Dawsons Creek, S1 E9: Rumors and Co-Eds

Jen's NY boyfriend IS STILL IN TOWN and convinces Dawson (and Pacey) to skip school to go to a co-ed bar (during the day, apparently). We're here for the rumors on Episode 9 of Season 1 of Dawson's Creek.

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Dani Combs: 0:00

Music. Hello everyone, and welcome back to our nostalgic and problematic series where we are currently re watching Dawson's Creek, and so far, we are on Episode Nine of season one, and the title of this episode was road trip. And here's your official summary, provided by Amazon Prime. Jen's old boyfriend takes Dawson and Pacey to a nightclub upon finding herself the subject of some nasty rumors. Joey Strikes Back. So here's something about road trip. I mean, I guess they were in a car for some of it, but a lot of it was on a ferry. Yeah. I was like, it's not a really a road trip, but anyway, get going. I have to say, like, I realized, like, as I was taking notes, I was like, I feel like my smiley faces and frowny faces have kind of evolved, yeah, not really to represent nostalgic or problematic. It's just become things I liked and not liked. So I tried saying really hard to like, okay, no, the whole reason we're doing this nostalgic and problematic. But I don't think I succeeded. Yeah? I mean, that's a good that's a good note, because I felt the same way, like there were a couple things that was like, Oh, I didn't like that scene, but there was nothing really problematic. Yeah? So, I mean, just, that's just a little, a little note, yeah, I think it's clear when we find something problematic, great, we say, Why, yeah, but I know what you mean. Mine have evolved a little bit too. It's like, Oh, I like it. Oh, I don't like it, you know. So this has become nostalgic or problematic and shit we like and not like, Yeah? And opinions about writing a show, yeah? So I don't know if this would be your first time listening with episode nine, but we do have a scoring system, and mine are hearts if I really like something, x's, if a, I don't like it or B, it's problematic. And I actually added one this time, stars, ooh, which are just general observations. I had a few. I had a few that were like, Oh, this and this. And it wasn't, you will, you'll see. It wasn't like, bad or good. It was just like, I'm gonna call this out. So I was like, Well, what's that gonna be? So it's just, it's like, a highlight, a little star, interesting. And then I almost called you Joey. And then Joey, my friend over here, that was weird. Danny has smiley faces and frowny faces. Yeah, that's what I was talking about when I said they have evolved. Yes, yep, smiles and fro, yeah. So my first heart thing that I really liked was it was towards the beginning, if not right. At the beginning was the Truly, Madly, Deeply, yeah, Savage Garden, which I had to look up the name of it for the life of me, I couldn't think of the name of it, so Danny helped me look it up. They played it at the beginning and then again at the end part of it. And I was trying to remember which came first, Dawson's Creek playing that song, and then it was a hit. Or was it a hit and they put it on the show? I don't know. I think it was a hit first. Okay, yeah. I think it came out before then. Yeah. But that was fun. That made me happy. What about you? I put a smiley face, not because this was joyful, but just because I so remember feeling this way with Dawson and his first breakup and his you know, you feel like the world's over, and nobody gets it, especially like in that very first scene where he's like, moping in his room. Yeah, get over it. You only know her for three months. And yeah, I know, and it's like, I remember that, yeah, so much. I had a heart there too. And I wrote down, like, how she's trying to rationalize it, right? Like you said, yeah, you've only known her three months, but like she says, you've only known her three months. How can everything remind you of her, but I put relatable, yeah, because you a, you feel like it's the end of the world. And B, it's like, it's like, now, if we're talking to our kids like Joey's kind of the parent in this situation where we're saying to them, you're gonna be okay, you're gonna find other love, you're gonna whatever. And to us, we know that that might be true, right? But to them, it's like, end of the world. Yeah, I always tell like, especially with my youngest, who's, you know, middle school age, I'm like, I know you feel like this is a big deal right now, and I know you always make sure I say that. I know you think this is big. I know you feel like I'm not saying that that doesn't feel like that. I'm just right you. It won't be one day exactly. I mean, I can think of even, like, recent things that have really bothered me and already, like, how much better I feel, oh yeah. And like how things feel so big, so big. And it is a little easier as an adult or with experience and wisdom to be like, hey, remember that thing that really, like upset me? Well, that faded. And of course, there's things that don't, there's grief and dust and stuff like that, but generally speaking, yeah, you're gonna feel better. Yeah. And there's nothing more annoying when you're in the midst of feeling whatever you're feeling, someone telling you, oh, it's gonna be fine. You know, it'll be. Like, just get over it, like you're gonna be fine. Yeah, that's nothing more annoying. And that might be true, but that's not like, what you mean in that moment. I totally agree. Another like, heart I had was Jen's bedroom, the decor I wrote that, did you do? What you did? Well, I just said the music and clothes, the poster on Jen's wall a filter. I said it's just always so nostalgic everything. And I loved how, like, you could see what was her grandmother's esthetic and what was her so it was like this, like ballerina picture next to the filter posture. And then there's, like the old fashioned furniture. But then, like, you know, like a trendy top hanging over it, or whatever. I just thought that was kind of fun. I know how that was framed, you know, especially because I know, like in my own bedroom, like it really didn't reflect my parents style. But in Jen's case, she's kind of living in someone else's house, yeah. And so I just thought they did a good, good job showing up. And then I was so annoyed that Billy was still around. I was just like, come on, one episode was enough, but I did. I didn't love when he crawled through the window, just in general. But then when Jen's talking to him, I liked when she was so firm. And she was like, no, never again. He's like, Oh, used to be fun. And she was like, No, I was weak and vulnerable. No, I'm not. And I just thought, like that was written pretty well, that she didn't waver, she didn't feel bad. Then he was like, Oh, you used to be blah blah. She was like, you like, wrong. You're wrong. I'm this person, and I get to be this person. I thought that was written really well. I liked that. Yeah,

