What If Your Sensitivity… Is How Angels Speak to You? (Part 1) — With Dr. Marcia Martin

What if the very thing you’ve spent your life trying to suppress… is actually the way Spirit has been trying to communicate with you?

In this deeply personal and unexpectedly emotional conversation, Jason sits down with Dr. Marcia Martin — heart healer, angel communicator, spiritual counsellor, teacher, and founder of The Heart Healing Foundation.

Together, they explore sensitivity, people-pleasing, intuition, childhood conditioning, angel communication, mediumship, and the quiet inner guidance many of us dismiss as “just our thoughts.”

Marcia shares her journey from a highly sensitive child who felt deeply misunderstood, through years of separating spirituality from “real life,” to eventually rediscovering the guidance she believes had always been there.

This episode becomes far more than a conversation about angels.

It’s about:

•  learning to trust yourself 
•  understanding the difference between fear and guidance 
•  why spirituality was never meant to be separate from everyday life 
•  and how healing the heart may reopen our connection to something greater 

Jason also opens up candidly about his own struggles with expectation in mediumship, overthinking, ADHD, trying too hard to connect, and the fear of “not being good enough” spiritually.

One of the most powerful moments comes when Marcia explains that angelic communication rarely arrives as a booming external voice — but often through loving thoughts, nudges, intuition, feelings, signs, synchronicities, and moments of quiet inner knowing.

The episode also includes a spontaneous heart-centred angel communication exercise that became so powerful it naturally evolved into Part 2 of this special two-part experience.

If you’ve ever questioned your intuition…
If you’ve ever felt “too sensitive”…
Or if you’ve ever wondered whether Spirit may already be speaking to you…

This conversation may change the way you see yourself.

Gentle note

This episode includes discussions around emotional pain, childhood wounds, self-worth struggles, spiritual crisis, and healing journeys. Please listen gently and take what resonates.

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Transcript

— Intro & opening reflections

Charlie Kelly Medium 0:14

Hello to you, my lovely listener. It's me, Jason Paul, and it's as lovely as it ever is to have you here on The Soul Sig, the place for the curious. Now, today we are discussing sensitivity. Because probably anyone listening to this, you are a sensitive person, and this is where we belong. And I've got one, another one of my two-part specials, where in the first part, we're going to be talking to Dr. Marcia Martin, and we're going to be discussing the very topic of sensitivity. Dr. Martin's uh story started very much as a deeply sensitive child who felt different. She felt misunderstood and often responsible for the emotions in the room. So we explore how sensitivity can really turn into people pleasing when you don't understand your own energy. And I know that I've got a lot of people-pleasing tendencies in me, and um, especially so in my 20s, you know, I would be very much the people pleaser, and even now I am, you know, I'm a very sensitive person. So we discussed that, and um, Marcia is also an expert in angels, so she's gonna be talking to that to us about that. In the part two, she's gonna be leading us into a guided meditation to connect with angels through one's heart. And I think a big um theme in this episode is the split between spiritual life and real life, and how Marcia learned that spirituality is meant to be practical, not separate. Now I can relate to that. I have been on um a good few mediumship courses recently, and it's made me really question what do I get from them? Um, I think a big part of it is I feel like I live a spiritual life and I'm very present, I'm very in the moment, I feel very connected when I'm in those kind of environments. And then you throw me back into the absolute madness of my business and my day job and coming back. Even the soul sink, you know, the schedule's bloody crazy, um, my darling listener. Um, you know, and then I quit quite quickly can form out of feeling spiritual, and it's got me asking the very question: what does it mean for oneself to be spiritualised? Um, letters on a postcard, please. And it's a question that I'm exploring a lot at the moment because I know to be the best medium that I want to be and to have the best connection, to be the best vessel for the spirit world. I need to be the best channel that I can possibly be. Even so that I've ordered a fistorus recently just because I want to expand my vocabulary because I'm so rubbished at reading books. Um, I seem to learn from life experience, the uh school, the voter part not Steven, and um speaking to people. I do need to read more, I do need to read soul sink. But without further ado, this is my two-part special with Dr. Marcia Martin, the expert in angels. Enjoy.

— Welcoming Dr. Marcia Martin

Charlie Kelly Medium 3:29

So, Dr. Marcia Martin, a big warm welcome onto the SoulSync Podcast.

SPEAKER_02 3:35

Thank you so much. I'm excited to be here.

Charlie Kelly Medium 3:39

Well, I'm very excited to have you on, I must say. So, I when I was reading through your notes earlier on this afternoon, and I read through them before as well, I could tell we're gonna have an interesting conversation today. Firstly, because you know, a lot of what you're interested in, I'm interested in. So that's gonna breed for a good conversation. So, first of all, obviously you won't have heard my little intro, but you are a heart healer, a spiritual empowerment counsellor, a metaphysical minister, a best-selling author, a public speaker, a clear audience angel communicator. There's a lot there. Tell us a bit about you. Let's go back in time.

