Animals, Nature & the Collective Soul (Part 1)

🐾 Episode Overview

Do animals have souls?
 Do animals reincarnate?
 And what role do they play in humanity’s spiritual evolution?

In this deeply insightful episode Trisha McCagh speaks with researcher Jennie Taylor, who has spent years studying the teachings of legendary clairvoyant Edgar Cayce.

Drawing from Cayce’s thousands of spiritual readings, Jennie shares remarkable insights into the spiritual lives of animals — including ideas about animal souls, reincarnation, collective consciousness, and humanity’s relationship with nature.

Together, Trisha and Jennie explore the concept that animals may exist within a “group mind” or collective intelligence, while still forming individual soul connections with humans.

🔊 Memorable Quotes

“Animals are one of the purest forms on this planet — they reflect us so we can see ourselves.”
 — Trisha McCagh

“Nature is the best book of all.”
 — Edgar Cayce

“Communication with animals isn’t a gift — it’s a choice.”
 — Trisha McCagh

⏱️ Episode Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Jennie Taylor
 05:10 Discovering Edgar Cayce’s teachings about animals
 12:30 Animals as spiritual teachers
 18:40 Understanding the animal “group mind”
 26:15 Individual animals and human relationships
 33:20 Stories of animal reincarnation
 41:10 Communicating with animal collectives

🐾 Animal News

 Trisha and co-host Dana explore the story of Cole, a rescue cat who has gone viral on TikTok for his remarkable tarot-reading abilities.

Cole appears to select tarot cards during readings, leaving viewers fascinated by his mysterious intuition.

Is this coincidence — or something deeper?

Trisha and Dana discuss why cats have long been associated with spiritual awareness and psychic sensitivity across cultures. 

From sensing emotional energy to expressing wisdom with a touch of feline sass, Cole’s story is a playful reminder that our animals may be far more intuitive than we realise.

👤 About the Guest

Jennie Taylor has spent nearly two decades studying the teachings of Edgar Cayce, whose thousands of readings explored spirituality, health, reincarnation, and humanity’s connection to nature.

 She is also the author of The Age of the Spider Monkey, which explores humanity’s evolving relationship with animals.

Amazon Books

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🔮 Coming Up in Part 2

In Part 2 of this fascinating conversation, Trisha and Jennie dive deeper into:

Animal reincarnation stories from Cayce’s readings
 What happens to animals in the afterlife
 Whether animals can return to the same humans across lifetimes
 The deeper spiritual purpose animals may play in human evolution

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:02

Today, I'm absolutely thrilled to welcome a truly special guest, Jenny E. Taylor. Jenny has spent nearly two decades with the Edgar Casey Foundation, exploring the deepest spiritual connections between humans, animals, and nature. She brings over 30 years of experience in the non-profit world, along with a deep love and respect for all living beings. Jenny believes that animals are not just companions, they're spiritual teachers here to guide us and mirror the divine within ourselves. Hello, Jenny. I'm so excited that you've been able to join us today.

SPEAKER_04 0:37

Tricia, I'm honored to be here. Thank you for asking me.

SPEAKER_02 0:40

Now I have so many questions that I need to ask you. So if we can get started, that would be great. What inspired you to research Edgar Casey's readings in the roles of animals and nature?

SPEAKER_04 0:54

Great question. I have to say that the seed was planted in my childhood because I was one of the kids that probably like a lot of your listeners, grew up uh just loving animals. That was the kid I was. I was the animal lover. And I had all kinds of animals. I had um cats. We had a family dog. I had um guinea pigs and mice and turtles and birds and just every kind of animal you could think of. And I love them so much. And then I had this life-altering event happen to me in my childhood. My father died. And uh what that did was it really brought uh to question for me about what happens in the afterlife. And uh everybody told me that my father was in heaven. And so uh I came to accept that, but it made me wonder, but what happens to the animals, you know? And um I asked an aunt at the time that my father died. I asked her, do animals go to heaven? And she said, no, they don't. And oh, that broke my little heart. I just couldn't believe that that would be true. I didn't like that answer, and I just started looking for another answer. And eventually I came across the the Eggri Casey material um decades later. Uh and I I thought, I wonder if he'll have an answer for me. And when I searched, I eventually did find some information about animals in the afterlife, and that was very heartening, and I really liked his answer.

