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• Hillary Clark-Mina

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Embracing Aging: Hair Care Tips, Going Gray, and The Impact of Hormones

In this episode of Life Gloss, we dive into a range of topics centered around aging and hair care. Our hosts discuss turning 58, and explore how hairstyles can significantly impact our appearances as we age. They draw parallels between themselves and 'The Golden Girls,' and elaborate on the evolution of beauty standards. Key discussions touch upon the controversies and personal choices surrounding going gray, hair length, and the role of hormones in hair health. They also emphasize the relationships with hairstylists, trying wigs for a new look, and the importance of scalp care. Learn about some of their favorite products and actionable tips for maintaining healthy and beautiful hair at any age. Tune in to hear their stories, get product recommendations, and reflect on your own hair journey.

00:00 Welcome Back and Birthday Celebrations
00:42 Hair and Aging: A New Perspective
01:09 The Golden Girls and Modern Hairstyles
02:08 Personal Hair Stories and Salon Visits
02:41 The Big Three: Gray Hair, Length, and Hormones
03:23 Salon vs. Home Hair Care
08:52 Embracing Change and Personal Style
14:18 Scalp Sensitivity and Product Recommendations
16:53 Understanding Sudden Changes in Skin and Hair
17:39 Hormones and Hair Health
18:04 Product Recommendations for Scalp and Hair
19:33 Personal Hair Care Routines and Tips
23:59 The Great Length Debate
27:04 Defining Personal Style and Happiness
28:49 Considering Partner's Opinions on Hair
31:59 Engaging with the Community
32:25 Conclusion and Future Topics

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Susan:

Hey Life Glossers, we're back. Did you miss us? It's been a while! And, you know what's really cool, Hill? I'm another year older.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Happy birthday to you.

Susan:

Thank you! Fifty eight. And, um, yeah, I can't believe I actually can say that out loud and not, like, hit the desk.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

No,

Susan:

eight!

Hillary Clark-Mina :

it's not

Susan:

Anyway!

Hillary Clark-Mina :

It's only just

Susan:

the

Hillary Clark-Mina :

begun.

Susan:

It's only just beginning. So, I am stopping and smelling roses. As we, as we march into this new year. Um, I'm so excited. You know, we have a lot to talk about today. And I'm feeling really foxy. Um, because I just got back from New York. And of course, you know what that means. A trip to Arte Salon to see the magnificent Gemma so I can wake up and pretend that I just look like this and roll out of bed.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

I love it. And hair hair is such a hot topic, especially as we're getting older. You know, here's something that I realized as we were preparing for this episode. Do you realize that we are exactly the same ages of the golden girls? So.

Susan:

Oh, I want to be Bea. I want to be Bea. I like to be.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Right, so,

Susan:

Obviously.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

right, so, I was looking this up, and I was like, wow, we are aging so differently now than we did then. And I did this little peruse of the internet and found, if you put modern hairstyles on them, would it rewind the clock a little bit? Yes, to a certain degree, or if you put their hairstyles on us, would it advance our age? And the answer is yes, obviously skin is different now. We're not smoking like we used to. We're taking better care of ourselves. So all those things come into play, but hair definitely really makes a big difference. Hair, hair can really impact how we look and we feel. Okay.

Susan:

I have to tell you, um, yeah, it's like, you know, your birthday comes along and other people want to have these big parties. I just want to go to the salon and get my hair done because I know I'll feel better and it'll make blowing out that candle a little less painful. Maybe. I don't know. Um, but when I was in there. And bombing around New York. I did a little bit of shopping. I've got some fun things that I'm testing and trying it. It just there was three topics that I was like, I have to call Hillary. We have to get on the podcast. We have to talk about this with everybody and the three things that I want to cover with you today. And I want to know how you feel about all these going gray. The big controversy over going gray. Length. cut? Do you not cut? All that bullshit, right? the third thing I thought about was hormones in hair. And I want to share a little story, a super quick one, as we go through the products, because there's some products that I wanted to share, that I use, that I really like. I had a little bit of a hormone issue happening with my hair, and I

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Whoa.

