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Are You Ignoring the Most Powerful Part of Your Mediumship? — with Melissa O’Sullivan

• Jason Paul • Season 8 • Episode 4

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Most mediums are looking in the wrong place for development…
The most powerful training you’ll ever receive is already available to you — and it’s free. 

Most developing mediums think progress comes from more courses, more teachers, or more readings…

But what if the real development is happening somewhere far quieter — and most people are avoiding it?

In this episode of Soul Sync, I’m joined by psychic medium Melissa O’Sullivan for a deeply honest and grounding conversation about the one practice that quietly shapes every great medium: sitting in the power.

Melissa shares how consistent, intentional sitting became the foundation of her development — not just in her mediumship, but in her confidence, clarity, and connection with spirit.

We explore why so many people resist this part of the journey, what’s actually happening when you sit, and how this “free tuition” from spirit is often the most overlooked — yet most powerful — teacher you’ll ever have.

This isn’t about doing more.
It’s about doing what matters — consistently.

To find out more about Melissa, you can visit her website - https://www.angelm.co.uk/

🔊 What you’ll hear in this episode

  •  Why sitting in the power is the most important (and most avoided) part of development 
  •  What is actually happening when you sit — beyond “just meditation” 
  •  How spirit teaches through subtle sensations, energy, and awareness
  •  The biggest mistake beginners make when starting their journey 
  •  Why discipline and consistency matter more than natural ability 
  •  How to start sitting in a way that feels realistic and enjoyable
  •  The unexpected ways spiritual development impacts your daily life and mindset
  •  Melissa’s personal journey — from suppressing her abilities to stepping fully into her calling 
  •  How life challenges, parenting, and neurodiversity shaped her path into mediumship 

🎯 Who this episode is for

  •  Anyone developing their mediumship or intuitive abilities
  •  Those who feel stuck, blocked, or unsure if they’re progressing
  •  People who struggle to quiet their mind or stay consistent
  •  Spiritual seekers who feel there’s more to their connection
  •  Anyone curious about how to build a deeper relationship with spirit

💭 Mentions & ideas

  •  Sitting in the Power 
  •  Intuitive development & discipline 
  •  Spiritual churches & circle work 
  •  Neurodiversity and intuition 
  •  Trusting your inner knowing 
  •  Mediumship as a personal journey 

⚠️ Gentle note

This episode touches on personal experiences of spiritual development, sensitivity, and parenting challenges. Take what resonates, and always trust your own pace and path.

✨ Get in touch

If you have a story, experience, or idea you'd love to share on Soul Sync, I’d love to hear from you.
📩 Email: hello@jasonpaulmedium.com

🌐 Website: jasonpaulmedium.com

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Intro

SPEAKER_01

Hello and welcome to the SoulSync podcast. It's me, Jason Paul, and you're in the place where you're gonna have your consciousness awakened, you're gonna feel on a better vibration, and you're certainly gonna be more knowledgeable by the time you get to the end of this episode. I tell you that now, I've got a guest for you called Melissa O'Sullivan. She's a psychic medium. Our paths first crossed a number of years ago on a course. And Melissa's uh dedication to getting to know her spirit team uh really um, you know, made me stand up and take uh stock, I'll tell you that. It reminds me of Tortoise the Hare, how much I would run ahead with my mediumship at the very beginning. And Melissa's dedication of making an appointment with her spirit team. Um so both they know and she knows, and it got her into a good discipline, which is very much needed in mediumship. Now, this episode is titled Um The Free Tuition from Spirit that nobody talks about. Now, when you're trying to develop your mediumship, um, you might be drawn to courses. I know I go on a lot of courses, and there's a lot to be said about courses. You know, you get to meet other people, like-minded souls, people trying to develop and being in that safe space to practice your mediumship. But you know, you can always find yourself chasing the next course and uh whatever that might be. And Melissa's story and the uh purpose of this episode is to explore how that dedication to sitting for your spirit team, they really are the best teachers. Um, your guides um are here to help you. And at the end of the day, um, it's the ability to sit and be able to work with that energy because essentially everything is energy. And developing your mediumship is about working through those faculties and really getting to understand, you know, what do you feel when the spirit world are around you? And that is such an important part of development. Our pioneers at the very beginning, I tell you what, they didn't have workshops, they didn't have online courses, uh, they didn't have Zoom, uh, you know, books uh in the library about mediumship, but I can assure you probably were few and far between at that. So they sat, they sat and they just developed because of the way they felt. So this is an interesting one in joy. Oh, I'm so excited, I'm so excited to say this, Melissa Roseullivan. Welcome, welcome, welcome to the Soul Sync.

