The Trust Crisis in Mediumship — With Susan Diadem

How do you know when it’s truly spirit… and when it’s just your mind?

In this episode of Soul Sync, I’m joined by medium and psychic Susan Diadem for a wonderfully honest, wise and often very funny conversation about the inner world of mediumship.

This isn’t just a conversation about giving messages. It’s about what happens underneath the surface — the doubt, the responsibility, the fear of getting it wrong, the importance of spiritual integrity, and the moment a medium begins to move beyond technique into trust.

Susan shares her own journey from early sensitivity and psychic awareness into mediumship, including the years she spent questioning herself, learning through different teachers and traditions, and eventually finding the confidence to listen more deeply to spirit.

Together, we explore why so many mediums doubt themselves, why that doubt often comes from care rather than lack of ability, and why great mediumship is not simply about delivering facts — but about honouring the essence, dignity and love of the soul being communicated.

This episode also opens up a much-needed conversation around evidence versus essence, the danger of embellishing what spirit gives, the role of ego in mediumship, and why formal structures can be helpful at the beginning but limiting if we never move beyond them.

At the heart of this conversation is a simple but powerful question:

Can we trust ourselves enough to become a clear voice for spirit?

What you’ll hear

• Susan’s journey from psychic sensitivity into mediumship
• Why many genuine mediums struggle with self-doubt
• The difference between evidence and essence in spirit communication
• Why integrity matters so deeply in mediumship
• The danger of embellishing or interpreting too much
• Why respect and dignity matter when bringing loved ones through
• How training and structure can help — but can also become restrictive
• The balance between confidence, humility and ego
• Why spirit communication should feel more like a loving conversation than a checklist
• Susan’s reflections on healing, comparison, hope and learning to trust yourself

Who this episode is for

This episode is for anyone developing mediumship, sitting in spiritual circles, giving readings, or trying to understand their own sensitivity more deeply.

It’s also for anyone who has ever asked:

Was that intuition? Was that anxiety? Was that spirit… or was that just my mind?

Mentions & ideas

Mediumship, psychic awareness, spiritual development, evidential mediumship, self-doubt, spiritual integrity, spirit communication, healing, grief, trust, ego, evidence, essence, spiritual teaching, Arthur Findlay College, Spiritualism.

Gentle note

This conversation includes discussion around grief, bereavement and the emotional responsibility involved in mediumship.

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Transcript

– Intro: The Trust Crisis in Mediumship

Charlie Kelly Medium 0:05

Hello and welcome to the Soul Sync podcast. It's lovely to have you here. Now, like many of us, I have developed my mediumship over many years and it's probably taught me more about myself in a lot of ways and um it has just connecting to spirit because one of the strangest things I found about mediumship is that in many ways the hardest part really isn't connecting with spirit. It's learning to trust yourself. And I think that's not just true in mediumship, but in life in general, because how many times have you felt something deep down? You know, I used to describe it as a gut feeling, a knowing, an inner nudge, a quiet voice trying to guide you. And almost instantly, as soon as you get that feeling, another voice appears. Was that real? Am I imagining this? Is that my intuition or anxiety? Is that spirit or just my mind? And I think for many sensitive people, this is the real battleground. Not ability, but trust. Because often the people who doubt themselves the most are not the least gifted. They're the ones most who care about getting it right. And I think half the time, why do I get myself so worked up for mediumship? It's because I really care and I want to get that right. Um, you know, we don't want to mislead and I want to do a good job for the spirit person and for the person sitting in front of me. And I think somewhere along the path of spiritual development, many of us start asking deeper questions. What actually makes a great medium? Is it really perfect evidence, endless facts and details, or is there something deeper happening? Is medium ship simply about proving survival? I think not. Or is it really about conveying the essence of the soul, the love, the personality, the feeling, the truth of who someone was? And in this conversation with Susan Diadem, who's a medium, we explore all of this: self-doubt, trust, spiritual integrity, and the delicate balance between confidence and humility. And we asked one of the most important questions any medium or any intuitive person can ask. When is this truly spirit? I've asked myself that question so many times. Is it me? Is it spirit? Is this my imagination? Because I've got an act of imagination at the best of times. I say GHD people do, and I think that's a superpower in its own right. I absolutely loved Susan's uh wisdom, honesty, her warmth, and the refreshing lack of fluff um she has towards spiritual work. And I think there's a lot of fluff uh in spiritualism. So um Susan really cut through that and she made me laugh a lot. So whether you're a working medium developing your gift, or simply someone learning, trying to trust yourself more deeply, I have to say I absolutely love talking to Susan because I think she just cut straight through the noise and with the best of humour as well, and her authenticity really shone through you. So this is my conversation with the absolutely lovely Susan Didem. Enjoy

– Susan Diadem joins Soul Sync

Charlie Kelly Medium 3:32

Susan. Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome. It's lovely to have you on the SoulSync. Thank you for coming on.

SPEAKER_02 3:39

I yeah, I'm absolutely delighted to have been invited.

Charlie Kelly Medium 3:44

Well, you come referred from the lovely Lawrence Savile, who's a very lovely medium. Um, we were saying that before we got going. So thank you.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

Yes, yeah, you're welcome.

Charlie Kelly Medium 3:55

I can tell we're gonna have a lovely, lovely conversation.

SPEAKER_01 3:59

Lovely afternoon or evening. Yes.

Charlie Kelly Medium 4:02

Well, you're in Ireland, I'm in Bristol, 32 degrees here, 19 degrees where you are. As just researched by you.

SPEAKER_02 4:10

Yes, yes, I'm a researcher. You know, when people say something to me, I go looking. Is that right?

Charlie Kelly Medium 4:19

Good, that's that's what I'm like as well. So, firstly,

– Early sensitivity, psychic awareness and feeling different

Charlie Kelly Medium 4:22

you're a medium.

SPEAKER_02 4:23

I am, a psychic and medium, yes.

