A Swim Coach’s Heart Transplant Wake Up Call

A heart transplant is a medical event, but it’s also a crash course in how you live. Guest  Jimmy Owens brings a perspective you don’t hear every day: a veteran swim coach and wellness-minded leader who suddenly had to stop coaching everyone else and fight for his own life. Jimmy shares how injuries and testing revealed serious heart function issues, how he lived with congestive heart failure for years, and how getting COVID twice became the turning point that landed him in the hospital and on the path to a heart transplant. 

We get honest about what the waiting is really like, including time on ECMO, the fear of not knowing if “tomorrow” shows up, and the mindset shifts that helped Jimmy keep going. He also breaks down organ donor matching and why the transplant list isn’t just about time, it’s about medical urgency and compatibility. If you’ve searched for heart transplant recovery stories, resilience after illness, or motivation to rebuild your health, Jimmy’s clarity and candor will stay with you. 

We also dig into wellness at ground level: nutrition choices during recovery, the weird logic of “sugar-free” hospital food, and why treating your body like a temple doesn’t require perfection. Jimmy shares the practical habits he changed after surgery like cutting soda, avoiding excess alcohol, and choosing consistency over guilt, plus the reminder that it’s never too late to make a small change that adds up to a longer, stronger life. 

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Transcript

A Second Chance At 65

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Oh, absolutely. And you talk about never being too late. I never think it's too late. Here, I'm 65 years old, survived a heart transplant at 63. You know, it's never too late to make changes in your life.

SPEAKER_00 0:13

Do you get confused by all of the information that bombards us every day on ways to improve our overall health and our overall wellness? Do you often feel stuck, unmotivated, or struggle to reach your wellness goals? Do you have questions as to what exercises you should be doing, what foods you should or shouldn't be eating, how to improve your overall emotional and mental well-being?

Show Mission And Listener Questions

SPEAKER_00 0:36

Hello everyone. I am so excited to welcome you to Words of Wellness. My name is Shelly Jeffries, and I will be your host. My goal is to answer these questions and so much more. To share tips, education, and inspiration around all of the components of wellness through solo and guest episodes. With 35 plus years as a health and wellness professional, a retired college professor, a speaker, and a multi-passionate entrepreneur, I certainly have lots to share. However, my biggest goal and inspiration in doing this podcast is to share the wellness stories of others with you, to bring in guests who can share their journeys so that we can all learn together while making an impact on the health, the wellness, and lives of all of you, our listeners. The ultimate hope is that you leave today with even just one nugget that can enhance the quality of your life and that you will, we all will, now and into the future, live our best quality of lives full of energy, happiness, and joy. Now let's dive into our message for today.

Meet Jimmy Owens And His Story

SPEAKER_00 1:44

Welcome everyone. Welcome back to Words of Wellness. My name is Shelly, and I will be your host. And my guest today has quite a lot to share with all of us. And he is actually a swim coach. He has been a USA swimming coach. He's an author, a keynote speaker. And one of the biggest stories he's going to share with us today. Oh, and he's also an author. But one of his biggest stories he's going to share is his experience of having a heart transplant. And I have to say, I don't know, I don't think I know anyone else except for my good friend Jimmy Owen. So welcome.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

Well, thank you, Shelly, for having me. That's amazing. Uh I I I'm very excited to talk about the heart transplant and health and wellness, what your podcast is all about, because that's what I do. So it's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

Yes, and we have that in common, which is fantastic. And I know we briefly did another podcast together, and I know you have a lot to share, and you've experienced a lot. And uh coming from your coaching background and your health and wellness background, and then having to go through what you did with having a heart transplant, I can't even imagine. Uh, do you want to share a little bit maybe about well, where do you want to start? Maybe with your coaching, or where would you where do you want to jump in?

SPEAKER_01 3:22

Well,

Coaching Lessons From Elite Swimming

SPEAKER_01 3:23

first off, let me start with the coaching. Um, I began coaching back in the 1980s. So I'm probably I'm a little older than I look, and I know that people can't see me on the podcast, thank goodness, but um uh I probably look in my 50s, but I'm actually almost 66. And uh I started coaching in 1981 back in Simi Valley, California. And at that point, I was working for a um um former Olympian, Ingrid Daland, who uh runs a swim school in Thousand Oaks. So the team was quite a good team. We had over 400 people on our team with multiple different uh levels, and that team actually in 1985 won the junior national championships against Nova Aquatics and Mission Vieho and all these major powerhouses. So that was my initial background in coaching as a young coach. I was in my 20s.

