Dawson's Creek S3, E11 and E 12: Cape Fest and Divorce Bonding

Cape Fest takes us back to the glory days of 90's music festivals and school plays in this nostalgic deep dive into Dawson's Creek Season 3, Episodes 11 and 12. 

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Nostalgic or Problematic Series Intro

Speaker 1 0:01

Hello listeners and welcome back to Generation Inbetween. This is our Nostalgic or Problematic series where we are re-watching Dawson's Creek. We're on season three, guys, and we're zooming through. Thank the Lord. Above that we don't believe in, because this season sucks, although these two episodes were better than the last two. Yeah, they were better than the last two. So we're on season three, episode 11. This one's titled Barefoot at Cape Fest, Super cute. Summary is Jack looks for his first gay experience. Dawson finds that a rival is sympathetic to his parents' divorce.

Speaker 2 0:43

Yes, what a summary. There's a lot going on there.

Speaker 1 0:49

I just Cape Fest, okay, this reminded me so much of okay. So watching this episode and then also watching American Pie, which we have another episode for this week, made me remember the amazingness of the 90s, mid to late nineties. And music, yep, I went to so many music fests because they were affordable and you saw so many people, yes, and I was like Kate fest, yay, and he said, like the Foo Fighters and like you know, quizzing him on whoever. Oh, courtney love, yeah, and I was Fighters and, like you know, quizzing him on whoever. Oh, courtney Love, yeah, and I was like, and then you never see any of the bands actually play the whole episode. I know I was thinking I was hoping there'd be like a cameo.

Speaker 2 1:34

I know you would have thought they could have gotten one.

Speaker 1 1:37

I know season three yeah.

Speaker 2 1:39

I love that too, and I think I wonder if it's just because that was another good way to like get your album sold, which isn't quite as big a thing now yeah that if literally hundreds of thousands of people saw you, and then they would buy that thing yeah and tell their friends, and more people were listening to it and requested on the radio and all that stuff, which isn't really the way the economy of it works now I know, and I mean the big music fest that I would go to, were put on by radio stations.

Speaker 1 2:11

Yeah, yeah, like that was such a big thing. In fact I think I talked about this before, like when we talked about concerts there was one, and all my my hometown people will remember. There's a radio station, an alternative radio station, in New Orleans, called the Zephyr, because it was an old roller coaster that used to be on like Pontchartrain anyways, and they would have Zephyr Fest every spring, summer, whatever some miserably hot time in Louisiana, which is always, and they would bring in so many people and it was so much fun.

Speaker 2 2:48

We had one like that in Chicago.

Speaker 1 2:49

Yeah.

Speaker 2 2:50

It's B96.

Speaker 1 2:52

Oh yeah, we did talk about that, cause I said we had a B97.

Speaker 2 2:54

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's where I saw Brian McKnight and cried Everyone's like partying. No, literally he came, came on after Eiffel 64. What so? Eiffel 64 sings blue.

Speaker 1 3:07

Yeah.

Speaker 2 3:07

And like whatever other electronic music they had.

Speaker 1 3:10

And then you had Brian McKnight, brian.

Speaker 2 3:11

McKnight comes out, sings like two notes and I'm sobbing.

Speaker 1 3:15

But that's the fun of a music fest. Because, like when we went to 90s Fest, which is no more, did you see their announcements? No, yeah, they're done 90s Fest.

Speaker 2 3:26

Okay right. I was thinking of Podfest, but Podfest is still 90s. Fest was the one we went to outside.

Speaker 1 3:31

And we saw Paula Cole, yes. And then we saw the 69 Boys, very different vibes, and then we saw who else did we see? I just remember them.

Speaker 2 3:41

Strawberry Wine.

Speaker 1 3:46

Oh, with them. Um, strawberry wine. Oh yeah, deanna carter. Yeah her, we saw her. I didn't really like that one. Yeah, I liked it. I know I tried not to mess up your flavor on that, but, um, anyway, I'm. We missed the 90s music fest and they try to bring them back now, but it's not the same because it's so expensive and it's not. You know, I'm not gonna say like security is like way different now than it used to be.

Speaker 2 4:06

It is. I mean, I don't ever remember there being like mass shootings at music fest, right and now it's a fear, and not only do they need the security, which can be really expensive, it makes people not want to go.

Speaker 1 4:21

Right.

Speaker 2 4:22

Like any mass gathering like that kind of stuck Right, it's mass gathering like that Correct Kind of stuck.

Speaker 1 4:25

Right, it's terrifying.

Speaker 2 4:27

It's scary.

Henry Returns and Lip Syncing Debates

Speaker 1 4:28

It is scary that anymore. So anyway, I miss that. That made me very nostalgic. And Henry's back. Yes, I wrote Henry.

Speaker 2 4:37

I make the emoji face I made before we started recording. No, I won't Henry, he's just the best. I love him and he's got a good voice.

Speaker 1 4:50

I know Well, that's not really him.

Speaker 2 4:51

Oh, you couldn't tell I didn't. No, I couldn't.

Speaker 1 4:55

I mean, I even wrote that down. I wrote Henry's singing voice definitely sounds not like him, but he's a great lip singer.