Susan:

to Gemma about it. And we fixed it and we solved it and it was really simple. So about that in a minute.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

That's exciting. You know, I'd also like to add one more thing that we've talked about is salon versus in home. Cause as you know, I have been doing a three month experiment of coloring my own hair. I am going in in April and having her, you know, kind of fix things. Not that I've destroyed them. But I wasn't able to get the color. I don't really know my volume. I don't know my tone. So for me anyway, I'm going to go in quarterly if she'll still have me and have her do my color. But I have to maintain it at home every three weeks because my hair is so white. So we can talk about that too, because there are a lot of women at home that are like, I can't afford to go have my hair colored every three weeks. And I don't know what to do about this. Do I just surrender?

Susan:

I never surrender Dorothy. I have a tip for that and and Gemma and I talk about that a lot at the salon and again, it depends on how you're graying in your hair. So, you know what? Let's just get into it. Let's just get into the whole thing. So first thing Well, why don't we talk about gray, the whole gray thing? So in the research that I've been doing and talking to hair stylists and then especially, you know, talking to Gemma She has so much, um, Interesting information about going gray and whatnot and it's hereditary. It's genetic I mean, this is something that look at your parents or if you, you know, if you're able to how they went gray And that's going to tell you approximately, possibly, probably when you will begin to go gray.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Of course. Everyone in my family, premature gray. Late 20s, 30s.

Susan:

And I'm the opposite. You know, so I haven't started to go gray yet. I think we found one or two. and I haven't started to go gray yet. You know, you would think by this point, whereas like my husband started going gray in his thirties and now he's like totally white and he's younger than me. So it's just fascinating. Um, he likes to blame me for that and he's probably right. It's my fault. But I think that it's such a personal thing and I don't think it's something to be. ashamed of. Obviously, I think we're way past those days. I know for me, I can't wait to start getting some grays because my color is going to lift faster. I know, I'm, you know, this is, this, there's a little bit of color in here. my color is going to lift faster and it's going to blend easier. And when you're blonde, It's a totally different subject than when you are a brunette or even a darker black hair tone. It depends on your base color, how you're going to move forward with this.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

I'm going to be talking about um, the law of inertia of the system in the context of uh, the law of inertia of the system. So, if you've heard of the law of inertia, that is the law of inertia of a system. Um, and so, um, the law of inertia is a law that defines, uh, the relationship between the system and the environment that exists in that system. Transcripts will be sent to your email address at the end of the presentation. for your time.

Susan:

such a personal thing, isn't

Hillary Clark-Mina :

It's such a personal thing and you will probably notice that you might enjoy because if you're the way that you gray or go white, it will brighten you up. It's also going to be cool and you like the cooler tone. So that's going to be great for you. Um, for me, I loved when I started going gray. Even in my late twenties into my thirties, it was wonderful because I could put a solid color on my hair and the grays and the salt and the peppers would give me natural highlights. So I didn't have to spend on highlights for decades because of my gray. It is different. Like for me, I don't look good as a cool blonde or an ashy blondes or anything like that. It just make like, you'll want to look at me and give me a hug and say, are you okay? I just look sad and. A little like, yeah, like I need a cookie and a hug, so I have to stay more golden. I mean, I'm naturally a strawberry blonde and just

Susan:

too, though. I've got a lot of strawberry in my hair, but yet I pull cool really easily,

Hillary Clark-Mina :

I do too with color. I can either go really orange or pink even. Or I go really ashy. So whenever I start a new relationship with someone that does my color, I always tell them, look, this is probably going to take us two or three times to get it right. Cause everything that you think my hair is going to do, it's not going to do. And they always think, Oh, I hear that from everyone. And then there we are the fourth time it's perfect. So that's just how it goes.