SPEAKER_00 4:15

Amazing. That must have been such such a thrill for you. How exciting to experience that.

SPEAKER_01 4:22

It was amazing. And I had kids that were just unbelievable, you know, kids that came from my little community who worked so hard and developed themselves into some of the top athletes that have gone on to colleges, uh, gone on to become uh, well, some of them made Olympic trials, some of them full got a full ride scholarship to USC and other other schools. Uh I can't even tell you how many schools. I I could probably count 25 schools. Um one of my biggest, uh I'm gonna say one of my biggest accelerated children was uh Jack Coker, who became our U.S. Olympic water polo coach. And I had coached him as a youngster when he was very young. Matter of fact, I used to catch him in the bathroom hiding under the parkas because he was so little and so cold and didn't want to go out in the pool. And I was like, Jack, get up and get out of that in the pool. And uh what would happen is you know, I'd go and have to kick the parkas around, and there he is under the parka. It's it was too funny. But he grew up, he grew up to become a Pepperdine uh water polo player, and then he ended up on our national team, and him and Terry Schroeder switched positions. Terry, who was the uh the head coach at Pepper Nine at the time, um he was also our four-time Olympian. Terry Schroeder is amazing, and uh Jack became our Olympic uh US, one of our U.S. water polo coaches. So that was one of my success stories in water polo, because I did both water polo and swimming. And uh that was my coaching introduction. I I spent 15 years in the Simi Valley area coaching high school, age group swimming, and master swimming. So those were my three biggest things that I did in uh in swimming.

Injuries Lead To Heart Failure Diagnosis

SPEAKER_01 6:08

With that being said, uh the next thing that happened with me is I left and went to work in the movie industry. And I spent 15 years in the movie industry. Now, that 15 years, even though I still coached during the summers, I ended up getting injured, and that's where I think everything started. I injured my hips. Next thing you know, I fell off the back of a truck and injured my um my ribs, and that they said uh it looked like I had a heart attack. I didn't really believe that I had a heart attack because I felt fine. However, the echocardiogram came back. Um, as I said in your last podcast, my heart was only pumping at 25% volume, the refraction rate, and the average adult is 50% or greater, and I'm currently pumping at uh 70%, which means all my organs are getting oxygen and I'm getting lots of energy. So everything's working right right now. After that, uh what happened was because of the hip replacements, because of the injury from the movie industry, they said I had congestive heart failure, and I fought that for nine years.

SPEAKER_00 7:09

Real quick for because I just want to make sure I I touch upon this. Do you think it was a maybe a blessing in disguise because they discovered what was going on through your he with your heart because of your injuries, or was that a result of your injuries?

SPEAKER_01 7:26

It's hard to tell. It's hard to tell which one was which. Uh, when I have looked it up online, sometimes you know, you look things up online, it does say that the fall, the injury could cause a heart problem. Uh, it's hard to really tell what caused the problem. I I believe it's a blessing in disguise that they found it and you know that I was able to overcome that. Uh when when I for nine years I was doing fine.

COVID Crash And Transplant Referral

SPEAKER_01 7:50

However, COVID came and I got COVID twice, even though I had three vaccines, and uh I just couldn't the second time couldn't get over it. And that's what knocked me out, and that's what ended up putting me in the hospital. I I ended up uh well my heart was only beating at 49 beats a minute, and it's supposed to be beating at 60 because I had a pacemaker in. Um my blood pressure was 60 over 40, and uh that was very low. And they said, Mr. Owens, we can't even touch you. You gotta go right to ER. And that's where I went to Henry Mayo here in uh Santa Clarita, California, and they decided uh after 14 days, Mr. Owens, we're gonna send you to uh UCLA to meet the heart transplant team. And I said, What? Heart transplant team? I have to get a new heart? Somebody has to die for me to live? Are you kidding me? So that was a big that was a big awakening for me, you know that I I am in a position where I'm not gonna make it.

SPEAKER_00 8:46

I can't imagine having those words like like you're saying, like, like what? I have to have a heart transplant? Like it's not even it's like the furthest thing from your mind, right?