Speaker 2 5:02

There you go, is it lip?

Speaker 1 5:04

sinker or lip singer. I've, I've always messed that up sinker, lip, sink sinker, not a lip singer I think so yeah because I think I've said that wrong my entire life yeah, and now they just say lip dub what?

Speaker 2 5:19

yeah, I've never heard that. I've never heard of a lip dub what does that? Mean when there's a track playing and someone is like mouthing it I think it's Jimmy Fallon, has lip dub battles when people will come out, but they call it lip dub.

Speaker 1 5:34

Yeah, lip dub, that's fun. Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 5:37

Okay, I didn't make it up, but I'm very glad I introduced you?

Speaker 1 5:42

I have never heard that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 5:43

Okay, that's essentially what it is. I think it is Sink. Sink, he was good at syncing with whoever was singing his song.

Speaker 1 5:52

Unless I'm wrong. I was like that was not him.

Speaker 2 5:55

That's fair.

Speaker 1 5:57

It probably wasn't.

Speaker 2 5:59

I also just liked the fall vibe of that.

Speaker 1 6:03

Also, though, they look fucking cold. It did look cold Like I was like, like yeah. Like no sir, I would not be sleeping Now. I never did that. I did not sleep outside for no music fest. I did camp for Backstreet Boys tickets and if we ever get Howie up on this show, I'm going to tell him.

Speaker 2 6:23

I can't wait, it's going to happen. It's going to happen. We're just going to run into him at the Publix and be like hey.

Speaker 1 6:28

We need to go. You know, his new restaurant on the beach side over here has events and stuff and he goes. We need to find a way to get up in there and look fancy for a day, Not even a full day.

Speaker 2 6:44

I wonder if we could do like a live recording of the show. Looking fancy.

Speaker 1 6:49

Hey Up in there.

Speaker 2 6:52

Just take all this with us, including the backdrop.

Speaker 1 6:54

That'd be. So I don't know what our listeners would do if we like showed up all fancy. They'd be like who are these people?

Speaker 2 7:03

What have you done with Danny and Katie?

Speaker 1 7:08

Where are the glasses and the ponytails? I don't know that. Look, this is our second, I know.

Speaker 2 7:11

I can't believe it.

Pacey Joins the School Play

Speaker 1 7:13

Henry's back. Okay, moving on, pacey and the school play.

Speaker 2 7:17

I loved it.

Speaker 1 7:19

I did too.

Speaker 2 7:20

This was weird karmic timing, because I watched this one really early this morning and I literally just auditioned a bunch of youths. Yes, this week for a show my studio was doing Wild, so I was in like audition casting mode oh.

Speaker 1 7:34

And then to watch that.

Speaker 2 7:35

That was so funny. That director I was just about to say that director and why did Andy want to assistant direct so bad?

Speaker 1 7:44

I don't remember what she said. She said a reason or something, but probably.

Speaker 2 7:49

But but yeah, he was a lot he was terrible and I did like the part where it well, I didn't like that. Andy was like you need to quit. I was here first for the activity yeah, that was down andy, calm down. But I did like what pacey said because she was like oh, you're just doing it for the grade or whatever he's like also, like maybe. I'm good at like maybe. I'll enjoy it. Maybe it's something I'm actually good at Right. And I was like well, obviously we know Joshua Jackson is good.

Speaker 1 8:13

Correct.

Speaker 2 8:13

But it was like yeah, let him let him have a theater, kid. Me too.

Speaker 1 8:24

I really do. Nobody looked like him in my theater when I was in high school.

Speaker 2 8:28

We had some good looking boys in our theater we had good looking boys, but they weren't Joshua Jackson. Well, no, of course not, Of course not, nobody is.

Speaker 1 8:36

And then, um so Dawson and that girl with their little rivalry I can't say that word, it's like brewery Rivalry. I can say it slow when I bust it down into syllables.

Speaker 2 8:49

It's like the rural juror.

Speaker 1 8:51

What.

Speaker 2 8:52

What is that? What are you saying? Did you ever watch 30 Rock?

Speaker 1 8:55

No.

Speaker 2 8:56

Jane Krakowski's character keeps telling everyone she's going to be in this movie called the Rural Juror, and so the whole episode they're all like are you saying rural, like r-u-r-a-l? Juror oh juror, oh my god, that's hilarious everyone should just be like she's gonna be the roar, like the whole episode. And then it was like she's like it's the rural juror dvd set.

Speaker 1 9:17

It's just funny, that's hilarious that's another show I need to watch. See, it's really good. I do. I don't know where I went with TV for a few years.

Dawson's Divorce Struggles

Speaker 1 9:26

It's okay, dawson, I felt for him when he was talking to her about his parents' divorce. So I know you're not from a divorce, your parents weren't divorced, but I feel that when he's like, you know your parents are supposed to be your example. And then what? And it's interesting when you are a child of divorce and you marry somebody who's also a child of divorce, because you kind of don't know what the fuck you're doing, because it's like we, like troy and I, have now been married longer than our parents in any marriage they were in. Yeah Well, maybe not, maybe not his mom on the husband that she's on now, but anyway, or anyway, it was so weird. It's a weird thing because he's right and he I was like it sucks Cause you think when you're a teenager it's not going to affect you, but it does. I mean, I've even talked to grown adults when their parents get divorced it's a lot and that's stressful.

