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Men Don't Know What Women Want
Ever wondered why so many relationships struggle with intimacy issues? This episode dives deep into the fascinating disconnect between what men think women want versus what women actually crave in relationships.
We explore the surprising biological differences at play—women produce oxytocin during intimate moments, creating powerful emotional bonds, while men process vasopressin differently. This chemical distinction explains why women consistently seek connection before physical satisfaction, while men often focus primarily on physical gratification. One eye-opening revelation: many men invest more energy pleasing their bosses than learning their partners' bodies and communication styles.
The conversation takes unexpected turns as we discuss how social judgment affects female sexuality. Women face impossible standards—labeled as "prudes" or "whores" regardless of their choices—while simultaneously navigating partners who don't understand their needs. We share candid stories about relationships where men took time to learn women's bodies and communication styles, resulting in profoundly different outcomes from relationships focused solely on physical connection.
Perhaps most provocative is our examination of how relationship dynamics are shifting. Many women have begun approaching relationships with traditionally masculine detachment when their emotional needs go unmet, creating an unsatisfying cycle where neither partner receives what they truly desire. Whether you're struggling with connection in your relationship or simply curious about the psychology of intimacy, this episode offers valuable insights into creating meaningful connection beyond the bedroom.
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what's up, gremlins? Welcome back to another podcast. My name is daddy j. I hope everyone is doing it and doing it well. You know the drill. This is the mature mischief podcast. It's freaky friday. Friday, it's going to be amazing. Before we begin, I am going to mansplain a lot of this stuff because we are going to talk about women.
Speaker 2:So this is going to be hella fun this is going to be hella fun.
Speaker 1:This really is, but I don't think I've ever mansplained anything when it comes down to the women, because we've had discussions before about it, so I think I can tackle this one just fine I think you'll be fine, only because you you have sister.
Speaker 1:You grew up around women, so you have a good understanding I grew up with women period that's how my little brother is same thing I know it, you know it, the whole world fucking knows it. I don't like saying my name twice. I am your host, daddy jay and I am your host.
Speaker 2:Delicious d delicious d what do you do, girl? What do?
Speaker 1:you do? What do you do, what do you do, what do you do, what do you do like?
Speaker 2:what is going on? We don't have a sound, okay.
Speaker 1:Tonight will be the night that I will fall for you over again. I can't with that man explaining.
Speaker 2:Mansplain.
Speaker 1:Mansplaining what women want. I don't even know what women want.
Speaker 2:I love that. I love that. That's a whole episode. I don't know what women want.
Speaker 1:No, you know what I've learned over the years from past relationships and I'm just going based off of relationships that I had, like in high school, middle school and a smidge of my 20s A smidge. I like that, a smidge of my 20s.
Speaker 2:A smidge. I like that.
Speaker 1:A smidge of my 20s, four years into my 20s. You know, I got to talk to a lot of women over the years and it's always been the same thing that I've always hear with women is that they can never find a guy who can satisfy their needs and what they're needing. And anytime they do find a guy that satisfy their needs and they get pregnant, they are losing the aspect of their sexual relations with their husband. So a lot of times, when it comes down to it, what they're needing, they tend to cheat. So we've talked about cheating on here so many times Quick motorboat, quick motorboat.
Speaker 1:So I think here's the thing, because my last woman that I played with was not too long ago. The thing because I I my last woman that I played with was not too long ago and, um, we were talking, and a lot of the times, that when men want to do things with a woman, they forget to explore her body the way it should be explored. Right, it's? It's no different than me with another gay guy. I will explore the fuck out of their body to the point where where'd you get the scar from? And then we have a story you know. So, you, it's kind of it's kind of interesting to see, because I know that that running joke is always like man cannot find the clit right or the spot or the little ding-a-ding that's there for them.
Speaker 2:You know, it's the G-spot the freaking doorbell, the doorbell right there, uh, hello, push it ding dong, ding dong uh I think it's we.
Speaker 1:We don't have a good education when it comes to teaching men, uh, the the proper way of pleasing a woman, the proper way period, and there's a lot of issues with that, because women are looking for someone to please them in a way that they don't want to be able to be touched at all on the first night, or whatnot, or have sex. We've talked about this, remember, because I've always said fuck on the first night, or whatnot, or have sex. We've talked about this, remember, because I was. I've always said fucking the first night, blah, blah, blah. And it's kind of hard to do that for a woman to fuck on the first night, because you know condoms are involved and you get pregnant. Then you're stuck with a kid for 18 years.
Speaker 2:It's not that it's mindsets and labels get thrown around and it's just like damn, I'm damned if I do, and I'm done, yeah, exactly, yeah exactly if I do, I'm a whore, but if I don't, I'm a prude like I'm something. Either way, huh, you know, I'd rather be.
Speaker 1:I'd rather woman be a prude than a whore, I guess. I mean there are whore females out there which I'm all for. Yeah, only reason is I'm saying I'd rather have a woman who's a prude is because, you know, the ones who are approved are the ones that know exactly what they want in life period, and that's going to be the same thing in gay culture.
Speaker 2:It depends. Some of them do yes, half of them. They know what they want.
Speaker 1:I'm not talking about a bad prude. I'm not talking about a bad prude that's always egging them on for something.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, no. No, I'm talking about a really good prude where she's like no, she knows what she wants, but there's other ones that they are prude because there's a fear, oh yeah, yeah. So it's not necessarily always because she wants. It's like it's. This one doesn't know what she wants matter of fact, she's afraid because either she's misinformed or there was a bad experience, or whatever.
Speaker 1:Oh, and ladies. I don't know if you know this, but you can also be on prep too. True v? It's the only one that's actually meant for men and females, so females can get on Truvada to protect them against HIV. They don't know this, but you can get on it. You just need to talk to your doctor about it. So a lot of women don't realize that you can yeah, that's awesome. Talk to your doctor about it and see what works for you, because you do need to get tested to every three months just to make sure your body's okay. That's not just for gay men, that's also. I've never actually sat down and talk about it, though, but Truvada is the main one, right? Truvada is the only one that I he can't hear you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's playing this game.
Speaker 1:So, huh, truvada is the only one that women can take. Uh, yes, yes, so yeah, so truvada would be the main one that women would be able to take. So I had to ask an expert because he works in health, so, um, but yeah, it's a. It's one of those things that women, I get the fear.
Speaker 1:And you know there's birth control and all that stuff and the government's out to get you. So that's, tell me I'm wrong. Tell me I'm wrong. You're not wrong at all. See, I can play with women. That's not the issue. I can play with women, I know women, I love women. You know I physically can if I wanted to.
Speaker 2:I just physically it's not your main preference.
Speaker 1:It's not my main preference you know, but I think that a lot of women they, yeah, they get all dolled up, they have makeup on. They're beautiful even when they don't wear makeup. I think they're beautiful right, because I've seen you without makeup and I think you're pretty without makeup, right thank you.
Speaker 2:Um, I was like a whole ass mess, but yeah I mean give or take on the day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you could be a walking zombie. I'm just like holy shit she has arisen yeah, literally from the dead.
Speaker 2:I'm like, please don't look in the mirror, it's fucked up, it's like I'm cool looking in the mirror, but if I look at you you can turn into stone bitch no shit, but you know it's.
Speaker 1:It's crazy because women put in a lot of effort to look as beautiful as they do. Right, yeah, we do they. They have to make, they take care of themselves they fucking standards.
Speaker 2:It's where it stemmed from. It's because, oh, my favorite, my favorite line.
Speaker 1:my favorite line is from in this moment dirty purdy, it's so hard to be, it's so hard being a woman. I'll never live up to your expectations of purty.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:I fucking love that line because it's so fucking true.
Speaker 2:And it's so true, it is. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1:And it's so true. And the thing is is that you know you do have women who just like I just want this one guy and everything.
Speaker 2:And women are more freakier than men.
Speaker 1:I hate to say it, they're more kinkier than we are and I'm not gonna disagree.
Speaker 2:So I mean, hey, um we we just we're not as open with, again because of the freaking labels. You know what I mean? Because the stigma against that being who we are, we're here in beans man.
Speaker 1:Like some girls, they just want to be fucking plowed. To be fucking plowed.
Speaker 2:Like I mean I plowed. Why is that a bad thing? I know, you know what I mean, like I don't understand.
Speaker 1:I am known as the bed breaker. Like literally, I've broken beds in half every single time. Like we were just talking about this, too at game night that, uh, one of the twink was messing with one of the mutuals that we were playing with and he was talking about like, oh yeah, we were fucking in.
Speaker 1:Uh, jay fucking broke my bed and we had to go get new one you're all sorry, not sorry I'm sorry, not sorry, so they're just like yeah, next time we play on the bed and I break it, I'm responsible for it behind the bed I'm like oh, can we?
