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Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Xennial co-hosts Dani and Katie talk about their analog childhoods, digital adulthoods and everything in between. If you love 1980's and 1990's pop culture content, this is the podcast for you!
Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Dawson's Creek, S2 E3 & E4: PSAT and Football Things
In the next two episodes of Season 3 of Dawson's Creek, we look at the strangely powerful PSAT, football's influence on culture of the 90's and today. We also wonder aloud "What happened to the phrase 'Hoe Bag'?"
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Hello listeners and welcome back to our Nostalgic or Problematic series, although now it's just kind of become Dani and Katie's random thoughts about Dawson's Creek, where we are rewatching the zennial classic Dawson's Creek, and we have made it to season three. We are on episode three, this episode of ours, and if you are watching on YouTube, I would like to introduce you all to my business colleague, dani. You may notice her here in her black blazer. Okay, in the video it looks like I'm wearing a black blazer or like a judge's robe and I'm in a t-shirt. I'm in a gray t-shirt. It is like a very. It's one of those like cozy, like shawl things. It's very grandma, but it's like what I carry around because I'm usually cold. The only reason I have it on is because I realized after we filmed our last, recorded our last episode, my boobs look weird, or so she thinks. No, they don't actually look weird, not in real life and not when I'm straight on, but I'm like crooked and I have on like this, this dress, and so it looks like this boob is like. Not that there's anything wrong with that, cause most of us have one boob bigger than the other, that's like normal, but it looks like I, I look all like catty wampus and it was bothering me, so we don't need to worry about what my boobs are doing, so I'm just covering them up. So, danny means very serious business in this episode. I look so serious. No shenanigans, no horse play.
Speaker 1:Yes, and if you're wondering why this up where we've been with Dawson's, oh yeah, because it's been a minute and by the time this comes out, it will be our only episode for the week. Yeah, the day that it comes out, it will be that week's episode. Usually we have a regular episode and a Dawson's Creek. Yeah Right, but this is it for this week. Guys, in case you're wondering, there is nothing else to come this week. Not this week, but we did record something super fun for next week. Yes, we are just summer is just weird. The beginning of summer for us is just very has been very busy. We've had a lot of things happening in life travel, some expected, some unexpected. So we're trying to stay consistent with recording, which means, even if we don't have everything we usually do, you're going to have something, you're going to have something, and we're trying to make sure we keep our promises to you that our book club picks and our movie rewatch picks come out on the days we told you months ago. Yes, that we will stay with that will happen, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But we have also had some drama with watching frickin' Dawson's Creek. Yeah, that's made it a little harder too, which we talked about in the last time. But it left Hulu. First of all it was on Prime for free, then it left, then it went to Hulu. Well, then it left Hulu and apparently I got a text from our friend today saying it is now back on Hulu. Yeah, so what the hell? I don't care, I'm just going to keep watching it on Prime. Well, I shall not, because I already pay so much money for Hulu Live. So, and and I got sick of dealing with commercials, so now I paid to not have the commercials on hulu. Yeah, you are paying to not have the commercials.
Speaker 1:Don't tell troy he's gonna be pissed. He don't listen to this, he doesn't. He don't listen to the dawson, to the dawson's. No, yeah, he's gonna be pissed when he finds it out, because we're trying to cut back on all our apps and shit, because it's so much it all adds up. And someone pointed out to me recently they were like you know, when streaming stuff first started, it was kind of like this great alternative to cable because cable has and is so expensive. But by the time you pay for all the little things, I think it's still less expensive than like cable at its height. No, it's not. Not if you have all the things that you could have watched, yeah, and if you have like a premium to any of it, and then sometimes, even then, you like, for example, we have Amazon Prime, but then sometimes we want to rent or buy something that we still have to pay for, you know Right, so on top of it, you're paying extra fees. So, anyway, did I tell you what we recently bought for our house? What A DVD, paying extra fees. So did I tell you what we recently bought for our house? What a DVD player, really, because we haven't had one in years.
Speaker 1:And, yeah, the way this came about was I was. This is difficult, danny. I wanted to have a cast party to watch our recorded. Well, ain't nobody going to be listening to that, we're good. Anyway. We had DVD copies of our recorded. Well, ain't nobody gonna be listening that, we're good. Anyway, we had dvd copies of our recorded show and, um, I was like, oh, we should all watch together. Let me have a cast watch party.
Speaker 1:And then I quickly realized we don't have a dvd player because we'll bring. We'll bring in a playstation, because we have a few we don't either and we'll hook that up and watch. Well, we couldn't get it to work. The day of I was like tori, you gotta figure out, I don't, because I don't want to do that shit. Yeah, and so I was like, can you get that gone? He's like it's not working and he's like you know what?
Speaker 1:I've been wanting to buy a dvd player anyway, because we we still have tons of dvds, especially like holiday ones. Yeah, and now, everything you want to watch like classics, you have to pay for right, and if you literally already have it sitting on your shelf, right, you don't want to pay for them. So he went and got one, which is wild because remember when they used to be so expensive, yeah, you can get one pretty expensive nowadays. And so now we have a lot of our old DVDs out, and now he's started buying them Like classic ones. Yeah, you know, like Halloween, like ones you really plan to watch with um, like friday the 13th. And he came home with like because you can get them for like a couple bucks, because I have a feeling in the next few years, physical media it's gonna be back.
