Dawson's Creek S3, E1 & E2: Andie's Homecoming and Hot New Characters

We're back, listeners, with another season of the Xennial teen-angst classic, Dawson's Creek, Season 3. In the first two episodes of the season, Andie returns, Eve arrives and Capeside is all types of topsy-turvy as the Junior year of the cast kicks off. 

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Welcome to Season 3

Speaker 1 0:01

Hello everyone , welcome back to our Nostalgic or Problematic series where we are re-watching now season three of Dawson's Creek . We made it through the first two seasons , we are back with season three , and a whole bunch of crazy stuff happens in season three . Yeah , so we'll start with episode one . It's called Like a Virgin and the summary is as such After a summer away , dawson returns to face a decision about . Joey Jen uses cheerleading tryouts to teach someone a lesson .

Speaker 1 0:33

Ooh , so , first of all , this seems to be the Dawson's Creek way , and I think a lot of shows used to do this and maybe still do that . It ends in like the springtime , literally when you watch it , and then it starts again in the fall . Well , that's how TV seasons went , because they would do reruns in the summer , right , yeah , so they actually follow that trajectory where we don't see what happens in the summer . It is just now , three months later or whatever , and so we kind of learn what everyone's been up to in retrospect , right , yes , but then , but see , season one did not end like that , remember , that's right , it was the very next day . It was the very next day . Also , this is the only time they've done it so far . Yeah , so far . And then they have to be like . They always have to throw in like weird sentences like , well , you know , all summer long Dawson Joey's been blah , blah , blah , blah , like , just so you know what's going on . Yeah , I know , I noticed that .

Speaker 1 1:27

Okay , so Brittany Daniels , brittany Daniels , the new hot girl . And I mean I say hot because she says to Dawson , I run hot , I run a few degrees hot , the over sexuality of her , it's a lot , it's so like at first . It's it's like okay , cool , she's like a confident , sexual , older lady to dawson . Not to dawson , I don't mean like in real life , she's in her 20s , but it was . It's like so much , yeah , it was so much . And so he meets her on the bus on the way home from philadelphia because he's been at this what like film camp , school fellowship situation . And so he wakes up and she's next to him and she's telling him that he's drooling in his sleep . And then she touches his hand or something . And then he's like do you have a fever ? Or something ? And she's like I run a few degrees hot and I was like what's going on with this girl ? Is that why they put her in little amounts of clothes as possible . I don't know .

Speaker 1 2:32

Her aesthetic , though , was very much like 1999 aesthetic . Oh my God . Troy walked in when I was watching one and he saw her and he was like , oh , you used to wear your makeup like that , see , see , and the like short platinum blonde hair , yeah , and like the little , like the matching crop and skirt Like almost like a pencil skirt , yeah , and like the crop . That was floral , usually with the little spaghetti straps . I never could wear that because I've never had . Like , my stomach's always been a problem area , so I never got to wear that . I don't think I ever did .

Speaker 1 3:04

I have pictures of you in crop top , yeah , yeah , I used to wear some crop . You were tan too . I was so tan and blonde . Look at that . That's what I'm saying Tan , blonde , crop top . I mean , I'm still sort of tan .

Speaker 1 3:17

I don't deliberately try to be more tan . I'm olive . I protect my skin way better now , but I the blonde was definitely a sign I was blonde too , kind of thing , although I was like super blonde like five years ago , yeah , just because I kind of slowly started going back to it and then eventually , like around COVID , I was just like it's so much upkeep , this is so expensive . I have so much hair and then , as it started to grow out naturally , I was like I like the color of my hair actually and it's fun to experiment , as we've said , the hair , but I'm doing natural . I hate my natural hair . Oh , I love it . It's all right , it is what it is , okay .

Speaker 1 3:55

So , brittany Daniels , sweet Valley High , the TV show , her and her twin sister were on yes , yes , and it was funny like I was watching this on Hulu , which , by the way , dawson is expiring from there in like 12 days . He just keeps jumping around , I know , which is even less by the time y'all hear this . Yeah , weird , what are we going to do ? I mean so it was on Amazon Prime and then it skipped over to Hulu , so I guess , wherever it goes , we'll grab it , although you keep paying for it . I've been paying for . I paid for all of season two on Amazon , even though it's free , I guess , see , I will not pay for something extra if I'm already paying for something else that has it . Here's the deal Convenience At 4.30 or 5 in the morning , when I'm usually watching these .

