The Trust Problem: Unlocking the Gifts You’ve Been Told to Ignore?! — With Kieron Morgan

A workshop-style conversation with Kieron Morgan exploring intuition, sensitivity, spiritual gifts, imagination, mediumship development, and why learning to trust yourself is central to the spiritual path.

What if the thing you’ve been doubting… is actually the very thing you’re here to trust?

In this workshop-style episode of Soul Sync, I’m joined by Kieron Morgan for a powerful conversation about intuition, sensitivity, spiritual gifts, imagination, and the deep trust problem so many people face on the spiritual path.

We explore why sensitive people often grow up feeling different, why society teaches us to dismiss what we feel or perceive, and how spiritual awareness can become suppressed when we’re told to fit into a version of “normal” that was never really built for us.

Kieron shares his own experiences of seeing spirit and fairy folk as a child, the emotional overwhelm of being highly sensitive, and the journey of learning to trust what was coming through rather than explaining it away.

This episode is especially for anyone developing spiritually, intuitively or mediumistically — and anyone who has ever asked:

“Am I making this up?”

Because perhaps the imagination isn’t the enemy of spirit communication.

Perhaps it’s one of the ways spirit speaks.

What you’ll hear

•  Why sensitive and intuitive people often struggle to trust themselves 
•  How childhood conditioning can shut down spiritual gifts 
•  The link between imagination, clairvoyance and spirit communication 
•  Why spirit often works through your memories, symbols and inner pictures 
•  Kieron’s powerful stories of early spirit experiences 
•  How empaths can absorb emotions that are not their own 
•  Why readings can become harder when you over-focus on the person in front of you 
•  The danger of giving your power away to teachers or systems 
•  Why discernment matters just as much as trust 
•  Practical advice for grounding, protection, cleansing and opening safely 

Who this episode is for

This episode is for anyone who feels spiritually sensitive, intuitive, empathic, mediumistic, or simply different.

It’s also for anyone who has doubted their gifts, dismissed their inner knowing, or wondered whether what they feel is “real” or “just imagination.”

Mentions & ideas

We discuss sensitivity, ADHD, masking, empaths, clairvoyance, imagination, mediumship development, energetic protection, spiritual teachers, aura reading, etheric cords, spirit communication, and learning to trust the information that comes through.

Gentle note

This episode includes discussion around emotional overwhelm, breakdown and suicidal feelings in the context of Kieron’s personal journey. Please listen with care, and if anything feels close to home, reach out to someone you trust or seek professional support.

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Transcript

— Intro music

Charlie Kelly Medium 0:11

Hello and welcome to the Soul Sync podcast. It's me, Jason Paul. Now, we're exploring together a subject all to do with trust. Now, Kira Morgan, who comes on the podcast every single month like a true warrior, to do his full moon meditations, which are extremely popular, wanted to come on today to do a workshop style episode titled The Trust Problem Unlocking the Gifts You've Been Told to Ignore. Now, talking about the trust problem, how many sensitive, intuitive, or spiritually open people lose trust in themselves because society teaches them to dismiss what they feel, sense, see, or know? And that's so damaging. All it does is put people in their heads, and you know, we need to be more in touch than ever before about how we feel because it's what we feel that's going to guide us to what we really should be doing. So we talk in this episode, Kieran and I, about being different from an early age. And Kieran talks about how people with different wiring, sensitivities, or spiritual perception often feel outside the normal mould, and how that can lead to masking, self-doubt, and suppression. Um, Kieran also talked about how when he was a child, he would often see fairies, spirit, and a Victorian man in a black hat as a child, and how his mum's open response helped him not fully shut it down. We also discussed about conditioning as well, because a lot of us as children are sensitives, I must tell you. Um, we often get told that that isn't real, don't be s uh silly that you're not gonna fit in at school if you keep sort of saying things like that, which gradually closes down the imagination, the awareness, and the child's spiritual perception. We also talked about my own experiences of ADHD, school masking, and how sensitive people often spend life trying to fit into systems that were never meant for them. And I uh found that a lot in my life. I didn't even realise what masking was until about um a year ago when I was a documentary on the BBC called Inside My ADHD Minds, and I realised that I've been masking my whole life trying uh and I've become so used to doing it, it's just the default part of my being now. So that was very interesting as well. Kieran also explained as well how empaths often absorb other people's emotions. And he for years um found that this was happening to him, and he didn't even realise many of the feelings that he was carrying were not actually his own, and how meditation protection and energetic practice helped Kieran filter what was coming in. So we cover a lot of ground in this episode, and if you've had uh a gift or you're sensitive and perhaps you've uh felt that you've not fitted in, this is gonna be an interesting and hopefully comforting conversation for you. So, this is my workshop style episode with the lovely, lovely Kieran Morgan titled The Trust Problem: Unlocking the Gifts You've Been Told to Ignore. So, Kieran, firstly, welcome to your own master class titled The Trust Problem Unlocking the Gifts You've Been Told to Ignore. Welcome.

SPEAKER_01 3:35

Thank you very much. It's really nice to uh to have this opportunity to have a really good talk thing through. We we meet up every month for the full moon, have a little chat before and after we do our little segue segments and things like that. But we uh and we've promised to get involved in this and talk about things for a while. So I'm really glad that we've finally managed to get some dates down. Thank you for your patience, Ernie, with my computer deciding that it was gonna not play ball. It happens, it doesn't really matter how many times I checked.