SPEAKER_02 2:28

Absolutely. And it sounds like, Jenny, that you had a childhood very similar to mine, uh, because all of my best friends and um everything in my life was revolving around animals. And uh, and I was a little bit um, you know, my mum was a bit worried at one point because I used to neigh like a horse in the backyard, you know, for years. Uh I know, right? So, and you know, I think in our in our childhood many, many years ago, I don't think people knew a lot about animals. So it doesn't sort of surprise me that that's the answer that you got, really, about, you know, animals not going to heaven. Because, you know, even today, we still get some answers like that sometimes from from different people. So I can understand that that upset me too when I asked certain things and animals weren't in the position I felt they should be in. Um, so that's a yeah, so I can see how you'd be very inspired to do that. So when you started reads researching um Casey's readings, uh you couldn't find anything much about animals. So, how did you get that information in the end?

SPEAKER_04 3:35

Yes, that's right. Because at the time that I first got introduced to the Casey Readings, it was the late 1980s. And the readings, if you wanted to research them, you had to go in person and get and look at the copies, and and it was very involved. And so most people got their information from the readings from articles and uh books that had been written about Casey and the readings from authors who went in person and did that research. And so at first, um, when I was introduced to Casey, I didn't see anything about animals. And then later in the late 1990s, they digitized his readings. Now he gave uh over 14,000 readings. It was a lot, I think I can't remember how many millions of words, but it's millions of words. Um it took them several years to digitize them. Once they were available in uh a CD that you could search, and now they're available online on egg orkc.org. If you're a member, you can go into the database and search whatever term you want to search. And so that's what I ended up doing. I searched for what I wanted to know about cats, dogs, horses, you know, uh nature tree. You know, I searched those kinds of terms, and uh, and then I can't I came across things that talked about the group mind and talked about uh interconnectedness of all life and the source of all life. And you can hear my cat crying in the background, probably. She does that when she brings me toys, so we might see a toy. But uh yeah, anyway, that uh that's how I ended up finally uh getting the information and then um you know it was like a thread that I pulled on that I just kept pulling. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:27

Yeah, but I just have to admire you for just keep going until you find what you're looking for, you know. Oh, and in regard and in regard to your cat, well, why shouldn't your cat be part of the interview? I mean, it's very it's very fitting. You know, I I am the main event. That's that's how cats are. Um so yeah, getting that information, but I have noticed that there's a lot of false clickbait um on the net. And I've found some and and what Casey is supposedly uh assuming or understanding about animals. Have you found that as well?

SPEAKER_04 6:02

I have. It's so frustrating to be honest. Um, I think, well, I've seen things that were, I've seen quotes that weren't actually in the readings. In some cases, they're mild or they might be just be misinterpreted quotes. But then I I found whole videos and whole video channels dedicated to things that Casey has supposed to have said that he did not say. And I I saw one of them said that uh cats are have some kind of special power and that Casey said this, and and uh I love cats, including the one. I can tell I love cats. I always have loved cats, uh, but they were not mentioned in the Casey readings in that manner at all. Um so I I would say if you really want to know what he said, to just try to try to use critical thinking and recheck your sources. The um Edgar Casey YouTube channel is youtube.com slash edgarcasey. And that's the legit one. And then of course their website is edgarcasey.org, and you can find legitimate material there.

SPEAKER_02 7:12

Well, yeah, I I I think what you're referring to with that cat video that you have seen regarding Edgar Casey. Um I think I have seen that one because yes, cats do have special powers, they come from certain places, they can do these certain things. There was one on dogs. I guess for animal lovers, it wasn't a bad thing. Purely from it was incorrect, and it was not from Edgar Casey, but it was somebody's interpretation of how they would like to see cats and dogs. But at least it wasn't it wasn't awful, it wasn't degrading in that respect, but it was incorrect. So I was so glad when you know we discovered you because yes, I was assuming that that was correct. So thank you for pointing that out and get me on getting me on the track of of what was actually said.

unknown 8:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:02

Yeah, I think, you know, everybody who loves animals, they just can't help but they they want to believe it, you know.

SPEAKER_02 8:09

Of course. Because, you know, I think in well, I know in ancient times animals were revered. They were in an entirely different position than they are in the current, current and present day. Um to a lot of us who love animals, yes, we put them up there, but I'm talking about, you know, even in in so many um uh pictorial things, you know, the animals were signified or symbolized in so many ways, and then somehow the animals have ended up somewhere else. But I think they're on the way up again as far as I'm concerned. And uh and that's what we're trying to do in this show is showcase animals. Oh, beautiful, your cat has turned up. What's the cat's name?

SPEAKER_04 8:52

Rosie.

SPEAKER_02 8:53

Rosie.

SPEAKER_04 8:54

Hello, Rosie.

SPEAKER_02 8:55

How are you? She's beautiful.

