eBay vs Whatnot vs Tilt - The LIVE SELLING War Begins! | S07E03

Live selling is exploding right now. eBay Live, Whatnot and Tilt are all fighting for the same space. I've sold on Whatnot and Tilt and i'm about to start on eBay Live, so we’re breaking down the pros and the cons and pondering which one might actually come out on top! 

I'm joined by the infamous "Bargain Bell" for this podcast.

Plus the usual honest interactive reseller chat you've become accustomed to!

My YouTube channel - https://www.youtube.com/@CarBoot_Chris?sub_confirmation=1

My Website - http://www.carbootchris.com

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:03

Welcome back, and live selling is exploding right now. eBay Live, Whatnot and Tilt are all fighting for the same space. I've sold on What Not and Tilt myself, and I'm about to start on eBay Live. So we're breaking down the pros and cons and pondering which one might actually come out on top. My name's Chris, aka Carboot Chris, and I'm a full-time UK online reseller. I operate mainly on eBay but also on vintage and whatnot. I'm bringing a regular podcast all about reselling with a bit of fun thrown in too. Hopefully to keep you company to entertain you and maybe a little bit of education. Who knows? Welcome to the Everything Reselling Podcast. Hello. As you can see, and as you can probably hear, if you are indeed listening on one of the audio channels, like Spotify and Apple Music, which is where we are, along with lots of other audio channels as well. Alexa, you can even do the Amazon Alexa thing and ask to play the Everything Reselling podcast. But welcome everybody. Tonight we're talking about the live selling revolution. You might have guessed from the thumbnail and where it's going and pros and cons and all that business. So if you've got any experience with live selling, if you've sold in any of the platforms, have a think about it and you can drop some comments in at any time and we'll ping them up as we go along throughout the show. I'll give you some of my experiences. Belle's going to give you some opinions, even though she's technically not a reseller, but she has actually presented some shows.

SPEAKER_02 2:03

But not very, yeah, not many.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

She does better than me, to be honest with you, and she's going to be presenting on eBay live soon as well.

SPEAKER_03 2:10

No, no, no, no. Live. I've been waiting for that. I've been waiting, but no, not happening.

SPEAKER_01 2:15

Uh but in the meantime, whilst we're thinking about live selling, Belle's gonna say hello to as many people as possible in the one two minutes anymore, remember. So get your hellos in. Are we ready? When the music ends, that is the minute up.

SPEAKER_03 2:34

Uh Angel Delight, I'm getting in early. Lynn Lynn Jeffries, Ian G, Helen Graham, Jamie D, Rosie Mark, Karen Evans, Mark Hill, Chris Tyler, Lucy's carboot, Sail Loot, um, Paul Baker, see what you buy, Phil Higginson, Angie. Oh, I can't read that. Angie Atch, is it? Um, Alex's Retro Drip, Fluffy the Muffin, Jeff Davis, Em's Den, last week's uh host.

SPEAKER_04 3:09

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 3:10

Oh no, I can't look. Silly, silly adverts on your year from them. Allie Evans, Kavallis, uh Lin Lynn, Andrew Milburn, Demise Family, John Parker, Sandra Parker, uh Lizzy's Scotty Dogcrafts, Rachel Fantastic, Nothing Mage, Pete's Toys and Things, The Gentleman Marketeer, the Thrifty Puzzler, Paul Hillman. Come on, I'm at the bottom. Come on, keep going. Is that is that and Dan?

SPEAKER_01 3:45

Have we made it? I can't even hear the music.

SPEAKER_03 3:47

Sorry, guys. I got the same thing that you guys probably get when you're watching or trying to chat, and we get constant pop-ups of adverts now, which then means I lose my chat. And I've ended as an advert.

SPEAKER_01 4:00

It's a poor excuse, I'm afraid. That was a failure on bells, but it's close to me today. I can't even move in here. I just I just want to you're not giving me any space.

SPEAKER_02 4:10

I just want to be close. I just want to be close.

SPEAKER_01 4:13

Let me just spread out a bit.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

What can I say?

unknown 4:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:16

They're listening and they're thinking, hmm, let me just spread.

SPEAKER_03 4:20

Yeah, just one of my little annoyances on YouTube.

SPEAKER_01 4:25

There shouldn't be ads mid-roll. I haven't authorized mid-roll ads, but if there's constantly if there's little ones at the bottom of the screen on YouTube, that's different. Just don't click them.

SPEAKER_03 4:35

No, no, just watch in a minute. My whole screen will go black with an advert.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

The good thing is Bell's just earned me an extra penny. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:45

How many, how many other viewers are doing that by accident? Well, oh please, please press those adverts by accident.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

It's brilliant. I love it. There you go. He's feed Jeff says no adverts, YouTube premium. I'm on premium, to be fair. I'm on premium.

SPEAKER_03 4:59

I don't, I don't. This sounds really weird seeing as we're on YouTube, but I don't watch YouTube. So there's no reason for me to have premium.

SPEAKER_01 5:06

You don't know what you're missing. You don't watch YouTube. You know, I watch YouTube loads of YouTube, mate. I don't watch YouTube. Watch it more than anything now.

SPEAKER_03 5:12

No, not my king, unfortunately. But I will say something. I did actually because what I do is a bit of a standing joke for anyone that's not been watching us for a while, but it's a bit of a standing joke that I don't know half of what our videos are that Chris puts out because I don't watch them. And that's a lie. I do watch them, but I watch them in my own time. So generally, what I'll do is now and again I'll go, I'll go back through when I have a little bit of time and I'll have a look at his videos.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

Oh, I'll have a look. You probably do you are you one of these that watches it at three times the speed or something? No. Some people do that, you know.

SPEAKER_03 5:48

Bearing in mind, and I'll say this, and I maintain this, I have to listen to him creating them, all right? And that's enough for me. But I did go back this week and I looked at your last few videos, and I actually noticed that people are really enjoying the podcast layout of the show. Yeah, there's been quite a few comments saying how people are actually thinking, so that's good, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 6:13

It's good to hear because you never really know if it if it's going to work the way you want it to work.

SPEAKER_03 6:18

And you know, it's nice to know we found the balance, which is we didn't want to upset our regular Monday night YouTube watchers by making it too different whilst incorporating the podcast side of it, and it seems like you've you've done a good job.

SPEAKER_01 6:32

I will say to that as well, I've had a few people pop in over from having listened, found us via listening, and then come over to the channel because they want to see us. They want to see who these weirdos are for the listening, they want to put a face to the voice.

SPEAKER_03 6:48

Yeah, how disappointing must they be?

SPEAKER_01 6:50

I know very disappointed.

SPEAKER_03 6:51

Mind you, I say that. I've got such a horrible monotone voice for you guys listening back. I I feel so sorry for you. I do. My northern, my northern monotone voice.

SPEAKER_01 7:01

No, you haven't. Uh Fluffy the Muffin says here, premium is expensive. You know, you know, you might not know this, Fluffy the Muffin, but YouTube Premium has two different prices. If you sign up via the app, is a different price to when you sign up via desktop. Now I can't remember for the life of me which is the better deal. I think it might be the app, but I might be wrong, right? Just try either one. One's like$12.99 a month, and one's like$16.99 a month. So there's a massive difference. But you know what also some people don't remember and like don't realise with YouTube Premium. You also get YouTube Music.

SPEAKER_03 7:43

And I don't listen to the music I've got.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

That could mean that if you pay for something like Spotify or Apple Music, if you pay for YouTube Premium, you've potentially got YouTube Premium and you've got a music app as well in the same price. You could dump one of the others. The only thing is, I love Spotify and it's I just love all the playlists and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 8:04

Yep, you've still not sold it to me, but nice try.

SPEAKER_01 8:08

Uh just going back to that, Adam.

SPEAKER_03 8:11

Just going, well, you got paid for the one I clicked on. All right. Oh, get on with it. Uh just going back, Jamie D says hi to everybody, but he also says three weeks from now the clocks will have changed to summertime. We're all on countdown for that, aren't we? Especially you there. What's this sorry? You zoned out then, didn't you?

SPEAKER_01 8:29

Yeah, I did. I was reading the clock. I was reading George's treasure ship.

SPEAKER_03 8:33

I said, Jamie D said the clocks are going forward in three weeks. So it'll be officially summertime.

SPEAKER_01 8:40

I thought it I thought it was sooner than that, was it not like anyone got the date of when the clocks clocks go?

SPEAKER_03 8:46

Because Jamie D says three weeks.

SPEAKER_01 8:48

Hmm. I did think it was coming sooner than that. Oh, there you go. Trugman found us on the podcast first. There you go. And Trugman's been with us for ages in the chat here. So thank you, Trugman. If anyone else is watching right now and you found us via the audio podcast, please put your hand up in the chat. I'd love to know. That'll probably be it now. That'll be Trugman and that'll be it.

SPEAKER_03 9:11

But we say this, but we have such random followers as well, because we've got quite a lot of followers that don't even do reselling or interested in reselling and randomly have found us somehow and still come and watch us every Monday. So, yeah. Even my mum shuts off after 10 minutes of watching our live shows.

SPEAKER_01 9:33

George's Treasure Shed here on YouTube says, I love Spotify, I would never change. Yeah, I'm kind of in that boat as well, but who knows in the future, you know, once our belts are getting a bit tighter with all the extra costs coming our way soon. Lisa also says you get Amazon Music Free with Prime. That's a good point as well. Something that you forget.

SPEAKER_03 9:51

We've had Prime forever, and I've never looked at Amazon Music.

SPEAKER_01 9:55

The thing is, right, I pay for Prime and I pay for Spotify. So really I could I could dump Spotify if I wanted to. I also play for YouTube Premium. So I could definitely dump Spotify and use one of the others. But I still pay for Spotify because it's the best one, isn't it? It's so good, Spotify. And their AI playlists that they're starting to bring out are brilliant.

SPEAKER_03 10:17

Oh, thanks. Fluffy says Bell's great on whatnot. Don't encourage him. I'm rubbish. I'm rubbish. I'm no good at it.

SPEAKER_01 10:22

Spotify playlists are great. I love them, especially the new AI ones. You can put a prompt in now. I've done it, I've done a couple, I've done like a late-night listening playlist and I've done a TV themes.

