The Gifts We Were Never Taught to Understand | William FitzRoy

William FitzRoy on sensitivity, intuition, healing, and why the traits that once made you feel different may be part of your power. 

Some of the things that make you feel different may be the very things you were never taught to understand.

In this episode of Soul Sync, Jason Paul is joined by psychic, medium and teacher William FitzRoy for a thoughtful conversation about sensitivity, intuition, identity, healing, and learning to trust the quieter parts of yourself.

William shares how childhood experiences of spirit, imagination and feeling different eventually led him to discover psychic meditation — a moment that gave him language for something he had felt his whole life.

Together, Jason and William explore why so many sensitive people can feel isolated, why spiritual development is not about escaping ordinary life, and how intuition can become a grounded, practical part of your work, relationships and everyday decisions.

They also discuss the inner work behind mediumship: stillness, self-awareness, healing, nervous-system regulation, energetic boundaries, and the freedom that comes when you stop needing other people to validate what you know within yourself.

This is not only an episode for mediums, psychics or spiritual practitioners. It is for anyone who has ever felt deeply, noticed more than they could explain, or wondered whether the parts of themselves they once tried to hide might actually be a gift.

In this episode

• Why sensitive people can feel isolated in the modern world
• Growing up with spirit, imagination and a sense of being different
• The meditation class that changed William’s life
• The “New New Age” and bringing spirituality into real life
• Balancing intuition with career, ambition and ordinary responsibilities
• Why mediumship and psychic development are more like an art than a science
• Healing, projection, emotional regulation and spiritual maturity
• Learning to trust your intuition without needing anyone else’s approval

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Transcript

— The Gift You Were Never Taught to Understand

Charlie Kelly Medium 0:02

Welcome back to the SoulSync podcast. It's me, Psychic Medium Jason Paul. This is the podcast for curious souls, deep thinkers, recovering overthinkers, and anyone trying to make sense of the parts of themselves they were never taught to understand. Now, today's episode is called The Gifts You Are Never Taught to Understand, ironically. This is a conversation I will say I recorded a little while ago, back in January, with William Fitzroy. And listening back to it now, I find myself hearing it in a completely different way. At the time we recorded this, I was still balancing and stepping between two very different worlds. I was running the business in recruitment for lawyers I'd built over many years, whilst also trying to make more room for mediumship, my connection with the spirit world, spirituality, and the parts of me that had always known the whole time that there was something more beneath the surface. It's just taken me what feels like a long time to get there. Here, I tell you that. So a lot has changed since the time of this recording. And perhaps that is why this conversation feels so relevant to me now. Because it is really about what happens when we stop trying to fit into the version of ourselves that feels acceptable to everyone else. Now you know what I mean by that, don't you? And it's really about starting to become more honest about who we are. So William and I, we talk about sensitivity, intuition, identity, being different, uh, the pressures to hide parts of yourself. And um, me and William could both relate to that, um, being gay uh men, and it was very difficult for both of us um in younger parts of our lives. So it's uh we also talk about the strange journey of realizing that the qualities you may once have thought were a weakness can actually become part of your strength, and that's very relevant to mediumship because how many of you listening to this podcast right now have been told that you're too sensitive, being told that you should, you know, just let that go or whatever. Um, and that's really a key thing for sensitive people. You know, I have to I don't want to be around like really stressful or even stressful situations. I want to protect my energy because especially when we're opening ourselves to mediumship, we're already in a heightened state. And you know, everyone listening to this podcast is going to be on different levels of sensitivity. But the the journey, and if you're unfolding your mediumship, what you are doing is turning up that sensitivity dial. So you do not need to call yourself a medium, a psychic healer, a spiritual person, or anything at all to connect to this episode. But maybe you have always felt things deeply, maybe you pick up on people's moods before they even say a word. That seems to be a very specialist skill of mine, I tell you that's starting. So without further ado, this is my conversation with William FitzRoy.

— Meet William: sensitivity, connection and feeling isolated

Charlie Kelly Medium 3:33

So, William Fitzroy, welcome. Thank you. It's so nice to be here with you.