Speaker 2:play in my bed.
Speaker 1:Your playtimes are about to get hella expensive I'm gonna need, I'm gonna need a fucking medal at this point you're gonna need an emergency backup fund.
Speaker 1:That's what you're gonna need because, you're gonna be replacing furniture all the time but you see, here's the thing is that I I noticed that when I used to have, uh, sex with women back in the day it's, it wasn't as complicated as it was. As for playing with women, I already knew how to play with women. I knew exactly what their spots were, where they needed and all of that stuff. And and the only reason, and the only reason I knew about women's anatomy period was because of my grandmother oh, that's right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I remember you said that, and real quick before you think oh, you played with your grandmother. That's not what I'm talking about no. So before any of y'all think that way, my grandmother, at the age of 18, gave me a uh, a sex pocketbook I didn't want to say it was either 16 or 18.
Speaker 2:I still have the fucking book and I tell that 18, I still have the fucking book. That's funny.
Speaker 1:I still have the fucking book. That's funny. And I always tell my grandmother I still have the sex pocket book and I still have the penis book that she gave me because that's where it was at. Yeah, and that sex pocket book has never left me at all period. I've had it since I was 16, 18, somewhere around there. And I told my grandmother. I said Grandma, do you know what I found the other day? She was like what?
Speaker 2:You've had it for like half your life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've had it for half my life For fucking two no three two decades, three decades, three, no, yeah, two, two decades.
Speaker 1:I've had that fucking book. It hasn't gone anywhere. That's hilarious. Yeah, that's fucking awesome. Dude, it, dude. I've. It's never left me at all, period, and it's. It taught me about different positions for the bedroom and everything, and that's what some of the, what women, are looking for, because certain positions do do well for other people on position. Some people are very good at riding people like the the cowboy. Ride right, reno, save a horse, ride a cowboy, you know. Somebody likes to reverse cowgirl, you know what I mean. Someone likes being fucking plowed with their legs in the fucking back. You know, I it's.
Speaker 1:It's different though, but women's bodies and their anatomies are so much different than a man's body because it goes. It goes hand in hand. You know what I mean. But I know man's body very well because I know my body right, right. I know what I like as a man and so, but it goes to show that same thing when it comes to women. Women know other women's body too as well right but men forget how to fucking please their woman period, because they don't take the time to get to know their woman.
Speaker 2:I was gonna say their focus is too much on just getting it in and it's like I want to make another baby.
Speaker 1:Okay, one, two, three, done, done, uh, all right. No, I like the. What is it? The commercials where they do the pizza like oh, delivery will be here in 30 minutes. We got some time, so what are we supposed to do with the other 28 minutes?
Speaker 1:yeah yeah, really that's a running joke, but it's a really true thing, because we don't. We forget, or men, some men, not all men. I'm not saying that all men are bad, right, you know, but some men will forget how to please and satisfy and I think a lot of men, in all honesty, is ego-based.
Speaker 1:It's a lot of it absolutely it's like they listen to, like dj cali who's like I don't need a woman's pussy at all whatsoever, I'm just like bro there's. There's guys who would fucking eat a tortilla and stop it at the same time while eating a woman's pussy, like they would eat that shit like if it was fucking menudo. At the end of the day they would eat that shit like if it was lengua, like god damn, this is. I mean, that's hilarious. See for me. Back then I I would treat women just I would. I donated, I even ate a girl out, like that's. It was a different texture and different taste for me because I it's not something I enjoyed. The taste a woman's vagina's taste was something different for me it's gonna be.
Speaker 2:That's gonna depend on um the ph balance and her diet yeah straight up, because it's not just like one flavor you know like naturally I'm not. I'm not speaking to eating a cherry of course, yeah, of course, no, granted, there is flavored things. So yeah sure yeah sure every woman is gonna taste different because this is internal part of our body. It's not on the outside, so it's not just like oh, just see, I mean, granted, fresh out of the shower. Yes, it's just skin you know, what I mean.
Speaker 2:But yeah, but aside from that, it's going to vary depending on her pH and her diet.
Speaker 1:It is because a girl can get fresh out of the shower. That's fine, but it's sorry when they start doing their own lubrication for their own stuff. It does taste a little bit funny. For me as a man and that's when I knew I was gay is because I didn't like the taste.
Speaker 2:Yeah that, or maybe you just had a bad, you know, maybe I didn't have a bad experience.
Speaker 1:Maybe it was bad badge, maybe I don't know, but then again I've always was with, always, a big girl. I always had a big girl and my big girls. They knew how to eat, that's for sure they would suck your dick and eat some lunch with you I don't think it.
Speaker 2:I don't think it makes a difference as far as size, like I said, it literally the balance it's.
Speaker 1:I mean it really is. But I only say big girls is. I am saying this is only from my personal experience. I'm not, I'm not speaking for all big girls on this at all whatsoever, because I'm not too sure, but because we would eat unhealthy and so you would kind of taste the unhealthiness of their levels, of what they would be producing you taste, taste their diet so you can get.
Speaker 1:you can kind of taste their diet and anything that's with anybody and a lot of people don't realize or women, most women, not all women is that you do need to kind of be more hygienic down there too as well, to keep everything clean, you know for you, because they've always saying if you want a guy to go down there, you gotta be very like clean.
Speaker 2:so just like we would expect for the man to do the same thing, exactly exactly so it was always.
Speaker 1:It was always that, yes, I have earned my red wings. I have earned my motherfucking red wings, and at a hundred percent. So, yes, I do have those yes, it is. It is hilarious because and see that, that's those. Oh, that's hilarious. Yes, it is.
Speaker 2:It is hilarious because, and see, that's a whole other fact, that's a whole other flavor, that's a whole other flavor, yep, but apparently I like the cherry, so strawberry flavor not exactly. More like pennies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, more like pennies. Yeah, I didn't do that part, though I didn't go down on girl when she was on her period. I did it. We didn't having sex while she was on it, but we use condoms, um, of course, naturally because you know protection and safety and whatnot. And she, she enjoyed it more when she was on that time of the month because it felt good for her.
Speaker 2:So again, it depends on a woman's anatomy because technically the lining is thickened. So sometimes for a woman it's more pleasurable because it's tighter however not for every woman is it more pleasurable? Because, yeah sure it's thickened, but they're bloated, they're cramping, they already feel like crap.
Speaker 1:So if you're going at it, it just feels worse you know, like I said, it depends yeah, it depends on the girl, because the ones I met they they were pouncing and I'm just like okay, yeah, because the hormones is gonna do that.
Speaker 2:Anyways, I was the condom fairy I was literally the condom fairy.
Speaker 1:If I'm if I'm being fucking for real, I was the condom fairy. I had fucking condoms up the ass in my room. Yeah, I had a whole drawer dedicated just for condoms because I was not ready to get a girl pregnant period, so that's pretty much where it was at. So I did have a lot of sex with a lot of women One night stands, drunken nights but I've always had this thing. I've always carried a condom in my wallet. Now that I'm older, I just don't carry them because, yeah, I I mean, for me, raw is law, so I fuck other men. So, but we got to be more cautious. Uh, if I was having sex with a woman now, I still would wear a condom, yeah, you know. So, yeah, um, but I just haven't. I don't think I'll ever be finding the right. I don't think I ever would play with a girl. I've only played with one other girl, not too while back. But, um, that was because we had like an intelligent conversation and the conversation was really, really good.
Speaker 2:It got really heavy, so the sex got heavy yeah so that's the only time ever I've ever actually played with another woman as far as you said you know about, a lot of women are looking for someone to you know, pleasure them right or, just to you know, have something that works for them.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Because they just can't find that it's not just about the sex like it is for men. For men, majority of the time it's about the pleasure, but for a woman we create oxytocin during that. For a man, the the level of us having oxytocin. For a man, that's vasopressin yeah you guys create vasopressin, females, we create oxytocin right we create oxytocin via sex.
Speaker 2:So when we want to feel satisfied quote unquote satisfied it's not just the physical part, it's not just the physicality. If you are doing things and there is intimacy and I don't mean the sexual kind, but there's general intimacy and connection we automatically start producing oxytocin. For a man, vasopressin is not even created during sex at all at all. Your vasopressin is created, being needed. That is completely outside of the bedroom, which is crazy, because we're like, oh, they're not going to satisfy us, and it's like, yeah, because they're not producing the same chemicals. You are home, girl, of course they're not going to you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Like, physically, can they do it? Yes, absolutely. Can they satisfy you physically? Yes, yeah, absolutely. And here's the thing you're absolutely right, because we, as men, we're always sexually active. Yeah, and there's some men I've had men. I'm just like my wife's more sexually active than I am, and that's saying a lot. Like she's the fucking man in the relationship. I'm just like she's probably got a bigger dick than you do. You just don't have a seat in her stash. So I mean just saying, maybe she wants to peg you a couple of times, I don't know.
