Mission Men Podcast
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Mission Men Podcast
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Ever wondered what it’s like to engineer the sounds that rock the world? Join us as we chat with Orlando Calzada, who takes us on an enthralling journey from Puerto Rico to the heights of the music industry. He shares stories of his work with superstars like One Direction, Lady Gaga, and Destiny's Child, and offers a peek behind the curtain of his career transitions from Atlanta to New York. Expect a mix of industry gems and light-hearted moments.
We also shine a spotlight on Keith Foust, the unsung hero of Joy Church. Keith juggles an impressive array of responsibilities—tech, audio-visual, IT, web, and more—while managing his full-time job and family life. Hear his inspiring tale of adaptability and commitment, peppered with amusing anecdotes like his daughter's comparison of his arms to Tony Stark's. Plus, we recount the chaos and creativity spawned by the COVID-19 pandemic, highlighting Orlando's pivotal role in transforming Joy Church's AV setup into a near-professional studio. This episode is a heartfelt blend of technical wizardry, personal growth, and good-natured fun.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Mission Men podcast brought to you by Mission Media Group. The Mission Men podcast, the podcast about absolutely nothing and everything. And you know just a little bit, a little bit in between. You know just a little bit. John, we have two guests for you again today. We're so excited. We've got Keith, we've got Orlando Guys. Thank you so so much for joining the show. We're so excited to have you. We're just going to have some good conversations. We're going to hang out just like we would at church.
Speaker 2I just want to say something to bring attention to myself.
Speaker 1Of course I feel like.
Speaker 2I'm in a farm right now because of how many goats are sitting around me. Yes, no we didn't plan that. That sounds so forced, though that sounds so planned. I love that sound effect so much, it is our new favorite sound effect for you. It's just for John, it's only for me when I say something, it's only for you.
Speaker 4Anything that sucks, there we go.
Speaker 1So Orlando, we kind of have a little tradition with guests. We just like to ask them questions just to kind of loosen them up, have a fun question. So where do you stand in the whole Russia-Ukraine thing? Oh no, I'm just kidding, Wow, Just kidding.
Speaker 5No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2No, don't answer that, that's a total joke.
Speaker 3That's a total joke.
Speaker 1But no, Orlando, tell us a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 3About myself, About yourself. Well, my name is Orlando. I'm a sound engineer, you want to call that. I go to Joy Church for the last seven years and I'm enjoying you guys.
Speaker 1Yeah, wow, thank you. It's been seven years. Has it been seven years? Seven years now. Well, you can't just stop there.
Speaker 3You've worked with some work with some big people. Yeah, let's talk about some of the stuff you people you work with. Um, well, so I've worked with um in the music industry.
Speaker 4Mixing records for people like one direction, lady gaga, uh, just, you know average normal people I mean, you want to hear the big names. Keep it going, keep it going, so I can start going, you know.
Speaker 3Keep it going, yeah, yeah right, right Destiny Child and some others I mean.
Speaker 1All right, so he's a star, basically. Oh, of course, no, no, no really.
Speaker 3Not really, I'm just the guy behind the star.
Speaker 1All right, so talk to us a little bit about that. So what were you doing specifically for those records?
Speaker 3Were you doing different things per record or like the same? Okay, so, yeah, yeah, name a couple things that you're. So I mean, for destiny shot did a lot of recording vocals and tracking instruments and stuff like that. Um, in the case of one direction I do, in the beginning I did a lot of recording, like everybody else. You know they start from the bottom, you know recording and serving coffee at the studio and all that stuff, and you know, little by little you start getting promoted to the next task.
Speaker 3So you started as like a runner, if you will like getting the coffee, yeah yeah, I mean I started from Puerto Rico originally, so I started first in Puerto Rico and I moved to Atlanta. And when I moved to Atlanta I already had a little bit of knowledge, so it's easy for me to move and navigate in the industry knowledge, so it's easy for me to move and navigate in the industry.
Speaker 4Um, but I, um, my first session in atlanta was with cameo, really, like the cameo, cameo, wow word up word up john, what do you?
Speaker 1what are your thoughts on cameo?
Speaker 2oh, my gosh, a phenomenal uh, bass player. I feel like that sound effects gonna get kind of old. No, no, it'll never get old. No, gosh, a phenomenal bass player. Nice.
Speaker 4That's awesome. I feel like that sound effect is going to get kind of old. No, no, it'll never get old. It's the best.
