What Your Animal Isn't Telling You About Pain, Ageing and Healing

🐾 Episode Highlights
• Understanding adult stem cells and their role in repair and regeneration.
• Why stem cell migration naturally declines with age.
• The science behind algae-derived stem cell support.
• Natural anti-inflammatory compounds and nutritional support.
• Green-lipped mussel extract and joint health benefits.
• Supporting ageing dogs, cats and horses.
• How vitality and quality of life matter deeply to animals.
• Practical tips for introducing supplements to fussy pets.
• Gut health, skin conditions and species-appropriate nutrition.
• Why animals often hide pain.
• Behavioural signs your animal may be suffering.
• The role of certified animal communicators alongside veterinary care.
• Helping animals understand veterinary procedures and treatment.

⏱️ Episode Chapters
00:00 – Introducing Linda Hoggard and today's topics
01:18 – Linda's health journey and becoming a naturopath
03:11 – The science of stem cell migration
07:10 – Ageing, repair and rebuilding
11:08 – Stem cell support for animals
13:16 – The Sarool pet formulation explained
14:30 – Real-life experiences with dogs and horses
18:05 – Cats, dosage and practical feeding tips
20:24 – Nutrition and modern health challenges
32:03 – Vitality, mobility and signs of improvement
34:27 – Recovery after injury and surgery
41:26 – Gut health, inflammation and itchy skin
00:00 – Animal News: recognising pain in animals
01:19 – Behavioural signs of discomfort
03:31 – Working with vets and communicators
07:05 – Why animals hide pain
09:48 – Mattie's story and early intervention
12:29 – Giving animals a voice and choice

🐾 Animal News
This week's Animal News explored new discussion around recognising pain in dogs and why it can be so difficult to identify.

Trisha and Dana highlighted that animals instinctively hide pain as a survival mechanism. By the time obvious signs appear, discomfort may already be significant.

Knowing your animal's normal routines, noticing subtle behavioural changes, and working closely with veterinary professionals can make all the difference.

For those seeking deeper insight, certified animal communicators may provide additional support by helping guardians better understand their animals' experiences and preferences.

👤 About the Guest
Linda Hoggard is a New Zealand naturopath with decades of experience supporting people through natural health approaches. Following her own journey through significant childhood health challenges, Linda developed a passion for understanding the body's innate healing capacity.

She has worked extensively educating others about nutritional wellbeing, adult stem cell support and practical strategies to optimise vitality for both humans and animals.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:02

Today I'm thrilled to be joined by Linda Hoggart, a naturopath from New Zealand, who will be sharing her expertise on natural health, well-being, and the exciting world of stem cell technology for both humans and animals. Plus, we'll be exploring insights from Cerul to get better understanding of how we can help our animals for greater health and well-being. Stay tuned for an enlightening conversation that blends science, intuition, and most of all, heart. Linda, it's so wonderful to have you on the show. Thank you so much for coming on, and I know that you're going to give us a wealth of information. Absolutely. Great to see you, Tricia. Well, you know, Linda, we do know each other from uh many moons ago. So we have met and I do know a lot about your work, but I'm sure that everybody, our audience, is going to want to know uh all about you because uh not only do you do something interesting, but you also have some very interesting information and particularly about animals. So I have a mountain of questions to ask you. So let's get underway. First of all, can I just ask, and I don't know if I've known I've ever even asked you this, what led you to become a naturopath?

SPEAKER_01 1:20

Oh, that's a big story. Probably just being a really unwell child. Uh, I decided at 12 that I was going to study medicine, so I was quite keen, you know, GP surgeon, that sort of thing. But by 15, through my own health issues of basically developing endometriosis, polycystic ovaries, heading into chronic fatigue, generally not doing very well, uh, it became apparent that I needed to study, you know, more of a biochemical nutrition and get a real understanding of how the body works and just have this question of, well, like why why do I, you know, as a child I reacted badly to anesthetic and nearly died, you know, and our local GP would be, you know, your mother's a redhead. Of course, you're going to have all these issues. So we now know a lot about genetics, and I know a lot about my detox genetics, and definitely it was the right road for me to head down. Yeah, I've got a over the years a lot of answers for myself. I've got myself to be really quite a well, consistently well, stable human being, uh, and been able to pass a lot of that information on to a lot of other people and animals.

SPEAKER_03 2:29

Yeah, which is amazing because, you know, I don't know about you, but around the world, I I mean, and over the years you would have seen this people moving into more natural ways of of looking after your health, allowing your body to heal itself and moving to full health in a natural way and to increase longevity.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

That's the real medicine. You know, the other medicine's pharmaceutical.

SPEAKER_03 2:52

So we're going to be talking about um the company Cerule today. So can you tell us a little bit about um, first of all, you know, your role in Cerule, but how you came to develop the products that we have in Cerule because we need to talk about a mountain of things like stem cells. So let's get started in this, in this deep this rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

Yeah, it is it is a big question. Uh I guess many years ago I found a product uh that totally changed my life, and it totally started changing the lives of people that I was working with and started using the product with that with animals, and it was a product ingredient called STEM Enhance, which is a concentrate of an algae that comes from Lake Klamath in Oregon. And that proprietary concentrate is now available through a company called Cyrul. And I've been involved with Cyrul right from the beginning, kind of heading up the information team here in Australia and New Zealand, and at times uh working in in North America and Europe. So it's it's been quite a ride, and it's a fantastic product for the migration of stem cells, because that's where the really key science and the scientific paper on the product is about. And the scientific paper shows that when you take uh two capsules of the stem enhanced ultra product, that within 45 minutes you have a 25% increase in stem cell migration. So this is just a total game changer when it comes to helping humans and animals rebuild and repair, because the way our bodies rebuild and repair is through the migration of our own adult stem cells. One of the many things that happens as we get older, but a really pertinent part of aging is that we have a drop-off in our stem cell migration. So the general scientific literature would say over the age of 25 that your stem cell migration drops by 5% per year. So getting to kind of 50, it's half, and then obviously with each decade it's less and less. And I know when I, you know, found the product in my younger days as an atropath and started to see the changes in helping people rebuild and repair, it really answered some questions I had about how can you really help people in managing their aging process. And and if someone's not aged particularly well or they've really overworked or injured an area, how can you get the resources of the body to really recover, rebuild and repair? You know, it's common for people and animals to have had injuries, you know, five, ten years later they're still sore. And I would suggest that really the area hasn't actually healed properly because when you start to increase the mobilization of stem cells uh in that person or animal, and you get it get enough of the product in for long enough, you can see some really significant turns turnaround in whether it's degeneration or uh damage to tissues.

SPEAKER_03 5:55

So when you're saying, even though some of that was distressing because we're all going through aging, and I don't even want to tell them what decade, what decade I'm in, we'll we'll just okay, let's just move right along, move right along. Um but we but when you're saying uh you so you're remobilizing, so we've got these stem cells in our body, right? In our bone marrow. And um, so I do know a little bit about this, as you know, but it it it's what they used to say is that they it gets a bit sticky. It is so we don't we don't have the release.