Susan:

You bring up an interesting point, bringing new relationships, and I don't want to get too far off topic, but relationships with the person that does your hair. So I'm probably an oddity, meaning the person who does You know, my hair, Gemma, is someone I've seen for almost 20 years. We've been together for almost 20 years. She's given my kids their first haircuts. She does my husband's. She does the whole damn family. And she's the only one I trust. No matter where I've lived, I've flown to see her. You know, I've driven, I've taken trains, planes. I've been literally, like, flown on my broom to see her. I think that that's something that a lot of our listeners would be able to relate to is, um, you know, maybe we should do a whole other podcast on this, but the people that you have in your beauty village, right? What do they mean to you and how do they impact you? Because we both have people in our beauty village that are really important to us and quite frankly, make us who we are.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Right, and at this time of life, it's a really exciting time of invention and reinvention and rediscovery. You're about to experience this. I have a girlfriend right now who has one child and she's just gone off to college and a relationship had ended. Her daughter had gone off to college and she's managing beautifully, but she's kind of in that, like, What am I doing now? Where is my value? What is, what is my life about? What do I want the rest of my life to be about? And a lot of times because things are changing at the same time with how we look, rather than giving up like we used to at some point, it's an opportunity to be like, okay, so who am I going to be in this phase of my life? So it does bode for a little bit of analysis and an opportunity to say, What do I want that magical person to be like, if I'm writing my story here in this next chapter, what does she look like? What does the heroine of my life look like in this chapter?

Susan:

Yeah.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

And

Susan:

another

Hillary Clark-Mina :

like length and this and that. And of course, there are no rules. We know there used to be rules. The rules have gone out the window. We don't do that anymore. Um, there are things that flatter, things that don't flatter, but then there are people that can get away with hair down to their waist in their 80s and it's part of their, you know, schtick,

Susan:

I'm going

Hillary Clark-Mina :

super, super short, bright red, part of their vibe.

Susan:

the

Hillary Clark-Mina :

So there's a lot of freedom there, but it's, it does, it does say take some time and create your character.

Susan:

yeah, I think that's a, I think that's such a cool point Hill because I know for myself times where I'll even say, God, should I go a little shorter? Should I, should I, should I, should I? And no, I think to your point, every time. I want to say, okay, maybe I should do that. I look back at pictures in high school where my hair wasn't a short bob with a perm. And it's terrible. I look terrible in short hair. And I had short hair. And I look back at those pictures and think, Oh my God, that was terrible. And while I still have some hair on my head. I want to enjoy it and embrace it. And then we look at,

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Councilmembers from the other committees always show up with the email saying hey, this is the Committee meeting and we're going to continue this we're going to look at the mailing lists and come up with a vote on and

Susan:

am,

Hillary Clark-Mina :

mm. Mhm mm. Mhm. Okay.

Susan:

You can always toss it a pony. You can always throw it into a little chignon, toss it in a little ballet bun. I find it okay. Way easier and way less product with long hair than I do short hair.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Oh, I,

Susan:

I crazy?

Hillary Clark-Mina :

I personally agree. I find, I mean, my hair was platinum and short, short, short for years and years because it's so thick. It just wants to go like this all the time. So I was having to get it cut every two weeks. Um, You know, recent, not recently, within the past few years, I decided to go with a haircut that was more, like, here, like a long sort of a lob thing, and I found that,

Susan:

on you by the way.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

pardon,

Susan:

did look good. It looked really good on you.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

oh, thank you, you know what I started to notice, was that you saw this a lot more? And this right now is something I'm struggling to accept. So cutting my hair here, it was kind of like, you know, wearing a short skirt if you don't like your knees. So cutting my hair here was like lifting up the skirt and being like, Oh, now all of this is highlighted and this is what I'm working on. So. Pay attention and here's kind of a radical idea. If you are in a city or a town, you know, I'm in Los Angeles You're on the East Coast but you know if you're on this in a city in a town that actually has like a good wig shop go in and Try on wigs try the ways you would never try before try put your hair slick back braid it up Do whatever go try on the crazy colors the crazy cuts and then even just subtle versions and take photos Take photos

Susan:

Yeah.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

it out. You might be surprised before you commit. So, it's a good way to test drive a new look.