SPEAKER_01 8:57

It was, and it really was. I thought I was just sick. And and uh when when they said heart transplant, I thought, are you kidding me? What what do you mean heart transplant? I I give me a new medicine. I'm not ready to, you know, I'm not ready to die, that's for sure. And uh they said we can't fix you with medicine. They tried for 14 days at Henry Mayo, they really tried hard. And I I did bring his name up in your last podcast, um, Dr. Patel, who was the cardiologist there, who also had worked at UCLA and said, Jim, we've we've done everything we can. Um we only see one alternative. We're gonna send you to UCLA to meet the heart transplant team. And that's when I realized, I think he told my wife first because you didn't want to tell me, because I was absolutely just give me medicine and let me out of here. Um needless to say, thank God I was at UCLA and they were the greatest doctors and the greatest nurses I've ever met in my life. Uh, despite the fact that I was not the greatest patient, you know, I was sometimes the typical guy, you know, you know, don't tell me what to do. I'm the coach. You know, I'm used to telling everybody else what to do. Well, with that being said, uh I finally had to come to my senses and realize if I don't do what they say, I might not get out of here. And uh

Five Months On ECMO And Mindset

SPEAKER_01 10:16

there was never a moment, there was never a moment in that hospital, and I'm gonna say this is all about mindset, that I said to myself, Jimmy, you're not gonna make it. You know, even though there were times I got scared, Shelly, I called my parents. My mom was passed away. I called my dad, I called my brother, I called my sister, I called everybody in my family, and I said, guys, I might not make it. You know, you better come visit me because they don't live in California. So that's what happened. My family came out, visited me, and uh five months in that hospital on the ECMO machine and all kinds of medication. You'll see the pictures in my book of me at the hospital. The pictures of me in the hospital that are in my book, uh never, never, never, never give up. Uh, you'll see that I had 15 IVs hooked into me. I had this machine into my my femorial arteries keeping me alive, changing my blood. A lot of things were going on. And uh I I I will say that thank you to the Lord and thank you to the doctors there that uh I survived. I was given a second chance to come out of that hospital with a new heart, you know, and and I want your listeners to hear this part. I sat in that hospital bed for five months, knowing that I don't know if tomorrow's gonna come. I knew that I didn't know if I had tomorrow, you know, and I knew I only had so much time on the ECMO machine and it was running out. And what I want them to understand is no matter what you're going through in life, no matter whether it's a business, athletics, no matter what it is you're going through, no matter what mountain you're facing, no matter what river you're swimming, you want to keep on swimming. You don't want to quit because you don't lose, you don't lose in anything until you quit. You know, and that's what I realized. I'm not gonna lose here. I'm gonna keep on fighting and get out of this hospital. And uh my my choice was not to give up. So I'm gonna tell your listeners don't dare give up. If you need help with something, contact us. Do something, contact your friends, do something that's gonna help you, you know, get through this time that you're struggling with. Never, never, never, never give up. Anyway, that's what I want your listeners to hear.

SPEAKER_00 12:29

It's amazing, Jimmy. It's such an important message, and I think it's just it's almost one of those that just needs to be on repeat because it's so easy to to I think it's you know, it's the easy thing to do to give up, especially with that situation that you were in, like how emotional for you and how, like you're saying, not knowing if tomorrow would come. That's one of those I would say, I can't speak from experience, but one of the most challenging, if if not the most challenging positions to be in, to have the attitude that you had, to never give up, to have that mindset that you're going to walk out of that hospital. And I just think that that's such an important message, also, to re remind all of us how powerful our mind is. And, you know, if you have faith, like you said, thank the Lord. You know, I have faith. I would be praying every day in that hospital, you know.

SPEAKER_01 13:25

Preacher come in, my wife and I would pray together. And, you know, every uh well, first off, my wife is Catholic and she's big time um faith, faith-based. And uh, I'm a non-denominational person at this time, but I have always had faith. And uh each day I listen to and and look at um different parables from the Bible, and you know, I read those in the morning, and that's how I start my morning off.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

For sure.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

I absolutely believe God gave me that chance.

How Donor Matching And Priority Work

SPEAKER_00 13:50

Absolutely, and I'm curious too, going into it, when you spent five months in the hospital, did they do they do they give you any indication of what the timeline could look like? Like, obviously, the more time that goes on, I don't know if that increases your chances, decreases your chances. You know what I'm saying? Like, I would think as more time goes on, maybe increases your chances because there's more of a chance that there's going to be a heart that comes in. But how did they approach that with you?