Speaker 1:I agree, because you have to pay so much to watch all the things we want to watch. You have to pay, you do, or you can't even find it like porkies. You can't even find it Like Porky's, you can't even find it. That's okay, but that's a good example, but anywho. So Dawson has been hard to pin down, yes, but he is back on Hulu right now, right now. So watch the whole season, just binge. We know it's there. Yeah, we're not going to be doing that. No, I have to do a little bit at a time, otherwise they all blur together and then I talk about something from a different episode. Okay, so let's jump into it. We have two episodes to talk about. Season three. Episode three is called none of the above. Dawson faces an ethical dilemma when Eve gives him an advanced copy of an important college entrance exam. By the way, an advanced copy of an important college entrance exam, by the way, it's not an important college entrance exam, it's a practice test.
Speaker 1:That was going to be one of my main comments about this episode the PSAT. The PSAT Now, that is the test that gives you scholarships and stuff, national merit, correct, which is a big deal. Troy's youngest sister got that. One of Caden's best friends got like almost a perfect score on his PSAT, which is insanity. I think he did get a perfect score on his ACT. Oh dang Right. Amelia qualified for the national merit for a PSAT. That's wild. She didn't get a perfect, but she got a high enough score. That's wild. And even I was like what is that? What does that mean? Because like, I didn't even even remember or I just probably never was even close to qualifying for it, so it can be a somewhat big deal. Well, like Joey was stressed, I thought it was weird that they were all so stressed about the PSAT, like Andy and Joey.
Speaker 1:Like I didn't even take the PSAT, by the way, I didn't even take the SAT because back in the day in the 90s Southern colleges, most of them wanted you to take the ACT. The SAT was like a northern school thing Okay, yeah, or you could pick one, but most of them wanted you to take the ACT. Now it's not like that, but I never even took the SAT because, guys, I hate taking tests, I hate it. They've, I've always hated it. I hate it, I hate it, I hate it. And I told myself when I took that ACT. I said, if I get a score, that's good enough to go to college, I'm done, I'm not taking it anymore. I did. I could have done way better, but I did not care. Yeah, I think that that is perfectly valid.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought it was odd and the way that like yes, I mean schools help you prep for it and it's like a whole thing, and but like the way that, just like the whole culture of the school was surrounding this test and they kept I don't know if you noticed, but they kept mentioning the college board yes, which I thought was interesting because that is the administrator of the test. But I just thought it was odd. I know I'm like who do they know from College Board that wanted this written in the show? In the show? It just was weird how they kept going you know the College Board's PSAT, a member from the College Board is going to review it, or whatever. I was like, okay, so you think there was a big push at the time to take the PSAT Prime. So you think there was like a big push at the time to take the PSAT Prime money, capitalism Guaranteed, probably.
Speaker 1:I mean, as a grown person now and I've read articles, obviously, surrounding this too I have often wondered, like, why is there such a monopoly on what the college board provides Like? Why and you did mention the ACT, which is a different way of testing skills and now they have another test called I can't remember what it's called, but they do have another one, but it's such a small amount. It's sort of like we're putting all our eggs in one basket for this thing and in that case, it is a really big deal because it's the only thing you know and I've I've read articles about colleges that really don't even look at that anymore. They'd rather see a portfolio, which makes sense. I mean, listen, I have an issue with testing because some people me, for the example just do not test well.
Speaker 1:Now, I managed to pull through and I've always. I never had to have an. I maybe should have had extra, but I mean I've always done well. I mean I graduated high school and college with honors and you know I whatever, but I still don't test well. Like it's overwhelming. I have horrible. I took my whole. I had took my online like personal training, certification. It was like a proctored test where they watch you, oh God, and like online. Yeah, you have to show them your camera, like around the room and like you can't see them, you just hear their voice. Oh, that's scary. I hate it. And for three hours I'm taking this test and I'm sweating. I was having an anxiety attack the entire time, dang, I don't know how. I just I did really well on it. I don't know how, because I was like panicking. It was awful, anyway, so that's what's happening with these kids.
Speaker 1:The beginning, though did you get the jokes in the beginning where he's talking to Felicity? Yeah, so they're watching Felicity, which is a TV show. Yeah, and he's basically making fun of it for all the reasons that people make fun out. Dawson's Creek, yeah, yeah, how she's too much of a romantic and, um, just the way that the storylines are, and I think that's funny. They do those jokes a lot in the beginning and then, like, him and Eve are like making out or whatever, and Dawson goes. You know what I hate about television? They always cut out at the best part and then the theme song starts. I was like genius, it was well, it was good, that's a good joke writer. That was a good one. That was really good.
