The Mystery Of Vinted’s Phantom Buyers | S07E08

There's a really weird thing happening on Vinted with offers from phantom buyers, have you experienced it?

I'm joined by the infamous "Bargain Bell" for this podcast.

Plus the usual honest interactive reseller chat you've become accustomed to!

My YouTube channel - https://www.youtube.com/@CarBoot_Chris?sub_confirmation=1

My Website - http://www.carbootchris.com

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:04

There's a really weird thing happening on Vintage with offers from phantom buyers. Have you experienced it? My name's Chris, aka Carboot Chris, and I'm a full-time UK online reseller. I operate mainly on eBay but also on vintage and whatnot. I'm bringing a regular podcast all about reselling with a bit of fun thrown in too. Hopefully to keep you company to entertain you and maybe a little bit of education. Who knows? Welcome to the Everything Reselling Podcast. Hello. Sorry, just slightly distracted at the start there. How are you all? Welcome back to Carboot Chris's channel. The Treasure Hunter.

SPEAKER_00 1:00

I think that's somebody else. No. I'm pretty sure there's someone called the Treasure Hunter.

SPEAKER_04 1:04

No, I don't think so. There's only one, thank you very much, and that's me.

SPEAKER_00 1:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:07

Although I've not been doing that much treasure hunting lately. But uh welcome back. Um as I said on the intro there, I'm Carboot Chris. I'm a full-time reseller. It's what I do to make a living. I buy and sell stuff. I flip it online for a profit. That's probably the fastest I've ever said that intro about messing up. And Belle's here as well today. What what do you do? I'm just here purely for entertainment value. Why don't you tell people what you are about to start doing? Because you're going to start a new job soon, aren't you? A real job, not a not a hustle like what I do.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

I I I I have a real job. Currently work for the police, which I have done for the last 16 years, but I'm about to end my policing career and step over into the world of council. Oh yeah. I'm I'm going to Joe Join one of our local councils soon.

SPEAKER_04 1:58

Which council are you joining?

SPEAKER_00 2:00

Denbyshire.

SPEAKER_04 2:01

Denbyshire.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

Denbyshire Council.

SPEAKER_04 2:05

So yeah, whole new What's your job title?

SPEAKER_00 2:09

I'm a care broker.

SPEAKER_04 2:10

A care broker? What does that mean?

SPEAKER_00 2:12

What does that mean? I am the person who I don't know how to describe it. I basically find care packages. I find I find I find I take care packages from like referrals from like social workers and doctors and hospitals, and I then find care companies that can provide those care packages and put the two together and sort out the cost inside of it. So I'm like a middleman. I'm going to be like a middleman between the referrals and the care agencies. So it's kind of like you might be thinking, oh, that's a completely different sidestep. But prior to being in the police, I came from the care background. I worked, I was I was an area manager for a home care company. So I'm kind of been in the I've kind of been in there previously. And I currently work in safeguarding. So that transfers over as well.

SPEAKER_04 3:11

There's a lot of crossover, isn't there?

SPEAKER_00 3:12

So yeah, yeah. But it is going to be a whole new, whole new start. Something fresh, something new. And it's close by at the moment. I work for Devon and Cornwall. So it's a hell of a hell of a trek whenever I have to go back to the office. Like I said, long commute. Six hour drive. Yeah, it is a long commute. So I am very sad because I do love the team that I work with and I love the job that I do. And I am very sad to be leaving everybody. But it's pastures new.

SPEAKER_04 3:38

Yep. On to new things. We're gonna say hello to as many people as possible in the chat here on YouTube. I appreciate if you're listening to this over on one of the audio channels like Spotify or Apple Music or something similar, that it doesn't really mean a lot to you. But this is what we do when we're live on YouTube. So feel free if you are listening to us, like solely listening after the event, then feel free one day to come over to us on YouTube and watch the show live. Like you'll get visuals instead of just audio. Put faces to voices and see what you think. See if you prefer it. And we always like to hear in the chat here if you prefer the audio version or the visual and audio version.

SPEAKER_00 4:21

For all those listening, Bell is currently sat, tucked in a little blankie because it's freezing in here, drinking a cup of coffee out of her lovely kind of Harry Potter cup.

SPEAKER_04 4:32

Okay, right. You ready to do your hellos?

SPEAKER_00 4:36

Thank you for the audio description. And Chris is dressed in his usual City outfit. No, I hardly ever wear City when I'm on the podcast. But you currently have a City cap on, a City jumper on. Have you got City underpants on? No, probably. Don't think so. Right, here we go. And we're off. I've got Linlynn Jeffries, Karen Evans, Deborah Sardeen, Mark Hill, Sharon Island, Rosie Marsden, Helen Graham, Paul Hillman, Richard Payne, Casper the Vinted, Ghost Buyer. I wonder who that is. I wonder who that is. Pumpkin Picker, uh, Ross Craddock, Claddock, M's Demuk, Lisa, Geordie Reesella, Colin Lingus, uh, Life in the First Lane, Bill Higginson, Andrew Milburn, Sandra Parker, El Ravente, Demise Family, Chris Tyler, and we're at the end.

SPEAKER_04 5:33

Oh, you've done well there.

SPEAKER_00 5:35

Well, I failed last week. You did. Wasn't happening, which is a miracle because I don't know if you can tell, but I'm absolutely exhausted. So the fact that my brain managed to stay engaged is a miracle. Had a busy day, haven't we?

SPEAKER_04 5:49

We have, yeah, yeah. We'll talk about that in a second, but I just need to shout out Deb's comment here. This could be comment of the week. Thanks, Debs. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

Love that. Well, the people I candy, I candy on the Monday night, Chris and Bell. The people at home don't know what the people listening don't know what that says because you never read it out. Oh, go on and read it out. Deborah Sardine has put, I prefer the visual version, visual version, because Bell is gorgeous and Chris ain't too bad easier.

SPEAKER_04 6:19

I'll take that. I'll take that all day long. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

Thank you, my sweetheart.

SPEAKER_04 6:25

Lizzie Scott is in as well. Did we say Richard? Hi Lizzie.

SPEAKER_00 6:28

Hope the hope the pooch is doing okay.

SPEAKER_04 6:30

Oh, yeah. Hope everything's okay. Let's just nip back up the chat a little bit, see if there's anything we miss.

SPEAKER_00 6:38

Lots of hellos, helloos, helloes, helloos. Can't believe it's Monday again. Can't believe we're in mid-April.

SPEAKER_04 6:45

Phil Higginson got his duck race prize. Yay! Did you enjoy the sweets, Phil? They are my favourite at the moment, those ones.

SPEAKER_00 6:53

Pumpkin Picker said they got they got their duck race prize in the post today as well.

SPEAKER_04 6:58

Oh, good. And did you enjoy your sweeties? Because they are my favourite ones at the moment.

SPEAKER_00 7:05

Lots and lots of hello's. Thank you all very much. Thanks, Debs. Wishing you every luck and contentment in your new job. Looking forward to it. I've been speaking to my new manager on and off throughout obviously the time. Well, it's been which this is the other thing with my new job. They've been very, very sweet because I got this job in December. And because of my little hump in the road called breast cancer, they've been really kind and delayed my start. So I've been to speaking to my new manager, and they're just so nice, such a nice, they seem like a really nice team. So I am looking forward to it.

SPEAKER_04 7:44

What sweets did they get? said Andrew Milburn. They got um, you know, you know those ice creams that are called mockies. M-O-C-H-I, and they're like Japanese rice thing with ice cream in the middle. Well, there's a sweetie version of that, and they're like little tiny little mockies, and they're like chewy and oh, they're so good.

SPEAKER_01 8:07

I'm confused. When were these part of a duck crease prize?

SPEAKER_04 8:10

I put them in, I bought some. Oh because all I had was that little wind-up duck for Phil and a rubber duck for You mean the rabbit?

SPEAKER_00 8:19

It was a wind-up rabbit.

SPEAKER_04 8:21

Is it? I thought it was a wind-up duck. And just a rubber ducky for pumpkin picker. So I thought it looked a bit sparse, so I went and bought them a pag of sweetseeds. Oh, so even if I didn't know that. There's little things that you you don't see about me. I'm very much and I I live with him. Yeah. There's little these little things.

SPEAKER_00 8:42

When did you even leave the house to buy those?

SPEAKER_04 8:44

I probably did it when I did a parcel run. But they haven't they have them at my parcel shop, and I absolutely love them. And I'm constantly saying, like, when you're getting some more in, but now we're on a diet, I'm not allowed them. So you don't know how hard it was for me to put those sweeties in in a parcel and not eat them.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

Did you sneakily have a pack on the way back as well? No, no. Um El Ranti says, hey Chris and Bell, have you got your crosses and holy water ready to perform an exorcism?

SPEAKER_04 9:10

What does that mean? Oh, is it the ghosts, phantom ghosts?

SPEAKER_00 9:14

Phantom ghosts.

SPEAKER_04 9:16

Vintage Phantom buyers. We'll talk about that in a minute, guys. Really interesting, actually. And I'm hoping you guys might shed some light on what is going on on Vintage because it ain't right. There's something weird happening. And I reckon some of you might have experienced something similar too.

SPEAKER_00 9:52

Steve says he's glad Phil got his prize because he hasn't had his.

SPEAKER_04 9:57

I'm not posting it, Steve. I'm not posting you.

SPEAKER_00 10:00

Did you tell him you weren't posting it?

SPEAKER_04 10:01

No, I didn't. Okay. I thought I'll just I just put it in the cupboard, Steve. Next time we see you, you can have your Smarties, but there's no point in me spending three pounds to post a packet of one pound smarties.

SPEAKER_00 10:17

So I'm pretty sure Chris will crack at some point and find those sweets and eat them.

SPEAKER_04 10:23

No, I am determined to lose a little bit of weight. Since since all this has been going on with your job situation and the cancer situation, the pair of us are really like it's been on the back burner, hasn't it?