SPEAKER_04 8:58

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 8:59

Just trying to, yeah, she's very interested in you, obviously. But you know, cats are very, they really underst uh understand, I believe, um, all this video equipment because I've had so many of the cats turn around and look directly into the camera. So they know where the camera is and they know how to turn it on, and cats will often turn up in the screens when I am doing something. So I'm very privileged. So from the Casey perspective, what roles do um animals and nature play in our spiritual paths?

SPEAKER_04 9:33

Well, it's really interesting because Casey says that they are role models for us and that we can learn lessons, and she she might cry when I do this. That's so we can learn lessons from from them, from observing them and being around them. Uh, unconditional love, um, trust, um, just uh being aligned with the the purpose of your being, your soul's purpose. And um, um if you wouldn't mind, I'll read I'll read a couple readings that that would be. Yeah. So um one of the things Casey said was um the source of all life and life in every form is one source, God. And that can be, you know, whatever power you believe in, you can call it God or or spirit forces or the creative forces or the divine. Um, but uh K Casey said everything was we're all come from the same, we're cut from the same cloth, in other words, we're all from that same creative force. And we were all created in the beginning, including the animals, um, all the the spiritual essence of us. And so um, if you think about it, um you a rose doesn't have to be told to bloom or or um a tree doesn't isn't told how to how to um exude oxygen. It's just they just go about you know their purpose and and um I think that's kind of the lesson for us, um, according to Casey. Uh and and um there's another one that I really like. Um he talked about bees a few times in their in his readings, and uh it was really interesting to me, but in one reading that I really love, he said, ever be a worker as the bee, but in the way that in which it is a contribution to making the portion of the earth a your portion of the earth a more beautiful place to live. And that was um that ran through the KC readings a lot, where he said, our purpose was to make the earth a more beautiful place to live. And and the animals in nature already know how to do that.

SPEAKER_02 11:54

How how true are those words though? I mean, they so align um with everything that I believe and see and have experienced in my lifetime with animals. So I think Casey had this um canny way of really getting into the soul of things because he had a great understanding, even from what I've read about him and the various things that that I've listened to regarding many readings, not just about animals, but particularly those words that you were just saying, just so resonates, really, because they are, and they are a direct reflection of us, and that's why the ones that are very close to us, as in the domestic animals, you know, people's people's beloved animals, they are often reflecting ourselves so that we can see what we look like, because we're seeing it in in them, and they help us greatly, whether it be emotional, you know, health-wise, you know, physical, behavior, any, in any, in any aspect, um they reflect you. And so it's it's you need to take you need to take heed to your animals, you really do. So that really is a is a great resonance. And and that's what we and that's what I teach, you know, in my in my um courses and programs, but also just in my own life um about animals. And they are, and to me, they are one of the purest forms on this planet, other than the rest of the natural world. Absolutely. They're all the purest forms.

SPEAKER_04 13:24

They are the purest, and that is a lovely way of putting it.

SPEAKER_02 13:28

Absolutely. And we're so lucky to have what we have on this planet, and we really need to look after it. Um, you know, most definitely, whether they be you know, animals, trees, minerals, you know, because uh as you know, you know, I'm an animal communicator, but I'm a communicator to the natural world. I love communicating with all everything nature, you know, everything natural, everything of nature, because it all speaks to you and it all has resonance and it holds the God force uh within it. And so it's it's I so I it does. And so I just think really it's important that we learn to connect with it and we will also be healthier and happier.

SPEAKER_04 14:10

I 100% agree. Casey even said that you could um commune with a tree if you took the time to do it, uh, you know.

SPEAKER_02 14:19

Well, that's what we do. Um it you know, so in the programs that I do, all of the students get to we converse with the rivers, the mountains, the trees, the soil. They all speak to us. It all interconnects and speaks and you get direct language. Direct language. I I'm so excited when I do this, and my students just go, oh my god, that's just it was profound, because it speaks to you in a way that's directly to your heart. And it doesn't have false clickbait in in action. It's all real because it's direct to you. And you can, you know, people can find out for themselves. You know, I I always say that communication, whether it be with animals or the natural world, it's not a gift, it's a choice. And anyone can do it. And and the more we get conversing with it, the more people will realize how much they want to help and save it and conserve it, preserve it, and work towards that. So it's it's a very exciting time. And uh so obviously Edgar Casey was right onto that, uh, most definitely onto onto that. It's really wrong. Yeah, totally. So um Casey mentions group mind. What's your understanding of this?