Speaker 1No, that's fun, so okay, so that was your first session in Atlanta, in Atlanta.
Speaker 3When I moved to the US, you know from Puerto Rico, yeah.
Speaker 1So I mean, did you do a lot of the bigger sessions in Atlanta, or were you there for a while?
Speaker 3I was there for almost six, seven years. Okay, wow. And then I moved to new york. Okay, and new york here gotcha, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1How long were you in new york? For 10 years. Oh, wow, okay, yeah, gotcha, so, uh, okay. So what? What spawned the move from um or spurred the move from atlanta to new york?
Speaker 3um I I was was working in Atlanta for a guy called Shakespeare. He's a producer.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, Poems.
Speaker 1William, william, william.
Speaker 4Where far art thou? Where far art thou Exactly?
Speaker 3So I was working for him and I got another opportunity with a guy called Corey Rooney that is Tony Mottola's right hand, okay, and that's why I moved to New York. Whose right hand, tony?
Speaker 2Mottola. Tony Mottola is. I don't know any of these. You had me at Lady Gaga.
Speaker 4I knew that one.
Speaker 2But then everyone else I have not known.
Speaker 3Well, this is people more like into the. I know they're not artists. They are more like the producers and the people behind Tony Mottola it used to be. Mariah.
Speaker 2Carey's husband. Okay, so you know that, there you go. So, uh, and, but he was the president of Sony record for years. Sony, yeah, he was the main guy. You know, sony's first product was a refrigerator. Don't, don't, don't. You'll never believe me, because that's what I normally say, stuff like that but that's true.
Speaker 1So I feel like John during this part. Edit that in post.
Speaker 2John, no, I'm not Show them the proof. The audio will not be edited.
Speaker 1I feel like John's at this point, like I know some of these words.
Speaker 4Yeah, sony, there you go.
Speaker 1Okay, so you're there, you're doing that, and then what made you move to Nashville?
Speaker 3Working for a producer. I was working not necessarily now in the studio, I was working doing his show David Foster, the David Foster.
Speaker 5The David Foster, the hit man, the hit man.
Speaker 3Yeah. So the company that does his production asked me to move a couple times. They asked me to move to Vegas and I said, no, I don't want to go to Vegas. And they finally asked me to move. A couple times they asked me to move to vegas and I said, no, I don't want to go to vegas. Yeah, and they have finally asked me to move here and I said, yeah, nashville I do that, so that's awesome.
Speaker 1Okay, so what's what's like one behind the scenes things? Obviously you've worked with some pretty famous people. What's something like behind the scenes that a lot of people like wouldn't think or wouldn't know and obviously we're not exposing anybody but just like you know, maybe what was something that a lot of people wouldn't know about working with artists behind the scenes? Maybe, um, like, are they really that good at singing or did you have to?
Speaker 3help out a lot, or you?
Speaker 4know, you don't have to name names you don't have to name names.
Speaker 1You don't have to name names, but just auto-tune.
Speaker 3You know they're humans. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4That's one way of a good way of saying it.
Speaker 3So nobody's perfect. So I think, yeah, no, you see a lot of people that you think they're very talented, and when you go backstage you're like, oh okay, I see, I see how this works.
Speaker 2Name two of those people.
Speaker 3No, I'm just kidding, I'm joking, but yeah, no, they're vulnerable. I mean they're real people they don't like. It's funny because one of the things that I gain with these people is trust, meaning it's not trying to be a fan. It's trying to be a regular person, that kind of like oh okay, good, I don't have to. No pictures, no Right. Not like oh okay, good, I don't have to. And no, no pictures, no right. You know none of that stuff, you know.
Speaker 1you're just trying to keep it like okay, pictures that they at least know about, right, you can still take, you know, but you know you don't want to be on their face, you know when we got a friend and then it happened.
Speaker 3It happened to me I have some pictures with artists, but I tried to not make it like, oh, let's take a picture and yeah, so that kind of getting trust. So so what?
Speaker 1that tells me that they regular people, vulnerable and yeah, you know well and I'm sure they respect that so much and probably want to work with you more because of the fact that you're so willing just to treat them like another person, because I'm sure 99 of the day they're getting treated like the rock star that they are and you know, people just falling all over them and probably even their own team probably telling them certain things, I'm sure they appreciate that I would say so yeah.
Speaker 2That's cool. They're probably used to a ton of people just coming up to them just trying to get business. You know, money, money and fans are.