Speaker 1 4:39

I can't remember my dang Hulu password . No one's awake to help me . Can't remember my dang Hulu password . No one's awake to help me and I forget to ask later in the day for the next time and Prime will be like do you want to pick up where you left off ? And I'm like for $1.99, . Yes , I do , take me where I need to go and they do . That's so funny and it's awesome . Well , I don't do anything at 4.30 in the morning . Maybe it'll go back to prime , it might . That'd be great , that'd be . Maybe it's going to disney plus . That's where everything goes , true , although they own hulu . So , yeah , wrong , wrong , all right . Well , anyway ,

Eve: The New Hot Girl

Speaker 1 5:12

moving on . Okay , boo , boo , boo . The fat shaming by the cheerleader . Oh , I hated that . Now I will say I we're recording this .

Speaker 1 5:19

On the same day we recorded our porky's episode , which will come out later , later , it will come out later , later , it will come out later . And I was like I cannot wait for our discussion today Because it has so much of the same themes . It really does , I know , which goes to show you teenagers remain the same . But can we talk about that girl's cheer ? Oh , my God , it was the Paula Cole song . The Paula Cole song . I wrote that down somewhere . Wait for this game to be over and she's like doing her little cheer . So were they supposed to bring their own cheer ? Yeah , the audition , that was strange it was . It was like it was like it was like a theater audition . I know your own cheer , yeah , bring your own cheers , but we're skipping ahead because I know , sorry , I did that . I did that , okay .

Speaker 1 6:05

Did you find it weird that , all right , joey's working this other job At the ? Yeah , because their restaurant burned down on this bullshit . And Bessie was like Joey , you have to work two jobs right now until I can find a babysitter . I'm like wait a minute , why can't Bessie be the one working weird hours in the morning and stuff before Joey goes to school ? So Joey could babysit . So Joey is home and then goes to school and then Bessie could go to work .

Speaker 1 6:35

Whatever happened to the boyfriend , I don't know , it's never explained . She's just suddenly a single mom , I don't know . And so I was like wait a minute , why is Joey carrying the weight ? And she's like until I get a babysitter . I'm like , wait , this doesn't add up . I get it Like you need to be there with the baby while Joey's at school , but before and after school , bessie , you could be pumping gas down on that dock . There you go , and then this new guy that she works with , who's such a dick , such a dick , rob , rob , if that rob the yacht guy , boat person , yeah , I don't know .

Speaker 1 7:11

But like , okay , then also pacey and dawson go to strip club . I , I know , episode one , episode one , yeah , to like what ? Just reconnect after the summer because dawson's been gone , it's like well , we should go hang out at the strip club . No , it's because he , well , he brings him there because he like needs some . Pacey tells him he needs something and then he's like this year we're going to get you laid . Yeah , I find that humorous . I also find that funny Because , again , we watched that in Forky'sies .

Speaker 1 7:45

But guys , that is accurate , teenage boyhood , right there , yeah , and girls too , by the way . It's just not as hard for girls and I think it's . I think it's exactly if , well , if you are after a straight boy , it's not that hard if you , if that , let me . Let me clarify that . Well , I think it's later in the episode . Dawson's talking to eve that's britney daniel's name and she asked him if he's a virgin . Or maybe he's talking to pacey and someone asked him and he's like I'm more than a virgin . He's like what's below that ? And I was like , yeah , like what's the level below that ? It was just really funny . It was Eve , because she goes everything before it or whatever . Okay , something like that .

Speaker 1 8:29

Can we please just talk about how a girl , her age , whatever it is , I never say and that smoking hot , yeah , would not be . After Dawson Leary , I could see her maybe hitting on him on the bus , but then to keep showing up at his house Girl , no man and then his school , and then all the things , and then he's at the strip club and she makes it known that she works there . That's like she's chasing him . I don't think there'd be a chase . I think maybe she'd flirt with him on the bus . I'll buy into that . Also , though they don't say how old she is , yeah , but then I was thinking , but obviously she's in her 20s ? I would think so , and I'm like , wait a minute , dawson's still not 18 . So this is still , I know , still creepy ass .

Speaker 1 9:19

Pedophilia , yes , again , from a female predator , correct , correct . What do we do in Dawson's Creek ? And then , when I saw her at the school which is , I guess , the next episode I was like , oh my God , is she a teacher ? Oh shit . And then like we're doing this all over again , no , but then the next episode she lies and we're going to talk about it anyway , so we can intertwine the two . The next episode she lies about who she is and her age , so she can go to school there . It was weird . She's like I'm a senior , okay , psycho , yeah , strange .

