's two hours to get to this party and people didn't people who didn't know me at first didn't understand I would walk in, I would give a hug to the host and everybody I saw and I would get my clothes off, get it, you know, get my clothes off down to jock and harness and I would run over to the thing.
Speaker 2:Get in this as all right boys, I'm here Right and I have my cat toys over here and then we're like wow, he barely said hello to everybody, he's already in the damn sling. It's like I've already lost two hours sitting upright is because if I start to feel the gurgle again because now stuff from here is worked its way up and over and now down.
Speaker 2:It's like, okay, I'm going to have a little time that I can be a bottom about maybe three more hours, and then I'm going to feel some of the things shifting. It's like, okay, time to top, exactly, and so that's what I do.
Speaker 1:Well, I appreciate you, kat, for coming in onto the podcast and I know that bottom 101 is very, very, very tricky, very hard, especially when it comes between both of us. You know people. Really. It's great to have another dom or master talk about bottoming, because I know I've talked about here and I talked it on the two queer podcast too as well, with styler on how much of it, but here on the freaky friday podcast, to be able to go more in depth of two like literally what is going into it, like people don't realize, like oh wow and people are gonna hear it and be like, oh, I don't want to have to hear that.
Speaker 2:I'm like, no, you really should you really should, because it's like bottom. You need to know this, and if you're a top, you need to know what the hell the bottom is going exactly, please you exactly.
Speaker 1:And people are just like oh well, you know what this is, why I've always said do not cancel out on your bottoms when we first met. If I know something's coming up and I'm not working 100, I'm not coming over, I'll let you know before you start your ritual at all period, the next, the day before, yeah, um, the only time we've ever, I think I've.
Speaker 1:I've always been the one to cancel on you. This last time you canceled on me because you had a lot of stuff that was going on, which which was great, uh, but it's just like it was two understandings.
Speaker 2:We will let each other know, like first thing in the morning. Yeah, like when?
Speaker 1:I wake up and if I go, oh, I am not feeling it. I'm just so stuffy, I'm groggy, I just can't do it Like I'm not going to waste your time either. You know what I mean, but no, I appreciate you kept doing another second podcast for Freaky Friday on here and I can't wait for you to meet DeeDee later on the long run. So we're going to plan up something here soon.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we need to do something, so the three of us can kiki.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, because we're going to kiki, I want to try to at least kiki by next week, not next week, the following week, because we're going to have three microphones and we're going to be able to keep with everybody on that, so be able to have fun on that and by then, Austin Kink Week, if you allow Easter weekend to go through, because Austin Kink Weekend is Easter weekend. And after that, you know, probably after Kink Week, yeah we have to find out what's going to happen If I win. Definitely it'll be another reason to talk.
Speaker 1:Oh, there you go. So it'd be happy to, because even anybody else who's part of the kinky community, who wants to come in and talk about, on the mature mischief about you know, your kinky weeks, or even on two queers of the podcast, like, please, I welcome, you, come on in, promote yourself, promote, help me promote the podcast. It's two way streak, so if you want to come in on here, you better be here for a good fucking reason, because if you're going to be posting a foot around and you're not going to promote yourself, not going to be able to promote me, or on that, then I I don't want you on the podcast. But that's pretty much me, cat, thank you, I can't wait until we see you again and good luck at kink austin, kink week.
Speaker 2:so, um, this will be have fun for me, this friday will be meet and greet, when you guys are hearing this one, and then saturday is when the boot blocks and the handler and the pups do it. Sunday easter sunday is when the mr miss and mix are doing their contest, crossing fingers.
Speaker 1:Whatever else you need to do and hopefully, I wish you the best and I hope you succeed and you win. So good luck. Good luck, friend. All right, this is the mature mission podcast. I do appreciate you tuning in. Make sure you go and like on all of our platforms here. I am your host, daddy J, and I appreciate you tuning in to the Mature Mischief Podcast. You have a good one. Love you Bye, bye.