Speaker 3You know, it's funny because the artists are what I see. They don't like fans yeah, I mean not necessarily they want the fan, but they don't want to like feel that the person is beside them, is it's a fan. They want to be right, somebody that they can you know normal and they can yeah, hang out with, and not necessarily somebody that is going to be like oh my god, you know.
Speaker 2Yeah I always say that I never get starstruck around celebrities, except if it was Logan Paul that walked into it, then I would be like, oh my gosh, it's Logan Paul.
Speaker 3Move to Puerto Rico. He lives in Puerto Rico. Oh, there you go.
Tech Teams and Church Collaborations
Speaker 1No, I'm just kidding. That's cool. Orlando, thank you for sharing. And then so over here we got Mr Keith Faust, who we love so much.
Speaker 5Oh, that's nice, that's nice.
Speaker 1Keith can attest to this. I call him the MVP of Joy Church. I mean, this guy is the GOAT of Joy Church. I don't know about any of that.
Speaker 5I think we're surrounded by a lot of MVPs. I I don't know about any of that. I think we're surrounded by a lot of MVPs. I don't think I get all that credit.
Speaker 1That's very kind of you All right, so tell us a little bit about what you do at the church. I mean, I know you've got your hands in a lot.
Speaker 4He does a lot.
Speaker 1So yeah, tell us a little bit about what you do.
Speaker 5It's changing some. We've got some new teams on staff so my role is modifying, but for a lot of years we just make sure we oversee the tech side of the house a lot of the audio-visual, a lot of the web and digital and IT operations and some of the graphic design that you expect to see. So just make sure that those teams are all running well and representing the Lord and church and our pastor really well, so you just listed like four paying full-time jobs IT.
Speaker 3He forgot to mention IT too. It, yeah, as well. He forgot to mention that one too.
Speaker 1And here's the thing about Keith is that he does this all completely on his own, for free, and he's got a full-time job, he's got three beautiful girls, he's got an awesome wife.
Speaker 5I mean like Definitely have some advantages in life.
Speaker 1Yeah, I have a couple advantages, so the fact that you do all that with everything that's already on your plate is just mind-blowing.
Speaker 5Oh it's. You know, like you were saying earlier, orlando, you know we're human. We're not knocking everything out of the park. You know we have some hits and some misses and so you know, yeah, it's humbling. We're very honored to do what we do for God. I mean it's an honor and a pleasure and the fact that we've been able to get to do it is just still amazing to me.
Speaker 4You know, sometimes I reflect on it and I'm like we get to do this, like that's really nice.
Speaker 5Anybody could do this, and some people could do a lot better actually, but so I'm just super thankful.
Speaker 1Oh, go ahead, John.
Speaker 2I will say though yes, people can do it better, but you are you always.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's it you know what I mean, Hold on hold on hold on.
Speaker 4That's exactly what I was trying to say earlier. Thank you, let me try that again. Well, hold on. Before you do that, I just want to say that was so your dad to the T.
Speaker 2Really, that was true. That's true, that was your dad. Okay, go ahead, shout out Joel. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just playing.
Speaker 4I'm just playing. I'm just playing, no, I'm just kidding, awesome dad.
Speaker 2Okay, now, anyways what I was saying, though, is yes, people could do it better, but you're always very trendy and you know the right trends. You're very relative, you make current things every year. That's current. You don't fall off the graphic.
Speaker 3I wish that was true. I wish that was true. Yeah, he has an amazing personality. That's why I mixed it right there.
Speaker 5All you guys are very nice. Personality. That's why it makes it right there. All you guys are very nice. And uh, uh, uh, if you've seen all the things we did wrong, uh, you're well ask your dad about the, the, the moving bear, sometime on the on the screen, yeah the graphic, and uh yeah it'll, it'll it's not all. It's not all good, all right so but here here's the. Thing again.
Speaker 1Keith is obviously super humble and we're just bragging on him a little bit. But one thing the mark of a really successful person is somebody that's willing to adapt as things change. Oh, absolutely and that goes for any industry, that goes for any job, and that's just to your point. John Keith does a great job at that and I'm sure it helps having young girls in the house that can kind of keep you up to date with things.
Speaker 5Yeah, yeah, the girls are. I think I heard you earlier on one of the podcasts saying that your daughter was asking about. Why does the intro always change?
Speaker 1You guys never say the same thing on the intro.
Speaker 5And our girls can tell the truth, right, they just let out and tell the truth.