Speaker 1 9:53

And the only reason they don't think she's a psycho is because she's hot . Yeah , cause she's good looking . Hello , have y'all seen fatal attraction ? Like hot people can be super psycho . Have you seen American psycho ? Christian Bale is super hot serial killer , come on . Yeah , seriously . And even Pacey , he's like oh , you better not let that one slip away . If , if she comes across your path , don't worry , she's stalking

Joey's New Job Struggles

Speaker 1 10:16

you , don't worry , she's not slipping away to anything , okay , oh , and , and speaking of that , do you see what I wrote here ?

Speaker 1 10:25

Why does shows always make it seem like older women want virgins ? It's weird . No , yeah , no , definitely no . Like , if you're the same age as the person , I don't think it's a big deal , but why would you be older and deliver everyone back ? But if you're a grown-ass lady , like this woman is , I mean , she's not like Miss Jacobs , she's in her 20s , yeah , why would she want some 16-year-old virgin ? Look , we know how that's going to go , guys . Yeah , it's weird . That's weird .

Speaker 1 10:57

That's just that male writing room , yeah , male writer fantasy that the hot , experienced women are going to want me even though I'm a virgin . Like , I do not have time for that . Yeah , I need you to know what you're doing . I know , I mean , you're right . When I was young it didn't matter because I didn't know either . It's an odd , like statement . It is . It's weird .

Speaker 1 11:22

And they keep doing it , especially like okay , and again , we're speaking from a like straight woman , straight man relationship here , because there's a lot of things you got to learn about a woman's body . Oh , yeah , if you are not a woman in a woman's body and you would like to be with one , right , and teenage boys especially , then now at least they have the internet . Yeah , yeah , they can look up a few things , they can do some research , yeah , but like guys , yeah , it bothers me , I know , I know and I just thought the over-sexualization of her too was so much . It was everything , yeah , everything , it was like her whole character just struts around . Does it kind of get explained more as it goes on ? Character just strikes around , does it kind of get explained more as it goes on ? How many more episodes is she in ? I know she stays her . I didn't like her in this season . She's in a few episodes , okay , and I just was like I don't really get her whole . Yeah Well , and one comment I had in my notes just in general is why does everyone look so much older ?

Speaker 1 12:27

I know , like all of them , like Dawson's hair is like a darker shade . I know Joey looks more grown up . I mean I guess it's the point they're getting older . But they all looked like college age or older to me Suddenly Because they were Right , right , but like I was kind of , I know , I was kind of like okay , and I was like wow , they really look a lot older . But to be fair , a lot happens over summer for teenagers . I mean Caden grew one summer between his freshman and sophomore year like six inches , okay , literally . So it happens , it does , it happens fast , yeah , anyway , but they do look a lot older to me . What do you got ? I still have a few more things . Do you have anything ?

Speaker 1 13:05

I said just in general the whole storyline where Jen signs up to try out to be a cheerleader and she said they made her head cheerleader . You could have just said no , she's like . Jack's like oh , did you make the squad ? She's like , even worse , they made me head cheerleader . And then , as they're like cheering and doing this sort of like sardonic , sarcastic cheers right , instead of actual school spirit , jen even then is like , well , this is just what they want to do . And I'm like are you head cheerleader or not ? But it also went against everything she fucking said Exactly . And she's like well , they're making me . And I'm like bitch , what ? Yeah , decide who you are Exactly Like . Yeah , exactly , although you . Yeah , exactly Although you're a teenager . So so it'll be a while before you can figure it all out . You're not going to know . Yeah , and also , I feel like this season they try and maybe this is why they look older . I feel like this season they tried to make the show more edgy .

Speaker 1 14:01

Quote unquote Okay , hence the strip club , eve Dawson getting a blowjob on a boat . What , yeah , well , attempted . I don't know if it didn't actually happen . It's hard to say because they don't ever say like did it crash during , or did it crash Because he was at a pivotal moment ? Yeah , oh , I don't know . Somebody clear that up for us , someone tell us If Dawson got a blowjob on a boat , right , we need to know , someone tell us , because we couldn't tell from the actual show . Oh my God , oh my God , what are we talking about today , guys ? Okay , I'm still laughing about that , I feel . Okay .

Speaker 1 14:45

So then Joey tries to like , throw herself at Dawson , mm-hmm . So Dawson throws a strip club party . So it's a strip club party at his house , which I wondered where his dad was . He said in the beginning of the episode he was going to a coaching convention . Okay , okay . So he was out of town , yeah , because I remember , uh , pacey was like , oh , you got an empty house , that's true , that's true . So he has the strip club at his house because he needs to raise over $3,000 because he crashed his dad's boat into the dock , the blowjob crash , that whole thing . Which is when Joey notices there's a girl with him on the boat , right , so this whole strip club party is going on downstairs . They raise enough money , yay , hooray .

