Xennial Girl Summer: American Pie Rewatch

Xennial Girl Summer Movie Edition is back with a late 90's classic: American Pie. Katie and Dani revisit this iconic teen comedy that set the standard for teen comedies of the era. Beyond the raunchier scenes that earned its R-rating, they explore how the film balances crude humor with genuinely touching moments about friendship, vulnerability and the painful awkwardness of growing up.

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Welcome to Zennial Girl Summer

Speaker 1 0:01

Hello listeners and welcome back to our Zennial Girl Summer movie edition. Yay, yes, I'm Katie and I'm Dani, and normally here on Generation In Between, we relearn, revisit and remember, Remember, remember all sorts of things from being 80s kids and 90s teens, and so the movie we're talking about today is kind of pushing closer to a young adulthood. Yeah, I was in college.

Speaker 2 0:32

Yeah, I was at the end of my high school years and that movie is American Pie. Yes, I was jamming to the soundtrack on the way here.

Speaker 1 0:40

I have some stuff on the soundtrack.

Speaker 2 0:41

It's really good, so good.

Speaker 1 0:43

Some of the best songs in it aren't on the official soundtrack though. Oh really, yeah, Like James Lade isn't on there.

Speaker 2 0:50

Oh true.

Speaker 1 0:51

There's one or two other, the Barenaked Ladies. One Week isn't on there.

Speaker 2 0:54

Yeah, well, okay, so here's a fun fact. Yeah, if you go on Apple Music, you know how, like, you try soundtrack and sometimes they don't have all the songs there. So I went on Spotify and somebody made a playlist with all the songs, so it was on that. So, thank you.

Speaker 1 1:14

Random listener on Spotify, I thought you meant like that listener listens to us also.

Speaker 2 1:19

Oh yeah, well, I don't know, maybe they do, if that was you listener, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 1:23

I don't remember what their they do, and that was you listener, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 1:25

I don't remember what their username was, but it was on there.

Speaker 1 1:29

So I have all sorts of things, so I have obviously a summary. We're going to talk about the actors a bit Okay, because this was definitely a breakout film for a lot of them. I cannot wait to talk about this, yeah, and then I also have just a little bit of like cultural conversation and criticism about the movie at the time and now, and then you know how, for books, we've been looking up book club discussion questions, what.

Speaker 2 1:53

Do they have?

Speaker 1 1:54

them for movies. There are discussion questions. For this one, oh Lord, I found like 20. And some of them I already had covered in my notes that we were going to talk about, so I picked a few. But what are they for? Just to, oh my God, do people have movie clubs Like they have book clubs? I actually have no idea. It looked like it might've been for a class, like a film class.

Speaker 2 2:15

I can't.

Speaker 1 2:15

Imagine watching that for a class. I mean I guess sociology class or something.

Speaker 2 2:19

There's all kinds of things that applies to you, but no but it was.

Speaker 1 2:23

It was like critical thinking discussion questions.

Speaker 2 2:26

Critical thinking in American pie yes, okay.

Speaker 1 2:30

You'll see I can't, so hopefully we make it to those.

Speaker 2 2:32

Okay, so before we start with your research, did you watch this by yourself?

Speaker 1 2:36

Yes, oh, bummer.

Speaker 2 2:38

You. She watched it early in the morning again.

Speaker 1 2:39

Well, also, like my husband's been dog sitting and he wasn't home and I'm not, I could wash it, maybe with my teens, but I was, oh, no, oh awkward.

Speaker 2 2:51

No, I mean like no, that would have been.

Speaker 1 2:54

I watched it alone, did you?

Speaker 2 2:56

No, troy and I watched it. Okay, we watched it the other night and here's a funny, like middle-aged lady facts. So I was like, hey, well, first of all, middle-aged people in general fact. Then a middle-aged lady fact. So I said, troy, I got to watch this just a couple of nights ago. I was like I got to watch American pie. Do you want to watch it? And he was like yeah, and I was like, okay, um, well, we got, I got to watch it, like like tonight.

Speaker 2 3:19

Well, we had both like worked out, we both need a shower. And he's like, well, it's like eight o'clock, it's like, and I got a shower. And you and I was like, I know, right, cause you like wait too long to start a movie. And it's a work night where everybody's get up Well, not everybody, because the kids don't get up early right now, but grownups in the house have to get up early, namely Troy, cause I don't have any early morning people right now. And, um, I was like, well, it's okay, we'll get it, we'll get, we'll get to it. And I was like, remember, this is a teen comedy from the nineties. It's not super long, like it's not like a three hour movie.