SPEAKER_03 10:34

You're always tweaking with I'm always messing.

SPEAKER_01 10:36

I've done a TV themes and 80s and 90s playlist, but you just put a prompt in and it makes it and it will it'll change it every single day for you. I just think that's brilliant. No one else does that.

SPEAKER_03 10:52

Is that was that the comment? Lana's in as well. Welcome, Lana. Hi Lana. Was that the comment you read from you were looking at from George's Treasure Shed about his audit?

SPEAKER_01 11:00

I was reading it, I wasn't quite understanding what he meant.

SPEAKER_03 11:04

He just said he's got an audit on his site tomorrow, so in the evening of catching up with paperwork. I'm assuming that's part of his job job.

SPEAKER_01 11:12

Your job. His job. Your real job.

SPEAKER_03 11:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

Oh, the 29th is clocks.

SPEAKER_03 11:17

What day is it now? 28th, 29th. That's the last weekend in the world.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

Three weeks, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 11:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

Oh, I've just made a sale, guys. I've just sold, I think it might be one of Colin Lingus's things. I've sold a child's play Blu-ray. Oh no, 4K Blu-ray for£27.

SPEAKER_03 11:39

That's not bad, is it, for Blu-ray? Jeff says, no YouTube bell, you're missing out on all kinds of fun. There's a charming couple in North Wales I watch a lot of on YouTube.

SPEAKER_01 11:49

Who's that then?

SPEAKER_03 11:51

I have no idea.

SPEAKER_01 11:52

We'll have to try and find them. Trugman said at one point I was listening to 45 hours a week of podcasts. Bloody hell, Trugman.

SPEAKER_03 12:00

What did I literally say to you the other day? I tried because I listen to audiobooks when I'm going to sleep. I don't even listen to music then. It's it's it's audiobooks. And I tried to listen to a podcast in relation to one of the series of books that I that I read, and I couldn't do it. I listened to about five minutes and I had to shut off because it just grated at me, absolutely grated at me. I don't know what it is, I just can't stand listening to just somebody talking unless they're reading a story.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

I think it's different when like I tend to pick them up when I'm working. So if I'm like photographing in the corner and I can just listen along. I've listened to some audiobooks as well, which is a bit like a podcast, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 12:45

Last week I said I did try, didn't I? Because I was not here last week. I was back in Manchester with family, and I had grandma duties with our little our little fur puppy grandchild. And I was driving in the car when Chris came on the show, so I thought, you know what? I'll stick it on as audio and listen as we went along just to see what it was like. And actually, it does work quite well.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

Does it?

SPEAKER_03 13:09

It did.

SPEAKER_01 13:10

Apart from we've just been talking about absolute nonsense for the last 12 minutes.

SPEAKER_03 13:13

But that's what half of our viewers come to listen to. Is it?

SPEAKER_01 13:16

Do you all come to listen to nonsense that you actually want content?

SPEAKER_03 13:19

One half useful. One half comes for content and the other half comes for the waffle.

SPEAKER_01 13:23

Right. Uh Paul Baker's got manful. Hope you feel better soon.

SPEAKER_03 13:27

So many people at the minute with these colds and flues.

SPEAKER_01 13:29

I think we need to like Z, only cool stuff is in. Interesting to hear your views on this one, Z, because we're talking about live selling. I've seen you on both the big platforms recently.

SPEAKER_03 13:39

Literally hadn't finished my sentence then. I was about to say we need to self-isolate, and you just cut me off straight down the middle.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

And I've got a new little gadget. Have you seen this? Look at this. I got it off Timu. It's a little timer. You see it? I'm sorry if you're listening, you're not, you obviously can't see what I'm showing you. Do you like me to audio describe? Yes, please. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:01

It is a little square black box that Christy's holding in his hand that has uh timer numbers around it.

SPEAKER_01 14:08

No, that doesn't help. I don't know what it is. It's a little timer and it's got timer numbers all around it.

SPEAKER_04 14:16

That's what I said.

SPEAKER_01 14:17

No, it's got like 30 minutes, 10 minutes, 5 minutes, and on the other side is 60. And what you do is you put it top side up, the number, like that's 30 minutes now, and it starts the 30-minute timer. Alright, now that 10-minute timer. Five minute timer.

SPEAKER_03 14:34

It's basically pointless. Have you ever used it?

SPEAKER_01 14:36

I'm using it today, 60-minute timer. So when we start talking about live selling, I'm going to put a 30-minute timer on it so that we can get into the duck race, okay? Because last week she was giving me grief about that. And she weren't even on the show.

SPEAKER_03 14:50

I wasn't giving him grief, but for anybody that was watching last week, did you not notice how he literally said, Oh, we're going to do the duck race in a minute? And then spent another 20 odd minutes talking. So I just casually messaged him in the background and went, I think it's time to do the duck race. That's what my job is, that's what I'm here for.

SPEAKER_01 15:09

Oh, Z got a great idea that could be used to set yourself little targets. So I could go, like, right, where's the 60? I could go, right, I've got 60 minutes, list as many things as I can. And then I'll probably go and watch YouTube.

SPEAKER_03 15:24

And then you won't hear it go off, and then you'll forget it was there.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

Actually, I better put the uh audio on that because it I won't know, will I? Well, well, how cool is that? Teemu. Teemu Jobby. It actually was a little bit smaller than I thought it was gonna be.

SPEAKER_03 15:40

That's always the case from Timu, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 15:43

No, I thought you were gonna say that's what she said.

SPEAKER_03 15:45

No, I was avoiding it.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

Thrifty Puzzle uses Apple Watch for timers and only cool stuff. Uh Z said I enjoyed your podcast last week with Chris. Glad you enjoyed it, Z. Can't beat a bit of uh Emsden. They're just such a nice, they're lovely. And not only that, but they've got three channels to go and absorb content on.

SPEAKER_03 16:11

And as somebody commented after the show on that one, they're absolutely the best couple on the planet. They're so sweet, so lovely. And even in the midst of everything that's been going wrong for them and all the rubbish that they've had to deal with so far, and they're still so upbeat.

SPEAKER_02 16:29

I know.

SPEAKER_03 16:30

It's just yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:32

It's all the sausages.

SPEAKER_03 16:33

It's all well, what did we have for tea? We did actually. We had bangers and mash, didn't we? For the first time ever, really boring, but for the first time ever, I went in our fridge and freezer and we have no meat, no chicken, no beef, no pork, no nothing. And don't ask me what's happened, but we've got nothing. So we ended up with sausages. Who's in charge of the shopping? And who's who's been in for surgery and not been well? Give over. You sat on your ass all day, every day. So, yes, I will have to go out tomorrow, or we will be on sausages again.

SPEAKER_01 17:03

Trugman here on YouTube says, It was the podcast with Andrew from Money Mental about getting out of debt that made me jump start reselling. That's great.

SPEAKER_03 17:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 17:13

And taking the kids to Disney this year because of it. That's amazing, that wasn't it.

SPEAKER_03 17:17

See, that's a that's a good reselling story right there.

SPEAKER_01 17:20

Brilliant. I love that.

SPEAKER_03 17:21

Andrew was on again yesterday, wasn't he, with uh Nick and Andrew telling his his story again. Hopefully inspiring more people like you.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

Right, I think it's time. I think it's time. What? Look at what Jeff's just put. Oh! That's a monumental Jeff says tonight will be the 200th duck race. Do you want to use that trophy I sent you? A picture of as a price. Oh Jeff, no, because it will cost you an arm and a leg to send it.

SPEAKER_03 17:55

I think that should be our Champion of Champions one. Do you want to say special, special one?

SPEAKER_01 18:01

That this is a special one, but Jeff sent me a picture of an amazing duck thing, trophy type thing, and he said, you know, do you want it for a duck race prize in the future? Would you like to hang on to it for this year's Champion of Champions? Because I really don't want to like put you through like sending something from the USA to someone over in the UK, most likely. I do have a prize here for tonight, if that's all okay. And it's nowhere near as good as what Jeff has.

SPEAKER_03 18:31

Is it worthy of a 200th duck race prize?

SPEAKER_01 18:33

I think so.

SPEAKER_03 18:34

I think it is because Chris's reasoning as to why it's a duck race prize is amazing. You want to tell everybody while we're on it, just just while we're here?

SPEAKER_01 18:43

Right. We're doing this, but then we must talk about live selling. Okay. A USA viewer might win it. I think we've probably only got one or two in tonight. This is tonight's duck race prize, guys.

SPEAKER_03 18:56

Can anybody guess what the relevance of having a pink frog instead of a duck as the prize is?

SPEAKER_01 19:04

Well, they both live in the same pond. So for me, that's a perfectly good duck race prize.

SPEAKER_03 19:10

This is the duck's mate.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

Yeah, it's a duck's friend. This is a duck's friend. It's Froggy. Froggy the duck's friend. Um that's tonight's prize, unless Jeff really insists on doing his one. But I would like I personally I think it's worthy of a grand finale prize, that one it is. Right. I'm gonna set this timer to 30 minutes, guys. Look, watch, watch.

SPEAKER_03 19:38

It's never gonna work. Frogs frogs eat baby ducks. Do they?

SPEAKER_01 19:43

Even better. I like that story. A duck jacket would have been awesome for tonight. Yeah, Rachel, fantastic, sent me a picture of um someone with a duck jacket on.

SPEAKER_02 19:54

Really?

SPEAKER_01 19:55

But she wasn't willing to shell out for the ducks. So okay, let's talk about live selling, guys, because that's tonight's main topic. We will do some other chat about Bell's experience this week with vintage, but that'll be after the duck race. So if you want to hear if you want to hear about Bell's escapades on Vinted, then please stay tuned after the duck race. Right, live selling. Where should we start?

SPEAKER_03 20:39

Well, weirdly enough, considering I'm not a reseller, this came from a conversation we had the other morning, didn't it? While sat having our morning cacao.

SPEAKER_01 20:49

Was it Sunday morning? We were just sat in a conservatory having a drink and chatting about stuff.

SPEAKER_03 20:53

And then after we'd had the conversation, Chris went, Why have we had this conversation now? We should have just done it on the podcast on Monday night. So can you remember what we said? And he was literally like, What did what did we say?