Charlie Kelly Medium 4:27

Okay. Tell us about you.

SPEAKER_02 4:30

How did you first come into this world of mediumship and the it's an interesting story for for me anyway, when it's my mind, but I didn't know I was a medium, but I knew I was a psychic, and and as a younger person, you know, late teens, I couldn't figure out things. Why do I know this stuff when other people? It was just common sense to me, you know, that kind of thing. So I we were chatting earlier on, we're talking about the crazy, you know, us weirdos, we're weird, we're strange, and we just can't really fit into that norm because we don't we don't know what it is, and uh all of that going through. It's bad to know.

Charlie Kelly Medium 5:12

How would you describe it at the time? Was it kind of because I when I was young, I used to think that I was smarter. And I definitely wasn't smarter, but I felt like I could just read people very quickly. What was it? What was it like for you? How and what did you put it down to? Because I just put it down to being, you know, a probably a bit of a smart ass. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 5:33

Yeah, well, yeah, I know. I never considered myself a smarter, so the people might have. Seemingly as a child, I was very shy, actually, it was very quiet. And there was, you know, I'm not going back into the deep history of me, but there was a lot of stuff that would have stopped me from being me. And so when you're trying to look for yourself and you're really beginning to tune into things, uh and trying to find out why. So I did go to the library a lot. I mean, I love this word, by the way. I love words. I was very discompopulated by these feelings that I was getting. Now, I never saw grannies at the end of the bed, I never saw figures in my mind and my memories, but I do remember having altered energy feelings, as I know now to call it, and wouldn't have understood stood up. So I was called a perfect, a shy child, I was called cheeky, you know, and I I was only stating fact, you know, so I couldn't, so I used to be very, very sensitive, of course, and quite naive. And I'm I'm still at my my age, a little bit of naive, not as stupid as I was, but a little bit of naivety still exists within me because it's part of our soul, isn't it? That's part of us to open and embrace. So I went to the library, I was pro a prolific reader, so I read um psychology, I read about uh body language, I was then uh taro and tea leaves and all of this kind of thing. And so I went and I bought um a book to assist me reading cards. They were playing cards, and somehow I predicted my father's business going kaput, and which was a bit upsetting because a lot of my family worked there and it actually did manifest. And I go, holy, holy guacamole.

Charlie Kelly Medium 7:28

Yeah, what's happened here and who do I tell about this?

SPEAKER_02 7:32

Yeah, so I lay that down and I put it to the side a bit because I I got married. I had a child at 18 out of wedlock. Oh my god, strike me dead, why don't you?

Charlie Kelly Medium 7:46

Yes, I can imagine.

SPEAKER_02 7:48

Yeah, in in good old Ireland. And anyway, but married now to the father of that child, and but i in the twenties and their very difficult years, and so I laid off it. But I continued studies, I continued reading about it, and I know many people are interested in near-death experiences and past lives and things like that. Where'd I tell you now? Where'd I tell you just this? Uh I'll wander off, so you're gonna have to pull me back.

Charlie Kelly Medium 8:23

Honestly, I'm the worst person for going down rabbit house myself, so but go on, please.

– A life-threatening illness and an unexpected spiritual turning point

SPEAKER_02 8:27

So I was really ill. I had issues with the gallbladder and blah blah blah. And it was going on, going on, going on. Anyway, I went on holiday to Tanerife, and had I not gone on holiday to Tanerife, I'd be dead. I know that they saved me there because I had a septic um I had a thing on my liver because yeah, sepsis, sepsis, sepsis, oh yes. Sepsis. And there was a very large thing about to burst which would have killed me. Any anyhow, so I'm in in the hospital. I was there uh for for like two and a half weeks. I'm kind of gone get that near death experience that I'm being fascinated all my life, you know. I was I was annoyed, you know, uh frustrated. I know ridiculous. I'm alive, I should be rejoicing. But anyway, a voice came into my head, into my mind, and said, But you already know. And I went, Yes, yeah. Ah now a friend of mine happened to be holidaying in Tenerife at that time, very near to the hospital I was in, so she called in. And when I was talking to her, uh must have been a couple of months later, she said, When we walked into that room, she said it was like a sense of peace. It was the most peaceful hospital room. I was in a room on my own, lots of bing bonging and tubes and stuff like that. So it doesn't always manifest the way we think. And I like to know that people like to put a color on things, and nobody's colour is the same. So, anyway, this is all through my discovery. So I studied psychology and then uh did a counseling course and uh course tarot. Thing about learning tarot, I never did it right, I was always wrong. That's not the way to lay them out. But when I laid them out the way they were telling me to, they didn't work. So even in that environment where I thought I was going to fit in, I didn't fit in.

Charlie Kelly Medium 10:37

But do you know what? There's something about even just that though, on the tarot, that I thought I was rubbish at learning the tarot for a long old time because I would look so my granddad was a tarot reader, and he used to have the tarot cards out, and that was what I was fascinated with when I was younger as a tarot card. You know, I wanted to know when my next uh future husband was going to come along, I wanted to know about my career, I wanted to know about this, that, and the other, my fortunes of the future. But when I started learning it, I got lost down the meaning of the cards because there's so much meaning to the cards, even on a kind of mysticism level. And and then I was using them and I thought, well, I'm getting so lost in the meaning of the cards, it's not working. And then as soon as I scrapped that to one side and thought, I'm just gonna pull out whatever I want. I started calling the presidential election in the US. I started calling all these things with my card. But you've got to the card the cards are the tool for you, though, aren't they? And you've got to use them in you're using them as a tool for you if you're trying to use someone else's methods.