Speaker 4So I was telling you that story the other day.
Speaker 5Okay, so I walked into the booth yesterday and I saw Muscles here sitting in the booth and of course you know, I called him Muscles. And then he you know, did the obligatory thing. Oh, no, man, you, you're Muscles. And I just laughed because so we're at the house the other day and I didn't have a sweatshirt, which my uh, 16 year old daughter recommended. I wear this to the podcast oh, it's great oh did. She didn't like what I was wearing earlier okay, yeah, so she's like, uh, you know.
Speaker 4So they're great, they speak truth, right, but uh my 17 year old daughter you have to wear something.
Speaker 5Who's about to be 18 this week? Um, she said to me the other day I had a short sleeve shirt on and she said dad, remember Avengers, do you remember the Avengers movies? You remember when Tony Stark was in the spaceship and he was dying and they were out of air? Remember this? And he was getting all famished and she says to me dad, why do your arms look like Tony Stark dying? I am not kidding, that's so foul, it's so true.
Speaker 2I'm like, ah, you got me then you look at your calves and you're like, oh my gosh, this is Thor reincarnated. You got those calves.
Speaker 5So our girls, we're very honored and very blessed. But girls and kids, they have a way of just telling you straight that's funny, that's awesome, that's funny.
Speaker 4Oh, that's awesome, hey, it's okay you know I love it.
Speaker 2They'll motivate you to stay in shape. I guess.
Speaker 1Yep, that's true in orlando for you. You've also got young boys right, two boys, yeah, okay, how old are they? Uh, 11 and 13, okay, oh, teenager yeah so, okay, how's that transition been kind of you know, getting older and same thing.
Speaker 3They kind of correct me all the time, especially in my English. It's kind of fun.
Speaker 1Like really Really, what's an example?
Speaker 3What's something I've had recently? Oh man, I can't mention one. I can't remember one, but yeah constantly, constantly, all the time they're like you don't say it like that, or they what are you saying? And like really to be my son for 13 years. I know you're correcting me I don't know how that goes.
Speaker 4What? Happened, right right is someone knocking on the door?
Speaker 2like I hear no, it's sorry, it's keith. Uh oh, I'm about sorry. No, tapping no tapping.
Speaker 5This was me. While arlen was talking. I was like, yeah, that was, that was my wife when we were driving earlier, because I was tapping, uh, a lot, yeah, yeah, while we were driving earlier because I was tapping a lot while we were driving and I had headphones in and she didn't.
Speaker 2She was like who's knocking on my van window?
Speaker 1driving 90 down the highway. That's funny.
Speaker 2No, no, it's ok you know they have feelings. You know ow what. Anyways, you know they have feelings, you know they just feel like you know ow.
Speaker 1What, Anyways? That's just when John says something, we don't know what to do. That's the new thing.
Speaker 4That's the sound. That's the sound we gave him, though.
Speaker 1All right, so let's talk about this. So obviously, orlando, you've helped out a lot with the audio Joy Church, and Keith, you've ran that for a really long time. So talk about some of the things that you guys have done together, that you've worked together on specifically in church.
Speaker 4Start from the beginning.
Speaker 5We've done a lot together. We stood up a live stream board during COVID.
Challenges and Growth in Audio-Video
Speaker 1Hey, talk about that. Okay, so what was that experience like? I mean, so COVID happens, oh my goodness.
Speaker 4All churches are forced to go into this.
Speaker 1They're freaking out. Everything's on fire. What happens?
Speaker 5We were actually in Gatlinburg with the entire staff when all the news came out about COVID. I forgot about that.
Speaker 5There had been a tornado for a staff advance the year before and we'd kind of rescheduled it and pastored and taken us all down to Gatlinburg and we all huddled there, yeah, and kind of talked through in Ruby Tuesdays, wasn't it? Yeah, some at the house, some of yeah and so. And then we got back and we kind of prepped some things because we saw the handwriting on the wall like this is probably gonna happen faster than we think yeah and so we set some things up and then from saturday to wednesday, like the decision was made. Okay, we're gonna go live stream on wednesday, so so you had, you had nothing before that.
Speaker 1Four days. We had, we weren't ready, we had nothing we had nothing.
Speaker 5Uh now at the time we used the front house console right which it was a DLive. Yeah, it was like the original DLive the original DLive with all the problems it had.
Speaker 4Yeah, I won't. I don't know if Avid's listening. So it was a first generation digital console. I think they already know it was a great console.