Speaker 1:And if she does, let her, let her play with your booty, let her tickle it, um, this is why it's so important to wash your ass um but here's the thing is that since we as men are so sexually horny and sexually flush, not frustrated but but overly over the top when it comes to our sex drive. It's an overdrive all the time, right, this is where we kind of have to remember to play with our women.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:And what I mean by that is that you go up behind her, you kiss her on the neck, you rub her belly on her thighs.
Speaker 1:Take your time yeah, you want to touch everywhere but her, her tits and her vagina. Yeah, you know what I mean. You want to admire the body parts and everything. When for me, the signal always for me, is when I, if I, if, when I was with my girlfriend, the signal for me, if I know I can go down there and I've always had it, is when she puts her hands. She gets my hands and she puts it and she just puts it there, puts it there. Yeah, that's the thing for me. I'm I'm trying to figure out where the signals are, because I know I'm horny and normally when it was, it was because my girlfriend was either cooking, and I didn't want to try to overstimulate her, like when she's cooking, because that's a shitty move.
Speaker 1:You, you're like depending, depending on the, depending on the day, because if she was being a bitch that day, I'm going to be a bitch, yeah, so I'm petty.
Speaker 2:See, this is where the shit gets all misconstrued because, because, then because then it sucks, because then when y'all are trying to be intimate or sexual, it's just like that's the association you make.
Speaker 1:And you're like, you're like, you're like fuck. But here's the thing I did it because not that I did it because I was being a dick, I was just being. I was just doing because I know what stimulates my girl, because I knew already at the time how it got her going right like I would be kissing her and it's just like she's just leaning up on you and you're kissing her neck.
Speaker 1:That feels good, it feels right, you know, and you kind of get her going. She's like babe, I'm cooking. I was like what I can't love on my girl, like that's all I'm doing and I'm just touching, and then she finally gets her hands and she puts it here and here. I'm just like I don't know that you get the back to what you're doing, so you overstimulated her. She's like you bitch, I'm just like. I was like when you're done, we'll get the rest of the treat later, but right now right now.
Speaker 2:We need to be careful. You're gonna burn that you be careful, because I need my tortillas right oh, bitch, no, I would have got the tortilla after comal and threw it at your face. I had dough in my face.
Speaker 1:There's your tortilla I had dough in my face, so now I'm just the hot ass cook.
Speaker 1:No, no, no well, no, I have had. I have had my girl throw dough at me. I'm just like I deserve that. So, yeah, but it was. But that's kind of like the love play language that you have, what you're significant of her right. So for me that's just how it is like. Even when I'm cooking here, that was my love language became a coke. But depending on what I'm making, if I'm in the fucking world that needs me to go from here to here, here to here get the fuck off of me.
Speaker 1:And it was kind of like the same thing with my girl, like if she was doing the same thing at that point in time, you know, I would go in there and give her a hug and kiss and everything. She goes and she'll be like I'm cooking as like this is a like I was like. I know I just want to kiss you. Do you need any help?
Speaker 2:I think if a man was more in tune with the woman's body language. Oh yeah, Absolutely that alone will be a huge help. The problem is the men don't necessarily want to take the time sometimes because, like you said, they're so sexually driven. Their focus is like, okay, just let's just do it you know why.
Speaker 1:You know why. I can tell you exactly why. Why, when men are sexually driven and they're just focused on it, do you realize how much time that men have to be able to work, all the fucking time that they work so much? And we forget what our wives, their wives, actually like? Because we're so fixated on our jobs. Because we're so fixated on our jobs, so when we come home and we're trying to do something and we think that this is what we know about our girls and the girls are just like huh, they take that as miscommunication because we forget how to pleasure them. We're too busy pleasuring our other bosses and trying to do the work and make the money to make ends meet, so we can have a roof over our head.
Speaker 2:You're not wrong Because there are guys that they know exactly what their woman likes, regardless of life. Yeah, why?
Speaker 1:because they put the effort into learning her body, her language her, her communication, without even speaking I guarantee you, the man who's more invested in his job will forget what you like, and he's only going to remember all the disses you give to him, because that's all he's ever gotten to know.
Speaker 2:Exactly. So he's forgetting how to love you again, because all you're doing is technically being another boss, but at home.
Speaker 1:Exactly Because you're forgetting how to turn off. You're forgetting to put one thing aside and doing it on this side. And for me, I was invested in my work all the time. She was invested in her work, I was invested in my work. We made sure we didn't have opposite schedules. We want to make sure we got off of work. We came home and we spent time with each other. That was just pretty much it. Yeah, it wasn't until she started working overnight, where the little devilish in me was like Ooh free time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, but that was getting towards the end of my coming out of the closet type thing, you know what I mean. So that that there for me was kind of like yikes, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it wasn't because I was playing with another woman, I was playing with another man, so and that was towards the end of our relationship. All the other women's I've ever had, I've loved them, coddled them and yeah, I was still battling other things and whatnot, but I did like these women, I really did. They were, they were my pride and joy for every. There's one relationship I still love to this day because she's always been my favorite and I haven't even told her that you've always been my favorite girl and I still love you so day because she's always been my favorite and I haven't even told her that You've always been my favorite girl and I still love you, so she likes that.
Speaker 1:So she's just like I like when you say that I was like of course, and I still have her high school badge.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's right yeah.
Speaker 1:I still have her high school badge and that will always, forever stay with me. So she knows she. So she knows she knows and she's married. So I'm proud of her. But she's diabetic and everything and whatnot, so she has her own little issues and she lost her dad. It was really close with her dad too as well. She's always asked me if you and I weren't, if you think that we would stood a chance. If I gave you a shot, I was like, in all honesty, love, I would have fucked you up hard and I'm not talking about like fucking you, um, she goes. So if I had gave you my virginity, that wouldn't have mattered. I was like your virginity did not matter to me because I didn't care to take it, because I was so in love with you that I respected that boundary for you, even if you did give it to me, and we had an actual intimate relationship, depending maybe, I just don't know. I was like if I had to guess, it would probably end it, just like how it was with me and my last ex-girlfriend.
Speaker 2:Because, at the end of the day, because you knew what place you were at.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I knew what place I was at.
Speaker 2:And you knew what that was going to contribute to a good relationship Exactly no, you came from the right place, which was awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I told her, so I go, but I will always love you and you'll always be my favorite girlfriend period, Because I cared about you so so much.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I'm glad that we have that intimate relationship in high school because you got me through a lot of the issues through high school and the bullshit and the drama, and I couldn't have a better friend and a better girlfriend at that time and I appreciate every single minute of it and she was just like oh, she goes. You're going to make me cry.
Speaker 2:I'm like bitch. I want to cry and see. That's what I'm talking about. A woman, in all honesty I know I don't speak for every woman, because not every woman is like this, but majority of them. It's about the connection. Not so much about the physicality, not so much about the sex, it's about the connection. If you have a bomb ass connection, the sex is already going to be bomb.
Speaker 2:Yeah connection, the sex is already going to be bomb. Yeah, you know what I mean, because there's that, it's already established. You know what I mean for a woman when we say like, oh, they're not meeting our needs. You know, whatever, granted, because things are flipping, because now women are having to fulfill the roles that they're they expect their men to do, because their men aren't doing it and the men are kind of like well, I want princess treatment too now, because what the fuck you know what I mean like I'm not getting this.
Speaker 2:So roles are flipping and I'm and I don't mean, you know, men and women specifically, I'm just talking about masculinity and femininity, that's all yeah it's not um specific to gender at all, um, but those roles are flipping, so it's.
Speaker 2:I think it's hilarious that now that the women are having to become more independent and not needing the men, the men are just like really, and it's just like well, you only wanted this, but you didn't want to give it this 100. You only wanted to give the part that you did and not the part that the women needed. So the women are kind of like cool, I guess I'll just take care of myself.
Speaker 2:And now you're mad that we don't need you and the men are kind of like okay, but what about our needs? You're, you're not, you know, but we have, we've given into their needs because majority of the majority and not all men. Majority of them are on a physical level. They get that all the time. We'll give it to it. I'm not all women, but we'll give it up all the time because, we like it too. You know what I mean, but. But where's the reciprocity?
Speaker 2:yeah it's like I give you the physical part, you're gonna give me the mental part, and they're like uh, uh, they short circuit, and it's like crap, yeah, so you don't get it, so we're not getting satisfied. So there have been women where they have to start adopting the mind of an actual masculine man and they're kind of like, well, guess what? Then I'm gonna just go out and be a hoe, like y'all do, and I'm not gonna care and I'm not gonna attach no feelings, just like y'all do.