SPEAKER_01 14:22

Okay, what happened there is uh it does not increase your chances, by the way. Um, it all depends on whether or not that donor is gonna match your body. They they do a lot of matching tests to decide whether that organ that's being donated will match, and there are many people on the list already. Um, what put me higher than some of the people that were on the list ahead of me was the fact that I had the ECMO machine already in my femoral arteries. I could not live without the ECMO. You can only be on there for 12 weeks. It had already been nine weeks. So by the time they started getting donations where they said maybe a match, it had already been nine weeks. Uh by the time, by the time I got my heart, it had already been 12 weeks. They were gonna have to take me off of ECMO. Uh the second thing that happened is they put this in Pella, in PELA, or I think they call it, which uh helps the heart flow. And uh first they put it in my groin, so for 14 days I couldn't get out of bed. And the second time they they were able to get it out of my groin and put it in my shoulder where it belongs, and that helped the heart uh flow the blood around your body, which I think I said uh in your other podcast that my liver had regenerated. It's the only organ in your body that regenerates, which is amazing. My kidneys went from stage four to stage two kidney failure, which was amazing. And uh they said the only thing that wasn't being fixed was the heart, and there's no medicine we can give you that's gonna fix that heart. You know, we have to get you a heart. So my chances probably were decreasing the longer I was in there. Um there were people that were near me that did not make it, did not make it before surgery, did not make it after surgery. One of the one of the big things I think is very important is number one, you gotta take care of yourself. You gotta take care of yourself both physically and mentally.

Hospital Food Frustrations And Nutrition

SPEAKER_01 16:14

And I there were it's funny about the food in the hospital. I'm gonna just say this real quick. Uh, it's not the greatest food, in my opinion. Some people think, oh, it's great. Well, what are they used to eating? McDonald's and hamburgers? I'm like, come on. This food was not good. And why is my potassium so high? And why do I have issues with my blood from the food you're giving me? That's a low sodium, low uh diet, uh uh, low calorie, and low potassium diet. Why am I having problems with my blood? So I was very cautious uh and also very vocal uh with them about the food they were giving me. Probably why I lost 60 pounds, but needless to say, yeah, I was very vocal about all that. Because being a coach, one of the things I do know is you know, you need protein, you need you need uh carbohydrates with your body. You it's okay to have a little sugar here and there. It's you know, it doesn't mean that you're doing the wrong thing. And for them to give me um Splinda, and for them to give me uh um it's not real butter, but uh with margarine, and for them to give me things that weren't weren't real, I was like, what? I don't I don't eat this stuff.

SPEAKER_00 17:29

I don't understand that. I do not understand, and I and I know we touched upon this before because I had the experience when my dad was in the hospital and he's no longer living, but he had diabetes, so everything that they brought him was sugar-free, which basically means it's loaded with chemicals. And like you're saying, it's mind-boggling to me that they're going to bring you fake butter, fake sugar, all of this stuff that is so terrible for our health. And again, you know, we obviously we're touching up touching upon this, but this could of course be a whole other podcast episode in itself because it's it makes no sense. I mean, I think I had told you, I can't remember if I shared with you, but I had brought my dad loved some of our the protein bars that our health and wellness company has that we're both a part of isogenics, and he loved these bars. And of course, a bar is almost like a complete meal. And I'll I'll never forget one of the nurses said something about the the sugar content in the bars. And I'm like, well, it's a full meal. So you're worried about this protein, this nutrition bar, yet you're giving him all this other crud. Like I I was beside myself at that point. I'm like, you've got to be kidding. Like he's gonna eat half of a bar, not even the full thing. And you're worried about that when you guys are feeding him all these chemicals and artificial sweetener this, artificial sweetener that. So it's it's a whole other again, it's a whole other episode.

SPEAKER_01 18:56

You're you're gonna laugh. Uh that I did the same thing. I brought a bar into the hospital. I I brought a couple of my the bars because I really like the chocolate and the lemon bars, and uh what happened was they said the same thing where your potassium was high, and they looked at the ingredients on the bar and they wouldn't let me eat it. And I was like, Are you kidding me? Instead, I had to eat all their junky food that they were bringing me. And and when I looked at it and I said, Well, you're bringing me half a potato, you're bringing me all these noodles and the spaghetti, you're bringing me all this other stuff that um I think was causing more issues than necessary. For sure. And uh than letting me because as soon as I went home, things straightened out. As soon as I started eating my own way, things straightened out in my body.

