Extreme Armoede in Kenia - Het Getuigenis van Silas Irungu

In deze aflevering spreken we met Silas Irungu, een alumnus van een Compassion-project in Kenia. Hij neemt ons mee in zijn levensverhaal: opgroeien in extreme armoede, de zwaarste en meest pijnlijke momenten die hij heeft meegemaakt, en hoe geloof en hoop hem overeind hielden toen alles uitzichtloos leek.

Dit is geen oppervlakkig verhaal, maar een getuigenis van iemand die honger, onzekerheid en verlies van heel dichtbij heeft gekend. Toch spreekt Silas vandaag met dankbaarheid over hoe zijn leven compleet veranderd is.

Zijn verhaal laat je stilstaan. Het daagt je uit om anders te kijken naar armoede, hoop en de kracht van geloof in de donkerste seizoenen van het leven.

🌍 Wil jij ook iets betekenen?

Je kan vandaag zelf een verschil maken in het leven van een kind in Ethiopië dat opgroeit in extreme armoede.

👉 Overweeg om een kind te sponsoren via Compassion. Eén beslissing kan een leven volledig veranderen.

👉 Of ga mee op de Muskathlon in Ethiopië 2027—een unieke ervaring waarin sport, geloof en gerechtigheid samenkomen, en je in actie komt voor kinderen in extreme armoede. 

Klik op de link hieronder om een verschil te maken:

https://cupofgrace-compassion.my.canva.site/takeastep

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

You wake up the following morning and you find a dead body in front of your house, and then you learn that the dead body in front of your house was a neighbor's father who was stabbed the night before. My little brother Peter got involved in drugs and he became addicted to drugs and he had to step out of school and he joined this gang and as a result of that he lost his life. Because in the slum, your expectation is usually like this high. You see people losing hope very early, people's dreams being crushed, people's lives coming to an end. God has a good plan for me. Even though I see all of these things happening, God has a good plan for me. And even if I am taking, you know, I'm experimenting in drugs, which I did when I was very young, it is always a constant reminder that this is not the way to go. You have a better way. It is sort of like a place of desperation, and your only hope is God. Thank you, God, that I know you, that every moment when I wake up and there is so much uncertainty, I can trust you to take care of.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

Ik hoop dat jullie dat niet hebben gehoord, weet je wat grappig is? We zeggen altijd: vandaag hebben we een speciale aflevering. Maar vandaag is het echt een speciale aflevering.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

Nu is het geen gezeven, mensen. We gaan echt een Switch maken. Je gaat het niet zien aankomen.

SPEAKER_00 1:45

Ik weet niet of jullie het nog herinneren. Maar in de eerste aflevering hebben we dus gezegd dat we een aflevering zouden opnemen met een internationale gast. Klopt, inderdaad. Dat is niet vandaag. Nee, dat is niet waar. Dat is wel vandaag. Nee, vandaag hebben we eigenlijk een gast bij ons uit Kenia. En we gaan hem dadelijk even voorstellen. Mensen blijf echt luisteren, want vandaag gaan jullie zo'n bijzonder verhaal horen over een jongen die is opgegroeid in armoede, die heel veel heeft meegemaakt. En gewoon door één beslissing die iemand heeft gemaakt om een stap te zetten om die persoon te helpen, om iemand te sponsoren, is die zijn volledige leven veranderd. Mensen weten ook dat ik een tijdje geleden met Compassion naar Ethiopië ben geweest. En dat is ook waarom Silus hier is vandaag. Omdat we eigenlijk ook een soort van samenwerking hebben met Compassion. We gaan binnenkort ook naar Ethiopië volgend jaar, waartoe en ik gaan samen.

SPEAKER_02 2:42

En nog een deel van het Cup of Greece team.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

Inderdaad, dus het is heel spannend. Maar vandaag gaan we het vooral hebben met Siles over zijn verhaal. Hij is van Kenia. En ik ben enorm benieuwd. We gaan het ook even melden. We gaan onze aflevering vandaag ook in het Engels doen, want zelf vanzelfsprekend zal Silas ook geen Nederlands spreken met ons vandaag. Maar als er mensen zijn die graag de aflevering willen begrijpen, zou ik zeggen, ga zeker naar YouTube. En we gaan daar ook proberen om dat volledig te ondertitelen, zodat jullie ook kunnen meevolgen. Maar in elk geval, geniet van de aflevering. En laat jullie vooral inspireren en aanraken door het verhaal van Silas. Welkom, Silas, to this episode of Cup of Grace. Thank you.

SPEAKER_05 3:24

It's so great to be here and to meet all of you. So wonderful for me to be visiting the Netherlands. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00 3:30

Well, we have been we have met last Wednesday. So we went to Leuven with a couple of people from Compassion, and I saw you for the first time. I think you're a really nice guy.

SPEAKER_05 3:41

So yeah. Oh, I appreciate that, man. Thank you so much. It was just nice for me to meet in that in Belgium. It was my first time to actually be in Belgium and just sitting there having a cup of coffee and chatting. Also, I think you're a great guy, very charismatic, and I think it's really good to have a conversation with you.

SPEAKER_00 3:59

Thank you. Thank you. How did you like the coffee in Belgium?

SPEAKER_05 4:02

I was great. I I want to say it's better than uh the Netherlands, but I don't want to be in trouble. I don't want to be in trouble with the people.

SPEAKER_00 4:09

You can just say there's only one Dutch guy here. It's true though.

SPEAKER_04 4:15

It's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 4:15

No, but we went to Ethiopia a couple of months ago, and the coffee there was crazy.

SPEAKER_05 4:20

You have been to Ethiopia, right? I have been to Ethiopia many times, actually. It's one of my favorite African countries to visit. Oh, and and for obviously the coffee, the people, the culture, the tradition, the food. Maybe the food is a bit different here. But but particularly the coffee is uh well, it could make you stay up at night for a long time too because it's very strong.

SPEAKER_02 4:39

But uh I heard.

SPEAKER_00 4:40

Oh, trust me, even the food kept me up for a whole night.

SPEAKER_05 4:44

That will keep you in the toilet chair much longer than it would if you've never used to.