SPEAKER_01 21:05

Let's let's start.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

It came about because have you told people that you have now got your eBay live all sorted?

SPEAKER_01 21:13

Well, almost sorted. Almost all sorted. I've I've eBay Live have come back to me at last after three whole months of being approved and onboarded. Three months it took them to come back to me because they sent me just gave me one category and I wasn't happy with it. It took them three months to change that, which wasn't great. But now we're all contract signed up, and my start date is is Monday, the 16th of March, for my contract for eBay Live. I'm just waiting for them to do me a refresher onboarding session so that just to refresh on some of the new features and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 21:53

But there will not be a start date for us.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

It probably won't be. No, it definitely won't. But that week maybe sometime at that point. It's just when my deal starts with with eBay. So yeah, I'm looking forward to having a go on eBay Live. I've been watching people like Demise Collectibles, Z only cool stuff. I think Rummage Around was on tonight. I bought something off him. I made my first purchases on eBay Live from a seller. I've got them down here. I bought like five sports jerseys off someone that were going cheap. So I bought those over the weekend.

SPEAKER_02 22:28

And was that the guy that I found in Slatter? Oh, right, okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:33

So I wanted to talk about the pros and cons, the different nuances from the platforms, and who we think might come out on top, if any, because they can coexist, can't they?

SPEAKER_03 22:47

And also getting a little bit of feedback for when Chris starts doing his eBay live, because it is a slightly different, from what we can tell, it's slightly different than the other two platforms. So wondering whether he runs it the same as the Whatnots, or if he does it slightly differently. So just getting a little bit of feedback from you guys because you guys always end up coming, at least having a nosey. I mean, if even if you don't buy stuff, you come and support him.

SPEAKER_04 23:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:13

Yeah, just see sort of what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

Well, should we just start with should we start with that? Because I know that I can see people who are in the chat who already do eBay Live. We've got Gentleman Market II, we've got Demise Family, and we've got Z.

SPEAKER_04 23:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

I'm not sure if anybody else put your hands up in the chat if you're already on eBay Live. What are your top tips for eBay Live? Put them in the chat chat and I'll highlight them. What I'm thinking about is do I do themed shows? So do I do specific categories? So maybe a pop show, clothing show, sports show, an everything show, perhaps. Or do I just do bits and bobs, everything like a car boot sale type show? I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 23:56

I've not really decided, or we were saying, could we keep it still as the wall, like we do on I know, come can we do it that way?

SPEAKER_01 24:05

On whatnot? I used to do a wall. So basically, I'd I'd fill the wall with all the stuff that's available for purchase, and I would say to the audience, make your bids. Whatever whoever wins the bidding can pick whatever they like off the wall. And I don't know yet, without checking with eBay, whether I'm allowed to do that. It's not a game of chance or anything like that.

SPEAKER_03 24:30

It's just a bid giving people an option rather than one item.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

Yeah, bid, and you can choose. Like if I had 30 pops all stacked up, it's like, right, bidding starts now. Whoever wins, take your pick. And it's kind of like first come, first serve type thing. So the question is, would that still work on eBay live? And is it allowed? I've not seen anyone do that.

SPEAKER_03 24:56

No. And I noticed there, Demise said about things sell cheaper on eBay Live if you want to talk to all the normal online. So would do you think that would still be the case? Because obviously what we'd started doing in our last few whatnots, because it worked really well when I did my Harry Potter one, was we started doing the£3 basic starts for like all this stuff on the wall, but then we had our premium items, so we'd have like an item starting at£10, an item starting at£20, and then£20. You know, it's like would would that still work? Are people you know, do we think people would still be interested in that? Or do we completely try and change the format for eBay Live? You know, do we do a whole premium show? Do we think that would work? So there's lots of different variations in there that we were like throwing around of how to work it.

SPEAKER_01 25:50

So for those of you that do it, give us your opinions on how it works best for you. Do oh before you go into that comment, you've seen what I've seen. Do you do you guys use like live selling and especially eBay Live as a clearance store, or do you use it for top dollar stuff? If you can answer that for me as well.

SPEAKER_03 26:14

And that's interesting because that's something that you weren't sure of. Gentleman Marketeer has put he does giveaways now and it gets great traction.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

Oh, you can do the giveaways now. Used to do giveaways. So is there a special like section now where you can set an auction like as a giveaway, or like on whatnot, you can set a giveaway going. Yeah, give us some more information.

SPEAKER_03 26:35

Oh, there you go. Only cool stuff, when he asks the chat whether they like themed or varied stuff, the majority chose varied for what it's worth. Now that was my answer, wasn't it? I said that I would prefer to have a variety of stuff that I could pick up.

SPEAKER_01 26:47

The only thing, Z says that, but everything he sells is pop culture or figures. So he maybe he means like instead of just doing Marvel or DC, just a variety of figures and toys and collectibles. It's all still pop. But it's all still pop culture, he's still in one category, isn't he? He's not mixed, I don't think he's mixing clothing with toys and you know vintage stuff. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 27:15

Right, so Dmai says he doesn't think it'd be allowed. I think that means I think he's put his class as a chance item. Mystery bags and boxes are not allowed unless they are verified by eBay.

SPEAKER_01 27:25

I'm gonna check with eBay because as far as I'm concerned, it's not a chance and it's not a mystery, because you can see, you can see what's available. You're just basically a pick. You're just basically picking from what you can see. So I don't know. Maybe you're right. I'm going to check when I do have a call with eBay, hopefully this week sometime.

SPEAKER_03 27:47

So yeah, only cool says.

SPEAKER_01 27:48

Well, yeah, thank you, Demise, for dropping that in.

SPEAKER_03 27:50

Only Cool Sur says, yeah, variation within a genre.

SPEAKER_01 27:52

Within a genre, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:53

So if you were doing pops, it would just be a variety of all sorts of pops, not just like horror pops or you could do pops and figures and stuff like mix up. Or jerseys, not all together. Which, to be fair, we did sort of agree that we would look at doing specific shows to begin with, didn't we?

SPEAKER_04 28:13

Yeah.

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SPEAKER_03 28:14

And then because what what our idea was, one of the ideas we came up with was to do specific shows, so a pop show, a jersey show, a t-shirt show, whatever. But then every so often do a, as you've referred to it is a car boot show, something like that, where it's just a then a mixture of stock, you know, but then you can promote it once you've got a bit of a following and people know what you're selling, then you know, every so often you could just go, right, next week's gonna be a an all-sorts show, a random show, and try and mix it up a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

Yeah. Okay, I'm just whizzing back through the comments here. And Demise Family said we sell online and we sell live in person at Comic-Cons. Our first weekend selling on eBay live, we did about 15 hours. It's been madness over 200 orders to pack from Friday to today. That's good. That's that sounds good, but the question for you, Danbo or Beth, is were you happy with the values you got on each item? And I know 200, 200 sales is great, but if they all went for one pound, and normally you you would get more than that, you know, where where was your thought process in? How happy were you with the results? Like, forget about the number of sales, what about the quality of the sale? Were you happy with it?

SPEAKER_03 30:03

That's interesting. Gentleman Marketeer there's done what we were looking at, kind of, and he said he started a clearance store that didn't get a huge amount of money last Friday. He sold good items and got huge sales. Okay, so people are going for quality over cheap stuff, which is kind of the opposite to whatnot, isn't it? Whatnot people tend to come for what they can get dirt cheap rather than quality. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 30:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

Things sell a lot cheaper on eBay Live. Yeah, I couldn't expect it. I think you can expect that on most of the live selling platforms, that generally it will go cheaper than if you sold it normally. But there are inst there are quite a few instances where we've sold stuff on whatnot that have gone above and beyond what I would have expected to actually sell like on a normal buy it now. It doesn't happen that often though.

SPEAKER_03 31:01

But I think the thing with this is if we go in with the same mentality that we had with Whatnot, which is it's not necessarily about getting top back, it's about clearing stock quickly and getting your money back in your bank. So even if you're only making a small profit margin, it's better than nothing. And it's about that quick turnover of getting an income in, isn't it? Because, like you said, you know, if you if you do a good Whatnot show and you get five, six hundred pounds in a in an evening and you've cleared a load of stock out, how much longer it would take you to list that on eBay and get a higher amount for it, yeah. It's weighing that up.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

It is a lot about like volume selling in a small amount of time. So you don't necessarily get that's what I found on Whatnot, right? I mean, I think the most I did in a Whatnot show was about 950, 950 pounds in one show. One three-hour show, I think the most I ever did was about 950. And that happened quite a few times. So I've got between eight and nine fifty, which is brilliant, right? Because if you can sell a hundred items in three hours, I think there is a lot to be said for that for turning over stock, whether it be old stock or even a few new stocks thrown in there as well. I think that's the draw of doing it.

SPEAKER_03 32:20

I think we've established quite quickly with whatnot, and it might be the same for eBay, maybe not, but we'll see, is making sure that the stock you get is low value cost wise purchase. So then it, you know, yeah, you your flip isn't massive, but it's a flip.

SPEAKER_01 32:42

But then you can't apply that to things that are like gentlemen Marketeer was saying that it's a good idea to sell some of your top quality stuff because you're not going to get that for cheap, are you?

SPEAKER_03 32:53

But that's yeah, and that's the other side of it is is eBay going to bring in a completely different clientele of people that want better quality, higher value stuff. Because that's what they associate with eBay.

SPEAKER_01 33:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:05

Like you said, Whatnot have very, very quickly got a got a reputation for being cheap. And then you were it was an uphill battle after that, you know, because people just seemed to find that Whatnot was somewhere you could go to get really cheap stuff because I think a lot of like the clothing shows and things, things were going for a pound, weren't they? And to then battle against that, that's the expectation that people were coming into your shows with. So the second you wanted more money or you were putting higher prices on, it was like tumbleweed, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like pulling teeth.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

Yeah, definitely. Zebu, Zebu says, I think eBay and whatnot will win and tilt will fail. Okay, we'll come back to that. Do you know what?

SPEAKER_03 33:48

I 100% agree with Tilt. I wrote that off straight away after doing a couple of shows. It's not a great platform.

SPEAKER_01 33:56

Let's go through the chat a bit.