Speaker 1:Do you not have any notes? No, because I was packing and cleaning the entire time I watched. Yeah, okay, we were talking about this before we turned the mics on earlier. I'm going on a trip, yes, and it's fine. It's nothing super stressful about the trip or anything, but it's like suddenly I'm like, oh my God, I have to do all these things. Like I have to clean out my game cupboard, and I did. Yes, I have to redo the bookshelf yeah, it's like I don't actually have to do any of those things to successfully get out of town. Yep, I do that too. I was saying that's an ADHD thing, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then there's like the normal cleaning stuff. So it's like, okay, well, yeah, like I gotta like get some stuff that is building up a little too much before, and we have someone staying at our house with our dog. So it's like, oh, like not a stranger, but like someone who's not on family is going to be in the house. So I'm trying to make it a little nicer. So we'll cause the book we read that we talked about on the last episode that will come out next week yes, was an 11 hour audio book. So, as I was cleaning and stuff. So it's like, by the time I finished all that, did regular work and now I'm cleaning.
Speaker 1:I just watched and cleaned, okay, cleaned out my pantry and my kitchen. Oh, I hate doing that. I know it felt good, I know it feels good when it's done, but like it's just those little tasks and like I really hate cleaning out the fridge Me too Because then you have to like wipe all't done it yet and stuff haven't done it yet. That's a tomorrow, I think. Anyway, okay, so well, then we'll go by my notes, since you don't, and I'll just tell you what I think. I honestly didn't take too many notes because I was watching, but I was like distracted, I was like doing multiple things at once, like I was playing on my laptop while I was like paying bills, I'm like you know that kind of stuff. And also, I didn't think these episodes were very good. I didn't think either one was very good. Yeah, I thought it was weird and I I really disliked the scene.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Eve gives Dawson the answers to the PSAT. Yes, like, like the key. Now, how did she fucking get that? How did she even get it? Why did she give it to Dawson? And like who goes on a secret mission to get the PSA, I know. And then Dawson brings it to his friends because it's an ethical dilemma, like, if it's really an ethical dilemma, why are you even doing that? And then there's a whole scene where they're all like saying why someone might want it and they're like, maybe because you're getting over heartbreak. And then Pacey's like maybe because you're good at cheating, and they're like you know, maybe because you've got to get out of this town, you know. And they're all like it's like it was too much. It was too much. Like you, doing well in the PSAT is somehow your key. To like all of this. I suppose it's a step in the right direction, but I was just like this is too much. It was, yeah, I just was.
Speaker 1:And then there's a fire alarm and they come back oh my gosh, and the test is missing, and so then that's a whole thing. And then I couldn't tell if Eve really knew who took it later. I guess it's later when she's like oh, what if I told you who took it? She don't know. But then she's like it's the first person you thought of. She's, that's the person. Yeah, she's just a pot stirrer and we don't really know why and I, honestly, even once she leaves, I you still don't really get her. You're like why she's such a weird character this season. She's weird she doesn't stay around the whole season, but enough to be annoying. Okay, so let's talk about the whole football culture stuff.
Speaker 1:So something that's problematic that I remember happening in real life. You know where Jack's at football practice and he's getting his ass kicked right, not on purpose, but he's trying to run through the line. Guys, I'm not a sports person, so, katie, fix me on whatever. Oh, okay, you probably know we're in trouble, yeah, anyway, he's like making his way through. Is he the quarterback Jack? Yeah, yeah, okay, so, and he can't get through Right, and there's one part where he like flips over and falls right on his head, like on, and any, they're like jack come too and he's like, oh, I think I'm gonna throw up. So he probably had a concussion.
Speaker 1:And I can remember friends of mine who played football in high school in the south. Guys, I can remember like them getting hurt really bad, and they'd be sick on the sideline and the coach would put them right back in. Oh, yeah, so, which is very sad because so many people have permanent like brain damage from high school sports, right? This is why I, neither one of our kids, have ever played football. Also, we're small, so can be a kicker that's probably not it. But it makes me nervous because they do have a lot of guidelines now that they follow, yeah, but it's still super rough, we.
Speaker 1:So ferris is a bigger guy but he, um, wanted to play. But by the time we finally got around to being like, okay, we'll put you in flag football or touch football, I want to say he was not eight or nine and it was tackle, and we were like I'm sure it was just that specific league that we were looking into, but we were like you're not playing tackle football at nine. Yeah, my kids played flag football for a while, upset about it, but we were like huh, I know. And then we did try to get him to play like as a freshman, just to like go out, and he felt like he was so far behind he went to a couple practices that he was like no, I'm not going to play, which is fine. I mean, in the end he plays basketball and stuff, but like same, we were sort of like it's like no shade to people whose kids play football. No, no, no, like you said, there's a lot of like precautions, there are a lot of guidelines now, but I think, yeah, it's always been a sport that's made us a little nervous. Yeah, yeah, I mean it is. I mean, yeah, especially back then, yeah, where it was like just tough it up, you know, and I mean this was in 99, right, this was in 99, right, yeah. And I think there's even been related to dementia and Alzheimer's. There have been studies of NFL players specifically, and their number of times they were hit or documented concussions which is probably not even all of them and then their risk factor for dementia or who it happened to and how young. And obviously we know dementia can happen from a lot of things. But when you look at that pattern you're like, well, those people all have something in common. Yeah, right, so well. And you know what? My kids had concussions without football, so well, there's that too.