Charlie Kelly Medium 4:06

It happens to the best of us. It's uh you're very welcome. Yeah, I'm looking forward to sorry, we're off to a good start. I can't stop interrupting you here, and there we go. So it is nice to have you on. Obviously, this has been a long time in the making, quite literally. It's been over, I think, about two years we've probably been talking about doing this. And it is nice to have you on because you obviously come and grace us every month with the full moon meditation, which is lovely. But you are a man of many talents, you know, and we want to sort of delve into some of these areas. And some of the areas we're going to talk about today are areas where you know you're you're very passionate about these particular topics. So I want to dive straight into the trust problem that we seem to have. And we're not talking about necessarily your partner here or someone else or a friend. We're talking about oneself, aren't we, Kieran?

— The real trust problem

SPEAKER_01 5:07

Yeah, and it's um the trust issue is is is an interesting one because it's from the point of view of delving into the world of spirituality and spiritual gifts and things outside the norm being a little bit different, seeing the world in a different way. I think our society now, especially in the last 10 years, is really starting to get to grips with differential brain chemistry, you know, the diversity in in that, in sexuality, in ideology, and in in the the chemistry of the brain itself. And we have throughout sort of human history, we we we kind of focused in, laser focused in on an ideology. Like the Victorians really kind of focused us in on this is what an ideal person is. You know, they have their job, they have their career, they have their their wife, they have their 2.4 children, their labrador, their house, their mortgage, their guilt edged guilt complex, and anything else uh away from that was found upon. I mean, if they weren't traditionally religious, then they would again be sort of shunned from society a little bit. If they were different in any part of the world, any if they couldn't be fit into that little ideological pigeonhole, then they weren't you know, they weren't good people. And I'm very glad on a personal level that those frameworks seem to be dissolving around us and dissolving very quickly now. You know, that kind of frost and permafrost has is defrosted from that point of view, and we're really breaking through. So all of the different groups and ideologies and and mechanics of our of our processes are uh are coming to the fore, and people are much more accepting of those things, which is a great relief to everyone that feels that they're even slightly different in some kind of way. And of course, we're all different. There's no average person, but that ideology has certainly been something that's held people in the in its thrall for such a long time.

Charlie Kelly Medium 7:17

You see how society, you know, is it has become made in that way, you know, it's all based on the you know the principle very much, you know, of uh life and death and scarcity and systems and society, and you know, we kind of we go through our lives and you know, we get taught how to be. And I yeah, I think on your point there, just about being more society being more accepting, I think we are becoming that much more so. And it is it is taking pace. I think it's taking pace a lot, especially with the younger generation now. You know, I I think people are are tending to have more of their own mind as well. It's it's kind of a catch-22, though, in some ways, with social media. I think people are more well informed as well, but there is an issue with trusting oneself, you know. I it took me a long time to to trust myself in a lot of senses, and I grew up gay in a well in an environment where there was in a very crazy part of Kent where the word chav derived from I had the pleasure of growing up next to. And this wasn't a great area to be of any, you know, kind of minority segment of society. But yeah, you make an interesting point there. You do make an interesting point.

— Childhood spirit experiences

SPEAKER_01 9:01

And if we if we go to the kind of the point of the the alternative brain chemistry, like of being their voyant or their sentient, their audience, or seeing spirit in whichever way, shape, or form you know, when when we look at the terms of brain chemistry, then the that differential brain chemistry, which can be the the being a different part of society, like a gender fluid or a different sexuality, they kind of regularly go hand in glove. You know, mine is left being left-handed, brains, brains are wired slightly differently. So there's more scope sometimes, it's not necessarily all the time, they get told off for saying that just because you're left-handed doesn't mean you have to be clairvoyant or anything, but that change of brain chemistry, that differential brain chemistry, really changes things and really give us uh see seeing the world in a different way and experiencing the world in a different way. And one of the things that's also very important is that there's that whole huge section of society that will say that everything that we believe in and everything that we do is absolute nonsense. You know, when you die, that's it. There's no spirits, there's no ghosts, there's no extraterrestrials, there's no fairies, there's none of those things. And they'll say, well, you know, if if if a if I can't see it, it doesn't exist. But if you look purely from a physics point of view, the amount of the electromagnetic spectrum, which is uh the vibrational energy, which is what permeates across the entire universe. And something sometimes we can see things, we can feel things, we can hear things. But our perception of that is so tiny compared to the actual whole spectrum that you know we can't hear half of an elephant's call because it's subsonic to us, we don't experience it. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You know, our planet vibrates with with the resonance, this human resonance, we can't hear it. We can feel it, but we can't hear it. Does that mean that it doesn't exist? Well, I think it does. And just because somebody somewhere 150 years ago, 200 years ago said, oh, well, uh, you know, nobody can see angels, nobody can see hear departed spirits, you can't hear your aunt Elsie's chatting away uh uh about uh her love of uh for boogling music or whatever, that you know, just because one person claimed well because wasn't can't doesn't mean that it's not true. It means that their perception of something is different. But our society has always vilified that, well not always, but for a long time, for for our lifetimes, our generation's lifetimes, and for for dozens as well. So this trust that we we struggle with, those of us that are on this kind of spiritual journey, this path, kind of stems from being different from a very early age. We may know that we are different. I could see the fairy folk when I was a kid. I could play with I played with them in the garden, I could see spirit. I would talk to an old man. There was an old man, uh spirit man, a Victorian man with in a tall top hat with with a long uh three-quarter length suit. And my sister and I walked around the garden holding hands with him and talking to him. And I remember, I don't remember, I remember my mum telling me or asking me what my sister was doing, because she was a she was gabbling in a kind of I think she was 18 months and she was just not really talking English, but she was talking away to this and had a little hand up in the air walking around the garden, and mum was like, Well, what is she doing? I said, Well, she's talking to the man in the black hat. Who's the man in the black hat? Because my mum couldn't see anyone. But the wonderful thing about my mum and and and and some of us have this, so we're very lucky to have that. When our parents don't go, oh, don't be stupid, you can't see that. Oh, don't be stupid, you can't hear that. Oh, there's no such thing as fairies. There's no such thing as spirits. Oh no, you can't, your auntie Thelma wasn't no, it didn't, you know. That you can't hear her, you can't you can't speak to Uncle Bill. Mum was always, oh that's nice, dear. She wasn't she she she couldn't necessarily see things herself. My grandmother could, her mum could. So she wasn't closed off to it. And this is the thing, when we when we experience these things and we have the courage to just say to people, or the innocence to say to people, Well, you what do you mean you can't see this little fairy dancing round, I see a fairy, what do you see? And they say, I see a robin. Well, I see a you know, a fairy making herself to look like a robin. So people choose to see robins sometimes. And what happens as we get older is that that conditioning just means that it gets shut down. I was I'm I'm putting in mind of hook with with Robin Williams when he he ends up being kind of an accountant and he c because he's forgotten who he is, he's for forgotten that magic. And this is this is again for a thing for me. I I'm a practicing magician, and magic is it's just being able to to work with the energy around you and see another point of view, change the energy around you, change the world around you through your thoughts and your hopes and your dreams and not be closed off to things. And I'm hoping that societally we we're kind of becoming more open to those ideas uh and and to be able to to do that. So the the to circle back to the whole idea of trust, when we you know we we may not know that seeing you know if there's four human beings sitting in a room and you can see five people And when we say something we because we you may not know that that's not right. You may not know that your Glenn's not actually been alive for five years, but she's still sitting in the in the big chair in the corner of the room knitting. So you gotta you know when you say those things out loud, that's a trust thing. You've got to trust that somebody else is gonna say Yeah, well that's all right, that's fine, that's lovely. Even if they don't necessarily fully believe you as an adult, they can just go, okay, cool, well, why not? And I uh you know, I worked in um in schools for 20 odd years in in in the arts in the theatre world, and I tried really hard to cultivate that idea of uh imagination and seeing things and experiencing things in a different way rather than closing it down because that's what my mum did for me. And if with some young people don't get the chance to be able to have that at home, then I wanted to have that at school where they could talk to me about little different experiences. And at least then we could you could do it under the umbrella of theatre, you know, anything's possible in the theatre. So um it's uh but it's yeah, it's uh it's a difficult thing. And and then if you if you're not kind of backed up in that by the adult in the room, because you you know, obviously we're trained to trust them, then we stop trusting ourselves, stop trusting that we do see these things or hear these sounds, or you know, have a Robin say good morning to us instead of just whistling and chirping. And over time, then if that trust isn't reinforced, then we we can lose it, and it can take a lot of effort later on in life to to kind of open those doors up again.