SPEAKER_00 10:36

We've eaten anything and everything. To be fair, what we were eating was not a top priority, and we've both worked out we are both emotional eaters. Oh, I am.

unknown 10:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

We are definitely both emotional eaters.

SPEAKER_04 10:47

We've literally like, we've both put on weight, and you know, you guys might say, you know, don't look like it here, but we have.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

And it does it doesn't help because we all know that before all this started, I was already starting to go into perimenopause, and all the women out there will know we all get a bit podgy with that. Oh, yeah, got that too. It's all good fun. It is. Uh Liz says, thanks. She's hanging on, not going for a walk now, but still backs at cars on the TV.

SPEAKER_04 11:17

Ah.

SPEAKER_00 11:18

Bless her. Give her a cuddle from us.

SPEAKER_04 11:20

Ross Craddock says, I'm looking forward to the conversation. I think I know what they are. Oh, okay. Hold that thought until we've discussed it and then come in with your opinions.

SPEAKER_00 11:29

Phil said, You got it wrong as well. He won the Easter hunt, not the duck race.

SPEAKER_04 11:34

That's why you confused me with two duck race people. I just thought that was a wind-up duck. I'm sorry. It looked like a duck to me.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

No, but he didn't win the duck race. He was the Easter hunt.

SPEAKER_04 11:42

I didn't say he won the duck race. It was a wind-up duck.

SPEAKER_00 11:46

It was not it was a rabbit.

SPEAKER_04 11:50

Rabbits are not yellow.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

You can probably hear Cookie still has a cough, but it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be. Now she's on her doggy inhaler. Pumpkin pickers not even opened their parcel yet, and now they know there's sweets inside. I guess some were short.

SPEAKER_04 12:09

Kavalis is currently a few miles away from Jonah Groats in the camper van.

SPEAKER_00 12:14

Oh my mum, my mum, my sister, and niece have all just been up that way. They've just done a 12 days or travelling around Scotland.

SPEAKER_04 12:26

Lizzie Scotty says, Did you see the new charity shop challenge show on BBC One? No. Okay. Is anybody on it who we know or is it a celebrity thing? Let us know. Channel Nem's popped in. Deborah Sardine says, Talking diets, I heard that if you eat an Easter egg that was reduced to half price and only came contains half the calories.

SPEAKER_00 12:48

I'm going with that one.

SPEAKER_04 12:50

Yeah, I'll do that.

SPEAKER_00 12:52

We've got an app. We've gone with an app. And it's got Well, I I'm probably not going to use it long term. I well, I got the app, and he just happens to get it for free by joining onto mine. But it's basically got a little green fluffy monster that gets a sad face and goes all like red and orange coloured when it's not happy with you. Which I must say it pretty much goes, still goes every day for us, even though we're trying.

SPEAKER_04 13:20

We're trying to be good. No, we're doing alright. We're doing fine. I've not had my weigh in yet, but you lost three pounds in the week, didn't you?

SPEAKER_00 13:26

I did lose three pounds, but I'm pretty sure that's because we've been increasing our fluid intake, haven't we? Because we realise we're both rubbish.

SPEAKER_04 13:32

We've been drinking a lot.

SPEAKER_00 13:33

So we've been drinking a lot, so I'm pretty sure it's all just what are flushed out.

SPEAKER_04 13:36

Demise family can't start eating things. Join the club. Life in the first lane. How dare you? For punishment, you can have try the extra hot chili sauce from that chicken shop.

SPEAKER_00 13:50

We may have been there for tea.

SPEAKER_04 13:52

We did go weren't for tea tonight. We had chicken and rice, so it's not really bad.

SPEAKER_00 13:56

Chicken and rice.

SPEAKER_04 13:56

It's like about 600 calories split between two, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 14:01

Yeah, because we we're we're really stingy and we only buy one portion and split it.

SPEAKER_04 14:06

Uh let's try and get down to the bottom of the chat and we can crack on with tonight's uh tonight's chat about vintage and the phantom buyers.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

Bunny was pink, cat the cat liked it. Yeah, cookie loved it as well.

SPEAKER_03 14:23

Uh let's see.

SPEAKER_00 14:27

Cavellus is on day three presently. Beautiful weather, but it's had a bit windy.

SPEAKER_04 14:32

Oh yeah, a big shout out to Demise Family as well. I bought if those of you watched their latest video where he picked up a load of Walking Dead figure figures. Well, guess who bought them all? I bought them all. And I did use their code as well. So I got 30% off. But I still spent, I can't remember how much it was, probably about 100 I don't even know, 140 quid or something like that. But they all arrived today, guys, so thank you very much. Yeah, nine, I think I got nine, nine or ten figures, and they're going straight in my collection. There was, I think they had maybe 11 figures or 10, but I already had one or two of them, so I didn't buy those. I left them for somebody else. And I bought the rest, all of them in one go. And they're down here waiting to oh shh, they're down here waiting to find a home.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

And they may have also come with a separate parcel of small killer clowns.

SPEAKER_04 15:33

Oh, yeah, I got I got myself another killer clown pop from Whatnot, and also got a planes, trains, and automobiles pop, which is really cool from uh Whatnot as well. So they're going in my collection. So I've got a lot to add to my collection.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

And what Chris hasn't said, his Walking Dead collection cabinet is pretty full. So I'm not quite sure where he's putting all those Walking Dead figures.

SPEAKER_04 15:57

I know. I'm gonna have to sell my Gremlins collection to fit them in. That only gives you one shelf. That'll be enough for this one. Will it? Yeah, I'll just move things around a bit. I can't buy anything else though.

SPEAKER_00 16:06

Oh, watch the space then. Gremlins will be on eBay live. Maybe tomorrow.

SPEAKER_04 16:11

Could be tomorrow.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

Maybe tomorrow. The gremlins. He's got some pretty cool gremlin stuff.

SPEAKER_04 16:15

I might put some gremlins on tomorrow's car boot show if you're interested, guys. That might tempt a few of you who've said no, I'd rather stick pins in my eyes. I can see it. 13.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

13.

SPEAKER_04 16:27

30 votes, 13. That's about three people. Three of you miserable guests have said no, you're not coming tomorrow.

SPEAKER_00 16:35

Yeah, I was gonna click that, but I didn't. Just to wind you up. Apparently, that show has Chaddy Pete and Lola on it and some other reselling people. We'll have to dig it out and give it a look. Steve's after them, he said I'll have them. I'm assuming he's talking about are you talking about his gremlins? You want his gremlin stuff?

SPEAKER_04 17:05

He doesn't collect gremlins.

SPEAKER_00 17:07

He's just put his gremlins.

SPEAKER_04 17:08

That's that's exactly what Lana just said to him when she's watching. You don't collect gremlins.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

And Ross is interested.

SPEAKER_04 17:15

Oh, you better tune in then, who knows? I might put some in. You've kind of committed me to it now, and I don't didn't know if I actually wanted to. Look, you need the space.

SPEAKER_00 17:25

You need the space. Just when was the last time you bought some at Gremlins?

SPEAKER_03 17:28

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 17:31

I've stopped really buying you anything because you stopped collecting, so I only ever buy you killer clowns.

SPEAKER_04 17:36

Alright, I'll put a couple of gremlins on tomorrow's show. Six o'clock tomorrow, eBay Live. There's a link up the top of the chat, wherever that is. Where's the chat on? Is it over here? Is it down here? Is it down here? If you're on a phone, it's down here. If you're on the TV, it's over there. Or it's in the corner down here. There's a link there that's pinned, and that you can bookmark my eBay Live tomorrow at 6 p.m. 14th of April, Tuesday the 14th of April, if you're listening back. You may have missed it already. I'm sorry about that. That was a lot in one sentence.

SPEAKER_00 18:07

Yeah, Ross says he collects it eights some 80s and 90s movie linked items. Well, that's what Chris was like. But because he collects, he's got a huge Back to the Future collection, all that pretty much on that side there, from top to bottom, is Back to the Future. And then the rest of it is Jurassic Park. So those two of his main collectibles. And then he's got Walking Dead and Killer Clowns now.

SPEAKER_04 18:33

Yeah, and I've got and I've got random props all around the room that I just got gremlins up there as well. I know I'll keep those ones. I've got random pops that I just like from different films and TV programmes all around the room.

SPEAKER_00 18:44

But you did have a lot of have you still got your Tom Hanks collection over there as well? I've still got Tom Hanks, it's up there, all my Tom Hanks. Oh yeah, so we've got a Tom Hanks collection, so that's got some of the 80s and Knights stuff in it. But you you did have more stuff, but you've slowly been reducing it, haven't you? Because you haven't got enough space.

SPEAKER_04 19:02

No. Yeah, I've been I've been trying to trim down a bit.

SPEAKER_00 19:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:05

In more ways than one. Okay, okay, let's talk about tonight's main chat. And it's all about vintage phantom buyers. Now, I was going to talk about this on last week's podcast, and then Belle came up with a better idea. So I postponed it tonight. Not that that really matters at all, but it's I'm just telling you where my head is at.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

Getting it in there.

SPEAKER_04 19:26

Bell, yeah, Bell kind of pushed it out. Now, this has been happening to me a lot recently. And I'm not sure, has it happened to you much while I was talking about? It's never happened to me. It's never happened to Belle apparently, but I bet it has. It hasn't. So here's what's been happening to me, and it's a certain sec set of circumstances, and it happens almost daily to me. And I'm just wondering, is this just happening to me, or are any of you guys getting this same situation on vintage? It's proper annoying, and it's I'm starting to like come up with conspiracy theories in my head as well about it. I'm really like overthinking it, but it's weird. So listen to this is what's going on. So a certain set of circumstances. The first circumstance is a buyer makes a very fair offer for one of your items, maybe around 10% off. So if I had something listed for 30 quid, they might offer 27 pounds. So it's a very fair offer. I accept the offer, of course. It's a fair offer. And they never pay. Now that's not the end of it because that happens all the time. But then there's a further lot of circumstances that applies to this specific thing. The f the next one is the buyer has zero feedback, so no transactions on their account, zero feedback, no profile picture either. Okay, you think, well, that's not you know everything. Also, a random username that doesn't make sense. So not a word that you can actually read, like a name or a name and a date of birth. Numbers and letters, it's random numbers and letters, and that set of circumstances is happening to me almost on a daily basis. And I started wondering what is going on here? Why are we getting phantom ghost buyers? And I don't think these buyers that are making these offers are real people, I think these are bots. The question is, who's creating these bots and why are they doing it? Because what have they got to gain? Yeah. What have they got to gain from making random offers and then disappearing? And here's the thing, right? Something happened to one of these phantom buyers this week. It might have, was it yesterday or day before, I told you? Right? That made me think even more that these are bots, right? Because I had this set of circumstances happen a couple of days ago. And when I clicked about five less than five minutes later, I clicked on the username of the person of my phantom buyer. I had a look at their account and they've been blocked. So tell me now that that's not a bot. Why are there bots making Offers that are never going to be paid for on vintage. Is this vintage creating false traffic? Is why would a company or an organization make offers that are never going to be purchased? Someone tell me.