Speaker 1:Literally, life is scary enough. Caden got attacked by a dog and it was really scary and bad, but he was okay. We were at the ER like all night when he was like eight or nine. We come home he's in the shower. He had like puncture wound in the back of his leg and his hand and stuff. So he's in the shower. It's like 1130 at night, okay, and we were trying not to get the back of his leg wet.
Speaker 1:Child locked his knees and passes out in the shower, like passes out. I'd never seen someone pass out before, hit his head, like literally in the back of the shower and like was out. And I panicked. And this is after the emergency. Yes, no, right, I'm screaming for Troy because I don don't. If you've never seen anybody pass out, it's terrifying, it's really scary. Because they look dead. They do, because his eyes were open and they're rolled back in his head and they're they're not. They don't say anything for a second. So I'm panicking and I'm like troy, where's my phone? It's about it anyway. Troy comes in there by the time he comes in like caden has and like he was confused, as always happens. Anyway, so he had a concussion, he had a mug. Yes, oh, poor kid.
Speaker 1:Then Cooper, let me tell you how Cooper got a concussion. Okay, he was like four or five, probably four, in our house in Virginia. These both happen in our house in Virginia. We had like high barstool table, you know, and um, they were eating lunch and somebody called it was like my sister called me or something and I was like, just eat your lunch, right?
Speaker 1:Cooper put both of his arms into his t-shirt because he wanted to see how it would feel to eat his sandwich with no arms. So I literally turned my back for a few seconds. I walked into the other room and I hear this Boom, because, guys, if you're four years old or five years old and you're trying to eat lunch with no arms, with no arms, that you've had arms up until that second. He went straight back on the tile Like, just cause you had, he had nothing to catch himself, yeah, and he was okay in the moment and I was like what the hell? And I said Caden, what? And he goes. He was trying to see what it was like to eat without arms. I was like, oh my God. So he was okay.
Speaker 1:And the next day he went to like this little camp or something and he came home. He's like I, I, my tummy don't feel good, I feel like I'm going to throw up. I was like, oh, no, went to the ER anyway. So my kids had concussions from dumb things, right, right, so it still happens. But yeah, so I don't want to put you in a situation where the chances are even higher for real life, for recreational yeah, oh, my gosh. And y'all know how I got a concussion right. Did I tell you about this I feel like maybe a couple of years ago, right, when we first moved here. This is so embarrassing guys. Y'all know I'm a fit, a fitness professional, so please don't do this at home.
Speaker 1:I was working out and I was doing a new kind of workout move. I had a 20 pound weight and I was doing this little, this like a multi-plane movement, and I was transferring the weight from one shoulder above my head while I was doing a lunge. Yeah, it sounds a lot. It's just as complicated as it sounds. I was doing great and then I went too fast and I hit myself in the head with a 20 pound weight. Ouch, I didn't black out or anything like that, and I didn't. I was like damn that hurt. And then I was laughing. So I was like, oh, what an idiot.
Speaker 1:Well, I had to drive Caden over to Orlando for something and I was sitting there. I was talking to my sister on the phone. I was like God, I did not feel good, like my head hurts. She was like oh my God, danny, you probably have a concussion, sure enough. Oh man, gave my ass a concussion myself yourself. Well, I've been sitting here patiently. Yay, you have a dumb story too. It's pretty bad. Okay, I'm ready. Okay, I have a few, like my kids? I don't think there's a few. The kid concussion stuff is not that exciting, so we'll just skip to mine. All right, I'm ready.
Speaker 1:Um, so I wanted to use nair in college and I had roommates, but, um, I wanted to try it down there. Oh, yeah, I love me some Nair for Bikini Lines, yeah, and I hadn't done it ever before. So I was home by myself, which wouldn't matter because I'm in the shower. It's already so good. I mean, you know, it doesn't matter that much because, like, I'm in the shower. But still, part of the story is that I'm there by myself myself, so I'm showering, whatever I try it, and a little bit gets in. So I ice burning, completely naked and wet, and the way that spoiler alert no one ends up walking in.
Speaker 1:But the way that our apartment worked. You open the door and there was the kitchen, but no one walked in on me. Wait, I just hold on. You got no diplatory, yes, up into an area. You didn't want it and instead of rinsing it like we learn in science, I tried and it was still burning. But what is going to do? I don't know. Cool it off, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I was young and dumb. So I run into the kitchen, I'm getting ice and I back up like where I is like cheap linoleum, and I fell backward and hit my head on the floor. Oh my God, I'm like naked burning, holding an ice cube. I'm on the middle of the floor and I like passed out for a second and when I like came to, I was like, oh my god, someone's gonna walk in and be like what the fuck are you doing? So? And by then it really wasn't burning anymore, so it must have just like ran its course or the pee.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I went in the bathroom after that and peed not on the kitchen floor. I meant like if you pee that, may you pee that, may have rinsed it. Yeah Well, sometimes when you get a concussion, people pee. Oh, I don't know, I don't think I did. I had to go wipe up the whole kitchen once. I was like done with my shower and dressed, because there's ice and water and anyway. So that's how I got a concussion. Oh my God, that's way better story. Yeah, no, that's terrible. Like, oh yeah, back my head hurt for like weeks, I promise. And like, when you go to the doctor for a concussion, they don't do a cat scan or anything like that, unless they did for cooper because he was so little. Oh yeah, they wanted to make sure there was like no whatever, but you can't see a concussion, right, so they basically just simply hear your symptoms.