SPEAKER_03 33:58

Trugman put up there, is there not a way to sell to live sell on YouTube? Seems they're missing a trick. Let's not throw another one in.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

We've done it, and some other YouTubers have. I think Nick and Andrea have done it as well. We've done auctions on here as well, but it but the thing is, when you do it like on a platform that's not built for selling, right, the admin and the organization is somewhere else. And was and the lack, the lacking chasing people up for money, chasing people up for addresses, it's an absolute nightmare. When you when you use a platform like Whatnot or eBay Live, everything is built for automation and speed. So when you make a sale, you automatically get the details through, you print the label, you bang it on the parcel, and it's gone. When you don't have that facility, it is a nightmare. And we've done it a couple of times on YouTube, and it it's really chaotic. Chaotic is a really good word for it. Yeah, but it would be good if there was you know a way to do it better.

SPEAKER_03 35:04

I mean, to be fair, we only did it previously just as a variation to the Monday night show, didn't we? Just to spice it up a little. Yeah. Not not for any real reselling purposes. And I think just doing it like that wasn't enough. People enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_01 35:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:20

It was just a nightmare from our side.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

Demise Family said eBay Live for us is stock that's older than three months and has been on the standard Comic Con or not sold on eBay within that time, then it's then it's perfect for the new live platform. Okay. I think everybody's going to have like a different like process for how they work on on the live platforms. Not just talking about eBay Live, it could be whatnot or tilt as well. But yeah, that's an interesting way. So you're basically using it almost as clearance and older stock slash clearance.

SPEAKER_03 35:53

Gentleman Marketeer says, question for Chris in the chat. If you were to ramp up live selling, could you get a huge amount of stock? I suppose it'd depend what you were selling.

SPEAKER_01 36:03

Cloving's the obvious one, isn't it? And Simon will know that because he's a clothing seller. But clothing is the one that you can really get abundance of. But if you were to ramp up live selling, you would really have to go down the wholesale route. You'd either have to find somewhere that you could pick yourself, uh, you know, pick at hand pick at a wholesaler, or find a trusted online wholesaler that you know you can, you know, make your money on.

SPEAKER_03 36:28

You'd have to go into a niche live. Yeah, you'd have to niche up.

SPEAKER_01 36:34

John Luke and Charlotte, because they ended up in mat makeup and cosmetic products because they managed to find a really good but also that is Charlotte's background before she was together with John Luke. She was in that world of makeup and stuff. So she probably had some level of contacts and connections, which is great.

SPEAKER_03 36:57

But that's what you need. You need a regular supplier, don't you?

SPEAKER_01 37:00

You need a regular supplier, you need to be able to find it cheap, reliable. If you're doing clothing, you've got to consider whether it's handpicking. If you can handpick, great. But you've got to do it in bulk. There's in my opinion, Simon, I don't know about you, but in my opinion, I don't think really you can you can sustain live selling just by going around the charity shops.

SPEAKER_03 37:20

Just would be different.

SPEAKER_01 37:22

Impossible, I think, in my opinion. Unless you have multiple contacts where people like will sell you bags and bags of stuff for next to nothing, then fair enough. But if you're just trudging around charity shops looking for stuff on the rails, you can't sustain live selling with that. You've got to have something more bulk, haven't you?

SPEAKER_03 37:39

But is there anything stopping you from basically live selling your eBay store?

SPEAKER_01 37:45

No, I mean you can you can do that.

SPEAKER_03 37:47

So rather than but rather than having a separate lot of stock for eBay live, literally just being you're gonna live sell stuff from your eBay store.

SPEAKER_01 37:56

Yeah, that's what you can do. You can switch it to an auction and start it.

SPEAKER_03 38:02

Right, okay.

SPEAKER_01 38:03

That's what you can do.

SPEAKER_03 38:04

Hi Debs, thanks for joining us. Our internet's a bit glitchy again tonight, it keeps flickering.

SPEAKER_01 38:10

I know. It happens sometimes when I have multiple, because I've got the duck race on a different on a different window.

SPEAKER_03 38:15

Sometimes you can probably see it in Chris's glasses.

SPEAKER_01 38:17

Yeah, you can see it here.

SPEAKER_03 38:18

But I was listening, he has a lovely reflection.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

Only cool stuff here on YouTube says, in terms of prices, I am often getting higher prices than what you would pay on eBay core. People seem to enjoy the bid battling. I noticed, see, last time I saw you on eBay Live, maybe a week or so ago. I think I put a comment on one of your Instagrams saying what do you think's best, whatnot, or eBay. I I noticed you were doing really well on eBay Live. Like some of your prices you were getting for like your neckas and stuff like that, it was great.

SPEAKER_03 38:52

And it was good to see because I know I've seen you struggle on whatnot before.

SPEAKER_01 38:56

Well, we've all struggled, don't get me wrong. But we we have seen Z struggle, I've seen other people struggle, and we've struggled on whatnot. Sometimes you can have an absolutely you can have a horror show, can't you, on live?

SPEAKER_03 39:07

Soul destroying.

SPEAKER_01 39:08

It really is soul destroying, and you know, when you get a good show, it it just really sort of boosts you and makes you think that there is something in it.

SPEAKER_03 39:19

But that in itself shows you that it's not necessarily the platform, it's the clientele that are coming into the platform, isn't it? Because there must be a different clientele coming into eBay who are wanting to, you know, who are wanting to unwilling to pay the prices. Whereas if that same stuff is being put on whatnot, and people people like I said, I'm firmly it's because they expect everything to be dirt cheap.

SPEAKER_01 39:45

Gentlemen Marketeer says he's got a video he's got a video out this week about live selling and breaking down all the margins and stuff. That would be an interesting one, definitely.

SPEAKER_03 39:54

I'd say I'd watch it, but I don't watch Chris's videos.

SPEAKER_01 39:56

Zebu says even a lot of vintage wholesalers get less on whatnot than their own website selling 50 or 100 bales. I've got an offer coming on something. Only cool stuff, I think eBay is already showing better sale prices than it than I ever saw on Whatnot.

SPEAKER_02 40:14

That's good to hear.

SPEAKER_01 40:14

Are you you're still doing both, Z? Is there a point where you decide, you know what? I'm just gonna be on eBay. Is that something that might happen? Let's go down the chat a bit.

SPEAKER_03 40:26

Pause Addie's first eBay package from Demise.

SPEAKER_01 40:31

Uh Louise, hi Lou. It's also about having the right supplier. If you have a great supplier with lower end price unit, you could take some hit on some items and make it up on others. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:40

That's it.

SPEAKER_01 40:40

It's about averages, isn't it? Definitely averages on purchase and averages on sales. That's what you've got to look at.

SPEAKER_03 40:46

Linlan says at least with live eBay you can see the actual item rather than just a photo.

SPEAKER_01 40:53

True. Three-dimensional. Rather than just looking at your listing instead, you know?

SPEAKER_04 40:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:00

Demise says time versus money received makes it worth it. Plus, it's old stock mainly, not the top amount I'd hope, but when you feel like you've had it for long, it's not it's not longer worth anything than then who cares? Yeah, I get you.

SPEAKER_03 41:15

And like with us with whatnot, it's cash back in your pocket to spend on something else.

SPEAKER_01 41:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:19

Even if you only get what you spent on the item, it's back in your pocket.

SPEAKER_01 41:25

Dungeons and JoyPads, another one that does the live selling. I think I think it does both eBay and whatnot. People need to move away from one pound starts, cheap prices bring cheap people. We started doing three pounds on whatnot, didn't we? In the end. In the end, we stopped doing one. I think occasionally we throw in a one pounder, but mainly we started doing three pounds.

SPEAKER_03 41:46

And you know what? It didn't have a massive detrimental effect, did it? I don't think so. I think as long as people think it's worth it.

SPEAKER_02 41:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:53

And we always make sure that everything on there is at least worth the starting bid. So that's the other side of it. If you put rubbish stock on them, people aren't gonna buy it.

SPEAKER_01 42:03

Yeah. Paul Baker says, Do only fans do live something?

SPEAKER_02 42:10

I believe they do. Probably yes. I believe they do.

SPEAKER_01 42:13

I think. Only cool stuff Z says, whatnot is painful. I still can't get it working for me. eBay has buyers who are used to paying eBay prices. That's what I think. And I think that is really, really key, isn't it? Definitely. Swamp Pickers in, welcome.

SPEAKER_03 42:28

Swamp Picker.

SPEAKER_01 42:28

I'm trying to get to the bottom of the chat because I've got a couple of points to raise about live selling.

SPEAKER_03 42:33

Dungeons and JoyPad says you have to, as soon as you highlight it, I can't read it. You have to be a regular, doing it once every now and again, or even once a week regulates you to irrelevancy on a busy platform. Okay. I'm gonna have to get it up on my own phone if you're gonna like do that. Because as soon as you hover on it, I can't see it.

SPEAKER_01 42:57

But you should be looking ahead. Not waiting for me. Get ahead of the game.

SPEAKER_03 43:02

I can't because then we get mixed up in our what we're reading.

SPEAKER_01 43:07

Our vintage planning live selling? Probably not, I can't imagine it. Jesus, they can't. And let's face it, it's hard enough for them to manage the platform just normal, innit?

SPEAKER_03 43:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:17

There's no chance.

SPEAKER_03 43:17

That was a whole other conversation that we had the other day about vintage.

SPEAKER_01 43:21

Uh Rachel says uh when more sellers are on eBay live, it could change the amount things make, viewers in shows, as it's quite small seller-wise at the moment. Yeah, but I I guess there's the flip side to that is when more sellers come on, it might become more attractive to buyers and it might be advertised more by eBay. Something that whatnot is so so bad at is the advertising. And you know, sometimes more choice brings more buyers, I think.

SPEAKER_03 43:52

That wasn't the case with Whatnot, though.

SPEAKER_01 43:55

No, well, because Whatnot became very uneven. Whatnot focused on getting buyers, but they didn't have a clue to how to bring in the sorry, the opposite way. Whatnot focused on sellers. Oh, come and sell on our platform, come and sell this, that, and the other. Oh, we'll give you three iPads to give away, we'll give you this, we'll give you that. But they didn't focus on where we're getting the buyers from. They relied on sellers promoting themselves to get people on the platform.