SPEAKER_00 22:35

Steve said there, is it like vintage bots to see if the shop is still active?

SPEAKER_04 22:39

I wouldn't have thought so. It's pretty easy to see if someone's shop is active. Yeah, you got selling stuff every day. And you're listing stuff.

SPEAKER_00 22:45

So I don't think it's that, Steve.

SPEAKER_04 22:47

Interesting. Interesting point of view.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

Sounds like buying bots, possibly scam accounts. You've moved it.

SPEAKER_04 22:56

That one.

SPEAKER_00 22:58

It's possibly possibly scammer scam accounts, the two good to be true scam accounts doing RM scams seem to have dried up a bit. But I don't where's the scam though, Ross?

SPEAKER_04 23:09

Where's the scam? Because they never buy. So it's not like they're gonna they buy it and then try and scam you out of the item. They make an offer, you accept it, they disappear. That's normal for vintage, but then they end up getting blocked. And the random username is weird because if I ever create an account, any platform, I always put a name of or a word or something. Yeah, it's not I would never write a random list of usernames and not have a profile picture and have zero feedbacks. These are all the things, all those things are always happening.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

Because I've had a few people that have sent me offers on stuff I've accepted and they haven't bought. So I went back through the ones that I'd done, but all mine had either normal names, most of them had a profile picture. When I went on, they all had some form of feedback or they had items listed themselves. So they all seemed like normal accounts, didn't they?

SPEAKER_04 24:07

So if we got feedback and we've got items listed, then you've got to discount those.

SPEAKER_00 24:10

It was nothing like you were saying that you were getting. So I've never had one of these weird ones.

SPEAKER_04 24:16

So I wondered if they're targeting business sellers, if it's if if it's a business account for the colours, Ross says Vintage is renowned for it now. I lose out sniping constantly because they search prices and make offers, etc. But you you what you don't lose out on something if someone makes an offer and doesn't buy.

SPEAKER_00 24:37

So because it's still available, it's still available, so you don't lose out on that. Because somebody purchased something off me the other day. Literally, I'd I had an offer on it and I accepted it, and then somebody else messaged me about five minutes later to ask me about the same item. And I literally just I literally messaged said, Look, someone's just offered me a price, but they haven't paid yet. If you want it, you need to buy it. And they bought it, and until it until it's paid for, it's free for all. Anyone can have it.

SPEAKER_04 25:07

I've been chatting to Chat GPT as you do when you get a situation like this, and I know Ross has said he's gonna do it as well. And this is a response I got from ChatGPT, and they went through that a number of scenarios of why this is likely happening. The first one was said to be low-friction tire kickers, so they're basically buyers who just put in offers willy-nilly and then you know, most of the time never end up buying. I kind of discount that because of the kind of accounts they're coming from. Zero feedbacks, remember, random user names, and no profile picture. It's a bit weird. The second suggestion was fresh accounts, low trust, and burner behavior. Again, I I discount that as well. I don't think generally people make their accounts like that. Uh, and the third one was bots and automated scripts. Less common but possible, it says. And Chat GPT says on this one, there have been reports of auto-offer bots, scraping tools testing seller responsiveness, competitor tools monitoring pricing reactions. I think that's a bit far-fetched. Um, why would bots do this? To test your lowest acceptable price, to trigger algorithm engagement signals that offers equal activity on vintage, potentially map pricing across similar listings. Maybe, maybe. Another thing that GPT said was it might be an algorithm side effect. I don't see it. I don't see that. So I don't know. I just find this really weird. Like, is there something underhand going on here? You know, how are Vinted creating these accounts?

SPEAKER_00 27:01

What actual damage is it doing to you?

SPEAKER_04 27:04

It's not, but it's just weird.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

So Cyril Smith said they had a phantom buyer today. It does annoy me a little on Vinted.

SPEAKER_04 27:11

Did Cyril, did your did your phantom buyer fit that profile that I was talking about? Pumpkin Picker says, Wonder if they send offers to make the accounts look more legit, as usually they get you to buy from them and never send it. But yeah, making offers doesn't show up on your account, does it? So it's not like it makes you look like you've got a better account.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

Yeah. And because this isn't the same account, this is multiple different ones, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 27:42

Yeah, it's not the same person.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

Elrevent said, no, I think it might be people setting up fake accounts. Maybe it's for interaction, so they look like a buyer too.

SPEAKER_04 27:50

Maybe.

SPEAKER_00 27:51

Could it be a virus when you click on a profile?

SPEAKER_04 27:54

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

So maybe false activity to make the account look more real.

SPEAKER_04 27:59

Maybe.

SPEAKER_00 28:01

Are they items that are cross-listed from eBay? Could it be something from the crosslisting side of things?

SPEAKER_04 28:06

Well, everything I have on vintage is also on eBay, but not everything I have on eBay is on vintage, if you get my direct. So, yes, everything on vintage is also on eBay.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

And random phantom buyer says they're not AI, they're a real buyer. They're a real boy. So Steve said, So instead of speaking to vintage, you go running to your girlfriend's chat, your girlfriend chat G. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:33

There's absolutely zero point speaking to Vintage about anything. They would just come back and give you some absolute nonsense if indeed you even got an answer.

SPEAKER_00 28:42

Marissa says it's definitely bots. I work in automation. It could be it could be people possibly testing their bot to see how far in purchasing they can get.

SPEAKER_04 28:52

Ah, now that one, that answer makes pretty decent sense. Thank you, Marissa. I like that one. I mean, I'm not saying anybody's right or wrong here, but that one to me makes logical sense. That could be it, couldn't it? There is a lot of bots that buy on vintage.

SPEAKER_00 29:10

Maybe it's North Korea priming vintage for a cyber attack. I'm laughing, but it is it's not far, it's not that far-fetched, is it? Oh, my little monsters reminding me we haven't started half ass, but that's because I'm still drinking my brew, so we'll have to wait. We're supposed to start it at half eight, but we'll have to wait.

SPEAKER_04 29:28

Or Marissa said, Oh, buying bots, but people decide not to buy after offer has accepted. Yeah, I think this is most likely what it is. Honest to God, I think it is that. Or it's something weird going on behind the scenes at vintage that they're using these phantom accounts to either test, like Chat G said, testing responsiveness of sellers, maybe I don't know, to see what kind of a seller they are. I don't know, that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 29:56

Cyril said yes, it was random name with no feedback.

SPEAKER_04 29:59

Okay, so you've had a phantom buyer like me.

SPEAKER_00 30:03

Demise says, How do you sleep at night? What do you mean? I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 30:07

When?

SPEAKER_00 30:07

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 30:09

What does that mean, Demise? How do we sleep at night?

SPEAKER_00 30:12

I don't know. No, you, not me. El Revent says, great point, Marissa. Could it be AI agents people have made to buy that don't work? Possibly. Sharon says, anything due to being due to being linked with the USA now?

SPEAKER_04 30:30

Who knows? Could be. I didn't notice one thing I'm gonna have a look at next time I get one is if I can see where their account is from located. I've not thought of looking at that. Because the last one I clicked on, they were blocked. So they've been blocked within minutes of making an offer to me. They've been blocked, which tells me that it'll probably a bot of some kind.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

And that would make it sound like it's not being done by Vintage because then Vintage are blocking it.

SPEAKER_04 30:57

Blocking themselves.

SPEAKER_00 30:58

Yeah. Ross says, Mine's mine says the same as your chat GTP. Algorithm manipulation, vintage wouldn't have all of that information about lowest prices, etc. It wouldn't need the information. My guess would be price gathering.

SPEAKER_04 31:14

Could be.

SPEAKER_00 31:15

Marissa says, doubt it's AI, it's people writing the scripts in code.

SPEAKER_04 31:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 31:23

Smart off buying bot is crazy if that's a thing.

SPEAKER_04 31:29

You can you can get buying bots. You can sign up to these, yeah. To these these deals where you know it will snipe or make offers for you on certain like they use them on eBay, don't they? Yeah, on certain like keyword stuff, you know, like if you really wanted like high-end. I haven't really got well, I've got a few high-end bits, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:50

Uh Ross says it's gotten worse since eBay bought Depop. Perhaps there is a conspiracy at the price gathering. Maybe. Who knows? Any of this could be true. Nothing's that far-fetched in this day and age. Jeff popped in. Hi, Jeff. Oh, I wonder where the phantom person's gone. Oh, yeah, he vanished. Marissa said any user data is probably going to be generated randomly. It's very easy to do. Yeah. Everyone's saying hi to Jeff. Jeff's been here since the beginning. We know you.

SPEAKER_04 32:24

Eight different accounts.

SPEAKER_00 32:26

Yeah, we know who you are.

SPEAKER_04 32:28

It's weird though, innit? I just find it very odd. As far as I'm aware, you don't see behaviour like that on eBay. So it's weird how you get it on vintage.

SPEAKER_00 32:39

But we know that vintage is nowhere near as well police.

SPEAKER_04 32:43

At the end of the day, you know, I've not been scammed or none. We haven't been scammed about with this.

SPEAKER_00 32:48

That you know of.