Speaker 1:But it sucks, cause, like you have to have limited screen time. Even reading was hard for me, and it was. I remember it was the weekend of the Oscars and I was so pissed cause I'd have to watch it in segments and I was like and I would just go lay on my back porch and and I couldn't teach or anything because, hello, yeah, it's a head injury. But, oh my God, you and Nair on the kitchen floor. Yeah, I've never used Nair again. Oh see, I use it all the time.
Speaker 1:I probably, now that I'm older and wiser, you must be having a lot down there to get it accidentally up in there, I guess. So I don't know. I just think I didn't know what I, what I was doing and I think I was probably rushing. Again, I don't know why I was rushing, because I was alone in the bathroom, but I think I was like, not embarrassed, but like, oh, what am I doing? And again, I think I was rushing. That's sad, though, right, yeah, because and I think the whole reason I was even doing it in the first place, because my roommates told me they did it. I was like you lived with females. Yeah, right, it's not like so, it shouldn't be embarrassing, yeah, anyway.
Speaker 1:Well, and here we are totally fine after our head. I don't know, maybe that's what's wrong with us, I don't know. All right, well, let's turn into the concussion tell-all. Thank you for joining us on our TED Talk. Yes, how to protect yourself? Well, yeah, watch your cracks with Nair, all the cracks with Nair. Use a mirror when you're using dumbbells. Yes, and especially if you're lifting them over your head, don't put your arms in your shirt when you're eating a sandwich. Yeah, and Caden, I don't know, there's really no way to avoid his poor baby. All right, here is something that was in that episode. That was so stupid.
Speaker 1:How come in tv shows, when people hide under fucking tables, the no one can hear them or see them. I knew you were literally security guard. Walks in, you guys, it's like library tables. You can see underneath all of them from like a mile away and they're talking not even whispering talking, yeah, and he walks right in front of the table. Come on and comes back, oh yeah, and they're just talking like I'm talking to you right now. What I know? I noticed that same thing. I was like no way this security guard is not going to notice them. Now nowadays, maybe if they had like headphones on or AirPods, they would have still seen. No, they would have seen them. They're like these giant adults under these tiny tables. I know, that was really dumb. It's like when toddlers hide and they just cover their face. Yeah, like you can't see me, yeah, anyway, that was dumb.
Speaker 1:Also, I laughed when Joey was talking to Dawson about Eve and she called her a bleach blonde ho bag. I said ho bag was an insult. We need to bring it back. It really was. That was like a burn. That was a bad one.
Speaker 1:So here is the question what exactly is a hoe bag? I was just thinking that. I was like but what is a hoe? Okay, hoe bag. Is it like a bag of a multitude of hoes. That's what I'm thinking. It's worse than one hoe, or is it a part of a hoe, like you got nair in your hoe bag? I sure did. I don't know. I tend to think it's the first thing.
Speaker 1:Should we Urban Dictionary it? Yeah, we could. I don't have a phone in here. I'm the one with all the weird stuff on my algorithm. That's true. Ask Urban Dictionary. What a phone in here? I'm the one with all the weird stuff on my algorithm. That's true. Ask Urban Dictionary. What a ho-bag is? All right, let's see. Maybe the example it'll give is Joey saying that on Dawson's Creek? I doubt it. What is a ho-bag? What's it say? It just says Ho-bag is a slang, vulgar and derogatory term used to refer to a woman considered to be promiscuous. That's it. Yeah, that's not really a definition. Yeah, all right, listeners, if you know or if you have a hypothesis.
Speaker 1:This one says what do you put in a ho bag? Is that a joke? What does it say? Oh God, you guys, what do you put in the hoe bag? It says how to pack your hoe bag. Oh, is that like an overnight bag? Maybe, oh, probably. But this is what it tells you Jeans, shorts and a pair of casual slacks? What Sneakers and Sperrys? What the hell the hell, guys, I don't know anyway, because when I'm going out to be promiscuous I'm making sure I'm bringing casual slack. I mean, oh, it does say, it does say uh, another um, another definition of ho bag is also vulva or genitalia. Oh, so you were right, so you did get near in your back. Gives me meaning to the word um.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I just think we need to bring that word back. I think we did just now. We did it's back. We did it. Yeah, you used it in a sentence. I actually saw like a reusable tote one time that said ho bag and it made me laugh. So that's really funny. I know that's really funny. Can you imagine if we walked up in our kids school just like on our shoulder? I'm already embarrassing enough with my stickers on my car and all that, so we won't add to that. Okay, we won't add to it.