Speaker 2 10:29

I would imagine when, when you're a teen or adult, because I would imagine well like the scene where Gail's at the house and she says to him basically like, continue just being positive and putting on a brave face. It's easier for all of us and I remember just thinking.

Speaker 1 10:47

Yeah.

Speaker 2 10:48

What, like? Why should anything have to be easier for all of you Because it's hard for him? Also, did you see that like weird bust on the wall when she was moving stuff out? Yeah, what was that?

Speaker 1 11:01

about.

Speaker 2 11:01

What was that? I don't know. I was like surely this is is gonna come into play in the scene because this is such a weird thing.

Speaker 1 11:10

Yeah, I never did. It was just like in the hallway yeah, I don't know what it was.

Speaker 2 11:12

I don't know either. It was super weird, um, but yeah that I could see that, and especially as adults, I could really see that too. Uh, what else do I have? Oh, I just uh when I forget the guy's name, the guy that Jack is hanging out with.

Speaker 1 11:26

Yeah, me too. I don't know his name.

Speaker 2 11:27

I don't remember. I can't remember. And she says to Jack, are you back from your stalk? I mean walk, that was really funny. And then the guy's like right there. She's like oh hi, I'm Jen, I was totally kidding, I loved that part. Yeah, that was a whole interesting. I'm Jen, I was totally kidding, yeah, I loved that part.

Speaker 1 11:45

Yeah, that was a whole interesting thing, and how do you think they handled that whole deal?

Speaker 2 11:51

I don't know. It still feels a little creepy to me, Maybe because not so much because of Jack's age but Jack's inexperience.

Speaker 1 12:00

Yeah, and the other guy seems more. But I'm glad that they didn't have them hook up and he said said you don't like, it's not because I'm not interested, it's because you are so new yeah, it's true so I appreciated they did that yeah, I agree I totally agree and um oh I.

Speaker 2 12:18

I like the part where they were talking about something and jack says unless you don't have the internet or you've never seen the internet, and the guy's like I don't. Yeah, yeah, and I was like imagine a time when it was relatively normal.

Speaker 1 12:31

I remember that. I don't have internet or. I don't use it at home or I mean, a lot of people thought that it was going to be like a fad, not like the world changing, life altering thing it is. I mean, really now you can't function without it yeah I mean and more so you can, but it's really difficult, it's really difficult yeah like to go off the grid is hard yeah, it really is.

Speaker 2 12:57

And like even people. When they like go on cruises, they say they deliberately don't buy the wife oh, I don't remember which is great which is great.

Speaker 1 13:06

I well, I've been on two cruises now. One was with girlfriends, but troy was here, so I was like what's the point of having it? I can't get home. Anyway, that's true if there's with the kids yeah and I mean the other parent is there and if something happens to him again, I can't get home Right, so right, Um, because I was only gone for three days, so like. And then when we, when we went on a family cruise, it was all four of us, so it was like well again everybody's here.

Speaker 1 13:36

We're all here Immediately. People we would need to get to immediately, right? If something happens to our family, it would probably take us a few days to get there anyway. So like, but it is freeing, it is lovely to not have a phone in your hand.

Speaker 2 13:50

It's nice and I feel like knowing there isn't a way to access it.

Speaker 1 13:54

It's lovely, it's lovely.

Speaker 2 13:56

It's different. If you're like, if I like, come to the studio and I don't have my phone, I panic a little because I'm like, oh, because it wasn't planned.

Speaker 1 14:04

Yeah. No If it's intentional. Yeah.

Speaker 2 14:06

Family might be trying to get hold of me, I would panic. But if you're like deliberately, like OK, people know I'm on a cruise or off the grid, turning my phone off, cannot access it, then I feel like that would be great. I don't think I've ever, ever, been in a situation like that it's.

Speaker 1 14:29

It is very nice because I feel like any other circumstance, you're going to pick up your phone, sure you will. You go on vacation and be like, oh, I'm not going to look at it. You will, yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 14:36

Yeah, a hundred percent.

Speaker 1 14:36

Well, we to use them for life in a civilized society, unfortunately, anyway, yes, moving on, uh. But oh, poor henry, though I felt bad for him because jen kind of fucks has fucked with him, his emotions, she has.

Speaker 2 14:52

But I also felt like he was really overreacting. I you didn't think, no, okay, I thought wow, he really like well, he really she really Well he really, she really hurt his feelings.

Speaker 1 15:04

Yeah, Like she really hurt his feelings and she just didn't get it.

Speaker 2 15:08

True.

Speaker 1 15:09

And he's like you don't fucking get Like she just was trying to be buddy and he was like, okay, like you, whether she understood it or not, why he felt like this huge crush on her. Like I don't know, I felt for him. Okay, like I don't know, I felt for him, that's because when I was his age, I was a big feeler.