Susan:

are the best. 100%. Wigs, hair pieces. It's fun. Hair should be as fun as makeup is. So length, grays, touch upon hormones

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Let's do it.

Susan:

Let's do it because it's something that probably needs its own separate,

Hillary Clark-Mina :

I think so.

Susan:

with guests. I'd love to have a doctor come on and talk about it cause we are, you know, not, not doctors. Um, but for myself personally, um, on For me, the one thing I did notice was my scalp has become a little more sensitive and more reactive. So I recently used a detox shampoo that was highly fragranced. won't name the name because I know it works for a lot of people and I thought, you know what? I'm gonna do a little detox and get in there before I go in and have my hair highlighted. And I go in, I get my hair done four times a year because, as you know, I just do highlights and I like my own natural color and it's my look. It's my thing. It also is a lot easier only doing it four times a year than constantly having to, you know, do it every three weeks. So I'm fortunate in that sense. I did notice after using this detox shampoo, I got little tiny red dots and dry scabby flakes and obviously like good news on the scalp.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Because I am a program manager. And I, I don't want to say that I am a human being. I just want to say that I know that I am a human being. It's a part of me. I am a person of a concept. I am a person of a principle. And I know that I have a principle. So I can say this, my principle. And I understand it. I think I know that. That I should know. And I should be able to do that.

Susan:

lotions and creams. And we've talked about this. It's the same for your scalp. So I'm thinking, okay, no more detox shampoos, no more perfumey. And then. I got a new shampoo, it, and it was gone the next day. Like, washed it, dried it, gone. My scalp is perfect, gone, beautiful. So, as we go into product next, I'll, I'll share what I used that really helped my scalp health and my hair health for me. What was hormonal? I mean, it had to be like, well, I blame everything on

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Well, and you've been changing your hormones recently. Plus you were also sick. You were sick.

Susan:

yes, yes, you're

Hillary Clark-Mina :

You were also sick

Susan:

I did start taking some zinc, which was recommended to me, um, to help with, uh, the scalp and to help with the skin and whatnot, just short term, um, it's my understanding, you might not want to stay on it for long periods of time, but I was run down, I had a really bad flu, you know, I had the flu this year, like everybody else, First time being sick in seven years or sorry, five years, um, since the pandemic and got the flu along with everyone else. And yeah, I think you're right, Hill. I think, you know, changing hormones, um, uh, using a new product, um, being sick. So I just bring this up because I know some of our listeners, the same thing, all of a sudden something changes. of panicking, which, yeah, I did, I panicked because that's kind of sometimes what I do. But instead of panicking, take a look and say, what's going on with my health? Did I use something different? Did I just go through illness? Am I, you know, what's happening? And it sounds so basic and simple. But I think I was so freaked out to just see all these like little red bumps and flakes. And I was like, what is wrong with

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Of course

Susan:

could have been the product. But I think it was a, I think it was a cyclone of beauty, like just exploded on my

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Right. Right.

Susan:

but yeah, so hormones are a big thing. Oh my God. Look at your hair.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

know.

Susan:

that.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

this will all fall out. This is just me being lazy. I was hoping that I'd have it like out and done and everything, but you know, life didn't have that in store for us. So I figured there we go.