SPEAKER_00 19:44

Isn't that something? I mean, our bodies are miracles, so the minute you're actually fueling it in the way we're meant to, and in a healthy, clean manner, right?

SPEAKER_01 19:53

Correct. It makes a huge bit of difference. Makes a huge bit of difference. Your

Rebuilding Habits After Transplant

SPEAKER_01 19:59

guests need to know that this is a health and wellness podcast. They need to take care of themselves. You know, as we get older, it's harder and harder to take care of ourselves. And I was a guy, and I'll be honest with you, that worked 12 hours a day, sometimes more, not always a chance to go get the best food. So there were times that I go to Wendy's, there were times when I would just go grab a quick bite at 7-Eleven and rush back to the pool because I had 30 minutes to get back to the pool for the workout, you know, and I thought to myself, man, oh man, I'm not taking care of myself. And as I was gaining weight, because I was off of my uh products from the health and wellness company, as I was gaining weight, I finally said, Oh my gosh, what am I gonna do here? Um, I think I was up to 224 pounds when I went in that hospital, and uh I came out at 154, 153. So that was a lot of weight. I'm 165 today. So uh, you know, I didn't gain all the weight back. It's been two years and uh six months almost. Two years and six months. Wow. Next month will be six months. So uh I am very, very pleased with uh how I've been able to change my diet, um, stop drinking soda, stop drinking any kind of alcohol. And and I'm not okay, I want to say this about the alcohol because a lot of people are listening saying, Well, I dude, I drink a beer, I don't drink that much. I drink a margarita when I go to the the Mexican restaurant, and that's fine. Once in a while, it it's um what do they say? Uh, don't overdo. It's the X access excess of what you do, you know. So if you're drinking five or six drinks, that's overdoing. You're drinking one drink, it's not gonna hurt you. You're eating one candy bar or one thing that you like. Oh, I'm gonna eat a piece of cake tonight because it's a wedding, I'm I'm at an event. You know, that's not going to hurt you. You have to, and as somebody who did diets like you, I always said, Well, we gotta have a cheat day. You know, I want a day where I'm gonna have something, my ice cream, I'm gonna have something. I like, you know, that I can't, I gotta live.

SPEAKER_00 22:04

Well, that's what I that's always my motto. I always will, I will always, always say our lives are meant to be enjoyed. So you you have to find time to enjoy yourself and not be in this all or nothing mindset, right? And and never like feel guilty because you had that piece of cake or you had that candy bar. And you know, gosh, we all have our moments and you have to have something that you enjoy and enjoy it in life and not beat yourself up over it. And I always I'm from the mindset too. Like when you talk about a cheat day, I always kind of joke around. I'm like, well, maybe you have a cheat date, but maybe I feel like some ice cream on a day that's not my cheat day. So if I feel like it, I'm gonna have it, you know.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Absolutely, absolutely. That's for sure. You know, I I uh I and I will say that I don't always stay on my cheat day either. That's not how it works. It might really feel like I came home to last night and I go, uh, you know, I really feel like having a couple of bites of ice cream. I'm gonna take five or six bites of ice cream, put it back in the freezer, you know, and I did that. Yeah, you know, so that did happen.

SPEAKER_00 23:10

Yeah, well, I think the other part of it, and I'm sure you're sure you can you probably can agree, is that I know with clients, it's like if you if you have that one thing where you're thinking, I have, I can't have it, I have to avoid it. Well, then you just keep thinking about it rather than just hey, I have the craving for it, I'm gonna have it, and then move on with my life rather than have it be like this focus or obsession, which happens for a lot of people, right?

SPEAKER_01 23:32

It certainly does, it's certainly and it gets in your head, and once it's in your head, it's hard to get it out. Exactly. That's stick and thinking, as Zig Ziglar would have said years ago, you know, you got to get rid of that stick and thinking, and uh, we can't sometimes because we're thinking about it too

Never Too Late For Longevity

SPEAKER_01 23:46

much. With that being said, when we talk health and wellness as a coach, I want to say this much your body's a temple, and it's what you put in your body is going to make a difference on the activity you're gonna get out of your body. And uh what I tell the swimmers, you know, about things that they could eat, because nowadays you think what the kids are eating, and you look at the candy and the chips and the sodas and the junk food, and they show up to practice with gummy bears and little things. I'm like, what are you guys doing? So that's not treating your body like a temple. You know, you've got to really start to look at what's gonna give you the energy, what's gonna give you success, you know, like your friend Fred, you know, who's a triathlete. That poor guy is not going to eat junk food before he goes and runs, you know, a 26-mile marathon and swims a 2.1 mile swim and a hundred and some mile bike ride. He's not gonna eat junk food, you know, you're gonna take care of yourself because you're gonna get out of that stuff you put in your body. And that's really important to me. That's really important to me.