SPEAKER_02 4:23

Okay, so let's begin at the beginning when I used to spend so much time playing in the woods, usually by myself, but talking with I believed just nothing. Only to realize as I am an adult that I was really communicating with the nature and animal spirits that were there around me and had just having a blast. But at the same time, it was a life that was a little bit very well, not a little bit, very much introverted and very much feeling like I don't know where I fit or who I am supposed to be.

— Growing up highly sensitive & misunderstood

SPEAKER_02 5:10

And as an empathic being, that meant becoming a chameleon. I could read the room. So if I went into the room, I didn't have the emotional or intellectual capacity to understand that Jason may already be sad, and I just happened to walk in. I would walk into the room and say, huh, Jason is sad, and I'm in the room. I must have caused his sadness. So it meant that I needed to withdraw, but also become an extreme people pleaser because I felt that I was always the problem. And so it was a tough little go there to figure out who I was supposed to be. And even though I had this beautiful source of communication, I didn't recognize it for what it was.

Charlie Kelly Medium 6:09

So it was just something to talk to and play games with, and you described that you, you know, were very sensitive ch child. You are obviously growing up, you know, thinking that you caused that and then becoming a people pleaser. What were your parents like? What was your, you know, were you hated for as a very sensitive child? How did your parents uh bring you up?

SPEAKER_02 6:35

I don't think they understood. I think they were just as lost and confused as I was. We did not have good communication, we didn't understand each other, and there was just a separation. I just never felt that I was good enough or that I had done anything noteworthy or deserving of any kind of praise, and they were distant.

Charlie Kelly Medium 7:17

Take us more through some of your story.

SPEAKER_02 7:21

Alrighty. So childhood was people pleasing, bullying, hiding, escaping, trying to do to do anything where I could be away from the my home, but I just ended up being in other situations where I was expected to be sort of the servant in the room because that became the role that I was most comfortable with. If I could serve you, then you may not find me deficient or criticize me, or you may allow me to stay around. Whereas otherwise, I'm not sure if you want me. I'm not sure if I have a place or if I've earned a place. So I spent a lot of time kind of running to places where I could give services or or help out as a way to be accepted. But I remember in high school, I really, really, really loved anything that was part of that paranormal community. But I was too afraid to admit that to anyone. So secretly, I was reading Linda Goodman's Love Signs, and Creskin had a magic kit out with ESP, and Yuri Geller was bending spoons, and that was just so fascinating to me. But it was odd. Again, I was the weird one that wanted these kinds of things, and I was looking at astrology and trying to figure out what is going to be my way into this world. But then I went to college and I really wanted to be normal because you know, gosh, now you're sharing a room with other people. So I couldn't hide as well and pursue my little hobbies. So I just kind of shoved all that stuff away, got a teaching job, then ended up after a couple of years back full-time for a master's program. And it was here that that desire got reawakened. There was one class and one professor that was teaching consciousness, the evolution of consciousness. And so suddenly I had somebody that believed as I did. And this was a relatively conservative school. So here we go. I've got one older person, someone older than I am, that believes as I do, that says that there's more to the world that we can see. And I joined this meditation group and I started taking all of these classes.

Charlie Kelly Medium 10:25

What did you study? What was you studying at the university?

SPEAKER_02 10:28

At the university?

— People-pleasing, bullying & hiding spirituality

Charlie Kelly Medium 10:37

Oh, and it was a professor who came in when you were doing that psychology degree who talked about expanded consciousness.

SPEAKER_02 10:46

One professor in one class was different from my very straight-laced education about psychology.

Charlie Kelly Medium 10:55

Was he quite as you know, when he came into the university, did he seem a bit different? He's, you know, different to maybe the mainstream view at the time. What was his oh yes?

SPEAKER_02 11:08

He stood out like a sore thumb.

Charlie Kelly Medium 11:11

Oh, I see. That makes sense. Yes, you know, the hair is kind of crazy, and he's older and less wearing his velvet jacket, wolf suede jacket coming in. I can imagine it now. What university did you go to then?

SPEAKER_02 11:27

Boston College, which is a very conservative school.

Charlie Kelly Medium 11:31

Oh, so I I know Boston very well because I my uncle lives there, he went out there, and then when I I used to be cabin crew for Virgin Atlantic many, many moons ago. I've looked back at those days so fondly. And Boston was always one destination that I used to really like going to, actually. It was one of my favorites, mainly because there was a big Macy's, but that's a really bad reason for wanting to go to a city. That's not a good reason, but I was young. I was young, wanted to shop. Okay, so the professor starts opening up your eyes, and I'm guessing a few dots were connecting for you.

SPEAKER_02 12:09

So many dots were connecting, but I still was living these this dual life. That was my fun life, but then I needed the practical life. I needed a life where I could pay my bills. So during my master's program, where I was working for the school, I could explore all of this. But when that program ended, then I was kind of like, hmm. Well, now I need to get a real job. Back to reality, all this fun stuff I have to leave behind.