— Sensitivity, ADHD and masking

Charlie Kelly Medium 16:31

I think you're right. I think uh a hundred percent, especially our sensitive people and people that perceive the world differently, you know, my awareness has been so much more opened since my own diagnosis of ADHD. And I'd always kind of suspected in the last two years that I've got it, but it did answer a lot of questions. And when I when I started medication and I look back now, I feel very sorry for the the Jason of the early years and at school because I realized that you know I would struggle and I would try and fit into that kind of um cookie cutter way that I meant to be in at school, you know, my intentions were always in the right place. It was always he he wants to he wants to work hard, but you know, there was always something there in those subjects. But a lot of us who are empaths or sensitives in one way or another, you know, we have gone through life a lot of the time until such point that maybe we've suppressed our gifts for such a long time that then you know it all sort of blows up in one way or another, and it can be you know very hard as well, you know, if you felt a certain way, and you might even be listening to this episode now feeling a certain way, and thinking, I don't know why I'm here listening to this, but perhaps something's resonating with me. But you know, we do get told, you know, a lot of the time that we need to fit in and we should act in a certain way, and you know, we don't want to even if you know sometimes the in it to in our own doing anything an idea for might think or what someone might care about, and all these things over time they start to chip away, they start to chip away at um, you know, our sense of of being able to trust ourselves and you know, looking outside of ourselves a lot of the time for answers rather than going within. So it's you know, it's interesting there.

— When emotions are not yours

SPEAKER_01 18:40

Yeah, there's a there's a lot to touch on there. I mean the the being sensitive, it's it's very difficult to trust yourself. It's very difficult to trust your feelings because the feelings are so big. Excuse me. And it may not be that you know, it wasn't for me, it wasn't really till I was in my mid mid-thirties that I kind of had this realization after I've been doing this spiritual stuff for at that point, probably seven, eight, nearly ten years then, that half of the feelings that I felt weren't necessarily mine. Actually, when I went into spaces and places, it's a it's a strange dichotomy because I wanted to be around lots of people because I found the energy thrilling. I loved partying. It was back in the day when rave culture was quite big. I loved a good rave and bouncing around, and then something would happen, it would be too much. And everything suddenly felt like it was the volume was turned all the way up to uh 11, you know, from spinal tap or but for me it was about a thousand rather than eleven, and it was so overwhelming, and that that emotion kind of became physically painful, and I I really couldn't cope with it very well. My my kind of gifts as they were, if as they would be described, got kind of shut down when I kind of hit puberty and that kind of thing, because I was going through a a difficult time then anyway. But I was completely overwhelmed by it. You know, I was I was suicidal as a as a late uh in my in my uh sort of late teens around my A levels and early 20s as well. It was just too much, absolutely too much, and I didn't know what to do, and I didn't know how to do anything, I didn't know what was mine, I didn't have really a sense of self, and I couldn't trust myself because my emotions because of the the kind of sort of radio receiver like like I was, like many of us are as empaths, we're kind of big antenna for emotions. I was, you know, full of it. And I didn't know what was mine and what was anybody else's. And it wasn't until I started my kind of apprenticeship that I started to be able to do the practices of of meditation, of energetic protection, and be able to filter out then those sounds or let them in consciously when I wanted them to come in.