SPEAKER_04 15:44

Um, that the way I think about it is that it's like an overarching intelligence that um is different for each each species and maybe for each plant. And he said there were group minds for the minerals, the plant kingdom, and the animal kingdoms. All of them have group minds. And uh I think of it's easy probably easier to understand the animal kingdom one because you can think of animal instinct, and that would be that you know, butterflies and birds know when to migrate and when to nest, and um uh a cat has that habit of scratching that you know they need to do, and a dog likes to dig, and these are just all instinctual things that are part of them, that it's a part of their group mind. And a and a cat is not a horse, uh, you know, and a horse is not a tree, and all of that's because of their group mind, that kind of overarching kind of intelligence. Um, but it doesn't mean, and Casey even said this, it doesn't mean they're not individualized. They do have an individual experience, just as you and I do, you know. Uh, and of course, you know, those of us who've had had experiences with animals and lived with them know how very individual they are. They, you you could have animals from the same litter that are completely different from each other because of their own personality.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

Yeah, yeah. And I I really get an understanding of what you're talking about with that because it's a pity, though, the the humans, the people, have lost their instincts. We totally have. Um I know, right? So it's really interesting because what I'm my understanding is because of the many experiences I've had, is that these group souls do exist and they are kind of species oriented. So, you know, all giraffes, you know, all elephants, all dogs. And from what these animals have told me, they are speaking about being in a collective because they want to experience the planet this way. So they want to just be part of that collective, do all those instinctual things, and just have that experience of being part of a whole. But there are animals who have also, and this is to do with other, you know, areas as well, but we're talking animals. Animals have also agreed to be individuals, which means everybody's all our audience, you know, their dogs, their cats, their horses, birds, fish, who actually share a life. They wanted to share a life with that person or in that family because of a different experience, and that they have a purpose, a life purpose with that person to help them and to guide them and to walk with them on that part of their journey. So those animals, so if you get a collective, say if we talk about crows and a crow becomes injured, this has been a very interesting experience, and this has happened in um rescue centers. So a crow becomes injured or uh and and the crow is then taken to a rescue center to be, you know, given given uh veterinary care and that sort of thing. So this crow, and this has been interesting because it's been the experience of the people who have worked with these animals as well. Now, the ones who can never be returned to the wild for whatever physical reason of that particular crow, for instance, we're talking crows, so that crow will then have to be, you know, put with somebody, a foster carer, or stay at a center or whatever. So that crow then becomes individualized. Now, there are some crows, because we're talking crows, there's some crows that in that situation just does not respond to people. They can give them the medicine and all that, but they always act very afraid, they always keep very much to themselves, they tend to be withdrawn, and then they get released and they're happy about that because they don't want to be an individual. They want to go back to collective. So this is why it's been very interesting. Um, and then I've had to speak to the collectives of animals through various things. Um, during COVID, I was asked by the Ugandans to speak to the gorillas. So I spoke to the collective, yeah, in Uganda reports.

SPEAKER_04 20:13

What an honor.

SPEAKER_02 20:15

Very much.

SPEAKER_04 20:17

That is fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 20:19

It is fantastic. And they spoke of what it was like without tourists there all the time, and how they could hear the earth in a different way than ever before, and how they could smell the smells in a different way than ever before, and that they only remembered that memory through the collectiveness from many, many years ago. Right? So, and that's what they're experiencing. But this can sometimes I hear them as a collective, but but a lot of the time a spokes animal will come forward for that collective and give me information that is astounding, that I just didn't know, and that they tell me about this, and then experts come in and said, Yeah, that's quite correct, you know. So these these collectives have have communication. So, yeah, very interesting. Very interesting.

SPEAKER_04 21:10

Fascinating, Tricia. And it reminds me of um, there's a a Casey reading that talks about uh, so we humans have free will and we can act against the divine because of it, right? We can do correct bad things, destructive things, hurtful things. Um, and the animals don't have that, so they're always in a line unless they're influenced by us, and then they can um they can they do be they become dependent upon us for their well being uh when we are, you know, exerting our free will on them. Um and we can do that in in very hurtful ways, obviously, but um, but also in a companion way, and then that's how they become individualized. That's your Talking is what that reminds me of.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

Well, those hurtful ways also need to be, you know, um discussed at s at some point. But like you're saying, there's free will. I always say to people, if they've got a very, very anxious dog, always in fight or flight, that animal didn't come out of the womb that way. It's because of the outside influence and the experiences they have with the human part of the part of the story. So, yes, we do do that, but some animals have agreed to come on board with that because well, I I feel we need all the help we can get, really. But animals have come, you know, to assist us in that way. They have some of their own agenda as well, but they've come here to assist us. So you say like that's the individual side of things, yes. We can and we do have a very big influence on animals, and we need to consider that at all times.