Susan:

I said, I just had mine done. So, you know, that's the only reason we're looking like this today. So do you want me to show you the product

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Show me your products because I'm on the hunt. So while you gather your products for me,

Susan:

going to do

Hillary Clark-Mina :

you know, as a lot of our listeners may know. I just turned 50 last year, so I'm just a few months into being 50, and it's, it's fun, it's exciting, but you know, I was impaired, I've been in menopause for years now, and I started perimenopause easily, easily, if I think back in my very early 40s, for sure, by 44. So it's been a long time with hormones and hair health. So much so that sometimes my color would take differently depending on what was going on with my hormones. And initially people didn't believe me, then finally I found someone that did. And we do have to adjust sometimes according to like what's going on with my hormones, which we'll get an expert on here to talk about that. Um,

Susan:

have someone.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

yeah, same formulas. totally different outcome. And I think truly it has a lot to do with the hormones, but, um, the dry, my hair becoming dry and unruly. If any of our listeners out there have good suggestions, I'm definitely starting with some scalp treatments or even scalp oils because You know, we have to treat our scalp like we do the rest of our face, and I think for me, getting in there with an oil is going to be the answer.

Susan:

Yeah, yeah, I was laughing earlier because when you said, Oh, I just turned 50 and I was laughing because I'm like, Oh, okay. Well, you know, right

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Yeah,

Susan:

I

Hillary Clark-Mina :

but I started menopause so much earlier. So by that clock, I'm like 70.

Susan:

well, how about 10 days? I feel 70. So there you go. Um, yeah, let me just really go through these

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Yeah.

Susan:

So we stay, so we stay, um, you know, on time here, but so the product that helped my scalp. the most and it is not specifically designed for scalp health,

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Right.

Susan:

for healthy hair. Christoph Robbins products I have found to be extremely effective but extremely gentle.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Oh. Oh.

Susan:

gentle, I find them really caring for more mature hair and this um, hydrating shampoo with aloe vera, it's clear. It's lightweight, it's hydrating. And I don't know if it was the aloe that was in here or what it was, but my hair so shiny was so much volume. Okay. Because part of hormones was losing all that volume to this product has saved my scalp and saved my hair because it's gentle hydrating. It's safe for colored hair. I just, I can't tell you

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Okay, we'll put that in the comments for sure.

Susan:

Yeah. Especially if you have fine hair, like I have a lot of hair, but it's fine textured. Um, I need something that cleans, but doesn't strip and doesn't have all those funky fragrances. So I love

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Beautiful.

Susan:

love it. Yeah. Yeah. And then I follow it up with. probably the most reparative deep conditioner I have found that doesn't weigh my hair down. And that is the L'Oreal, the absolute repair

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Really?

Susan:

chef's kiss. Doesn't weigh it down. It really is deep conditioning. It repairs the hair. It doesn't just add back moisture. So these two have

Hillary Clark-Mina :

I'm going to try those.

Susan:

you

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Well, the deeper pair, at least.

Susan:

yeah, and then, you know, I can share the rest of this stuff on Instagram with everybody else. But I think I've talked about my overnight treatment that has saved my hair, Kerastase. And then this is really the one product I, is my desert Island product. And that is, uh, the Davines, the, the milk spray,

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Oh, I need to get that.

Susan:

this is the best. Use it on wet hair before blow drying. And then on dry hair to help with the flyaways to give a

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Okay.

Susan:

Um, it's my one product. You don't need anything else. This is insane. So,

Hillary Clark-Mina :

That's what I'm looking for. Cause I need, you know, I need hydration and, you know, I'm at the point of where I'm like, I surrender. I'm about to just go back to my Shu Uemura because that's the only thing that seems to hydrate. That's why I'm going to the scalp. So rather than just trying to dump product on. I'm trying to really maybe put more hydration into the scalp because I'm noticing that I am really dry and I love Shu Uemura, but it's just, it's an arm and a leg all the time. So

Susan:

Yes. It's, and I love the, I use some of the, uh, there's a styling paste that I like from, from them as well, and I do love their products, but I'm telling you, this was the