SPEAKER_02 11:44

Yeah, exactly. So it's really some people are really fascinated with the history of tarot and and what every card means, and it's important, so we know what every card means or the the background of it. But I am an intuitive reader, which you are also. So I look at a card one day and see something I've never seen before to see, which is surprising because I have cards a long, long time. So and I think that's about within our work, it is about bringing new perspectives, isn't it? And for us to offer new perspectives, we must have experienced them ourselves. Because, you know, especially when it comes to the likes of counselors or psychologists or doctors and nurses, etc., if they've experienced something, they're going to understand. You know, this is this I had one doctor and he said, This this what is it? This won't hurt me at all, but it'll hurt you a bit. I can't thanks very much for that honesty. It wasn't quite as brutal as that now. I just can't remember very burton what it was, but it did make me laugh, you know. It did make me laugh. So but it is it again, it just with with the mediumship. Let me get back on track for you. So I I did all that, laid off it for a while, maybe a decade or so, and then I started finding that urge to move in. I want to do more with this again, and I started looking online. And you and I both know every crazy in the world is available online. Oh, yeah, yes. And just the click

– Discovering online spiritual communities and learning mediumship

SPEAKER_02 13:27

of a button. I found a few of them and I quickly uh walked away. But I did find this site, it was called Delphi. Craig Parker God, what's it? And his name's gone from my mind. Uh, he created it, and this is where I met Violet Kipling and Dora Smith, her sister, and they taught on this website. It was all through type, there was no screens or anything, it was all through type. And and I I went in, I found these rooms, and they had all different rooms, and I was watching these people work, and I said, Oh my god, that's amazing! How do they do that? Well, moving forward a number of years, I ended up being uh a staff member and a tutor on that site, do you see? Um and Violet and uh Vise passed over now. Doris is still with us, actually, Darlington. That's that's up there, that's they're up that way. A bit far from Brighton, huh? And anyhow, so I used to go over to Britain every twice a year, and over they had around Rainbow's End weekends, and they'd have a lot of people there training for for this, but I didn't know I was a medium until I found that site because I was going looking for to deepen my psychic awareness, and so that's how I moved into the abilities. Now it took me years. I I'm a most reluctant medium because I just didn't want to hurt anyone. I didn't want to tell anybody something that's not true, I didn't want to just pull a figment out of my mind. But I went ahead and I did a lot of studies as well with that. I did join the Spiritual Natural Union where I did take part in their education. I'm actually accredited as a teacher with them also. But you know, how did you find that? Tedious, a lot of tedious stuff. And I mean, they don't teach you to teach, you just need to prove that you can teach. But for those who really want to get on that path and find it worthy, it you know, the education system there's a lot of information you can you can glean a lot from it. It's all about the history of it. However, I'm Irish living in Dublin, and it is quite British, and I've nothing against the Brits. Both my grandfathers were born in Britain. And so, you know, it it's just interesting that the and the amount of times I went to the college, which is beautiful, I would never put anyone off going to that college. It was fascinating for me, and the growth that I got from that. I studied under Mavis Batilla. Uh the I also did the teaching accreditation with Mavis, Tony Stockwell, whom I love as well. And and so there's lots of Paul Jacobs, all of these people that I met there. But going back to Vi and and Doris, the the Rainbows End weekends, they had all these tutors coming that I didn't know were from the college or were well known or anything. I'm just this silly little Irish girl going over a bag of nerves if somebody said jump up and then.

Charlie Kelly Medium 16:47

I think you're meant to be a psychic, and then all of a sudden you find yourself on a mediumship course. And do you know what? Just on that point, yeah, you say something interesting because for that very reason, you know, I'm very confident in my life and my day job what I do, and but mediumship, I found it really hard to believe in myself at times because it is that it's there's nothing else like it, you know. You've perhaps got someone in front of you who's a skeptic, you know, and you're trying to, you've got all those things there, expectation, self-doubt, you know, feeling that you know, you don't is it me or is it my mind or is it my imagination? And should I be experimenting this on with someone who's coming for to connect with their loved one? You know, it's not a time to be sort of practicing this kind of thing. So it's there's a lot going on there, isn't there?

SPEAKER_02 17:36

Yeah, absolutely. And that's where practice and development and all of those things that were

– Becoming a reluctant medium and the fear of getting it wrong

SPEAKER_02 17:45

are we're told really, really, really is vitally important because we see mediums who uh you know it's interesting because it's the ego is needed, or they're all ego. Well, that means they're egotistical. But if we don't have ego, Jason, you and I, how are we going to project ourselves? Like I said, I was a very shy person, a very naive and and lacked confidence. And I was I know people think I am confident, I know who's inside, but I have you can even be confident.

Charlie Kelly Medium 18:30

I'm conf go put me in my business, I'll sit in board meetings, I'll do whatever. I'm confident. Put me in one-to-one reading scenario, you know, point in my development, not confident at all, you know. Bring me up on a platform. Normally, I'm Jason.

SPEAKER_02 18:46

Do you know why? Do you know why? Because it's

– Why mediums doubt themselves when it matters most

SPEAKER_02 18:50

so important to you to be observers, that's what it is. And Mavis Patella, and I've said this before to people, uh the uh because I under her mentorships I did a few couple of mentorships which were worthy of all the hassle and the fight moving over. Anyway, so we we we were naughty in her class, we didn't do our homework right, and she was a bit peed off with us. Rightly so. Now, I was one who hadn't completed the work. I was one of them. So people did.

Charlie Kelly Medium 19:23

Don't worry, I would have been the same. I'm or I give me homework and you know, come back with the chewed off at the dog.

SPEAKER_02 19:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she comes in and she's pointing the finger. I don't know if you've ever met Mavis. She's a beautiful, beautiful woman, but don't piss her off. But anyway, so she's pointing the finger, she came in and she goes, You will all die. And I went, Oh, I sank into the chair and I'm going, Oh my god, what have I done? That I'm going to die. And she said, Well, when you do, you will meet every person that you said you were representing. Every person will be in a line, and they may come to you and say, I didn't say that to you. I didn't say that to you. That changed my view. That very statement and moment changed my view completely. I wanted a line of people saying, I appreciate that you really tried. I appreciate that you were able to listen and hear and give and offer what the essence of me and my I wanted to say to my loved one, not to come and say, I never said that.