Charlie Kelly Medium 21:03

So what was happening uh during that period was it was kind of you were just getting so overwhelmed that it it sounds like it was reaching a climax point where you just couldn't or had no sense of being able to control it.

SPEAKER_01 21:17

Yeah. I mean, it it it was kind of a perfect storm. Uh it was the my late teens or A levels were very difficult for me time-wise. Obviously, there's lots of emotions going on. I was going through relationship, which was which was complex and and and difficult and amazing all at the same time. I I had a conflict within the the path that I wanted to take and the path my parents wanted me to take from a kind of finishing your A levels kind of point of view. I wanted to work in the theatre. My dad was a chemistry teacher, so he said, I want to you know get yourself a crocker degree first, and then then you know you can go back and to the theater if you still love it. And I went to university completely unprepared for life. I I grew up in the middle of a in a boarding house in the middle of a forest in the middle of the Surrey Hills, and all of a sudden I was thrust into a massive university campus, and I had no no no reins, no control, no filters, and it was just it was just too much. I thought I was having an amazing time. Partying loads, drinking far too much, you know, being in these uh union bar till three, four o'clock in the morning. I thought it was having a wonderful time until I had a breakdown. Till the wheels fell off, until I just completely lost uh I lost my shit completely. And I dropped out of university and I lost the ability to really communicate with people for a good six months.

— Clairvoyance and imagination

Charlie Kelly Medium 22:48

Isn't it interesting how in life sometimes you can go from something that feels like it's you know everything's going well, everything's going good, and in, you know, almost what feels like the thick flick of a switch, you know, your life can just be turned upside down. And you know, I, you know, there's a lot to be said sometimes for just you know being grateful for those moments of perceived not a lot going on, you know. And I've had moments in my life when I had psychosis, it was you know, there was a bit a bit of a build-up, but you know, life generally was kind of going along in well what I would perceive to be at the time an okay way, but you know, looking back now, there was warning signs and there were cracks starting to appear. I just wasn't aware of them, you know. So you were kind of in that that place, and you know, I guess this kind of comes on then to you know what is the really interesting part of this conversation, which is I guess about having these experiences, you know, clairvoyance or or whatever it might be. And you know, one of the big topics here today is is the difference between clairvoyance and imagination. And there is none, you know. I'm I'm well, I'm just I'm led to believe, I do believe in it now. I used to think the imagination was the enemy, and the mind was the enemy and the brain was the enemy. You know, get out the way. I don't want anything to do with you. But actually, it's it's that very thing that this spirit world is working with.

SPEAKER_01 24:21

Yeah, my um my teacher, when he was trying to explain how this process kind of worked, he explained it to me like the our consciousness is the glass in a stained glass window. And the energy of the divine or the energy of spirit is the light that shines through the window, it's filtered through our consciousness, and then cast the shadows are cast on the floor. So if we are mediums or or clairvoyants, everything that they are trying to the information that they're trying to get through, especially kind of a from a from a clairvoyant point of view, or if you're talking to the to spirits or ascended masters, they it kind of gets filtered through your your experiences, your your memories. And until we kind of get to grips with the idea that we may have had more than one lifetime, we may have had several lifetimes or past lives, we just got this lifetime to filter things through. So they'll try and make sense of things by using analogies or information that we have. So when I started to do readings for people, there was a lot of quotes from 80s and 90s TV shows, there still is, to be honest, or cartoons of films and things like that. Because that's my consciousness filter, that's my imagination, that's where my stuff comes from. And I although I did my I started my degree in chemistry, I always loved the theatre, and it would and the theatre was a great tool for me to be able to learn about all kinds of different things. So I would do build stage sets in the style of Salvador Dali, which meant that I could learn all about him and his ideologies and his paintings, and I go, Oh, this is really cool. And then I would be doing readings for people or something, or doing some practice readings and things. And I'd be taken to the landscapes of Salvador Dali, and then they would try to interpret what my sort of uh renewed knowledge was, or my new knowledge of these things. You know, about time not meaning anything, and those kinds of things he had the ideas that he played with. And holograms as well. He he he did some of the first uh took some of the first hologrammatic pictures. So I became fascinated with those for a while. Yeah, so uh we we and again it's it that idea of costing people people said to me in in classes and as well, oh well, I don't know if I'm just imagining this or if it's true.

Charlie Kelly Medium 26:42

And I would say and that's the very million-dollar question in my medium ship development. If I had probably had a pound for every person who listens to this who can resonate with that, yeah, and it's one of my biggest challenges at the moment. It is I even did a reading as recently as yesterday, and you know, stuff was coming to me, it was correct, whatever. Then I got a couple of no's in the reading to say, no, I can't take that. Then I thought, oh, hang on a minute, I'm doubting it. Do you know? Was that from the spirit world or was it from my imagination? But you know, I now know that I have this very subtle habit of mine where I get a bit of evidence from the spirit world, then it goes up into my head to try and place it, and I don't even realise at times I'm doing it. But we we we all struggle with that, that trust element, because also a lot of the time when the spirit world comes through and give us a piece of information, they have to use our thoughts. You know, what what else are they going to use? Because if they were to show you a picture of something you didn't didn't know or be able to recognise, then you're not going to be able to relate to. I'm sure they have the capability to probably put pictures in our mind of things that we you know haven't perhaps seen. Um, um that must be, you know, possible. But yeah, you know, that that's what we struggle with a lot of the time. I think we we expect something to be so much bigger than what it is, and the simplicity of it is, you know, at times what makes it very difficult. But I had to give my two pence worth on that point because it is the million-dollar medium question.