Speaker 1:And they're so bitter about it and they start to yeah, you're just describing a toilet right there they start to be bitter and they start to just be hella cut off, and they'll do just like a man does.
Speaker 2:They will sleep with all these men and they'll just be like oh, that was just the thing. Anyways, deuces, you know, like, oh, oh, like, bro yeah she's a whole ass man now she is. She's a whole ass man and you're mad and it's just like you have treated us like this. What did you expect? This is what we're learning now.
Speaker 2:This is like well, if you're not going, is what we're learning now right it's like well, if you're not going to give it, we have to give it to ourselves, and if we can't find it in another man, we're going to find it in another woman who's who is willing to give us the connection and the intimacy that we're like, or we're just going to be like you know what? It's cool, I can satisfy myself.
Speaker 1:There's things that exist now for all of us to just satisfy ourselves and then we don't even need anybody.
Speaker 2:But that kind of sucks. That kind of sucks, because then the balance of femininity and masculinity is not it's no longer there it's no longer there and it's not equal. So it's just like guess what now? Nobody is satisfied. Nobody is satisfied because the roles are flipping and it's not.
Speaker 1:It's not feeling right no more, because it's like crap you know what I mean like then what do you do?
Speaker 2:yeah, then what do you do?
Speaker 1:seeing anything. That's the main thing, like when people get into like relationships and be able to deal with certain things and it's you. You kind of see. It's always in young generations and there's always in the young crowd, because you get the young ones that are finally found their high school sweetheart, because they still want that. You know. Oh, my god, my high school sweetheart. This is the only thing I've known. It's been great and we've been together for like 30 years already, and I was like getting all.
Speaker 1:you're like, wait, y'all, it's only been y'all, two. Like yeah, nobody else, no, um, so tell me a little bit about yourself. I want to know everything. I want to know everything. Like honey, how did you stay with it? Like because, are you okay? Well, yeah, well, it's not just like okay, because I've. I've what I've always noticed, and and this is one particular relationship, I'm not going to call it out though, but I'm pretty sure she's listening to it here right now is I know of a relationship that's kind of like that. Yeah, you know, first, girlfriend lost virginity. They're still together. He cheated, they have a kid, yeah, big mess. But here's the thing and the upside to that, when two people can only just know them, and they don't have had any other relationships other than them.
Speaker 1:They're afraid to let go because they're so used to each other, so it becomes toxicity. They found out that they were cheating. They've been another mistress, they have this, they have that, and I'm just like interesting. I was like so you've never known another man's touch period? Like no, like why would I need I have my man? When was the last time your man touched you? Um, let's see, I'm 30 now last time it was 20 um yeah, just you know what?
Speaker 2:it's cool, you don't have to answer you don't have to answer.
Speaker 1:I was like you don't have to answer. You don't have to answer. I was like you don't have to answer and it's always like, oh, why are you? Are you offering? I mean, I will, but I'm going to destroy you.
Speaker 2:I love that you said that Because I just recently I know it's an old video, but I just came across that video of that man that was talking about pissing men off because he was saying because, girl, if we have to go to your cousin's wedding or something he goes, we'll dress each other up, we'll be matching because I have no problem and he goes, we'll have already pre-gamed he goes, so we're taking an Uber because we're not driving.
Speaker 2:blah, blah, blah. He goes, we're going to go and we're going to be dancing, we're going to be fashion police. He was describing this whole bomb ass date. You know, blah, blah, blah and, of course, home. These guys are just like oh, y'all are taking y'all's women. He's like we ain't taking nobody. She has a choice. Yeah, you forgot that.
Speaker 2:She's a person and she has a choice, yeah, but the fact that the gay man will treat us better than the straight man is a huge deal and it pissed a lot of straight men off. And I'm just like did you guys pay attention to, though, what he was saying? Yeah because he was showing you, he was literally describing. All you needed was the little bit of attention to detail in her day, in her mood, in her whatever, and it wasn't even big deals it was like here, let me fix your lipstick.
Speaker 2:Here, we're gonna have ice cream afterwards. Here, like, let's, let's go for a dance on the floor.
Speaker 1:Like see, I was so comfortable with my sexuality that I did help out a lot of my girls, my girlfriends, with their sexual, not their sexuality. You know that my last ex-girlfriend she's never had a pet smear period, she never knew.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you tell me yeah, she never knew anything about that and I had to help her out Dressing. She only knew country, that's it. She was a country girl. She only knew how to wear cowboy boots, that. So I had to go take her out and get her more of in the feminine style because, you know, we were going to, I think, a wedding or something like that. Yeah, I was like, oh, I know this country. Like I, we got to wear dresses. I'm like, okay, cool, let's go pick out a dress. So I picked out a few dresses and everything she goes. How do you know all this stuff? I was like women and not know how to fucking dress a woman's body like hello, yeah, but there's a lot of men out there who do take care of themselves, like one of your co-workers is one of those ex-prime examples. I thought he was gay and he's not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'm just like. He just likes to take care of himself and he loves fashion. Yeah, like he loves looking good and he so he makes sure he looks good at all times every single time and the funny thing is it's not for anybody, it's for himself yeah like he's not like doing this, like I want to look fly for the ladies that come in here like no no, he's just very respectful actually and here's a funny thing, because I'm the same way too, but I'm not someone who dresses nice all the fucking time.
Speaker 1:You see me jeans t-shirt. I look like a straight gay, that's pretty much all it is like. I look like a straight gay, that's all it is like. I look like a D-Oak person, literally. I don't dress myself nicely. I'm a lesbian gay.
Speaker 2:She's a straight gay, not a gay gay.
Speaker 1:I'm not a gay gay, I'm a straight gay. You know, I'll go straight into your ass and then leave you. I'll leave you like your dad left you when he went to go get the milk. Oof, oof.
Speaker 2:Oof Don't. When they go get the milk. Uh, don't forget the cigarettes. Don't forget the milk and the cigarettes so I it's hilarious, yeah, literally um it's yeah, he he he takes care of himself and I love that.
Speaker 1:I love when straight men take care of themselves, you're just like, oh, and I was like man. I was like I got a question like are you gay? Like why do I come off gay? No, you just take care of yourself really fucking well, and I hate you for it you.
Speaker 2:You know what, though? Um, that co-worker had asked me. You know, if, when you first met me, did you think I was gay? And I was like, no, why? And he goes, apparently a lot of people do, and I'm just like it's because he takes care of himself and I told him.
Speaker 2:I said, let me guess. I said, because he said the way you dress, the way you carry yourself, he's like yes, and he goes. Is it bad? And I'm like no. I said, but people nowadays are like, oh, he's fashionable, he must be gay. And it's like when the hell did that get associated with that? Like granted, they're fashionable hell. Yeah, they know their shit, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're all gay.
Speaker 1:There's metrosexual, you know Well let's face it who runs the industry in the fashion Gay?
Speaker 2:True, but that doesn't mean everybody is.
Speaker 1:Who really creates the fashion? Gay men who drives the trend? Gay men Straight people who literally try to do fashion or fashion statements, who want to fit in because this is what they like doing. They like taking care of themselves yes, they like, carrie, taking care of themselves. Yes, they're very in tune with a feminine side, where they like to dress themselves and it does come off occasionally.
Speaker 2:gay- yeah, you know what I mean. I was surprised. I was like, oh that's, I'm not. Surprised at the fact that people thought that.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:I'm surprised that he was surprised. You know what?
Speaker 1:I mean, you know what I mean, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 2:I didn't think you were against him, because I don't judge people like that. I'm just kind of like you don't know people until they tell you yeah, you know what I mean. Like that's it.
Speaker 1:So but you see, gay people don't have boundaries either when it comes to like, when they see something, because they really want to push the envelope and try to get that guy in the bedroom. Oh, he's like, watch, I'm gonna get him in the bed, show you that he's gay. I'm like, bro, bro, stop, like, stop. You're sending us back like 10 years. You know, just don't do that. You just don't do that.
Speaker 1:But take it down a notch, oh dude, but I like messing with my straight people. I like messing with my straight people in a flirtatious way though, but straight people can do gay shit a lot more better than gay people can do.
Speaker 2:And vice versa.
Speaker 1:Well, not even vice versa. That's so. That's just facts. There aren't things gay people could do better than straight people. No, not even other than trying to please a woman and take care of the woman in a lavender relationship. That's probably the only thing we got going for each other, because that's it. Other than that, we can suck a dick really good and eat ass and fuck a whole good, but other than that we're we're not ashamed to show our bodies off and be whatever, and and that's kind of.