Unknown: 6:34

I did too, and I will play when I was talking about the clothes, like Jen, you know, with her,

Dani Combs: 6:41

like, have you seen my green top? Blah, blah, blah. Then I was like, Why does Dawson always look so dweeby? I just don't know movies because I'm just not. I just, you just run because, you know, I wasn't long after Dawson's Creek came out that varsity blues came out okay, and he looked totally different, even I was okay with James Van Der Beek and varsity. Yeah, yeah. It was a difference between being kind of like, what's the word? Like, complicated and brooding was his style, and just like being hot jock or whatever's like me. I guess that was the difference, but I know what you mean. I really, I literally laughed out loud when, first of all, some of these names, this Warren guy, like, Are these just people they knew, and they're just, like, putting a show, because some of these names, I'm like, what? But Warren pulls up and he's like, do you want to ride? And Joey says, No, I'm waiting for Ted Bundy. I know I died laughing. I was like, That is such a good line. I know I thought that was good. I have some x's in there too, but if you do the good stuff first, well, okay, so we're talking about him at first. When Jen has the whole idea for the payback for Joey, when he starts the rumor, right? At first, I was like, yes, pay him back. Start this rumor. And I was excited, because awful Abby is back. I liked Abby, he did, but I was the first. I was like, yes, yeah, pay him back, because fight a rumor with a rumor. But then I was like, then I then I felt kind of weird about it, because then I was like, Okay, it's trivializing the very big issue of teen pregnancy, yes, right? Yes. And also it's almost like, I don't know, I just felt weird about it, like, yeah. First I was like, yeah, getting back. But then I was like, Ooh, but that just doesn't feel right. But that feels kind of, yeah, it's like, when, and I've only recently, recently, meaning, like, the last maybe five or six years, really realized this when, you know, people will play April Fool's jokes where they say they're pregnant. And, like I was, have seen different social media accounts that are like, like, you said trivial, trivializing something, and also something people can't do, right, and kind of making it a joke, right? And, I mean, I realize this a little bit of a different situation, because she's just trying to make him look bad, and, but that's a way to do it. But just something about lying about pregnancy and all of that, just it feels really it's not, all right, not I don't know, you know? Yeah, I totally agree. I don't have any more smiles. Okay, let me go through mine real quick. Mine are mostly lines, so I like twin. Pacey hears that Dawson's gonna, like, skip school or whatever, and he goes. Finally, Dawson's evil twin is here, and then he's like, and also, I'm coming with you. And also, yay, let's do it. I loved that. But Casey had that little vulnerable moment where he thought for a second maybe they were going to a brothel, I'll say, instead of the word they used, and he didn't want to, yeah, I loved that. Like, we're not really, he's like, that's not really what was happening, right? So we've. Before about how sometimes, like, where they had the Wilt Chamberlain reference. And I was like, how old were they when they wrote this? Another one, the happy days. Reference, happy days. He's like a Richie Cunningham, and you're the Fonz. And I was like, nobody knows who that that was, the likes most modern reference y'all could come up with for that scene. And I put a heart just because I thought it was funny. I did like the scene on the staircase at the school where Joey's all upset, and Jen comes and sits with her, and they come up with the plan. Again, the plan not the best plan, but I just thought that that was, like, they're kind of great. Another line when Dawson says something, and he says something about youthful indiscretions and Pacey is like, what are we running for Senate? Like, what are these words you're saying right now? Yeah, and then the American Graffiti reference. Have you ever seen that movie? I remember watching that movie. So it would have been around this time in a high school Film History class. Oh, nice. So it was, like, already considered a classic, which he refers to it as a classic. I don't know what it was. I want to say 70s, 60s or 70s, and Dawson's a film, but so it wouldn't have been like a contemporary reference anyway. But I like that. I put Dawson's corduroy jacket