SPEAKER_04

Hello, Jason. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, it's lovely to have you here. So, Melissa, I know you to be one of the nicest human beings. You know, I met you at the Arthur Finlay College. Oh, actually, no, I met you on an online event, first of all. We were partners doing a mediumship reading for one another, and then we went on a weekend course together, and it was a privilege to spend time with you. So please tell the listener what you do, who you are, where you come from.

SPEAKER_04

Right. Well, hello, Jason and everyone. Hello. Basically, about five years ago, we started our journey into mediumships, and really as a small child, I could see and hear spirit, and then from about the age of nine, I could really see and hear, and then I went off on my merry journey of life and I became a hotelier, and I did that for 20 years, and then that kind of came to retirement a time, and I lived in a quite spooky house, shall we say, and really it got to the point that I either turned it on or turned it off, and so I joined I went on the Arthur Finley college journey, and I was fascinated. I was like, oh my god, this why didn't I do this before? And so, and then I met you and lots of other lovely, lovely friends along the way, and I've now just got to the point from lots and lots of training, lots and lots of learning, lots of development, and I've just really started off in 2026 with launching my set website and actually doing this part-time, full-time as a job.

SPEAKER_01

You're taking it's an exciting period of change. You're taking a leap now to fully, you know, believing and empowering yourself to do what you know I know to be your calling, and what what is your calling? And it's it does, you know, it takes courage to uh step into that. And you're busy, it's thriving.

SPEAKER_04

It's really yeah, there's a there's a lot of spirits to work with, to be honest. Yeah, so um, yeah, no, it it is, it's and it's getting that development right, the confidence right, and then within yourself believing that you know you you can help people, and that's what it's all about.

SPEAKER_01

It's beautiful, and I think that with the development as well. I know that knowing you over a number of years, you know, it's we you go through these sort of learning cycles, you know, even am I good enough? Can I really do this? And you know, you go through stages of growth where you know your life around you starts to look entirely different to when you started off on the journey. How do you feel that this I guess the mediumship and since you've been on this journey has impacted in, you know, other areas of your life? Because obviously now it's becoming a career, but have you noticed it's helped you in you know lots of other ways?

Finding Your Tribe & Finally Being Understood

SPEAKER_04

Oh, yeah, definitely, because even with friendships really, and I think one of the most beautiful things about this uh that comes out of it is the friendships that you gain going on a spiritual journey. Because for the first time in my life, in my 40s, I had friends that I could openly talk about what I saw, what I knew, what I experienced, and that wasn't a world for 40 years that I kept very quiet to myself, didn't really want to say too much about intuition or ghosts too much, unless somebody brought the topic of conversation up. So just to actually feel free to be myself and talk in a way that other people understood was a huge tick for me and and maybe allowed me to be the real me a little bit, and you know the the experience as well of all these lovely, lovely friends that I've made who are just inspirational and all with different abilities, all with such different personalities, different takes on spirituality. Who wouldn't want to be part of that? It's incredible.

SPEAKER_01

Well, you're making me, as you were saying that, it was kind of making me think of finding your tribe, so to speak, because I kind of felt that for years, even with a I guess having ADHD and not knowing what it was for years, I'd always say, Oh god, you know, I struggle to make friends. Part of it is because I kind of would feel that maybe I was a lot more mature in some way, and maybe didn't have anything in common. But I guess a lot of it is about, you know, finding your people, finding people who understand, you know, where you are and what you're thinking and how you see the world and how you process it. You know, it a lot of people say that, but the first time they ever walked in a church, it was like a homecoming.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, it's very true, isn't it? And I mean, I'd never even I didn't even know a spiritual church existed, actually.

SPEAKER_01

Well, we are spoilt in this country. We are we are in this country, and there's lots of people who listen to this, I know who could only dream of having a church that encourages communication through the spirit.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah. It's amazing, isn't it? I mean, it's a stage of play, really, and also not only a place of God, but it's it it's got something geek for everybody. So nobody leaves a church without having something personal to them, and that's very special.