SPEAKER_04 32:49

Not as yet.

SPEAKER_00 32:51

But could it be the will of the wist, the loch nest monster, the scotch mist, or even more elusive, an e-bye gum? Could be an e-bike gum, it could be e-by gum looking for information, couldn't it? Ain't good. Oh, that's funny. People are listening to this going, what the hell is e by gum? I still to this day have not been on e-bugum. Why not? I don't know. I forget. I say it every time when someone reminds me, and then I go away and I forget. I need to have a look. So, what else have you got on this?

SPEAKER_04 33:25

That's pretty much it. I mean, I went into a whole chat with ChatGPT about it, and they were sort of saying, like, if they're just offers that aren't accepted, don't worry about it, which obviously is what I'm what I'm thinking. And their advice is basically don't overreact to offers, treat offers as interest signals rather than sales, which that's what they are, aren't they? They're not a sale until somebody actually goes and pays for it. So you have to kind of detach yourself from the offer to the sale point so that you don't get yourself annoyed about it. And I'm not really annoyed about that because it's something that happens on vintage, you know, it happens all the time. Offers come in and you know and they never get paid for. It's just the fact that these are weird bot type offers, like not real, they're not real offers, you know what I mean? And GPT also says sort of instead of instantly accepting wait of wait five to fifteen minutes or counter buy one pound less than their offer. And why do that? It says, because bots often don't respond to counter offers, and real buyers do. Yeah. I think that pretty much is about it. I just wanted to see if you guys were finding the same. And you know, what's Vinti gonna be like if these bots start flooding the platform? You know, it's gonna be a bit, it's a bit crap, isn't it? Having phantom buyers just flooding the platform. Yeah, that's pretty much it. I'm just looking through the rest of the chat. Yeah, but also what ChatGPT was saying to me was that offers, whether you're they're incoming or outgoing, actually helps create activity for your account. So I guess if you look at it from that point of view, it's helping to get people towards my items and potentially somebody else might make a purchase, even if it's not the bot or the person behind the bot. So, you know, activity is good, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 35:30

I'm trying to start my fast talking about apps doing stupid things, and it's doing that, it's saying start your start your fast at 20:35, what it is now, but when I go to start fast, it says Monday at 10 to 7.

SPEAKER_04 35:46

Do you do know here we're in we're in the middle of a live show?

SPEAKER_00 35:49

Yeah, but it's relevant because we're talking about apps doing stupid things.

SPEAKER_04 35:55

We're in the middle of a live show, and Bell's just off dealing with her diet, so but we have to start, and it's not letting me start.

SPEAKER_00 36:02

It's basically telling me I've been fasting for an hour and 37 minutes.

SPEAKER_04 36:08

It's doing that to me. Start fast at 6.25.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

What's wrong with it?

SPEAKER_04 36:14

I'll just start it.

SPEAKER_01 36:16

Well, that'll end it early. That's cheating.

SPEAKER_04 36:18

I'll end it early. Who cares? So you have to end it. I'm only cheating myself.

SPEAKER_01 36:21

You have to end it later.

SPEAKER_04 36:22

I'll end it later. Let's get back to the chat. Beastie boy, welcome. Is there anything in particular you have noticed that is similar about the items now? Easy, easy just listed or items that are worth a lot more. Sounds like buying bots that people are not following through on. Yeah, you're probably right, a bit like Melissa was saying. But no, I've not noticed a pattern on whether it's something that I've just immediately listed and a bot has picked it up very quickly. It's definitely not that. I think I would have noticed that. But yeah, uh, I think you're probably right on that. I think you and Melissa, is it Melissa? Marissa Marissa. I'm probably right with that. Seems the most logical explanation.

SPEAKER_00 37:06

Redistro said I've only seen to get it with eBay vintage cross-listed items, not vintage or eBay only. Could be eBay bots annoying their platform tracers.

SPEAKER_04 37:16

Really, you reckon? Now that is tin hat stuff.

SPEAKER_00 37:19

But you should have a look and see if that's the thing. If the items it's happening on are ones you've cross-listed. How can you?

SPEAKER_04 37:25

But everything on vintage is come from eBay.

SPEAKER_00 37:28

That's what my cross-listed.

SPEAKER_04 37:30

That's yeah, everything is. Oh right. Everything.

SPEAKER_00 37:32

That's how I Well, that's why it's happening to you more then.

SPEAKER_04 37:35

Maybe. But if that is the if that is it.

SPEAKER_00 37:38

Andrew said, why not next time say no to the offer and see what happens?

SPEAKER_04 37:42

Oh, nothing will happen, will it? Because if you say no to an offer, nothing does happen. Generally, unless somebody comes back with another offer.

SPEAKER_00 37:51

Steve said could be worse, they could offer pay and not pick up.

SPEAKER_04 37:54

True.

SPEAKER_00 37:56

El Raventa says, Maybe Chris, they thought you were charging too much.

SPEAKER_04 38:00

Well, yeah. I probably was.

SPEAKER_00 38:02

Marissa said it's a really hard balance for vintage, blocking actual bots and just fast people complaining about being banned all the time for genuine activity. It's tricky and expensive to figure out.

SPEAKER_04 38:15

Yeah, I can see that.

SPEAKER_00 38:16

El Raventa said, I've noticed people getting banned for stupid reason, and checks in progress on vintage have died down recently.

SPEAKER_04 38:24

Okay. Uh Sandra Parker said, Hi Bell, I fast every day and I've lost six stone in a week.

SPEAKER_00 38:35

Mine just says six stone, it doesn't say in a well, this isn't the first time we've done fasting.

SPEAKER_04 38:44

Yeah, we've done it before.

SPEAKER_00 38:45

We've done it previously. We did keto and fasting. And we did lose weight then, didn't we? But we did pretty strict keto. We cut all carbs out, all sugar out. We were really strict. We don't want to go back to that because we do like the odd treat. So it's a case of finding a balance with the fasting and eating better. But we are getting there, aren't we? We've we've we've not had any proper snacky, sweetie stuff.

SPEAKER_04 39:14

Not really, no, not like proper, like sugary stuff. Um I've really tried to cut the sugar.

SPEAKER_00 39:21

I mean, today, because we were busy through the day, we've ended up having just a tea, haven't we?

SPEAKER_04 39:26

We didn't have not had any lunch today.

SPEAKER_00 39:28

Not even had any lunch.

SPEAKER_04 39:29

Chris Tyler said next time you get one, send them a message chatting, chatting them up, see what comes back.

SPEAKER_00 39:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:36

I think Bell might have something to say about that.

SPEAKER_00 39:38

Yeah, I would. But well done on the weight loss, and I really hope that we can be sat here saying that we've lost some weight as well.

SPEAKER_04 39:45

Six stone, because there'll be nothing left of me or Belle. So, yeah, but six stones, incredible, well done.

SPEAKER_00 39:51

I'll be happy if I can lose one. Because one stone would be a miracle at the moment.

SPEAKER_04 39:57

Honestly, one stone is really all I want to lose. I I'm just trying to get rid of the puppy fat that's coming up.

SPEAKER_00 40:03

Puppy fat, you mean the love handles. And for those listening, that's mean.

SPEAKER_04 40:11

For those listening, Chris has just pulled a really fat impressed face at me. That is mean. I'm not your friend anymore. I'm a very self-conscious person. You know that. What's the difference between you? Imagine if I'd have said that to her, what I would have got. What's and what you would have done to me. What's that? If I'd have said that.

SPEAKER_00 40:30

What's the difference between puppy fat and love handles?

SPEAKER_04 40:35

I'm allowed to say just like you, just like you. I'm allowed to say it about myself, but I'm not allowed to say it.

SPEAKER_00 40:41

Oh, I didn't realise that I couldn't say it.

SPEAKER_04 40:43

Yeah. You're not allowed.

SPEAKER_00 40:47

And you do say it about me. I've never. Just not on tele. Never, ever, ever. Just not in front of people. Never. Behind closed doors. You're mean.

SPEAKER_04 40:57

Never. I'm only joking. It's fine.

SPEAKER_00 41:03

Demise says, I love the way I feel on keto, but the restrictions are hard. We were the same. We loved how it made us feel. We felt so much better in ourselves. Yeah. But we don't really have much. It's not much fun, is it? No, we don't really have much we do in life outside of work other than treating ourselves to something like going out for a coffee and a cake.

SPEAKER_04 41:25

We make our life sound so great.

SPEAKER_00 41:27

Well, what else do we do apart from car boots?

SPEAKER_04 41:31

You've literally just made our life sound like the boring, most boring life that can ever that can ever be.

SPEAKER_00 41:37

But we're happy.

SPEAKER_04 41:38

Nobody wants to be us right now.

SPEAKER_00 41:39

We're happy with boring life. All I'm saying is we don't drink, we don't go out partying, we don't our entertainment outside of the house is food. We go for a meal, we go for a snack, we go for a coffee and a cake, we go to the cinema and our popcorn. That's we like food.

SPEAKER_04 41:57

Yeah, we do like food. But we need to just like it a little bit less.

SPEAKER_00 42:01

A little bit less.

SPEAKER_04 42:02

In in moderation.

SPEAKER_00 42:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:06

Let's go down the chat a bit.

SPEAKER_00 42:08

Is this an inappropriate time to mention I've just devoured half a bag of jelly beans? No, not at all. Did you enjoy them? If you enjoyed them, it's all good.

SPEAKER_04 42:22

Jeff says, lose weight, not me. I'm prepping for the coming great famine of 2027.

SPEAKER_00 42:28

We might all need to be with you with you there, Jeff. Both started a diet and a little bit mean to each other.

SPEAKER_04 42:35

I'm never mean to I'm never mean to Belle. Never. She's always mean to me. This is a wrong way. She's gonna kill me afterwards.

SPEAKER_00 42:47

I am because you're making me out to be a bad person. You literally called me fat live on YouTube. Now you just now you're just dragging it out of making me sound bad.

SPEAKER_04 43:00

You know, many kids. But you know, when I do that, I can see my mum do this.