SPEAKER_02 4:49

I'm actually so scared because I love coffee. I I really need my coffee in the morning. Um, it's not an addiction, I just need it. Um that's an addiction. No, I'm kidding. But uh he said, like it's it's very strong.

SPEAKER_05 5:05

It is strong. Uh, if you get the small, they call the macchiato, it's sort of like uh this size, or maybe smaller. Yeah. Uh but but it's delicious and it's very different uh flavors. Um and you should try some mountain coffee also. Uh uh someone they call Yirgachev, which is quite popular. And uh uh I don't want to speak of uh Ethiopian coffee because Ethiopians know better than I do, but it's actually really, really good.

SPEAKER_00 5:27

Yeah, well, I'm really curious.

SPEAKER_05 5:29

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:30

Well, man, uh I'm I'm actually looking forward to someday go to Kenya.

SPEAKER_05 5:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:34

I said it right, right? Kenya. Kenya. Okay, that's it. No, I'm really looking forward to it because you were talking about climbing the Kilimanjaro. You did it, right?

SPEAKER_05 5:42

How was that? Oh man, it was probably one of the best experiences I've ever had. Um, and it was during the COVID season. So I love being outdoors, but this was something I had never really thought of doing. But then it's COVID, there's really nothing much to do, and then all of a sudden I was like, oh, I want to do this thing that can really push my mind to achieve. And I I did it, and actually I climbed Kilimanjaro, the peak of it on the New Year's Day. So it was like a happy new year present for me. Um, and and such a wonderful um thing for my mind, for my soul, and just the experience of just seeing the beauty that is on Mount Kilimanjaro, as well as God's beauty um that is created around the world. So I have really good experience, and I would encourage anyone who has that kind of uh an ambition that they probably should try it. How high is it? 20,000 feet. It's 19,997. I hope I'm getting that right. I'm probably missing it by a few feet, but yeah, about 20,000 feet.

SPEAKER_00 6:41

That's crazy. Well, when you were talking about you were actually you inspired me to do the same maybe one day. But yeah, I'm I'm like a uh when I when I see something and I I want to try it. I'm like this this goal-driven person, and I wanna I want to try it. Just for example, I I did these crazy challenges in the past. But one of those things like the Kilimanjaro would be awesome to do. Maybe we can do it together sometime, Latoya with the whole team.

SPEAKER_05 7:09

And the and the beauty of doing like the Kilimanjaro is that you can get a very an array of experiences. You can do the climbing Kilimanjaro, the tallest, actually, it's the uh tallest freestanding mountain in the world. Meaning there's there's not no other mountains around it. It's just like this flat surface and then 20,000 feet. And there's also can do great safari around the Serengeti. You can see the wild beast migration if you want to. You can meet the wonderful people of Tanzania. There's a Masay around the the the Kilimanjaro area, so there's a lot that you can experience. So if if if for another or no other reason, you know the fact that you're gonna have a unique experience when you go there. Oh, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

Yeah, well, man, looking forward to it. Before we dive into what we're gonna talk about, I just maybe the listeners they want to know maybe a little bit of about who you are. Can you tell us a little bit about yourself?

SPEAKER_05 8:00

Yeah. Um, my name is Silas Irungu, and I come from Nairobi, Kenya. And I was born and raised in Nairobi, which is the capital of uh Kenya. Um and Kenya is in the East Africa part of um obviously Africa, uh, you know, bordering Ethiopia and Somalia, Tanzania, Uganda. Um, it's a country of about 60,000 people now. So um that's my little bit of my background. And how many 60,000 people? Yeah, we're just about 60,000 people. 60. 60 million. Oh wow. I was thinking, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:33

Yeah, 60 million people because Belgium already has like 11. So 11 million.

SPEAKER_05 8:37

Oh, sorry, yeah, yeah, it's about 60 million people now.

SPEAKER_00 8:40

Yeah, yeah, that's a lot.

SPEAKER_05 8:41

It's a lot of people, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:42

Wow. What do you like best about your country?

SPEAKER_05 8:46

Oh, there's a lot that I love about my country. One, Kenya is an amazing country of full of wonderful people, uh, very hospitable people. Um, I think also Kenya is a, I feel like it's a very friendly country for anybody who wants to visit. We also have a lot of uh different things to experience and enjoy. Wonderful nature. We've got uh great safaris, um, very different cultures, 45 different communities and tribes that all have a very unique uh culture about themselves. Uh I also love the fact that um um, you know, Kenyans uh we're known for our athletics as well, you know? Uh oh yeah, the fact that we are a very resilient people, uh very curious people, and I also think very smart people as well. So uh I that's probably what I love a little bit about my country. Also, we've got Mount Kenya as well, which is the second tallest mountain in Africa after Kilimanjaro. Uh, but it's really the people that actually make Kenya really special. Wow, that's crazy. You look like a smart guy though. I hope I am.

SPEAKER_00 9:48

Sometimes I say very dumb things, but we all do, man. Trust me. That's why we need Jesus here. It makes us smarter. Well, man, like um if I understand it right, like a lot of countries in Africa, for example, for example, Ethiopia, there's also a lot of poverty in Kenya.

SPEAKER_05 10:06

Unfortunately, uh, I guess that is one of the biggest uh challenges of most of our African countries. And Kenya is no exception. Uh the fact that uh we have a really young population, um uh the most vast majority of our population is somewhere between 23 years and younger, and you can imagine a young population that has very high energy, have a very high ambition, but then we do not have enough opportunities to take care of the uh of the people. So um almost half of our population lives below the poverty line, and that means that uh you have a huge population that is not catered for, and uh that is one of the biggest challenges that as a country, and even for our governments, have to deal with dealing with young people, high energy, smart, but do not have the opportunities to be able to make a living for themselves. So um partly why um I'm actually here to speak about some of that.

SPEAKER_00 11:01

Yeah, well, we are really curious about it. Maybe we would just let you start to tell your story because um I remember uh Harriet, it's also a contact person uh that you and and I both know. She sent me a video of you and she was like, maybe you should uh watch his video so you know a little bit about his about his story before you actually get to meet him. And I was like, no, I don't want to know the story because when we when we're on the podcast, I want to let myself be surprised by the story. I want to be inspired in the moment. And and that would be it would be a shame like if I would listen to your story right now and I would already know it. So man, I would say take your time and and tell us your story because I think a lot of listeners listening right now, I think they're also really curious.