What Sitting in the Power Really Is

SPEAKER_01

I agree. I do you know what I I I want to do is I want because one thing I I've really seen in you over these years, because we've both been on sort of different stages of our journey, is we were talking about this before we hit the record button that you know, where am I because sadly we haven't had as much time to catch up, but where are you on your mediumship journey compared to where am I? And it's very interesting to see how you've sort of developed. And I've always felt with you a massive part of why I think that you've progressed is the discipline and the consistency and the continuity of you know how you view spirit, and you always said something to me that still, you know, rings true in my ear today, which is and we had to laugh about this in the early days, but you know, about you having a certain time that you would sit for the spirit world because and and actually I believed at that point in my development that you would sit with them at that time because they would know to only be there in that time. You were making your diary appointment with them, Melissa, carrying across those successful business traits of yours. You would make an appointment and you would stick to that meeting if they whereas I'd make that appointment and I'd do one of those tentative things in the Outlook diary where maybe I'll show up spirit. Well, maybe I won't, maybe I won't. But you know, for you, that's I want to kind of go back to how you were developing this because you've seen spirits growing up and you were having these sensations, and I I can never imagine myself, you know. I wish that would happen to me, but it I sensed it all my life, but I hadn't, you know, I felt things and I was sensitive, but you were seeing that all through. So lots of people do listen to this podcast who are trying to connect to this power that is available to all of us, and it can help in every aspect of our life, whether it be you want to connect to spirits mediumistically, you want to get a creative force. You know, I actually believe that the answer to everything that we need exists within us. Our soul knows what we need. You know, we don't need to be looking outside of ourselves for answers. So I want to go back to you know how you develop that, how you have progressed, and you know, walk us through, you know, sort of what people can do to sort of connect, I guess.

SPEAKER_04

Well, I I believe, and I believe this because I feel my spirit guides taught me this. So, an inward knowing of information, but obviously tutors as well, going on courses teach you about sitting in the power. And you obviously sit with a lot of students, and some students might go, Oh, I've not time for that. That's the big answer, isn't it? And some students might be very into it in maybe a more really, really going for it kind of attitude, slightly different to myself as well. So it seems it seems to be a thing. As soon as you say sitting in the power, I think everyone has like or an effect on people, right? Because they're like, oh no, not the words of sitting in the power.

SPEAKER_01

Well, it evokes different reactions and it's evoked different reactions. Yeah. Well, over my evolution, it has sitting in the power. First of all, I saw it as meditation, then I couldn't really understand what it was, then I felt I was in it but wasn't in control of it.

SPEAKER_00

Then I thought I knew, yeah. But it is lots of my time. Go on, go on.

“Free Tuition” from Spirit — How Development Actually Happens

SPEAKER_04

I'm stealing your so um as soon as I was talked about this sitting in the power, I was like, oh, I get this, right? You've got to sit with spirits so they know you want to communicate. Now you're not communicating, but you're telling them you're not only have I seen ghosts or I've known things and I've been in my little world, but okay, I'm gonna sit with you to send out the intention that I'm actually going to pay some attention to what I've been seeing, hearing, feeling for the last 40 years of my life. And I'm gonna start a talk. But I'm not gonna just start talking to a spirit and say, oh, Jason, I've got your great grandmother here, because that wouldn't make any sense for it. So therefore, you've got to sit and put the intention up out to God and the bigger power to say, I would like to be your instrument of communication, and I'd like to be able to you to talk through me, I will allow you to do this, and I need to be the best I can at this. But in order to do that, I need to sit in the power and still and have a knowing of what you need from me, and I feel when you sit in the power, what do they need from me? What do I need from them? It is a communication, I feel so I also feel it actually energizes me because I feel they give me some healing, I feel they give me some knowing, they give me insight, and they just take me on a journey that is extremely powerful, nothing to do with the spirits that we're seeing and dealing with, but I have a knowing of pioneers, I have a knowing of the other realms, I have knowings of maybe where or what I should be going and in movement, but also to be more realistic about sitting in the power, you get a feel a body sensation, so like maybe a cold wavy feel on your face, and you just know to sit very upright, so you know to keep your chakras in alignment. It's not sleepy, sleepy time, but it does.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I well, yes, I've gone wrong with that. You know, I I used to prefer doing it lying down, and then I'd wake up thinking, have I been charged? Have I not? What's happened? And this is exactly it.

SPEAKER_04

By not falling asleep, you should feel I feel anyway, extremely well charged. And I also tend to, not every time, have a little story of what I've done, what I've seen, what I've heard, what I've experienced, and what my body's had an adjustment to. So it might even mean that I get a slight adjustment in my throat, or I get a slight, slight adjustment, and this allows me then for my mediumship to keep developing. So if we see it as a threat, the best way to look at it is if I sit in the power, and I would reckon I think for me, I sat in the power at a regular time every week, once or twice a week, and that by doing that, and I have a bit I had a busy, busy life, and I feel but by doing that, you are then just homing in your skills and you're getting free tuition. It's free. You're not going to what you know wherever you're going or paying for an online course, or you're actually sitting there going, Oh, if I take this as it saves me£20 bit of extra development, I think every student to go after I'm I'm saving a lot of money because you are developing in that time. That's what I feel anyway.

SPEAKER_01

You you make uh some very good points there, and I think that when you were talking, it was making me think that when you first start sitting, you know, what I would do now if I was to give advice to people is you're sitting first of all, and you are, you know, first of all, you've got to work on quietening the mind, you've got to work on, you know, getting used to being able to get in a position where you can relax yourself enough, where you're not distracted, where you can, you know, focus on your breathing, ground yourself, these sorts of things. But when you do have these experiences that happen to you, uh initially they can be very subtle. And I think sometimes people are, and I was expecting this, I would sort of sit there thinking, right, am I gonna imag am I gonna see an orb running across the front of me? You know, what am I waiting for? But the one thing that is consistent is I always feel and know that I'm in the power because I feel it. There is always a body sensation associated with it.