SPEAKER_01 6:26

Yeah, there's a compound in the bone marrow that's called L-selectin that anchors the stem cells, and this compound gets stickier the older we get, and it's known through the research that there is another compound in the algae that has a natural affinity for L-selectin. Hence they've called this compound L-selectin ligand, and ligand is Latin for adheres to. And so this compound naturally in the late Klamath algae adheres to the anchorin compound uh for about six hours after you ingest it and allows the stem cells to migrate out at that greater rate. And the research shows that it's a minimum of 25%. So, in the average human, that's an extra four to nine million stem cells in circulation from two capsules of product.

SPEAKER_03 7:12

Look, I find this exciting. I just do amaz because i i if we can just explain to the audience um about how a stem cell actually works, you know, because it's a neutral cell that can change into anything, right? So for instance, if we just do an example to make it simple. So say somebody gets um an injury and the body reacts to that, doesn't it, by sending out a signal? So we we can yeah we we can imagine it's a no no no no no, you know, it's a little ambulance saying, hey, we need some we need some help over here. And you're saying that the stem cells have to go there to become whatever that organ is or that area of the body that becomes those cells, that yourself, that tissue to regenerate, right? And so so what happens is if we're aging, we might need we'll just do this as an experiment. Say we need 60,000 stem cells to fix that problem, and then we're in an age group where we're only going to get 20,000, right? That that's sort of a a little bit of an example, right? And so if we take the the algae, the product, and it helps us release more of it, even if it didn't get to 60,000, say, but it went to 45 or 50, we're gonna get a much bigger repair.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

Yes, and you can take quite a bit of this product. Like if there's a lot going on, you can increase the amount that you take to really get optimize your stem cell migration as much as you can from this product, and therefore you've got optimal resources mobilized. You you'll never totally compensate for aging, but you can at least do something about it and get things moving. Uh and I th one thing I talk about.

SPEAKER_03 9:01

I want you to compensate. I know. There's no miracle work and there's not a quick pell and go, oh, I'm 25 again. It's wonderful, it's wonderful. But no, continue.

SPEAKER_01 9:11

Yeah, so uh it is about managing your aging process and it is something you can really use to manage your aging process and then use different amounts to turn around uh certain certain kind of things that have gone on in the body. You know, one thing I often talk to people about is falling off your bike. You know, you fall off your bike as a kid, maybe like 10 times a day, and it's not a problem. You know, then you fall off your bike when you're 20 and you're like, oh, I actually noticed that. And then it gets worse with every decade. Yes, but when you're 80 and you fall off your bike, it can potentially be a life-threatening experience. She didn't have the stem cell migration, uh, and she would have gone into a lot more inflammation.

SPEAKER_03 9:53

Wow. That's really big because I I have to admit, we hear these stories all the time. You know, sort of like 75, 80 years of age on they had a fall, and that was kind of the end of that. And they went from being very independent and okay to not. And it's all about this this stem cells. And so it just makes sense that we do need to do something if you want longevity. It's quality of longevity. That uh that's what I think is really the key point here. Taking what came from the earth is a natural thing, it's not like a chemical that has been created, it's just feeding the body.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

There's the pigment in the algae itself functions as a natural anti-inflammatory. It's very nutritious and it's got a good amount of PEA, this natural mood-enhancing compound that we relate to to chocolate, but it's got quite a good amount of if you if someone is taking it because they're they're feeling a bit old and worn out, the the pick me up and making you feel like you can cope with your life more is a real attribute to the product. Uh and although that compound as well tends to make your brain a lot clearer during the day, help you sleep better at night, etc. And these are just natural compounds that are present in the algae and have been concentrated.

SPEAKER_03 11:10

So I want to talk about now because it's not only us who goes through this, it's our animals. Yes, yeah. Our pets, our loved ones. Same, same, same, right? Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

They're all rebuilding and repairing in the same way.

SPEAKER_03 11:26

And you know, um, what I've noticed in in my line of work, being an animal communicator and consulting and being around animals, um, is that there has been sort of a health decline generally with our animals over the years, where same as us in the old days where, say, cancer or certain diseases were more of an elderly person's thing or an elderly animal, it's now becoming much younger. And it, you know, that could be many factors. But the fact remains that there's a a lot of animals going through a lot of different health issues because I'm getting heaps of them in my consults, you know. And things that as much as the veterinary medicine is trying to fix, they either can't find what's wrong in some cases or they don't, we don't have anything to remedy it. You know, we have a lot of supplements and things like that. And it's not that animals don't, but I want to talk about what Cirule is doing for animals and pets because, you know, there's products for them as well, and of course, that's obviously a big interest of mine. So can we talk a bit about that? So, what is Cyrul doing for animals and what specifically is in those products? Because there's three main ingredients, right?

SPEAKER_01 12:40

Correct. Yeah, so we will see a Cyrul pet product coming to market imminently that has three ingredients. It has the stem enhanced concentrate, it has the siaactive pigments. So you might say I've been drinking a blue drink. This is our collagen product that has the siaactive blue pigment in it. Uh, and this is a specific anti-inflammatory pigment isolated. And the third ingredient is uh New Zealand green lip mussel extract, so which is pretty cool. I actually live up on a hill overlooking the bay where the green lip mussels are farmed. So it's quite dear to my heart. And yeah.

unknown 13:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:21

So in regards to so the algae, obviously, we know what that's doing with the stem cell remote blades. So then you're saying soactive. So that's targeting the inflammatory, and then the green lipped muscle, which obviously is that speci specifically for muscles and joints and things like that, or is it it does it do something else?

SPEAKER_01 13:40

It's one thing. So we're using uh human-grade uh green lip muscle, which means that all we're using is the whole actual muscle, not shell and and crap in it. It's really high grade. So we're getting a lot of just good core nutrition from that muscle. And of course, for anyone who knows about green lip muscles, you know that it's high in uh chondroitin and glucosamine, those ingredients that uh are commonly used to improve uh the cushioning and flexibility of the cartilage. Uh, so it's a perfect kind of combination for animals, uh, especially, you know, dogs, animals that are getting older, getting stiff joints, that sort of thing. We can increase their stem cell migration, have an extra anti-inflammatory effect, and provide nutrition for the existing joint cells.

SPEAKER_03 14:35

I uh have you used this on your own animals for starters? Let's talk about that and then we can talk about others.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

Uh yes, I have a really fussy 11-year-old husky, and to my delight, that uh as I've trialed the the pet product, Opal just loves it. And she's she's quite fussy with her food. She will eat half her dinner and leave half her dinner. As soon as she knows I'm mixing this stuff up in the dinner, it's all eaten and the bowl's licked out, and I really have to take the bowl off her because she's you know, she starts obsessing over have I got every little piece of this. So that's quite a delight for me. And I feel that I can really support her, you know, in the next few years, you know, in her latter years. And she's she's in quite good health, but she's just noticeably brighter. Uh and I guess, you know, like huskies, you know, they they jump on things, you know, she's always pretending she's chasing a mouse and that sort of thing. There's just a lot more of that. And yeah, just that really brightened her up lovely.