SPEAKER_04 3:38

Yeah, thanks. I've been having kind of making the rounds and having conversations with people that I find interesting. To me, it's all about connection and connecting with other sensitives and other psychics and mediums out there. You know, I think all of us for a variety of different reasons may be feeling a little isolated right now or a little kind of in our own thing. So I've made it a personal mission for myself last year and this year to do a little more sort of reaching out to other people doing the work and having conversations with them in hopes of fostering connection. And I thought being on a podcast is an interesting way to do that because other people get to kind of witness that and be a part of that conversation.

Charlie Kelly Medium 4:17

Why do you think a lot of us, um, as you say, sensitive people are having a hard time? What why do you feel that is?

SPEAKER_04 4:24

Well, maybe that's just because I'm in the United States and having a hard time over here at the moment. I I feel like the pressure of kind of what's happening in culture and society and you know, economically and socially and all that stuff, even though you know it's easy to kind of separate oneself from that and find the truth in that and find the growth in that and you know, say hello to like what's really happening, which is maybe a little less uh intense or dangerous than sometimes it seems on the surface, just has a tendency to kind of make people feel a little isolated or alone.

Charlie Kelly Medium 5:03

Because you are a medium, that that's correct, isn't it? See, we're both in the same world.

SPEAKER_04 5:10

Yeah. So I um I kind of call myself something different depending on the context, but I do psychic readings, clairvoyant readings. I also work and function as a medium a lot, and then more than all that, and certainly over the last five to ten years, consider myself more of an educator and a teacher because I teach classes and all those things and have a passion for not only sharing what I've learned that sort of helps me in my practice and do what I do, but help other people kind of foster those gifts in whatever way they choose. And that may not be about being a professional medium or professional psychic and maybe tools for other things.

Charlie Kelly Medium 5:49

How did you how did the spirit first come to touch you? And and what was the sort of story behind that, William?

SPEAKER_04 5:56

Yeah, I you know, I've always been connected to or in communication with, I guess, with spirit, as people would say. I think as a as a kid or in my childhood, I was very sensitive to energy. I was very sensitive to out-of-body beings and energies. I had, you know, more imaginary friends and I think my parents knew what to do with. And I think playing with my imaginary friends and being in communication with them, which now I would identify as sort of out-of-body entities and beings, felt almost more real than the friends I had in school and growing up. So, you know, looking back on my childhood, I think I was always a medium. I just didn't have the language or the context to understand it as such. So, what I found was refuge in the arts, which I think

— Growing up sensitive: spirit, imagination and belonging

SPEAKER_04 6:45

a lot of sensitive people do. So got very involved in music and theater and other ways of kind of channeling that creative energy to express. And one thing that's interesting about that that I like to share is that I thought everyone did that. So, you know what I mean? So, like here I am, this like super sensitive child who's like communicating with you know Mickey Mouse or Elliot from Pete's Dragon, which was popular Disney film hero. Thinking that everybody had that kind of communication or that kind of imagination.

Charlie Kelly Medium 7:19

Well, you only know your own reality, don't you? And you know, we only we all associate that our world is the way the world is, and uh that's also what limits us a lot in our lives is our perception of the world. So I can understand if that's your reality. But I I'm guessing your your parents must have been very accepting and nurturing of this ability of yours rather than shutting it down.

SPEAKER_04 7:43

There it's a that was a complex situation, but I think they did their best kind of navigating that with me and helping me sort of find community and outlets to, you know, feel safe and supported in that. But I thought all the people I was like, oh, this is what theater people are like, you know, and then so I started getting really involved in theater and sort of did that all through, you know, grade school and high school and secondary school and all that, and quickly realized, like, no, that's like no, not all theater people are sensitive. And like, that's not the common denominator of all this. Then as I sort of moved into like later adolescence, started to identify that I was gay. And so, like, I was like, oh, so this like sensitive, like imaginative, like communication with spirit thing that I do, this must be what like gay people do and are like, and so moved from like identifying this gift as sort of you know being attuned to the arts to being attuned in with my sexuality and my preferences.

Charlie Kelly Medium 8:42

Well, I can relate to that that point as well, because well, it's it's complex, isn't it? Because uh I grew up and can understand the sensitivity bit about being gay, you know. I got that as well. There was that whole period of when I was about 11 years old, you know, I thought I liked girls, and then it went over to liking boys, but it's but then I had ADHD in the background, so I was told I was too sensitive. I associated that with being gay as well. So it's it's I can understand that point, and it's a point that you know, people who may not struggle to understand that world may not realize, and it's but we all live our own reality even with ADHD. I think everyone's on some spectrum or another. Like, what what is normal, William? What is normal?