Speaker 2 15:29

I like how he was passing out, like vegan burgers. I know veggie burgers. Ooh, I didn't know you were a vegetarian and I was like, okay, are we okay?

Speaker 1 15:40

I know.

Speaker 2 15:50

But I still think that was cute, that he was doing that. It was cute and also something that I loved was um dawson and his solitary john lennon poster yes, and him like suddenly hating all the things about his room. I know, but that happens.

Speaker 1 15:55

We just had to redo cooper's entire room this summer because he decided I'm done with these bright colors. Guess what? Next year he's going to change his mind again. Whatever, that is the way it is. I have one kid that's like that, another doesn't.

Speaker 2 16:10

I care, and I think it made me like sad only because I was like yeah, but that's okay, like that's who you are, dawson right and it didn't feel like him being, like oh, I am different. It felt like him being I should be.

Speaker 1 16:21

Yeah, I should be, yeah. I think that's the part that made me sad, because he walked into that girl's room. He's like, oh, like. She's like. Well, shouldn't define you, I'm like, but what if it does?

Speaker 2 16:30

so what if it does? But maybe it does and that's okay yeah, totally, and I can't figure out if I like her character or not, or the.

Speaker 1 16:39

I think the writing on her isn't no, the writing this whole season is so bad when he's trying to rent the camcorder and she's just like, nope, it's not here, nope I know oh, I'll let you know when it's back.

Speaker 2 16:50

I don't know when it'll be back. Oh, it's because I have it uh-huh, uh-huh and just the whole. Thing.

Jack's New Experience and Internet Talk

Speaker 1 16:54

I was just like I know hello yeah but then the scene where they're talking about the divorces and stuff was better they're not developing her enough and, honestly, I don't remember what they do with her the rest of the season. That's what I mean. I do not, and I don't think she's here much longer. I don't know, I don't remember because the writing this season is so bad. Yeah, okay, what else? Anything? That's it on that one. Let's move on to episode 12, a Week weekend in the country.

Speaker 2 17:26

Katie didn't finish this one I want to, because, especially since they're in the bed and breakfast now. So where did you stop?

Speaker 1 17:33

oh gosh, I can't even remember okay I'll tell you, well, we'll just okay, we'll just talk about it and then I'll fill you in when we get there. First thing I have is that long distance telemarketer oh wait, I need to do the summary oh sorry, everyone rallies to make a good impression after pacey arranges for an influential travel writer to visit the potter sisters new inn. Yeah, guys, because this was before the day of airbnb, before the day of Insta influencers and YouTubers.

Speaker 2 18:02

You needed writers to write about your place To write, yeah. Not necessarily for, like, local people, but for people who would maybe be traveling. That way and looking for cool experiences.

Speaker 1 18:13

But did we not think it was kind of? I just thought it was kind of a reach for them to have, like a B&B in Capeside? It's not a tourist destination? Yeah, it is a kind of a reach for them to have an like a B and B and Cape side.

Speaker 2 18:22

It's not a tourist destination. Yeah, it is a bit of a reach.

Speaker 1 18:25

I thought it was weird.

Speaker 2 18:26

I don't know, maybe that's part of the TV show have you ever seen the Hallmark movies where literally everyone owns a, B and B?

Speaker 1 18:32

you know I'm going to say no to that.

Speaker 2 18:36

And they're all decorating Christmas lights and a travel writer stops by, but they don't say who they are, and so then everyone on the staff doesn't know and they're going to write a bad review about it.

Speaker 1 18:49

But then they fall in love with the owner's daughter and they end up writing a good wow, this is going to keep going and it's Christmas this is going to keep going anyway. That's the whole lot oh no, well, there's more I don't think I've ever watched a hallmark movie. I can't.

Speaker 2 19:11

That's not my jam, they're just so surface and aesthetically so nice, like the the christmas ones.

Speaker 1 19:18

They're just like but I don't like snow. I love christmas, but I'm not like a I didn't some that aren't in the snow.

Speaker 1 19:25

I mean, they have stories in california, florida you know, what's funny is because, like, growing up like I've always loved christmas, christmas has always been a big deal. But you know, growing up in louisiana, christmas wasn't usually cold right, so like it always, when I can't even remember as a kid being like, why does everything with Christmas have snow all over it? Like, not everybody has snowy Christmases, like you know. And then when you know, we have lived plenty of places where there's been snow and I hated it because you're housebound for so much, which sounds lovely, until you're trapped in your house for three days from a blizzard. Guys.

Speaker 2 20:01

Yes, oh, trust me.

Speaker 1 20:02

With toddlers.

Speaker 2 20:03

I still have been in Florida now 18 years, 17 years, yeah, and I still like don't miss the widows.

Speaker 2 20:14

I'm not nostalgic for them at all. I love when people post pictures of like the first snow and stuff and I is pretty to me. I'm like, oh, it's pretty, remember the like, but the life. And then I don't know if it was this way in Louisiana, but particularly up north it's just dark, so much, probably not as much. So where you were, oh well, that's not where you were in snow. Where you were, yeah, I was like sorry, what confusing locations.

Speaker 1 20:40

Well, in Missouri and Idaho and Virginia.