SPEAKER_03 15:39

And it must feel wonderful because as our dogs age, as us, but as our dogs age, you know, that's one of the things they slow down. And we we know that dogs, I mean, they've told me over and over again for years, but you know, they love running, they love the quality, they're more into the quality than even us. And the reason I say that, there's a big difference because people do want quality, but even if they don't have quality, they still want to hang around. Animals, not as much. Okay, like animals are really big on quality. In fact, sometimes when they don't, they're often thinking about heading off.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:15

Where so this is very important for animals to to feel some vitality, because as soon as they have vitality, man, they're on it. They and they're loving it. And their life has become bigger, better. They're specifically different to humans in that respect. Now you have horses as well. We do.

SPEAKER_01 16:31

So what do you do? One one horse in particular um is very prone to laminitis. You know, he's a bit of a guts if he gets around too much grass, and he will he'll get head, you know, he gets grass affected, he gets head flicky, um, and his feet get, you know, his hooves, I should say, get sore. Uh the head flicky, you know, we calm down with magnesium, but he'll he'll often, you know, you've reduced his his feed lot and things, and it's just you can just like, oh Marcus, you're just sore. And all we have to do is start putting four capsules of this the stem enhance into a feed source at night, and it's it's noticeable the next day and a bit more the next day, and it pulls them out of it really quickly. I've worked on been called out to work on a lot of horses uh with laminitis, you know, and sometimes the la it's really bad, and then the the vets are going, we don't know, just kind of put them down. Uh my dear Don is actually uh a horse whisperer, so we have a lot of horse stuff happening here.

SPEAKER_04 17:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:34

Uh yeah, in in our life. And so he he would always work with feed, um, you know, he's a horse psychologist, kind of communicator as well. So, you know, he'd pick up on things, but once he met me and we started adding in the stem enhance, he was like, Wow, I've never s I've never seen changes like this in hooves and yeah, been able to help so many horses on that level. So it's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_03 17:59

So at the moment we you know, we're we're you're working in the dog and cat um because there's a specific formula that you're putting for those two. Is there a difference between the cat formula and the dog formula?

SPEAKER_01 18:11

Well, uh what you'll see coming out is the dog formula, and then it's really just more some some taste taste testing around the cat formula. The intention is to keep it the same, but uh maybe just bringing the intensity of the greenlit muscle back on their on their palates seems to be an issue.

SPEAKER_03 18:31

What are you trying to say? Are you trying to say that cats are fussy, difficult, and very strict around their criteria? Or is that is that what you know, because I leave a lot of.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

My kids think Yeah, you know, in the trials, you know, straight away I was like calling, going, Oh my god, the husky's all over it. And they're like, Yeah, but what about your cat? And I'm like, hey, do not use him in a trial, but man, he he's like, you mucking with my food, and I know you've told me cats really don't like you mucking with their food.

SPEAKER_03 19:04

Um so and and look, I and and we can talk we we'll talk about that uh because I want to talk about you know dosage and stuff, but of course you can use it for uh your horses. Um, you know, you could at the moment you can, you know, give them the stem enhance uh easily, not a problem. But what about birds? Lizards, hamsters.

SPEAKER_01 19:26

No, and I've got a friend who is like a hardcore lifestyle farmer lady, uh she and she gives everything stem enhance. Like she'd had a bad car car accident 15 years ago. And when she came into my life, you know, I said to her, I suggest you've actually never deeply healed. And after a year of like really good amount of product, it's been life-changing for her. Um, this lady was heading for a hip replacement and feels like she doesn't need it now. That's not always the case, but we obviously got to things in time. And uh she she gives it to her chickens and just reckons it's really increased her egg production and just you know, chickens, it's really important that they're really vital, you know, otherwise they're prone to scale and parasites and things. They're like like all plants and animals, the more nourished they are, the more they can repel uh pathogens. Uh and I know I've had people who particularly in Australia who've maybe got damaged, you know, their ca cockatoos kind of hurt themselves or something. They'll just open up and put half a capsule in with their feed, that sort of thing.

SPEAKER_03 20:30

Well, I think it's really interesting you're talking about nutrition because this is our problem as well. Look, I I mean let's we can talk about the elephant in the room. You know, things have changed over the years, you know, the minerals not in the soil and things being fast grown and things over. So nutritionally, perhaps the generation prior to us was healthier in many respects because of the quality of food. Yes, it depends what you eat. There's a lot more processed food being eaten. But I'm even talking about cows, sheep, hens who are not going down to McDonald's or Kentucky fried chicken. Um, but they're they're being fed the best that people can do, but the best that we've got may not be equal to what we had or the quality because we can only work with what we what we now have. So this nutrition thing to me is really vital, you know, because multiple vitamins. Adding that back in. Yeah. For your chickens. And we we also know that the body can heal itself, but we have to be giving it the tools, it has to be really healthy to do that. So this is what I'm looking at. Like I think the body can do anything, but it the body can't do it if it's depleted. That's the biggest problem. So what we're doing here is talking about putting nutrition back, getting the stem cells going, the anti aging, the anti inflammatory, because let's be honest, uh inf inflammation is one of the key issues of disease and problems in anybody, whether it's a human or a or an animal.

SPEAKER_01 21:59

Yeah, whatever. Going on with with the body bichemically, you drill down and you will find inflammatory compounds.

SPEAKER_03 22:08

So we so we would definitely want to do that. Um, just coming back, because I I I just need to stick up for the cats here. But look, I I'm really interested in the fact that, first of all, that your dog can't get enough of this, because that's a big plus, let me tell you, across the board. Because it's not just cats that are finicky, right? Because you're talking even about opal, right? But what's happening is that at least we've got a good chance that the formula you have is very tasty and awesome for dogs. Let's just put it there. But the cats, sometimes it doesn't matter how awesome it is, because apparently, this is research they've done that some cats go on smell, whether they're going to eat it, some go on taste. So one is stronger than the other depending on the cat. That's okay because you're you're formulating that. But what I always say to people is if your dog, for instance, loves the cerule for pets, perfect. Stick it in the stick it in their meal because they love it, right? But with with cats or an animal that doesn't like it, do try to avoid their actual meal, like the plague. So what I always say to people is put it in something separate. So give it to them at the beginning of the meal or through the day, whenever you can do it, because sometimes it's morning and night, but give it to them in a separate entity. Now it can be whether it's um, you know, healthy yogurt or there's other mediums we can put it in. You know, for cats, stick it in a bit of salmon oil, you know, from the salmon tin. You you they'll they'll they'll gobble anything, right? Because that flavor is now overtaking the other. But try not to put it with their food because then you're turning them off eating and you'll have another problem. Yeah, right? So we want to get this nutrition and everything into them, but you just put it in something they like and something separate, can be in their little treat.