Speaker 1:That's kind of the thing like what, how divided we are as men, gay and straight, because there's dog straps that I've only know to be associated with. Just gay men, period, because you have different one, you have the christian andrews, you got nasty pig. You have all these different type of genres of of underwears that are catered to these kind of men, and I forget that straight men wear them too, because women like their men in jock straps, right? So that's the thing. Men, straight men like wearing sexy underwear for the women, because women like their men in sexy underwear, and they like men who have a fat ass, who comes, who has everything as well, and some men like women in lingerie too as well, and maybe they just like that thing where they're just turned on by the lace that they're wearing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which is really fantastic and that's a thing. That's a thing, and it's not for everybody because it's it's like the kinks, you know what?
Speaker 1:I mean it's the same thing.
Speaker 2:There's people that get turned on by things that other people don't.
Speaker 1:It is I love when a woman wore lingerie and I've always hated. I've always hated. When I hear a woman, they're just like I don't know why I wear lingerie. It comes off like in two seconds. I'm like whoa, what do you mean? So you mean to tell me when you wear it they don't take, they don't take like little pieces off, like slowly at a time, or try using your teeth, or you know just the fit again, it's that focus, it's that ego, it's they're off, they're get them getting off, that's their.
Speaker 1:It's just like it goes back to the whole thing as much as I like a man in a fucking lace garments and I'm talking about lingerie, and they look, I love a fucking man in lace. Oh, it's so hot. And then it's so. I don't even like it because it hits all the curves just as much as and I'm not talking about a really fit guy, because I'm talking and I'm saying all men, because I, I wear at least sometimes too as well. But when a girl wears it, and they wear it properly and they're snatching their waist, I'm just like, see, see, I want this is yo, what'd you do, baby girl? Yo, what'd you do, baby girl? See, I don't think I'm mansplaining anything at all, whatsoever, I'm just.
Speaker 2:I'm just I said like I'm pretty sure you were gonna do just fine, because growing up around women you start to learn how they function, so it's easier for you to be able to relate to a woman and the way they function yeah, as opposed to just being focused on yourself right I will say a story I it is personal.
Speaker 2:I hope my brother doesn't mind, um, but my brother's the little brother he's. He was the youngest sibling, so naturally he grew up around a bunch of women. Yes, my stepdad did come into our life, but a bit later. He was young enough to be able to have a whole father figure for majority of his life, right. So, but our relationship with him. It was literally just us and our brother.
Speaker 2:You know, what I mean. So my brother grew up knowing females. Naturally Did he display any kind of feminism, femininity. No, not really, he still stayed in his masculinity, like no big deal, it wasn't any.
Speaker 2:he didn't show any signs of adopting any femininity you know I was kind of like okay, go beans, like that's not, that's neither here nor there. But I thought it was very interesting because when us, as girls, we were going through things emotionally, like breakups, like hormone crap, crap, you know whatever, it was adorable. Our little brother would come and be like you okay, sis, you know what I mean. And we're like yeah, I mean no, but yeah, like you sure, like you want to talk, like he was so comforting to us and I'm like what are you doing here, kid? You know? Like like you don't need to be here, not, not in an ugly way.
Speaker 2:I appreciated my brother being concerned for us because obviously the dude that just broke our heart didn't give two shits about it you know what I mean? My little brother's coming in there and he's like it's, it's okay. You know like I'm just like he's gonna make an awesome husband someday.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, he really is because he can understand.
Speaker 2:This woman is stressed. You know what I mean, and when we're stressed we function a completely different way. We'll function all kinds of different ways. Some of us will be psycho and some of us will just be a whole ass puddle on the floor. You know what I mean. It depends, but he already knew to pick it up and just be like, just ask.
Speaker 2:At least ask, because sometimes that's all they need. You know what I mean. And I'm just like another time I was a lot older I was having I was having issues with my monthly cycle.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And it got incredibly bad. And one day I had got up and I had to go take a shower and apparently it was. I was hemorrhaging.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I didn't know. And when I got out of the shower I opened the door, my brother's standing in the hallway and he had just stood up off the floor and he looks at me. He's like are you okay? And I'm like, yes, I'm fine. Like why? The concerned face Like you know whatever. And he just kind of like looked down Apparently I was just hemorr, you didn't have to do that see, when I had that's my stuff I would have cleaned it, he's like oh, it's cool, sis, don't worry, I got it do you need anything, I'm like oh stop, you're like the best brother ever stop.
Speaker 1:You know what?
Speaker 2:I mean, like I said, he knew and he had no shame, it wasn't embarrassing, wasn't gross to him, none of that stuff. And I noticed that the girlfriends that he's had and, and specifically you know, his, his baby, his wife that he's with right now, whatever the relationship, is amazing because her thing is like he loves me so much but it's not like, oh, he's so in love with me. He's not like this whole Gomez Adams. It's not that, it's the fact that he pays attention to her.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:The way a woman needs Is he like doting on her and all over. Like no, no's, he's doing his thing, he's being the man, he's being the provider, he's taking care of business, he's working his ass off, whatever. But when he comes home he's like what do you need? You know what I mean? Like how can I help? What could?
Speaker 1:and she's just like you're the best man ever you know, and I'm just like, y'all are awesome, like stop it, y'all are awesome no, it's cool, but I love it because it makes me very proud.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that my brother picked up on it in a way, but he didn't use it to his advantage to be a douchebag to girls right and be like oh, I know what they want. Like I can take advantage of this and be a whole ass dick and get whatever I want.
Speaker 1:Like no he wasn't like that at all. No, I wasn't like that either, and it was funny because anytime I met a girl and I I remember a few times with my uh ex-girlfriend, my only issue with uh, with girls that I've always had, that I always have to teach them or educate them on, is like, uh, their panty liners, your their pads or whatnot, like how to cover them properly. Uh, out of respect, you know what I mean. I not that I'm not used to it, because my sisters were just as bad and my mom had to like teach them and I would have to teach them, like you know kind of yeah, we all had to learn.
Speaker 1:It was just kind of out of respect, you know for everything you know, people can see it, man yeah, it's I mean it's not the coolest thing to look at when you look at
Speaker 1:it, but you're like what the is going on here but it was something that I kind of understood with my girl, because I used to wash all the laundry and everything back in the day. I don't do it now, hubby does it now, so he's, if he listens to this, he'll be like oh, you used to bike them, bitch, I don't do it, I don't want to do it now. My days are done, um, so anywho. Um, I would pay attention to my girl's panty lines because, you know, making sure she was okay or whatnot yeah, I saw it was a good indicator of her health.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah so a few times times when I saw her I would see the lining of her panties or whatnot. I'm just like, okay, I need to put these in hot water, soak them, fucking like whatnot. And she was always appreciated. She goes. I just noticed how much you put time and attention into underwear.
Speaker 2:I was like I need you to go see a gynecologist.
Speaker 1:She goes I've never been, you need to go. A gynecologist, a gynecologist she goes, I've never been, you need to go. I was like because there's some underlying issues that you're having with you know, uh, a lot of the stuff or whatnot that we would kind of like just pretty much chit chat about, yeah. So she was like yeah, of course, and there was a few times where she was, she was so heavy that I would sleep and I would feel this warmth come from her and I'm like what the fuck? And I'm just like no it can get that bad yeah, it came.
Speaker 1:It was that bad and she was. She woke up and she's like oh my god, oh my god. I'm just like don't tell me she goes there's there's a puddle, isn't there? She goes, yeah, and it's all over you. I am so sorry. It's quite all right. So I'm getting up and I have it like from the side of me all the way down to my leg and I'm just like whoa girl, did mike myers come visit?
Speaker 2:you shit. So me and my, sister will joke sometimes, like when we're having like a, a heavy day uh-huh we're just like you. Good, it's like oh, dude, it's a total crime scene.
Speaker 1:Okay, cool, yeah oh, what is it? Everyone in the group chat like. I told I here we're not going. So I told him I was like oh yeah you'd have to tell this. I couldn't get graphic with it.
Speaker 2:I didn't go to game night. We have a group chat and I didn't go to game night and jess was telling them it's because I I had a monthly visit you had, mother nature came to visit that you go. Came to visit yeah, something like that one of the other guys was like okay, you're just out here telling all his business, her business. And jess was like I can get graphic with it. I was like please don't you guys.
Speaker 1:Y'all are discussing my shit in the group chat like all they said was mother nature came to visit.
Speaker 2:You know, I'm just like and I was cool with it, like I was kind of like oh yeah, I mean I didn't say hey, chucky came to visit her and stabbed her. She had she's dealing with the whole crime, yeah, like she literally had elmer inside her vagina me and art.
Speaker 1:The clown hung out her and freddy cougar were having good dreams.
Speaker 2:Got your pussy I only say art the clown, because he's more gory than everybody he really is. Yeah, I just think of uh freddy cougar just coming out with oh my god.