Speaker 2 20:42

it was dark at like four o'clock and it's terrible basically dark and cold and dangerous outside for like nine months and driving and like.

Speaker 1 20:52

It would always annoy me because, like my, my mom used to love coming to visit at Christmas because she loved Christmas and she loved the snow. But I'm like, well, yeah, you get to like it, cause you just sit here and watch us shovel it and drive you around and like, and then you get to go home Like we have to live in it and it's a nightmare. And then like your electricity bill is so high to keep it warm anyway, Okay, well, that's enough bitching about cold weather.

Speaker 1 21:18

Speaking of chill, they, they were watching the Big Chill, yes, and I have to say like, of course they were like, oh, everybody in our parents' generation loved that movie. My parents also loved it. My parents loved that movie. It's still a great movie. It's a weird premise, but it's a great movie and the music's amazing.

Speaker 1 21:40

And I was going great movie and the music's amazing and I was gonna say it's one of the best soundtracks. The best, and I will still, every now and then where I'm like you know, if you're in the car and I'm like I don't know what to listen to, I will. That is one I'll look for. And forrest gump oh that's awesome.

Speaker 2 21:49

Those are two just great soundtracks so good, and the part where joey's like why are they dancing in the kitchen? I was like I dance in my kitchen all the time. I think I do too honestly now that I think about it.

Speaker 1 22:01

There is dancing that occurs in every room of my house.

Speaker 2 22:04

Yeah, and then she asked Pacey about his parents. But we don't know anything about his mom, right, I thought that was it just took me.

Speaker 1 22:13

it was like a split second when she goes do your parents dance in the kitchen, Not that I recall, and he's like my parents well.

Speaker 2 22:26

Yeah, kitchen, and he's like my parents. Well, yeah, I don't know, or whatever. But then I was like, wait, what about his mom? I don't know? Good question, I thought she died too, but maybe not. Yeah, is that my hair or is mine? Um, okay, I think it's yours.

Speaker 1 22:32

It's too short to be yours. Um, yeah, okay. So the big chill, yay, um, okay, I was dying when dawson was trying to film their little promo video and he's like, joey, if you could, um, let maybe get your face to look more welcoming first of all don't say to a woman ever, but definitely don't say to joey.

Speaker 1 22:51

But I say that to, like you know, a lot of people in my husband's family have rbf, which if you don't know that stands for resting bitch face, and they can't help it. It's just how their face looks at rest Okay. And there'll be times I'm like can you just look not miserable? And they're like it's my face. That's what they always say it's my face. What do you want me to do?

Speaker 2 23:14

I can't have a new face Like I don't know what to tell you mean, but I feel like, yeah, I feel like joey, she has an rbf, she does like she does really hard not to right. Or if a smile sneaks in, it's like very noticeable, right, right, those moments happen.

Speaker 1 23:31

He's like can you please not look miserable, maybe laugh maybe laugh only dawson you only had one note for the whole episode a long distance telemarketer.

Speaker 2 23:41

Oh yes, when she goes to answer the phone.

Speaker 1 23:43

Yes.

Speaker 2 23:43

And then she's like no, I do not want to change my long distance carrier. She's like, but now that I have you on the phone, do you want to come to Cape side?

Speaker 1 23:50

And they like they hang up on her and she's like a telemarketer just hung up on me, yeah, and she's all bummed about it.

Speaker 2 24:10

Do you know when I worked for a temp agency when we lived in Georgia, yeah, I one day I had to do telemarketing. It was the worst eight hours of my life. Look, if any listeners are telemarketers or had an experience doing it or enjoyed doing it, I would love to hear from you, cause to me I always wonder like do they ever get anybody to talk to them?

Speaker 1 24:24

Okay, the only people who had talked to me cause I was doing telemarketing for a furniture store to tell people about a furniture sale guys, oh my God, the only people who wanted to talk were the old people and it was depressing because they had nobody else to talk to. Yeah, it was depressing, it was the worst, it was the longest day. And then that same job, because you know, when you're a temp, you just go where they tell you to go. And I had to fill in for like a week at like a car dealership. I was a receptionist. They offered me a full-time job and I said no, no, because that would be so bad. It was, the salesmen were creeps and I was like in my early twenties and they were slimy creep. The any kind of stereotype you would think of a car dealer. That was it.

Speaker 2 25:16

And so you didn't mind the tasks so much.

Speaker 1 25:19

No, being a receptionist. Honestly, that's probably the best. I think that's probably the number one job I said probably suitable for is to be a receptionist, because I feel like you would stay busy. I mean, I liked talking to people, Like I enjoyed chatting with people, or, like you know, customers are waiting. I could bring them coffee and I would chit chat with them, whatever, but it was the salesman.

Speaker 1 25:39

I could bring them coffee and chit chat with them, whatever, but it was the salesman. Okay, that's fair, and I had to like go, like I had to like go get them food and stuff, which is fine, but they were not very great, anyway. Yeah, why are we talking about that?

Speaker 2 25:49

I don't know Move on, move on.

Speaker 1 25:51

Um, oh, I put lots of deep talk. Moments happen on a dock in this show.