SPEAKER_01 23:58

You know, lots of people over the years have quite successively, you know, sprinkled stem hearts, you know, on their cat's food and and had their had their cat eating it. Yeah. And I have had And if they eat it, great. Yeah. And I had a remarkable But it was you know, years ago my uncle passed away and uh um I ended up living in his house and he had these big kind of wild half main coonie tabby cats. And they they just split down the farm. And his really precious cat I found her, I don't know how she got in the house, sitting outside his bedroom what was his bedroom door a year later on his birthday. It was pretty it was quite amazing. But she she was in she was in her in a mess and I you know, I had to get all the knots out of her and that sort of thing and uh wormed her. She'd had really no care, got her food, she was off her food, and then I noticed where she'd been sleeping like she was losing her urine and I'm just like I don't know what had gone on with her, maybe her kidneys or something like that. And uh I just mixed up the stem enhance and just syringed it into her, and six days later she was back to normal. I mean, to me she was a cat that had come home to pass away, and uh that'll always stick with me because she's quite a special cat in the family, and yeah, it was just a remarkable experience.

SPEAKER_03 25:24

So we can talk about that in a way because a lot of people may have ill animals as we speak and listening to this, and they might say, Yeah, it's really hard to get food into my animal, then you can add a bit of bit of water to it, filtered water to it. Be and I do stress this be very careful of what water you give animals. It should be filtered, it should be of the highest level because it does affect them. But if you add this to a syringe with your powder, part of the caps, you can empty it out, but the animal section is going to come in um powder anyway. So you can just add your bit of powder in that syringe and slowly syringe it into their mouth. So it's not like it has to be in in food, particularly, or you know, your animal has to particularly do it in a different way. You can you can use it like you would with anything else that you have to give them that they're not quite capable of having in the normal way. And that'll be different for different animals, you know. You could even do that with with birds, you can do it with lots of uh different animals, even the little animals, the little rodents, because you know, they their diet may not suffice um doing that. You know, it doesn't suffice putting it in their um in their meal because they eat hay or something.

unknown 26:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:37

That's different for horses, but I I'm not a I'm not a a um hamster expert um or rabbit, but it depends on what type of foods they're used to. And I know they can be quite tricky animals that once you start them on something, they're doing well, you kind of leave them. So this powder and syringe could be actually a really great way to go for lots of different animals, you know. When we're looking at the dosage, it's like anything. Say it says take two capsules twice a day for us. If we have multiple things or a big injury or something that you know is massively going on, you would definitely be increasing that. And I guess you would do that for the animals as well. So maybe that base range, if they're elderly, they're having issues, or there's some, you know, medical stuff going on, you would just increase it. But for animals, I always go if you are using this product, you start off very small because you want to let the body get used to it. So just for a few days, you put them on even a half or a quarter of that dose that it says, and then you build up to the recommended dose, and then if they've got more things, you you can you can increase it. That's exactly what I agree with humans.

SPEAKER_01 27:46

Yeah. I say to humans this is a very natural product, but it's very concentrated. Uh so some people's digestive systems is just better just to to ease it in uh as well. And then I have a bit of a mantra I talk about in regards to how much to take, and that is my observation that most adults do really well on two capsules twice a day. If they've got more going on, we make it three capsules twice a day. If they're in a pickle, technical term, good for training in America. We go to uh four capsules twice a day, and if they're minted, talking we were talking before about New Zealand terms. That's a New Zealand term for it. Things are pretty stuffed, it became popular after the big Christjee earthquake. We'd go to twelve capsules a day over, you know, two or three two or three times. And uh that really helps because you know people will come to me and they'll kind of go, Oh, um my husband's in the hospital, he fell off the roof, he's got twelve broken bones. And I go, Well, he's definitely in a pickle, he's almost munted. And they're like, say no more. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:57

He's a bit stuffed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:59

I need of more stem cells. Yeah. So I'm I'm now not talking about humans. I want to be very specific about that. So I always say when you're say upping your dose because your animal might be munted. Um I hope I said that right. Um, if if if that's the case and you're you're upping that, and you do up that and you go, well, how much is too much, then you watch their poop. And I'm going to be very specific about remember when I'm talking about animals here, you can discuss the humans. But the animals, you you just watch their poop. Now, if their poop suffers, meaning, look, don't worry too much about the colour, it's more about the consistency and um and how often and what it looks like. And also because you know if it goes to diarrhea or something like that, something's upsetting them. And you have to make sure it's not it's not something else, but you can pull back and just see when it clears up and it goes back to that great consistent. That's kind of good for that animal. So that's what I always say. That's that's your gauge because what goes in, you just watch what comes out and you can see how it went. And and and pretty much that's the name of the game. Uh, with humans, it could be the same. I'll let you answer that, or it could be slightly different.

SPEAKER_01 30:12

It can be around bowel tolerance, yeah. You know, sometimes people, you know, have quite a sluggish bowel and they might go, this is great, it gets me moving. Other people are kind of can put them into a bit of a detox phase and they're they're having a bit of a clean out. Uh, and I leave it up to the person, you know, you know, do they feel like like that that's good, or is it, you know, going on too long because the product's a bit rich? Because they might say to me, look, I was fine on six, but eight a day just seems too rich for me. So I'm like, cool, just go back to six a day, give it a few weeks, and then then go up to eight a day if if they were trying to sort something out.

SPEAKER_03 30:47

Yeah, you've got to play, you've got to play with it. But the key here is listen to your body. Yes. What's your body telling you about this? It's all very well what's on the jar of any supplement, but you've got to listen to what your body is saying, and that's what we do with the animals. Now, obviously, because I can talk to them, it's a little easier for me. Uh, because it's really interesting, even about medications, you know, veterinary medications, because sometimes the animal will say to me, you know, because you can ask the animal, is it making you feeling better? Do you feel like it's improving you? And sometimes they'll say, It's not fixing me, but it's improving me. Or sometimes they say, it makes me have a very dry mouth, it makes me feel very lightheaded. And these are the things that are unique in animal world that don't often get heard, because unless you can speak to them, how are you going to hear it? So these repercussions, if they don't come out in the bowel like in those medications, if they don't come out and show up in the bowel, how are you going to know? Whereas this clearly does because most natural products will work that way. It's a little easier for the non-communicating people out there with their pets, even though I know you're all communicating with them, you just don't know it. If we give this product to a cat, what are we looking for to see its improvement to the cat?

SPEAKER_01 32:09

Well, I guess it's it's the same for humans and dogs. Uh, you know, if you started with an old an older cat uh looking for improved mobility, more bounciness, uh, more vitality, just like it's coming back to life. You are gonna you're gonna see it in their coat as well. It's like humans. I can tell anyone, you know, if I've recommended they take the product and I see them in a month, I know if they're on it or not. I can see it in their skin. You know, that this product is just so full of life force and and energy uh and vitality. So bringing that back, bringing that back to everyone, Wheelings.