Charlie Kelly Medium 20:31

So that changed my focus somewhat, and it it is blown my mind, even you just saying that, it's I've never thought of it like that. And if if that does happen, you know, I think there's probably gonna be a few people there asking for refunds on their side.

SPEAKER_02 20:49

Um, Jason, you're genuine, you're authentic. So if you make an error, it's it's an error and and put it to the side, you're not making up stuff, you're authentically offering the vibration and the essence of that loved one, whatever way it's manifesting it for you, because it it's all different. I as you can tell, I'm not airy fairy, I'm quite real.

Charlie Kelly Medium 21:20

Yes, but I like that. I like that. That's how I like to think uh when what what am I saying? I like to think I am, I am a diet direct person, you know, and I'm I think I want to cut through the noise in the waffle.

SPEAKER_02 21:33

Correct, correct, correct. The waffle has a place, and it's not. I like if I'm doing platform, I I I do chat a bit first just to build off that energy, but that's not

– Accountability, integrity and representing spirit truthfully

SPEAKER_02 21:45

waffle. You know, I'd like to think it's not waffle. You're warming up the marmy, yes.

SPEAKER_01 21:51

I love that, yes, and building one's energy.

SPEAKER_02 21:54

Yeah, and I step into it then. I know some people, you know, I've done my accredited. Accreditations and it doesn't be.

Charlie Kelly Medium 22:02

Oh, accreditation. I'm gonna just say on that point, because you you you're bringing up accreditations now.

SPEAKER_01 22:07

Yes.

Charlie Kelly Medium 22:08

The I will never ever do the SNU qualification because firstly I feel that the structure of it I think it's good for education, the history. But firstly, I'm not someone that wants to be in do things in a box. I want to be able to freely express my mediumship in the way I and I feel it's very restrictive. And I, you know, I just I'm also someone that's not very good at the writing lots, you know. I'm ADHD brain. I'm not someone that is going to part of me also thinks with my mediumship, I'm someone that likes to push boundaries, and I'll as probably as soon as I get the qualification, I'll lose it within 12 months because I've done something wrong or not something that wasn't approved. I haven't read the hand book properly.

SPEAKER_01 22:55

I'm sorry just take it down. You'll be taken down.

Charlie Kelly Medium 22:59

I want to listen to the spirit world. It's the spirit world that's deciding what I say, you know, not my checklist for carrying.

SPEAKER_02 23:06

As I said, the education is good. What they have to offer is good because I wouldn't have known any of that, but it's only if you are a spiritualist. If you're not a spiritualist, you don't need to know all of that history, and which some has been debunked anyway.

Charlie Kelly Medium 23:22

How would you describe being a spiritualist to know if I'm one? How do I know if I am a spiritualist?

SPEAKER_02 23:28

Well, the spiritualist is the religion. You are a spiritual being. I don't know if you're if you're a member of the spiritualist church, the spiritualist, the SNU, that you are a spiritualist. But that's the the name of the religion. So I'm an ex-Catholic and you need to born again. Born again. You need to. Oh God, I I don't know. I often have said, Jason, now when I get back to Spirit World, I'm going to say, Who bloody thought that was a good idea? Who thought that was the way I was supposed to learn that lesson?

Charlie Kelly Medium 24:08

I can just tell you're one of those souls where the point of signing up for the, like me, at the point of signing the soul contract, and someone say, Who wants this tough experience? Oh, I'll take that. Oh, I'll take that. And some of the say, Susan, come on now, you've picked enough. You've picked enough. Put your hand down now. Come on now. It's gonna be tough to do.

SPEAKER_02 24:26

Jason, oh yeah, but I tell you, I have a friend. Well, I have lots of friends, but I have a friend who does what is that, Michael? Michael, you know, soul the journey of the souls, and she does this um hypnotic thing. And I was I was videoed, she kept asking me to do it, and and so she brings you into a hypnosis state. It's actually on um Gaia TV, I think.

Charlie Kelly Medium 24:53

Oh, I have to have a look into it.

SPEAKER_02 24:55

Yeah, Journey of the Souls.

Charlie Kelly Medium 24:57

Um Journey of the Souls.

SPEAKER_02 24:59

Yeah, I I'm just terrible with names, honest to God. But anyway, it's funny because when during that session or another session, perhaps, because she she's my friend and she's very kind to me. That's because it was said you've done enough, you don't need to do anymore. You you don't have to do this, and here I am going, Oh, why didn't you tell me before I came? But you and I, Jason, I feel that we're determined. We're determined to get it right.

Charlie Kelly Medium 25:31

Stubborn, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:33

No, determined. I'm not stubborn anymore. I'm a bit older than you, so I can say determined.

Charlie Kelly Medium 25:39

Um I will dig my heels in when necessary.

SPEAKER_02 25:43

Yeah, well, that's that's standing up for yourself.

Charlie Kelly Medium 25:46

I do, it is. I feel like I stand bold, but I stand bold to help other people. I feel that I have to be strong.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

Justice needs to be done.

Charlie Kelly Medium 25:54

Yeah, yes, it does need to be done.

SPEAKER_02 25:56

Where karma, I let karma do its own job, but justice, that's a you know, if we can get a result, we'll do it.

Charlie Kelly Medium 26:04

Yes, yes, indeed.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

So, yeah, so all those experiences have brought me to being confident in my connection with the spirit world. Being a spiritualist doesn't mean I am a medium, you know. People think that there's so many spiritualists who work as well, healers are actually mediums, but they work cleaning up the churches, they they all of that kind of thing. They're overlooked, and there's too many overlooked people within that organization. People are swallowed up a wee bit. But it served me, it served me. I did, I went forward and I got my certification, which I think I needed to be certified.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

Well, do you know what?