Speaker 2 26:03

So many, so many.

Speaker 1 26:04

Even the episode before, when him and Nikki are sitting outside and it's like the so many things on a dock.

Speaker 2 26:07

So many. And I wonder why? Because it does feel poignant there.

Speaker 1 26:14

I know.

Speaker 2 26:15

But what is it about the dock that makes it feel that way?

Speaker 1 26:19

Is it because?

Speaker 2 26:19

you're close to the water. Is it because you're outside? I?

The Potter B&B and The Big Chill

Speaker 1 26:23

don't know, but it was cold Like I'm like they spend too much time outside when it's cold.

Speaker 2 26:27

Yeah, it should be seen by the fireplace.

Speaker 1 26:29

Heart to heart it's just like another heart to heart On the dock. Okay, oh, I did write this. I said, oh, I did write this. I said one thing I notice in this show and that I keep noticing is the world without cell phones, because this was like the last little bit of time before they're everywhere.

Speaker 2 26:50

Yeah, yeah. And it's like but do shows really have a lot of cell phones? Now yeah, I never really paid attention, I guess.

Speaker 1 26:59

Yeah, like in the modern shows, like especially ones with teenagers. Yeah, that's true, you know, that's true Texting, watching shit.

Speaker 1 27:06

Or if you're just like on the street walking and you see people and I'll tell you what bothers me the most, and it's bothering me more and more because I'm not saying this like accusatory towards everybody else, I mean cause I do it too. Yeah, I went to pick up I think I mentioned this last time. I went to pick up Cooper from something and everybody's all the parents are waiting and I'm walking up and it was probably 15 people, every single person. Nobody's talking, everybody's just on their phone and it was like we've talked about before, like I'm standing there, not on my phone, so I look weird, right, and people are like you know, like, and like you can't just like start a conversation with someone, cause you don't know if they're like talking to I don't know what they're doing, they might be working, they might be, I don't know.

Speaker 2 27:53

You wouldn't want to interrupt unless they gave you a social cue that it was okay.

Speaker 1 27:58

But it's just weird. I feel like we're missing out these days on so much blank space and so many opportunities to just practice social skills that we're going to forget them.

Speaker 2 28:13

Maybe I mean, I think it's like anything you know, people evolve with whatever the thing is, you know, and I think like this sounds silly, but to me, like a dishwasher and a washing machine is a great thing, but I had read an article a few years ago that when those things first came out, a lot of people felt very dehumanized by them.

Speaker 1 28:35

But do you think it's the same as a phone though?

Speaker 2 28:37

I mean, I'm just that's an example, but like I think the world is better with washers, dryers and dishwashers. But maybe we're not doing the like, the work, the same way to get the result. We're taking, quote, unquote, a shortcut which phones are a little different, because you're talking about socialization, not well that's what I was gonna say.

Speaker 1 28:57

So I was thinking, because, in my opinion, what a dishwasher and a washing machine does is allow for you to have more person-to-person connection.

Speaker 1 29:06

Because you're not spending as much time doing fucking dumb tasks. That's what I mean with phones. Is that it it's eliminating person-to-person time? And I do see it with the younger generation. I don't think they know how to be right, like, like talking, like, yeah, I mean like they have lost some social skills because even just ordering food cause everything's online, like on an app. Now right, like, if something's wrong, you you go tell somebody. I've seen it. I've seen kids be like what can I just put it or can I? And even adults are like if I have to make a phone call and talk to a person, I'm not doing it. Yeah, I want to just make an appointment online. Like we don't know how to be. And you know my feelings on ai.

Speaker 2 29:50

So yes, I do. I mean the flip side is I communicate with way more people in a day than I would if I didn't have a phone Like I'm able to talk with friends way more than if. I only saw you in person, true, all the things we talk about through our phone, I think. I think maybe it hits the hardest on like those day-to-day people, like the people in your family, the school pickups, the neighbors like whatever, where you're not, where you have access to those people a lot.

Speaker 2 30:25

I think it helps out with the people that you're not around all the time, right, yeah, and so if, if, in a world without cell phones I think of all I could name a dozen people right off the top of my head I would probably never talk to.

Speaker 1 30:38

Yeah, I mean, that's a good point, and you couldn't send me the same me twice in one day.

Speaker 2 30:44

And we had texted so much, because I like scrolled up a little. Oh, I guess I didn't send it to everybody what you did.

Speaker 1 30:50

It's so funny. It's so funny.

Speaker 2 30:51

Last night I sent her a meme that was like oh, I could never plead the fifth. I like chit chat too much.

Speaker 1 30:57

Yeah.

Speaker 2 30:57

It's like a cross stitch.

Speaker 1 30:59

Yeah.

Speaker 2 30:59

Like funny, so I sent it to her and then, in the time since, it was like 12 hours later all different stuff just going on in the podcast and all the stuff. And then, if you've all been listening for a while, you know my little life hack, which is to take a screenshot of things I need to do. So I'm going through my screenshots answering emails. I'm like, oh yep, screenshot of an email I need to answer, yada, yada, and the meme is there.