SPEAKER_04 9:30

Aren't we all still trying to figure that out in some way? We are so then like die, you know, I'm kind of taking you through the whole journey here, but then kind of don't like oh, this is this is this thing that I do that I've never understood what it is that kind of makes me different in my relationships, in my point of view and perspective on the world, how I engage, it must be because I'm gay. So then it was like, oh great, okay, so I'm gay. So I got really into like being gay and like the gay community and like you know, feeling connection connection there. But you know, quickly realized, particularly through dating, that like not all gay people are like this or do this or have this kind of sensitivity and awareness to energy and spirit. So then what happened was I that kind of collided with leaving university and moving to the city in my early 20s and kind of starting my own life. And at that point, like really kind of hit what I think some people will call like rock bottom. Like, I was like, I don't understand who I am or how I fit into these constructs around me in the world, and all these communities that I had found that I was looking for that answer in had not provided that. So I was really in kind of a rough, rough way at that time and didn't know what was happening to me and kind of felt overwhelmed and overloaded. And I ended up being connected through a by a roommate that I had at the time to a meditation class that was based on like a technique called psychic meditation, and it's kind of like all using meditation as a tool to be aware of energy. And took that class and it was a two-hour class, and an hour into the class, I was sitting there just like with my jaw

— The meditation class that changed everything

SPEAKER_04 11:11

on the ground. And I remember going up to the teacher at the break, and I was like, I have no idea what this is, and I don't even know what you mean by psychic. Like, I don't understand any of this, but whatever this is, this is what I have been looking for my whole life. Like, no one has ever talked about energy, about spirit, about self-awareness. In the terms and construct in which you're presenting here today, I was like, I don't, whatever this is, I'm like all in on it. Why did it hit you so hard in that instant? Because I think it was a hello to my spirit. Like, there was a part of me that was so used to being receptive and aware of energy from others. And part of what these techniques that I learned, and now I sort of teach some stuff based on this, has all to do with not only being sensitive to energy, being sort of receptive, but then also being able to change energy and to affect energy. And I find that a lot of sensitives get overwhelmed and overburdened by that sensitivity because no one's ever taught them it's like a it's kind of like a bicep and a tricep, right? Like how how strong you are in sensitivity, you are equally and opposite that strong in your ability to direct and change energy. And so finally having somebody provide that kind of language and context to it like really felt empowering and like a strong kind of like hello to something inside of me.

Charlie Kelly Medium 12:41

It's like in that one moment, it sort of changed the entire direction of your life and everything you were doing in instant.

— Learning to work with energy instead of being overwhelmed

SPEAKER_04 12:50

Yeah. And you know, I ended up studying with a bunch of different teachers for about 15 years, and you know, about 10 years ago started sort of teaching on my own and really kind of working on relanguaging and sort of integrating psychic and clairvoyant and mediumship tools to be what I feel is like relevant to what I've been calling the new new age. I feel like we're kind of in a new new age, and so what we would think of as the new age has kind of passed and ended, and things need to be kind of moved around a little bit.

Charlie Kelly Medium 13:23

What do you think is the general kind of because obviously in England we have spiritualist churches, it's a religion here, you know. I've come because I go to courses and there's always so many American people on my courses who are mediums because they they don't have that as much in America, so they sort of come over to England to go to the Hogwarts equivalent. How is it fitting into society there? You know, what's it are people waking up to it, do you think?

SPEAKER_04 13:56

Yeah, and I think part of part of that work is you know, like what European cultures, and I'm gonna include the UK in that, like, have a long lineage of that kind of spiritualist tradition. And you know, America as a country was founded very puritanically and under a very different kind of dogma than I think the rest of Europe has sort of historically. So we have sort of a different relationship to spirituality here, I think. It's it is more kind of commercial and more third chakra based than third chakra based.

Charlie Kelly Medium 14:31

So that's certainly one way to

— The “New New Age”: spirituality in modern life

Charlie Kelly Medium 14:33

put it, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 14:34

Yeah, like it's kind of a thing you do rather than a thing you are.