Speaker 1:Now sir, shredded bro no that's pretty much how it was, but for her that's how it was in the bedroom, right? But luckily I've I've always learned to always have a bed lining underneath it like a protector for the mattress, so it doesn't seep through. So I must have bought like 50 of those at any time and washed them and swapped them out, and she would go in the shower and I was like, okay, well, this is what you're going to do, put a heat pad on your stomach and whatnot, and just lay there for a moment.
Speaker 2:Don't sleep with it, please, because then you're going to burn yourself yeah, I mean not that it matters and nothing that we do is not.
Speaker 1:It's not going to change the flow oh no, not at all yeah whatever happens during your cycle is going to happen, but you know for me I've always I've always, uh uh made her special dinners that she had comfort food and a lot of her comfort food was like macaroni and cheese, chocolate, all that stuff.
Speaker 1:So it was kind of like my shit is carbs yeah, carbs, carbs, I want something big and heavy so I would make something big and heavy like pasta or something like that, but every time it was always macaroni and cheese. So I bought a box of chocolates and I'm talking about like Hershey's and I bought them in bulk and I kept them in the thing and I put on their emergencies. Only it was an emergency, so she knew I had bought them, but I kept them in a special place so she doesn't get to it and I don't get to it nice and we had to keep it in a place where it was nice and cold, because we didn't want yeah chocolate right
Speaker 1:so I would make her macaroni and cheese and everything and I would go and feed her and I'd take it to the room and whatnot and I would put it on the she would be laying down and I would put the tv tray by the door and I would put the macaroni and cheese, a soda I would put lemon pepper on the side for it, because I got her hooked on with lemon pepper with the. Yeah, that. And then in like two or three blocks, uh, chocolates and I would bang on the door.
Speaker 1:The beast has been fed wow wow, she would come out, you dick I would too.
Speaker 2:I'd be like you know what, I don't even care. She would go I'm a beast, whatever. Yeah, I'll be like I wouldn't even care. Be like yeah, we'll roll with that, whatever you call me whatever the hell you want, it was just so funny like it was.
Speaker 1:It was, but it's kind of like one of those things it was. It felt very good to kind of take care of my girl at that time. You know what I mean, because it was a different feel. Now gay men, it's a little bit differently, because we don't have that issue at all. The only issue we have is maybe diarrhea and upset stomach, yeah, and there are messes that are. It happens, it happens, right. So we were just like listen, I don't want to freak you out, but we have a little mess in the back door area and I kind of get that's going to be a thing though. But if you want to jump in the shower, I'll clean up here and we'll take care of everything else for you. Ok, oh my God, they freak out. I'm like no, no, no, no, no, no, we're not going to freak out.
Speaker 2:It's a human body, man, it's a human body. And then you're playing in a place where hello Hello. Of course it's going to be there. You're going to encounter that sometimes. Come on.
Speaker 1:And girls normalize pegging your husband. If he pegging you, peg him.
Speaker 2:I just think it's like oh my God, that's gross. I will say this If a guy wants to go to your back door, you make sure you can ask if you can go back to his too as well and see how he likes, and I guarantee you he'll stop asking if you don't want him to go if you don't want to, because I'm telling you.
Speaker 1:But I think that's just kind of like the thing that you know it's. It's fun that you get to know your anatomy as a person and get to know your body, because knowing your body or knowing a female's body, I will say I like a female's body better and getting to know them in a sense because they have a different structure than men do, and I know men already don't. I'm not saying I don't love my husband's body or anybody else's, but a female structure is a little bit different. Yeah, it really is, and it's so cute to see because you know, you see them like they, they really like fierce. You know it's like you put in a whole lot of effort and then when you see them on relationships, on dates and everything and they get cozy up and they have their kids I'm like, oh, that's so cute, fuck them kids.
Speaker 1:So I don't know, it's really cute, it's uh it's a lot of I will.
Speaker 2:I mean, and this is for people in general, it's not just for women, but maintenance man, oh my.
Speaker 1:God, dude, I feel sorry for y'all, I really do.
Speaker 2:I'm just like.
Speaker 1:Because look, as a guy there are, you know you're looking at facial products and everything. I'm just like. Yeah, I like like my facials, but normally with the shower, yeah maintenance alone on our bodies is hell.
Speaker 2:I don't get me wrong, there's some girls. They love it, they enjoy it and I'm like good for you, dude oh, also go also.
Speaker 1:Go ahead Also to stop Stop taking over. And what I mean by stop taking? Stop speaking for your husband, stop it. And, husband, stop Stop speaking for your wife, because I can't tell you how many times that irks the fuck out of me. It really does irk the fuck out of me Because it's like you. I try to make sure I don't do it either, because sometimes I will speak on hubby's behalf sometimes and I'm catching myself. I'm like fucking tell them, yeah, you know. And I'm just like I go did you tell him this, did you tell him that? And sometimes my feminine comes out sometimes or whatnot, because my mom taught me that ask questions, always ask questions about certain things that are happening, because you never know right and um, I can't tell you how many times I've spoken to somebody and the the significant other is always speaking on their behalf.
Speaker 1:yeah, they, they can't fucking speak for themselves, like they don't know. Well, tell them, I take speak and say something. I don't know, I feel, okay, I'm like really you were just complaining about this, like I think it depends.
Speaker 2:I think it depends Like, for example, excuse me, James and I, who were in our relationship, we were comfortable if one was speaking for the other, like but because he knew what I would say and I just would say, and I just I wasn't um very communicative, communicative with the person because I didn't know them that well you know what I?
Speaker 2:mean, I didn't mind the information, you know what I mean. So he would be like, oh yeah, she, you know, this isn't. I would just be like you know what I mean. And same thing with james. When he didn't know the person, he wasn't too comfortable, but they were asking for his thing, he was comfortable with me. He's like, oh yeah, no, he does this, this, this or where.
Speaker 1:And he would just agree like, yeah, you know, like I'm not, yeah, I don't want to put him in a position where he feels forced yeah, because some people who like ryan, yeah, uh, they're like oh, I like your husband, but every time I try communicating he's like he doesn't say anything at all whatsoever. And I just found out he blocked me and I'll come talk to him. I was like, why did you block this person? Oh, because he was fucking annoying and you know, kept going and I'm just like here, I'm just like, ah, that makes sense and I'll go. Did you annoy him with like messages and everything goes well. Yeah, I was like oh, that's why you got blocked. What I, what I?
Speaker 2:didn't like was when, um, they behaved in particular ways because their significant other didn't want them to do something specific with their bodies, and I'm like it's your body why?
Speaker 1:why did they have?
Speaker 2:to say so, I'm sorry, what like? And it wasn't that big a deal, but I encountered it a lot when I was working in a salon after I got my license for the hair thing. It was the same thing. I would go, I would be at work and these girls would come in and they're like, oh, I want a haircut. And I'm like hell to the yeah, like we're gonna do a whole ass thing. So I'm like cool. I'm like, okay, what kind of haircut you're looking for? They're like, oh, just a trim. And I'm like, oh, then we're just gonna take off the ends, like, okay, how much did you want? You know?
Speaker 2:I figured maybe something significant that would make them feel like they got a whole ass haircut no they're like oh no, just like maybe an inch or two, not not too much, because then my husband would get so mad like that. He likes it long, and I'm like bitch, is your husband shampooing it for you?
Speaker 1:and conditioning and brushing it and oiling it and and styling it like I can't say much because my when I was my girlfriend, I didn't want her cut her hair because I liked it, long I did. I was so anal about that I was like don't you dare cut your fucking hair short that's hilarious but?
Speaker 1:but we would take showers a lot and I always would wash her hair for her. I didn't give a fuck. I was like, don't ever cut you. I was like the tips, you're fine. And I would wash her hair and do everything. Only reasons because I like pulling. Yeah, you can't pull short hair. I mean you can, but it's not as significant because think about it this way, if you have long hair, and I'm going from from behind.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to pull your hair. I don't want to go over there and then pull you all the way back.
Speaker 2:I just want to grab whatever hair. Yeah, he's like. I just want to pull your hair. Yeah, exactly, I can't bend this way, you know.
Speaker 1:So I get that and I get some and some piercings. I get it too as well, but occasionally I'm just like I kind of want to do certain things, though, but that's funny because my hair is as long as it is.
Speaker 2:There are people that think like, oh, it's like your husband likes it like that. And I'm like, no, no, no, excuse you, rude, what a dick, I'm sorry. No, you're not. No, you're not, but no, it was funny because everybody was like, oh, I kept my hair long because James liked it long. And I'm like, no, I keep it long because I like it long. I've only cut my hair twice in my life, that's it. It's because I like it long.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go to hell.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you are.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go to hell. James is going to insure it. Actually, he really is. I need to be mad. I felt mad I felt the yeah, as I'm like I'm sorry. What don't you dare disrespect him again? I don't give a fuck. I'll do it again and not in a bad way but no, it does.