SPEAKER_00 43:04

I'm not saying anything. No comment.

SPEAKER_04 43:09

Oh dear. There you go. M's Den says your life sounds exactly like exactly. There's nothing because these guys are trying as well, aren't they, at the moment to lose a little bit of weight.

SPEAKER_00 43:18

There's nothing long wrong with having a low-key life. Nothing wrong with it. We quite enjoy it. We hate it if we have to do anything too energetic or healthy. I don't like leaving the house most of the time, so it's fine. And obviously, when it comes to our weight loss, we can't, well, I say we, I can't turn to exercise because of my chronic fatigue, my ME. So dieting is pretty much all I've got. And we are trying to increase our exercise, aren't we? A little bit. Cookie doesn't know what's hits her. She's been getting two walks a day instead of one while the weather's been nice.

SPEAKER_03 43:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:53

So we are trying to do little things.

SPEAKER_04 43:57

You're very trying. Life in the first lane says, Chris. Chris, you don't need Bell's help to sound boring after 30 minutes of vintage box chat. In case you haven't noticed, Steve, you're on a reselling channel and we talk about reselling stuff. Well, that's what we do.

SPEAKER_00 44:16

I try not to, but he makes me do it. Oh, it's that that's Deborah's prep for mass famine as well.

SPEAKER_04 44:23

Pumpkin picker's lost eight pounds in the last three weeks. But I accidentally just demolished those sweet stuff.

SPEAKER_00 44:30

Well, well done on your eight pound loss. Because you know what? Coming from me in recent years, losing one pound is hard. Never mind eight. So yeah, I'd be well chussed if I'd lost eight pounds.

SPEAKER_04 44:44

Chris Tyler says you need to have more sausages.

SPEAKER_00 44:46

Sausages are filling three a day keeps the scales. Well, Em's Den, you know, they love sausages. To be fair, I do we do tend to have a stock of cooked sausages in the fridge for snacking on, don't we? Just when we want we're a bit peckish. But we do try to get the good sausages. Like the high meat. The meaty ones, the high meat value ones that don't have as much rubbish in them.

SPEAKER_03 45:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:12

We'll get there in the end.

SPEAKER_04 45:14

Yeah, we will. Now, in case you haven't noticed, in the live chat here, I have put a link to my eBay live show, which we're doing tomorrow. That's Tuesday, the 14th of April at 6 pm. So please come and join us. I've put a link to that at the top of the chat. If you click that link, it will take you to the show. It won't be there yet, but other than you'll be able to bookmark it and set a reminder so you don't forget. It's going to be a car boot sales show. So it's going to be all kinds of random stuff. There's going to be some absolute treasures in there, some bargains, one pound starts, and some discounted premium items too.

SPEAKER_00 45:52

Also, just looking at just looking at Regis, Rachel, that's another type of exercise that burns calorie efficiency. There's always one that goes into the gutter level. But did you not just say the point where we both said we're knackered and boring? That would take effort.

SPEAKER_04 46:09

I put a poll in the chat and I said, I always fancy starting up my own car boots. Are you coming? Um at 6 p.m., 14th of April. And 66% of people of the 41 votes have said yes, they are coming. So I hope to see you there. 22% have said maybe, and 12% have said no, I'd rather stick pins in my eyes.

SPEAKER_00 46:31

And I wasn't one of them because I didn't go, I didn't do it, I didn't click.

SPEAKER_04 46:34

What did you click? Of course.

SPEAKER_00 46:36

Do I have a choice but to be there?

SPEAKER_04 46:38

Yeah, you're gonna be there because you're gonna be doing the uh admin.

SPEAKER_00 46:41

We do like hex sausages, that's what we had recently. They were nice and heck sausages, but they are expensive.

SPEAKER_04 46:47

Carboot Live, yes, demise. Please come and join us. You can spend some of that money, hasn't you?

SPEAKER_00 46:52

Evan Spence says sausages are a great smack. Deb said, my tip for a world shortage of food, ready tinned potatoes, eat hot or cold, tin custard the same, tinned baked beans sausage.

SPEAKER_04 47:08

Oh that's funny when was the last time you had a sausage today? Oh what did Jeff say here to make it feel more like a real car boot eBay live show? Will you film it from your car boot? No, I won't, Jeff. It's too cold. The weather is too unpredictable, but it's actually quite an interesting idea.

SPEAKER_00 47:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:31

Could pull the car on the drive, set it up in the boot and film it from there, couldn't you?

SPEAKER_00 47:35

Maybe one day. Maybe in the summer. Maybe one day when it's actually warm here.

SPEAKER_04 47:38

Actually, I really like that idea, Jeff. It'd be quite a novelty, won't it? Put everything in the car boot.

SPEAKER_00 47:43

And you'd look like an absolute knob with all the neighbours. Could you imagine the neighbours across the road who we got on with lovely? They would definitely be in the background doing all sorts of weird and strange things.

SPEAKER_04 47:59

Right, guys, we're gonna do the duck race, and when we're gonna come back, I'm gonna talk to you a little about a bit about eBay live because last week's eBay Live did not really go as planned. It was it was a bit of a well, I'll I'll stop short of saying disaster, but it didn't go as well as planned. Now, if you want to hear a bit more about that, you're gonna have to wait until just a few minutes after tonight's duck race.

SPEAKER_00 48:29

And I'll tell you the oh no that we did the other day.

SPEAKER_04 48:32

Yeah, oh I know what this is, I know what you're going to say, and you don't want to miss it. It is basically old, we are old farts, and this proves it. So while I'm setting up the duck race, do you want to tell people how they can actually take part in the duck ways? Duck waste.

SPEAKER_00 48:50

Duck waste. Duck waste. Uh well, for anybody listening that has never watched us and has got no idea what they're about to encounter. We basically do, as it says on the tin, a virtual duck race that you can enter each week. And if you win, you get a prize. Only a little prize, but a prize. If you do want to enter, you you'll have to come over to our YouTube channel. When this video is finished, when this show is finished, go to the comments section and leave a comment, and that will automatically enter you into the following week's duck race. And then what we started doing the last few years, at the end of the year, around Christmas time, we do a champions of champions where anybody that's won a race gets put into an extra race and they win a hamper. So yeah, it's all good fun, isn't it? Yeah, all good fun.

SPEAKER_04 49:38

Okie dokie. Right. Should we do this duck race? You're doing this because I've done it two weeks.

SPEAKER_00 49:43

I've done it two weeks.

SPEAKER_04 49:44

Why are you so mean to me? Because you're horrible. I told you, but she's horrible, ain't it?

SPEAKER_01 49:50

You deserve it.

SPEAKER_04 49:51

Right, here we go. Right, you need to pull a funny face. The 200 and 205th duck race. Wow. Here we go. You ready? Oh, for those of people listening, you don't know what you're missing when you if you're not here live watching us. Okay, we're gonna shuffle these ducks and there you go. Oh my god. When we go to the duck race, we pull a funny face because that's what people get stuck with.

SPEAKER_00 50:26

It freezes our screen.

SPEAKER_04 50:27

Yeah. For some unb unknown, bizarre reason. The ducks are off. And they're off to a fine start. Jeff Davis is leading. He's come all the way from America for this race. He's in the B duck. Uh Sammy Valentino is uh I can't read that one. Pumpkin Pickers in a naked duck, Dirl Wanger. We've got Kavalis and Simon Elliott's up there. It's very close at the front. There's about seven ducks all in a row, all very close to the front. You can barely tell who's leaving at this point. Lin Lynn's up there as well. Sammy Valentino is leading with the Doctor Duck. Deborah Sardine's coming up through the middle with AMPR at the bottom. Nets Bresso there is very close as well. Kabu Keith's coming through the middle of the pack. Jeff Davis is hanging in there. And Chris Tyler now takes the lead with the green spotty duck with just over a minute left on the clock. Chris Tyler is leading the duck race. Ready Steady Retro now takes the lead in the purple duck. And the pack is very tightly, very tightly packed. Who's that? Peter Ray's Adventures is that? Peter Ray's in the middle there. We've got uh we don't even talk about Donald Trump, but he's got his own duck. And he's in the middle there. Chris, Chris Brophy is Trump today. Richard Payne leads the race now. It's very, very close. Our eventer, Peter Ray, Richard Payne, Rosie Marsden, all towards the front there with 30 seconds on the clock. Who's going to get this one? Who's going to win the race? Um no one knows until the very last second. It can be that close. Normally, it's not the person leading with five seconds left, but let's see. All right, here we go. 15 seconds to go. And the pack splits open. It's open wide now. Peter Ray leading with 10 seconds to go. Peter Ray's going to win this one with a canter. Peter Ray's easily got it. No, he hasn't. Susan could have it. Susan's leading. No, AMPR's now leading with two seconds to go. AMPR. AMPR. Well done to you. You won tonight's duck race. You get a mystery prize. I might even put some of my sweeties in there for you, too.

SPEAKER_00 52:42

I like the way that these have all come and become mystery prizes because we just aren't. I forget. We just aren't on top of it.

SPEAKER_04 52:48

I will just pick something to send you as a prize. And who knows if you're very, very lucky, AMPR. I might put some sweeties in there, but no promises because it depends what prize I pick out.

SPEAKER_00 53:01

AMPR has definitely won before, aren't they?

SPEAKER_04 53:04

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 53:06

Channel name AMPJ, not R. I know we that, but we call in AMPR.

SPEAKER_04 53:10

It's AMPR, as far as I'm concerned. AMPR. Is AMPR in? Call in, calling AMPR.

SPEAKER_00 53:19

I wonder if anyone can see. Look at this. Look at this that I've just been sent. That is our little fur grandbaby. So that's my my son and daughter-in-law's little cute dog. What is it? A cavacocka poo. That's not a real thing. A cava cockka-poo, she's not. It's a Heinz 57. She's not, she's only a puppy, isn't she? She's beautiful, but she had a haircut. Oh, little Lelo. She's just the sweetest.