— Trusting what comes through

SPEAKER_01 28:22

It is, and and I I went through a series of workshops with my teacher who was would give different ways of divination, and some of them were were really interesting and some of them quite bizarre. But a couple of examples to to kind of sort of spin through what you were saying. When I first started, I was doing a reading for this lady, and it's very simple. We were just guided to take the hand of the person, hold the hand in between your two hands, and just ask for some guidance for this person. Okay, really, really very simple. But the difficult thing is to trust yourself to give that information. So mine was a kind of like a film moment because I was sitting there thinking, oh, this is just uh I've always had a healthy cynicism about things. I always always have a self uh kind of self-doubt. And there's a balance to be had with that because it's important to kind of keep your ego in check. Because if you go believing everything that comes into your head, then you'll turn into Primadona superstar and you'll be charging 17,000 pounds for a reading, but nobody will believe a word you say. But I got my hands on this lady's, yeah, took this lady's hand in mine, I closed my eyes, and there was a picture that I was taken to, like a Salvador Dani picture of Jesus on the cross, but he was a long way up in the air, and I was looking down upon him. It was one of his 3D pictures that he um he'd painted. And I'd seen a very similar picture to this in an exhibition in Scotland. And what he'd done is he painted two pictures on the wall slightly different to each other, and you had to look down through this apparatus and move it so that the the mirrors underneath it would then push these two images into a single image and it became three-dimensional. And then Jesus on the cross was hanging in in the clouds. It was quite amazing. And this is the image that I saw, but the the figure of of Jesus kind of looked up at me because he and he was crying. I'm not a not a religious person. Religion for me has a lot of thoughts and foibles, mostly around the people that are in charge of it. So I kind of shied away from that part of the world. So I had this dilemma then quickly to go, well, this isn't what I believe in. I'm very much of the the sort of Viking Celtic mysticism, the uh Celtic tree of life, the wheel of the year kind of thing. I've embraced that more. But I I said to this lady, I've said all I can see is this picture of Jesus on the cross, and I described him, and he looked up at me and he said one tear roll down his cheek. And I said, And I have no idea what it means, but does it mean anything to you? And she just said yes and started crying. She didn't tell me what it meant, but it obviously meant something very personal for something very important to her. So then the trust is it is vindicated, that trust in yourself to give that information is vindicated because it meant something to the recipient. And that's a very powerful thing. Now we can get carried away, we can overshare, we can as empaths and sensitives, we also we learn very quickly that we're different. As kids, we learn that we're different to people. So we start to read people very, very well because then we can try and fit in with them very quickly to to fit in with that social norm. I've got, oh yeah, no, yeah, yeah, that'd be grant. I was, you know, I was the a sporty kid, I played lots of football, seemed very normal, you know, from the point of view of not there's anything wrong with not being normal and not playing football, but you know, as a as a typical thing.

Charlie Kelly Medium 32:01

You were camouflaging into yeah, absolutely. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 32:04

Absolutely. But there's there's so much more to these things. There's so much more to that, and you become this chameleon. You could become the kind of which is one of the reasons we as people are sensitive tend not to really get too close to very many people, have lots of very good close friends or groups of friends really in in early life. We kind of flipped between, I don't know if that was your experience, but then we kind of flipped between groups.

Charlie Kelly Medium 32:28

Well, it's very much my experience now, even in life. You know, I don't have a lot of friends, but mainly mainly because I I get overwhelmed if I, you know, lots and lots of a friendship circle. I think I'd get, you know, overwhelmed because you know, I need my alone time, but I there's something in that. There's definitely something in that because even you know, lots of lots of people that I know are very similar to that in this kind of world. But you know, when I have a friend, I really love that person and they are true, you know, are someone that you know with past my barometer of friendship, you know, I could call on that person. Proper friends, I would like to say, you know, not some of the the powers that I'd have in my twenties that I'd just go down the local uh, you know, discotheque with Kieran, so to speak.

SPEAKER_01 33:19

Such a lovely word. You know, where we are in the timeline of the universe when you go to discotheque, you know exactly where no.

Charlie Kelly Medium 33:28

Well, I'm sorry, I'm probably aging myself slightly there, but you know, you are right in what you're saying. We do uh as sensitives, we do blend in, we do, you know, uh we do find as well that we can read people a lot easier. I know that from uh doing something that I now call masking, and I only found out about that on a uh a BBC documentary, which was inside our autistic mind, and it talked about how autistic people go through sort of their everyday existence having to try to really hard analyze, you know, to to nod at the right social cues to pay attention. Even myself, I would do it because you know, all through my life I was told you're not paying attention, and even now, you know, my mum will be talking to me and I I won't be paying attention, you know. So I I've got used to that, and you know, I have been told a lot through my life, yes, you you know, you you need to do this, you need to do that, you need to do this. So, you know, yes, we we do get told that, and then we we start to you know suppress ourselves at times because of that.