Unknown: 11:13

stop. I loved it Katie, but he's underneath the car. That is pretty, pretty good. I like it. I like it.

Dani Combs: 11:26

A quick glimpse of a dare sign behind Warren. When, you know, when Warren opens his locker and there's like, the baby and the bottle and the shoes behind him is this giant dare poster. I just caught my eye, and I was like, Oh yeah, those were everywhere. The part, I love, the part where Joey said to Jen, I'm sorry. I'm backward. Jen said to Joey, now there's no excuses for you and Dawson, like I was the reason you weren't together, but now we broke up, right? So now, like, now what? Because you don't have this thing standing in your way. And I love the scene at the bus stop with Pacey and Dawson, and then it starts raining. I know it was so corny, like opening up their hearts, and here comes the rain, and they've been on this adventure, but I was just like, Oh, that's so sweet. Oh, and then the line, when Joey says to Jen, they're on like, I guess, Jen's porch, which, first of all, she's sitting there, like, reading by like, what is this? Like? What's happening? Do that now we either she had like, 10 candles and a blanket and a book on her porch. Yeah. No, I was like, that looks nice, but what? But? And Joey's line is, you know, picturing Dawson, so male has made me nauseous all day. I was just like, what online, like when they're, like, thinking of him at the broth, yeah, whatever. And they were eating cookie dough ice cream, which was a very 90s that was fun when she just pulled it out of the thing, and they just had their ice creams. Yeah, that was good. So my two just observations before we get to the x's Okay. Observation one, My star, my first star of the season. It was like an aha moment that when Dawson is, like, trying to show those, like, bad guys on the ferry, and I put Dawson is willing to do something bad, if it's a Robin Hood mentality, yeah, if it's like, for a point, yeah, you have very deep thoughts with this episode. Yeah? I was like, Oh, okay. I mean, I guess he was also willing to, like, skip school and, like, go see women, which doesn't really have a Robin Hood 15 mentality. But I was like, okay, he's willing to, like, risk, yeah, getting in trouble or personal safety, if he feels like it's for a bigger cause, and then toward the end of the episode, I think it's Warren says something to Joey, and he says something about this morning. And in my head, I'm like, this is still the same day. Like, yeah, I guess it is. But gee, like, where are they ever in class? Like, yeah, there are all these other places. There's, like, a college fair, they've gone on a ferry. It's been raining. They've been on a porch with a book and candle lighting. Sit on the stairs during school, and there's nobody around. Like, I think that's what threw me off, because that felt like evening, yeah, but then there's still, like, all this stuff that happens after that, and then he's back in the school to say something about this morning. So those are my observations, but also I got hearts and observations. So Franny face, first of all, I cannot get over. Firstly, how old Billy is? Yeah, like, WTI fasting. Like, what are you doing? Also, the girl Dawson talks to in the bar, which Katie texted me about this morning. She's like, 35 she's not a college student, like, and I guess they don't specifically say that she is. She's a film student. Oh, I missed that. I remember them saying they were going somewhere with CO EDS, but then I didn't hear her say, oh, yeah, coeds. Coed not. It's just like, they're so old, like, it's not believable at all. Yeah, yeah. It was, I mean, and she's beautiful, but it was like, Yeah, are we? And even her voice, like, I was just like, how? What? But she had the little beads in her hair, which was like, supposed to be, I don't know. Well, I put a big X by I said everything Warren says in the jeep, oh, God, it's so bad, mostly, why does Joey have to defend Dawson's masculinity? Why does she feel like she has to be like, Oh, this about his sex life, and that about his sex life. And I get it like she was in like, a weird position. He was being a total jerk. But I was just like, it's again, it felt like I'm in a middle aged man fantasy that, like some cute girl from your school would have done that for you. Would have defended that part of you. And I just was like, this whole scene is scary. First of all, she's in the Jeep of this creep. Everything he's saying is gross, but then she's not really mitigating it very well now, because she's just kind of going along with what he's saying and defending it, instead of just sort of being like, you're dumb. Yeah, I don't think she ever would have gotten the car with them to begin with. Like, yeah, yeah. I don't think so either. Well, she she would have waited for Ted Bundy. Okay, okay, I'm sticking out that I