Charlie Kelly Medium 12:49

So you know, just to kind of bring the audience along on this story with us. So you, you know, qualified, you you left university, time to get a proper job, time to, you know, I need to start paying the bills. We can all relate to that. And you then went to become a doctor. Was was was that the no teacher. Teacher, okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:12

A teacher, yeah. So go to teaching, and I'm thinking, gotta leave all that stuff behind. That's just fun and games. It has no practical application in the real world. And so the further I moved from that, the worst my life became, the more despondent, the more depressed, the more, the more destroyed I felt inside because I was cutting myself off from this source of life that I had finally opened to. And there was only one time in that period before I finally got so desperate that I was willing to crawl back and unpack this in a new way. There was one time when I was teaching and I was at a pretty low point, feeling very much like a failure, just I'll take

— Discovering consciousness & spirituality at university

SPEAKER_02 14:20

any job kind of mentality. And they hired me to teach third graders, these are children who would be eight, uh, to help them pass the end of grade test. And here in the States, an end-of-grade test is supposed to be a standardized test that's given to all children of a certain grade to ensure that the school is doing adequate teaching to make sure that every child is getting a good quality education.

Charlie Kelly Medium 14:53

Is that where a child gets held back a year if they don't pass it?

SPEAKER_02 14:57

Yes, it can be the test, or it can just be poor performance throughout the year.

Charlie Kelly Medium 15:03

Oh, I wondered how the American system worked.

SPEAKER_02 15:06

Not well.

Charlie Kelly Medium 15:08

No, well, I guess it's federal, you know, the federal setting the test to because there's so many people in America. How do you roll out an education system you don't to that to that many states?

SPEAKER_02 15:21

And what happens is then basically education becomes teaching to the test, which is not teaching a child how to learn. So I'm not a big fan of it, but hey, the guy I I agree with that.

Charlie Kelly Medium 15:36

I don't think but then I guess I I I don't agree with that because I'm not academic and I didn't have a great time at school because it was all about exams, and that's just not how my my brain works. Sit me in an exam room, and I'm I'm I'm an ABC XYZ thinker. I don't, you know, I don't I can jump quickly, but give me something analytical. And my God. I went to a horrible school though, Marcia. Horrible school. It was like one of the worst schools ever. It was uh unsafe at times. So it was, it was in it was in London. I didn't go to a very nice school, it was an all-boys' school, it was very rough and horrible. And I just left school as soon as I could at 16. I was like, get me out, get me out. I've had to earn money. So yeah, that's interesting. So with the kind of but what the point I was coming to, this is the problem now. We go down rabbit holes on this show. How else would you do it if it wasn't to sit tests? What how else would you roll the system out? This is the problem with education.

SPEAKER_02 16:34

Well, and that is the problem, but I want to show you how the angels solved the problem for these particular children because it's so important to me that everyone understand that spirituality is exceedingly practical. I spent all of that time living two different lives. I had my spirituality and I had my reality. And because I was dividing them, I didn't get the benefit of spirituality in my reality, and I became horribly depressed. So I had these kids, and they have been identified as likely to fail their end of grade test in reading and math. And so I decided the way that I was going to support these kids is to make it easy for them to get it right. And that would sort of start the ball rolling, and they would be really excited about learning. And so, first day I'm there, and we're in a little tiny space. First day I'm there, I'm teaching this math lesson that I think is so simple that my dog could get the answers right. And yet I teach the lessons, hand them out a worksheet to make sure everybody knew what I was teaching, and go to my desk, and gosh, two seconds go by, and here comes a little guy up to my desk. But he doesn't look confident. His head is hanging down, he's got a little pencil stub in his hand, and I say, Hey, how do you think you did?

SPEAKER_01 18:22

And he says, Head down, I already know I failed.

SPEAKER_02 18:29

And I my jaw dropped to the floor, and right then I said, Okay, sorry, only one of us can be a

— Separating “real life” from spirituality

SPEAKER_02 18:40

failure in this room at a time, and I've already taken that space. I didn't say this to him, but my head I was saying, oh no, I I can't fail again. I can't let this child believe they're a failure. What can I do? That question opened me up to this guidance that I had shut down for all this time. And suddenly I'm recognizing, oh, he just needs to be supported toward a better ending. He doesn't believe in himself, he doesn't even know whether he knows the material, he hasn't tried. So my guidance says, start over. I get a big eraser, erase all of the work on his paper, which it was abysmal. I mean, he just made up stuff to get up, to put on the thing to be done. So I erase it all and look at him and say, you know, I think we need to do this together. Come on, I want to show you. You are you you were so close to getting all of this right, but let's do it together because I know you can do this. This little guy is like, yeah, okay, you're crazy. I can't do this. So we start doing these easy math problems together. And I'm coaching and coaching and poking and prodding until he gets the right answer again and again and again and again. Get to the last one. I'm thinking, okay, I've got to make sure he's got the concept. He's got to do this one on his own. So the guidance is continuing. They're saying, don't send him back to his seat without him recognizing how much he has achieved in this short period of time. So I get a big colorful marker and I put C's on every answer for correct. Because usually here in the States, when you get it wrong, you get a red X on your thing. So I got a colorful marker and everything was correct. And he starts standing up a little taller. And I'm like, I said, look at this. Look how smart you are. Look at all of these that you have gotten correct. He's like, he said, now you need to go back to your seat and do this one on your own. And I remember as he walked back, I had sworn off God and any kind of interaction. But I remember saying to God, please let him get this answer right. And then you won't have to ever do anything for me again. If you can just let him get the right answer, I will feel so much better. It will make my day.