SPEAKER_03 32:45

So it doesn't matter whether it's a cat, a dog, or a horse, it's it will be first of all, energy and vitality for all for any animal. It'll be energy, vital yeah, energy, vitality, more life force. But I guess if it's an elderly animal and we've increased the dose, we may see more mobility, we may see more quality, uh, whether it be a a cat as well, because cats get, you know, arthritic things and they get joint problems uh just like anyone, and they stop jumping around. So basically there's sort of a that's the base figure is your your energy and vitality. They're just more awake, you know, they they they've got more life force. But if they have some ailment, then hopefully we will see an improvement.

SPEAKER_01 33:33

Yeah, particularly if that ailment that ailment can be helped by improved repair and rebuilding. So I know my old Mugggy, Moggy, he got in a fight with a Tomcat and ended up with an abscess in his nipple that had to be removed. So I, you know, I then did the syringing of the stem enhance, and you know, and the vet was like, wow, just check out how this guy's healed. Yeah. I actually, and that vet had a bad set of knees, and we got that vet vet onto the product and six later. He was yeah, I think I'm pretty sure he's still on the product because it was an older, older man. So I would have used probably like six a day over six or eight months to help his body really catch up, and then like what a great thing to use as your daily multivitamin mineral, because there's over 75 nutritional compounds naturally in the algae, uh, but that can also just keep keep this extra stem cell migration to keep on top of things.

SPEAKER_03 34:31

Yeah. But I mean, that's fantastic in itself. But I know a lot of my clients with dogs, there's a big run on cruise shit ligaments having to be worked on, or patellas, but mostly cruise shit. So this would be an awesome time to increase that dose and get that healing going. Because, you know, I know people get a bit frustrated, but nothing like a dog. Like if you put a cone on a dog and you tell them they can't run around. Uh uh But I want to do it today. Yeah, but I don't think that's possible. The vet said it they're just ready to up and go. They're always ready to up and go. So imagine if we could speed up that healing process, that would be perfect. It yeah, and it can be in sterilization, it can be it can be in anything because animals do get a lot of injuries and they do have a lot of problems. There's a lot of abscess things in cats. Um, there's so many things. Horses don't get me started with horses because dogs and cats will do their own stuff, and sure they can have injuries, same as we do, right? But with horses, they get ridden and they get ridden in specific things. So they're really putting themselves out there or the people out to to create injury because you know, it's like a warm-up. Look, I I'm I'm a real gym junkie, I'm I'm exercising all the time, but boy, if I don't do a warm-up or I don't do the thing, whoa, you know. So can you imagine the horses? So I I and this has just been my observation, but particularly more so than dogs and cats or any other animal, horses pretty much need to be on this product majority of the time because every time I do a consult with a horse, it's physical.

SPEAKER_01 36:16

Yes, yeah, their spines jam up, you know, underneath the saddles and things.

SPEAKER_03 36:20

Hey, it's not easy jumping over high things. I mean, I cut to it now, but it's not easy jumping over high things, and then you've got a person on your back.

SPEAKER_01 36:27

Yeah. Like, you know, there's just you could just go on and on and on in the horse thing. For some some horses, shoeing has quite a big effect on their on their movement and therefore their circulation system. So giving all of those areas more support, including the heart, absolutely. And and general mood enhancement as well. You know, I've I for a time there I was working with quite a few horses that were coming back from Hong Kong. Uh so the New Zealand horse market requires that if a horse is sold from here, it has to be returned to here. And I mean, I just when this woman was telling me about the Hong Kong horses coming back and some of the issues they're having because they're medicated, because they live um in high-rise buildings, they race underground. And yeah, just for a lot of them, just helping them come off the medication and getting used to getting used to life in the outdoors retired in New Zealand, the product was really good for that.

SPEAKER_03 37:25

So you mentioned earlier it's got this, you know, euphoria like chocolate. Do you know what I mean? Like it's got this kind of thing. So so that that can work on dogs and cats and any other animal as well.

SPEAKER_01 37:36

So have you has that been noticed? Absolutely. Uh so the brain, the brain likes to be less inflamed, it likes to have improved ability to heal, and it likes good nutrition and it harmonizes really well with these phenylethylamine compounds. So, yes, I have seen dogs come off uh medication that they've been, you know, medicated for their behaviour. Not not always, but you know, it it's always the individual. But you know, for some animals it's just enough resources going into their brain for their brain to be more functional and for the animal to to calm down and be less anxious, etc. Or just once again that pick me up, you know, where like humans, our brains can their brains can get a bit kind of flat. Uh, you know, they might they might just be spending too much time on their own. Lots of things that go on that, you know, just a bit of mood enhancement would help them cope with all of that.

SPEAKER_03 38:35

Now, humans staying a lot on technology and you know, because obviously being out in nature, being a lot more quiet, not sticking on social media, let's not, you know, we could we could go on and on and on. Yeah, but humans have been subject to that for a long time, and they have become a little bit of bit robust to that. It's not good for you, it's just not sugar coated. What I've noticed with animals is that they're not very robust in those situations around a lot of technology, around a lot of stress, around a lot of things. So even with medication, we seem to be able to tolerate medications, even though there's a lot of side effects. I used to be in dentistry, as you know, and I'm telling you, got the mimes out, and there's more non-benefits for half the stuff than there are benefits. So we could we could spend a whole topic just on that. But with animals, this has just been my observation, they respond a lot better, especially long term, to natural stuff than they ever do to chemicals, whatever those chemicals are. So, what I love about this is it's all natural. It comes from the earth, it will work very well in conjunction with animals because animals thrive on nature. That's why even when they're ill, even when they're ill, this is a common thing. They get older, they have a few illnesses, and people will tell me, I need you to explain this to me because, or ask my dog because they want to go outside, and it has happened with cats, but it's particularly prevalent in dogs, where they want to go out in the if it if it's winter, freezing cold, raining, and they'll sit out there for hours. And they go, why do they want to do that? Because when they're feeling not good, they want to get out of all the electricity, all of the stuff that's going on in the house, all the high energy, and sit out in nature and sit in coolness because their body actually heats up in that stuff. They just want to get out there, be cool, and be close to nature. So uh that is a lesson for us as well. Maybe when we're feeling like that, that's exactly what we need to do. But this is why animals very work very closely in with nature. So I so if anyone wants to find out more about this, we will um definitely have it in the show notes, the links for Cerule to find out more about this and also um all about the animals, which we're very interested in. Amazing. I've seen this product work over and over again, and I'm just excited for people, of course, but I'm very excited for the animals because I just notice in some of their medicals and some of their um health and well-being, they're not quite covered as well as we are in a lot of things. You know, the humans have all of this available and animals only have that. I'm loving the fact that they can have as have the all the benefits from this product that the humans do, that the people do.

SPEAKER_01 41:34

Are you often asked to consult around you know, dogs that are itching at their paws and you know, skin skin stuff? So obviously has a lot to do uh with the diet, uh and the you know, potentially the the grains in the in the feed. That's what I mean I tend to find. And so those grains are quite inflammatory on the gut for humans as well. You know, you can you see this is exactly the same scenario in humans with eczema. So as the the diet is improved and the grains are removed, particularly, uh, and you want to speed up reducing that inflammation in the gut and the healing in the gut and the healing uh in the skin and calming down in the skin, uh that that's another time that we're often using the product.