SPEAKER_05 11:49

So sure. Um again, born in Nairobi um in a big slum called Matare, in most of our urban cities, you have this big uh poor settlements uh within the city that house thousands, if not tens of thousands, of people. And I was born in one of those called Matare, it's a really big slum in Nairobi. And um uh of course, living in this one room uh with my parents, my dad, my mom, my myself from the firstborn of uh three, my brother and my sister, and at some point my grandmother joined us as well as my auntie. So you can imagine a 10-foot by 10-foot room, which is not very big. Probably you could spread out your hands and maybe reach the walls on both sides. And it was made of uh of uh wood and clay um and uh rusted iron shit that when it rained like it's doing today, the water would get into our house. But obviously, when you're a child, you do not think it is anything weird because everybody around you has the same experience. But it is when growing up and starting to understand what my environment was like that it became apparent to me that oh, this is probably not the best place for a child to live in. I will give you a little bit of an experience of what it was like for me to live in Matare. So you'd imagine as a young boy, uh, you're living in this really congested slum, you've got friends, you're making friends, you're running down the street, you're you're uh exploring the environment, and then at night you sleep, and then you wake up the following morning and you find a dead body in front of your house, and then you learn that the dead body in front of your house was a neighbor's father who was stabbed the night before. Or even when you're waiting at home and you hear a woman screaming in the middle of the night, you learn the following morning that a woman had been raped and he was dumped in the ditch. Um, and obviously having a mum and a dad who are unemployed and would go out looking for work, if they hadn't come back in the evening, as kids, you're worried that something may have happened to them. And this slowly became a reality that was so true for me and true of other people around my community. And I started seeing death, desperation, pain at a very young age. I started losing friends that I knew, neighbors through alcoholism, drugs, violence was very rampant, or even just normal diseases, or coming back home, finding that our house had been locked, and it hadn't been locked because my mom and my dad could not afford what is now equivalent to about two euro to pay the monthly rent. And my parents had to uh talk to the landlord and plead with the landlord to let us get into the house. And of course, when starting to lose friends and family at a young age was, I think, one of the most difficult experiences for me. Um, and part of my story involves a really painful period when I lost somebody who was very, very special to me. Um, and this is someone who, you know, had great ambition, had great hope for the future, like every child growing up in the slum, uh, and at a very young age losing my brother through violence. So he joined a gang, he was part of a local gang. And you cannot blame him because it was what all of us uh sometimes aspired to be, because living in the slum meant that you do not have many opportunities, and the people who seem to do better in the slum were people who are in a gang. They seem to have a better lifestyle, they seem to have a bit of notoriety or respect in the community, and they also offered a little bit of protection. Uh so if you're involved in that kind of a gang, you're like, oh, you know, you are as a young man, that is something sort of like it gives you a little bit of edge. Um, and unfortunately, my little brother Peter got involved in drugs and he became addicted to drugs, and he had to step out of school, and he joined this gang, and as a result of that, he lost his life. And not only him, but also many of my other friends that I grew up with. And even when I tell I share this part, is it is becomes still one of the hardest experiences for me because I never thought, even though I had seen so much happening in my community, that I would come so close to our house. And obviously, seeing my dad and my mom standing there looking at the death of their young son, uh just looking at their eyes and their faces and tears in their eyes was so difficult for me. So that was a little bit of an experience of me just growing up in an urban slum in Nairobi, and in truth, the reality of so many of other children like myself who grew up there.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

How old were you at that time?

SPEAKER_05 16:45

I was barely a teenager, just in my teenage and uh going into high school and early university, and so but my brother was still very young teenager. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:55

Wow. And and you also like when you were a teenager then, were you already a part of the compassion project?

SPEAKER_05 17:02

Yes. So I tell my story in a way that um um the reason as to why I'm here, and I'm actually in this podcast, and I'm actually sharing a little bit of this story, has a lot to do with an intervention that took place in my life when I was about nine or ten years old. Um I tell this story in a very interesting way because it's so vivid to me because when I was uh that age, I was just playing in the slalom and with other kids, and this gentleman and lady came to our home and they said, Hey, there is this church that is so close to our home. Would you ask your parents to bring you over so that you can be part of this thing? We didn't even understand what it was. I didn't even know what it was. And which child doesn't want to be where other children are? So we walked out to this church and found uh hundreds of other kids there, about 300 of them. And uh we got our numbers written at the back of our hands, KE3200045, which later I came to learn was my compassion number. So I was sponsored by compassion through this local church, Lango Kuboa Child Development Center. And I had a sponsor through compassion, Mr. and Mrs. William Jackson from the US. And it is through that that I was able to access an education. My mama tells me that she always cried and dreamt when she saw kids going to school and I couldn't. Or her children couldn't. And for the first time, having a bag, putting in my books and running off to school was one of her best days of her life, seeing her son being able to go to school. And um, it was through this project that I really experienced a different perspective to life. One of the things that compassion did for me more than anything was to raise my expectation. Because in the slum, your expectation is usually like this high. You see people losing hope very early, people's dreams being crushed, people's lives coming to an end. And maybe in the compassion program was sort of a um like a windows, um, roof being opened and saying you can actually achieve more than this. Teaching me the word of God. One of my favorite verses is Jeremiah 29, 11 that I share all the time. For I know the plans that I have for you, says the Lord. Plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. And even being in that project that has the walls around it to protect us from what was happening outside, you hear those words and you go back home in the same environment, in the same slum, in the same poverty, in the same pain, but just having these words ring in my heart that God has a good plan for me. Even though I see all of these things happening, God has a good plan for me. And even if I am taking, you know, I'm experimenting in drugs, which I did when I was very young, it is always a constant reminder that this is not the way to go. You have a better way. And growing up, learning that God cares for me and He has a good plan for me, and going to school and being able to finish my primary school, going to high school, and being able to finish high school, which was not common for a lot of young people who became fathers at a very early age, and mothers at the age of 14 and 15. And for the first time going to the university, which was and for me was I was the first person in my immediate family to go to the university and graduate, and that was such a life-changing moment for me because it was something to do with a child who did not have any hope being able to accomplish something that was unimaginable, not just for me, but also for my family. So that sponsorship was a turning point for my life. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

Do you still hear your sponsor?