Speaker 1I can guarantee you they're not listening okay okay so real quick, real quick. They're not avid listeners so you deserve that one. So, um, for those listening that the d live board or watching it, uh it's pretty much like one of the original. You know kind of kind of get things started going with lives. I mean orlando, what do you? How?
Speaker 3would you describe it? Yeah, I mean, it was one of the first, not the first, digital console, but it was one of the ones. That was very successful.
Speaker 1Yeah, right, very successful. But that was years ago, right?
Speaker 3Yeah, I mean so probably like almost, we'll say, 20 years now 20 years.
Speaker 1Okay, so definitely not new. No, no, it's safe to say that.
Speaker 3But it's the first console. I used plugins actually.
Speaker 1Oh, okay, yeah, there you go. That was the first console I used plugins. So, keith, I'm sorry, go ahead. I just want to make sure everybody understood.
Speaker 5No, no, so yeah it was a big board, and so we routed some feed into a computer and we got it up and running. We happened to patch it with some audio and it seemed to work. Fortunately, orlando was around. So Orlando actually designed a real system and we replaced our analog system or our digital system, but we replaced it with a system that could be shared with one unit, with both the front of the house and the live stream room.
Speaker 5That was fortunately because Orlando was around. Orlando put a lot of the leg and the and uh, my last room. So that was fortunately because, uh, orlando was around. So orlando put a lot of the legwork into the design right, so sorry, just real quick.
Speaker 1So again, just for those listening that might not understand there we were able to find a way to take the signal of the, the band, the singers. We're able to split it two different ways. We're one to the, where the people in the congregation could hear, and then one separately for a live stream room.
Speaker 3Yeah, that's how it is now.
Speaker 2Yeah, right, right, right, I'm sorry, go ahead. Did you basically just like jimmy rig, what you could find that we had at church At the beginning?
Speaker 5yes, absolutely, and that's what we've done for so many projects.
Speaker 4So many. I mean Paul's been around a long time, and Brandon and they've seen some of these rigs that we've kind of connected together to get things operational. Get things operational, work with what we had at the time Right.
Speaker 5You know it's a different time, different space. You know and you're working with what you have.
Speaker 2Desperate needs call for desperate wait, wait, desperate times come.
Speaker 1No, go ahead, Take your time, take your time We'll let you do it.
Speaker 2Desperate needs. Call for desperate times Something like that, but yes, in the middle of the heat of the battle of COVID we just kind of get it up and running.
Speaker 5The limitations help you drive creativity.
Speaker 1That's good, I like that we need that on a t-shirt. Now, okay, with the sushi cat that that, and also desperate times call for desperate times, or whatever, john said so yeah, that's really good, all right so, um, okay, so you guys go through that together. So where are? What's the state of things now? Uh, because obviously that was during covid. We have grown so yeah.
Speaker 3So so what are?
Speaker 1things like now would you say um was during.
Speaker 3COVID, we have grown. What are things like now, would you say? I think right now we have, I would say, the closest we've been to a real studio for broadcast, I would say video, added a bunch of equipment and it's becoming a whole system. It's a machine now it's working and I really like it a lot actually.
Speaker 5It's been very consistent lately. Consistent, that's a good word, we like that.
Speaker 3I always say I'm not the best engineer, but I'm consistent, bad or good.
Speaker 5I don't know you decide that Exactly. It can be a good thing or a bad thing, bad or good but yeah, I think what we have now is actually amazing.
Speaker 3I'll it's like everything you want to maybe improve some things and and and times change and new equipment comes and new techniques come in and you have to, you know, change and make it better. But I think right now we are definitely.
Speaker 4We know better what we're doing, you know definitely tell me some of the challenges in this, because there are. There are challenges and I know that we we face them and we try to find out what those challenges are and try to solve those problems, trying to make them better. But talk about some of the challenges that you have in audio video in the church world.
Speaker 1Yeah, not like a blasting Joy Church thing, it's just like because there's just certain challenges.
Speaker 4There are certain challenges In general.
Speaker 1There's physics.
Speaker 5Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, we keep trying to bend the laws of physics. Is that what you mean? Okay? So, is that what you mean? Okay?
Speaker 4So, explain what you mean by that? Explain what you mean by that. Oh, you know, some of our PA configuration was implemented in a manner in which can be revisited so political, so political, to accomplish the goals of what we like to do.