SPEAKER_03 42:21

That's a common thing for dogs, is the itching, the skin condition. But what I'm noticing really big of late, and it's in both dog and cats, it's in horses, but it's sort of been in horses for quite some time. But in dogs and cats is the inflammatory bowel disease. We're finding a lot of inflammation in the gut, in the intestines, and it's leading to more serious conditions. I'm seeing it, it's such a common thing now. It used to be a little rare, now it's very common. This would obviously help that situation, surely because it's all about inflammation.

SPEAKER_01 42:58

Inflammation, yeah, and you remove the grains, you know. Humans have decided that animals, you know, food should be padded out with the same crap people are padding out their their meals with. And uh, and then starting to see the same issues and no doubt leading into autoimmunity and thyroid conditions and all those things that it drives in humans.

SPEAKER_03 43:19

Well, well, what I'm saying is is that uh often when somebody uses say something like rice, and I said, I've never seen a wolf out in the wild, you know, get his pan out and stick his grain in and kind of cook it up, and you know, that's what we're having. We need to go back, we need to as well, but animals need to go back to their naturalness and species related. It's very species related. You can't feed a dog and a cat the same. There's a there's a whole different um whole different system going on, and the same with horses because it's for me, it's all about whatever. I I mean I'm feeding them. Usually my animals would have a raw diet. And even if some animals are sensitive to raw, they would still have a proportion of, you know, meat and veg. A lot of people say, oh, I feed my animal raw meat, but meat's only one part of the game, and you'll find that any animal who kills its prey eats the stomach contents first, usually, and that has all the other nutrients in it. So you have to provide the necessary nutrients. We're getting back to nutrients again, but have to provide those nutrients. You've got to provide it in the foods, the same for yourself. You've got to provide it somehow to your body, and you've got to work out the most natural way of doing it. You and I are responsible for what we eat and any supplements we take. But when an animal's involved, we're also responsible for that because they can't get their own. And it's a big responsibility. So you do need to know what your animal needs to keep them healthy and happy because I haven't seen a dog or a cat or a horse for that matter get up on a computer and use Dr. Google or Google in any way. So we have to be the researcher and we need to apply that to the animal. Very important uh point that I want to make there. So that's absolutely crucial that we are providing that. I don't care whether your animals like junk food or things that aren't good for them, but the problem is they don't have the research to know it's not good for them. So we can know that and still make the choice. For our animals, please feed them healthily because they don't have that information, right, to make that choice. And I always say, Linda, you know, if nobody ever gave me wine, uh, I'm actually a non-drinker now, but yeah, but if nobody ever gave me wine or I never got to experience chocolate wine or sugar, I would never know it existed. So have that point for your animals. You're not depriving them. They don't even know it's there. Be healthy for them, and and especially give them anything natural that is really good for them. So on that note, I want to thank you so much, Linda, for joining us. You you are just a wealth of knowledge, and I know we're going to get you on again because there's so many things about health and well-being that a lot of us don't understand, and we could really learn from that. So, anyone who wants to learn more about the algae, the anti-inflammatory, the green lipped muscles, we will have all of those links in the show notes to fully inform you on that for those that like to do their own research, so that you can find out more about how to help you and your animals. Thank you so much, Linda.

SPEAKER_01 46:36

Yeah, you're welcome. I hope that helps lots of people and animals. Thank you. We'll see you next time.

SPEAKER_03 46:40

That wraps up our chat with Linda Hoggard. I hope you found her insights as inspiring as I did. Remember, you can explore her work and learn more about Cerule and the amazing benefits that this scientifically proven stem cell technology offers both you and your animals.

SPEAKER_00 46:58

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SPEAKER_03 47:48

What does the animal think? You might think they like it, do they really? Today I want to share something I've been really excited about for our animals' health and well-being. And that's Cyrul for pets. As many of you know, I'm incredibly passionate about supporting animals in ways that are holistic, natural, and aligned with helping them thrive physically, emotionally, and energetically. And what I love about Cyrul is that their approach is very different from many products currently on the market. What makes Cirule stand out is their products are built around scientifically proven formulas to support overall well-being from the inside out, rather than being just another everyday pet supplement. Cyrul for pets takes stem cells which repair and rebuild the body in the places where it's needed most. Symbios for Dogs by Cyrul is the amazing product I'm talking about. For me personally, I'm always looking for products that support animals gently and holistically, especially for aging pets, or sensitive animals, active dogs, recovery support, or animals just needing extra support for vitality and well-being. And because animals are such sensitive beings, many pet guardians are now looking beyond conventional approaches alone and exploring wellness products that help support quality of life in a more balanced and proactive way. Have a listen to what Dana has to say about how it's worked for her 14-year-old Siberian husky Diego. Of course, every animal is unique, and it's always important to work alongside trusted veterinary advice when supporting your animal's health and well-being.

SPEAKER_02 49:25

So ever since I put Diego on Cerule for Pets, it's been a complete transformation. He's being himself as a twilight dog, 14 years of age. He became so much bouncier. He had so much energy in the morning. He was a almost a completely different dog. He had so much fun, wanted to run, wanted to play. He was walking so much better, not as much stiffness as well. At night, he wasn't as restless, he wasn't as walking around so much. He wasn't panting so much. That was the biggest change that I saw. It's almost like he's back to being a five-year-old dog instead of 14.

SPEAKER_03 50:01

Well, well, Donna, you know, this panting at night and restlessness, especially with a 14-year-old dog, we know that that can be discomfort or pain or, you know, due to his ailment. So I'm really happy to be hearing how much better he is. But also for you, Donna, because you don't get any sleep, right? When they're, you know, keeping you up all night, not to mention the worry. This seems to be a similar conversation I'm having with so many people that are trying Cerru for pets. It's just thrilling me at the moment because you know that I I really feel for these animals when they're uncomfortable or they've got medical conditions. So I'm so pleased to hear that Diego's doing well. And it must be a relief to you to know that he's feeling better and he wants more from life, which means you can get more from your life too. So I think Cyrul for Pets is not only working for Diego, I think it's working for you as well. As an animal communicator, we've got an extra little layer going on here where we can actually ask Diego, how does it feel since Cyrule for Pets? Have you managed to have a conversation with him?

SPEAKER_02 51:09

He said to me he definitely feels a lot happier. He feels more energetic. He doesn't feel as anxious. Um, as you know, with our senior, beloved senior pets, they do sometimes start to feel a little bit more anxiety and a little bit more vulnerability as they get older. And he said to me it calms him down and it calms his mind down, which I think is a big plus.