Speaker 1 15:25

So of course Dawson goes up to his room to sit in the quiet , to sulk , like , of course he leaves a strip club party , right , of course Dawson leaves a strip club party In his own house . Yeah , sure , I'm going to go up to my room now , okay , yeah , and then Joey comes through the window and she's all . Did you miss me ? Of course I missed you . You know , it's this whole thing . The lighting is like no lights on in this room , right , right , and they're just kind of .

Speaker 1 15:49

And so then she , yeah , I guess , kind of throws herself in his shoes . She does , she takes her shirt off and then he stops her , which , hello , would not happen with a teenage boy and this girl that you've loved forever takes her clothes off in front of you . Right , I feel like you're and if , well , the physical side , of course , but even the emotional side would take over and you'd be like , wow , it's happening , especially if you're 16 . Yeah , but he's like no , I know , I think things are good the way they are . And then she says again I'm sexual Dawson , what Aw . But I feel bad because she . I felt bad for her because she said you love me , you just don't want me . And I was like ow , and it's true , it is true , at least at this point . Yeah , so that was kind of how that .

Speaker 1 16:38

Oh , well , then Joey , at one part funny part at the end of that episode , joey then goes back home , I guess , and is sitting on her dog , and here comes Pacey in the rowboat . Well , I love that because it's foreshadowing for what's going to happen later in the season . I hope you remember , I do and so he's . But he says to her she goes , what do you want ? Or whatever he goes . It's weird . I got in this rowboat and it just came to your house . It just floated on over from Dawson's . It's funny , it knew where to go or whatever . I thought that was a funny line . And so now they're kind of bonding over this and they decide I guess it's in the next episode because they talk about how Andy is coming back . Yeah , we can start talking about that . We can start talking about it because that's basically all of the first episode . Let me see if I have . I didn't write down the summary anyway , so it's fine , okay . So the second one's called Homecoming . Homecoming , right , not the dance , but we're talking about Andy coming back , basically from her .

Speaker 1 17:35

What Mental health ? Okay , well , this is where I had a problem , because the dad and Jack are talking and the dad's like , oh , she's had , or Jack or some . Maybe it wasn't the dad and Jack but somebody says like , oh , she has had a full recovery and the dad's like well , the doctor says , with mental illness you're never out of the woods . I just didn't like how they talked about it . I didn't like that . You didn't like that . No , because I felt like I don't like it .

Speaker 1 18:02

When they say mental illness to begin with Okay , well , there was a few things there it's also just like I'd rather and I say it sometimes too , because it's like antiquated phrasing that just gets stuck in my head but I always like to say mental health issues because sometimes it's a disorder or it's whatever . It's just a very big category for a lot of little bitty things that could be all over the game , sure . And I just feel like they said , oh , she has had a full recovery and yes , he's right , you don't have a full recovery from like mental health issues that you're probably going to deal with the rest of your life . Sometimes you can have things like , for instance , I had postpartum depression that set in after I gave birth because my hormones shifted so much . Right , that's situational and also physical . But again , I have anxiety that I deal with for the rest of my life . That has nothing to do with that . You see what I'm saying . I do so while you can have a full recovery from , like , a postpartum situation . I will never have a full recovery from anxiety , but I don't like how they're like you're never out of the woods . I just don't , I don't know . It just feels weird for me .

Speaker 1 19:14

I just took it to mean , and I understand what you're saying , I just took it to mean , by the way , it's not curable . Yeah , I just it was the way they spoke about it .

Jen's Cheerleader Sabotage

Speaker 1 19:25

That was just rubbing me wrong . That's fair . That's fair . Do you know what I mean ? Yeah , I don't know . I'm very sensitive when it comes to these kind of things . Yeah , I get it so . Okay , again , I wrote down this girl , eve would not be hot for Dawson . No way it bothered me so much , especially now , like as an adult . Yeah , like yeah , yeah , yeah , I know is , I know she's a psycho and I don't like , as I was watching , I'm like , oh , she's psychotic . I think maybe , yeah , and I don't think that ever set into me as a young person . Yeah , I mean , I was in college when this came out and I was like , okay , whatever , yeah .