Speaker 1:So also, pacey and Dawson are fighting again, like physically fighting, and Dawson be punching again, I know. And then Joey says again Dawson, or something like that. Please, girl, but she's right. But it took me a second. I was like what does she mean? Oh, yeah, right, they did punch each other before and their faces looked messed up this time. Now do we think Dawson would be able to punch that hard? No, nah, I mean, maybe he's getting stronger he is and older. He lost some of that hair, so he did, I mean. But also they were like they were being mean to each other. Their words were cutting deep Because he said something. I didn't write it down, but I was like totally with Pacey, though most of the time shocker, yeah. But he called, he told Dawson he was being self-righteous and I was like he is no, he was right, pacey was right, he was 100% right. He's like why are you accusing me? You're the one that had it in the first place and there's just as much a chance of you stealing it as the rest of us.
Speaker 1:Dawson, did you say anything about pacey's shirt? No, what was his shirt? It was like I I don't know that it was ugly. It was interesting, so I thought you might have something to say about it. I think I've given up on commenting like floral kind of. But then it had like geometric shapes on it. Oh right, do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, it was just really odd. It really stood out. I didn't dislike it, I just thought you might have a comment. I didn't, because you've been talking about his shirts lately. I know I think I've just given up now. Okay, that's fair. You're like they put Pacey in weird shirts. That's Last thing I had for this episode before.
Speaker 1:The next one is Jack's mantra word that he comes up with oh yeah, fug. All I could think of was the word fugly, also a word we need to bring back. Did you never say this? I said it. But why do you want to bring back fugly? Because it's funny. Okay, I know it. I mean, you were okay with Hobag, that's true. F's funny. Maybe it's because I feel like I'm fugly, oh no, but I don't think I'm a ho bag, but apparently I have one. So there's a difference. I don't know. Oh my god, but don't you? Oh my God, but don't you think Fugg sounds like the gay slur?
Speaker 1:I thought that was a weird. I didn't even think of that. I thought it was a weird word to pick for his mantra. Well, I thought it was weird. Anyway. I mean, it's weird. It's not a word. Where did it come from? Yeah, it's strange, but then it kind of sounds like F-u-c-k. Also. I know, I don't know, I don't get it. Weird is a weird word.
Speaker 1:And then how, dawson and pacey, it's like this whole big thing that they walk away and don't do the psat, who cares? Yeah, that's what I thought. I was like, literally all the hills to die on, this is the one. And the principal was like, all right, this was like bye, guys, bye. Like this is weird. Yeah, all right, oh, but then we find out who stole the test. Oh, yeah, it was andy. Yeah, it was andy. I wondered because I forgot, I couldn't. Oh, you forgot, I remembered I figured it was her or that the principal had found it and was like holding on to it. Yeah, that's what I remember, that was her. Yeah, I mean. Oh, andy, bless you, I know. Okay.
Speaker 1:So moving on to episode four, this one's called home movies. The summary was basically this was it dawson's documentary about jack capeside's gay football star? That's not even a sentence, I know, that's all it said. I I was like did we forget something? Okay, okay, hilarious, they brought in the Betamax machine. That was fun.
Speaker 1:Now my stepdad probably still has his, unless Hurricane Katrina took it away, which it may have, but he had that thing forever. He would not get rid of it. And he, did you ever have one of these? Oh yeah, we had Betamax, okay, so you remember that the tapes were like this they were a different size, yeah, and he had this like two special cabinets that were specifically for Betamax tapes and he would not get rid of it. None of our TVs worked cause it was a weird hookup. Yeah, remember how, back in the day, with VCRs and stuff, you had to have specific kind of hookups. Remember, on TVs Today, everything is pretty much a USB cable, yeah, or you can get an adapter or an adapter. But it was like, anyway, he would not get rid of those. And that's the first thing.
Speaker 1:The Betamax was funny, oh my God, hilarious. I forgot about it until I saw it. And like, when did those stop being used or stop being made? Whenever VCRs came out? Okay, so they weren't at the same time. Well, I think they did coexist a little bit. It's like Atari and Nintendo, right, right, yeah. And then, because I remember having both, yeah, and I felt like it was around the same time, I think they overlapped kind of like like vcrs and dvd players. That's true, well, and remember, laser discs came before the dvd, right, that's true, yeah, so probably same thing. Yeah, it's just evolution. Evolution of it. Yeah, changing technology. But that was laugh, that was funny.
Speaker 1:Can we talk about this? I do not get why jen stayed on the cheerleading team for so long. I know it makes no sense, like she hates it so much and is so rude about it and she's just like, but I just blah, blah and I'm like it's so, not her character, it it's weird. It's like again, of all the hills to die on, why is it like I said I'd be head cheerleader. So no, I have to forever and ever. And I know like later in the episode she's like I started as a joke Cause then she does quit. Finally she does, yeah, but that took long enough.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I'm like a joke, if you like did your tryout and then they offered you her trailer and you're like, uh, no, that's the joke. That's the joke. Yeah, I don't know. And they, they call her jenny, which I just thought was so funny. I mean, it's like basically the same name. Of course the jens out there are yelling at me right now, but it did feel like such a different name. I'm like, why are they calling her that? I know. And then I was like oh, jen, jenny and her name and her grandma calls her Jennifer, so I guess, but for some reason it like made me giggle when they called her that.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, there are people who like whose names are something and they don't want to be called whatever version of something. Did I tell you about? Okay, I, there was a man I work with and he worked in the UK and his name is Matthew, and so I had heard a few people just kind of say oh yeah, matt gave me this, matt gave me that, whatever. So not even spoken, but on Slack I said something. He asked me a question and I said oh, thanks, matt, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He wrote me back on Slack and was great, please don't call me matt, my name is matthew. Yeah, and I was like fair, you know, like that. She doesn't want to be called vicky or tori, she wants to get it victoria, I get it, that is my name. But I was just like. I was like oh, so I can. I just said. I said absolutely like, until I made sure you're like oh, my b, my b, yeah, my b.