SPEAKER_03 44:20

And that's where when we were chatting the other day, you said that's where Whatnot became very uneven because it when you had sellers that were getting offered very big incentives from Whatnot to bring customers in, how can you compete as an average Joe just giving one or two giveaways away? Or whatever, and you can't compete when somebody like Chris said is giving an iPad away or giving a PlayStation away. And the competitiveness went away from what you were selling to what people were giving away.

SPEAKER_01 44:54

What whatnot frustrated me a lot in the last year and a half, two years. Like first year, I really enjoyed it, right? Made a decent amount. I think in that first year, I probably made about 11 or 12 grand on whatnot.

SPEAKER_02 45:11

But they weren't any sellers then, was there?

SPEAKER_01 45:13

I made a lot. And also I made a lot in referral commissions as well. So when people were doing those£10 things and a seller gets£10, buyer gets£10. You know, I'll be honest with you here, right? I think I got about five grand out of that deal. Not cash, but to spend on the platform back. And I was buying stuff for my collection, I was buying stuff to resell. Honestly, at one point I had two grand sat in there waiting to spend. And that's how they were relying on people coming onto the platform. And that was their form of advertising. They were spending it like that. But it didn't feel like, in the last two years, it didn't feel like to me it was a fair playing field for all sellers. Because obviously, whatnot were focusing on the big ones, the ones that were bringing in the most money. And by the way, when I say this, I'm not in any way criticizing any of the sellers because it's not their, it's not their fault, and all power to everyone who sells on there. But it's not a fair playing field. When you go live with all your stock and there's three or four other sellers on there, one's got an iPad to give away, one's got a PlayStation 5 to give away, and someone's got a£500 voucher to give away. It's like, well, I might as well just call it a day.

SPEAKER_03 46:36

And some people were only doing that, they weren't even coming on to sell, they were literally going live to give an item away and then disappearing again. And it's like people literally were just coming for the free bit.

SPEAKER_01 46:48

That's how it ended for me on Whatnot. I mean, I'm still on there, but I don't really plan to sell anything else on Whatnot now. I'm gonna try eBay live and I'm gonna give it my best shot. But that's how I kind of came away. It it felt completely unfair.

SPEAKER_03 47:05

We're hoping that eBay doesn't work.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

I hope eBay doesn't do that. I really don't.

SPEAKER_03 47:09

We called it the gamer route, didn't we?

SPEAKER_01 47:11

Game gamification.

SPEAKER_03 47:13

Gamification. We're hoping eBay don't go down the gamification because, in my eyes, and I've said this quite a lot about Whatnot, Whatnot became a social platform rather than a selling platform, and that's when I stopped using it because people were just going on and chatting and doing stuff and rather than selling items, and I'm not there for the social, I want to buy stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:35

True.

SPEAKER_03 47:36

So, but like Chris said, that's because they were doing the the the incentives. So people were going for the freebies, they were going for the competitions, they were going for what they could get, and not necessarily going to buy stuff. And I really hope that eBay doesn't do the same, you know. It's like let's keep it a selling platform because that's what it's supposed to be.

SPEAKER_01 47:55

I would prefer that. What not when whatnot are very heavy on gamification? When I say that, it means like the stuff that they try and lure buyers in to stay on the platform. So things like getting your levels, levels of discounts, you know, trying to build those levels of discounts. And that that in the end of the day, that comes out of our pocket as a seller. Also, things like all the stickers and things that you can pop up on the screen, little games that you can play on the screen.

SPEAKER_03 48:22

Tilt was bad for that.

SPEAKER_01 48:23

Tilt was terrible for that. That stupid little where it used to pop up on the bubble and you could pop it and win some you know, giveaways, everything everything, it everything was you know what it felt like to me? You know, like when you go shopping on Timu and you get bombarded with these offers. Oh, you get£500 worth of vouchers if you buy three things on the next screen, and you spend hours then just scrolling trying to buy three things, and and then it pops up with something else. Oh, earn another£100 voucher, buy another item. It felt like that. Timu is very, very much a gamification shopping site, it's very addictive, and I think whatnot is that, and I really hope that eBay doesn't go down that route for their live selling. I I want I would prefer personally, having having spent three years on whatnot and been there right from the start. I just hope eBay don't go down that route because I I felt in the end it wasn't a fair playing field.

SPEAKER_03 49:21

And like I said, my my view on it as a customer wanting to buy, I want to go on to buy. I don't want to go on to chit chip. I don't want to sit there and listen to somebody waffling on for hours before they sell an item. I just want to go and buy.

SPEAKER_01 49:40

Lou says, I would love to be more regular on whatnot, but I struggle with good suppliers. Whatnot also support all the big sellers with reduced commissions, and smaller sellers suffer. Yeah, the smaller sellers on whatnot really are crushed. I mean, you can go on, you can have like 15 people. That's 30 minutes. I'll I'll put another 10 minutes on it. Um you can go on whatnot to sell, and you can end up with like 15 people on, and then there's someone with 500 people on or 300 people, and you know, I get it, maybe they've got better stuff, but actually the reality is that they're probably they're probably giving something away or something, aren't they?

SPEAKER_03 50:19

Um I've lost where we're up to. I'm up to Andrew Malburn. Yeah, got you, got you, got you.

SPEAKER_01 50:24

Someone I know says eBay Live has totally changed his business in a very positive way. And average, he does at least one show a day, and the items he sells are for for high amounts. That's interesting, I don't know. That's really good feedback. Yeah, good feedback.

SPEAKER_03 50:38

Dungeons and Joy Pass says if you aren't on a hundredk contract and whatnot, you have no chance.

SPEAKER_01 50:43

Good luck to people who get a hundredk contract, though, innit? I mean, don't get me wrong. I mean, and I'm not uh I'm not singling out Jam Luke and Charlotte, they know I wouldn't do that. We've had them on the show and we're friends and everything. They are lovely and they but they work their ass off. Yeah, don't get me wrong, right? If they're getting any kind of contract from whatnot, I say good luck to them because they work bloody hard every single day. But yeah, wouldn't it be nice to have a nice contract like that?

SPEAKER_03 51:14

Yeah, Demai says Mr. Beast and now I know who Mr. Beast is. You didn't know, did you? No. Mr. Beast said no sales whatsoever, only freebies. Freebies. And that's what I mean to me. That's not a selling platform, is it? That's a social platform.

SPEAKER_01 51:28

Oh, Dungeons and Joypad says those contracts are uh you get paid 100k a year to stream a number of hours per week so that the channels are always full. Wow. Right. I didn't know about that. I can see it though. Lin Lynn said, if you do well on eBay Live, would you still keep your eBay store? I don't I don't envisage going to a point where I would just live sell. I I don't envisage that. It's a lot of effort. I don't I don't see that at all. I think I would proper have to niche down into a s and get a proper supplier for something. Yeah, the there'll be more people do much better than me on eBay Live. I would see eBay Live as just a nice addition, a bit like whatnot, a nice additional income on top of the rest of my reselling stuff. That's how I see it, and I I doubt it will be anything different to that.

SPEAKER_03 52:21

Yeah, only cool stuff has got, I think there he said he he didn't have any idea about them contracts, but he said no wonder that they can then let stuff sell for two to three pounds in a room of 400 viewers and not care. Yeah. Because if they're already getting paid to do it, being subsidized, basically being subsidized, aren't they? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:38

Yeah. All the PS5s and iPads are all they're all given to them, I know.

SPEAKER_03 52:43

I think our our opinion of whatnot did dip a little bit when we found out about the giveaway stuff that they were doing, weren't they? Because they did try with you, didn't they? Offering you a wasn't like a big offer though. No, but they offered you a deal in a sense of you can have this amount for giveaways. They offered me a value to spend on giveaways, but you weren't allowed to tell people that it had come from whatnot. And Chris is very much he does everything above board and likes to be transparent, and whatnot were very like cloak and dagger about it. They didn't want you to promote or tell anyone that you had been given.

SPEAKER_01 53:23

It was supplied by whatnot or paid. It was supplied by whatnot. You weren't allowed to say that. I'll probably get in trouble for actually saying that. Well, it's tough, isn't it? We're not on the platform anymore, anyway.

SPEAKER_03 53:31

So we we declined that and wouldn't do it because we said if we can't be transparent about it, then we're not doing it. Whereas we did do it on tilt, but tilt allowed you.

SPEAKER_01 53:41

Tilt said it doesn't matter, you can tell people.

SPEAKER_03 53:43

Tilt allowed us to tell people that it was courtesy of tilt and not coming from us.

SPEAKER_01 53:48

I think that's really important for transparency purposes because I watched a couple of big sellers, and I definitely won't name names on this, don't even push me on it. I watched a couple of big sellers who who actually took tips from people because people were saying, Come on, guys, they're giving away an iPad here, or as an example, they're giving away an iPad here for you, like you know, send them a tip, and they were accepting tips, and they hadn't even provided it, and they hadn't even provided it themselves, and for me, that's not right. Yeah, I know it's difficult because someone sends you a tip, what are you supposed to do? You know, you take it, don't you? But it didn't sit right with me. So there ain't no way that I'm gonna stand up there and say, eh, I've got this amazing thing to give away, you know, you know, it's come out of my pocket, whatever. No. What I wanted to do was, yeah, I'll take the money to get giveaways, but I wanted to say, here's a pro here's a giveaway provided by whatnot, because that's the truth, and I think that's really important for transparency so people know what is going on and where these giveaways are coming from.

SPEAKER_03 54:57

Louise said that TikTok viral and trending stuff has flooded whatnot at the minute.

SPEAKER_01 55:04

Really? I've not really look I only really look at I've got a little bit of I've got about 35 quid in there at the minute, like credit. I've only been looking at the pop stuff.

SPEAKER_03 55:15

I mean, is that is are you talking about because I did say because I recently on TikTok stuff, isn't it? But recently on TikTok as well, they're picking up whatnot for the advertising about whatnot. I've seen that a lot on some of the TikToks. Yeah, there's a lot of the young entrepreneurs that are buying and finding and and and promoting and advertising whatnot now for that for a buying as a buying platform.

SPEAKER_01 55:43

Anyway, we've not really spoke about Tilt, right? We spoke a lot about whatnot.