Speaker 1 20:01

And then , oh , my God , we are introduced to Henry . Yes , I forgot about Henry and I loved him this whole season . I love Henry so much . I love him . I loved him then , I love him now and I don't know if you ever watched the show , do you know ? Troy walked in and I said you recognize that actor ? And he was like , no , it's like he was in Boardwalk Empire . Oh really , yeah , I never watched that show . Okay . Well , anyway , fun little fact for you guys , we only watched some of it because then it just got to be really violent and I just couldn't handle it anymore . And then there was like this whole incest storyline and I was like I'm done , oh yeah , where he it was , him , his character slept with his mom and it was like it's like we're going too far , like it was good at first and then it just got to be too much . But anyway , fun fact , he was in Boardwalk Empire , got it , got it . What do you have ? Do you have notes ? Oh , let me see , I'm just like reading all my notes . Katie didn't finish this episode . I didn't finish the episode , so I was just kind of watching it this morning as I was getting ready . So I don condoms , oh my god .

Speaker 1 21:07

And then , like all these people like weigh in their opinions , and then there's like the music playing underneath . They're like do , do , do , do , do , do . Like elevator music under the whole scene . It was so funny . And the the cashier's like we don't keep them behind the counter anymore , son . And then the men in the aisle like stocking up . I know that's so creepy . At one point I was like is he dreaming again ? Like is this just a an embarrassing dream ? Right , yeah , because it was . I know that's so creepy . Like well , back in my day they only had two kinds the regular and for those of us that need something more , whatever . And then the lady was like , if you really want to blow her mind , get this whatever , yeah . And then she goes back and gets a box , yeah , which , by the way , those don't work , so you won't blow anybody's mind with those . Don't take that lady's advice . Um , she's a paid actress .

Speaker 1 22:08

I feel like we've talked about ribbed condoms before . I ? I don't know , didn't we ? Because we were like who designed them ? I think so , yeah , that sounds familiar . Why have we been a while back ? I don't know if it's in a movie or if it was in dawson's , I don't know , but I don't remember .

Speaker 1 22:23

You never know what you're gonna hear on these dawson's episodes . I know we talked about it during . Can't hardly wait , wait , oh yeah , because of Kenny . Kenny , that's right , that's why . So listen to that episode . That's over a year old , because we did that for my birthday last year . Yeah , that's great , so , yeah .

Speaker 1 22:39

So the condom scene was really funny and I think what was genius about it is that we all feel like everyone's watching us and nobody is passing an opinion when we're grabbing those kinds of things . But really , like , so that's what was genius about it , cause it's like the worst case scenario that you think might happen when you're trying , when you're that age , and you're trying to buy like condoms or something and and like that . And isn't it funny how , like , you just evolve as a person , cause now I'll just throw in some KY jelly at Walmart with , like my cucumbers and oranges and green , and you're just like ring it up like what ? Yeah , seriously , yeah , although buying KY jelly with cucumbers is probably like , that's a bit far , but I just met with my groceries . Yeah , I think , as long as they bag it separately , it's okay . I think it's all right . That's , that's the hill I'll die on .

Speaker 1 23:34

Um , I don't have many , many away from the produce . Yes , I don't have many foundational beliefs . But that is one . Lube and produce belong in separate bags plastic walmart bags yes , please , all right , um , but yeah , that scene was really funny , it was all right . Another scene Lube and produce belong in separate bags , separate plastic Walmart bags . Yes , please , all right . But yeah , that scene was really funny , it was All right . Yes , another scene Hello , this is when Dawson's dad becomes a football coach .

Speaker 1 23:58

All right , so perfect , let's do it . I thought he was going to ask Dawson to play Girl Dawson , I know , but I'm thinking about Varsity Blues . Yeah , so I'm trying to cross that . We got to add that fall . We need to watch that in the fall . Yeah , oh , that would be a good one . Him as a football coach is perfect , yeah , in my opinion .

Speaker 1 24:16

And of those

The Strip Club Party

Speaker 1 24:17

, the Minutemen , which I love , I do too . There's a school here that's their name too . Really , I want to say it's Coco , and I don't even know what is that . Is that a military term ? Isn't that what the soldiers were called um in like revolutionary war ? Yeah , it sounds right . So something that's probably , I know , something military . I feel like I need to look that up because , okay , look it up , I'm scared to type in , I'm scared to search minute man , am I ? Because , like , my searches are super weird because of this podcast and you never know what's gonna , and it just heard what you were saying about your walmart trip , so who knows what it's gonna pull up . Uh , yeah , american revolution , colonial militia , men known for being ready to fight in a minute's notice . I was right , awesome , correct war and everything . Right , right , war and everything . So , anyway , moving on .