Why Most People Avoid This (And How to Start Properly)

SPEAKER_04

And I also think if it is a struggle, and I've got to admit I didn't ever find it overly a struggle. I might have fallen asleep a few times to, you know, because none of us are perfect, everything takes practice, practice, practice, practice. So this is what you can't give up with. But may if it is really a struggle, start with five minutes and lead it up in time. It doesn't have to be arduous, it should be enjoyable. But I love doing it, but I love doing it because I've learned to do it and I've conditioned myself and it's it's very powerful. And as like I say, it gives me a lot of energy and the growth development is huge. And then the other thing to think about is it might be that you hear, you know, you get you go to the wonderful Arthur Finley, and you might they might teach you sitting in the power, but it might be that you don't actually enjoy the one they're saying and they give you a recording, then go and find one that does resonate. You've got to find what sits right with you, I think. Because there is so much, you've got Glenn Edwards, you've got loads of pioneers, you've got all the lecturers that are in here in the moment. So if you're more traditional or if you want to be a little bit more younger heart, then go with what you're here, go with what feels right and you'll stick to it.

SPEAKER_01

It might even be what feels right is just sitting in the silence. You know, it might even be what feels right to you is no track. And you know, I there is still there is so much to be said though about I think sometimes as when we're on this journey, and I do this in my own life, is I say, right, okay, I'm gonna sit in the power every single night now, and then beat myself up because I haven't done it, and then realise that I've set unrealistic expectations from the beginning. You also mentioned as well about seeing it as a joy, you know, it is a sacred experience. And I would sometimes go, all right, it's that time of the night again, right? Let's go up there now and sort of drag my heels. But part of my problem at the beginning was because you know, we all have different challenges in life and different aspects. You know, for instance, I have no issue whatsoever walking up to the platform necessarily, but my big issue at the start was quieting my mind enough to even be able to contemplate, you know, feeling the power, because you know, it took me a long time to be able to quiet my mind enough to be able to achieve that, which you know, I want to come on in a moment to talking about these sorts of subjects in more detail. But you know, I think you've just got to, like you said, even just making that time twice a week to sort of make it into an enjoyable experience because mediumship is a creative process, and it if if you're already going in in the wrong vibe and the wrong mindset, then it's pointless sitting, you know, sometimes.

SPEAKER_04

And and I think you're right there. So it imagine you say, right, every every Friday at 9 a.m., I'm going to do that. Then actually by 8 a.m. you should be kind of going, oh, lovely, 60 minutes I'll be doing that, and I'll be ready, and I've got my room ready, or I've got my chair ready, and just like you rightly said, as if it was a business appointment or you made an appointment, because you can't rock up 10 minutes late because that wouldn't be acceptable.

SPEAKER_00

I like that. Melissa even.

Why Most People Avoid This (And How to Start Properly)

SPEAKER_04

So I think that's a really big thing. And if that time doesn't work for you, then make it a different time that you know you're not too tired, which is very important, and you know it's not a time where you're going to make an excuse. I do try doing it with lots of different friends at various times, and actually that didn't work for me personally. But I think it's worth if if you're if you've got a friend who's going on a similar journey and even via Zoom, it does help. I think that helps the power.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, it it definitely does help.

SPEAKER_04

And it also makes you do it, but then if it's only you know, I recommend doing that for half an hour, and I I don't do It for much longer, maybe an hour occasionally.

SPEAKER_01

I yeah, and I think start with realistic expectations, you know. Start with just even five minutes of quietening one's mind, you know, and the just the benefit alone of even being able to be in control of your thoughts to be able to quiet in your mind is going to be a skill that serves you so well, even aside from connecting the spirit world.

SPEAKER_04

Just think every time you've done it, you're a step closer to becoming that me a better medium because your communication's opening, opening, opening, and you'll be like, Oh, this it this is doing it all for me, but I have to sit for it to do it for me.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, and and I think as well, it having that that regular schedule, sitting regularly, it and I even know this from my own experiences, is helped me so much in so many aspects of my life because it's when I quieten my mind that's when I get these kind of downloads of insight, of intuition come in because I'm actually giving them a chance to enter the ether.

SPEAKER_04

Yes, yeah. There's a lot of health benefits, your breathing improves, your mind is less busy, you the neurons in your body are calmer. I mean, I'm not I'm I'm no specialist, but you can sense it, you do that for a number of years. You're like, oh, I I'm near enough a Buddha at this stage.