SPEAKER_05 21:03

Do you still have contact with your sponsor? Unfortunately not, but I want to reconnect with them. Um, it's been many years since I left. Um, but one of the desires that I have for my heart is to be able to meet them in person and to tell them um um the dreams they had for me, which were so well elaborated in the letters that we used to write to each other. So they would write me letters on a regular basis. I would get a letter for my birthday, I would get a letter for Christmas, I would get a letter about how they were doing, and they would share their life as well as I would share my life. They understood my pain when I lost my brother, and they would pray with me. And I have a stack of some of those letters. And just for me to be able to meet them in person and say, Thank you so much for believing in a child who you never met, you didn't even know. Um, you you actually could have decided not to sponsor, but they did out of their means and that. Involvement in my life is a difference that you see today. Somebody, if I met people right now, unless I told them I was born and raised poor, that I went through poverty in a slum, they would not believe. And they would not believe because of the transformation that has taken place in my life. So I would love to be able to meet them one day and tell them thank you very much.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

Wow. For you. Yeah, maybe also for people listening, the the maybe a lot of people that already speak English, the slums that it means uh slopaveka. Yeah. So it's it's actually the most the the places uh in that area where the most poor, the poorest people live, right? Wow. It's crazy. It's crazy to hear stories like this because also like like when you said before, um, when I see you right now, I wouldn't believe that you came from poverty, that you had been through that stuff. So like just looking at you, I can see the grace of God just shining from you. It's really beautiful to see. And I saw the same the same thing with uh Kemi, for example. Kemi is one of the guys from Ethiopia. His story is crazy. Like it's it's one of the most beautiful stories that I heard. Like somebody that came from such poverty and then become like a big beacon of light for his country, for people that are actually being open-minded to come to Christ. It's it's really beautiful to see. Maybe can you tell us a little bit also about um what what what it means to have a sponsor? What is sponsorship?

SPEAKER_05 23:42

Yeah. Um, and you know, you mentioned Kemi, and I know Kemi, so such a wonderful inspiration for a man. Um I think having a sponsor is it's beyond just saying you have a sponsor and somebody you write letters to. It is, let me put it this way: it is a relationship. Um, and it's a relationship that goes beyond just hello. I sponsor a child in Kenya and we write letters and I send some money to help them. It is an opportunity to change a life. Wow. That is how I look at sponsorship. Because for me, it was an opportunity to change my life. And it was an opportunity to change not just my life, but the life of my family. Because it is through sponsorship that I accessed education, it is through sponsorship that I got to know more about Jesus and grow in Jesus. It was through sponsorship that I was able to be in a position to even hold a job and get a job and take care of my family. It was through sponsorship that because I was able to get a job and take care of myself, that I'm able to take care of my family. The part of the story that I haven't told is that uh I was able to take my young sister to school. And I was able, she was able to go to university and graduate. And I remember during my graduation day, she came up and she said, uh, hey, I would love also for me to wear this gown you're wearing. And I said, Oh, I pray that God one day does provide that opportunity. But you see, she wasn't part of the compassion program, was she? My parents could not afford to take my sister to this institution of higher learning. Uh, but because I was able to secure a job and and work and save some money, I was able to pay school fees for my sister who graduated also from university. And now, if you met her, and you would not believe that she is the same young girl that was running around the slum. Um, again, through sponsorship, changing my own life, being able to change the life of my sister, I was able to help my parents to secure their own piece of land and a house, and they do not have to live in the slum anymore, or afraid of a landlord coming to lock our house because they do not have rent. It is because of this sponsorship that my parents, who are now in their 60s, don't have to worry about not having a pension, that their lives have totally transformed as a result of one person who um God used people who have never met, I do not know them in that way in person, but I have such high regard for them that through that intervention, um, my life and my life of my um wider family has been totally transformed. That is what I look at sponsorship as.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

That's crazy. Well, I I need to confess, like, where before I went to Ethiopia, I had a sponsored child. I sponsored a child for almost three years. And for me, it was just normal. Like, like it was just making sure that that money every month just went to the sponsor, uh, to the sponsorship. Uh, and I knew that I had a sponsored child, but I never I've never realized how much impact sponsorship has on a child. And I mean, like writing letters, having a relationship, it it was never that deep for me. Yeah, it was when I went to Ethiopia and I saw I saw how important it was for these children. Like it's crazy that that these children they they keep the letters of their sponsors and they put it on the wall and they actually wait for the the the letter from the sponsor to arrive so that they can actually read these encouraging words. For example, Kemi, in his story, he told that his his sponsor Amy, yeah, she told him at one point in a letter, like Cammy, I'm I'm really proud of you. Yeah. And and what that did to him, like it really transformed the way he he looked at himself. It made him keep going forward in the in the midst of all these circumstances. And I was like, wow, yeah, it has such an impact on a child just to read these simple words. Like for us, it's just writing down look, I'm really proud of you. But for for these children, the the way that they receive it, it's much more important to them than we realize. And that's what I learned in Ethiopia. So I came back to to Belgium, and the first thing that I did is I wrote a letter to my sponsor kid, uh, to my sponsored child, and I told him, Look, uh, I've been through these these things, and I'm I'm really sorry that I haven't been writing you for this long. So I really want to apologize. And then then I just I wrote him a whole letter, and now I'm actually looking forward to receive a letter so I can like write him back and to actually build a relationship with him because I want to make I want to be able to make an impact on on his life, but not not just me. Like let let just Jesus work through me and let his life be transformed because he has a sponsor. It's it's so beautiful, and I think we we all need to realize how important it is uh to make a difference in that way.