Charlie Kelly Medium 21:40

So that so I was just gonna say, so that was almost like your the unlocking again of your, you know, intuition, you know, and it sounds like that was pivotal. I wanna some because there's so much I want to talk to you about on this. Episode today, because there's there's so much here in these show notes that I've got besides me. So how did you on a whistle stop two go from teacher to doctor? And then I want to come on to some of the specific things about the angel heart healing technique because this sounds very interesting.

SPEAKER_02 22:23

Okay, so my little guy came back, got his paper, got that answer correct, and so I put a huge hundred on his paper. And he says very loudly, I got a hundred. The whole rest of the room says, Hey, he got a hundred. And then they say, I want a hundred. And that opened them to that ability to open to guidance. That unfortunately, though, I gotta say, I opened them and closed myself. So I would allow myself to receive guidance for them, not recognizing

— The classroom story that reopened angelic guidance

SPEAKER_02 23:10

what I was doing. But when it came to my own life, I still wanted this big divide. I still wanted, I need that paycheck. Don't bother me with this spiritual stuff. Let me stay in my reality. Oh, these students aren't learning. Help. What can I do in order to help them understand? I had no conscious awareness of what I was doing. It was just automatic. Oh, they need help? Okay, give me guidance. Oh, I need to pay a bill. Well, let me look at my check, paycheck, and see whether it's enough. There was just this complete disconnect that continued until life was a disaster on every side. And then it wasn't until I was crawling over glass that I was ready to reopen and restudy, recommit. And that was another journey, long journey.

Charlie Kelly Medium 24:12

Now I want to ask you about that.

SPEAKER_02 24:15

Well, that was a journey that was the glass. What was the glass? Oh, just life had become so painful. There was no money left, nothing was working, everything was just frustration and confusion. And I would talk with the angels one minute and then shut them out the next. And I just felt so incapable of doing anything that was meaningful or could move myself forward.

Charlie Kelly Medium 24:46

And it just pretty interesting.

SPEAKER_02 24:49

It was suddenly, you know, just intolerable. And at that point, I was ready to do the hard work of recognizing, oh, I'm the common denominator. I'm the one that has been in all these situations. Maybe I need to do something different than what I've been doing.

Charlie Kelly Medium 25:10

So you was again people pleasing. You were listening to the angels for other people, but shutting them out for yourself. Yes. Which I guess is inherent to your childhood.

SPEAKER_02 25:21

Well, I was the not good enough one, so I couldn't really receive guidance for me. But all these other people that were dependent on me making their lives better, I needed help for them. So I could accept it for them. But oh no, you don't deserve it. You're bad. God doesn't love you. You haven't earned it. You made a mistake 100 years ago. I had every excuse possible.

Charlie Kelly Medium 25:52

Isn't it funny? But what happens in our childhood? It just shapes us for you know our adult life. And do you know what? I was watching something. What was it I was watching the other day? Because this makes a valid point. Oh, it's a program on the Gaia Network, and it talks about what is the series called? It's going to annoy me now because I want to mention what it is. I can't remember, I'll have to put it in the show notes afterwards. But it basically talks about children and how we get beliefs. And our beliefs control our actions, they control our thoughts, and our beliefs start getting learned in childhood, you know, like getting to know what's right or wrong, the mask we have to put on to live by this set of standards and whatever. And and those years do form your adult life. And I think it says a lot about people, if you've got a child, I guess the well, I say that as someone without a child, but I I guess what you're trying to do is instill in children, you know, to come to their own decisions and follow their own feelings. But that's very hard in the world that we live in now.

SPEAKER_02 26:55

It is. So the most important thing you can do for your child, regardless of who they are, where they are, what they may be doing, is let them know that they are going to be loved unconditionally for who they are.

SPEAKER_03 27:10

I agree.

SPEAKER_02 27:11

You can disagree with their actions, you can disagree with their choices, but we need to model the divine as opposed to a legal system or a belief system from any other organization. So the divine will say that they love and accept you unconditionally. This is how we must relate to our children. The divine will also say your behavior may open you up to specific consequences. They will not punish you. Your choices may bring to you unpleasant or unwanted experiences. But you, the being, will always be loved and accepted. If we can give our children the understanding that they are loved and accepted, they become free to explore, they become free to expand their awareness and make mistakes and grow. So they become stronger individuals who are more capable as they become adults and less frightened by everything life likes to share with you.