Speaker 1:Okay, while we're talking about Jen, her little tangent, she went on before she quit the cheerleading team. Oh yeah, she was really pissed about that. First of all, yes, valid to be pissed that they put you in an auction contest where you have to kiss someone. Yeah, no, she said. One of the things she said in her little tangent was about her polyester molest me skirt. Uh-huh, I was like damn, and how funny that she wore fishnets, I know, with that uniform, I know that was really funny.
Speaker 1:I didn't quite blame Grams when she was. It's kind of what you were saying Grams is like why are you kind of? What you were saying grams is like isn't, why are you, yeah, kind of, um, making fun of and not taking seriously. You're kind of being an asshole. This role, yeah, like, and she's like cause, cheerleading's stupid and all we do is, and the whole structure of it. But, but I'm like, yes, so grams is saying like, then don't be a cheerleader, right, like, right. She's basically telling you why. She's genuinely asking why are you doing this? You know, I thought that was an interesting scene, I know. And then she goes oh jennifer, oh jennifer, oh jennifer, oh jennifer, you have to do it like that. Oh, jennifer, that's it there. It is there it. I'm better at being an old lady you are. I mean, you are also a professional actor. I got my sweater on In your blazer over there, so are you, though I'm just in a t-shirt. No, being a professional actor, I mean not right now. I'm not. You're fine, oh, who knows? Oh dear, okay.
Speaker 1:So what were your thoughts in the football game when they put the makeup on the boys to distract the other team? I mean, on one hand, who cares if you put makeup on boys? But their reasoning was kind of to make them, I don't know. I know I felt weird about it. It makes me feel weird Anytime you're using a gender stereotype in general, both ways.
Speaker 1:It's not just putting the makeup on them, it's assuming. Then that's somehow going to mess up the other players. Right, they were targeting Jack on purpose because they knew he was gay, which sucks, but also real life happens, sure, yeah. And then Henry said like, when they came out and the other team's looking at them and Henry's like who's the homo now? And I was like, oh yeah, that didn't land. You're saying that to defend him, but you're saying it in a derogatory way. Yeah, I just didn't like that whole bit. And I didn't love Dawson's tokenization of Jack for the news story, Right, which is what his dad was trying to say. That's what I was going to say.
Speaker 1:And Mitch is sort of made out in that scene to be like the bad guy Because he wants the team to win. But I'm like, but he's right, it is distracting. It also puts a big old target on Jack yes, who is a child out here playing a dangerous, what could be a dangerous and violent sport, and he's part of a team. So like singling him out is not, probably. But Mitch wasn't really saying that. But I understood what he meant by like we have a game to worry about as a team. We don't need the day before this news story on, like this big news station about the gay football player, right Before the game happens, right. So I kind of agreed with that. Well, of course, I'm on on mitch's side.
Speaker 1:And then henry's crush on jen. It's the cutest. I can't I. You see how I had a crush on him. I was thinking that when I was watching it was like oh, he's adorable, um, and just how he can't talk. And then she's like I know you got issues or whatever to him when he couldn't talk and and he's around for a while so he doesn't disappear for a while and good, he stays adorable. Good, that makes me happy time, because I would feel very betrayed if he didn't. He just he is one of my favorites and I forgot about it.
Speaker 1:But also the school is just OK with, like, this whole kiss auction. Yeah, it's weird, also a problem. Yeah, like the principal's like pucker up, I mean, don't say that, but pretty much, yeah, I'd be like I know the kiss you've all been waiting for. Hello, yeah, yeah, like. First of all, I feel like when I was in high school there were strong rules against pda, right, okay. But I also remember being in college and my sorority did a date auction. Oh, yeah, we had like auction but like not. But you're adults and you're I don't know. It was a little weird. Yeah, it's a little weird.
Speaker 1:We had, okay, I think, the most problematic thing I can remember when I was in high school so I think I talked about this before. I was in a service organization called Kiwanis, which is the female version of the Kiwanis club. Okay, the boys had one called key club, the girls were Kiwanis, whatever. I think they eventually joined Um, but we, since it was all girls and they were all boys, we basically treated it like they were fraternity and sorority. Sure, okay, but one of the biggest moneymakers we had that we raised money for a local charity.