Unknown: 16:09

thought some poor plot writing came in. First of all, they're cutting school in the morning

Dani Combs: 16:17

to go to a bar. Yes, okay. Like, that was another reason. The whole day, I was so confused. So like, how happening is it gonna be in the middle of the day, which, but then they get there and it's night, I'm like, it didn't take them six hours to get there, right? It was so weird. And why the F would Dawson even want to go hang out with his recent ex girlfriend, ex boyfriend, right? What he he would not be like, Yo, okay, let's go to a bar together or somewhere. Yeah, weird. It was poor, poor plot writing, in my opinion, so bad. I was like, relieved when Pacey went. I had that moment where I was like, Oh, good. He's taking a friend, even though it was like, would have never happened, and also, like, it's a show, I mean, I was like, Yes, always go with a friend. It was so weird. Like, that's why, I think partly the episode, you're like, it's still going on, yeah, because they go on this ferry, they get to the bar, it's night time, but then you're still going back and seeing things that happen at the school is just, I don't know, yeah, the whole timeline of the episode was so weird. And then the only other thing I had, like, my last night, I didn't have a lot of notes this time, yeah, the whole like, let's go to a bar and hook up to get over a girl. I know I don't like, yeah. And also, again, poor writing, but it's TV. Like, how could they are actually having actual conversations in the bar, right? What college bar, or any bar Have you been to, for that matter, where you can actually hear people that you're sitting next to exactly without screaming? Right? Again, it's

Unknown: 17:51

TV, but you're right. It's but I'm like, that's not a cut. That's not what college bars are like everyone. PS, coeds,