Charlie Kelly Medium 14:37

That's also a very American kind of yeah, sort of practicing it rather than being um it's I can understand that. I I guess the very essence of American society is you know, the American dream, it's materialistic, it's you know, about the the biggest house, the biggest car. That's what success is defined as. It's you know, that is the DNA of America. So it's it's but that's also society is built up on the scarcity mindset, isn't it? That's how society is ordered. So, you know, I could imagine yeah, I think culturally it's it's interesting, and then you go to the very east and then they have these teachings which are so you know based in the old and the old ways, and it's you know, it's interesting. So you sort of was talking to me before we got uh sort of going, so to speak, as you know, one of the things that resonated to you, which was why you reached out, was about the trying to walk with a foot in both worlds and how challenging that is. And I can relate to that totally because uh, you know, I run a business of my own, which is a full-time job. I'd love to do this kind of thing, you know, full-time, just sit here and talk to lovely people like yourself, William. That'd be very nice. That should be the start of my day, and then as the day goes through. But you know, it that is very difficult, and it's very difficult as well when you're being bombarded with you know, muggle matters all day long, matters of the ego and whatever. And it can be very hard for a sensitive person to live what you know is a spiritual life, which I guess is a life with intent, trying to be present, trying to be grounded. How do you navigate this, William, in today's world? It's very difficult, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 16:23

Yeah, this is something I have like a particular kind of passion about. I when I started this work 20 some years ago, I made a decision at the time that I I don't know that I understood what I was doing, but now looking back, I kind of like understand from you know, from an older, wiser version of me, kind of why I made some of the choices I made. And that was, you know, I was studying stuff with a lot of people who kind of went, you know, head first all in on spiritual study and spiritual practice and like making this their whole thing. I decided very early on not to do that and to continue having my corporate career alongside of that. Now, I was able to I've been freelance my whole career, so and a contractor for people. So like I do intense work for a short amount of time and then I get the the benefit of a few months off in between. So like Oh, that sounds lovely, William. Sign me up. It was very nice, but like I somehow managed to create a rhythm where like these two things don't compete, they kind of work together. But you manifested that I did, but I think that's also because there's something that I'm here to teach about that to people. And to me, what that has to do with is like I said earlier,

— Walking between the spiritual and corporate worlds

SPEAKER_04 17:39

the new new age. So I'm gonna bring this back to my sort of origin story. Think about like 20, 25 years ago, I took a c I remember taking my first class on like spirit guides, and I was so I was so scandalized. I was like, oh my god, I can't tell anything in this class, right? Like people are gonna think I'm crazy, you know. It was like this kind of well.

Charlie Kelly Medium 18:02

I don't dare mention uh, you know, what I do at work. I've been told off by my mum for a few a few times she works in the same business as me. She said, Don't bring the psychic and the medium stuff in, it be you know, it's your worldview. These people that you manage are 22, 23. They're and I've come to the conclusion that people think I'm mad enough, William, without mentioning that I'm you know, having a psychic download or whatever it might be. Right.

SPEAKER_04 18:27

So, like when I think back to that time, like now you go to like Target or Boots or something.

Charlie Kelly Medium 18:35

I mean Thank you for making it British. We like that. We like that. Thank you. I'm a frequent traveler.

SPEAKER_04 18:41

When you go to Target or something, they sell like aromatherapy at Target. It's like all the things that were once this kind of like new agey, like, what is that? That's weird, like now it's so integrated into pop culture in a certain way that like none of that is really that taboo anymore. And that's why I call it the new new age, is because like somehow all that's kind of integrated into the undercurrent of everything. Now the challenge for people, I think, is how to bring these abilities into your whole life without having to call it that. So for instance, I'm working with statements all the time. I'm reading people all the time. I'm reading energy, I'm reading energy dynamics, I'm reading all sorts of things all the time. I'm just not telling anybody that I'm doing that while I'm doing it. But that doesn't mean I can't use the information I get from that to inform decisions that I make, ways that I support my clients and my colleagues and my the businesses that I work for. It's removing the element of needing anyone else to validate it for you. When you really own something and internalize it, you don't need anyone else to tell you that you're right or to validate that you're doing it well or do, you know, or that it's valid or important. You kind of just own it and do it. And so integrating those two things requires sort of extracting the need for validation from it and then just sort of being it and doing it and letting that sort of help you and your goals as much as you would help someone else and their goals in a reading or a session.