SPEAKER_04 53:44

Anyway, AMPR, if you are watching back, which I expect you will be at some point in the future, send me a message when you're ready and we'll get a prize out to you. Well done to you. Now we're gonna talk about. Oh, I'll tell you what. Should we do the oh no first? Yeah, it's only a quick one. Hang on, don't do it. I've got a I've got a a little VT for that. Okay. Here we go. Oh no. Alright, go on, you can do it. You've been dying to tell this one.

SPEAKER_00 54:22

It it was just because it was so stupid. We went out over the weekend to do a couple of jumble trails, and on the way back, we came back through Denver. And we've been here nearly three years, and we've never been up to the castle at Denver. So I said to Chris, let's have a drive up there while while while we're out. So we drove up, it's right at the top, as you can imagine, right on the top of the hill. And you drive in through the grounds and into the car park at the back. We're not used to free parking, we never get free parking. So we got out of the car and there was a machine there, and we both walked over to it, and literally we were stood there touching the screen, trying to put in like amounts and different things, and nothing would work. And I'm like, oh, maybe it's not working. And we were how long were we stood there? We stood there a good three or three three, four minutes, yeah, faffing around with this machine, and then suddenly we noticed on the sign it was an electric car charging machine.

SPEAKER_01 55:21

It wasn't even a pay and display machine.

SPEAKER_04 55:25

Oh my god. I mean, how old are we?

SPEAKER_00 55:28

It took two of us, two of us standing there pressing buttons on it before we realized it wasn't it was an electric car charger. It was an electric car charger. But of all the places to have an electric car charger in that little tiny car park was weird anyway.

SPEAKER_04 55:50

But yeah, we just I'm glad nobody was there watching us because we look so stupid.

SPEAKER_01 55:55

It did say it was camera operated, so there's probably somebody signed a little paper going on.

SPEAKER_04 56:01

We can't be the only people to have ever done that.

SPEAKER_01 56:04

I mean, it looked exactly like a pay machine, apart from the big sign up on the top that said electric charging points. Yeah, but we both walked away dead sheepishly.

SPEAKER_00 56:19

Like oh dear, it was funny. It was you were like, that's something my mum would do.

SPEAKER_04 56:27

Yeah, it is something my 85-year-old mother would do, and she's probably watching this as well. Anyway, that's that's the oh no, and it's nothing to do with reselling. No, but we just thought it was funny.

SPEAKER_00 56:39

We were on the way back from something Reeves reselling, yeah. We are Muppets. Deborah said, Oh my god, but she's actually done that.

SPEAKER_04 56:47

Told you we wouldn't be the only ones. Deborah's old like us. That's so old. Oh, Chris Silence says has Belle got a new car yet.

SPEAKER_00 56:54

Uh well, that's why we've had a busy day. Because they rang yesterday to say that my car had been delivered to the click and collect point in Liverpool and I could collect it. So that's what we did as soon as I finished work. We drove over to Liverpool, which was fun, I might add, because it was right in Liverpool Centre, wasn't it? To pick it up. So, yes, I've now got my new little car set outside.

SPEAKER_04 57:18

Yeah, it's good so far, isn't it? Yeah, enjoying it.

SPEAKER_00 57:21

Yeah, it's nice. Right, it's nice.

SPEAKER_04 57:25

So, let's go down the chat a bit.

SPEAKER_00 57:27

I did have to fight my corner in the thingy, you'd have been proud of me. You'd have been proud of me. They tried they tried to say that there was some damage on my car, which bearing in mind, there was damage. There was damage, but very, very minor. There was nothing my car was immaculate, as in like the inside where there was nothing wrong with it. The actual bodywork, there was hardly anything wrong with it. Bar in one little thing on the front, which we hadn't noticed, and a couple of scuffs on the wheel trims. And you know how much they wanted to charge me? They wanted to knock in 700 and odd pounds. Well, no, they weren't having that.

SPEAKER_04 58:01

We already had the conversation before. We had a game plan all set up because we thought that they might pick up on these small marks. Yeah. And we said, no way.

SPEAKER_00 58:11

700 pounds, 700 pounds of not on my nelly is the 700 pounds worth of damage on my car. It was considering it was five years old, it was in immaculate condition, wasn't it? So yeah, so we put the argument forward that their car that I was picking up, so my new car actually had a lot more cosmetic wear to it, shall we say, than what they'd shown me in videos and pointed out. So that was my argument. I was like, no offense, but you're getting a better car than what I am at the minute. And they agreed and dropped all the money. So yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:52

Yeah, we we agreed that they the two damages on the cars cancelled each other out, which was a sensible thing to do. But yeah, they tried.

SPEAKER_00 59:00

They tried, they tried, they're cheeky buggers, that's what they are. They just they should they I I was lucky I'm hormonal today because I wasn't taking no shit. Channel Nem says what car have you got? I kind of got the same car as what I had before, just a smaller version.

SPEAKER_04 59:15

Slightly smaller.

SPEAKER_00 59:16

So I had an MGHS before, which was a big beast, like a big SUV, and now I've got the MG ZS, which looks very similar, but it's slightly smaller.

SPEAKER_04 59:27

Or for those American users out there, the MG ZS. ZS.

SPEAKER_00 59:33

But yeah, but I need I did need a slightly smaller car because that other one was a bit big for me. I look tiny in it. But no, I'm very happy with it. I'm happy with it.

SPEAKER_04 59:43

Let's talk about eBay Live last week. So I think I've done uh actually, I can tell you how many shows I've done on eBay Live so far. Let me just go back a step. I bet we're frozen now, aren't we? As well. They obviously didn't realise they were dealing with bargain now. Nope.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:01

Chris created a monster when it comes to standing my ground, that's what it is.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:05

I I was ready for a fight me because they already overcharged us at the start, anyway. So I was already annoyed. So I was like, if they try anything, we're gonna throw this on. Anyway, eBay Live. So I've done five shows so far, and tomorrow will be the sixth show. So so far, feelings are that it's been very positive. I've kind of enjoyed doing it a little bit more than whatnot. I feel like the values I've been getting things for things have been a little bit better than whatnot. And some of the shows I've done have really done really well. I mean, for example, the Hot Wheels, two Hot Wheels shows that we did, we grossed over a thousand pounds on two shows, which was incredible. Two three-hour shows, we did over a thousand pounds of sales. We sold every single Hot Wheels car that we had. We made sure we did. And we were doing bundles in the end. We just wanted it all gone in those two shows, and we did over a thousand pounds.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:01

And but he enjoyed it that much, he's talking about buying more cars.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:05

Yeah, I'm thinking I need to get some more of those Hot Wheels. It's like Rodney and his lawnmower engines. Nope. He needs to buy some more of those lawnmower engines, but yeah, so that went all really well. So, what I've been doing, as we've as we're in the first few shows, I've been trying different themes. We've done Toys and Figures, we've done Pop Culture General, and we've done cars. And last week I thought, because I have a lot of American sportswear and jerseys, last week I thought we'd do an American apparel themed show. So it had a lot of hoodies, t-shirts, and a few jerseys as well. And it kind of bombed, it really bombed. To be fair, it was a struggle.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:48

It wasn't a surprise though, because we've done this on whatnot, and we've had the same struggle on whatnot.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:53

And that's why I wanted to try an eBay because I thought with the eBay audience maybe being slightly different, would it get a better reception? And I've seen other people doing jerseys and do reasonably well. I've not seen anybody selling jerseys doing amazingly well, by the way, but I thought I'd try it.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:09

I mean, don't don't get us wrong, we had some high-end stuff because that's part of the way we work it now. We always have some high-end stuff just in case people want decent items. So we had some jackets, didn't we? And you had some higher-end actual, not university tops, like proper team tops.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:28

And even those people were not interested in. And what I the feeling I was getting was people were interested in them but didn't want to pay the prices. And I kind of felt like people came because they thought, oh, they're gonna get these top branded jerseys starting at a pound, and then for that and you're gonna get them for like three pounds, and it was like, no, it's not how it works.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:52

They did get so they got a lot of people got a lot of things for just one pound. Yeah, a lot of things went for for between one and three pounds. At the end of the show, I think we did about two hours long. We kind of we cut it short in the end because I was saying to Bell look, I think we should sort of cut it because things were just going for like a pound and two pound. So we did about two hours in the end. Now, don't get me wrong, I cleared a lot of stock, I cleared a lot of stock that I've had for a while, and I cleared some new items as well. And I did clear a couple of like£15 items where people went, okay, I'll pay£15 for that. So I didn't make a lot of money on those, but I think I did about£130 or something in two hours.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:37

I mean, people were asking for certain teams, certain tops, certain things, but I don't feel like even if we had like Chris has a lot of high-end jerseys. I don't even feel like if we had a rack of the high-end jerseys, people would have been wanting to have paid the prices, even the discounted prices that Chris would have been offering them, which would have been really good value for the jerseys. I don't feel like there was people in there that wanted to spend that sort of money. No, it didn't feel like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:05

I was basically I had some premium jerseys, so I had some proper NFL, some proper NF MBA jerseys that had never been I've never listed. Like I've just recently got them in stock, and I had about half a dozen of them, and I was saying to people, I can start these at£15. Now, these are jerseys that I have since listed on eBay core for between£30 and£40 a piece, and they will sell over the course of the next three to four over the course of the next three to four months, they will have gone for somewhere around that price, somewhere around£30 a piece. And I was starting them at£15, which I thought I thought was good value. Like even as a reseller, you could flip it and double your money. But but like there wasn't really much interest in those. I did sell about two of them, I think, at that price. But other than that, people weren't interested in the prices, even though I have now listed those that didn't solve, sell for like 40 quid. So they they were true bargains, they were actually true, very good value jerseys.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:13

And I mean you the jackets you had were you had some proper mint jackets, but like you said, you had them up for like 60 quid, didn't you? They were you wanted six like 60 pounds, but you were saying those were 100 pounds. 100 pounds plus jackets, so anybody that knows the stuff will know that that would have been a reasonable price. But we just didn't have people in that wanted to spend it, which is fine. Yeah, it's fine, but I think with these type of shows, and as awkward as it is, when you have to stop a show early, you've got to cut your losses.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:45