Speaker 1 31:25

So what you need to do, though, is delete the screenshot.

Speaker 2 31:27

I usually do.

Speaker 1 31:29

Oh, okay, I almost immediately do yeah, Like like.

Speaker 2 31:32

I emailed the person, I delete it I got it. I text the person back, I delete it. I make the appointment I delete it yeah. But I guess, cause I was just like it was it was silly yeah. So I'm like oh my God, I didn't send this to her, so I just send it off.

Speaker 1 31:48

She's like thanks you sent me this last night, but thanks again.

Speaker 2 31:50

I was laughing so hard. I was like and then I'm like I did my scroll up Sure enough, and so I'm like I didn't delete the screenshot. And she was like what?

Speaker 1 31:56

I do the screenshot thing. Yeah, I do that too.

Speaker 2 31:58

But yeah, I delete them when I'm done.

Speaker 1 32:00

But I forget, I forget a lot of times to delete them. But I do the screenshot thing, but sometimes I have screenshots and I'm like what is this Like? I don't remember why I took a screenshot of that. If it's like an email, it's obvious. Well, right, you send me this, correct. But if it's like yeah, just like a picture of, and I'm like why do I have a picture of a trash, can I don't know? Or danny sleeping on the floor? Uh, what else do I have? Okay, you might, I might be getting close to the end. Um, I don't really care about that.

Speaker 1 32:34

Oh, did you make it to the part where andy was like trying to get Jack to move back and saying it's the dad? And then he's like he's like well, obviously it's you who wants me to be back. And I'm like yeah, duh, of course she wants you to be back. Like I thought that was just dumb. I was like obviously she wants you to move back Cause your dad's having problems and you're just off living some other life and she misses and you're her brother.

Speaker 2 33:01

Yeah, I don't know, I thought that was. Yeah, that was um weird and unnecessary.

Speaker 1 33:03

Okay, did you make it to the scene where they're sitting around the airbnb and the night with the fire and they're talking about nostalgic smells?

Speaker 2 33:09

no okay.

Speaker 1 33:11

So there's a scene that you'll see because I will say watch it because it's good and because something happens that everything's going wrong in the Airbnb, and so they end up lighting a fire and they're all sitting around and Graham's says the smell of a fire reminds her of like every night in her marriage, because they like whatever would light a fire. So everybody starts talking about, like nostalgic smells. Oh, wow, and everybody had something different. So I was like, oh, we need to talk about nostalgic smells.

Speaker 2 33:43

Yeah, we do. Of course I can't think of anything else. Yeah, we do.

Speaker 1 33:48

Well, like, okay, for instance, Cabbage Patch Kids. Yeah, okay, if I say that you know the smell, yes, I do Right or like Strawberry Shortcake.

Life Without Cell Phones

Speaker 1 33:55

I was going to say you know the smell right, or like strawberry shortcake and like for me it's smelling. You know that? Um pine cone potpourri stuff. That is what reminds me of Christmas, because my mom would either buy these cinnamon candles and this was in the days they didn't have a lot of scented candles until like the early mid nineties, remember like there weren't as many as there are now or she would like literally simmer potpourri on the stove where it's like the cloves and the cinnamon and that's what that pine cone stuff smells like. And we also had like cause this was before like the wax warmers we had like a potpourri warmer you could sit on the stove so it would go all the time I know, I bet that smelled good.

Speaker 1 34:41

Yeah, so that's that's a big christmas smell yeah, I eat.

Speaker 2 34:46

Just like the smell of my grandparents house oh yeah you know, and my parents live in that house now and it's like totally different people, totally different stuff and it still smells, smells the same yeah and and, if I'm so like i've've been places and I'm like wait, your parents live in your grandparents house, so it's not the house I grew up in.

Speaker 2 35:06

Okay, when my grandfather got older he was really independent for a long time, but like he had like cataracts and stuff, so he couldn't drive, so my dad was going over and driving him around a lot and it was around the time my parents were trying to downsize from the family house, so they just moved in with him. Essentially my grandfather said to my dad like the house is like already in your yeah because I have already taken care of all of that.

Speaker 2 35:30

So they just moved in with him and I think they lived with him for two or three years before he passed. Oh, and they were able to like be around him. I think the clincher was he fell and my dad found him same day, thankfully. But it was a couple hours later and then my dad was like you either need to move in with I think he was like you need to move in with us, but my grandfather had lived in that house since 1947. What?

Speaker 1 35:56

See, that's so wild to me because I like, that's not a life I've lived. I mean, I grew up in the house. I we moved into the house I grew up in when I was like one, two, and I stayed there until I graduated, so that was the longest I lived in the house, yeah, but then then my mom moved and then, and then troy's always moved because he was military, like this house we're in now is the longest he's lived somewhere, I think Wow yeah. Maybe almost I moved a lot as a young adult.

Speaker 2 36:30

Even as a kid, we moved a couple of times, and then my teen years we were in the same spot and then I moved.

Speaker 1 36:36

I don't know five or six times as a young adult.

Speaker 2 36:39

And then, yeah, we've been in this house for 14 years. That's wild 14 years now.