Charlie Kelly Medium 20:21

It's interesting because I I can understand you you make a very valid point there because for years I would, well, for years I wouldn't know I was a psychic. I would be using psychic skills in my role of recruitment, not realizing that

— Using intuition without needing permission or validation

Charlie Kelly Medium 20:36

it was psychic skills that I was using. And even when I in my days of being a police officer, I would get hunches about things, gut feelings. I wouldn't know, you know, how to describe them in any other way, because at that point I was an atheist. But then even in my job now, you know, I don't say that I'm using it. That's what that's probably the point my mum's don't start saying that you're having a psychic download, no one understands and why tell them, you know, but yes, you do blend the two. And why would you not? If you're you know, if you're getting that you're using uh we're to be quite honest, you're using in intelligence there. Why would you want to use your head in matters when the head is all about, you know, uh with the the ego, isn't it? Just runs away with you. Why would you want to use that uh asset of you know yourself when you can use your psychic matters and it and by blending the two, um it's it's allowing you more to live your soul's plan, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 21:35

Uh yeah, and to really be integrated and have those abilities and that sensitivity not be something that you just do at the spiritualist church on Sunday or you just do when somebody's paying you $100 for a reading. It instead becomes this thing that you have and that you deploy and that you use in a variety of different circumstances and settings. And to me, at least in my experience, That's infinitely more validating than giving a reading once a week and having somebody tell me I did a good job and then putting it away and packing it away and then like waiting for the next opportunity to do that. Instead, it's kind of like a whole you.

Charlie Kelly Medium 22:16

It makes sense, doesn't it? And that's what what it should be, rather than this thing that you pack away and put under the stairs. But it's I guess it's about realizing that you know that power that you have is a power that's within you that's always there, that's ever present. Why would you want to shut that down anyway? But you go through these periods of growth, don't you, with your with your mediumship and your psychic work? You know, I think what's in the journey of becoming a medium is is one of healing, and then by virtue of you healing, you go on to heal other people. Oh, what a beautiful cat you've got there in the background. We like that, William. We're we're cat fans here on the soul sink. So you've been obviously uh helping people since 2008 with things like energy. How do you go about supporting people, you know, th through energy work and how do you harness that? And how can people help themselves, you know, importantly?

SPEAKER_04 23:21

This is where my background in the arts has been incredibly helpful and useful. So I believe and feel very strongly that psychic abilities, mediumship abilities, the ability to be

— Mediumship as an art: why structure creates freedom

SPEAKER_04 23:38

to sense and shift energy is more like an art than a science. And if you treated it as such, I think people would have better and more access to those abilities within themselves. So I had the good fortune, as I mentioned in my origin story, of spending most of my formative years in artistic conservatory style education programs, both at school, in co-curriculars. And then I went to a university, I studied theater directing and was at a like a really great conservatory program in university. And what people don't realize about the art, like people who really commit to an art, whether it's you know, ceramics and pottery or visual art or acting, it looks like they're just making stuff up, that it's just sort of coming out of them. But that's not actually true. The ones who are really good at it have a very strong structural foundation in a craft that supports their imagination coming through as the art. So the example that I like to use in this case is like with actors, and this is because I I come from theater, so I know I know how to teach it. For an actor, you memorize your lines, so and that's like a rote, you know, you gotta just sit and like memorize your lines, and then you learn blocking. So you learn, like, oh, on this line I move here, and then this person does this, and then I take that, you know, and you have to memorize all this stuff. And then the really good actors, and I I always have to call out I'm like, I'm talking about like real actors, not just like celebrities, which is a different thing, like totally different what we would think of as like masters of this craft, right? You learn all this stuff, you memorize all the moves, you do all the things, and then you get on stage and you forget it. And you let instinct take over because you've already sort of trained your body what to say and where to move and how to do it, right? So you've given your body the structure that it needs to feel safe and do the thing, but then you're also at the same time kind of opening up for inspiration and imagination very real. So, having gone through this kind of education my whole life, what I've been doing is how do you apply that same structure and container to something like clairvoyance or mediumship or psychic abilities? And it actually like works really, really well. So, what you do is you teach people how to hold energy and how to hold their own energy, almost like a yoga, like a posture, right? And then once you have the foundations of that and your body feels safe and your body feels supported, and you feel like you know, you have tools to rely on. If I see something really weird, what do I do with that? If I see something that makes me uncomfortable as a seer, what do what do I do? These are all questions that can be answered in a craft and with form. So if you give someone a form and then they learn it, then what happens is you move into the art of it because you have all these tools and these things to fall back on in those moments where you don't know what to do. And that actually gives you more freedom. It's almost paradoxical, Jason, because it's like in order to have freedom, you have to give it first structure.