SPEAKER_03 51:30

Oh, a big plus? It's also giving us insight into this product. Well, you can't get much better than that when Diego's telling you how good it is. So if you'd like to get your dogs onto this product, Symbios for Dogs by Cerule. Please look for the link in the show notes and you can get your dog looking vibrant as well. Symbios for Dogs, ultimate health and vitality. Next up, Animal News with Trisha and Donna. So before we move on, we'd love to hear from you. One of the things I enjoy most about Animal News is exploring the incredible stories, discoveries, and conversations happening in the animal world. If you've come across an article, news story, scientific discovery, rescue story, conservation issue, or anything involving animals that's caught your attention, I'd love for you to send it through using the email address listed in the show notes. Your suggestion may even become part of a future episode, and together we can continue bringing important animal stories to a wider audience. So, Dana, what are we talking about this week?

SPEAKER_02 52:38

Well, this one I thought would be quite interesting, especially for you and I. Articles come through, had a quick look through this and saw that it's which I find interesting you will too. Uh working out whether or not your dogs are in pain. How do you find out if your animal is in pain or not? How can you tell? So there was a study that was actually done with I think about 20 participants to work out if you can recognize when your animal is in pain or not. Can you recognise a behaviorist? And being animal whisperers ourselves, we obviously can ask the animal when are you in pain and when you're not.

SPEAKER_03 53:12

This article's mainly about dogs. It is quite difficult to work out whether your animal's in pain. Now, I think with the obvious ones, your animal's limping and whimpering and or it's just fallen off something, or you know, that's pretty obvious, right? I think I think what they're talking about is the ones that are are not as obvious. So I I know from my clients that it's a common question. My animal is acting differently, or there's something different about my animal, and how do I know if they're in pain? Well, first of all, there's some telltale signs. We're going to go why they're asking me. We'll go we'll talk about that in a minute. But the telltale signs are, uh, in in my estimation, you know, like that there will be maybe a demeanor change. There can be sometimes go off their food, they can sometimes withdraw, um, especially cats, they'll go hide under something, in something, uh, because they don't, it's their way of dealing with it. They can sometimes follow you everywhere, like they just don't want to leave your side. They become very needy. Um, and and this is varied. We're not saying this is all pain, but these can be signs of pain. And also they can shake, uh, they can pant. Uh, what about Donna? What have you else have you got that that you've noticed, even with your own dog or, you know, with with things like pain?

SPEAKER_02 54:35

Well, this is where I find it really interesting to work out because how can you tell when they're just normal behavior or when they're actually in pain?

SPEAKER_03 54:42

I mean, to say from the Well, they're in some yeah, it's like sometimes they do have behavioral changes. Like, for instance, they become very restless at night.

SPEAKER_02 54:51

Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 54:52

It's a common one.

SPEAKER_02 54:53

Absolutely, where they're just pacing around, can't get comfortable, keep moving from one spot to another, uh, panting, even though it might be 10 degrees outside and you're trying to understand what's going on. It's not hot. My dog shouldn't be panting. There's a lot of things that you see that you just get that doesn't look normal. And I think it comes for us, because we can communicate, we can ask them and say, are you in pain or not? After you've done everything you can at the vet. If you've already gone to your vet and checked, you've done everything you possibly could to work out what's going on, and your animal's still acting in that way. Well, then we can come and ask them and we can say, But I think also Yeah, but I think also, let's talk about this.

SPEAKER_03 55:31

Yes, you can take them to the vet, but even vets have said to me it's very hard for us to know if they're in pain. We can go on that particular condition if they have one, or that particular thing we've seen does tend to cause pain for this period of time or it's high or low, or they might say, Look, I don't think they are. But I've had vets say to me, like, have you ever known about animals getting headaches? Yes. And they went, Really? And I went, yes. I said, because we can ask them, right? Because he said, I I never know if they've got a headache or there's something else. This because poor vets, I mean, when you go to the doctor, where's it hurting? Does it hurt here? Does it hurt there? Does it do this? Are you feeling that? Do you have that symptom? Well, as an animal communicator, we can actually do that with dogs, cats, birds, fit, whatever. We can actually ask the animal and find out if they are in pain or is it just discomfort? How bad is it on a scale of one to ten kind of thing? And we can find a lot of that out. Now, first of all, we don't, we're not diagnosing them, we're not vets. So what we want you to do is obviously if you notice something big and a big change, you take your your dog or cat to the vet. But there's times where it's a little bit uh iffy, you know, and you don't just uh rush to the vet. If you've got a very good relationship with your vet, what sometimes happens is if they're in pain for a certain reason because they're older, they're aging, they've got conditions, they might have arthritis, often the vet's already treating them with something else. So sometimes what happens is that you may be given some painkillers, and what they might do is say try them on a low dose of painkiller and see if the symptom goes away, if their behavior goes away. Now we can ask them and that will help people, you know. And what I'm saying by we as communicators, all communicators are not equal, are they, Donna? Absolutely not. You know, you need to find a certified practitioner if you're going to use an animal communicator to assist with your vet. But what the vet sometimes does, they'll they if they suspect, they'll put them on a low-dose painkiller to see if the condition alleviates even somewhat. Now, I want to stress this, we can't leave it. Imagine you being in pain day after day after day, week after week. It's a terrible thing and it wears the animal down. If animals are in pain, they tend to go downhill. They're not liking it because they're all about quality of life, right? More so than us. More about quality of life than us. And so if they they'll go downhill. What I've found is if we can get them out of pain with whatever mechanism we can, they usually will improve and you'll see that. It's very important to not just go, oh, the condition's still there and just let it keep going. You must see your vet or you must do something about it because how much pain can an animal be in and they don't really show it. So by the time, by the time we're seeing the panting, by the time we're seeing the change in behavior, by the time we're seeing all that, there's usually some pretty significant pain.

unknown 58:47

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 58:48

Absolutely. That's what I found. I think also that when you're seeing this and and you're starting to see symptoms and you're starting to notice things, if you've done everything you possibly can and you're looking after it through your vet, and like you said, start the pain management, start testing it out, working it out. You would hope, or what we believe and we know from our clients, they have such a special bond with their animal, they can pick up on when something doesn't look right. If you know your animal that well, that that behavior's not a hundred percent there. They don't normally act that way based from their personality as well and from their routine, then you act on it. You do what you can to give them that pain relief. And as far as I can speak from my own experience, from my boy getting older and being in pain, uh, it's it's a horrible thing to watch them go through. You want to do everything you can.