SPEAKER_04 22:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

At all times. I think I think you understand what I mean by that.

SPEAKER_04 23:02

Definitely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:03

Yeah. So uh what's interesting is that um, oh, if I if I said to you, what is your favorite reading and why, and what do you think it can teach us? It's a big question.

SPEAKER_04 23:20

It's huge. I I mean I have so many favorite readings. So um I'll start with a short one. Casey said, Nature is the best book of all. Nice short reading.

SPEAKER_02 23:31

I love that. I love it.

SPEAKER_04 23:33

And it you can take it on the surface and and or you can just keep thinking about it. It just gets bigger and bigger, even though it's a small little, you know, his readings were actually pages long, but and and these reading quotes that we often see are just parts of them. Um, and then there's that repetition that runs through on, like I was tell telling you earlier about how he said, uh, make the world a better place because you've lived in it. Like make the world more beautiful. That's our purpose. So that's a favorite. And then I have this really long one.

SPEAKER_02 24:06

If you'll let me read it, I'll read it too. Absolutely. We'd love to hear it.

SPEAKER_04 24:10

Okay. Uh, here it is. The song of the bird, the beauty of the rose, the buzz of the bee, the activities of those things that give forth of themselves the expressions of the joy of just using for the time being a portion of God in their activity. Would that all men everywhere could gain that consciousness in life in life's experience. That's that's my absolute favorite. And you could think on that for days, I think. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:46

Totally could think on that, but it's also very profound.

SPEAKER_04 24:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:51

It's the summing up of everything and all that there is. Yeah. That's that's an that's an incredible um uh quote. And as you said, his readings are pages long, but there'll be these amazing quotes in there, and that's one of them for me. Yeah. Yeah. That is truly incredible. Yeah. And we You can't really say what has it got to teach us because it's going to be different for everyone. Like you said, you can continue thinking about it and thinking about it and thinking about it until Yeah, you you have a you have a great clarity within it. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Totally. Um, I was wondering if you could give us some examples of animals in the afterlife and reincarnation. These are really, really interesting areas that you found in the readings.

SPEAKER_04 25:43

Oh, yes. So um there are two standout stories in the Casey readings. Uh uh, one in particular is probably the most well-known. Any anytime you read something from Casey about animals, it usually has this story well worth repeating. And it is the story of this little dog named Mona. And uh Casey had done readings for so Casey lived from 1877 to 1945. In in 1943, he gave this family readings, and there were four members of the family that got a reading. Every single one of them asked about Mona, the family's dog. So that tells you a lot about Mona's personality right there. Um, everyone's one of them. And one of them even asked if they could do if Casey could do a reading for the dog. And he said he could, but you wouldn't be under able to understand it unless you understood dog language, which I thought was brilliant. You could probably understand it, but is where I come in.

unknown 26:42

Right.

SPEAKER_04 26:44

So um, but what happened was they found out um through all their questions that Mona had been with the family for many lifetimes and um as uh an animal companion. And in one of those lifetimes was in ancient Rome, and she was a lion back then, and they fought together. The the families fought together with the lion against some enemy. I'm not sure which what the enemy was. It wasn't it wasn't in the reading, but fascinating to me that uh animals can reincarnate, and not only can they reincarnate, but they can change species, they can choose their overarching group mind that they want to belong to, maybe for their own lessons and for their own opportunities. And um, and then there was another one that also just reinforced the reincarnation theme for animals, and there that was a little dog named Peggy, and her person asked about her and if she had been with her in past lives, and he said, uh, yes, she has, and and and she asked, Who was she? And and he said, part of the animals in the household. So uh yeah, those are the two standouts, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

Yeah, uh totally, and having a dog come back as a lion, I can understand that. Um, and you know, and having and having many having many choices, and that's why I think that um we need to go into a little bit more. So, what does Casey say around reincarnation of animal souls into a human soul and vice versa? Because this is a very big subject, and I have quite a bit of experience around this, but I'd love to know what uh Casey has to say on that.