Charlie Kelly Medium 27:00

You do because you do because what what you're trying to learn essentially is a habit and a way of being, and you're trying to teach yourself a new way of interacting with the world as well, because to even get to the point of being able to succeed and I don't I don't really like using the term successfully meditate, but even to be able to get to the point of quieting quieting one's mind, that could be a nightmare for well, I say it could be a nightmare for some people, it was a nightmare for me. It took me absolutely ages to be even able to get to that point. But then, you know, you go through these journeys where you know, again, if you're wanting to live your full potential in life, but you've got a number of limiting beliefs, you want to make a lot of money, it could be, but you know, deep down you have a limiting belief that you're not worth that. Well, you're never going to get it. So you have to go through a lot of this self-work. And, you know, I think a lot of the time spirituality and spiritual matters can be glamorised. You know, you see sort of see the nice lady sitting there, very white teeth, dazzling, you know, a little sparkle coming off her there, you know, living one's best life, thinking you have to be white of the white in order to, you know, progress. And uh, you know, so I I think that we, well, a lot of us assume that even, you know, when we when we die, we sort of sat there judged about do we get to enter the gates of heaven or are we passed back down to some other murkier level? So there's you know, we there's so much judgment out there, William. So much judgment. So, how how do you go about then? You've got someone who comes to you, a typical American professional who's absolutely lost in you know the stress of their career, wanting to come into 2026 to live their best life, wanting to manifest, wanting to take control and to have the happiest life. What would you say to them, William?

SPEAKER_04 28:58

Well, you first have to learn how to close your eyes, find the stillness of being, and become aware of your own inner life and sit with that and the complexity of that and the traumas of that, and like you're saying, all that unresolved conflict we have within ourselves that we carry until you get on that healing journey. So many people come to this work wanting to help others, which I think is so noble and so wonderful. And the world needs more healers. I'm not like I don't think anybody would refute that statement, right? I agree with that. But you can't truly heal anyone else until you are healed enough within yourself to be able to sit with someone and have a regulated nervous system and not match or attune to somebody else's panic or stress or freak out or trauma. And so, you know, the way that my academy is structured, it's you know, short-term classes, 10 weeks, 20 weeks. But the foundational clairvoyant practice is really like a year-long training because it really takes that long. First of all, to learn how to sit with yourself. We've forgotten that as a culture, mostly thank you to the internet for that. I don't know about you, but like when I was a kid, I could sit for six hours and read a whole book. I was uh

— The real work: stillness, healing and nervous-system regulation

SPEAKER_04 30:28

an avid reader as a child. I I could go through a book or two in a weekend. Now, sitting and reading for two hours, like part of me is like, I can't even handle this anymore.

Charlie Kelly Medium 30:37

You know, it's like it's well, we're just living in a world of just crazy distraction, the shortest attention span imaginable. Yeah, and it and it's just getting worse. It is getting worse, which is why you know I think there needs to be healthy boundaries with one's electronic device. That that's a good first step.

SPEAKER_04 30:57

But that uh that very directly correlates to something like sitting in meditation and channeling for an hour in a session with somebody. Like you that your consciousness, your attention is a musculature. And so you first have to train the muscles to work properly. And you know, people don't always expect or think that that's you know, I had a student I was working with recently, had been working with me for maybe two or three months, and you know, came to a session and was like, okay, this has been great, but like when do we get to the good, like when do we get to the magic? And I was like, I don't know that that will happen for you when when you're ready for it, and I'm just gonna sit here and hold the space until one day that happens. But I can't make that happen for you, and you can't make that happen for you. A lot of it is very personalized in that way. There isn't like, and that's similar to acting or painting, you know.