— Reading people vs reading energy

SPEAKER_01 34:36

And we've and suppress that connection because you know if we if we're struggling with concentration anyway, because of the the energy in the room, or because of the energy outside, you know, I I remember as a kid being very distracted when I could hear bird song or where I when I could smell the cut grass. And I just wanted to be out in the elements, I just wanted to be out playing in the sun or in the rain or whatever it was. And so you kind of get distracted all the time. But when you factor into that, when the clairvoyant gifts or mediumship mediumistic gifts start to open up, it's doubly distracting when uh you're distracted enough as it is, but then you have voices talking to you or they even hear sounds, and you're not sure if that's come from a real life-bodied person or somebody's spirit or whether you know it's the for me again, it was going back to the the the energy of the the the dryads from the trees and the plants and the fairy fuck. It's very difficult to concentrate. Yeah, I was in a school uh in the middle of the countryside, so I was sure that every now and again I would see fairies flying past the window, kind of wanting me to come out and play and just run around and sit in the grass and stare at the sky sky and the clouds and stuff. And how are you supposed to concentrate when uh with all of those things going on? But um my other just uh my other uh thing about trust, circle back to that. We become so good at reading people that sometimes when we're doing readings, especially tarot style readings and that kind of thing, that we can kind of read the people. And people are so easy to read when you have been doing it all your life, that you can just pick up on even a really small movement from them, a shift of energy to go, well, I'm on the right track here, I'm doing the right thing, going the right way. And I was never really sure about my abilities until I was doing some readings. So I went to visit um some friends down to Glastonbury, and they had a group of people over from Finland who would come over to experience the beautiful beauty of Stonehenge and Glastonbury Abbey and things like that. And anyway, it's kind of got to lunchtime in the day. My friend who was running the course, he said, Oh, would you do some readings this afternoon? People would like some readings. And I just started out doing dragon rune readings for for for people, and I wasn't I didn't think I was very good at it, but I thought, oh well, okay. And I was kind of really putting spot, so I was like, I really didn't want to. I really didn't want to.

Charlie Kelly Medium 37:19

Yes, I didn't feel ready, but almost wanted to kick your friend under the table. Yeah, thanks for that.

SPEAKER_01 37:26

I'm not ready, I'm not ready. But I was finally thrown in, otherwise I wouldn't have done it, you know. And so I kind of went, Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, no problem. And ended up sitting in the library at the one of the abbey rooms, which is above Classroom Abbey, so you can look down straight down through the ruins and everything, really beautiful. And I was doing these readings for for these lovely uh Finnish people. And one of the ladies came in with an interpreter. So the the Finnish, bless them, would regularly say, I'm really sorry, my English isn't very good. So if you would like to speak slowly, I'd really appreciate it. And I would always respond, your uh English is a thousand times better than my Finnish, because I don't speak any of it at all. I don't really understand what's going on. So please don't apologi apologize. But you you you you your English is wonderful, it's fine. And they they were, but this one lady really didn't trust herself. She's kind of a an old school Finnish lady, her English wasn't amazing, but she had an interpreter with her. And what was really interesting in that reading was that for the first 10 minutes I would speak, I would I got the cards, I would say what I thought was there, then there would then I would say that in little segments, and it would be translated. And then the the lady I was doing the reading for, bless her, she she just sat with her arms folded and was staring at me. And she kind of I don't want to sound insulting, but she kind of looked like a a rock troll. She was intense staring, and she was she was a quite a broad-shouldered lady, and she was just staring at me, and she was really intimidating. It was scared of Jesus out of me. So after about 10 minutes of me doing this, I said to the interpreter, Is she all right? Is everything all right? Because she just keeps staring at me. And I just uh have I said something to upset her, or have I said something wrong? Have I pissed her off? So I um she said, Hold on, I I'll just check. So she had a little chat in Finnish. And Finnish is an amazing language, it's kind of like a like a uh it sounds a little bit like the Lord of the Rings Dwarven language. So we got her all down very quiet, growling. So they would kind of chatting away to each other, and then this bless her this uh this lady just burst into this enormous smile and said, What is it? What's going on? She said, Well the she she would like to know she's confused and she's not upset, she's not angry, but she wants to know how she she went upstairs and she had a reading with your friend, and she came straight downstairs into this room, sat down, and you've got the cards out, and you've told her exactly the same things as uh the reading upstairs. And she wants to know how you managed to get all that information from the person upstairs in the 30 seconds it took her to come downstairs and sit down. And I went, I didn't, I'm just reading the cards. I haven't spoken to I haven't spoken to them upstairs at all. And that's when she kind of laughed. And for me, that was amazing because I wasn't reading the person because she didn't understand what I was saying, so she wouldn't react in real time to to that, but there was no body language, no body chemistry then. And it was a great shot in the arm for me to go, well, you know, if if my teacher upstairs, who's had 20 years' experience of doing this stuff, and I'm saying the same things as they are, then the information that's flowing through me, it's not my information, the information that's coming through me, I must be doing that quite well because it's the same information.

— Blindfolded readings and losing visual cues

Charlie Kelly Medium 41:07

It does remind me, Kieran, what you're saying of uh one of the exercises that I do when I'm developing my mediumship and I go away on these intense, I say intense, go away on a seven-night mediumship course. And I have to admit, that's when I do most of my development because I probably if I was to go to circle once a week, I would probably develop not even in a year what I could encircle in that college or whatever course it might be for a week. But when we do experiments where we do blindfolded readings and they get us to do all sorts of them on these mediumship courses, sometimes we have to pick a number and then we have someone who's got the corresponding number, but they do so many things to take that part of the reading, which is the bit I struggle with the most, which is the person in front of me, you know, how they're reacting. Because I've I've been brought up my whole life as well to be super sensitive to the person in front of me, how are they reacting, and whatever. One of the big things I've really had to work on with my own mediumship is not letting a facial expression or something put me off because I can I can read in somebody, they don't even need to say no to a piece of my evidence. I can feel it in their energy before the words have even come out of their mouth. So when I do those experiments with blindfolds or whatever it might be, I always tend to give far better readings. So much so that I was actually joking with one of my teachers a few weeks ago saying I might just be the blindfolded medium because I seem to give far better readings when I'm when I've lost one of my main um senses. It's quite funny as well, because I've started to come to the conclusion with our eyes that they actually fool us more in life than they do allow us to see, really. And it's funny because it's only since I've started uh needing to wear glasses in the last three years and my eyes are starting to fail me. I'm starting to wonder what else they're not allowing me to see.