Speaker 1 25:09

So , yes , so he becomes the football coach , but the team is notoriously bad . Yeah , they've lost , like Pacey says something like 38-0 or something like that . They've lost like years and years and years in a row , and it's not a good team . Nobody cares about the football team , et cetera . And then he asks Jack , because Jack just happened to be catching a football , mm-hmm . Well , he didn't ask Jack . Henry saw him . Yes , and because Henry's the running back , or I don't know , I don't know anything about sports he's trying to be the quarterback , the quarterback . And then Jack is the running back . Yeah , okay , see , I don't know sports guys , whatever .

Speaker 1 25:51

So , anyway , jack has to like fight all these stereotypes because he's like the gay football player , but also like how stupid that it was . So like , yeah , hello , gay men can be good athletes . Oh , and are many of them . I mean , that's what I'm saying . I don't mean like it's possible , I mean , yes , they are , they actually are Like . Why is that so like hard to believe ? I know Hello , especially like a young man ? Yes , they are , they actually are like . Why is that so like hard to believe ? I know hello , especially like a young man . So antiquated and stupid , like I know it's dumb , it's so dumb .

Speaker 1 26:16

But so when dawson's dad , when mitch approaches , jack about it and right away jack's like , no , like . Imagine like the scrutiny , imagine the whatever which I kind of get to , oh , no , he doesn't want . You're just trying to be like under the radar and figure your life out and just be who you want to be , but not necessarily get a lot of attention paid to you . Right , I totally get that Right . But I think what Dawson's dad was saying too was like , hey , it doesn't matter , you can be good at this and whoever you are yeah , so that was all true too . Well , and also too , I think , from a safety standpoint , putting yourself as a newly out gay male teenager into an environment that is traditional , toxic , straight masculinity . It's probably pretty scary , of course , yeah , of course . So I understood Jack's hesitation , but I was glad that he decided to join .

Speaker 1 27:11

Okay , I had something else . Oh my God , what ? So Dawson's like packing up his trunk for , like , his surprise sexual rendezvous with this girl ? Right , oh God , I know what you're going to say , and Jen sits there to give him sex advice . Okay , yes , guys , she's 16 . I know Now , granted , we know that she has had multiple partners at this point , but still , you are 16 . Mm-hmm , and she's giving him advice . But when she said this one sentence , I know what you're going to say . Yeah , because I saw this part , I laughed . I laughed for so long .

Speaker 1 27:49

She said her last bit of advice to Dawson because she had all these analogies with ice cream . Yeah , and sundaes , you let the sundae melt a little . Yes , you just bite right in , right , which I mean . Some of her advice wasn't bad . But also whatever she said , if you don't get whipped cream all over your face , you ain't doing it right , I died laughing . It was a lot . You know what ? It reminded me of An American Pie , the friend Natasha , whatever her name is , with the red , curly hair , who talks about like double clicking your mouse and like somehow knows all this stuff about sex , but she's just like a teenage girl , I know , but she's like the sage of all the sexual advice . You reminded me of that . Yeah , and yeah , yeah . And she was saying to dawson like it's a two-way street , and I mean she wasn't necessarily saying anything wrong , no , but it was just like the premise that like she would have all the wisdom . Yeah , it was a lot . I just laughed and I'm like , okay , I mean also not incorrect , but still it made me laugh .

Speaker 1 28:59

And then on the flip side , we have andy and her confession . Yeah , from her stay . So pacey and joey come and kind of come a day early , their day early , which , first of all , that whole thing was weird . When the nurse wouldn't let them back . I know they wouldn't just let her out of like a mental health facility , yeah , with her buddies . Yeah , they wouldn't . It was weird , whatever it was weird . And then , like joey faked having a crisis . The whole thing was strange .

Speaker 1 29:29

But the premise was so that they could sneak back there and see her and get her out early and get her out early , which , when they get to her room , she's in there with this other guy just sitting on the bed talking , but still , and then , like she doesn't . She seems hesitant to go with them . And then she seems sad that she's leaving the guy . And so you already are like , oh , something's changed and her hair's blonde again , she's got cute little bangs , adorable . But , um , so she seems hesitant to leave , and particularly to leave with Pacey . Yeah , so you already kind of know something's up . Yeah , and she eventually tells him because he , they go to the pep rally where Dawson is revealed to about to be having sex with the lady .

Speaker 1 30:11

Yes and um , anyway , like she didn't want to be alone with Pacey . And so finally he's like what that ? What is up ? She tells him she slept with this other guy and I was like whoa , whoa , yeah , oh , whoa , and says it's , you know he was going through the same thing . She was , yeah , they , and like they just had this connection .