Charlie Kelly Medium 28:29

Yeah, I I totally agree with everything you were saying. So you have had obviously angels talking to you for some time. How does one know if it's an angel talking to them? How do you how do you know is there a i I'm trying to work out have I ever had an angel talk to me?

SPEAKER_02 28:48

Would I I'm sure you have. Well, they are communicating with you in some way. That's the thing that's very important to remember is the energetic realm doesn't pick and choose, it is a blanket policy of acceptance. So everyone is getting messages, support, guidance, and whatever is needed. It is up to us to recognize how we can best communicate with this incredible support and use it for our benefit. So it could be hearing, but Claire Audience is not generally a voice outside of your head. It will sound like your own voice. However, it will be loving, kind, uplifting, inspiring, motivating, and accurate. It will not be destructive, condemning, or critical.

Charlie Kelly Medium 29:48

Do you know what you make? I'm gonna just uh interject on that point because I think you just said something quite interesting there. I think a lot of people, and and I fought this for a while, is an angel communicating with me is a voice not my own, that I imagine is very godly and angelic. Maybe, you know, harps in the background coming down on a sort of backing track. You know, that's what I would imagine. So I I sort of thinking to myself, I haven't heard from an angel, but you say something which recently I've started becoming much more aware of, is I've been looking at the mind like an enemy, you know, shut the mind down, I've got to shut the mind down, my own thoughts down, can't have anything in my own thoughts. Actually, what that's how the spirit world communicates to us is through our thoughts, but it's identifying the difference between your own thoughts and and a lot of people aren't aware of that. You know, I've only just recently bec had to really start making the distinction between my thoughts and my own internal ego voice versus fresh kind of downloads, you I think you described them as, and understanding that to trust that because that you know is from a higher source.

SPEAKER_02 31:24

In other words, uh begin your communication, and let's explore also all of the ways they can communicate with you because everyone has at least

— Childhood beliefs & feeling “not good enough”

SPEAKER_02 31:35

one active communication link. Nobody comes to this world and is cut off. But what we can do with that communication link is make it smaller. We come in, it's wide open. As the world gets more interesting and we become more aware, that link starts to get smaller so that we can have experiences and choose to open the link. If it just stayed open, it would be so much like being a puppet. Hey, turn right so that you don't make a mistake or go in the wrong direction. We need the free will choice of making mistakes and going in the wrong direction because that gives us a rich experience that we can use to explore and grow even further. So everybody has this wide open open communication that begins to get smaller as we need to interact more with the world for our own growth and experience. But then we can choose to open it back up. So it can be hearing, it can be seeing, and by seeing, it doesn't again, it is not. Oh, I see this being that nobody else can see. It is, it could be lights, it could be flashes, it could just be pointing you to a bulletin board, a billboard, a license plate, feathers, coins. It can be any kind of way in which they use your visual sense to be make you aware of something that you need to know. It can also be knowing, just that sense of, I feel like I need to do this. You know, may not get any verbal communication, you may not see anything to support that. You just sense that you need to be in that particular place. One of those is going to be be active in everyone. And as you begin opening up your dominant sense, all of the others will become more active because this channel is more active, and that means it's easier for you to communicate. So you'll have your one main source that you've chosen before birth, and then you'll have those other ones that become stronger and more comfortable for your you to use as you get more as you practice more, yes.

Charlie Kelly Medium 34:19

Practice is the perfect word, yeah. Because I guess I I think you make, and I really like the way you kind of describe that there, because I think when we are born, when we are born straight away, we are connected. We are connected. Then what happens is, you know, around I guess, you know, seven years, eight years old, we start disconnecting more and more and more because of the ego structure that starts developing, all of the, you know, you must do this and whatever. But you make an interesting point that we are all connected via one way. But you know, if we choose to want to start really working with our intuition and like anything, you know, if you're gonna work out at the gym, you've got to work out your muscle, it's like you've got to practice. And I'm learning that, you know. I'm trying to work out for myself, Marcia, to be quite frank with you, about the best way to do it. Because my I am bloody awful when it comes to meditation. I've got ADHD brain, and meditation and sitting quietly are probably two things that don't come naturally to me. So I've been trying to do that myself and feel more connected. I'm much more, I feel like my problem is now when I do a reading for someone because I'm trying to develop my mediumship. You know, if I'm sitting here at home, I can listen because there's no expectation. Soon as expectation comes in, then I've got to do a reading, and someone's sitting in front of me, ego structure starts saying, Oh, you know, yes, you need to get yeses, you need to make sure it's right. You need to try really hard. I'm sitting there trying to connect. Oh, come on, something come to me, please. You know, it doesn't happen.