Charlie Kelly Medium 26:54

But there is a lot in you then moving past that point of realizing I never needed this all along, and I'm probably all the better for and but I just feel to my you know, myself, I just think I just I just don't feel it's you know, I want to go through that to prove myself to anyone. I feel the only person I want to prove myself to is me.

SPEAKER_02 27:14

Yeah, absolutely correct. But going back to Vi and Doris were members uh of this institution.

Charlie Kelly Medium 27:21

Yeah, but it helps a lot of people, and it yeah, there's so many people it does do well for it.

SPEAKER_02 27:25

I just don't think it's my and they're wanting to be part of the community. So it did serve a certain aspect, it did serve that, and it was really funny because it'd go to the college, and us Irish were awful storytellers. Oh, stop telling the story, we just want the facts. You know, another year I went, you can't mention God. You know, it was all changing all the time. Where is the consistency? And the truth is that consistency is the connection with the spirit world and how it

– Evidence versus essence: what makes mediumship meaningful?

SPEAKER_02 27:57

manifests for different people is different. And then they started, which I thought I laughed, I actually laughed out loud. They started bringing on courtes called the storyteller. Well, you told us to shut up, and now yeah, you're saying so. Really, the truth is, yes, we need to bring forward the facts, you know. Your father does still exist, but that's that's that's great, and your father loves you, and that's great. But that's not that anybody could do it.

Charlie Kelly Medium 28:31

Well, yeah, it's yeah, once you've established that you've got the we want to know what is he wanting to say, you know. You can just go on, oh, he's showing me a gold watch now. Yes, he had a gold watch. Oh, he's showing me a red door now, you know how now he's showing me a bike in the front. Oh, was it green? Yeah, that's all relevant. I'm not being moved in any way here.

SPEAKER_01 28:51

Correct, correct.

SPEAKER_02 28:53

Where is the essence? My father, I can feel him if the medium has my dad. Now I will say this to you. I like to honor other mediums, but if you disrespect my people who have passed over, I will not receive that message. I will not so because that's you. I just remember particularly one media, it hasn't happened happened often. One medium, and my father lost a lot of weight before he passed, which many people do. And she she this person will and he's pulling up his trousers and and and what she was

– Respecting the dignity of loved ones in spirit

SPEAKER_02 29:35

only gone. You know, my father is very dignified. You're you're taking from him his dignity. I'm not putting my hand up for that. I'm sorry. No. And that is bad, but it's also I can't and that taught me also never disrespectful.

Charlie Kelly Medium 29:55

So you're perfecting you're protecting his dignity in not wanting to claim what is a incoz your father wouldn't be bringing that through. Why would he be bringing through himself the chevel, tucking his trousers into his pants?

SPEAKER_02 30:08

Exactly. Even though it was true, what she did was take it and make it a comedy show.

Charlie Kelly Medium 30:17

What probably was a bit, you know, I'm saying happened. I don't know, but you know, it could have been okay, he's tucking himself in because he wants to look smart, but she's taking her own interpretation or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 30:28

Exactly. Exactly, exactly. So why uh you know, she said if you see uh if you see a salt canister, you you're not seeing a full set of del you know, so don't don't embellish it. Because if they're showing you that, there's a reason. So it's bringing forward, yes, we must bring the facts because then it is the person, but we can't stay in that because, like you said, well what does my dad want to say to me? What how is he you know viewing my life at the moment? How is he assisting me moving forward? And we both know that spirit people can't predict too far. You know, I mean they can give us nudges and intentions, help us with that, but to know that your dearly beloved person is still alive in the vibrancy of that love that was present on this earth is an amazing thing that brings so much comfort and so much healing, and that's what you and I do, Jason. That's what that's why we're authentic. So despite my very strict, and because I do feel now it was a very strict education within that space, it served me. I like rules. I always say this. I like rules.

Charlie Kelly Medium 31:58

I don't like rules. No, well, not I'm not a rules.

SPEAKER_02 32:01

I like rules if they make sense. That makes sense, but if they don't make sense, well, I'm not sure you're gonna be breaking them. Yeah, yeah, I'm not taking that off.

Charlie Kelly Medium 32:12

Yes, I yes, okay. Let me refine that. I do like no, I don't like rules actually. I'm not even gonna say that because I don't like rules. I like them if they are for the benefit of humankind.

SPEAKER_02 32:24

Guidance. Let's let's cut and the one of the reasons that I did sign up for the S SNU was because they didn't have the Ten Commandments. Remember, I'm an ex-Catholic, they had the principles with our which are guidelines, you know, and there was something you see, so it gave me that power of choice, whereas within I suppose any relationship.

Charlie Kelly Medium 32:51

We suggest that you abide by these.

SPEAKER_02 32:53

Yes, exactly. So that appealed to me, and then I I jumped into that mediumship, and my friend who was passed over, we used to couple up a lot. She's from Barnsley, and even till our dying day, I didn't fully understand her because of the Barnsley accent. But I love her dearly and I miss her so awful. But I used to be the one that was last in the class, in a class of 30, I'd be the last one. So of course I'm a bucket of nerves, right?

– Becoming the voice of the voiceless

SPEAKER_02 33:27

And I jumped up this day, and Chris was sitting beside me, and I started saying, Well, I have this, that, the other. And I turned to my friend Chris and I said, Do I actually have someone? And she said, Yes, yes, you do. And and so we go through all those learning processes of, is someone really there? Am I making it up? Well, partially at the beginning, we we kind of do because we want to embellish, because we want to make it real. And then when we really start getting to the truth of it and understanding what it is we're doing and why it is we're doing it, then you actually listen to spirit. That's that's what I believe. Then you actually listen and you become the voice. And it was, it wasn't it Simon's James. I I just remember, I think it was him I heard this from first, uh, be the voice of the voiceless, do you see? And and just bringing forward their voice of what they wish to share. And you know, you'll have heard lots of times, and those who are listening, you know, it's it's a phone call, it's a phone call with your your loved one. And if you're on a phone call, you're not gonna say, Hi, cancer, blue car, hot belly, funny.