Speaker 2:It irks me when people don't do things for themselves because their significant other wants to have control over aspect of their body and I and I'm like it's their body, man, like you're supposed to love them as they are. It doesn't matter what they do. Like that's just weird to me.
Speaker 1:I can't say anything, because that's kind of hard for me, because I will say I will naturally agree with you on that because you're not wrong. For me it's kind of hard because I am very, very hairy and a lot of men love a hairy body and every time I'm like I just want to get rid of it, they're like no, don't like bitch, why not bitch?
Speaker 1:this is fucking hot like it's winter time okay, great, I can deal with it. But summer everything sticks like fucking velcro man taking on my shirt. Oh my god, that's so nasty. So that's what I said it's like even the beard too. Like I hate my sometimes, I love the beard.
Speaker 2:I really do because, just like y'all's makeup, it makes me look younger, right so I know there's these dudes that are that they look so incredibly handsome with their big ass beards and they're just like I'm gonna cut it off for the summer. It's like too hot. I'm like I'm not going to tell a man, you know, to not like, hey, you do whatever it is that makes you feel comfortable. But my thing is like oh, I get so like bummed out, like oh, he's not going to look so handsome, no more.
Speaker 2:I don't know that it's just because I'm used to seeing you're so used to seeing the big, old, full beard, but you see for me.
Speaker 1:I've always. You see me without my beard, yeah, and you see me with my beard. So, baby face without the fucking beard, like, fucking, send me back, like 10 years. Yeah, whatever fucking reason, have my beard. I look my age, yeah. But even people who tell me oh, you look like you have your beard and you look like you're like 20, I'm like oh my god, thank you, but no.
Speaker 2:I think it just depends on you as a whole. I think so.
Speaker 1:But it's like whatever, I'm still laughing. When I said about James, I can't believe I said that out loud. Not the first time he says some shit out loud. No, it's not.
Speaker 2:He's like oh, did I say that out loud yeah.
Speaker 1:I was thinking in my head and my mouth goes bleh.
Speaker 2:Your. Did I say that out? Loud? Yeah, I was thinking in my head and my mouth goes bleh.
Speaker 1:Your mouth betrayed you like a bitch. It did. It did Like a big back it did Like a bitch. Like a bitch, like a Twinkie, like a Twinkie.
Speaker 2:But yeah, as far as, like I said, women and what they want, what they need, it's complicated, but it's not complicated.
Speaker 1:And I know that doesn't make hashtag know your woman's body, just saying it's. I think it's one of the things that's the importance before we go here, because we're already going over the hour. Uh, the importance is is like getting to know your woman now, those who are listening to it and be like oh, what do they know? And blah, blah, blah, blah. You know what. Everyone has their opinion.
Speaker 2:This is all from personal experiences.
Speaker 1:Man yeah this is just for me.
Speaker 2:We're not speaking for every man and every woman.
Speaker 1:Nah, not at all, because I don't know what most women want or whatnot. I'm gay. I know what men want and what they like or whatnot. At the end of the day, there are some like a woman doesn't so, and that's going to be fair. Each of their own and that's all respectable, because it's just like no, I get that boundary and whatnot.
Speaker 2:So we are not. Every man is is attracted to me the way I am yeah you know what I mean, and it's like okay, cool, I'm still me. Though yeah, I want what I want, so I'm not attracted to every man either.
Speaker 1:I remember I had one guy's like oh, you're so beautiful, but it's sad that your dick is not as big as it used to be.
Speaker 2:Like god damn, tell me how you really feel I would assume, I would assume in for gay men, it's going to be a little bit more of an issue when it does come to physicality, when it does come to physical contact, when it does come to sex, only because, well, it is exactly what it is. It's nothing but a bunch of men who always have that focus and that sex drive and the ego and the determination it's just like, oh crap, as opposed to taking a time with the woman.
Speaker 2:Now, granted, you do that you know what I mean but that's because that's who you are that's what you like to do. It brings you pleasure. To bring other people pleasure long term, you, you know what.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 2:I know not everybody's like that, but my thing is kind of like oh crap, like at least with the woman there's the whole oxytocin thing. But it takes time, it takes effort.
Speaker 1:Did you know that men also produce oxytocin too, as well?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, but it doesn't give them. It's not in the amounts that a woman produces.
Speaker 1:No, so it doesn't give them the same effect. But it's more in a gay man than it is in any other straight man. And this is where it comes to be the physicality, when it comes to the bottoms, because the bottoms are just like females and legit, and I mean that 100%. They, yes, we have testosterone. Testosterone our sex drive is a lot higher than anything else.
Speaker 1:but when it comes down to a bottom and a person who is going to take the take that their physicality is no different than a woman's because they feel the same way too, oh yeah, because well, physicality yes, chemical is different I want to say maybe physicality and chemically balanced balance, because when you become so in touch with your feminine side as a bottom and I know some bottoms gonna be like don't, don't speak on that, but not all of you motherfuckers, not all of you.
Speaker 2:But some of the time we're not speaking for everybody.
Speaker 1:Yeah for those who have that physic, that that nurture of having a woman's fatality, of being wanting, and I'm not talking about them transitioning, they just have this thing where you literally put a woman side by side with another gay man who just bottoms and maybe has that same thing. They produce the same. That probably will be a lot more higher than a straight man would.
Speaker 1:And it's just so amazing to actually kind of see Now I'm not saying that just in bottoms, because I'm going to retract my statement on this is that it also happens in tops too. You know what I mean. Certain tops are wanting certain things as well, so they put them side by side to a woman. They have the same chemical balance when it comes down to it. Now, the balances of those chemicals can be completely different than what it already is, right, so health-wise, if you're looking at it.
Speaker 2:See you produce it.
Speaker 1:You produce it.
Speaker 2:It's just not on the scale for the women Because, like I said, for the woman that equates to. I don't want to say love because love sounds too limiting.
Speaker 1:No, because it's the same thing when it comes to a woman. If you put both people who think the same way of their touch, they're wanting certain things. There are men out there who literally are no different than how a woman is when it comes to the gay community. Because they have the same feeling they don't produce the chemicals and be like yeah, I want to jump on every fucking tom, dick and hair right, like me right I'm a prime example for me.
Speaker 1:I can fuck anything. Unfortunately, I hate it sometimes. I really do I. I love it and I hate it at the same time, because I know what attracts me and I know that my love language is physical touch right if you touch me one time, I'm gonna let you fuck me. That's so, yeah, ultimate whore. How dare you? You take her man away. No, no, no, no, no. They do it on their own actually they come to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not the other way around.
Speaker 1:I don't find them, they find me, they seek you out.
Speaker 2:They don't find you. They seek you out.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying they seek me out, because sometimes if I'm talking to guys or whatnot, and I, since I'm a chubby guy, I tend to like my chubby chasers a little bit more. If I lost the weight then I would be the one chasing the chubbies, because I do look me a chubby guy. Um, but it's uh, it's so, it's. I can't explain like how my lifestyle is. It's just like I'm not saying that men come and find me or trying to seek me out. I just don't go and seek it or try if, unless I'm really fucking like in the mood right and I need, then I will seek it.
Speaker 1:Or I'll ask one of my boys I'm like, hey, what are you doing? Because I'm fucking needing it yeah or I'll ask master cat and master catch is like shit, you know where I live, come on. Or we will set up an appointment or whatnot, but anywho, it's just. It's basically just that like I get where people are coming from, where they just don't fucking touch me yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I'm just like dude, respect, I see it on tiktok all the fucking time and we get in trouble for it. We get in trouble, the whores get in trouble. I'm just like um, excuse you, we're not trying to fuck you. Like not all of us want to touch you or be able to touch that. Like why are you getting mad at us? Like I'm sorry that other people ruin it for you, but don't get mad at us for it that other men are ruining, like I can't control that.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, I know what I say and whatnot. But you need to stop saying whores as a plural, like everyone's doing this to you, right? You need to do what we're doing. It's saying that why are most whores wanting to do this and don't have that respect and boundary for us? When we're asking you don't do it, then I can be like yep, that's not me, you know. But then again it goes to if the shoe fits, fucking wear it right. But I know this person's not directly to me, but like we sexualize everything so bad in media and movies and music videos.
Speaker 1:It's so overly done, yep, and these apps and everything that we have, which we've already spoke to. They're mad for dating, but let's face it, we as a community as a whole straight or gay ruin it, because that's all we're looking for is just to fuck, let's just put it that way. And people are like, well, I'm just there to look for somebody and then I would put in my bio and no one reads it. Who fucking reads? Who fucking reads? I'm sorry, no one fucking ever reads. No one reads the term. You think anybody's gonna read the terms and conditions or anything, not if they're looking for that, yeah exactly why would I want to go and read?