Charlie Kelly Medium 31:52

You can train and train and train, and then one day you wake up and you're like, oh, you get that moment of inspiration, that download that just comes to you. Yes. Mmm, it's all very interesting. So it sounds like, you know, with your community that you've got, you know, a large part of everything that you do in your life now is dedicated to helping people in one way or another.

SPEAKER_04 32:20

I mean, I also do a bunch of stupid corporate crap. So that's very kind of you to say, Jason. And I'd like to be able to say, yes, that's what, but like, you know, half or three quarters of my life is also spent in you know, meetings with corporate clients who, you know, want me to execute some kind of creative brief or do something like that. And like there's no there's no sort of surface level spiritual satisfaction with that. But the satisfaction that I get is being able to be myself in those experiences and not feel like I have to become someone else to be in that world.

Charlie Kelly Medium 32:54

What's the greatest lesson you feel for the spirit world have ever taught you?

SPEAKER_03 33:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 33:11

The dynamics of projection and how all that unresolved stuff that I was talking about inside of us, we will project it onto the world or onto other people until we resolve it within ourselves. We never want it to be about us. We always think it's something else doing it to us. And that doesn't mean that like things aren't doing it to us all the time. But when you have sort of your neutrality with that and your space with that, those things become easy to solve and to manage. It's when we get caught with unresolved self within ourselves that we project it onto other people and other things and try to avoid it.

Charlie Kelly Medium 33:54

Well, you see, you see it all the time, don't you? In people who, you know, it's oh, it's the world is so bad to me, it's someone else's fault. Oh, this boss, uh, you know, it's someone else's fault that I haven't got this promotion and whatever. It's you know, like the chip on your shoulder syndrome, and it, you know, a lot of people live their life in that way. And you know, I've never been about that. I've always uh typically had a high level of you know drive and knowing that you know what you put out is what you get back. Well, William, would you like to leave us on a closing thought or monologue or whatever you would like to close your episode of

— The lesson of projection and personal responsibility

Charlie Kelly Medium 34:35

the soul sink? Ever relating it back to theater, that is my love language.

SPEAKER_04 34:39

Yes. I I think I just really feel like in this new new age, this time that we're in and where we're going as human beings on this planet, sharing space, is that the being a psychic, being a medium, being sensitive to energy, working with energy, those of us that have been in that have just been ahead of the curve and on the cusp. And it's really time for everyone to wake up to that. And that doesn't mean that everyone has to talk to dead people or everybody has to, you know, learn how to wave their hands around and move energy. It just means that connection to that ability you have within yourself to change energy in you and around you, and everyone has that ability. And I just get really excited when I see people that wouldn't normally consider themselves psychics or clairvoyants or mediums having a psychic or a clairvoyant or a medium shift experience and starting to understand that, like, this is part of our human lineage, and this is part of what everyone gets to have in the human experience. And I think that's very exciting.

Charlie Kelly Medium 35:49

Well, William, thank you very much for coming onto the Celsink. It was a delight to talk to you.

SPEAKER_04 35:55

Yeah, this was so fun. Thanks for connecting with me and for answering answering my email.

SPEAKER_02 36:01

Oh, he really made me laugh and smile a lot there. I really like talking to uh William, and it reminded me of when I went to Chicago uh a couple of years ago, my mum for my uh birthday, and I absolutely loved it there, but she uh just kept saying to me the whole time, my feet are hurting, we've walked too much.

Charlie Kelly Medium 36:18

And there was me uh sort of looking at my uh Apple Watch, celebrating that we'd done 20,000 steps, and she was not liking

— Closing: the ability to change energy is within all of us

Charlie Kelly Medium 36:25

it, I'll tell you that. Uh, do remember you can sign up to my new newsletter. I've already said one so far, and uh, quite a few of you emailed back say you like it. So uh thanks for that. If you do want to sign up to it, just go to my website, jasonpaulmedium.com, down at the bottom of the home page. You can sign up there. Um, and what I do owe you is uh a mediumship episode. And the next episode I'm working on is an update about my mediumship, and let me tell you, it's uh unfolding at the rate of knots at the moment, it seems like, after having a dry spell of not doing a lot of it for about six weeks. But I'm gonna tell you all about that on the next episode. So until then, knots of love