Speaker 5But, no, really, we put in some gear when we first moved into the building. That was a little oversized at first, and so we replaced that gear with a new PA. And even in the work that we did we are still. You know, we kind of hit some major swings but we missed some minor swings. You know what I mean.
Speaker 5Like you knocked out the big ones but, the minor ones are kind of sitting there and we keep adjusting them, but we do need to go back and revisit the design on that, and so there's some little things like that. I know you mentioned that, by the way, you're glad.
Speaker 3I mentioned that.
Speaker 5You know. But we're also, you know, we like to be good stewards with God's money, and there's a balance of okay, well, are you? Still being a good steward, or are you being, you know, because how many people are not listening because of that right?
Speaker 4So there's you know all the balances and so we're.
Speaker 5You know we're constantly aware of that and we're paying attention and praying things through and make sure we're doing things in time and God Right, and you know. So yeah, we've got those things and, of course, leadership things. You know we're a church, we're not a business where we just get to hire somebody and let them go. We get volunteers that come in and when you get volunteers, you know they're at all different levels and we're not the church that just we're a teaching church, right, and so we work real hard to kind of bring people up levels and sometimes that works really good. Good and sometimes it doesn't, but you know we still endeavor to really encourage people to kind of, you know, get plugged in and really help. So you know.
Speaker 4But what kind of technical challenge Keith fouls for 2024 for president? Yeah right, seriously, I'm sorry, I just like to give the balances right. I love the balances. I love the balances Because you know it's not negative.
Speaker 5No it's not negative, it's just real. Well, it's challenges.
Speaker 1Yeah, challenges are bad.
Speaker 5Right you said it all perfectly. There's technology limitations. You know we all want everything to just work over Cat 5. Let's just Cat 5, everything.
Speaker 3I don't know if I'll ever be able to filter myself as much as you just did there. That was solid, that was true, that was all right. Now I want the real answer. No, I don't know.
Speaker 3I think I think keith and I we talk a lot and we are very, you know, sync on how we think, and I want to think that we always talk it's like, okay, we don't want it.
Speaker 3We have volunteers and we have to respect this person and the level that this person is. Sure, and we have to take that as a gift of God, that person at church, and even though that person is maybe not where I want her to be, you know, because I'm professional or whatever but I want that person to grow, I want that person to grow and if I have a desire to be only perfect and not godly, so it just kind of doesn't really fulfill the purpose of it. So I like the idea of okay, you know, and I wish I had more time to help at the church because I travel a lot, but I think that that's one of the challenges we're seeing. It's like not everybody's going to be on the same level, like he said, but at the same time we have to be very careful of how to manage these people. So we have a good reputation as a church and as a body of Christ.
Speaker 3So, that's one big challenge that I see.
Speaker 2Yeah, and I've heard of a lot of different churches that are so creative and top tier on all their production and stuff like that, but when it comes down to the actual people in the community there I get reviews that are like yeah, no one really stopped me in the halls and asked me how my day was going. None of these people really cared about me or were intentional or genuine, and sometimes even they were kind of fake or they they did stuff poorly well, I think it's.
Speaker 3It's. We have a big church, but at the same time we feel like a small church. I mean, I've been in other big churches that I'm not going to mention, but you know, I try I move from cities so I, I and I can tell you that, yeah, it feels like a small church, but when you really look at the numbers, like it's a big church. Yeah, and and that actually that's what I love about this church is that I don't feel lost on it and it's easy to get lost. When you have 10,000 people, 5,000 people in a church, it's easy to get lost in the crowd and not be able to serve.
Speaker 3And one thing I like about this church is that, yeah, we don't have that much staff and that makes everybody work for it and people get involved much of stuff and that makes everybody work for it and people get involved. You know that's people get into working to the church because they're getting attached to what they like in life right and they can bring what they have yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 1Good, absolutely well. Guys, I I had such a great time talking to both of you guys, thank you so much for taking time out of your sunday night to come, hang out with us and just shoot the breeze and talk some stuff Hang with the boys. So we're going to let Mr John, take us on the way out here you going to take us out, john, you going to take us out.
Speaker 2I hate to see you guys have to leave so soon. Feels like you just got here, but yeah, we're out. I'm just messing, messing. No, thank you guys. Uh, yeah, keep being mission men and go out and be mission minded and, you know, be men and women who are mission minded and we love you and we hope you have a great rest of your day and thank you guys for coming on and thank you guys for listening we'll see you later peace.