— Remote readings and the Bitcoin moment

SPEAKER_01 43:05

Yeah, I'm just reminded of uh of the the the Star Wars thing. Yeah, I'll be one says the same thing to Luke Skywalker when he's training, your eyes will deceive you. Don't trust them. But it is, I I far prefer still to this day to do readings for people remotely and not face to face. I prefer to do them in my time so that I'm just focusing on the energy of the reading rather than being distracted by the person sitting opposite, even if they're on a video call. I get I I'm far happier doing that. That said, I you know I've I've done laser readings where I do half hour, half-hour readings for people, and I do uh sort of sit 15-16 readings in a day. And you do get to the point. Well, I I got to the point every time I've done that where my energy system is so overwhelmed with being connected, being in tune, that I I kind of forget who's there, who's opposite. You know, it could be the same person from two hours ago, it could be a different person. And I did have one of those when and I I do when I'm doing one to one readings, when I'm actually face to face with somebody, I'll say to them, if you have a question, then tell me the question, or or ask the questions, the cards, as you're shuffling the cards. If you want to share with me what that question is, that's fine. If you want to keep it a secret to see if I'm any good or not, that's fine too. Because that's my way of going, uh i i if you if you ask me the question, then I know something about you. If you you know, if you respond to me talking about things, then I'll know which way to go, which way to point. And I did have one guy who came in and sat down and he didn't move. It was quite a remarkable show of self-control and will, because I said to him, look, you you can ask me a question, I'll ask you a question or ask the cards a question, I'll give you my answer. If you want to keep it a secret, that's fine. If you want to talk to me about it as we go through, that's fine. I said, but if you just want to sit there and see if I'm any good or not, that's fine. And he did not move for 15 minutes. And for some reason, as I was going through, because obviously, you know, we're so used to reading people that even if you you just you just want a little confirmation, all you want is a little bit of a little nod or a smile, or like you said, with the energy to shift a little bit so that you can feel that you're on the right track. And this guy was not giving anything away. It was it was amazing. I kind of respected it. It upset me, it pissed me off a bit, but I kind of respected it. But for some reason, one of the analogies that I was using, I was given was uh uh I was talking about something, him searching for something, and I said it's like mining Bitcoin. I said, you know, it's gonna take a lot of energy, a lot of power, a lot of time, but you just gotta keep going and keep going and keep going. And I could you not when I said the word Bitcoin, his eyebrow twitched just a tiny bit.

Charlie Kelly Medium 46:00

And I just That was all you needed, you were away.

SPEAKER_01 46:05

And I did, but my energy system kind of relaxed to go, okay, I'm on the right, I'm on the right track with what I'm talking about. Do we finish the reading? And he kind of and I kind of I stopped it. I was doing the recording for him, I stopped the recording, finished the reading, and I was like, dude, I knew that I know that I said you didn't have to share anything, but you were like a statue, and he kind of laughed, and he went, Yeah, well, you know, you said I I need I could check if you're any good or not. And I said, But I knew that I had you and I saw your eyebrow twitch when I said Bitcoin. I said, Why was that? What happened? Because it became kind of about the wills, really. And he said, Well, that's my job. I'm a I'm a I'm a computer engineer and I mine Bitcoin.

Charlie Kelly Medium 46:47

That's my spirit world know what they're doing, they know what they're doing.

SPEAKER_01 46:55

It was so funny. It was also bad. I mean, you you regularly have the other readings that people just nod along and they give you information, and I try and stop people doing that a little bit too much because I think it can overshare.

— Surrender, evidence and trusting spirit

Charlie Kelly Medium 47:05

Well, we call that feeding the medium, we call that feeding the medium, and I I don't like that when someone gives me information because then it makes it very difficult for me to not, you know, do that thing I mentioned earlier on where it goes up in my head. I have enough problems about them telling me anything during that at times, let alone otherwise. But you make a you know a valid point there as well about trusting, you know, the interpretation, you know, the amount of times the spirit world have given me bits of evidence, and then I've then you know put my own slant on it rather than just trusting. And nothing actually is a better example than that. Yesterday I had another medium give me a reading. She was doing a training sort of reading because it's nice to do practice with other mediums, you know, we're very accommodating when we practice with one another, and she had the strongest piece of evidence ever. She actually, because my dad came through, who's only recently passed away, and he came through with a message of a tree. And yesterday, my mum, brother, and I we went out and bought a tree. But what her attention actually drew her to was a cherry blossom tree that was on the cup next to her. She didn't say that, even though her attention was drawn to the cherry blossom. Had she said the cherry blossom, she that would have been the strongest evidence she could have ever given gave. But she, you know, didn't trust her own interpretation in that moment. You know, she sort of took it and simplified it, didn't she? Which is what we sometimes do as you know, mediums as well. But it's about goes back to trusting yourself, it goes back to trusting what it is that you've got. And you know, I I trust the spirit world far much more than I trust, you know, the human world. They're far much more intelligent. And I've and it you have to get to that place where you know they talk about surrender, you know, true surrender. And it it, you know, even at times I thought I'm surrendering, but realized no, I haven't surrendered yet. I'm still yet to surrender. And it's it is a journey, these things, but you know, until you fully, you know, surrender to the power with whatever it is you're trying to develop, you're never going to reach your full potential. And you know, I think it also kind of takes us on to as well, you know, when you're on your journey and you're learning from whatever it might be, a teacher, you know, don't surrender your you know power to that person and think that they know absolutely everything there is to know. Take what resonates and leave the rest. Because I know in my you know development I was very hard on myself at times thinking I need to, you know, be at this particular standard of what this person says, and I have to do things this way. And that, you know, things like that still my progress for a very long time because then I would think, oh, well, you know, I'm just not meant to do this. I can't acquire that particular skill or whatever it might be, and then that puts me backwards. These days I take what resonates with me and I put the rest in my very nice, very tidy, very economical recycling bin, Kieran. I do recycle it though, because I wouldn't just chuck a thought to an idea away. I would recycle that.