SPEAKER_04 28:33

Oh, well, I'm interested to hear what what you have to say as well. What Casey said was there is not transmigration um between uh animals and humans. Um he said, though, and there is there is a but, but um, but first I'll say uh yeah that animals can reincarnate as other animals, and humans can reincarnate as different genders. Okay, that's that's that's in the reading. So male, female switch back and forth, but not into animals. But um so but what he said was that you can have an affinity for a particular kind of group of animals, like like me and cats, for example. Although I love all animals, I really do, like all of them, but I do have an affinity for cats. But but Casey went back to talk about how we were all there in the beginning. We when we came into the earth, we, you and I, Trisha, and we were not physical forms, we were celestial beings, we were spiritual beings that that wanted to experience three dimensions because we're not our souls are not three-dimensional. The the three-dimensional earth plane, Casey called it the mundane earth plane. Can you imagine? Um, it is rather mundane at times, isn't it? So um we came because we we came down here and we just like want to feel it. We want to feel what it's like to be, and then we got kind of embedded in the earth. And our our human form had to be developed later as a form for us to reincarnate out of, go in and out of uh as a better form because we got stuck in the earth and we may have been stuck experiencing ourselves as a cat or a giraffe or a tree. And that's how the um the myths of uh the mythical beings like centaurs and and and those kinds of beings uh came came about. According to Casey, it was there were real actual beings like that on this planet where we're talking millions of years ago, because he said life on this earth even for us ha has been happening for millions of years.

SPEAKER_02 30:48

So well, even those mythical creatures there, like a combination of two different things or energies. Have you had any personal experiences with that reincarnation with animals?

SPEAKER_04 31:05

Yes, I have had dreams that that and I've had um I have been put through uh I've been hypnotized and gone through reveries kinds of things, and then I've had dreams and that that I feel were past lives for me, and I was not anyone famous. Yeah. Just say that. No, I had um, I believe I had a lifetime in Atlantis. Casey talked about Atlantis existing for real at some point, and um Egyptian uh called me a bit. Um also uh out in the west of America, the Americas. Um I have had some of those. Um I had I had um I had I was hypnotized and I felt that um I had an experience in the West and my horses were my were some of my cats in my present life. The horses I had in the past. And I had an interesting insight about the way my husband at the time, ex-husband, um, the way he treated my cats, and it was in that in that past life, he didn't like the horses because I used them to escape from him. Like I would just get on a horse and go to get away from him. And uh in this life, he didn't he had problems with my cat. So it was this interesting kind of I sometimes I think those those kinds of memories come to you only when you like when you need them for understanding.

SPEAKER_02 32:38

Uh yeah, yeah, totally. And look, the animals have a very um decisive position on past lives. And because I consult and I'm talking to animals and getting information from them, a lot of people do ask about past lives. And the animals always say to me, try to, you know, divert away from that because a past life is just it's like the sum of all the past lives have created to where you are now, and it's very important for people to know where they're going, not where they've been. That's it's it's it's a really interesting position that the animals take. And they said, if you want to discuss some of this for thrill and fancy, they call it, um, then by all means, but it doesn't have the relevance to them because they said the here and now is everything. And so what can you do now? And if people are dwelling in the past, they said they won't be thinking about what they're doing right now. So I had a cat named Shay. Um he only left in 2023, no, 2022, and uh he was 20 years old, but he had been with me twice in this lifetime. And I had him the first time when I was 19, I'm obviously not 19 now. Um when I was 19, he stayed for a very short time, and then many years later, when I became a communicator, he was very pivotal in everything that took place, and I just remember seeing him sitting on a um a buffet unit. He was just sitting on this this ledge, and I remember looking at him, and then I saw the other cat superimpose over him. Oh wow and I just thought, what am I looking at? And I said to Shay, Shay, you you you're not Cimarron, are you? And he went, Finally, finally, I can't believe you finally worked it out. And uh and he said, not that that it's relevant, because what I'm doing now is far more relevant. And I said, So why did you only come for like a few months? It was quite tragic, and you know, why he said, I only came to make the connection again. I was to work with you later as a communicator. You weren't a communicator then. So I was just reforming our connection so you'd recognize me, we would get together later, and then we could pursue uh what we needed to pursue, and he certainly did. Um you know, which was which was amazing. But the animals have also spoken about, which is interesting, that we are only wearing a spacesuit. He said that you know, they'll say, That's your spacesuit, this is my space suit. You can choose any spacesuit. Oh, so I've had dreams and sensations and flashbacks of being animals on this planet. Oh, wow. Okay. That so that's why I can feel like I know exactly how they think and feel, and I become part of them. Now, when I was four years old, we had um my father was in livestock and we lived in the country, and that we had a pet lamb, and most lambs, you know, need to be fed with bottles and things like that. But this lamb, my mum came out, and the lamb was standing out the front of our house eating grass, and I was on all fours eating grass with the lamb. So I wasn't feeding the lamb, I wasn't the human with the lamb, I was another lamb. So, and and that's why I said to you earlier when I was neighing like a horse, I actually became the animals, and it it's I've been animals before, it just feels so comfortable to me. So that's gonna be interesting to have a to have a think about. It's just been my experience, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:34