Speaker 1 30:31

But what I didn't quite get and this was about not long after that , where I didn't see the rest of the episode was she trying to break it off with Pacey or was she really trying to be like I'm sorry this happened , I still want to be with you , that , that Okay . So she felt guilty and it just broke me up , yeah , and at the end , what she missed at the end was he went and found her at the dock , andy , uh-huh , okay , and she says all that like I'm really sorry , okay , because you saw her there at the school . Yes , we find her later . She tells him what happened ,

Andy's Heartbreaking Confession

Speaker 1 31:12

yeah , and he's just like I will always love you , but I can't forget this , like I mean , it is because she's like I need to forgive me and he's like I will forgive you but I can't forget , yeah , and I just can't be with you . And oh man , especially when he's been waiting , he's been waiting for her to come back .

Speaker 1 31:24

You know what it makes me think of is , you know , my husband was in the military and we knew a lot of people whose spouses cheated on them while they were gone Not me , thank you very much . I did not have the fucking time , nor energy , nor care to do that . Right , right , one , two and three , and I'm not a cheater . Also , morals Well , also , I'm not . Y'all know I've said before I'm like I'm just , I'm a monogamous seal or something . What I said ? I think that's what you said . Was it our seals monogamous ? No , that's not right , that's right . But I think maybe turtles , no , what was it ? I mean penguins are monogamous penguin . Okay , that's it . That's it . I'm just tossing out seal on on our porky section .

Speaker 1 32:05

I had all this florida knowledge today . I know episode , I have all this animal knowledge . Yeah , anyway , I did not . I did not do that . I had small kids , whatever .

Speaker 1 32:14

I'm not that way , but we had a lot of people who did , and I always thought about the service member coming home , oh , yeah , like being in a literal war zone and you come home and you find that out , that's got to wreck like oh , so awful , can you imagine ? No , now here's a question on the flip side . Maybe you don't know the answer . Are service people unfaithful when they're out in the field ? Yeah , like when they're away from home ? Uh , we knew someone who , uh , like , had an affair with another , another officer person . Okay , I was just curious , like , if they're oh yeah , it happens all time it's like illegal , right , isn't it illegal to commit adultery in the military or something ? Oh , I'll tell you later where I'm getting this information . Illegal in the milk , I don't know . I think that's true . I think I mean it's against the . Well , I don't know that it's . I don't think it's enforced , but I think it's against the law . What ? I'll tell you why when we're not on air . I'll tell you why . I think I'll ask him .

Speaker 1 33:15

But you know , like , for instance , pilots can't wear their wedding . You can't wear jewelry when you're flying , so they , you know , troy had like a silicone one he would take off and put in his flight suit . But a lot of people , just like I , don't wear a wedding ring most of the time because it gets in my way , it bothers me and I mean hello , we've been married for 22 years . Like brandt doesn't even have , yeah , who cares ? It doesn't matter , it's a symbol . But a lot of times pilots would leave them off on purpose . Wow , so this is kind of like that . Like it's kind of like that where he's been waiting and anticipating and thinking about their reunion and and then this is the reunion .

Speaker 1 33:53

Oh , that is so heartbreaking , especially for poor Pacey , I know , because he's just always having the rug pulled out from under him and I mean , but like on Andy's side , not to defend her at all , but like , again , teenage girl going through a lot away from home , bonding with someone who's bonding over the same thing as her , I can see how it happened . Yeah , I mean , and that's okay , but you , yeah , if that is happening before something physical happens . You tell your person , yeah , and so what ? They would talk on the phone . Is that what he said ? She could call him and they'd write letters . Okay , because remember , remember the last episode she talked to his dad . That's right , okay , so , so , okay . So she would have had . I guess for a split second I was thinking she wouldn't have had a chance to even tell him , but she would have . But again , they're teenagers and you mess up and you learn and it's , but it's still heartbreaking , it's still , yeah , absolutely like , it's still sad .

Speaker 1 34:47

So , and then at the end , did you see the part where Dawson gave Joey his necklace ? Tell me about this , is it please tell me ? It's a puka shell necklace . It's whatever he wears , he like gives it to her , and I can't remember now what they were talking about , but like I guess , about how they'll just always be connected or I don't know something . And he was , oh , because he's like , do you think every Dawson has a Joey and every Joey has a Dawson ? Aw , because they're like whatever . And he gave her his little necklace and it was cute .

Speaker 1 35:16

But then my last thing I wrote was did we notice how tan Joey and Eve are ? Like they're so tan . Well , that was the aesthetic of Eve that we were talking about . I know Super tan , butey was too , joey was too , but were we supposed to think that because it had been summer , maybe ? Oh yeah , but also tanning beds . That's what I wrote also . I mean totally , this is the height of that's when I was going to the tanning bed in the trailer . This year's , that's when I was at the stand-up tanning bed where they pumped in the cd music . Yes , yes , you had someone , you .