Charlie Kelly Medium 34:48

You're not gonna say maybe if you're doing more Morse code or something on the Titanic back in the 1900s, perhaps.

SPEAKER_02 34:54

Yeah, you're gonna say, Lo, hi, you love it's dad here. I really miss you, and I know that you've been going through a rough time, blah, blah, blah. I'm here for you. My love for you is present. I have healed, I can see clearly, I have no aches and pains. All of that, in the essence of the message that life continues, albeit not in the human form.

Charlie Kelly Medium 35:19

Hmm. Great.

SPEAKER_02 35:21

My wandering off.

Charlie Kelly Medium 35:22

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, not at all. You go through these different stages of development, like you rightly say at the very beginning. You know, I even remember moments where I'm looking behind at the tutor that I got, and I say, Have I actually got someone there? Yes, you've got someone there now. What have you got? You know, and it's and then you go through a stage with the spirit world of trying to control it, trying to okay, I need to do this now, I must push this out now, okay. I must do this, and then that happened. It's all mechanical, and I think a lot of teachers are mechanical, yeah. And I think that it just puts you up in the head, and and you know, oh it overcomplicates it. I think mediumship, the more and more I go on my journey, I think it's uh massively overcomplicated.

SPEAKER_02 36:12

I think so too. I think so too, because it became regimented, you see, regimented has to be this. Now they did, and and I do appreciate this. I'm I'm putting that forward now, cert, communicator, um, evidence, reason for coming, tie it up. That is a really good space for the beginner. That is absolutely so they can get a handle on that, but the beginner must be allowed for their personality and their way of bringing forward information to be shown once it's respectful and and it's good at the beginning, just for the purpose of right, okay.

Charlie Kelly Medium 36:51

If you just stand someone in front of you and say, Okay, what you uh who have you got now? What just you know they're not gonna know where to go, what to say, what's appropriate, what's not. To have that in front, it basically and the spirit worlds are so intelligent, you know. Even these teachers who say you need to do this, you need to get this, you need to get that. The spirit world are obviously willingly partaking in oh, bloody hell, we've got another one of these messengers, another one of these telephones where I have to scratch off the country code, answer all my questions, you know, 20-minute dialing time, and then after I've answered the questions, I get two minutes to say what I want to me loved one, and then the connection's gone, you know.

SPEAKER_02 37:25

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That

– When structure helps — and when mediumship becomes too mechanical

SPEAKER_02 37:27

exactly, but it is a really good foundation, but to be not permitted to move beyond that is the error. That's that's what I'm saying. It's the error, and I do teach, and I ask people to never compare themselves to anyone because that's a killer, because it killed me in every aspect of your life, yeah. And and to just speak the way you would normally speak, just talk, just allow it to occur. We need to permit our spirit people to come forward and permit the conversation instead of saying how tall are you, what age are you, when's your birthday? Give me a date. Now we will know that if if we stall, we'll kind of go, let me go back on that one just there. What did you

– Comparison, confidence, ego and spiritual stardom

SPEAKER_02 38:27

say is why is that date important? Because also in my work now, I don't like throwaway statements. Hey, hey Jason, July is really important. Your father says July is really important. You agree, don't you? Yes, says Jason. I want to know why. Don't give me that information without saying it must be a birthday or there's a celebration around that time, all those things. And and I think you and I, well, perhaps not you and I, because we're brilliant. Yeah, no, go on. We're just brilliant.

SPEAKER_01 39:01

Go on.

SPEAKER_02 39:01

Yeah, but we want to know, we want to give, we want to be top quality. I'm not looking for stardom. In fact, all I look for is respect. Uh, and stardom is for those who wear their crowns. That's okay, you can have it. Because the good thing I learned about people who and not all of them are brilliant, but it doesn't matter because it introduces people who have had no knowledge that life is eternal and continues, and may bring them some peace and some healing, or bring them to a medium who can offer that. So it it balances out.

Charlie Kelly Medium 39:45

It does, I believe that. No, I believe that as well, and I feel that you know, I I won't want a bloody crown. I don't I think they're uncomfortable. I don't even like the look of them. No to that, but it does attract it attracts a lot of ego as well, mediumship. And like you said earlier, you know, it requires ego for the very ability of us getting up feeling that we can do it. There's, you know, so it's yeah, there's a lot going on there.

SPEAKER_02 40:10

It's it's about balance, it's about the balance. And speaking of crowns, I I'm gonna give you a funny story here. Well, it's not really a funny story, actually. Years ago, and of course I'm naive, we don't really know anything about the spiritualists and how they work, and they have naming ceremonies, and that wasn't that what it's called, a spiritual naming service, and so I was, I think we were in Middlesbrough, and I wasn't going to go back after lunch, and something I was just laying on the bed, and I and I said, Oh god, I better go back over, or Raya'll kill me. Well, she wouldn't have killed me, but I went back in. The room was all different, there were chairs all set up, and it was a naming service, and I was one of the naimies. So Eric Hatton gave me my spirit name. I'm forever honored. I didn't understand at the time what it was. I was going, oh, that's all very nice. Yes, thanks very much. And but but obviously now I I do have a great depth of respect and under I did have a depth of respect and understanding, and Eric, what a beautiful man he is, was. Um, but my spirit name is Diadem, right? Oh

– The meaning of “Diadem” and remembering who we really are

SPEAKER_02 41:27

which is Crown, which is Princess. So I kind of laugh at their one, you know. I share my share my crown with you, Jason. You can you can have it.

Charlie Kelly Medium 41:35

I'll take half a crown. I think that would be quite nice. Yeah. At the front. Well a katiara.

SPEAKER_02 41:41

Yeah. So it is very interesting that I didn't know what it was. And it wasn't But you know what's funny about that?