SPEAKER_03 55:47

That's because we don't like Tilt.

SPEAKER_01 55:49

Um and we spoke a lot about eBay Live, of course. But Tilt, I did try Tilt. I did, I think, two shows. I did I did a a new seller deal with Tilt where I think how much was it? I think they gave they gave us some money for giveaways, and they gave you like if you do like two or three shows, you got like a hundred quid or something, or 150 quid. Can't remember what it was to try the platform out. And I actually I'm not even sure I fulfilled it. Because I think like it. I think we did two shows, and it was a bit of a shit show, to be honest with you, and also I didn't like the back end, it was really hard, it was hard work, the tilt like after sale thing, where you start generating all your labels, and it was difficult to do. I found because I've been used to whatnot, whatnot is super simple when you come to it's very user-friendly, very user-friendly. That's a good thing about whatnot, is very user-friendly, and when you finish the show, it's dead easy to sort out all your parcels. Tilt was difficult. That's what I found anyway. But don't forget, if you're listening or watching now and you you you're a seller on Tilt, it's probably changed because this is about two years now, two years ago. When it first thought it was it was very early tilt, so they've probably improved the platform. So we can't say it's bad now, but that's why we didn't carry on with it.

SPEAKER_03 57:15

But I think the other thing with Tilt didn't quite fit into us and what we do. We found it was a bit leaning towards the younger generation, like high-end clothing and trainers and stuff like that at a cheaper value, so kind of like a on like like a lifestyle depot. That's how it felt. So even though we did do a trainer one, we didn't quite have the stock and what people wanted. So I don't I don't feel like it fitted in. It seemed like quite a niche platform when we started doing it.

SPEAKER_01 57:51

Tilt definitely feels a bit more niche, it was very trainer heavy, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_03 57:55

Yeah, it was a trainer platform, high-end clothing and stuff like that. So it wasn't quite what us old fogies were selling, yeah. But yeah, like you said, it's considering the effort we went into to get onto the platform, it's not like us to give in so easily. But I gave in very quick, and to be fair, we found that the people watching it and the people buying weren't enjoying it either because it wasn't straightforward from purchasing side either. So things like when they did the giveaways, if you won a giveaway, as Oliver Ian, if he's watching, found out. If you won a giveaway, you had to go onto a different page to claim it, or you lost it, and people didn't realise that. So there was a lot of like confusion and stuff going on. It was just very it wasn't straightforward at all, was it? It made it very complicated.

SPEAKER_01 58:46

It wasn't user-friendly, and it's really important. I mean, whatnot is super user-friendly, and you know, it's very easy to get to grips with, and you know, hopefully eBay live will be similar once I've done a few shows on there.

SPEAKER_04 58:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:00

Where do we think it's gonna go live selling, guys? But whilst we wrap up the chat about live selling, who wins? I mean, I I haven't put TikTok in this in this kind of live selling space, but really they are in it. But they kind of encourage you to sell like brand new goods, don't they? Rather than they kind of it's a lot of TMU style stuff on TikTok, isn't it? I'm not sure about selling sort of just secondhand stuff like we do on on TikTok. I don't know whether really that works like they want it to. So I haven't included TikTok, but they are in it, and TikTok are huge with lie selling. Who wins? I mean, are whatnot gonna survive this from eBay Live? What do we think? Right, you can shut up now.

SPEAKER_03 59:52

I'm just looking there at Dungeons and Dungeons and JoyPad's comment, and he said, if Whatnot gave me 100k and an NDA, I wouldn't tell anyone, so you're more of a man than me. That's fine, some people are happy to do that, but Chris is very much a transparent man.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:10

I get where he's coming from, right? But if people are sending you tips based on the fact that you're giving away an iPad that's been provided to you by whatnot, I would really struggle with that. Honest to God. I would actually probably say to people, well, I I understand not disclosing about the NDA and 100k and all that. Yeah, that's the rules, you can't disclose that. But if someone started sending me tips because I was giving away something that didn't cost me anything, I think I'd have to just refund them because it wouldn't feel right to me. Like, if any of you guys are thinking about sending a tip to a seller who's giving away a PlayStation 5 or an iPad, just consider whether it's actually coming out of their pocket or not. And I dare say it probably isn't. I won't say never, because some of the big sellers maybe do give away their own money, but it's probably not.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:05

Yeah, but you you say this, but Chris has turned down many a promo many a promotional offer because it doesn't fit in, fit in with his role or what he's selling, or like I said, he said, you know, he's always maintained, he'll never promote something he's not going to use for the sake of getting money, you know, because that undermines people's view of you, which can then be detrimental to your business. So it's a fine line with this sort of stuff and what you do in the background because people do find stuff out and it then can have an effect on what you do. It's not all about money, it's not all about what you can earn. You know, you do have to have some self-respect and sort of integrity as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:52

I mean, I understand that that deals have to stay quiet if you've signed it to be quiet, but also you do have to have some level of integrity. Sandra Parker says sometimes on whatnot, sellers aren't happy with what price they get. So some buyers will actually send tips because they feel guilty. Yeah, yeah, sometimes they do. And I guess that's up to them if they want to do that or they're okay doing that.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:18

Do you remember when we first started going on whatnot? And I bought a jumper. I bid on a jumper and I won it. And literally, as soon as I won it, the lady started going on saying, Oh, I started it at the wrong price, and you've got it dirt cheap, and I should have got more. And I ended up, I ended up sending her her more money because I felt bad because she went on about it that much. And Chris was like, You won the bid at the price, it's her fault if she put it up for the wrong price. But I felt awful because she just kept going on saying, Oh, I've done it wrong, I've done it wrong, I should have put it up for more. And yeah, that's why I'm no good on these auctions.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:56

Um, Elva Venta Ross says, I tried Poshmark in the early days, was a nice seller community, made lots of friends through it, but they had no clue and no support. At least whatnot is supported better. Yeah, Poshmark sort of what did it last about a year before it died? Never went on it. No, I had an account, I was ready to go, and then it just died.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:14

Is Poshmark the one where everyone moved over onto whatnot when it closed? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:18

That's when you know people started coming across to Whatnot. I'm just going through the chat, guys, because I'm aware of where we are with time-wise. But it's been a really interesting chat, this one. We found out some stuff that we didn't know before.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:32

We did, which is good. It's been an eye-opener.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:37

And let's just see if there's anything else here.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:41

Thank you for all your comments anyway.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:43

And Demise Family says, I feel like eBay sales have gone down this week with the hype of eBay Live growing. I wonder if live selling will take over the sales majorly down the line. Be interesting to see how it goes, Demise. Do you think your set eBay core sales have gone down because your focus has been on eBay Live? Perhaps you're not listing as much as you normally do because of it. Maybe it's that more than anything. Maybe you've not been doing your processes like you normally do because you've been busy with eBay Live. It probably is something like to do with that, I reckon. Only cool stuff, I'm in shock about the 100k thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:26

It's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:27

Dungeons and Joy Pads, people tip streamers for playing a video game, Chris. It's 2026. Yeah, I I even I even get that. I don't mind. I I I have nothing against tipping. Don't get me wrong, I've had plenty of tips, right? People have sent me tips on whatnot loads of times, you know. Oh, thanks for the show, or you know, here's a bit extra, or that went a bit cheap, or you know, keep going, do it, you know. But if someone's specifically sending you a tip for something that that feels dishonest, that I struggle with. All the other tips, bring them on.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:01

Bring them on, I'll have the other tips. You say that you don't get many tips.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:06

No, but I've had I've had tips.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:08

We get the odd one on the on the Monday Night Live shows, don't we? Which is really sweet and sometimes people send tips on here, don't they? But god yeah, I've seen shows, it's crazy. My my boys watch shows that literally people will be watching people sat in a room, and depending how many tips they get, will depend whether a balloon pops above the head and drops them on them, and I'm just like, and this is the world we're in. Someone's making a living from that. I know. Maybe that's what we should do with you. Make you sit with a balloon over your head, we're gunking it, and then see how many people tip it so pop the balloon. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:47

I'll do it. It's an error.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:51

That'd be funny. I don't know where we're up to in the chat.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:56

I'm just going down. Um Concord says ethics and integrity are are important.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:02

I agree.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:03

Well, they are with us anyway. They are with us, definitely. We do try to maintain that line if we can.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:10

Alan Alan Smith says, I've enjoyed eBay Live so far. Got a few bargains from Demise Family. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:17

Tell you what, we've had some really good comments for Demise, so you're obviously doing something right, well done.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:23

And I'm at the bottom of the chat, I think. Which is good.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:27

And I did feel really bad for you the other day when you had all your IT problems. But you you soldiered on and you got it. Straight back on the horse. You did, bless you. There's nothing worse than having IT issues, especially when it's like your first go.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:43

I'll bring back Lou Lou says, bring back the shock ball game. Really enjoyed watching that. I'll bring it back on one proviso that you send it's five pound a shock and you send it as YouTube tips or what is it? Bitcoin. Bitcoin, no. You send it as super chats, and then I'll bring it back.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:06

Tell you what, guys, you'll never understand how painful that ball is. It's so it's pro it does proper give you a shock. Could you imagine doing that as a podcast? All it get is screaming down down. Oh yeah, it wouldn't really work for a podcast. It wouldn't work as a pod as a podcast.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:26

Did we cover everything we wanted to cover on Live Selling, babe? I think so.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:31

I think we got the show.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:32

We've said everything that we wanted to say.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:34

Yeah, we've had a whether that's everything we chatted about on Sunday morning.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:39

No, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:40

I've no idea.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:41

Thanks to the chat. Thank you everyone for getting involved in that because it's interesting to hear everyone's opinions. Everyone's opinions are valid. You know, I'm not saying anyone's right or wrong.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:50

You know. We like healthy discussion though. Healthy discussion. Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:56

Right. Are you gonna do the duck race and get it out of the way?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:00

Before we do that, I think I might have forgotten last week, so I do apologize to all our members. Did I forget to do this last week? Thank you to all our VIP members. We have around 62 members right now, and all the names are coming across the bottom of the screen. I'll pick a few out at random. Karen Evans, Bebo, Coiny Coins, Hartwell Ceramics, Nespresso. Thank you all so much for being part of our membership. It's$2.99 a month, flat, flat amount. It's cheaper than a flat white at Greg's, I think, in it. Maybe a large one. Bell's not even bloody listening, are you?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:40