So yeah, and I and you're not the only one who's told me that they're convinced that they've been an animal in a past life, for sure. And I love the plot of spacesuits because we really are just all the same stuff. I mean, we know that. We know that we're all in our at the essence, we're all the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 36:55

We are all the same thing. You know, so that's why I'm loving discussing this with you because you understand it and it's it's topics that they that has a lot of opinions on it out there. What a beautiful conversation. Thank you so much to Jenny for sharing her heart, her wisdom, and those powerful insights into the spiritual lives of animals. I was having such a wonderful time talking to Jenny, discovering that we're fellow travelers along the same path, that we just kept talking. In part two, we explore some truly inspirational stories she's uncovered about reincarnation and animals in the afterlife. If you'd like to learn more about Jenny's work or explore her book, The Age of a Spider Monkey, you'll find the links in our show notes.

SPEAKER_01 37:37

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SPEAKER_02 38:07

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SPEAKER_00 40:13

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SPEAKER_02 41:22

Okay. And from your perspective, yes, this drying coat is incredible. But as an animal communicator that you are, Donna, we need to know does Diego have that sentiment? Does he feel that way about the coat? So you've obviously had a communication with him or a conversation with him. So what what did he tell you about this coat?

SPEAKER_00 41:48

Well, the funny thing is he doesn't love it as much as I do to start with, but he does put up with it. And he said to me, he's happy to wear it if it means I will stop fussing over trying to dry him off. And so the first time he put it on, uh I gave him some time, ignored him, and he was pretty happy with it. He found it quite cozy. He actually found it quite comfortable. He slept in it, you know, outside, inside. Um, and he was all right with it. But at the end of it, he goes, I don't want to be made a fool of with this coat on. Doesn't want to look like all the other little dogs out there with a little coat on, walking around. So he's actually happy to have it at home, but that's it.

SPEAKER_02 42:29

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SPEAKER_00 44:10

Hey Trisha, I have this cat I really want to introduce you to. Knowing what a cat person you are, I found this across the net actually on TikTok. And it's this little cat, little rescue cat named Cole. Very appropriate. He's a little black cat. And his mum, Emily Cook, she rescued him. And after a while, as he got, you know, comfortable with her and everything, she saw him looking over at one point, having a look at some cards, and not just any cards, these Ataro cards. And she thought, okay, it's a little bit interesting. He's looking at them. He's just fiddling around with them with his paw. She thought he was just playing with them. And then lo and behold, this cat picked up the cards, picked up specific cards, and placed them right near her hand. And she lifted them up and just got curious and saw they were quite accurate to what she was receiving and what she was feeling. And she thought, okay, it must be coincidence, coincidence. This cat did it again and did it again and did it again. And now he's got absolute worldwide fame for his online readings and for his tarot readings as a cat of all things. And I thought, I have to share with this with you. How amazing is this?

SPEAKER_02 45:14

Well, first of all, Donna, it's not so amazing because it is a cat. And you know how I feel about cats. You know, look, out of all the animals on the planet, cats are the most psychic, intuitively aware. They walk between worlds, and that's why they used to be the familiars with witches. So it doesn't really surprise me about this cat who supposedly is doing tarot, but I have heard a little bit about this cat, mainly because it's this cat's got a really big following on TikTok. And I think probably everybody's heard something about it. If you haven't, well, you need to, right?

SPEAKER_03 45:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:56

But it's really interesting because how does this cat like it it apparently, like you're saying, that it kind of shuffles the cards and then picks certain ones out. So um I think it'd be great now to connect with that cat and find out what the real reason is behind it or why he's fascinated with cards, or is he is it just a fascination or is it something else? So, do you want to go first?

SPEAKER_00 46:25

Oh, look, when I first tune in with Cole and ask him, Wow, how, where's this coming from? Uh, the first thing he kind of said to me was, I think everyone's making a bigger fuss than what it really is. He said, It's a natural ability. All cats have this intuitiveness to tap into the the natural world to the psychic world. We have these intuitive abilities just like us as well. And he said, I don't know what the fuss is about. And I went, Well, you're a cat, that's why. And he said, But us beings all have these powers. If only you would just tap into it yourself. And I went, Oh, okay, very interesting.