SPEAKER_03 59:39

I mean, wouldn't you? There's a couple of things that we really want to cover with this. First of all, animals don't show pain in the wild. You know, that's where they're hardwired from primal brain, their instincts. So their instincts will say, Don't show pain, otherwise I'm showing a predator to come and attack me because I'm at my weakest. Animals don't like to show weakness for that reason. It's hardwired. So that's why they don't show us until later. Whereas if we get a sore thumb, we'll tell somebody, I don't know why that is. I've got a sore thumb. You know, so it's it's something that we're not high wired against. If we're out in the wild, what a disaster. We'd be attacked in the first instance. But anyway, you know, so it's something for you humans, if you're out, if you're out in the wild, think about that. Don't limp. Um, so it it it's that. But also, I think what we've got to bring up is that I've also had people come to me that didn't see it or didn't notice it. It was overlooked. Because we've got to remember by the time we're gonna see the symptoms, we're already deeply embedded in something. It's like everything's great if we find it early enough, right? We've got to find it in its early stages. So if we're gonna try to find this in its early stage, we've got to be aware, become more aware of your animal if you're not. Become more aware of their habits, how they act, what they do. If they do something out of character, follow it up, keep an eye on it. Don't just ignore it. Because animals are stoic and they don't show it. If we love them, we don't want them to have to go through that because, and it can be night after night after night. People just think they're restless because it's a hot night, or you know, some other reason, or maybe they've got an upset stomach. It it can often be pain and discomfort. So I think this just all needs to be brought to the attention because I know anim I know people love their animals, so they're going to want this. And the vets know about this so well, and they have multiple means of trying that out, you know. Often when people come to me for a consultation, they'll ask about the animal's health. But I do want to really stress this that it's very important that if you are going to find a communicator wherever they should be, make sure they're a certified practitioner. Very, very important, all right, because the accuracy of those connections and conversations vary depending on levels of training and expertise. So please make sure of that. But this is a really great topic, I think, because it's one that we're all, anyone who's anyone with animals out there, we're all going to encounter it at some stage. So you have with your dog, Donna, I have uh with my very numerous many animals at some stage or another. And it's really interesting that an amazing cat called Maddie, most people who know me would know Maddie. She was 21 years old, uh uh, and she had a slight limp. And uh I knew that that there was certain discomfort uh about her. And when I'm tuning in, because you can't tune in 24-7. So when I'm tuning in, I realised that, and she was on um, you know, some cover for that, and she told me she was fine, but this day she was limping, and I said, What's that about? She goes, This does hurt and it's quite bad, and took her to the vet, she did a cruise shit. So that that led me to take her quicker than if I'd just seen a little lean pay, she might have just jumped off something, she's 21, you know, it might just pass, but she said, This is hurting badly to me, right? So I took her earlier. So sometimes it just helps you um to know earlier and to just get it sussed out if they're doing something unusual, you know. Obviously at 21 they're not gonna operate uh because then I did uh acupuncture laser and all that, and she was really fine after only like a two or three weeks, she stopped limping, and it's amazing. It's amazing this stuff when we cut we couldn't do anything else. I mean, the vets obviously didn't want to, you know, and he satire as a 21-year-old cat. And I know with Diego you've had multiple of these.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:55

Oh, absolutely, and it makes me appreciate even more having well myself as an animal communicator and being a certified animal communicator to be able to know when he's in pain and when he's not and when he wants treatment and when he doesn't. I mean, I would not pick someone who's done it for like six weeks. I would want someone absolutely certified to trust them to tell me when he's in pain and when he's not. I would want that more than anything. And that's why I'm so glad that we teach certified practitioners how to do this and how to work with vets, not against them. Well, that's why we do it. It's a big deal. It's a massive deal. And it's true. Uh like Maddie, we've had similar experiences with Diego where unfortunately it is as the animals get older we start to see this more. Don't want to take away from even young animals, but when you're watching them day in, day out, and like you said, you can't watch them like a hawk all the time, but you wonder how often are they in pain.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:51

And it just helps being able to have that option to be able to check in with them. And also to have the option of being able to give them a painkiller if you can if you've got that good relationship with your vet and you've worked that out.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:04

Well, look, you know, look, w let's just put it out there. We're gonna get many stories of this sort of line or or or similar, but w in in all honesty, it if if you have an animal, first of all, you you need to have a vet, you need to have this, and that you know, your various professionals that help with you. You also need a reliable regular animal communicator. It should be, it should, it should go without saying. I mean, our aim in our in our teaching is to try to get every vet, every animal professional, and everybody at home being able to communicate in the silent language so that you can be more in touch with your own animals. You can ask your own animals. It's like going to a whole different level. It's going to a whole different relationship. That's our aim to get this out into the world so that animals always get a voice and a choice wherever they are. Because sometimes They don't like the treatment that's prescribed. It's not because there's anything wrong with the vet. The vet's great. But the animal doesn't want to go through it, or the animal doesn't want to do that again, or the animal wants an alternative. Just to give you a bit of an insight, right? You've got to go to the vet. You've noticed something happening with your cat. So you pick up your cat, you put it in a carrier, and the cat goes, What's going on? Well, nothing. Zero. Can't hear anything. Doesn't know where it's going. That's why it gets afraid, because it's not tell you're not telling where it's going. Does is it going somewhere nice or is it going somewhere bad? You would do the same thing if it was you. So we take it to a vet, and then the vet says, and that might have been because we're having a procedure done. They go in there, they sit with a whole lot of other animals and noises, especially if they're a little bit anxious. They're not told anything. It's like being bundled up and shoved on a plane to nowhere. Don't know how long you're in there, don't know where you're going, don't even know if you've got everything packed. That's what it's like for an animal all the time without animal communication. So they are then in the vets, and of course, you and the vet have uh have made this arrangement, but unfortunately, we didn't involve the animal in that procedure. Yes, sometimes we've got to suggest that to them and whatever, but after all, it is their body. And it should be really, they should be involved or at least know what's happening. I do that a lot for my clients when there's major procedures and things like that. So then this animal gets taken into the vet and the vet goes, thanks, see you at four o'clock this afternoon, and then you leave. Where's she going? Where's she going? Is she coming back? Are they going to do something to me? What's happening? And you can hear other animals, rah, and then you imagine the terror, right? So I'm not saying that's the vet's problem, although it would be great if all the vets could speak, but it's more important that you've told them the story before they even got there. And that's a really, really important thing. I want you to think how different it would be if your animals knew what was going to go on. Would we get half the anxiety, half the stress? Maybe not. It'd be interesting to do it as a challenge, you know? But we're just putting it out there because there are other ways of finding out information. I'm just saying that doctors talk to you to get the symptoms. Imagine if that's what happened at the vet, or you could ask your animal and tell the vet. How much more information would we have? Amazing. All right, because we honor our vets, we do need them very much so, and we we honor their work and we know that they've got a hard job because doctors at least get a talking client. People say, Oh, we have to have so many tests at the vet. Yeah, because they haven't got a speaking client. You know, they have to work it all out. And then the and then the dog is stoic, it's not showing anything. Like, hello. There's a yeah, that's it, it's a pretty hard thing to work out. So this has been a really interesting story. I hope it's helped everyone out there that there are some particular traits of animals that they do things when they are in pain, but always test it out, always make sure we can change that behavior back, or they're not doing these things because they're doing it for a reason. Honestly. So hope that's helped everyone, and uh we'll see you next week. Animal News is brought to you today by Symbios for Dogs by Cerule, the ultimate in health and vitality for your dog. See the links in our show notes. Now don't forget to follow and share Animal Talk with Trisha McKay so you never miss an episode. And as always, remember our mantra listen, learn, and connect with the animals around you.