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Okay. You know the other thing that I find for myself that I'm using a lot in my hair to tame flyaways and we've had, we've had Adele on is the Essentiel by Adele, just the lotion. It's like I will take it because I have thick and somewhat coarse hair. I'll take it through as some of you guys may have seen me doing and after I rub it in on my hands I'll just take it through sort of a little bit of my, the ends of my hair and I'm careful with it. But it really does help. I mean, professionally, when I'm, you know, working and on the times when I do have to do both hair and makeup, which is really more with civilians than celebrity. With celebrity, I'm pretty much just doing makeup. But with civilians, I'll get called in to do both. And I have a whole arsenal of styling products because what I like to use as an artist is different than what I want for my hair. But,

Susan:

Right.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

the great length debate is something else to talk about. It's so interesting. I saw photos of myself, um, at some of the Oscar events and I was working,

Susan:

ahead

Hillary Clark-Mina :

and I was like, ah,

Susan:

go

Hillary Clark-Mina :

hair feels like it just drags me down, but I love having it long. So. Does that mean I just wear it up when I'm working and I know I'm going to have, you know, shots where I need to have it up. I just look bigger and it just, I feel like it pulls my face down. But in real life, having it that long, I get a lot of compliments. So it's weird right now. I'm figuring it out. I want to hear from all of our, from all of our audience.

Susan:

yeah, I think there's, there is a fine line for me, at least when it gets too long, she'll cut it, you know, she'll

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Yeah. Right,

Susan:

ask for some layers in the front people. Um, I love babysitter hair too. You know, as I call it, part of the middle dead straight long. And I wore that for years. That look can age you. I will put that out there. Um, if you don't get a few little layers in there in the the face framers, as I call them, the, the, the money shot hair light pieces, you know, think it can age you a little bit, drag you down, make you look a little tired. So I did, I did succumb to that a while ago and she kind of cleaned those up for me too. But I did notice it creates, it creates more volume for me too. My hair looks her and you

Hillary Clark-Mina :

And there's a time to revisit. I mean, I noticed this was shoes the other day. It's like, I used to love like. You know, I could easily wear like a sandal with a clunky heel or something that maybe kind of had like a little bit of a grandma vibe and it was ironic because, you know, I was young in great shape with a heel that, you know, was maybe a little grandma, but it looked cool and as I said, ironic and it was fun. So I bought one for summer this summer and I put them on and I was like, Okay, are these just extra grandma because it's a designer that I don't normally wear I said or is the irony not ironic anymore And is it time to revisit? I think the same thing happens with shoe with hair.

Susan:

yeah, I think If you already wore the look once, possibly pausing

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Yeah

Susan:

doing that haircut, I don't know. But then there's something to be said for the classic look. You know, classic cuts, I think, look great on everyone. I love a great bob. I think that looks so beautiful on so many women. Um, I just, I think it's, you know, I think like you said earlier, Hale, I think we need to define who we are in our own personal story. What is our vibe? What is our look? Who are we? Because if you haven't figured out who you are by this point, you may want to spend a little bit more time on the couch doing it because you know, this is it kids. You gotta know who you are by now. You have to know what you like, what you don't like, who you are, what you stand for. Take the time to do it. And we're not just talking hair, but just in life in general. Take the time to do it. If you haven't slowed down enough to write your own story, tell your own story, it's really important to

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Right, and what does that mean now? What does that mean in this chapter? Number one, above and beyond anything else, what makes you happy? What makes you feel beautiful? What hair makes you just feel, and it might not be hair for everybody. It's like layers of necklaces or very simple or whatever. What makes you feel like, yeah, I love this and do

Susan:

Whether that's hair, no hair, short hair, long hair,

Hillary Clark-Mina :

whatever

Susan:

straight, curly, it really doesn't matter. The only person judging should be yourself, you know? So, everyone else can keep their opinions to themselves, quite frankly. Although, you know, we like to give them freely. But that's coming from a

Hillary Clark-Mina :

that's coming from us. Yeah.