SPEAKER_01

Well, it's a lot of people don't even realise when their nervous system is in a heightened state because they're in a sense of fight or flight. So, you know, there is a lot and lot a lot of benefits as well. I want to ask as well, because you, aside from being a business person, and aside from all the other things you do, as well as sitting in your lovely, you know, workspace there that you use for your mediistic work, you also have three daughters.

SPEAKER_04

I do, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, which you know is a full-time job in itself. But you it's always stood out to me as well your understanding and acceptance of you know, sort of how you perceive the world, Melissa. And it always stood out to me that a lot of that was because of your children. So I I understand that two of your daughters had autism. I'd like to ask you about your personal experiences here because one, firstly, it's never really a subject that we've talked about on the podcast, and I know that even there's you know, even to understand an autistic child in itself, you know, it is a journey. So I I guess, you know, tell us about your experiences and your lovely daughters.

SPEAKER_04

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

The super mum that you are.

Parenting, Autism & Spiritual Growth

SPEAKER_04

Thank you, thank you. I I will remind them. I think that's it really, and that probably is the other 50% of why I've become a spiritualist, is because not only was I contending with a lot of ghosts and trying to pretend they weren't existing in the house and everything going on, uh and in the hotel I owned, it was very it was a very busy life. Of uh, I used to live in Bath, which very it's a very old city, but fascinating, but scary. It was scary. And then I had my three lovely, lovely children, and my eldest one, who has a very unusual form of autism, brought to me amazing parents because basically, yes again, we talk about friends as a bit of a uh coincidence there, but basically, I obviously met an awful lot of parents just like me who were a bit lost because they had children with additional needs, and really I would spend a lot of time with them talking about e8 spits eHCPs, which is um in the UK, a piece of paper that would allow your child to go to additional needs schools or to get the support they need, and it's vital. And you know, I like myself I had to fight to go to the court to get it and to get her the support she needed. But on this journey, because I was probably such a fighter for getting it for her, as well as it being highly emotional. I mean, I was a I'm I I was pure wreck because I had to support her, look after her, and also emotionally deal with it all.

SPEAKER_01

Fight for her at the same time, you know. Absolutely, it was fit, it was it was draining, it was draining with everything else on your plate as well.

SPEAKER_04

And then, yeah, absolutely, running the hotel and having other children, because I I never noticed anything was wrong, if I'm honest, till she was about six. And then and then basically it was like a whole world opened up with these most amazing friends who were in the same boat as me.

SPEAKER_01

And then you went made you start to realise that sh you know six years old.

SPEAKER_04

She never answered um, she wouldn't answer a name, which do you know, so unless you put your hand on her shoulder. And then really the school, she wasn't learning to read or write. But in another way, I think because she's probably my child, she's an extremely spiritual child, so she's very knowledgeable and very it's like she was like talking to a 20-year-old, but as a five-year-old, so she which kind of camouflaged maybe some of the I can imagine you would be thinking, well, she's learning very quickly, developing. And so, you know, we had these challenges, but then to have these friends who are crying in unison with you because they've got children and they're not being accepted at school or going on a similar journey of like, what is that we've got, what is our learning, what is our journey, what are we supposed to do with children that aren't accepted into the school system, you know, and I did so much, hopefully, I did a lot of help for other parents because I just I kind of was like, right, I'm gonna be here for other parents, one-to-one, help each other. And some of my friends did likewise. And I quite often get a phone call saying, Oh, if you don't mind, but so and so told me, you know, uh, you've got a child like mine, and can you help me? And basically I ended up doing loads of it felt like a lot of counselling because I'd been through it and I was really, really wanted to help people because I didn't want them to go through what I had to go through. Because it's lonely, it's lonely. And also just to get the right support and help for your child, because they don't come with a manual, and it's really complicated.

SPEAKER_01

No, they don't.

SPEAKER_04

It's complicated. No, they don't. Then you get and it takes years for a diagnosis, and then they go, Oh, maybe it's not, which is you know, and you know, then you've got the whole, oh, should you have a label? Should you not have a label? I'm like, give her a label. I said, I need an EHC pin. So to speak.

SPEAKER_01

You don't even you don't even think about uh these aspects.

SPEAKER_04

It it just do you know what? And my mum puts it absolutely right to me. She said, Melissa, this is the one thing is totally out of your control. You can't fix this. And she was absolutely right. I couldn't fix it, I can just go with it and I can learn from it. And really, I thought, wow, do I continue helping all these parents as well as trying to run my businesses, or actually is spirituality where I go with this? Because maybe there's a different way of me teaching and learning and understanding the complexities. And and I was only just saying to you before we came on the amount of people that come for readings, but I'm able to understand on when I'm doing psychic readings, and I can really help parents kind of govern and understand and see where things are going, and are you know, on a mental, emotional, physical way. And I just think, well, this is wonderful because I've actually now been able to kind of really utilize that journal of information that I have on a quite simple way, and spirit are helping me with parents in this way.