Speaker 1 36:45

Yeah.

Speaker 2 36:45

Yeah, same house Great, but anyway.

Speaker 1 36:48

Anyway, yeah, nostalgic smiles. You'll like that scene. Okay, and Bodhi's back, by the way, okay.

Speaker 2 36:53

By the way, okay.

Speaker 1 36:54

Did you see that? No, he comes back in the end.

Speaker 2 36:57

And what's his explanation? They don't say. That's why it's so annoying.

Speaker 1 37:01

Because she mentions it earlier in the episode. Yeah, do you remember that? Yes, okay, and she's like, well, we can't afford it, we can't afford for. And I'm like, well, where is he? Yeah, because I works offshore or anything, or in, like the Navy comes back with no explanation. And they're like oh Bodie, you're back. And he's like I wouldn't miss this. I'm like, but where are you? So I don't understand, I don't understand. Um, also, at the end, this is the last.

Speaker 1 37:34

I thought I was going to take you out in the last bit, like obviously, like it wraps up the the I was gonna say influencer, the travel writer guy ends up liking it there. He says it's homey, blah, blah, blah. And so joey's like asleep on the couch at the end of the day and pacey's still there. So he's like sitting there watching her sleep. Okay, and and I and Dawson's dad had said to him earlier in the episode, like what's, why are you helping so much, or whatever. And this is when you're like oh my God. Yeah, this is when it starts to be like when are they going to hook up? So he's just watching her sleep and I'm like number one, how come everyone sleeping in movies and TV shows looks so damn pretty, right? Nobody drools, nobody's mouth open, nobody's hair is all crazy, everybody's like this All lovely, and they wake up. Lovely, yeah, okay, no, no.

Speaker 2 38:29

I don't think anyone would gaze lovingly at me while I slept.

Speaker 1 38:31

Oh no.

Speaker 2 38:32

I think they would laugh at me.

Speaker 1 38:36

Troy laughs at me sometimes when I'm sleeping. I look crazy. They would laugh at me. Troy laughs at me sometimes when I'm sleeping. I look crazy. And then I also think it's creepy when people watch people sleep. That is not like you're not watching like a baby sleep, because babies, I'm not even a baby fan, but baby sleeping is adorable.

Speaker 2 38:48

It's so cute.

Speaker 1 38:49

It is adorable.

Speaker 2 38:51

And I think puppies are cute.

Speaker 1 38:53

Okay, well, we're talking about people, I know.

Speaker 2 38:54

I'm just saying Sorry, yes, I agree, but babies sleeping, especially if they're all swathed up.

Speaker 1 39:01

Yeah, they're adorable, so cute.

Speaker 2 39:03

Oops, well, that was my phone, okay.

Speaker 1 39:08

But I think it's creepy when people watch people sleep and he's like just sitting there watching her sleep. Do you watch people sleep?

Speaker 2 39:15

No, because I fall asleep before everyone. I think I'll watch Tegan, my little little thing, Do you? I mean, I think, when it's your kids maybe it's a little different. I took a picture of her the other day because my husband wasn't there and she was in his spot and she had on like plaid PJ pants, which are usually like what he wears, and her hair was everywhere.

Speaker 1 39:33

Oh, that's hilarious.

Speaker 2 39:33

And she was like laying with his pillows, and I took a picture and I sent it to him. I was like, is it like looking in a mirror, or? And it was like his side of the? Bed, oh, that's hilarious, so he was like poor kid.

Speaker 1 39:44

That's hilarious. Well, I mean, kid sleeping is different, I guess, but like I don't think I've ever just gazed at Troy sleeping, Maybe you should.

Speaker 1 39:54

I don't want to. I Maybe you should with another friend of ours and he said he woke up after after the moment and she was just sitting there watching him sleep. And he said he was freaked out. And I'm like I would be free if I ever woke up and saw somebody watching me sleep. I would be like, what are you doing? Are you going plotting my murder or like I so you don't think that's weird?

Speaker 2 40:35

No, I'm trying to think. Is it because I watch people sleep?

Speaker 1 40:39

You probably do. You're a creeper. I don't think I do. She's like I watch everybody in my house sleep. I alternate. That's why I hit up that floor, so I can make it Room to room.

Speaker 2 40:50

Watch the dog sleep too. It's fine.

Speaker 1 40:52

I love how I said people and you immediately were like I think it's cute to watch dogs sleep.

Speaker 2 40:59

But it is, it's so cute.

Speaker 1 41:04

I don't think it's cute to watch dogs sleep.

Speaker 2 41:05

Okay, well, that's fair. Cats, yes, babies, of course Babies, was that it? Yes, that's all I have. Okay, yeah.

Nostalgic Smells and Sleeping Gazes

Speaker 1 41:11

Cool, cool. I mean you do do need to watch the end, because you'll like that one fire scene and then you'll see the creepy sleep gazing and then yeah okay, sounds good.

Speaker 2 41:21

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Speaker 1 41:34

Look, I just keep sprinkling.

Speaker 2 41:44

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Speaker 2 42:02

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Speaker 1 42:03

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Speaker 2 42:04

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