Speaker 1 35:47

We had very different tanning experience now in college . I went the place in college that was near , like right by my apartment . It wasn't a trailer , but it didn't have stand-up ones . It wasn't fancy . I never went to a stand-up one , it was the lay-down ones

Condom Shopping and Football Team

Speaker 1 36:01

when you had to clean it after you got out . The boyfriend I had in college , his aunt , had one at her house . Whoa , yeah , she was serious , she was fancy , she was fancy . It was a nice one too . Can you imagine her entertaining bed at your house ? So weird , but hey , but hey . So , yeah , they were very tan .

Speaker 1 36:21

Just in general , I felt like and maybe it's because we didn't have a break between season two and season three yeah , you would have live . Oh true , so we literally just finished season two and right away now we're watching season three . Yeah , it felt like a totally different show to me . I know , right , I told you they tried to get a little more edgy and I guess that's when you do it . Yeah , that's when you introduce an eve because like it's the third season now , right , so you got to get people talking new and fresh . You got to have people wondering like what's going to happen , and on the season premiere you've got this like new hot blonde , like who's that ? And she's after Dawson , and then the Andy thing with the cheating , and like you have to have that stuff , I guess , to keep people engaged . You can't just Just all of it and just the vibe of it . I was just like this feels different , but then also like your viewers are getting older too , true , more sophisticated . I mean , well , they're teenagers , so they want more . Oh , we didn't talk about , because I wanted to hear what you thought about really quick .

Speaker 1 37:26

So Jack and Andy's dad decides to move to Capeside , oh yeah . And so Andy's coming home and so Grams or someone makes a comment like , oh , I think it's so great you're able to like be here now . But then him and Jack have a moment where he basically tells Jack to stay with Grams and Jen . But his reasoning was interesting , no-transcript . Then I was also like he'd probably be happier with jen and grams , although him and andy are close . So being with andy , the dad's a mess , the dad's a mess , the dad's a mess . But now he's in town , which I assume the mom's back to , I know .

Speaker 1 38:34

I was wondering like , well , what's the ? What's going on with the mom ? She's probably there too , I would guess , unless she's in a facility or something . I don't know . I don't know either , but anyway it changes things , crashing boats . That's why I said I don't want to stop , because I remembered what was coming . No , I'm glad we kept going , because if in a couple months I had watched this kind of like , it would not be the same . It would not be . I've got the juxtaposition of like the end of last season into this and some good stuff happens this season . Oh , I can't wait .

Speaker 1 39:02

And henry is the best . Okay , I , I really have forgotten about henry . Oh , my god , he's the cutest , clumsiest little thing . I loved his persistence , I know , and he's like that and I just I adore him , I adored , I had the biggest crush on him Really . Oh my God , yes , I did . Okay , we'll have to watch him with that one . And he was a legit teen in the yeah , he seems he's supposed to be younger than everyone . I think he was . Oh no , well now , I just was like , was I a weirdo and had a crush on somebody super young ? I mean , I don't think he was like that young . No , no , no , he was probably your age . He just looked young . He was probably 17 , 18 , 19 . I'm not going to look it up Now . I'm like uh-oh , it was probably close to your age . It's like when Twilight came .

Speaker 1 39:45

Did you ever watch those movies ? Oh , yeah , and like . I remember sitting in the theater watching when taylor lautner came on the screen shirtless , uh-huh , and we all were like are we allowed to think he's hot yet ? And we're like okay , he's 19 , all right , yeah , is it okay ? Like , is it okay ? You're like frozen , because I love a bunch of moms . And we're like . We're like are , how are we allowed to feel right now , yeah , oh my gosh , that's so funny . Well , now you got to find , now you got to dig a little on . Well , I mean , I was still a teenager , so it's okay , it's not like now . Yeah , you're good , you're good , awesome .

Speaker 1 40:20

Well , I hope you guys are watching season three with us right now on Hulu by the time you hear this . Probably for five more days , four or five more days , but we'll find out where it's going to be next and , don't worry , we'll keep watching it and I'll just be watching on Amazon Prime , no matter what Katie's , just throwing money Doesn't matter , just watch it on Amazon Prime and that's the easiest way . That's my life hack . Make it easy . All right , don't go searching for passwords at four in the morning . Y'all , you heard it here first . Just pay $1.99 . Okay , please take this advice with you as you go into the world . Place it in your heart . Yes , all right . Well , we'll see you on the next edition of Dawson's Creek , nostalgic or Problematic , and all of our regular episodes . Woo , see you soon . Bye .