Speaker 1:Every year we had something called a hunk contest and it was like a male beauty pageant, but basically we just objectified these boys who entered. They wanted to enter, but I mean like yeah, hello, I know, and the school loved it. They were like we did it in the cafeteria, like, yeah, I mean, to your point, it's objectification either way, correct, even if you like it, like you're. That's what I mean. Yeah, so I'm saying, and that was a night, you know, the late 90s, mid to late 90s, so it's around this time, so I'm assuming I guess whatever, but anyway, yeah, that's problematic from the time. So, um, I, I also said henry's just too precious, and then, even though he paid $500, sold his precious little mouthpiece, doug Flutie's mouthpiece.
Speaker 1:But she, he, she was like all right, whatever, and he goes. Well, you don't have to if you don't want to, and that was sweet, see, we love him. We do love Henry, we do love him, yeah, yeah, I just thought of this when you're talking about, like, the kissing part of the stage direction, because, like I, just they're children, I get it, even grown, whatever they can do what they want outside of here. But as an adult, I am not going to say you must have this physical moment. You know, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1:And even adults, yeah, and I will say we will not do anything that someone is uncomfortable with. I don't care what the script says, you know. And really trying to find that line because you know we're community theater, so we don't have an intimacy coach or whatever. Well, and everybody's comfort level is way different, way different. And you know, when you're a kid, sometimes you're not confident enough to say I'm not comfortable with that, absolutely, especially to an adult. You know, right, right, so I have no problem.
Speaker 1:I told me I don't need to be nude. I'd be like, no, you don't, right. Well, and like, my thing is like I just take the decision away completely. Yeah, there's no pressure. Like, yeah, cause you don't have to, you don't have then, then they don't have to be put in that circumstance. Yeah, I mean even scenes, even with adults.
Speaker 1:If there's anything that requires someone to even touch a shoulder or something, I'm like, talk to your scene partner. Y'all decide what you want to do, because I'm not going to be the one to and again, it's community theater, so we can do that, we can do what we want. But I just am so cognizant of that and I and me personally, I don't mind that much, like I don't care if someone touches me or kisses me on stage or whatever. It's not even like a personal thing, it's like a understanding that sometimes people don't speak up about that stuff, or, and some people are uncomfortable and they are, and and that is okay, it is, you know, like.
Speaker 1:I mean, the last show I was in, I had to kiss all over somebody much older than me. Yeah, didn't bother me, like somebody had to pick me up in the air. But our director was like, are you okay with this? Yeah, I'm fine, but we had another person who had to take their clothes off and did it under a sheet. I probably wouldn't have been okay with that. Yeah, because I would be nervous. Yeah, which was part of the allure of the show. If I looked like her, then I'd been like, yes, and granted, nothing ever happened. She was really good at it. Like she got the stuff off and she wasn't all the way naked, but yeah, pretty close. Yeah, and I don't think so. Thank God I didn't even have to be. That wasn't even a decision you had to make, but anyway. So that was it for those episodes. That's all I had written down.
Speaker 1:I just I hope the next two are better. It's Eve, it's her. She throws off the balance and I feel like nothing she does makes sense, right, literally nothing. It does a chasing of dawson, the stealing of the psat. Now she's suddenly at their high school. I don't, I don't what. Like who are you? I don't get, why are you here? And also, and then dawson, kind of like, says to her like well, we were supposed to be getting to know each other, but now I've decided I don't want to know you or whatever. But I'm like, yeah, it took all this for you to get to this point. All this, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't like her, I mean as an actress, wonderful person, right, it's adorable. Her clothes are great. I loved that red dress she was in with, like the piping. Yeah, that was really cute. But yeah, just the, the writing around her just didn't quite hit what it was supposed to, and I think she's working with the material she was given to the best of her. I know you do like you said she was just supposed to be this hot blonde that everyone's talking about, yeah, period, and even once at the before she leaves, you find out more about her. But it still is like, wow, still not quite. Yeah, well, we'll get to that Awesome. Well, tell us what you think, guys. Hopefully you enjoyed this. Well, depends when you listen to it. But Dawson's Only Week, yeah, dawson's only week. Yeah, dawson's only week. Dawson's only where Danny goes to business school.
Speaker 1:That's the way Katie uses an air In her show bag, in my show bag, and does not want to bring back the word fugly. Don't do it. Don't say it around me. Why I don't like it? I'm not calling you fugly. Yes, you are, I can tell. You looked right at me and you go.
Speaker 1:No one says fugly anymore. Oh, my God, that is reading into something. You didn't do that. You know what. I just wanted to see what you said. It feels very Mean Girls. Don't they say fugly in Mean Girls? Yeah, regina is a fugly cow. Oh, there we go. Biatch, right, regina is a fugly cow. No, I mean in the movie, not the musical. Oh, a fugly biatch, yeah, yeah, that's a great insult. Do they say Hobag in Mean Girls? I don't think so. I don't think so. Hmm, fugly biatch, fugly biatch. All right, anyway, all right, sounds good. Well, thanks again, guys. Listen to all our episodes, definitely, dawson's creek. Danny is very tired from her long day in the office. Being this lady and it's not a blazer, guys, I'm not wearing a blazer she needs to get home to pet her cats and take care of her 2.5 children. Return some important emails while drinking a glass of wine before bed. We'll see you next time on Generation Inbetween. Bye, guys, bye.