Susan:

It's coming from love, people. It's coming from

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Right.

Susan:

But really you, you should be happy with who you are, you know, and love your hair. So that's our, her story, hair story, whatever story we're telling

Hillary Clark-Mina :

we want to hear yours. We want to hear yours. Also, I'd like to know from all of you, how many of your husbands weigh in and how does that affect? That's a whole other topic because when it comes to men and hair, I mean, From Lady to Godiva to, you know, Cleo to, you know, Rapunzel, I mean, hair's a big deal and factors hugely throughout the ages and it's associated with beauty and some men don't care. Some men really like it longer, um, I tend towards feeling like, well, you know, If your other half has a really strong opinion, they're probably looking at you more than you're even looking at you. So maybe there's an in between, but I know for some women that's scandalous to even consider what he thinks. Um, so it's a, it's a, that alone is a whole different topic. Because sometimes we're just,

Susan:

It is

Hillary Clark-Mina :

we're dealing with another person. And sometimes, especially if you have children around this age that are just going to college. It's like a kind of a second honeymoon maybe for you guys. So, va va va voom, you know?

Susan:

And, you know, in closing, I like your comment of. It brings up that visceral reaction and a lot of women,

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Yeah.

Susan:

you say, Oh, what is your spouse think or how about your husband's opinion or your, your partner's opinion or your better half's opinion

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Yeah.

Susan:

instantly women of a certain age. We have that visceral feminist reaction of like, who cares? They should have nothing to do with our head, you know, I will tell you this, where the shoe on the other foot, meaning if my husband came to me and said, I'm shaving my head tomorrow, I'd be like, if that makes you feel good. And that's what you want to do. Go for it. But I really love your hair the way it looks now and I really like it because I'm looking at you.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Right.

Susan:

So they're looking at me and I want them to say to themselves, wow, I really, she's beautiful no matter what she looks like, but that really turns me on or I really like your hair like that. Or so you can look at it in two

Hillary Clark-Mina :

It's a controversy. It's a controversy. I mean, even when I'm doing women's, you know, when I'm doing women's hair and makeup for let's say their weddings or for a special event or anything else, it's always kind of telling because sometimes I'll ask them, well, what is your husband like? What is your fiance like? And sometimes they'll look at me and they're relieved that I asked because I don't think it's like. a big X to care. Um, and sometimes they'll look at me and they're like, who cares? And I'm like, well, guess who's going to be looking at you walking down the aisle? And you're creating a core memory for him too. So

Susan:

yeah,

Hillary Clark-Mina :

have

Susan:

it

Hillary Clark-Mina :

I think there's something there I think we may have swung a little too far as far as like it's my hair I can do what I want I mean I get it But you know I kind of I like it when he I look across the room and he's got that little twinkle in his eye looking at me So

Susan:

me too. There's nothing wrong

Hillary Clark-Mina :

nothing,

Susan:

Balance people,

Hillary Clark-Mina :

we look we married these people. We love these people. Oh, look at speaking of great Look at all that.

Susan:

come on. It's so good. Give me some,

Hillary Clark-Mina :

No, I mean look at it. It is what it is. I just need to Go and I just need to do it.

Susan:

I love it. Well, if you want to know Life Glossers, some of the rest of the product that I have in front of me. Check out us on Instagram at life gloss check us out on Tik TOK and face, but we're out there. You can find us, you know, where to find us send us a message reply. You know,

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Yeah, we want to know what you think.

Susan:

Yeah, we want to know what you think and tell us some of your favorite products. What are you using in your hair? But we brought up a lot of interesting points. We'll continue this conversation with some more interesting points, Especially on the hormone thing, which is such a part of beauty and not just hair, but skin makeup, health, et cetera. So until next time,

Hillary Clark-Mina :

Until next time,

Susan:

glossy.

Hillary Clark-Mina :

stay glossy!

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