— Teachers, power and taking what resonates

SPEAKER_01 50:33

Absolutely, and and I completely agree with you. I've got a lovely story about that just quickly. So when I was going through with my teacher, as I said, he did this series of evenings, different, different readings, different styles, different things. One was with sand, which was grand, we had tarot cards, we had pictures, this just holding hands, but one of them was aura reading, we're just doing an aura reading for somebody, and it was really early on in my uh my my path. And so everyone got split up into to pairs. There was an odd number, so he was like, right, you're with me. And he was looking at everybody else and he was doing my aura drawing kind of thing. And he because he'd been doing it for such a long time, he wasn't really paying a lot of attention, he was just colouring it like a like colouring in a colouring inbook, really. Obviously, his clever voice is is spot on, he knows what he's doing. And he just handed me this thing, which was my a little person with with the different colours, and then we talked through the things. And it was very nonchalant kind of it wasn't blase per se, but it was you know, it was there didn't seem to be a lot of effort going in. There was because there's that years of experience. So obviously, we I didn't I didn't see the experience, which is really important. So when it came to me to, you know, he's a right your turn, and he was just he said, I'm just gonna walk around and see other people in the group, you just have to kind of follow me around. So I was trying to try to do this thing. Now his drawing was of a sort of two-dimensional person, like a like a cardboard cutout facing. So I drew one of those and I drew some of the colours and things like that, and I was like, I'm really not sure about this. But then I was really strongly drawn to draw a profile of somebody with this red line going from kind of the heart backwards. Okay. So I I hadn't seen an aura reading before or drawing really. I kind of knew what they were, knew what the aura was, but hadn't, you know, the different parts of it that we tune into so we came then came to the interpretation of things, and I was talking about the different interpretations of the slide saw and things like that. And he got near the end, and he sort of grabbed this pick pick picture out of my hand. He went, um, what's this? What's this nonsense? What's the this thing? What's this profile thing with this red line? I went, Well, I don't know, I just I saw it and I drew it. And I don't know what it means, but I saw it and I drew it. And he said, Well, it's just it's not it's not how you do it. It just you know, ignore that. And I didn't see him for a couple of weeks, and I was really upset by that because I just thought, well I was just you know doing what I was told kind of thing. And when I did see him, he said, Oh, I gotta uh he said I I I have to tell you that when when uh when everyone had gone home, he said Spirit told me that that drawing was valid, and this red line that goes from the heart center is the timeline, the cord that kind of connects us back through our past lives and this time cord. And he said, And I hadn't experienced something like that before and I didn't know what it was, but I had to ask Spirit. So that was again another uh it's always I knew you was gonna say it was an etheric cord.

Charlie Kelly Medium 53:39

Yeah, I had a feeling you was gonna say that. All my psychic skills, all I was trusting myself there. I was coming up, come on, it's an etheric cord.

SPEAKER_01 53:48

Yeah, but I didn't I didn't know what that was, and he hadn't experienced it before, so you know it was it was interesting that I kind of drew this, and then I got told off, and then he got told off by spirit because actually that's a thing, but you just haven't seen it before.

Charlie Kelly Medium 54:01

Yeah, how interesting. So, you know, our darling lovely listener listening to this, you know, if you want someone to take away, you know, one thing today from this conversation, what what would you hope that is, Kieran?

— Kieron’s final advice for the listener

SPEAKER_01 54:23

I would take that that that things are very difficult on the spiritual path. And for us now, those of us that have experience, we used to have a long apprenticeship, but we used to have lots of time to be able to get things wrong, learn things and move on and learn new experiences. And for those of you that are coming into this stuff now, that are learning this stuff now, you don't get the same amount of time. Everything's being fast-trapped because spirit and the the the the the complex complexities of of humanity's ascension into a different form of consciousness is that everything's being compressed. So you're not being given the same opportunity to really learn. You have to learn on the job, which means you have to trust yourself more, not less. You have to trust the process more, not less. You know, it it it's it's it's like going from basic training and then being chucked on the front line. And you know, it is a survival thing. So trust yourself, do the simple things when you're doing your processes, trust those, trust the grounding, the protection, the the opening up, the symbolism that you use, cleansing and clearing your energy system regularly. And when things happen when you you you you you believe that something has come forward, it's that balancing. You were always walking a tightrope between the message and our ego and just try to keep those two things in balance, keep yourself in that balance and and and the discernment of of what to share and when to share it. And uh just trust trust yourself.

Charlie Kelly Medium 56:10

Really? I think that's very beautiful advice, Kieran. And I thank you for coming on and sharing this with me and all the the lovely listeners. I think it's been a very interesting conversation, and I think what I've taken take.

SPEAKER_01 56:28

So yeah, I've really enjoyed it. Thank you for the opportunity to be able to come and uh come and talk about things. I really appreciate it.

Charlie Kelly Medium 56:35

Oh, Eddie Tut, it's lovely to have you on. Thank you. Well, hopefully this conversation has got you thinking about all of your quirks that you might have and perhaps start to look at them differently. Things that people might have told you were weird about you once upon a time in your life, and now quite potentially your absolute superpower. And it's very true, even uh when I was little, a lot of my sensitivity in school, you know, was something I learned to shut down because um I didn't want to be seen as one thing or another, and you sort of get into those habits as children, so it definitely got me thinking. So until next time, it's lovely to have you here as it always is. Goodbye.