I think you have to stop at some point and say, I can't keep selling something for one pound. It's just not worth my time, it's not worth my energy, and I'm going to lose I'm I'm almost certainly going to lose money if I sell something for a pound.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:58

When you're knackered in the evening after you've done a full day's work anyway, and you knackered and you just want to chill out, and you sat there like selling stuff for a pound. It's just like I'd rather have my feet up and be sat in bed just chilling.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:10

It's you know it was one of them where it was kind of like a bit of a it it was a bit of a come down because we'd had some really successful shows up to that point on eBay. Live, but I'm taking it, I'm taking it now as a learning experience. I won't be doing an American sports or jersey show again.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:29

We've done it on both platforms and whatnot.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:31

It didn't really work there either. In fact, I've also did I do it on Tilt as well. Did it be I think I did one one of the few shows I did on Tilt, I also did, and it didn't go down well there either. I just think, right, like American sports and jerseys like NFL and NBA, it's quite niche, right? So by listing it on eBay core, you open yourself up to a massive audience of people all around the world because jerseys sell I sell jerseys to the back to the USA and I sell them to Germany, I sell them to France and Spain and Italy. They go everywhere, right? Because buyers can just search, set up the safe searches. But when you try to sell them on eBay Live, you are literally limited to the 30 or 40 people that have turned up at that moment. Now, over the current course of a two-hour show, you probably get two, three, four hundred people actually popping in to see what you're doing. But as an average of concurrent viewers, you're I'm sitting at about 30 or 40 viewers. So you're relying on one person out of 40 actually wanting the item. And ideally, you want at least two so that they can fight it over and bring the price up slightly.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:49

Whereas when we were doing the one pound stats, people were just buying because they were cheap. Yeah. So they weren't bothered what they were getting, they were just buying because they were cheap. And like we said, most of them were going at a pound. I mean, someone even came in the chat that day and was like, I feel really bad for you.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:04

Oh, yeah, somebody was in. They said they were gonna come in. I'm not sure who it was because they had a different username, but they said they watch on a Monday night. So yeah, they come in and said, Surely you can't be making any money at this point.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:15

But yeah, I I've taken it as a learning curve. I'm not going to do that category again. But if I look back on a whole, like the pop culture was good, the action figures and Funko Pops was good, and the Hot Wheels and DieCast cars was really good. So I'm look- I'm what I'm doing is we're trying different categories, aren't we? We're trying different tactics. We're gonna stick with ones that work, and those that don't work, we're probably not gonna do again because you can't really afford to do it. So tomorrow's show, I'm kind of taking a bit of inspiration from Rachel Fantastic because she did a car boot style show last week and she said it went pretty well. And when I tuned in for like 10-15 minutes and watched, she seemed to be she seemed to be selling okay on that. So we're gonna try that tomorrow. We're gonna have random stuff, so it could be anything, it could be figures, ornaments, it could be clothing, it could anything like what you'd see at a car boot store. We're gonna dig out some stuff and we're gonna list we're gonna list it on eBay live and start a lot of it at one pound. Much of it will never have been on eBay because I'm gonna try and get through my death pile. So a lot of it will be un unlisted stuff that I've never ever listed on eBay.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:35

Yeah. Uh Jeff says you need to attract a huge eBay live audience, think outside the box.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:40

It's difficult though, Jeff. It's difficult to get yourself noticed and to advertise yourself.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:44

Demise says, I I know the feeling. Sometimes you almost feel bullied into lower prices when we've resisted, they don't seem happy.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:53

Well, this is why we have our premium section because our view of the premium section is if it sells great, if it doesn't, these are items that are going to sell on the other platforms. So it doesn't matter. But we want to give people the option to have something that's higher value rather than the stuff that's coming in the pound. So it's just an option. So if we don't sell the premium, it's no big deal.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:15

And this is this is something that we've we've taken away that actually we feel does work. Just having a handful, even if it's say 10 items that you class as premium, like something out of your eBay store or even something not listed, that that you're going to offer at a discounted rate, maybe not the full price that you might have it listed on eBay or full price that you want for it, but you're going to offer it cheaper just for the show.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:40

So people are still getting a bargain, but it's a higher end bargain because you do have people who come in who want to collect and want to buy the higher value stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:49

Like if you have like a Funko like that you want£30 for normally on eBay, you know, I might offer it as a premium item for£15 or£20 and say, look, for this show only, I'm going to knock£10 off it, take it or leave it. And if you leave it, it's okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:05

Has worked in previous shows with our other stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:07

I mean, like some of the some of the Funko Pop shows we've done, like we've sold quite a lot of the premium items, haven't we? By offering bigger, bigger discounts on them.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:16

But what I was trying to say is we're not bothered if we don't, because they'll they'll just go on, they'll just sell on the other platforms.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:21

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:22

Jeff says what would be interesting to track is is eBay live shows have a positive impact on your eBay course store over time. If it does, you could use the live shows as a loss lender and clear loss leader and clear out stock.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:37

Yeah, totally, Jeff. Totally. I've I'll be honest with you, right now I've not noticed an uptick following a live, but it's the thing is, right, it's so hard to measure anything like that on eBay. I mean, there's so many variables at play. You don't know if that traffic would have come to you regardless of whether you did an eBay live or not. Because your graph looks like this on eBay, and every everyone will probably agree, your graph looks like this on eBay over the course of a month. That up, down, up, down, up, down. One week's great, next week's shit, one week's great. You just don't know. And if you've done if you decide to do an eBay live and it's just so happens to fall on the week when you have a good week on eBay, suddenly you're thinking, oh, I've had a great week this week because eBay Live was on. And really, is that is that what's happening?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:29

Yeah, but if you're gonna do that sort of a comparison, it would have to be over a number of shows and a number of weeks to see if it consistently falls, it's not gonna consistently fall on a good week every time you do it. So if that's happening, then you know your eBay live is potentially a factor.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:45

Yeah. But that would take time to it's very hard to measure it though. It's hard to examine that.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:50

Ready, Steady Retro says any idea what the ratio of resellers to genuine private buyers on your eBay lies? If I'm honest, I feel like we have a lot more individual private buyers on eBay than we ever did on whatnot, because you can normally tell because the resellers tend to buy in bulk, they don't just buy one or two items. That's true, actually, not for whereas we're getting a lot of individual people that have only bought maybe one or two items. So for me, that is someone who is privately buying. And because people are paying higher prices for stuff as well, is another indication that it's not potentially resellers. In the show we last did with the jerseys, there was definitely some resellers in there.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:33

Because they were buying like bulk lot, we had like two or three people that were buying everything, buying everything. So yeah, I I think we're getting more private.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:43

I think you're I think you're right in that, and I'd not thought about the way you thought about that. I've it was a really good observation because I've definitely noticed like where on whatnot, if we did a three a three-hour show, this is just like as an example. On whatnot, if we did a three-hour show, maybe we'd have 20, maybe we'd have 20 parcels to do because people have bought you know multiple items each, you know. But like if we did when we've been doing three hour shows on eBay Live, I've I've had like 30 to 40 parcels to do, and many of them have been one item, and a few with two items. There's still lots of people doing bundles, like multiples, but the number of people with just one is much higher. So that's a really good point.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:37

One of the guys on the car one bought a lot, didn't he? And he was basically messaging saying that he had three kids, I think, and he was buying, but he bought he bought so much, didn't he, in them cars, but the prices he was paying for them indicated to me that what he was saying was right, he was buying them for his kids, or what because a reseller would not have been paying the prices he was paying for the ones he spent a fortune. So yeah, to me, that that even you know, some people do spend like a lot of money for varying reasons, but most of the time, if you get somebody buying a lot, you tend to find they're going they're buying things that are lower in price, and then you find they've got like a big bag full of stuff, and it's normally random stuff, isn't it? As well, all bits of random stuff. You can tell.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:29

Demise says we had a lot of items sell for full price buy it now, but no bids on items you put in less than half price makes no sense. That's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:39

You've never had any buy it now.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:40

I'm not bothered with the buy it now section. I've tend to just opt it for like here's something we've got listed for 30, I'm gonna start it at 20 or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:49

Yeah, but it is it's all just trial and error.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:53

At the moment, I'm tend to do like 6 pm. Like, I'm trying not to let it let eBay live disrupt my normal pattern of listing and working. I'm I'm trying to use eBay live as an extra because I don't want to do it during the day, and then that ruins my whole day of of like normal listing. Because eBay Core and Vintage are always going to be a priority for me because that's where I'm going to get most of my set my better sales from. And I help you out, so and I'm back working during the day. And Bell helps out too, and it it's actually a lot easier if you can have two people running the show. Uh, a lot easier.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:31

We did do the first ones we did were a weekend, and they went alright.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:34

They went okay. We did 11 o'clock am on a Saturday and 11am on a Sunday. The Saturday one went really well, our first one. That went very well. Yeah, and then the two Hot Wheels ones we did on midweek at six o'clock, didn't we? So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:49

So we might we may consider, depending on like weekends, if we have free weekends and we've got nothing on to do an odd weekend again.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:57

Yeah, I might try another Saturday morning, maybe. Yeah. Seems like a good time. Like, there's not a lot of competition. It's Saturday and Saturday morning. Um, Geordie Reese, I said, I can't stand all the eBay notifications they send out. It's 24-7, they're pushing it too much. Yeah. Yeah, I get it. I guess they're really pushing hard with it. I'll tell you what though, we did you see, did everyone see the eBay recent eBay update that they put out? You know, the monthly update. They're gonna be advertising heavily on TV, eBay Live, and that's something that Whatnot has failed to do. So Whatnot needs to watch their backs because eBay Live are going to be, I think they are gonna be the main sponsor. Is there a new TV show coming out called Saturday Night Live UK? Something like that. They're gonna be eBay Live specifically, I believe, are gonna be sponsoring meaning the main sponsor. A bit like you know when eBay did Love Island, or it's gonna be eBay, I think it the way I read it, it's gonna be eBay Live is sponsoring this Saturday Night Live, is it a new series or something? I'm not sure. But they've also cited a number of places on TV where they're going to be advertising eBay Live, so they're giving it a really hard push. And that mainstream sort of advertising is something that Whatnot has always failed to fail to do. So it's gonna be that's gonna be interesting to see what happens there.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:29