SPEAKER_05 29:02

Yeah, you you say that and it just I reflect back on my own experience. So uh if you have been to a compassion program, so you would you would every Saturday when you go when the letters would all come, uh the project director in this case was Joseph, a really good man who I really treasure, who was our social worker, would you line up and be like, hey, we've got letters have arrived. So you're actually anticipating that, and your name is called Silas, you've got these letters, so and so, and it's in an envelope. And you carry the envelope home with you, and you open the envelope with your parents, and you don't know what is in that letter. So, in one instance, it would be a letter with a few words, you know, and wishing you happy birthday. This is what we did last week, and they went maybe to the park and they have a nice picture of them and the family. Oh, we got a new baby, and they would share a picture of the baby. And while I was there, obviously my father is helping me translate this letter to, you know, and you can see that it's like, oh, your sponsor got a baby now, and you know, it's Laura, and there is Mark, and there is Steven. Oh, look now. Laura is taller now, and she is going to, and just sort of having this relationship with somebody you have never met, but also feeling like you are part of their family. And let me tell you what is interesting to this day. I am grown now. I don't live with my parents. I live on my own. My parents live two hours away from me. Do you know how often my parents ask me, how is your sponsor? They because in their head they still think maybe probably they're still uh relationship with it, but they still have such a uh thankful um, I'd say, experience that they always remember them and they say, if you ever meet them, please thank them for me. Uh, because they feel like they are people who helped take care of their child. Uh and that was me. And to this day, the fact that I graduated, they're like, oh, I just can't tell you how grateful we are to Mr. and Mrs. Jackson that they were part of your life. So these letters, I have my letters in my father's village in a box, and my father stores them and is locked them in a metal box because of how special, how special they were for us reading and being able to be part of our family and sharing the experience with us and us with them. So I attest to that because of my own experience.

SPEAKER_03 31:24

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SPEAKER_00 31:27

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SPEAKER_03 31:56

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SPEAKER_00 32:02

Je kunt u aanmelden via de link in ons bio op Instagram of via revivalworship.eventbrite.be. Mensen, het gaat een fantastisch evenement worden. Je wilt het echt niet missen. Dus kom er zeker bij. What an impact it makes, right?

SPEAKER_05 32:17

Absolutely. It's a huge impact for me. And now I have sponsor a child and I try to write to this boy as much as I can and share my experience because I know how that means or would mean to them and their family. He's young, so maybe he doesn't understand it yet. But maybe one day he can look back and go, like, oh yeah, you know, I had a have a sponsor who cares for me and who uh would love to see my life also become um a success for them and their families. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 32:46

And did those letters um change your journey in faith uh at some point?

SPEAKER_00 32:53

Yeah, that was also one of the questions that I was thinking about too.

SPEAKER_05 32:57

Yeah. It will this is how I the letters, this is what I I in from my experience I saw the letters do for me. One, understanding, coming to the realization that it is somebody who's far away from me who cares for me. And let me explain how that is so important. Children in the Islam are generally left on their own. You live in a place where you're like thousands of children, and and and and you're often not seen. You're often one of many. And to have somebody who calls you, writes you by name, and tells you that I pray for you, that I want to read this Bible verse, and this is what it's meant to me, it is so special from uh a point of loving yourself and seeing yourself as worthy, um, somebody who is worthy for somebody else who to care for. And as you grow in your journey of faith, being able to share what God means to you. And I remember obviously when I was much older, growing from a boy who just draws an elephant and a giraffe and colour a giraffe and write two words to writing whole paragraphs of my own experience and asking, can I have an extra page? Because I want to share a little bit more. And sharing also my journey of faith became such an impactful experience for me because I saw God showing himself up in form of other people who are my sponsors. That if God says that he's gonna take care of the forsaken and his own, he was using my sponsor in some way to do that. And it is sort of like God's revealing himself like I do care and love you enough to send people that you don't know to be part of your part of your life, part of your experience. That is how I experienced sponsorship for me. Um and also believing that God is God is using other people for my sake.

SPEAKER_00 35:03

Do you remember the moment that you decided to follow Jesus?

SPEAKER_05 35:09

Yes, I when I remember I remember that moment very well. Obviously, I was a Christian because my grandmother is a Christian, my father is a Christian, my dad, my mama is a Christian. Um, but you know, when you grow up in a Christian home, there's that idea of like, oh, you're Christian because you grew up in a Christian home. But you have to make a conscious decision to say that I want to follow Jesus. And I remember it was at this compassion project. We were having a children's um uh like a revival thing with kids and the project. And all of us was in this church, and um, I remember I was standing on top of a of a table, and we were singing and praising God, and uh, the children's pastor or teacher was like, anybody wants to receive Jesus as their savior. And oh, yes, I was one of the kids who raised their hands and I went up to the front and we prayed and accepted Jesus and I understood what that means to be a Christian is uh to follow Jesus. Not because I am born in a Christian home and not because I have a Christian named Silas, and not because I go to church every Sunday, but to have a relationship with God and walk with him every single way. So um I yeah, I still remember that day, you know, raising my hand, standing on top of a table to accept Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 36:28

That's crazy. And how long, how old were you at that moment?

SPEAKER_05 36:31

I must have been 14. 14. You were still a teenager, but a small boy, so it must have been like 13 or 14. Wow, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 36:38

And um, because you said you grew up Christian. Yeah. Right. How how did you yeah, I I think it's it's it's kind of hard when you when you live in a slum and you're Christian, did you ever like ask God, like, why am I here? Or or how did you deal with that?

SPEAKER_05 36:58

Oh, that's a great question. Um, because the thing is, when you live in a slum and you live with the same kind of people who experience the same kind of a problem, it is you think it's normal usually. You think, all right, everybody's like this, and why should I complain?

SPEAKER_02 37:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 37:16

However, when you have things that you need that you cannot access, your mind goes into a place of God, please do this for us. Um, it is sort of like a place of desperation, and your only hope is God because you have seen that there is nobody around me who's gonna help me, and if God does not come to my help, I'm probably not gonna be able to make it. Um, but we are raised, especially in a culture, to have a heart of gratitude, regardless of the difficulties you see around you. Yes, you can feel the pain, but it is more gratitude because you see the pain everywhere. You look around, everyone is going through the same experience as you, if not worse, because there are often children in the slum. At least I was thankful that I have my parents. So it's more comparative, like who's got more pain than the other? That I actually see things to be thankful for. So I was it was more a heart of gratitude. Like, please, God, thank you for today. Thank you for keeping me alive. But also, I pray that you're able to get us out of this situation. So um, for me, Christianity and faith was more to help me navigate the hopelessness and the pain around me. More than like, God, why am I in this position? It's more like, thank you, God, that I know you, that every moment when I wake up and there is so much uncertainty, I can trust you to take care of me. It is more than a position. Because I knew that without God my life would easily, easily end very and it was so obvious because I saw that every day. So it was a place of gratitude and and hope that I could navigate the difficulties of my life as a young boy.