Dani Combs: 17:58

bars, coeds. All the CO EDS. Why have a few more exes? I have a lot of thoughts about this episode. I really didn't, I didn't really. So I put, I hate Warren Gary. Oh yeah, I hate him. I'll try to name. And also, yeah, we're supposed to. But like that part where, like, it's just, like a rumor based on nothing. Like, I don't know how deep I want to go into this. Don't worry. Been to therapy, folks. But, like, I switched schools from my freshman and my sophomore year, and there was a rumor as to why I did that, and I remember I was, like, a very, like, kind, innocent kind of person, and hearing this rumor about myself really upset me, you know, hurt and made me feel like, Oh, is that what people really think? Of course, you know, it faded. I ended up having a boyfriend that year who was great and, like, friends and stuff. But like, that kind of triggered that name, which I think it's supposed to, because everyone, if it hasn't happened to them, they've heard it from someone else. So anyway, that kind of was triggering a little bit. Oh, and what you already said about the woman, I said, is the first woman Dawson approached, supposed to be in college. Oh, and this, this drove me nuts. Okay, so the woman who's supposedly in college when they leave and she says, Well, why don't you just come sleep on my couch? So they think we, like, did whatever, but like, it's cool, you can just sleep on my couch. And he's like, No, it's not right. She's like, well, you've restored my face. Men. And I was like, wow, that's a really well, that was the other thing. I'm like, Wait, so these are adults, right, correct? And he's still 15, still 15. Yeah, I didn't like that. I didn't like the way that they I mean, as much as I hated Warren, the way that then the end thing ended up being like, he was impotent, or whatever. Yeah, I didn't like that. I did. I was like, That's not nice either, either. And maybe it was. We were made to believe it was a true. Thing, not a rumor, but that's still a personal, intimate thing, right? You know, it's like, like, we say like, you know, if someone sends you like, we mostly give women a hard time for it, but meant you don't send naked pictures, because they might share it with people if you break up, whatever. And that's wrong, yeah? Well, like intimate moments that you share like that. And there could be also, like, just being a grown woman and knowing about these there's all sorts of reasons that can happen every time, especially if you're a developing young person. Yeah, that doesn't mean they're gonna be that way forever, right? Or maybe there's some underlying thing they need to take care of, correct? Doesn't matter. It's their business. And I just didn't like that. Like, in the end, it was like, and again, the writers, like, that's the thing they go for. I know it's like, sexuality always the fact that now we can, like, laugh at him because of a sexual reason, right? Or a sexual like, shortcoming, or whatever, like, I don't know, I just, I just was like, Oh yeah, that's really gross. I didn't like it either. I didn't like that at all. But those were all my exes. Any other like, general thoughts about this one, I feel like I didn't love this episode. It wasn't the best. I didn't love it. I did have a lot of thoughts, but I didn't feel like, yeah, the continuity of time kind of threw me off when I really thought about the fact that, like, Dawson was thinking about going home with a woman who could have, who knows how old she was, but could have been, even on their timeline, eight years older than him. Yeah, you know, eight or nine years older than him. Like, I just, I didn't like that. And then even when, like, Billy just climbed, Billy was still there, but I thought He had left, and it was just, it was not my favorite, like whoever was at the helm for this one. It was almost like sloppily trying to, I don't know, knit some things together, and I really also hope, and I know it's coming. But like that, Joey finds someone. Because, like now we've had the rich guy who was there for one episode she had a great time with, realized she was lying. We don't ever we don't never hear from again. Then we've got this, like, gross guy spreading rumors. Then we've got Dawson, who now has broken up with Jen but doesn't seem to be interested in Joey. And I'm just like, Good grief, I know like, could someone like this girl for who she is, who's an awesome young woman, like anybody I know, like out there, I don't know. Maybe we'll find them. We will. But, I mean, things are again, like I said, there's not that many episodes left in the season. How many are there? 12 or 13? Yeah, I think so. Oh, wow. Oh, I'm excited. Yeah, I'm excited to see what I think. I think not to skip ahead, but I think season two was one of was when I really started loving the show, okay, when I was a young, younger person, because there's some other characters that join in, Jack and Andy moved to Cape side. That's right, that would be good. And it's just more, you know, and they get older, so there's more things that pop up, but, but as we know, no spoilers, it's from 1998 but, yeah, you know, dot and Joey eventually gets together, and I did not like it when they were together, yeah, I feel like that's season two. So that's season two. Well, part of it, yeah, yeah. I don't quite remember it. I remember them getting back together like they're gonna get together, so it doesn't happen, but it wasn't my favorite. Yeah, okay, fair enough. Well, all right, thanks for listening as we watch, rewatch Dawson's Creek season one, and maybe you're watching it too. Maybe you're just listening. We have a lot of people like that. I know it's just crazy, which you know. Thanks for liking what we think, yeah, at least wanting to hear it, or being entertained by it, being entertained being entertained by it. If you ever do turn on an episode, if you haven't yet, you're gonna be like, yeah, these people are old. If we take one thing away from what Danny and Katie are saying, or you'll be like, Carlos and say hot cop gate. Also that any of those. I didn't notice homophobia in this one, other than the inherent like, impotence is kind of related to that somehow, like, you don't like girls, right? It was like a little bit of that undertone, not overtone, yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a little bit of that. But there I didn't notice, although, you know, you get numb to these things. I didn't notice, like, any outright, yeah, someone said something about how someone how you Oh, that was another one. It was an undertone. Warren says to Joey about the rumor or whatever when she confronts him in the cafeteria, but he didn't elaborate. So I'm not sure if it's what he meant. But he said you could use this for your reputation. Oh, yeah. And I didn't know if he meant that people thought she was gay, right or or whatever, what, but like, or just not, like, gasp, a virgin, right there. Yeah, either one. Like, obviously, right? He was being a jerk. But, like, I was like, oh. I wonder what they meant by that, but then, like you didn't really elaborate, yeah, so anyway, all right, well, we'll see you back in it for our regular episode and for Episode 10. It's time. All right. Well, thanks, everybody. I'll see you next time. Bye. You