I was reading the chat.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:41

But yeah, thank you all for being part of our membership. You get to join our Discord group if you do want to join. We're very glitchy tonight, aren't we? So I don't know why. I think I think my MacBook doesn't like it when we have multiple. I've got three different windows open right now, so I don't think it likes it when we have to do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:58

I was just looking at El Ravente's comment there. He's put a cell who was literally smoking a crack pipe on whatnot. I'm not joking, so not worried about being libeless. Is that someone libeless? Someone also went out to their washing line and sold used underwear and flashed for tips. Like I said, it's a social platform. That's not a selling platform. Oh, anyway. Anyway, fingers crossed that eBay Live is let's fingers cross that we're gonna give it our best shot.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:31

I'm not gonna say we're gonna be on there every single day, but when we first start it, I'm gonna give it a go. You know, maybe a couple of streams a week or something, and we'll just see how it goes. Um, John Parker has got his duck race prize from last week. This is a good opportunity, Bo, for you to let everybody watching and listening know if they want to join this duck race that we're about to do, this exciting Monday night highlight. The one that the listeners say they shut off when it happens, where you can win a prize, and I will send that prize anywhere in the world.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:04

Okay, so yeah, here's your opportunity. Instead of shutting off when you're listening to the duck race, get yourself into it. Then you don't have to shut off, you can listen to whether you win or not. So all you need to do is once this show is finished, once this stream is done, go back onto the video and in the comments section underneath, just leave us a comment. Can be anything you wish, preferably on the pleasant side. But if not, if you don't like us, that's fine, stick something else under there.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:31

And make a good comment because it might make comment of the week, which ends the podcast. They've got a comment of the week this week.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:37

Yeah, and that will automatically get you into the following week's duck race. So you have all week to get into it up until 7.59 on a Monday night to get a comment in there and it will enter you into the duck race. You get to win just little cheesy little prizes that either we put up or people that follow the show donate. And then at the end of the year, what we've started doing is a champion of champions. So if you've won a race through the year, you get put into a big one at the end of the year where we do like a hamper, uh, and you become the champion champions duck race winner. So it's all good fun. It's just it's just a good old-fashioned bit of fun. So yeah, instead of shutting off, instead of turning off and not listening, come over to YouTube, join in the fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:28

And we've done we've done it, we've lowered it to a minute instead of two minutes.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:31

One minute duck race. That was a really long explanation, but well done.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:35

What happens when you kiss a frog? Turns into a prince. Try it.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:43

That was predictable, wasn't it? Uh Bell just kissed a frog.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:47

What happens if I if I kiss a prince? It turns into a frog. Well, you didn't, so that means you're not a prince.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:53

I'm confused now. Right. Okay, we're gonna do the duck race, guys. So please stay tuned.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:01

Why is Chris fiddling with a frog's ass? For those of you listening, Chris was fiddling with the frog's bottom.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:08

Stay tuned because when we come back, before we finish, we're gonna talk about Bell's little experience on Vinted this week, which is interesting. It's very short and boring, but yeah, we'll let you know. Don't say that. It's supposed to entice people to stick around for God's sake. Do you not understand this clickbaity stuff?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:24

Yeah, you normally cut me short when I want to do my little stories. Don't you don't normally encourage me.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:30

No, but we need something to keep people entertained until the end. People are shutting off way too quick. We've already lost three with your little spiel a minute ago. Right. Let's get the duck race going.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:46

How many how many have we got in this line? If you have a hundred entrances into the duck race on that, I've never had.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:00

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:01

Never.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:01

We're gonna share the screen now. We're gonna do the duck race. Bell's gonna commentate. So if you're listening and rather than watching, hopefully Bell will give you good enough commentary so you understand exactly what's going on.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:12

And the other side of this is I won't because you can hardly read the names because they all swim out at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:19

42 ducks in tonight's race.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:21

How would you explain to the podcast if they haven't watched it what they're about to witness? It is what it says on the book race. What more explanation do you need? It is an online race with ducks. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:35

Just come on over to YouTube and you'll see.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:38

Surely you've got to be intrigued by now and want to know what the hell's going on. Right, are we ready? Let's get this minute of swimming underway. Ready, steady, go. And we are off. And every single duck has left the starting line all in one go. Let's see who is going to pick their way to the front. So down at the bottom, I can see Rachel Fantastic, dressed as a punk duck. Up at the top, there is 49 Toddy. Uh, Tiny Cloud PTB is a naked duck in the middle, along with Deb Bernardone, who is the little pink one. Um, I can't read any more of the names at the middle. Let's have a look at the middle of the pack. We've got Jeff Davis in the middle of the pack, and it's all froze, so I don't know what's going on. Tiny Cloud is in there. Rockstar Sparkle. Um, our internet is really playing up. Cavallis is pushing his way through the top of the pack there. 49 Taddy is 49 Toddy is still up at the front with Mark Hill, who is now going in the wrong direction. 15 seconds left, and Dizzy J as a princess duck is holding the front of the pack along with Jamie D and Speedfoot Flits. We're down to the last five seconds. This could be anybody's race at the minute, but it looks like it's going to be Babs. She's flying through the middle has won the race in a little pirate outfit, it looks like.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:57

You won.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:58

Well done, Babs. You are now the proud owner of the pink fluffy frog. Well done.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:05

Awesome. Well done, Babs. You know what to do. If you win the duck race, you just need to message me on Instagram, Facebook, or send an email to my email address, which is down below in the description. You need to turn the quacking off. And we'll turn that off. This might actually help the speed of the stream.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:19

That was that was shocking. That was freezing like mad then.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:23

Babs, well done. Are you in, Babs? Are you here? Show yourself, speak now, or forever hold your frog. That's yours.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:34

Jess said, forgetting to mention the VIP subscribers last week was completely understandable. The lovely Paul and me distracted you with talk of sausage parties and tripping over ladders. That is that is good old fashioned entertainment from Carboot Chris's channel.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:50

True, true enough. Babs isn't here, is she?

SPEAKER_03 1:15:52

Swamp Picker has left us. Thank you for joining us. Thanks, Swamp.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:57

Right. Belle, I'm gonna hand over to you because you're gonna talk us through your vintage little vintage experience.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:07

My vintage escapades.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:09

Your escapades.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:10

Yeah, as a lot of you will be aware, I only sell on eBay and Vinted when I've got something to pay for. So I recently picked up my vintage store again because I had some car work that needed doing that was quite expensive. So I wanted to get that paid for. Can we have the short version? No, which it did, which it did. So, but I decided because it was doing all right that I would just carry on because I've still got stuff in my pile out of my wardrobe. Belle's got her own death piles. Yeah, but my death pile is just what I pulled out of my wardrobe. Every time I have a clear out, I just dump it all in the attic and then I was going to take it to a car boot, but I thought I'll put it on Vincent. So yeah, so that's what I've been doing. So I've continued because I'm getting maybe one or two listed one or two sales a week, you know, nothing major but just ticking over.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:02

Well, nothing major got to do with it.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:04

So yeah, and so far, so far, I've been doing all right. Everything I've been selling, no issues, it's all been good. But getting into that little bit of a thing where because I've got a bit of money in my Vincent account, I'm also now buying stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:18

Oh naughty.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:19

You know, when you can kind of like, oh, it's not coming out of my bank, it's coming out of that.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:23

What happens to it being to spend your for your bills?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:26

Because I'd fixed my car, I've just said that I've fixed my car, but because I've still got stuff left to list, I've carried on listing it, and it's a nice little top-up at the minute, you know, because I'm still off work on the sick and I'm spending more on coffees and lunch. So, yeah, so the last couple of weeks I've decided to start buying a couple of bits, and I have to say, most of it's been alright. I still have the usual frustrations that people do not live up to my standards of communication. Most people, when you buy stuff, most people when you buy stuff just don't even acknowledge that you've purchased it and then take days to send stuff out. But anyway, I bought two items. I bought a pair of boots and I bought a brown long gillet thing. Waited ages for them to come. The boots, there was a bit of a saga in buying them. So I purchased the boots, the lady messaged me and said, I'm really sorry, but it's come through as an impost locker that needs a label printing, and I don't have a label printer. Can I cancel the order? Change the postage, will you rebuy it? Yeah, no worries. So that's what she did. So she cancelled, I rebought. It only gave me the option of impost again. She messaged me again and said, Sorry, it's done the same. I still haven't got a label printer. Can you wait till next week? When I'm back in work, I'll print a label and send it out. So I thought, you know what? I'm in no rush. Fine. So we did that. She messaged me literally the week later and said, Right, I've done the label and sending it out to you. Fantastic. They arrived the other day, and she told them it was a size four, and when they came, they were a size three. So I was highly disappointed because I was really looking forward to getting the boots, and it's really frustrating when it's something you want. But on the same day, my brown gillet came as well that I'd been waiting for, and when I opened it, it never seen a size 12 to 14 in its life. It was more like a size 10 to 12 child. Wasn't it tiny? It was tiny, all right. It was it was it was a team who sizing, put it that way. So two orders came in one day that I had to then dispute. The first one I disputed the Gillet. She was fine, she was just like that's the size, blah blah blah blah. But she just said, right, I'll refund you, send it back. Great, sent it back. The boots I did the same. I did a dispute saying, really sorry. And I always messaged the I always messaged them first to let them know. So I messaged her to say, look, I'm really sorry, sent these boots to the wrong size, I'm gonna have to send them back. So I then I did the dispute, didn't hear from her days, didn't hear anything. So eventually I went to Vinted because I thought I'm not getting anywhere. So you can click, not heard anything from the seller. Can Vinted step in? So I did that, and oh my god, they want to know the ins and outs of a duck's backside. So they've wanted me to send pictures of all the faults. There isn't any faults, they're just the wrong size, and I've kept saying this. I sent pictures of these boots in all different directions with the bottom. There's no labels on the inside, there's literally just like the sizing on the bottom. And in between me getting in touch with Inted, the lady then replied to me and said, Really sorry, don't bother sending them back, it's gonna cost me money, it's not worth it. Keep them, but she never refunded me. So I carried on with Vinted. But I'd also in this, because the lady had replied and told me to keep them, I binned the packaging like you would do. And then Vinted basically came back to me the other day and were like, unless you can send us proof of the packaging, we can't continue. And I'm thinking, why? What's the packaging got to do with anything? I'm like, I'm telling you, she sent me the wrong size boots. I'm like, they don't fit me, and I'd happily send them back, she doesn't want them back, and Vintage were just like, no, no, no matter what I said to them, they were like, No, unless you can send us a picture of the packaging, we're gonna cancel and read and give the money to the seller. And I was getting really frustrated. And the stupid thing is, it's only like eight quid, but I got to the point where it was principal. I was like, Why are vintage being so awkward with this? They've sent me the wrong item, they don't fit. So eventually I went back to the lady and just said, Look, are you going to refund me for these boots? I appreciate you've said I can keep them. I'm still happy to send them back. They don't fit, I don't want them. Bless her. She did come back to me and say, I'm really sorry. She said, I just thought Vince would automatically refund you, and they haven't done. So she refunded me. But oh my god, what a freaking palava! Wow. It's like I'd get it if I'd ordered it and I need a lie down. Shut up. I'd get it if I'd ordered it and I was being awkward because I just didn't want it anymore. But she'd literally sent me a pair of boots that were a size smaller than she'd advertised. It was a mistake, I get it. But why was it so difficult? Why were Vinted so insistent on wanting the packaging?