SPEAKER_01

It's kind of you know, from looking through the looking glass here, it's like, you know, from the moment that your daughter was diagnosed, it's acted as a catalyst for you to suddenly have become a warrior for other parents who you know, don't not be there's a lot to be said, like me and you are quite similar in in that respect. I'm like my granddad. I'm you know, I always want to believe there's a solution, and if the something is not able to be fixed, you know, I sort of feel you can feel very hopeless, but you know, what it you know you sort of going into that story as well.

SPEAKER_04

I think it to to see how it's led you to now even meet in your mediumship having so much of that sort of infused with what's been going on with other parents is yeah, and and also people themselves where they feel maybe they maybe feel a bit lost or it you know, maybe the issues they have, the questions they're coming to you with is all because the real answer is the way the brain works, and isn't that okay?

SPEAKER_01

I actually feel that so many people who've got neurodivergent conditions have got like they're highly talented in so many areas, they're they're like supercharged. Yeah. And you know, I I know that my ADHD really is my superpower, it allows me to perceive the world in a very different way. But that was a problem in school, you know. That was a problem because people, neurodivergent kids, they do not fit into that linear school model because it's no, it's not made that way.

SPEAKER_04

And and I've actually moved house for my children so that they go to, and there's only two in the country, and they're a diverse school to assist them, and they have a well of a time because I was like, no, we've got to put them in a school that they fit into, not them fit into a school they don't. Because and I I hope they I but they tell me they have the best time they can have a school, and I think that's the most important, the most important thing.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. How does it how does it differ?

SPEAKER_04

Is it kind of how do they oh well it's m it's a lot of practical so uh okay it's so even maths is practical and they've got a farm and they've got you name it, they've got it. It sounds like when I needed to go for school anything to diversify from sitting in the classroom is is uh is is the the the way they learn. Because um, you know, it that neurodiverse children are no different to people who aren't. We've all got different levels of uh of ability, and we all got they've all got different strengths and different weaknesses. So it doesn't make any it's no different in that respect. It's not they're all geniuses and it's not that they're all can't do things you wouldn't think they can. It's so it's just being very open to the it the world's gone the world is kind of having to understand that we should all be communicating together. And so I think, I feel that the ones the neurodiverse people and the neurotypical people, why aren't the neurotypical people who kind of get a better grasp of things, shall we say? Why aren't they learning to talk to the neurodiverse people in the way they understand? Why is it the neurodiverse people have to learn how to talk to them? Doesn't make any sense, does it? I don't think. Why are we in school not going, right? Okay, if you've got somebody who doesn't understand this, this, and this, how do we put it in a different way?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's all about what that person understands. If you're not speaking the right language, speak it a different language.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, because state schools, you've got a communication, they'll only communicate one way, it's rigid, but the world isn't rigid, so we why are we not going, okay, we're gonna learn and communicate the way we understand this is commit their communicating? Let's give them a hand. But it we don't seem to have got there with that yet.

SPEAKER_01

No, well, I think we need to look at education in a whole because I think intuitive studies should be a massive part of education, you know, tr telling people about their intuition to trust their judgment, how to harness that, especially in the in the world that we live in now where people are looking outside of themselves so often for you know information that everyone's on their phone, their tablet, or whatever. It's almost like we don't trust in our own gut feeling anymore.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, yeah, yes, I mean it's it's it's opened a whole new kind of words AI, which is amazing, but it is a little bit worrying that we can't think for ourselves to a point. And and it will be interesting to see how many problems will be created from this, will it not?

SPEAKER_01

I yeah, I do agree. I do agree. I I do you know what I do love a bit of chat GBT, but you do have to be careful with it, you know, it's it doesn't always give the right answer, and it flatters you endlessly. You're I'm always right, according to chat GBT as well. Jason, you are wonderful. This is another fantastic idea.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, and and the prop the only problem with AI is it doesn't understand emotions, does it?

SPEAKER_01

No, it doesn't.

SPEAKER_04

So therefore, we're weirdly, and which is what we just talked about, why isn't the neurotypical person able to talk to the neurodiverse person? Now, isn't the AI the neurodiverse person?

SPEAKER_03

And yet some all of a sudden we've gone, oh, we can't talk to them, but we can talk to AI. It doesn't make any sense, does it?

SPEAKER_01

It doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_03

And then we've got Harry Potter, right?

SPEAKER_04

We all love him. Why, like you say, why haven't we put that in the school curriculum? Why are we not reverse?

SPEAKER_01

I agree. Make it fun, make it inspiring, give children things they want.