Charlie Kelly Medium 41:48

What do you now why do you now respect it? Because I've I was once in a situation like you were on a course where someone gave me my spirit power name, an animal name. And I do you know what? I can't even remember what it was now, but it sounded ridiculous. It was something like something to do with the bald eagle. But it was something to do with the bald eagle, and it was much earlier in my journey where my bald patch was getting a bit bigger on the top, and I thought, what's he calling the bald eagle? So I think I forgot it.

SPEAKER_02 42:21

I've got it tattooed on me on my 15th birthday. So what it's a bit it's a bit dull now, so it just meant and I'm going back again. I'm I know I'm jumping around a bit too that thing I was to the journey of the souls, and I mean the essence of that was remember who you are, but but it the princess thing came through again. Now I am not egotistical, I really am not, and I mean I'm kind of embarrassed even saying it, but it is important to know that you are not Jason, you are this soul that's beloved by so many on this earth, but more so in spirit world, and so Jason is your human name. Yeah, so I I just find it fascinating that people feel the need. I I perhaps not so much now, you know, that's what I was saying is your spirit named sitting bull with ten feathers. What what what is that? What is that? You know, it's but for some people that's it, that's important. And and for others, it's you know, why can't your name just be James? Why my one of my spirit guides, her name is Jane. I mean, well, you know.

Charlie Kelly Medium 43:49

But do you know what as you were saying that it was making me think about c you know, as you were saying that, like almost calling your soul a different name because your soul is eternal. And What we do attach, and I do this is I go, Oh, my soul, my you know, my soul is me. Well, it's Jason. Well, no, it's not. Jason is the human identity ego, and to have that to almost call your soul another name is is quite an interesting concept in itself, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 44:15

I I think so. And the fact that I'm a princess now, you see. No, no, no, no, no.

Charlie Kelly Medium 44:22

My soul's bowing down to you. I wanted to be the gentleman.

SPEAKER_02 44:26

And and very, very proper order too. But it's just all these other I mean, in Catholicism, you're baptized, do you see, and you're given this name. So in spiritualism or the spirit, you're you're given the name that you're known as. Now, it is a human who has brought it forward to you. Now, Eric Hatton, I'm very honored, because he was just so lovely, but he sat with his guides and its guides gave him that name. Now, I'm not a skeptic, but I do research and I do question.

Charlie Kelly Medium 45:04

I am quite a skeptic. I I would say I I am cynic, perhaps, but not cynic. Yeah, actually, yeah, maybe that is a better word, cynic. I I was a skeptic, but these days I am a cynic.

SPEAKER_02 45:19

Yeah, but the reason you're that is because you're very real and very authentic.

Charlie Kelly Medium 45:25

So you know when there's bullshit, and you know, oh yeah, my bullshit detector is highly tuned these days. I've had years of reading candidates doing recruitments as well, like you know, and negotiating based on ego using psychic skills and a background of being a police officer. You know, I I used to have a hunch like you wouldn't believe many a lifetime ago.

SPEAKER_01 45:46

You were a Bobby?

Charlie Kelly Medium 45:48

I was in my twenties. I was it didn't work for me. It was it was like draining my soul of every last each positivity.

SPEAKER_02 45:56

Every time I went to Britain, I loved the British Bobbies. Either everyone around me knew, oh, there's a bobby for you there.

Charlie Kelly Medium 46:03

Oh, you're talking about the big hat. You like the big hat.

SPEAKER_02 46:07

Yeah, I did I did actually like the detectives at the airport too.

Charlie Kelly Medium 46:12

I just that's where they used to keep the handsome ones hidden, keep them out of the way.

SPEAKER_02 46:18

It must have been the power about them or something, but anyway, uh yeah. It was it was interesting times. And so all of these experiences that we have bring us to the now. And what is the now? What do you want it to be? Where have you been? And and I find and this is where my studies have helped me outside of spiritualism and and psychic work. It has helped me understand the human need. And I I've had my own needs, still do, obviously, and hurts and needing to get through things and spirit are going to assist in the healing, but they're not going to heal you, they're going to give you that. You know, I'm here for you, I I'm I'm okay. So we can be at peace with that, we can find solace. Excuse me. Now there's there was a a passing in our family recently. My nephew, a parent how can a parent recover from the loss of their

– Grief, healing and the human need behind mediumship

SPEAKER_02 47:27

child? I can't see, I can't see. So that would that haunts haunted me. I remember my father was laid out and I kind of went, Thanks be to God, it's not my child. I don't know why I said that, but I remember it was such a powerful feeling. And it it affected me in my connection with someone's daughter or son because I couldn't understand the emotion, it was too much for me, and and that loss is so overpowering, and so I had to work hard to be able to work through that. And yes, it's easier now, but easier only in that I have learned to restrain my emotions in that way. So and it's just interesting because you know, we all have grandparents, you you can't be here without them, you know. And why do I always get grandparents? You you know, because they're easy. Like aunts, you can get uncles, nieces, nephews, cousins, children, all of that kind of thing. And it's about opening your mind to everything, but I had mine closed to that aspect.

Charlie Kelly Medium 48:50

So that's I can understand that, yeah, even in my own mediumship, because I've I tend to go at the moment through cycles where I will have I'm going through I think the spirit world are being very kind to me at the moment because they're just giving me all the sort of jovial, nice spirits at the moment in my developments. I've always got the the the loud person that probably is very mirroring of where I'm at, they're being very nice. But even I went through a period of uh bringing through some children, and I you don't have children, and for me, I can understand it's very individual and it's all about the experiences you've had and what's you know happened in your consciousness, your and it all has an impact, you know. And I think the spirit world they pick their medium so carefully.