SPEAKER_02 36:02

Because that's causing that is forcing you to close the door. The connection opens and stays open when you are relaxed and when you are trusting. So let's go back to that statement earlier: no blind trust. Trust because you know. So I would begin building your faith or your trust, whatever you want to call

— How angels actually communicate with us

SPEAKER_02 36:25

it, with silly little requests where you are working in conjunction with the spiritual world, but it doesn't matter whether or not you get the message clearly. So let's understand that they do not speak a particular language. The spiritual community that these angelic helpers speak energy. So they are going to communicate with you through energy. You can translate it into visual, into words, into feelings, but you've got to be open in order to get and and open and a certain degree of trusting in order to not let the ego be the interpreter for you. So one of a easy and absolutely no value attached to a thing is if you're driving somewhere, getting the parking spot that you desire, or a parking spot in a place that may be difficult for you to find parking, or getting yourself to sync up with lights so that you can just keep driving through and you don't have to stop at any red lights, or something inconsequential like that. Once you get yourself in that rhythm of it is safe for me to expect good things, you can then go to bigger asks. The other way to do it is to be desperate, like I was do, I was sitting in that classroom. Please let this child get this right. I need them to win more than I do than anything.

Charlie Kelly Medium 38:16

So what I would do then, right? So you know, because I'm gonna I'm gonna break this down to basics now, because why not? So I want to uh send out, or you know, I want to do this myself. I want to communicate with my spiritual ambassadors, shall we call them that? I love that. Oh, oh, good. Well, I'm glad you do. I just thought of that on the spot.

SPEAKER_02 38:39

I was see that's them communicating with you. It is that is them elevating your thoughts to giving them a name that no one will have an objection to. Spiritual ambassadors. That's brilliant and beautiful, and quite you, Marcia. Quite the perfect way to identify them. They are the good will beings that will never lead you in a direction that is going to cause hurt or harm to yourself or another.

Charlie Kelly Medium 39:16

Yeah, I might so I'm gonna go back to me again. Well, this this is uh so I was sitting, so yesterday I went to a circle because I'm trying I'm trying to develop my mediumship, but and I sometimes I do a really good reading, some, but my problem is expectation. I am terrible for it, you know, sitting there expecting. So, and I'm sure a lot of people have this. I've been through the stages. Is it my thoughts or is it spirit people? I don't know which one it is. Stage. And now I want to be at the stage where I want to communicate with them. So you're saying about I like the parking spot idea. I've tried that before, but I tried sending that out to the universe in a law of attraction way, which I guess is the same thing, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 40:02

They're all the same, it's just different labels for the same energy, just knowing what you focus on, where you're placing your attention, what is causing you to be interacting is what you're going to receive. So this is why we want to build that muscle of I am expecting to receive guidance from my spiritual ambassadors. Why? Well, because it's always ongoing. And if I am open to it, then I will be able to receive it in whatever form is my way, my easiest way to receive information. It's not because I'm better than someone, it's not because I'm the chosen and they're not, it's because everyone is equal in the eyes of the divine, everyone is receiving this information, but it is my free will choice to choose to take part in this guidance.

Charlie Kelly Medium 41:10

I'm so I'm if I want to, because I've tried this before, Suzanne Geisman, who I've watched some of her stuff, and I do think she's very good. I do think she's a very, very, very good medium without question. She on one of her YouTube videos says you can play a game with your spirit team, i.e., okay, if that's from spirit, I need a sign. This is the sign. I've tried that and it hasn't worked. But do you think because I was by asking for a sign, I'm not showing trust in them?

SPEAKER_02 41:48

Well, let's expand that a little bit. That's a brilliant idea, and I absolutely work on confirmation all the time, especially when I have a really big decision. I will ask for confirmation. Here's what's happening for you, which is you are still trying to, there's a part of you, and and I would ask Archangel Michael to come in and release you from this while you are being held in the unconditional love and acceptance of the heart space.

Charlie Kelly Medium 42:23

But there is a part of you that is saying, I'm not worthy of receiving these answers, I'm not good enough to receive these answers, or Yeah, there is a bit because I look at other mediums and I've got in this stage master where I keep looking at them thinking, well, I'm never gonna be that good.

SPEAKER_02 42:41

Right, they're so much better. Blah, blah, blah, blah. You don't recognize how beautiful your channel is. You're thinking of it as a skill rather than a they're telling me, let it be a slide. Imagine that you are on like a slide at an amusement park in a water park, and they're just sliding the information down to you, and all you have to

— Jason opens up about mediumship pressure & expectation

SPEAKER_02 43:15

do is be willing to go on the slide. There is it's not a skill. Skill the skill part of what you are doing is being disciplined enough to be open to the information, but be the channel part that you are doing is being willing to go on the slide to receive the information. So you said earlier you don't really like sitting meditations.

Charlie Kelly Medium 43:51

It's not that I don't like it, but I just can't do it for long. I get fidgety. One thing that's helped recently so I would do. It I'll close my eyes, but after five minutes, I'll open my eyes because I'll get distracted. But recently, you can laugh at this because I try all different things. Because I think there's so many different ways you can meditate. I'm trying to find the right method for me, Marcia. I'm trying to sit there with binaural beats on, and now I put a total blackout eye mask on because even if I open my eyes, all I've got is pitch black dark. So it's almost like it sends me a bit inward because no matter where I if I'm closed or open, I'm in darkness.

SPEAKER_02 44:32

Have you ever tried walking to binaural beats?