SPEAKER_04

Teaching intuition and breath work and whatever else.

SPEAKER_01

Breath work, meditation. We need to be teaching that in schools a hundred percent. Yes, definitely. It should be as valuable as PE time, you know, in some ways. But um, you've got to work out your body, you've got to, you know, make sure your mind's in check. And actually, if they encouraged more children and walked people into meditation, you know, they would have to immediately tackle you know mental health issues.

SPEAKER_04

It would. I mean, that they're bringing in a lot of counselling and therapy, and that's all out there. And then there's all, you know, obviously we haven't touched on children that maybe have uh physical disabilities, but more that would be such a a huge way to help everybody because we're meant to be inclusive, aren't we?

Stepping Into Mediumship & Doing Real Readings

SPEAKER_01

I guess you know what what advice from your own experiences would you give to, you know, parents who may be on that journey of discovery with their children.

SPEAKER_04

Um I think it's important to stay really strong. I think it's it's I think my biggest thing would be that you have to accept it and and embrace it. It would be my my biggest thing to say. Embrace the child that you have and just go with it and let them show you their capabilities, let them show you their likes and dislikes, and then just keep holding their hand and just see where it leads you, because I think that is that that they've got that. That they're them, aren't they?

SPEAKER_01

They are, you know, don't I guess you don't ever want to say to uh you know a child you can't do that unless they're misbehaving in the Isle in Sainsbury's, then it's a whole nother story.

SPEAKER_04

Yes, and but then like any child, it doesn't matter if you're neurodiverse one or or or you know, likewise. At the end of the day, discipline and uh family values that they have to be for everybody, do they not?

SPEAKER_01

They do, yeah. They do. I think well, I'm very um glad you managed to get your daughters into school after such a battle. You know, you a lot of people do not have that amount of fight, Melissa O'Sullivan, I have to say.

SPEAKER_04

It is a fight, yeah. Yeah, to fight, a fight to fix it, is it not?

SPEAKER_01

It is. So I want to just go back then to what are you doing at the moment in terms of your mediumship? Because you've you know started this business now, it's you know going very well, you're doing lots of readings. Where are you wanting to go in your journey?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, well, I I think uh I I wanted to talk to you about that because the the and to the listeners, because we do all this developing, don't we, Jason? And uh we do lots of sitting in the power and we do all the lectures and we do go on the wonderful courses, and then all of a sudden you kind of go, Oh my god, I best actually do some readings and I best start putting that intention out there, and I'm really scared, and am I good enough?

SPEAKER_03

And and then you start to add it all up, going, Well, I best I best do this, and then you've got these lovely friends, and they're like, you know, everyone's going, Oh, I've dipped my toe and I've done a routine, and you know, and we all start to like kind of literally like on the side of a pole jumping slowly, kind of and we're all going off on different directions.

Ghost Work, House Clearings & Understanding Spirit

SPEAKER_04

That's what's fascinating about spirituality because we start off thinking we're gonna be a medium, but no one mediums the same, no, which is cra and and because we because mediumship's very much about our personality, so what you see is what you get, and and we have to bring our personality on board with all of that. So basically, I I I uh I go to Circle at Starbridge Church, which is amazing, and I've got my lovely Roberta and everybody there, they're lovely, and that has really kind of brought me. I think Circle is a fantastic and a very important part of developing personally because every time you've gone, you can say to yourself, What did I learn? What did I do? What did I experience? And that's different to maybe practicing with people, it's a bit of a different edge to it. And I l so I love circle, but I loved I love church as well, admittedly. And then from that, I set up this webs on my website eventually, and I'm taking doing one-to-one readings, I'm also demonstrating. So I am doing my CSNU with the church, the the SNU church, but just doing that nice and slow and steady, and then I'm actually doing work more of a so not just church, I'm doing more demonstrations that are like in venues, and she's I've just been offered with that. I do one-to-one readings as well after that, a few days later. I do that, and then the other thing I do is she's we're just talking about doing workshops and having fun in tuition classes. I do some ghosty work now as well because I love ghosts.

SPEAKER_01

I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I love them now, I don't feel them.

SPEAKER_01

We could talk about that a lot because we both share that passion. And I know that you've recently been looking into you know house clearances and things like that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, love it. From your own experiences, you're you're you're tried and tested because you when you was in buff that house, you know.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, and you know what? I was like, and I just never wanted anybody to fear the way I felt. I mean, I literally would run out that house going, oh, I can't cope with what's going on, and and all these fears.

SPEAKER_01

What do you think's going on there when that's happening in the house? Uh do you believe that is a spirit person doing that? You know, what what is going on when someone is in that environment? Why why are they choosing to do that?

SPEAKER_04

Oh, what what why are the spirits doing that to the person?