SPEAKER_00 39:43

Um you were talking about gratitude right now. Um I think that's for us to live a a life full of blessing, I think gratitude is one of the most important things. And what I saw, for example, when I went to Ethiopia, despite the fact that the people they didn't have much and material and stuff, they they were really grateful for the things that they did have. And there was a lot of joy and peace in the midst of these circumstances, especially with children, because they don't really realize the situation that they're in. But even in the parents, like I could see joy and gratitude for small things. And like for me, that's I realized when I was there they had a kind of wealth that we don't have. Of course, we have like here, we have a lot of material, we live in in good houses, we all have a job, and we all have this, we all have clothes, we we don't we don't miss anything, we don't like anything when it comes to material. But I see so many people complaining about little stuff, like things that they complain about things that in countries where there's poverty, they are really grateful for those things. And it it taught me to be more grateful for the little things that we have. Because we we we we tend to look at at the things, all the things that are going wrong, but like the Bible is really clear, like Paul he says so many times like like be grateful and and rejoice in the midst of everything, like even when things go bad, just focus on God, be grateful. There is always a way to see the good in things, yeah. And that was a really, really big lesson for me. When I came back to Belgium, it was hard to to go back to my life. It didn't take long, of course, but because we are we are people and we tend to forget quick. But like hear you talking about it, man, it it it gives me chills, it warms my heart. Um and and yeah, it's yeah, it's crazy, man. I I I remember when I was there, I teared up a couple of times because it made me realize how good that I have it.

SPEAKER_05 42:32

And you know, it's a bit of a paradox because um, you know, a part like it's a um it's sort of like the opposite of what you should expect. If somebody is in pain and going through a lot of hardship, that sometimes it's very hard for your, it's easy for your heart to go like, why am I like this? But it is so strange to me how it was more like thank God for the things that you already have. Yeah. That you there is always something to thank God for, even if you are going through a difficult moment, which is a little bit difficult to explain that. But I it was you wake up in the morning, you have a cup, uh you don't have food to eat, but you have a cup of uh black tea. You know, tea is a big thing in Kenya, black tea, and maybe some leftover food from last night, and you say grace, and you say, Thank you, God, for today, and thank you for what you've given us today. Amen. And learning to be grateful for the little of the little things for me was such having that posture in my heart helped me to navigate that kind of a situation. Even there's that scripture that says that in all things, give thanks was such a hallmark vast for me growing up that it doesn't matter. Even though it's difficult, yes, and you will feel the pain and you will feel the disappointment and you will feel the anger and you will feel all those things. But if you look around enough, there is always something to give, uh thank uh to thank God for uh because even God does shows up uh show up in the small things, yeah, definitely, man.

SPEAKER_00 44:19

Yeah. Wow. I had I had a question about also about sponsorship, because um probably there will be people listening right now thinking about maybe sponsoring a child. Is there something that you want to tell them that is important to know?

SPEAKER_05 44:37

Yes, I would encourage them to think about it and to give it a deep thought because if I happen to use my example and many and I can tell you stories of many other people like myself who, because of sponsorship, have changed not only their themselves, their immediate family, but their entire communities. And maybe somebody sitting here thinking, Oh, what can I do as a service to God? Maybe I don't have this talent or this gift or I don't have this much. Think of it as God using you to change your community because that one child can be one of the biggest things that can happen in that society through that one child. For me, sponsorship changed my life, it changed my family, it changed my community, including some of my extended family. And God has given me that gift and helped me to acknowledge the gift He's given me the confidence, the the um expectation like above what I could ever have imagined because of going through this sponsorship. I would encourage them to deeply consider it and they have the opportunity to take it up and grab it because that could mean the end of someone's life or a future filled with so much hope and purpose. Um I think it's an incredible opportunity.

SPEAKER_00 46:08

It is an incredible opportunity for sure, and I and I really believe that it is God's will also for us people to to make a change by doing something for this world, for the people around us, because like God gave gave us so much that like I believe that we are blessed to be a blessing, like like um in Genesis 12. We are blessed to be a blessing. So everything God gives us, it's not to keep it for ourselves, but to share it with the world. And that's why that's what it means to love your neighbors and to love God by by by taking a step and make a change. Like true faith, like in in James, true faith is not just believing that there is a God, because like I mean, even the demons believe that there is a God, but true faith means that you take a step, that you take action, that you like genuine faith is sharing everything that you have, yeah, taking care of the of the orphans and the widows. That's what it means. And I really believe that when you do that and you be obedient in that, that God will bless you so much. Because, like, why would you keep everything for yourself? That's not what it's about. Yeah, like God made us to take care of each other, to be like the whole world should be one community of people taking care of each other and making the right decisions. And that's also why I believe that that, for example, sponsoring a child, you can make such a difference. For example, with Kemi, I remember he telling me that like because of one person that sponsored him for a small amount of money every single month. Like the person that he became, there were so many people coming to to to Christ through him. Yes, because one people one person decided to sponsor him. Absolutely, and and that's that's the impact that you can make just by making this decision. Yes. So I would I would encourage everyone listening right now that just think about it and and at least pray for it and let God guide you through the decision that you will make. But I I promise you, a decision like this, it will change the people that you do this for, but it will also change your own life because you will be so blessed, like in in so many ways. That's what I experience.

SPEAKER_05 48:31

And you mentioned something that is so important towards the end there that sometimes we still look at sponsorship as it is me giving X amount of dollars to this child. But there is so much you receive in return in terms of a relationship with um with this child and family. But also, there is so much you can get from just that experience and and um just their culture and the people and their hope and being part of their dreams and and and and and their faith in God, that it is not just a one-way relationship, that it can be both ways, that you also receive so much in richness um in return. And how how great is that to be part of someone's life-changing experience and and and and being part of that journey? I think it's it's a beautiful opportunity that I would encourage people to take it one if they have an opportunity to do that.