Speaker 1:well, I just said but read my bio, bitch, I saw your ass. Why would I fucking read your bio? You know what I mean. Like you've, you did it to yourself. Yep, you know what I mean. So it's like I I get people, or, and I don't get it because I see profiles that show off their bodies, their ass, their dick, and literally it says read bio. Then you read by looking for an intimate relationship and just want someone who loves me and everything, with your ass as your face pick. You're looking for intimacy, you don't want no one to touch you, but you have your ass as a face pick.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, that's ass backwards, it's got an ass face you got an ad like literally, literally, oh, and don't ask for face pics, because if you don't have them, I'm not, I'm not gonna ask, okay, so your ass is who. I identify you as hello asshole. How are you? Hey, god damn dude. Hey, muscles, how's it going? Why you keep calling me muscles? Because I don't know what the fuck you look like hey, butt cheek birthmark. Hi, how are you doing?
Speaker 2:hey, it's fucking stupid dude like that is kind of like, like you're not what what do you want?
Speaker 1:it's no different. Okay, it would be no different than a woman where, like if she's not showing her face and it's just her, all her body, all her body, and it's very sexual, very provocative. We're I'm automatically thinking, oh shit, she's looking for sex, she's down, yeah, she's, she's dtf dude. So is the other guy? No, I'm not saying that. Oh, how dare you. You're just saying, because I'm dressing sexual, that.
Speaker 1:No, I'm just saying that you're on an app that people are trying to actually physically find dates. Don't you want to show people who you are as a person and not show exactly what you have? I'm not saying that we're all asking for it. I'm just saying in this particular sense, on an app, you're kind of presenting something as like damn, she looks like she's dtf, he looks like he's dtf. Right, but I'm not gonna fucking read the bio, I'm just gonna read in between the lines.
Speaker 1:You know, it's just like reading the pictures I'm reading the pictures, man Like hey yo nice cock, can I suck on it? Did you not read my bio? I'm just trying to find somebody. Then why do you have your dick as your profile pic? Yeah, doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is weird.
Speaker 1:It is weird. It is a little weird because I know I might get some flack for it or whatnot. Isn't it no different than telling a woman what to wear?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's strange, like if you're not going to be wanted for your body, why would you put your body out there as the first thing that people are going to see?
Speaker 1:Exactly Like I'm all cool, you can wear whatever the fuck you want to wear out there. Like you know, I'm all for it. Show off your body. It is who you are, you don't whatnot. But when it comes to an app where people over sexualize, it's so bad and the main thing I'm seeing is you in lingerie or you in your ass or you.
Speaker 2:What do you expect?
Speaker 1:What would you expect for anybody? You think anybody's going to read your bio.
Speaker 2:No, and you know what. That also goes for the opposite. Even if it's not an app specific for dating or any, or even getting any, if it's just social media as it is, the pretty privilege thing is ridiculous.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, very much so.
Speaker 2:Ridiculous because they see your face pic and they're like, oh my God, and you're just like. I'm just here to literally socialize and make friends. Like don't come at me like that, oh my god, but you're so beautiful, I don't and what, I wasn't peddling anything. Yeah, like it's just my face, this is my face is like oh well well you want me to change it up?
Speaker 1:yeah, it's like most guys who are in like in the leather community, bdsm, they'll show like off their chest, their harness, right, they'll post up photos and you know people are like oh my god, you're so hot and this and that, and I want to, you know, tear that up and you know, like in the comments bro, why are you being like that? That's just gross. I'm just like, why are you sharing it? You're not gonna watch commentary on what they're saying yeah yeah, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1:And then they start hitting on you like, oh well, are you?
Speaker 2:single. Are you looking for somebody like I'm on? This is social media, bro bro this is. This isn't a dating app, this is social media.
Speaker 1:It's always get them like do you? I? I've gotten tired of the fucking like this is for another, for another time. But I'm getting tired of people who are like hey, I'll send you two thousand dollars if you send me like a thousand.
Speaker 1:I literally told somebody can I just send you a dick pic and just get it for free, like at this point, and he just goes, he'll recopy and he just puts a question mark. No, I said what I said. Do you want a dick pic? Because, bro, what you're giving me it's about the same equivalent to what I would be sending you in money. So you might as well give it, and I'll give you my dick pic, like, yeah, we got a bargain deal, yeah, and then later block thank you, thank you, thank you, appreciate you mission that's all I'm doing.
Speaker 1:I'm just like like, I'll send you seven thousand dollars. If you send me two thousand dollars, I'll send you my dick pic for the seven thousand dollars. Bitch like and then just send me a question mark. Um, I said what I said. I said what I said my dick is worth two thousand dollars bonus photo.
Speaker 1:How about that. I'll show me my ass, girl, I don't know, look I get. And this is why I don't post a whole lot of nudity on my Facebook. I have blue sky just for that right, because that's where it's at. Like, if you want to see me bare as butt naked and having sex or doing something with my body, you can go see it there. Um, but even like snapchat, instagram, all of that stuff, I do get people in my messages every single time and they're just like oh, you're really hot, you're really sexy, oh, I appreciate it. Like, thank you, can I see your dick?
Speaker 1:uh, no, like like, no, like, bro. I don't like seeing guys dicks and if I'm being honest, I've seen one. I've seen them all.
Speaker 2:My toys are a lot more bigger than your dicks and they're probably gonna satisfy me 10 times better than that I love that jesse's saying this oh, dude, for real, like it's legit now, like I'm saying, because I I hate when men are just like oh yeah, let me send this girl a dick pic, and I was like you guys don't? You don't like it as much as you guys think we do, just yeah it's like nice, I will stroke a man.
Speaker 1:I will stroke a man's ego if I have to. Like oh dude, that's such a big dick. And blah, blah, blah. I'd like giving them what they want to hear. So it's fun. It's fun toying with fucking men who don't have respect. Like it's fun toying with them, like it really is. Like I have old photos when I was like in my 20s where my ass looked fucking good and I'm swimming sending those photos they're like hey, they're like right right, dude, my ass is fat.
Speaker 1:No, it's really fat, I know, thank you, thank you. And they see me like that doesn't look like your backside, no, it's just overweight it is, it's a little bit bigger.
Speaker 1:This is a little bit bigger. It's an upside down bullfrog. There's just extra fat around it now, so it'll now look smaller, but I mean, that's kind of the thing it's like getting it's you. You have this double-edged sword that people are passing around every single time. And when it comes to quote and I I love some of my friends, though some of them are very good they show off their body and you know they're not wanting. Certain suggestive comments on their profile is on there, but I'm just like I get it. I understand it. But I'm just like I get it. I understand it. But when you're posting up something, that's very sexual.
Speaker 2:Very provocative.
Speaker 1:Very provocative? Yeah, we're kind of not.
Speaker 2:We're not asking for it, as humans are wired to think in a particular way.
Speaker 1:That's pretty much it. We either deal with it in a way that is professional or we deal in a manner it's just like I. I'm doing this for me, for everybody else. I'm not trying to be a whore, I'm just expressing my body. I am loving my body. I just want to be able to express it. That is fine. You can be in the comments and see, like all this stuff and everything, but in the long run, as I am in the fucking business myself, either I take the fucking compliment and just go, thank you, I appreciate it Right and move on forward with it. I can't say every guy is a fucking creep, because I myself put myself in a position for my, for these guys to be a little bit creepy.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'm not saying that's all good, and correct me if I'm wrong, if I'm an ex. This is an open discussion for everybody to have this discussion, because you know it is what it is at the end of the day. Yeah, you know so. You know it's. It's the at the end of the day, you know so. You know it's, it's the name of the game. You know what I mean If I'm going to post up my ass on there and I'm being very provocative.
Speaker 2:Expect to receive.
Speaker 1:Save a lot Attention yeah.
Speaker 2:Regarding said ass.
Speaker 1:Exactly, we went off subject for 17 minutes, which is great. So, and who was you want with that information? We gave you a whole thing of the whole beautiful podcast of you know women, their body, getting to know them, getting to know who you are as a person, as an individual uh, to like pictures on the line and everything else towards the end, which is great. We know we went totally off subject. So if you stopped at the hour mark, perfect, if you listen to those things.
Speaker 2:hey, you made it If we pissed you off.
Speaker 1:you definitely made it and I can't wait for your comments. So I appreciate you seeing one of you gremlins. Thank you for tuning in to the mature mischief podcast.
Speaker 2:I am your host, daddy J and I am your cohost, delicious D delicious D until we meet again, until next time, love y'all, bye Ciao.