Charlie Kelly Medium 44:36

No, I haven't actually.

SPEAKER_02 44:38

So they just keep saying, do a walking meditation.

Charlie Kelly Medium 44:42

I've never thought to use them walking.

SPEAKER_02 44:44

You're making it too difficult. You're again, you're I'm trying to be there.

Charlie Kelly Medium 44:49

Shut down mind.

SPEAKER_02 44:51

Exactly. You're free.

Charlie Kelly Medium 44:53

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 44:54

You keep you keep butting up against this belief system, this limiting belief that you have. I'm not good enough. I never will be good enough. This can't be easy for me. It's got to be hard. I have to force. And they're saying, hey, we love you and we just want to communicate with you. Would you like to walk and look at the birds or listen to binaural beats and open your heart in that way? Why does it have to be sitting still? Why does it have to be difficult? You are worthy as you are. Find the easiest path of communication for you and explore that. Others, the other paths, will get easier as that one as you relax and as you stay open. Just your desire to be an incredible medium says you already have this natural attunement. I don't have a desire to be a good medium that I'm not on that channel. I enjoy my angelic communication, but I very rarely step over into the mediumship side of it. It's just not my thing. I just love spending time with my angelic community.

Charlie Kelly Medium 46:18

It's funny because I just feel such a pull to want to be a medium and get on the platform and do readings.

SPEAKER_02 46:24

Because that's your that's a skill set that you have brought in with you. And now you just have to get on the slide and let that information come in.

Charlie Kelly Medium 46:35

I need to bloody get on the slide, Marcio. I need to get on it immediately. Sliding, sliding and sliding.

SPEAKER_02 46:43

You're already on it. Just give yourself permission for it to be easy. I want to ask.

Charlie Kelly Medium 46:51

Right, so you mentioned Archangel Michael earlier on. How does one, from your opinion, try and work with an angel? Because I wouldn't even know where to begin. Do what do I call him up? Michael, where are you? I need you tonight. I need healing, Michael. How can I find him?

SPEAKER_02 47:15

We always make it more difficult than it needs to be. These are angelic beings are beings that are part of the divine. So they are filled with love and acceptance. And they just happen to have a specific skill set. Just like you have this desire and this wiring that makes you really comfortable in desiring of mediumship. They have a particular expertise in a particular area. So all you need to do is say, Angels, please help me. State whatever it is that you need help with, and then allow. Because I work with them, I know their names, I know their colors, I know where who is specific to what particular thing, but you don't need that. They know what they are capable of doing. They don't have egos, they are more than happy to step in and do what you need as long as you are willing to receive. The only barrier to their assistance is you. And it has to be there because otherwise we would just be marionettes on a string. We have free will. So we get to say yes or no.

Charlie Kelly Medium 48:38

Hmm. So interesting. I could talk to you about this for hours. I'm making notes. I'm sitting here making notes, um, Marcy, about some of this because it's so interesting. So if I want to work with an angel, then what I and I'm asking this on behalf of the listeners, obviously, of course. I would just say, right, okay, I'm gonna sit now, and I would like to ask an archangel to come in in this time and help me.

SPEAKER_02 49:10

You know what I like to do? Because our connection point with the divine is in the energetic heart center. I always tell people take a moment, let's do it together, let's ask for angelic assistance together.

Charlie Kelly Medium 49:23

So we're just yes, I would love that. Right. Let me sit let me sit comfortably. Right, okay, right.

SPEAKER_02 49:29

Just remember, we're letting it be easy.

Charlie Kelly Medium 49:32

So we're just gonna just walked in the room. I think he wants some angel healing as well. You know, if you're going to stay, you need to be quiet,

— The “slide” analogy for receiving spirit communication

Charlie Kelly Medium 49:40

please, uh, during this time of angel communications. Right, sorry, Marcia, do go on.

SPEAKER_02 49:46

So we're gonna close our eyes and let's begin by taking several deep clearing and healing breaths. Now, you can relax better when your body feels safe. And one of the ways to communicate to your body that you are safe is through the breath. So breathe in as deeply as you can and exhale completely. Just continue these deep breaths, deep expanding breaths, and exhale. This signals to your body by all this oxygen rushing through the bloodstream. I am well, and a well body is more able to relax. So one last deep breath. And now we place our attention on the energetic heart center that's located right in the middle of your chest.

SPEAKER_01 50:58

And as you do, just connect with all there that is.

SPEAKER_02 51:03

This is the source of unconditional love and acceptance. There is no judgment here. You cannot fail in this space. You are safe and loved. Let's imagine that you bring yourself just as you are into this space, create a circle of white light, using the energy of the heart, a beautiful sacred circle, and then just plop yourself right into the middle of that circle. You may even see yourself by using your third eye, but it doesn't matter whether you can see yourself, just allow yourself to be there.

SPEAKER_01 51:53

And now imagine that that self says, I am ready. I am ready to receive guidance.