SPEAKER_00 49:25

Oh, definitely, definitely for sure. There's there's also one uh one thing that I wanted to ask you. You know about Muscaton, right? Absolutely. Oh yeah. Um so can you tell us a little bit about it? Yes.

SPEAKER_05 49:38

Compassion, as well as Muscatlon, does organize these huge uh events for um, I don't know whether it's also potential sponsors or sponsors for who also want to visit the country offices where the compassion sponsors children, and uh it's an opportunity to challenge themselves, um, to be part of uh uh experience or cultural exchange in the area where they visit, uh, to visit the children that they sponsor, uh, to do uh uh maybe a 60 kilometer run if they have the ability to go to cycle or walk, but at least be part of uh this cultural exchange and uh with the with the children and families in the areas where compassion sponsors um children. So um I know Muscatlon has a few events coming up in the in the next year. I know there's one that's coming up in Ethiopia and another one in Kenya sometime next year. And I would encourage people to sign up and be part of that challenge. Um, my experience when I have hosted Muscatlon athletes um or participants is that it's always a life-changing opportunity. You get to be with the people, you get to experience the people for who they are and be part of a challenge together, run together, walk together, pray together, eat together, uh, worship together. Oh yeah. Um, and be part of this world, huge world fellowship that it doesn't matter if you're the Netherlands or which country you're coming from, but also being part of this um experience where we are one in Christ, but also doing something worthwhile for the community and society. And so I would encourage people who are thinking and they're like, oh, I don't know if I can do that. Please be part of it. And uh, you will come back with a story that is going to be change your life. Um, so I've I would encourage them to be part of the musketlon and and and sign up.

SPEAKER_00 51:31

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's also what Latoria and I are gonna do.

SPEAKER_05 51:34

What are you planning to do? What do you think?

SPEAKER_00 51:37

What do you what are you guys planning to do? Uh we're gonna do the musketlon in Ethiopia in uh 2027. Yes. Are you ready for it? Latoria? No, no, that's it.

SPEAKER_02 51:46

So yeah, I'm so scared because I hate running. Yeah, I really hate it with a passion.

SPEAKER_05 51:52

Yes, but you can walk.

SPEAKER_02 51:53

So yeah, yeah, sure. I uh yeah, um someone who's going to be a guest on a podcast too, he uh did the walk together with his wife, and he said, like, you think about walking, but it's really hard because it's very long. Yeah. Um so yeah, and Gregory Gregory, he asked me to uh to do the running with him. So I'm I'm yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:20

Yeah, but the thing is you decided not based on what you are able to do. Yeah, to you base you you you decided based on like I remember you telling me, like, I'm I I hate running, yeah, but I love these children so much that I want to do that for them. Yeah, and I think that's the right way to to to look at it. Um so yeah, like I decided to do half a marathon in uh in 2027 in Ethiopia. Yeah. Um so I I would really wanna wanna like encourage people. Like you don't have to be a runner, you don't have to be a cyclist, you don't have to be you don't have to be able to do all of those things. Yeah I mean you still have time to train for it. Yeah and I mean if God inspires you to do this, just listen to this. Like don't don't ignore the voice of God because I really believe that God is able to to transform you in the process. Like, I mean, this is good for for these children, that's the most important thing. And and in obedience to God also. But like you said, I believe that it's gonna transform your heart, it's gonna transform your mind, your your body, absolutely, everything, like everything is gonna change about you in the whole process. I really believe that. And and the the community that you're gonna create around you. Like I I was told that when you do, for example, it's not just a regular half a marathon or a marathon that you run. You go there and these children they run along with you. And like it is just it's not just one day. You go there for I think it's nine days. Yeah, it's nine days that you could that you go there, and like just it's only one day of just doing the thing, right? Yeah, but the other the other days you go to to these compassion projects, you're gonna go look how how how compassion works there. You're gonna help these children, you're gonna make connections, and and it it's more than just going there to do to to run or to cycle, just it's it's a whole experience. But the most important thing is don't just do it for yourself to to have an adventure, it's just part of it. But do it because like God puts this on your heart, and if He touches you right now, I would really I would really say pray about it and just consider it. And like if you want to be part of this, you can always um yeah, contact us through social media, like via via Instagram. Um like if you're if you're a new listener, you can just always find us on uh cup of grace, cup of grace and an underscore. And you can always send us an email um on cup of grace info at cufgrace.be. Yes. That was it, yes. So uh and you trust me, pray about it, think about it, and just text us because we're gonna do this together, you're not all alone by it.

SPEAKER_02 55:10

If you can if you think you can do it, um I'm I'm going to do it too. So I can do it.

SPEAKER_00 55:19

She can do it, you can do it. Yeah, uh, but yeah, and and there they're there are different options, of course. We're going to Ethiopia in 2027, but there's also an opportunity to go to Kenya. Um, and there's also gonna be a musketlon there. Yeah. So you can you can go to the website of uh muscatlon.nl, right? Okay, yes. You can go to musketlon.nl and you can see all the musketlons that that are gonna be happening. But if our focus is in 2027, it's gonna be in Kenya and in Ethiopia. So if you want to join, not even if you want to, just just even if you don't want to, just come along. It's gonna be awesome.

SPEAKER_02 55:56

Just join. Just join.

SPEAKER_00 55:58

Yeah, man. So yeah, that's what I wanted to tell uh and say about the muscaton. Just be part of it, it's gonna be an awesome experience. Um, before we leave, I just wanted to ask you a really, really important question. Um, Silas, who is Jesus to you?

SPEAKER_05 56:18

Um you want us to leave? No, man, we have time. Uh yeah, I will I would I would say Jesus is my friend. Um, I think that would wrap up my relationship with him. And I say he's my friend because I have always taken my cares and my thoughts and my dreams and my hopes and my frustrations to him. And because of that, I have grown in very close relationship and proximity with him because he has as a friend showed up in more ways than I could ever have imagined. That to as a child looking at him as Jesus God who is very far away, as I have grown older, he has become closer and closer and closer to where now I know I could talk to him about anything and everything. Um and he has been such an integral part of my life that I don't know if I could be where I am today without him. It is one of the best things that ever happened to my life to know God, to experience Jesus and to have a relationship with him. That is how I would, in many, in few and many words, say about who Jesus is to me.