SPEAKER_02 49:38

They do, yes. And it's uh if they use our bank of knowledge, our bank of experiences, but it was said to me, I can't even remember who by or when, but you know, so why am I always getting grandparents? Why am I always getting aunties or uncles? Because this was that I don't know if this is true, but it's a nice thing to think of because an auntie has come in to you to me, and I've spoken with your aunt, I've given all that information, and she goes to our pals on spirit side and says she's really good with ants, aunties, so you're gonna get a load of them after the other. Now that's that's a lovely way to visualize it. But I actually think there's an essence of truth.

Charlie Kelly Medium 50:22

But then why even went through a period of keep getting people who had struggled with addiction constantly? And I think, why is this happening person after person? And there's something in that.

SPEAKER_02 50:35

I think there's something in that

– Why certain spirit communicators may choose certain mediums

SPEAKER_02 50:37

it's it's it's the ability to blend with that energy, and so the answers that person who's had an addiction is said, Oh, he's a cool guy, he he he doesn't judge for a start, so we can blend really well and give our truth. Do you say even me just saying that now?

Charlie Kelly Medium 50:57

I've probably just cosmically put that out there in some telephone directory now. Oh, that that'll that'll be me for the next year now.

SPEAKER_02 51:05

Yeah, but you can also say I I appreciate that you come forward to work with me, but allow others in as well.

Charlie Kelly Medium 51:15

You know, you oh I kind of embrace it. I look at myself as I'll look at myself as any messenger. I've been known for having a niche within a niche.

SPEAKER_02 51:25

I don't know if I have a niche. I don't know. I have a nephew. I don't have a niche. I don't joke you sorry. Cut that out, will you? I can't cut that out.

Charlie Kelly Medium 51:36

Yeah, just we can cut out bits if you like. Do you know what? You explain things so b beautifully with so much humour, and I I I feel that so many things that you've even said has uh you know given me light bulb moments.

SPEAKER_02 51:53

Good. We need them, we need them, and I years ago, I I can restrain my emotions very well because I learned that as a child, not to show because then you're you know picked on or you're vulnerable. So when I started going to over to Vi and Doris to those weekends, and it was in a church, right? And because every year they they'd go to a church for three years, they'd have the two sessions in that church, and any money raised from those weekends they gave to the church, which was brilliant. But that's an aside. So, and also they used to bring the likes of the tutors that taught in the college. I didn't know anything about this college. I just said, ah, here I'm gonna have to go and find out about this college, and I fell in love with it, but um, I've gone off track again. So, what was I saying?

Charlie Kelly Medium 52:49

You were talking about you got me lost now because you started talking about the college again. The problem is we're as bad as each other. You take me down a rabbit hole and then I've gone down. Is that sorry? No, but that's a good thing. That's a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 53:03

We're a bit like YouTube in the evening, we just can't get on it. Just keep following it. Um sorry, supposed to be. Sorry, go on. I don't know what I was going to say, so you go on.

Charlie Kelly Medium 53:19

Look, I honestly can't remember now what you were saying because I got lost on what you were just saying about the college because that gave me another light bulb moment. I think you made so many beautiful points, and I I can tell that you've been through so many of your journey just feels so rich, and almost like there's humour in it. And I can just imagine people in the spirit world even wanting to pick you and going, Oh, honestly, her energy, because you make me love.

SPEAKER_03 53:45

Yeah, yeah.

Charlie Kelly Medium 53:47

But do you know what? We have a bit of an honour here of people leaving us on a final thought, and I feel like I've just kind of put you on the spot with that now. But I'd really like people to close the episode. So, what message or theme or final thought would you like to leave us on today?

SPEAKER_02 54:03

Okay, there's so many of them. As you can see, we won't go around into that rabbit hole of thought processes. Look, in my life, I I have struggled with myself so, so very much. And when I began to learn to trust that I was worthy of the spirit coming forward, which is about

– Final reflections: healing, hope and not comparing yourself

SPEAKER_02 54:27

faith, really, I began to settle into myself. And healing is really important psychologically, spiritually, physically, mentally, all of those things. So if you ever feel you're in need, go seek it. There will be the hand of kindness always ready to reach out for you. Listen to the, you know, meditation, you don't have to almond out for an hour, right? You can just go for a five-minute walk wherever you're if it's in a cement city or if it's in a park, whatever is good for you, go for it. Do not compare yourself to another. That's what I would say. If you see something or someone you like, aspire to it. Ask for guidance and how you can achieve it. Uh, and I have so many. Yeah, I could just keep going on on just this little thing.

Charlie Kelly Medium 55:20

I find I love it. I'd go, I can have another hour of your final thoughts.

SPEAKER_02 55:25

So, really, my my my statement is it's onwards and upwards. That's what I have on my website. Onwards and upwards. You know, never feel that there's no more. Hope is always present, even if you can't feel it, it is being shone on you. Light is always there, and darkness cannot touch light. Light will keep the dark away.

Charlie Kelly Medium 55:53

Absolutely. A lovely final thought to leave us on. All that leaves me all that leaves me to say, Susan, is thank you, my darling, for coming onto the Soul Screen.

SPEAKER_02 56:04

You're most welcome. Thank you ever so much for inviting me.

Charlie Kelly Medium 56:09

Well, there we go. I absolutely loved Susan. Um, which made me smile a lot in that conversation. And absolutely, uh, darkness is just the absence of light. And we have to really protect ourselves as sensitive people because it's, you know, I do think dark people tend to get attracted to our light. So, you know, it's like a plant. You don't uh have a plant that's failing and uh, you know, leaves dropping off of it. Blame the plant. You blame the environment. Is it the lack of light? Is it uh being watered correctly, and so on. And even um fear, the only thing that exists, and we learn this when we go to the spirit world back home, is love is the only thing that exists. So I have to catch myself when I have fear-based thoughts and remind myself to move back to that state of love. Do remember, uh, I've now got a monthly newsletter, um, sent out the other one the first day. Lots of fun. Sign up, jasonpaulmedium.com, go down to the bottom of the show page, and until next time, lots of love.