SPEAKER_00 24:50

And I think that you you made such a great point earlier about the fact that you you believe you really came through this in a healthy way, also because of how you took care of yourself and made that a priority. And I think that's an important message to really get out to the listeners, too, is that that makes such a difference. And and I think the other thing about that too is I always will say it's never too late either. Maybe if there's someone listening and you feel like, oh my gosh, I I haven't been taking care of myself, and maybe I've been eating more junk food than I should. It's never too late to make a change, and it doesn't have to be a big change, it can be a small change, and all those small changes add up over time.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

Oh, absolutely. And you talk about never being too late. I never think it's too late. Here, I'm 65 years old, survived a heart transplant at 63. You know, it's never too late to make changes in your life. And working over at the Paseo Club where I work with the adults, you know, I see people in their ages from I'm gonna say 20s all the way up to 80s, and they're some of the most in-shape people in that gym, the ones that come and swim, number one, number, or do the aqua liquid cardio class that's there, and uh they take care of themselves, most of them. And you look at what they're doing, and you're thinking to yourself, Wow, man, I hope I'm in that kind of shape in 20 years, you know, that because I know they're taking care of themselves.

SPEAKER_00 26:13

Well, that's the thing I talk a lot about and in in mentor on on longevity, and I've been talking to my friend Heather about this. We always kind of joke, but also make the point that we want to be able to be doing push-ups and pull-ups. We're 100 years old, you know.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

Exactly. And I tell everyone now, listen, I'm gonna live another 30 plus years, and I'm 65. They gave me a heart that's 27 years old. The doctor said, You got 30 years on you, dude. So I'm gonna be 100 years old, if not more, when I pass away. And uh, I keep telling everybody, oh, yeah, I'll be 150. I'm gonna outlive all you guys by a mile. Um, that that's amazing. I I I I can't really think of too much else to say with being in shape and taking care of your body, other other than the fact that it's never too late. And and and I learned that by being in the hospital myself. It's never too late to make a change.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

I love it. And that's such a wonderful, wonderful way to to be wrapping things up here because you have such a wonderful message. It's never ever

Book Resources And How To Reach

SPEAKER_00 27:14

too late. And your book, never, never, never, never give up, is available. And I encourage all of our listeners to grab it. And if anybody wants to reach out to you, Jimmy, where's the best place for our listeners to find you?

SPEAKER_01 27:29

The best place to find me is very simple. Jimmy at Jimmy Owens.com. It's my first and last name, Jimmy Owens.com. They can also find my website at jimmyowens.com. And uh click on that little QR code. I got some free giveaways on the website, or not the QR code, the GD, whatever they call it, on the website where you have to agree to get an email. Um you can get a free uh you get a free test on your resilience. You get a uh free giveaway, which is very professionally done, and that's your resilience score and all the different things uh the swim philosophy. And uh there's a lot of stuff that you can get just by reaching out to me, and I'm happy to help you.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

I love it. Well, I will definitely add all of your information in the show notes, and it's always such a joy to talk with you, and I thank you so much for being on today. Thank you, Shelley. Thanks for having me. To all our listeners, take time for yourself and your wellness on this day. And until next time, have a beautiful, blessed rest of your week. And we'll see you next time on Words of Wellness.

Share Rate Review And Farewell

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Thank you so much for tuning in to today's episode. I hope you gained value and enjoyed our time together as much as I did. And if you know someone who could benefit from today's episode, I would love and appreciate it if you could share with a friend or rate and review Words of Wellness so that more can hear this message. I love and appreciate you all. Thank you for listening. And if you have any questions or topics you would like me to share in future episodes, please don't hesitate to reach out to me through my contact information that is shared in the show notes below. Again, thank you for tuning in to Words of Wellness. My name is Shelley Jeffries, and I encourage you to do something for you, for your wellness on this day. Until next time, I hope you all have a healthy, happy, and blessed week.