SPEAKER_01 1:22:51

What's the packaging got to do with that query? That's why I don't understand. They're they're always hellbent on this packaging thing. It's like we must see the packaging. It's not nothing to do with the packaging.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:02

Well, I won't be making that mistake again. I will literally be saving the packaging if I've ever got a vintage one.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:10

So you do the same, guys. If you ever got a problem on vintage, save the packaging. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:16

It's just ridiculous, isn't it? It should not have been that difficult. It took what? It's taken me nearly a week. It's taken nearly a week just to get a refund on it because she obviously misunderstood how the refunds worked. But vintage, we're just useless. Absolutely useless. And all they kept saying is, we appreciate what you're saying, but well no, you don't appreciate it, but without proof of packaging. My proof what proof of packaging was proof of packaging.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:52

I think Mel, you could do a proper video on that for our channel, couldn't you?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:56

You could have taken a piss out of my Sounds of the Unexpected says make a video on it. It'd be useful for people, especially if they want to go to sleep at night.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:11

It'd be just great for a podcast that it's sending people to sleep.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:15

Well, that was a long story, Arthur.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:17

It was.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:17

It was.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:19

You have to get all the elements in.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:20

This is what makes the Belle does, right? She goes right back to the beginning. Oh, yeah. Instead of giving us the important bit on the end, which would have been fine.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:28

No.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:28

The little bit about I got some boots at the wrong size, you could have started it there.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:32

No. No. No, because I'd had the trauma of trying to buy them in the first place. So it was it wasn't straightforward. For the sake of a five-pound pair of boots, that's like three weeks of my life on Vincent.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:47

True. Uh Chris Silas says perhaps it's the weight on the label they want to see to make sure you're not pulling a fast one on the weight.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:55

The weight on the label. But what's that got to do with them sending me the wrong size boots? Yeah. I wasn't saying there was a fault, as in like they'd sent me the wrong thing. She'd literally listed them as a four, they were the right boots, just the wrong size.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:12

I think Ross has probably got it right. Vintage probably has a process that triggers AI agents. It's probably not even a person you're speaking to it. Certainly, initially at the first stop, when it asks you for all that information, it's probably just an autore reply, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 1:25:26

Yeah. But it was literally it got hung up on wanting to see actual labels on the boots. So, like it wanted to see, like, you know, where you've got it says, like inside where it's got the size and stuff. And I literally kept putting there are no labels, they don't have a label.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:45

Yeah, it wasn't having it. Concorde says that's why when I list anything on vintage, I put in the measurements. Trouble is when items are made in different parts of the world, it varies enormously. That's true, but the actual sizing was incorrect, wasn't it? It had the sizing on the side.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:01

She just mistaken it had 36 on the bottom, and a 37 is a four. So she just mistaken. Yeah, and put the wrong size on. It was a genuine mistake, but it just shouldn't have taken so long to resolve.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:15

Speedfoot says when they ask you for a picture of the packaging, just send them a crisp packet.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:21

It was quite annoying because I'd only thrown the packaging away the day before as well, thinking, well, she doesn't want them back, so I don't need the packaging. But anyway.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:32

Concorde says, I have a pair of boots the person said were a three, but had the Euro sizes on them, and I looked them up, and it actually a UK child's 13.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:41

Yeah, I think some people just don't.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:43

Oh, there you go. Ross has Ross has backed you up here. Ross says Belle is trying to tell us a story and bringing us on a journey. It's good presenting skills, you'll be after the strictly chop in no time. That's it's it's one hell of a journey, let's put it that way, isn't it? It's look, it's like a winding road that just makes you feel look.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:04

It runs in my it runs in my family. If we're telling you a story, you expect six side stories and a few tangents and twists and turns before we get to the end.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:15

You're very much like your mother.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:16

Yeah, and then normally I've forgotten what the point is.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:19

A very long, a very long story.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:22

And if she's watching, can I just say because I drive Chris mad with this, but I've been going down the route of looking into ADHD because I'm pretty sure it's in my family, and that is a classic ADHD signal. You get we don't like to miss details out, we like to make sure you understand exactly what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:45

Yes, right. You are now. Uh Chris Tyler says, Are you gonna try and sell them on vintage?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:50

She did tell me, bless me, that I could I could sell them on, but obviously I didn't want to until it was all resolved. So yeah, now I will throw them back on vintage. Oh, Ali, come on. I'm with Belted. The details are important. I can spend half an hour explaining my reasoning to Richard and forget what it is about, even about you. I am. I don't like to miss details out. I like to make sure people understand what I'm talking about. All right, we get it.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:18

All right, guys, I think we're done for tonight. Thank you all so much for joining us on a Monday night. Really appreciate you being here, spending your evening with us, joining in with the chat, having a good conversation about live selling. Feel free to drop a comment. If it's a really good comment, I might pick it for comment of the week to end next week's podcast. So if it's good, funny, or interesting, maybe I'll pick. Your comment to end it. We're going to do comment of the week in a minute and then we'll finish tonight's show.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:46

You're not even give people an update on the oh, do you want to give an update?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:50

But can we have the very, very succinct quick version?

SPEAKER_03 1:28:54

Would you like the quick version or the long version, guys?

unknown 1:28:57

Don't ask.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:59

The devil is in the details.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:00

Yeah, true.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:02

No, obviously I wasn't here last week, guys, in the run up to my op. I did have my second op on Thursday last week. Still alive, still kicking. It went okay. A little bit more painful this time. But yeah, all good. We're going back on the 17th, hopefully. To get more updates on what the next steps in the plan are. But other than that, we're okay, aren't we? We're okay for now, aren't we? We're okay for now.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:33

And I've actually I'm actually on the countdown to going back to work. I'm due back in work on the 23rd after being off for nearly three months. So that's going to be a big step in it.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:43

It's more than three months, it's about four months, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:45

Beginning of beginning, no, beginning of January. I went off before my first stop. 8th of January.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:53

So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:54

Three months. Three months. Never had three months off in my life, ever.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:00

Right. Thank you, everyone. Thanks again. We're gonna end, we're gonna end the podcast after comment of the week, which I'm gonna do in a minute. Before that, thank you very, very much again for watching or listening. If you are listening to this podcast, please hit the download button because that means that you'll get served up with next week's podcast immediately that it comes out. And for for for those watching now, if you want to listen back for some bizarre reason, this audio podcast will be available straight after the show. It'll be uploaded almost immediately.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:31

Can I just pick up what Ready Steady Retro said there? Don't forget£10 Greg's voucher for the 200th prize.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:37

I forgot about that Ready Steady Retro. So not only are you getting a frog Babs. Babs. You're also getting a£10 Greg's voucher.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:46

Thank you, Ready Steady Retro. Woohoo! As soon as I've got the details from Babs, I'll connect you two and or you can send me you can send me the voucher and I'll I'll pass it on. But thank you very, very much. Appreciate that a lot. And yes, Ross, Belle is starting her new job, not just yet. The 11th of May.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:12

I've got a start date for the 11th of May.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:14

So she's gonna be going back to her old job for a bit and then starting at a new job. So thank you for asking. Right, let's do comment of the week. It's a quick one, it's a quickie.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:27

N'espresso skid's infashably late. It's an espresso's coming. Is it too late for a birthday shout out?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:34

Oh!

SPEAKER_03 1:31:34

Just got in there with the last second.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:36

Whose birthday is it?

SPEAKER_03 1:31:37

I'm assuming it's an espresso's.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:39

Okay, you have to give me a second because I've not got it on this particular thing. Hang on a second, here we go.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:46

Happy birthday! Woo!

SPEAKER_01 1:31:51

Cookies drop one. Cookies drop one, that's disgusting.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:55

Happy birthday, Trumps. Yeah, happy birthday.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:57

And uh big old Trump from Cookie. Coming your way. Right, here we go. So let me just get ready to end the podcast, but we're gonna do comment of the week. Right. So, for those of you who watched the video that I released at the weekend on YouTube, it was the one with the bum bum cream in it. It was called Brazilian Bum Bum Cream, and I did not have a clue what that was.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:25

I heard that word so many times in the making of that video.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:29

I was editing it and I I was trying to cut that Brazilian Bum Bum Cream bit out. Not out, but I was trying to cut it so it was nice and quick. So Bell heard it a lot.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:38

So yeah, I got a comment on the video. I got lots of comment about the Bum Bum Cream. But this particular one I thought was quite funny. And it's from our very own super fan Lin Lynn. We love Lin Lin. And Lin Lynn said, Bum bum cream is supposed to lift your bum. Lift your bum. Waste of money, it didn't work. Well done, Lin Lynn. Well done, Lin. That's it for today's episode. Don't forget to like or make a comment. I always reply to comments. And if you're on YouTube, hit the subscribe button. If you're on one of the audio channels, hit the download button. And we'll see you next time.