SPEAKER_02 52:07

I am ready to work with the angelic community. The spiritual ambassadors. I am ready for ease. And so I give permission to the angelic community, which are only beings of a hundred percent pure white light. I give permission for these angelic beings to read my mind, communicate with me, provide guidance, insight, support, and whatever else I may need to live a life that feels good.

SPEAKER_01 53:07

Take another deep clearing and cleansing breath.

SPEAKER_02 53:16

Feel the love that surrounds you.

SPEAKER_01 53:19

Allow yourself to be wrapped in its embrace.

SPEAKER_02 53:25

And now that you have opened a portal of communication that you can close at any time, that the angels mean and can deliver no hurt or harm to you or anyone else, so you can trust their guidance, but you will know it is them because it is kind, uplifting, guiding, supportive, wise and never cruel or condemning. It is also not a booming voice, it is usually a very quiet voice or presence. You may close this line of communication at any time, but until you do, it will stay open for your benefit.

SPEAKER_01 54:20

Take another deep breath. Thank you for your love and support, angels.

SPEAKER_02 54:30

Thank you for being with us, for bringing to us loving guidance at all times so that we can understand how to apply spirituality into our daily lives with practical tools and tips

— Meditation, ADHD & finding your own spiritual path

SPEAKER_02 54:50

and a life that feels good.

SPEAKER_01 54:58

We thank you, angels, for all that you do, for the love that you share, and for guiding us in the direction of our highest good.

Charlie Kelly Medium 55:18

I can't believe that we've just gone into a spontaneous angel meditation communication. It's just been the most action-packed hour. You know, we could I'm going. Do you know what I'm gonna do? I thought that was so beautiful. I'm gonna when I come to edit this, I'm gonna take that little section and I'm gonna put that out as a meditation in its own right because I thought think that was really that was really good. I thought I felt amazing from it to be quite. I'm gonna do that later.

SPEAKER_02 55:45

I'm gonna ask you that now you have angel communication happening with you because you gave free consent. You may close it at any time, but be on the alert. Your job now is just to be aware. If you run around with your hands over your eyes and over your ears and you're cut off, they cannot communicate with you. Stay open, be alert, be aware.

Charlie Kelly Medium 56:10

I'm not going to be closing the line, I can assure you of that. I want the line open all the time, Marcio, at the moment.

SPEAKER_02 56:17

Such a life of ease and joy when the line is open. Yeah. Because they can see what you cannot. They will give you that loving guidance and support that helps you make better and better decisions.

Charlie Kelly Medium 56:35

I think that's so beautiful. I'm so excited. You've ignited my passion for all things angelic. I'm gonna ask you, lastly, to, and if you do want to find out about our lovely guest today, Dr. Marcia Martin, you can go to the show notes where obviously there'll be more information about Marcia. But do you know what, Marcia? Do you know the biggest problem about this episode? We haven't even come on to talk about the Heart Healing Foundation. I've just noticed we've talked for a whole hour and we haven't even talked about that. You're the founder of the Heart Healing Foundation, and the Heart Healing Foundation is a heart-centered charitable organization that provides spiritual, educational, inspiration, and counseling services and support to abusers of uh sorry, to survivors of abuse, trauma, and violence. We might have to get you on to talk about this another time because you know there's so much there. But if you want to find out more about your foundation and everything you do there sounds amazing, and especially the fact that it's a charitable organization, sounds great. But I'm gonna ask you to leave us on a final thought today. Some guests say their final thought in just 10 seconds, short and sweet. Some like to have a whole monologue. I'm gonna leave that totally down to you, Marcia, today to close your own episode. What would you like to say?

SPEAKER_02 58:02

What you experience today with the angels interacting with you is exactly what we do in the foundation because they have taught me that when you heal your heart with angelic support, you will transform your life. So we spend all of our time in the energetic heart center identifying the origin, the beginning of the place that got screwed up, clearing that, and then replacing it with divine truth. And that divine truth never never changes. It is always unconditional love and acceptance. So we welcome anyone who is ready to recover from any pain of the past and is willing to work with angelic guidance.

Charlie Kelly Medium 59:00

Beautiful. Marcia, all that leaves me to say is thank you for coming onto the SoulSync podcast.

SPEAKER_02 59:07

Well, it's been a pleasure. I love to share the angels, they're my best friends.

Charlie Kelly Medium 59:15

Oh, they are her best friends, and I tell you what, Soul Sync, I'd quite like them to become mine. I once felt when sitting in my special meditation room, that I felt the presence of something like an angel. Literally, I felt this being just surround me with like love to the highest level that you can possibly imagine. And it made my heart like race. I can't even tell you. I don't know if that was an angel. I'd like to think it was, but I definitely want to start feeling more of those kind of presences around me, let me tell you that. So, in the next episode, directly after this, Dr. Marcia Martin's gonna be leading us into a guided meditation where um we're gonna be connecting to the angels through our hearts. Um, as always, it's absolutely lovely to have you here. If you find this podcast helpful, please do take a second to leave a review because it helps other people find it. Until then, bye.