SPEAKER_01

I just guess, you know, because my belief is when we're a spirit, you know, we we go up and you know, why are we stuck in the house wanting to do these things?

SPEAKER_04

Well, I and that's what I love doing. So it's not just about so say if I did do a remote clearing, it is because what's going on, what are the people experiencing in the house? What is that what is it? Is it ghost, is it uh earthbound or whatever, you know, need to find out what it is. And then what's their story? Who are they? And why are they there? And why what is it that they need from me to help them? Because it's now time for these other people in the physical realm to live. In harmony and in peace.

SPEAKER_01

Yes.

SPEAKER_04

But it I think it's lovely to know why they're there and what I can do to help them to not be there.

SPEAKER_01

And do you find that after asking them, you know, they by giving them that acknowledgement and having that conversation, is that then sort of the book closed on the matter and the affair?

SPEAKER_04

Or yeah, generally. I mean, just always have to have a little check back in with the people that are we on the same page here.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Is there anything is there still anything going on? Or are you feeling is it feeling settled? Is it is the house feeling lighter? Is it got got an ease about it? That's what it's all about, isn't it? And if there isn't, is what fine attunement needs to be made there? But I think it's so nice to know somebody's story as well, because we've all got a story after.

Final Advice — How to Begin Your Journey

SPEAKER_01

Well, I think as well, you know, we we we all grow up that you know, ghosts, poltergeists, spirits, you know, these things are absolutely scary. So the first thing that because I I used to hear this story from my mum all the time, that my sister went absolutely crazy growing up, so much so that stuff used to happen in this house where they lived. The plant pots would spin when my grandad the medium was out, things would happen. And eventually my mum's sister was having a mental health breakdown so much over they had to move out of the house.

SPEAKER_04

I mean, you've just hit the nail on the head because it goes from watching, say, a little bit of uncanny on TV, going, Oh, this is fascinating, you know. But then reality sits here, you know, and you're like, hang on a minute, this is day in, day out of TVs going mad, or you know, you can feel a high, you know, you just know stuff and you hear stuff, and it it's just you're never your mind is just not just within itself, it's not calm, there's no switching off.

SPEAKER_01

I think it's also, you know, we have spirits around us all the time in our homes anyway. You know, it's if you suddenly, you know, think that you're always in your home and a spirit never comes to visit you, you are probably far mistaken. It's just you're not tuned into it to a lot of people. You know, you know, this I believe family members, you know, probably come by quite often. You know, it's just we choose to well, you know, I've had things happen to me over the years where I said, Oh, that was weird that that just happened. I said, Oh, it was a coincidence, it was obviously something to do with the power, or you know, there's always something that it's it could be, you know. But I was trusting my feeling now. Melissa, I am loving our time together, which is drawing to an ever close. And, you know, if you do want to find out Melissa more about Melissa, you can go to our website, which is in the show notes. I want you to leave us with a final thought today. I think we've we've covered so many really interesting topics, you know, from how you get going, you know, you know, to to you know, write through what your journey. And I think even what you said there about, you know, what you do and you know what you drives you is fascinating. So please leave us with a thought today.

SPEAKER_04

Right. Well, I think for anybody people out there that feel a real calling to mediumship, just find a meditation of the sitting in the power and an attunement for that, attunements when you actually want to work. Find ones that resonate with you but that you would look forward to doing, you know, and and that's I think is the most important. That takes a little bit of effort, that does to try and find different ones that you might like, and then really anyone who's interested in spirituality would love to hear or like the thought of having a message or evidence brought to them from a loved one, a friend, somebody over in the spirit world, and they've never really known what to do, where to go, but you know, just go to just even try a spiritual church if you can, whether that's on Zoom, going into one, just try. I mean, I'm part of the SNU church, which I which is really what mediumship I feel is a lot about, and that's what I love to offer to serve. But you know, who go in there, you give a small donation, you can hear a lovely prayer or address. You don't need to be overly you don't need to be religious at all if that's not even float your boat. But you might get a message that you might just start to start your own spirituality off to kind of go there's a bit more to the world than just this one. And isn't that a lovely little thought in your head that you've just engaged that there might be just more to you than you thought there was.

SPEAKER_01

And there might just be.

SPEAKER_00

All that leaves me to say is Melissa Roseullivan, thank you for coming onto the Salt Sync podcast.

SPEAKER_03

My pleasure, Jason. Thank you very much. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01

Well, there we go. You might just have gifts that you never knew about. I think we all have gifts, and I think sometimes we have a lot more gifts than we actually think we do. What Melissa is saying about sitting down and being in the power and getting to know your energy, getting to know your spirit team is something that I am striving myself ever more to do. And it's it has so many benefits. I get something from it every single time I sit. I just need to sit and still my mind. But until next time, goodbye.