SPEAKER_02 47:02

Yeah, look, when I tuned into Cole, and he he was saying something similar into the respect of, oh, I don't know what all the fuss is about. It's so easy. It's so easy, so natural. Like, what is the problem with these people? But anyway, everyone's making such a big fuss. Hey, I'm I'm gonna ride this, you know? Like, I get more treats, I get I get more patting, I get well, I don't really like getting put in front of the cameras. I don't like that at all, but I do get a lot of stuff from my mum. So I'm okay with that. But then when I said to him, I know this you're saying it's a natural ability, but is it something that's come from somewhere else, or did you just decide to do it? Well, he said, It's actually I've done it before. And I went, Oh, well, you do you mean with somebody else? Or and he goes, No, no, no, no, no, many lifetimes ago in ancient times. He said, But the cards looked very different. He said it was it was it was really different, and I and I did it with different things. But the cards kind of serve as the same sort of tool. So I don't know, I saw them there and I thought I would show my mum what I can do because it's it's really quite natural to me. It's just something that comes to me and it's really not a big deal. So, you know, go s go figure, Donna, that he's already done it before, he's just bringing it back into this lifetime, really. I think that's quite fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 48:32

It's amazing what he can do, and I love that sharing that, how important is that that we have skills that you know carry through all our multiple lifetimes. I mean, if not for a cat, then why not us? We sure are carrying our own skills over multiple lifetimes too. So it's quite amazing. It's just incredible what he's showing the world what's possible.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

I think also, look, what I know of animals uh through many years is that your animals know you better than you know yourself. Why? Because they're silent observers. Haven't you ever looked over and your dog or your cat's just looking at you from across the room, or perhaps they're at your feet, they're just looking up at you, and you're kind of going, what is it? What is it? Sometimes they're just observing you, and they observe you so much, they know so much about you. And that's why sometimes in a consult that the animal will tell me all about the person, and they go, How did you know that? And I went, Well, I didn't. I do now because your dog told me or your cat told me. But what's really really good about this is that the they're sort of saying about his cards that, you know, when he when this when Cole's doing tarot, that, oh, you know, it's it's it seems pretty accurate. Of course it's accurate. He already knows about you. The other thing he's saying to me is this is because you can't communicate in the silent language, this is the only way I can communicate with you and let you know what's going on with your life. I really feel that he's more so than everybody else, he's really trying to guide his mum, you know, his person. He's really trying to guide her and he knows all about her. So he's picking the appropriate cards to give her the answers to say, hey, have a look at this or have a look at that. You know, if her if her love life's not going so well and he's choosing a card that's telling her to go in a different direction, she probably should listen. Because he does know a lot about her, and that's his way of communicating.

SPEAKER_00 50:29

It's so incredible, it really is. Like how lovely is it to have an animal that loves you that much and is trying everything they can to show you and share with you what you can do with your life, the guidance to help you with your life. And that's where it comes from, that place of unconditional love. Maybe a bit of sass there too, but unconditional love.

SPEAKER_02 50:48

I think there's a lot of sass there because I'm thinking it would it is out of the love for her, most definitely. But it's also probably out of a lot of frustration. I just want to let our audience know out there that it is quite frustrating for your animals sometimes because they can clearly see where you're going wrong or what you need to be doing, and they feel gagged. How are they going to tell you? This cat's found a way, but I'm not sure all of our cats and dogs can pull out some tarot cards. Perhaps you haven't even you don't even have tarot cards at home, so that there's none for them to use. But they really want to tell you from their perspective what it looks like because they are coming from a very objective place. So imagine the frustration going, no, no, no, or she brings home this guy and he's sitting there going, no, no, that's gonna end in disaster, don't do it. Where are those tarot cards? Where are those tarot cards? I've got to go pull one out and say, no, don't do it, don't do it. Abort, abort, abort. Anyway, I I'm sure our animals see us many, many times and wish we would do that with many things. I've seen those cards and and images, you know, where the dog's got his paws across his eyes. I think they do that a lot. Yep. I think they just go, Oh, are you serious? How many times do you have to do this before you get it? I think sometimes we need more than tarot cards, don't I? I think so.

SPEAKER_00 52:11

Way more than tarot cards. I think so. I think they just we need as many consults as we can, and we need as much communication open as we can. That's the best way.

SPEAKER_02 52:20

Well, look, thanks so much for bringing that up. I think this is a great story, and I I just think there's there's so much in it, and I hope everybody's enjoyed listening to it and listening to Cole. And as always, thank you for tuning into Animal Talk. Don't forget to follow, share, and join us next time as we continue to give a voice to the animals and to the deeper wisdom of the entire natural world.