Yeah, Tori's joined us. Hello Tori, long time host. Hey, thank you for coming joining us. Hope you're always good to see Tori. Everyone's okay. Demise says when we were grinding the lives, our normal sales were higher. I'd say we were spotlighted more. Okay, it'd be good if that was the case.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:49

I'll tell you what, I mean, it's gonna be no good for me doing a car boot sale live because there's no specific category involved. But I'll tell you what does happen, and I've noticed it. If you have a specific category that you're doing your eBay live on, say for example, pop figures, I just use that example because it's something that I would do. When you search pop figures just on eBay core, say I'm looking for a killer clowns figure on eBay core, what happens is about four or five listings down, results, you then get a stream of eBay live adverts for different people's shows, but they're specific to what you've just searched. So they're all pop figure shows, and they're obviously they're putting you in search results. Today, for example, Bell will help me for help hate me for this. Today I was searching for Hot Wheels bundles because I'm thinking those Hot Wheels shows went really well. I'm gonna search, see what I can get. I didn't buy any in the end, I didn't buy any, but what happened was I was searching for Hot Wheels bundles, and what what came up in the search results was four or five eBay live sellers with their shows, specifically Hot Wheels shows.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:06

So you're fighting us doing one again. There's too many now, selling on.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:09

Yeah, but so if you do a category-specific show, I think it's probably more beneficial than I'm saying that. And tomorrow I'm doing a carboot general show, just as a tester. But if you do do a category-specific show, I think it probably puts you in better better standing, uh, like with the eBay with the eBay ads that it's going to drive people to your show more than a generic show.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:37

El Riventi said, maybe you should make bots to watch your eBay live show and not buy anything for no reason. Oh, wait, that's vintage.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:46

Yeah, get some bots in. The good thing is, if you had like a hundred bots watching your show, it would rank it would rank your eBay live show at the top of the list. And so it would create a snowball effect because more people would come and watch because you're at the top of the list and not the bottom. So actually, it's a bloody good idea.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:04

We that's the same as what we do, Lisa. Lisa said shipping costs more on eBay Live, uh, eBay as well as as as a seller I watched was charging 50p extra per item. That's what I did. That's what I was in.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:17

50p extra per item, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:19

So it's it's 299 for the first purchase and then 50p extra per item.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:25

Freandy Bentos says, I think you need resellers in the lives, as they'll naturally bid up to a certain amount, and then the normal buyers take over from there once your lives are established to a certain level. We're quite happy. We're quite happy to have we're quite happy to have anybody. We don't care who's buying our stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:43

I've never, I've never I've never been a live seller that's said that they don't want resellers in. I've always I always welcome it. Most of our audience are resellers.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:52

Not only that, you'd be going against your own principles because you go in to buy stuff to resell.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:57

So I go in to resell, I've bought stuff on eBay live to resell, I bought loads of stuff on what not to resell. So I I always welcome people, I'll welcome anybody. At the end of the day, if I'm willing to hold something up and start it for one pound, then so be it. Whatever it goes for, it goes for. I don't care who buy it.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:16

The bottom line is a reseller will always be willing to spend more money overall than most private people. Like we said, most private people will buy one or two items, whereas a reseller might spend 150 quid, even if they've got like everything for a pound, they'll spend 150 quid. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:34

So Ready Steady Retro said, I've noticed Whatnot has upped their marketing campaign since eBay Live launched. Also, notice whatnot is now advertising household consumables, food, etc. New marketing strategy. Oh, interesting. I always thought that they had to up their game with advertising.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:50

Well, they're all over TikTok, aren't they? They've got a lot of top TikTok sellers advertising them.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:56

It's interesting because like eBay whatnot are definitely targeting their audience social media users. Whereas eBay are targeting their audience at like the mainstream, like you know, like Saturday night TV, for example, or or you know, the the big sh the big TV shows. So obviously, but eBay also target social media as well. But it's interesting how what not specifically go for that social media trend, the TikTok trends, the uh Instagram stuff and all that. And eBay Live obviously are following the core, eBay core, and doing a lot of mainstream TV advertising. It's very it's interesting how they're both like targeting, like they seem to be targeting different areas.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:48

But the ones that I've seen on TikTok, it falls very heavily into the TikTok shop side of things where they have people branding and promoting stuff through the TikTok shops at discounted prices. And that's what I've seen from the whatnot people. They've been like, oh, has anybody seen this site? You can look at all this stuff that I got for£10, you know. And that's the way they're sort of promoting it through TikTok, that it's a it's a great bargain site, you know, to go on and buy stuff, which fits in perfectly with how the TikTok sort of selling works.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:20

There's definitely a connection there, yeah. Friendy Bentos says whatnot contracts are ending as well, and some have already left for TikTok shop. Sellers will follow the money offered by platforms, yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:32

But like I said, the crossover between the two is very, very close.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:38

Um I'm not sure. I'm not sure it meant the Ant and Deck show. Is there another Saturday Night Live like a show coming out at some point? I'm I'm not sure that it meant the n maybe it was the Anton Deck one they were leaning towards, but I got the impression that it it there was another show, but perhaps I'm wrong. It's on one of the updates if one if you want to have a look, like on eBay, on like the last seller update or at the beginning of the month or something, it was there. They said where they were going to be advertising, but I can't remember.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:11

Greenie said, Did you notice that yeah, Tori was on eBay live?

SPEAKER_04 1:25:15

I heard about this. What was he what the what was he doing? I didn't know much about it. That's random, that isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 1:25:22

Uh Chris Tyler says I heard a lad from Step to a Month had been he was good.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:27

He was he did like a rhyming sort of poing type thing. Like it was very good. I thought he was good.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:33

eBay Live are on the cashback site QuidCo.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:37

Oh, interesting. That's good.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:38

Chris will be well in there now.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:40

Well, eBay are on Cash are on complete savings. Alright. eBay are already on complete savings and and you get a minimum of 10% using complete savings.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:56

Can't remember. Sellers who refuse to sell to sellers are ridiculous.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:00

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:01

It's kind of like your bread and butter when you can get resellers in to buy stuff. Chris, don't think I've ever seen a Whatnot Advert?

SPEAKER_04 1:26:08

Oh, I've seen Whatnot adverts on social media a lot, but I've never ever seen one. Like when I've been watching tele or something. I've never seen one on mainstream TV.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:18

There's one that started on Sky One, says Lisa. Saturday Night Live on Sky.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:23

Ah, I wonder if it's that one then. I wonder if it's that that they're they're sponsoring.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:28

It's the American version coming to the UK.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:30

I think I think yeah, I think that's it. Casper's back. He's back again. He switches between his channels quickly, doesn't he?

unknown 1:26:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:41

Oh, there you go. It's Saturday Night Live.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:44

It's the UK version of the USA Saturday Night Live. That sounds good though. Cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:52

Hmm. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:56

Uh right. I think we're at the uh I think we're at the end of tonight's show, babe. And we've just about hit one hour thirty, which is the perfect timing.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:04

Don't know if you'd have asked me, I'm knackered, I'd have I'd have quite happily gone 45 minutes ago.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:10

So all that is left to do is comment of the week. But before we do that, I just want to say thank you to everybody for taking your time to come and watch our show tonight here on a Monday night. And to everybody who's been listening, if you're listening back to this, thank you so much for downloading on Spotify. Make sure you hit that download button, Apple Music, Amazon Alexa, and all that business. Hit the download button, and that really helps us a lot. So thank you so much. Let us know if you enjoy it, if you're enjoying the audio stuff, and that you know it helps us carry it on. And we're gonna finish with our comment of the week. So let me just line up the VT. Here we go.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:01

It's the comment of the week.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:05

Comment of the week, right? Here we go. So this comment comes from one of our super fans. Life in the first lane.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:14

Woohoo! Who are they?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:16

Who are they? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:17

Who are they?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:18

Random people. Random. stalkers and life in the first lane commented on our on our last video that which included a tabletop sale and they said cheeky booger walking in the tabletop early and getting all the good stuff before it opens now I just want to address this because I did reply to the comment now when I went to this I went to a tabletop sale in North Wales it was a s it was a C cadet uh like an indoor one and I got there half an hour early and I don't know if you've ever been to a boot cell or a tabletop and got there early and thought to yourself do I dare try to go in early every time. I do every time and I kind of said this on camera I had the camera here like this I was walking around thinking and I was saying to the camera like I might try and get in early blah de blah and I did I went up and I was there early and a chat came out and he said are you here for the tabletop and I said yeah yeah he said you can come in now if you want people are setting up but it's okay you can come in I thought oh great right I was the only one there I had free reign of the entire room and as I'm walking round and I'm filming I'm filming stuff I've got my little camera here as I'm walking round this other gent comes up to me and says I'm sorry you'll have to leave because we're not open yet and I'm like okay is it it's fine it's just one of your other staff said that I could come in and he said oh no he said because of the council license we're not allowed to let anybody in until like 10 o'clock on the dock like we're not allowed to let anyone in. So he said it's fine it's fine. So I had to go and stand at the door for half an hour on my own. I think there was one person that came after me so we both stood in this queue till exactly 10 o'clock so I didn't even manage to buy anything in that early time. I should have scooted round as quick as possible. I wouldn't mind right but here's the thing I'm waiting there at the door and what am I seeing in the door what am I seeing people having stalls were going round each other's they were going round the room buying from each other buying up all the best stuff so and I tell you what I'm gonna do next time I'm gonna buy a bloody stall for five pounds and it'll treat it as early entry that's a good idea it's a good idea in it it is yeah it's a good idea see you later bye that's it for today's episode don't forget to like or make a comment I always reply to comments and if you're on YouTube hit the subscribe button if you're on one of the audio channels hit the download button and we'll see you next time