SPEAKER_00 57:51

And even when you say this, I I can see Jesus through you, man. It's beautiful. Amen. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_05 57:58

I hope so and I pray so. Always my dream and my prayer that I always have um that close relationship with Jesus because he has done so much for me that I I we have a song in Kenya, he has done so much for me that I cannot tell it all. I don't know if it's a it's a it's a common song here, but uh it is that relationship it is because of him and that relationship I have with him that I am here today to share this with you, otherwise it will be a totally different story and maybe a very sad story for that matter, if it wasn't for him.

SPEAKER_00 58:41

Thank you for sharing, man.

unknown 58:43

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 58:43

I have another important question. Absolutely could you teach us to say Jesus loves you to end the podcast?

SPEAKER_00 58:53

In Swahili, right? Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 58:55

So Jesus loves you. Is Yesu is Jesus? Anakupenda. Wow. Yesu? Anakupenda Anakupenda. Yes. So penda is love. Yeah. So anakupenda loves you. So it's like yesu anakupenda.

SPEAKER_02 59:10

Yesu anakupenda.

SPEAKER_00 59:11

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 59:13

And if you want to say Jesus loves me, yesu ananipenda.

SPEAKER_00 59:16

Yesu ananipenda.

SPEAKER_05 59:18

Yes. Okay. Yesu ananipenda and yesu anakupenda. Okay. He loves me and he loves you. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 59:25

Cool.

SPEAKER_05 59:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:26

Wow. Thanks, man. Um, it's a tradition in our podcast that we always ask our like guest to do a little prayer. Yes. It doesn't really matter for the the listener, listeners if they understand it or not, but could you pray for us in Swahili?

SPEAKER_05 59:41

Absolutely. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 59:42

Um I mean the Holy Spirit is right here, so like that's the most important thing, right?

SPEAKER_05 59:47

I am happy to do that.

SPEAKER_00 59:48

Okay, thanks, man.

SPEAKER_05 59:50

Asante munguka sababu, yeah kutu let upamoja, hapa Netherlands, na Rafkizangu, na nawambea, kilamtu, hapa netherlands, u kaweze kuabariki, wanautu skizawote, umbao wanataka kugana na sisi katika ku say dia wa toto dunyanzima. Na wana wpanga kwenda katika muskatlon, na makukwas sponsor wa compassion, umba kwambu kaze kuwa pomoja nao na ili mungui podcastikaweze kubarikiwa, katika jina, la Jesu Christo. Amen. Amen. Thanks, man. It was a real honor to have you here. And it was my I'm so blessed uh to be here um and to have a conversation with you. I don't usually uh I'm usually behind the camera as a storyteller, but um to be here and to have a conversation with you with such a lovely, lovely people uh is an honor. And I thank you so much for having me.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:46

Oh, thank you, man. Thank you. Thank you. All right, lieve luister, we zijn op het einde van onze aflevering gekomen, dus even terug naar het Nederlands. Het was echt fantastisch om deze aflevering te doen. Dankjewel. Echt sprakeloos. Ja, echt waar. Ook gewoon heel fijn dat jullie er terug bij waren. En als er iemand is die gekent die dit verhaal echt kan gebruiken. Stuur het door. En ja, ik zou zeggen, ik weet niet wanneer we de volgende keer wie onze volgende gast gaan.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:17

Oh ja, maar we hebben er echt heel veel. We hebben heel veel speciale gasten op het schema staan die er gaan aankomen. Dus blijf zeker luisteren.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:29

Blijf bij ons. En zoek andere mensen om ook te komen naar ons. Nee, dankjewel allemaal. Het was een zegen om dit terug voor jullie te mogen doen. En het was een eer om God door ons heen te laten werken, ook opnieuw bij deze aflevering. Dus ik zou zeggen, nog een gezegende dag, gezegenavond, gezegend weekend, wat het ook mag zijn, en we zien jullie de volgende keer. Doei. Doei. Lieve luisteraars, dank jullie wel om te luisteren naar deze aflevering. Zoals jullie hebben gemerkt, is het een heel bijzondere aflevering geweest. Het is een aflevering geweest die echt diep van binnen ons hart raakt. En als er mensen zijn die het op hun hart hebben gekregen door deze aflevering om een stap te zetten of om in beweging te komen, zijn er verschillende manieren om dat te doen. Dus onder de video op Spotify of op YouTube kunnen jullie een link terugvinden. En als je op die link klikt, dan kunnen jullie eigenlijk steunen op drie verschillende manieren. Je kunt ofwel een kind sponsoren, je kunt meegaan doen aan de Muscatlon in Ethiopië, of je kan naar ons concert komen in september, hier bij ons in de kerk in Hasselt op 12 september. Dus dat zijn eigenlijk de drie verschillende soorten manieren. Als jullie op de link klikken, gaan jullie ook drie opties zien. Als jullie de beslissing maken om een kind te gaan sponsoren, dan kunnen jullie gewoon op de link klikken. Dan komen jullie op de website van Compassion en dan kunnen jullie kiezen voor het land. Dan is het heel belangrijk dat jullie ook kiezen voor Ethiopië. Dus als jullie zelf niet meedoen aan de Muscatlon en je wil wel een kind sponsoren, mag je aanduiden op de website dat jullie daar zijn terechtgekomen via een Muscatleet. En dan mogen jullie daar ook mijn naam, Gregory van Holderbeken, intikken. Dus dan weten die mensen ook dat jullie via mij daar zijn terechtgekomen. Dus ik zou zeggen mensen, laat jullie vooral leiden. Laat jullie leiden door de stem van God. Zijn stem is altijd heel duidelijk. En het is heel belangrijk dat we luisteren naar zijn stem. Want die mensen daar zijn aan het bidden voor oplossingen, voor financiële voorziening. En God geeft die oplossingen op basis van zijn lichaam en wij zijn zijn lichaam. Samen kunnen wij eigenlijk gewoon een stap zetten in de juiste richting. Dus laten jullie vooral leiden en inspireren door deze aflevering om echt de juiste beslissing te maken. Dus klik op de link onder de video of onder de audio op Spotify of op YouTube. En take a step dank jullie wel om te luisteren allemaal.