Speaker 1 3:52

In fact, when it was like coming to the end, I was like it's over. Wow.

Speaker 2 3:57

Yeah. So then the second funny part is I was like well Cooper's, like, are y'all watching it I've talked about this before Downstairs on our big TV in the living room, because my house has like an open floor plan so there are certain things we don't want to watch in that room where just anybody can wander through, because it's like the kitchen, the living room, it's all open and the bedrooms are, you know, right there and we're like, oh no, we're not watching that. Where you can just wander in at any time, can just wander in at any time. That'd be awkward for everyone, yeah so so we watched it upstairs and are like in Troy's man cave, slash my workout area.

Speaker 2 4:31

But I was super sore that day from just workout and everything. So I was like I need to lay here and stretch the entire movie. I was stretching or just, you know, sometimes you're so stiff. Just laying on the floor flat feels so good on your back, awesome. And like the idea of sitting on a cushy couch just sounded like torture, you know. And so I was either stretching or just laying straight back on the floor and we're done with the movie, and my husband's, like you, watched the whole movie on the floor. So we had a very lovely middle age viewing party, making sure we were done before 1030 and that you were adequately stretched, stretched and grounded, and your mobility was peak, peak mobility.

Speaker 2 5:22

So you watched it by yourself. Did you watch it super early?

Speaker 1 5:24

Yeah, I watched it by myself, I watched it super early. I actually watched it out on our sofa bed because a kid had pulled it out and just not put it back yet watching something, and I was like you know what I'm going to go because there's a big TV in that room. So I'm like I'm going to go watch it in there. Okay, good for you and I did, and it was enjoyable.

Speaker 2 5:42

What time was it?

American Pie Soundtrack Deep Dive

Speaker 1 5:44

I think I started at 445. But I was, I was, I guess, what I didn't do. I didn't pay for it on Prime. Hey because it's on.

Speaker 2 5:55

Paramount. Oh see, we don't have Paramount, so we did have to rent it.

Speaker 1 5:59

Yep, so I searched it up first and I was watching.

Speaker 2 6:02

Well, I'm proud of you like an ad break oh well, that's okay though not too many. I paid a dollar fifty. Okay, we had a promo credit.

Speaker 1 6:11

I love it. Oh, I love that.

Speaker 2 6:13

I can't believe you watch I first of all. I can't imagine waking up at 4 30 by Joyce and then a second. I can't imagine watching somebody hump a pie on a kitchen counter at 4 30 in the morning.

Speaker 1 6:26

I'll be honest, I didn't watch that scene closely Like when it was happening.

Speaker 2 6:28

Well, it's hard to miss it.

Speaker 1 6:30

I was just. I just kind of like I don't know pet my dog or something and I have to remember.

Speaker 2 6:35

When we get to that scene, remind me to say I remember it differently and we'll talk about it.

Speaker 1 6:39

Okay, sounds good to me Did Sounds good to me.

Speaker 2 6:40

Did you watch the rated version or unrated?

Speaker 1 6:43

It must have been rated.

Speaker 2 6:44

Because ours was unrated and so I'm curious if it was different in yours. So we'll talk about it. When we get there, we'll talk about it. Let's not rush that scene, okay, let's not rush it. We shouldn't Cool, okay, so if you have not seen it or it's been a while since you've seen it. This is the summary.

Speaker 1 7:03

Oh, I can't wait to hear the summary. Let's go Of American Pie. Set in suburban Michigan, american Pie follows a group of four awkward but well-meaning high school friends Jim, kevin, oz and Finch as they make a pact to lose their virginity before prom night. Okay.

Speaker 2 7:20

Michigan, huh.

Speaker 1 7:22

Yeah, I knew that we got a lot of.

Speaker 2 7:26

Midwest things happening in fictional movies and books and such tv shows.

Speaker 1 7:29

Can I admit I forgot that that was the plot point that they made the pact. To what? That's the whole movie I just when I think about the movie. I guess I just didn't think about that. I was just like, oh, all these shenanigans happened to these guys.

Speaker 2 7:42

I don't know pretty much if it's teenage boys in any movie, it's about somebody about sex in some way.

Speaker 1 7:47

Yeah that's true. But then when they had that scene where they're talking about it and like in the diner, that's so funny. Yeah, you forgot that oh yeah, it's an actual thing. It's not just like I guess in my head over the years it had had transformed to. It just kind of follows their sex lives.

Speaker 2 8:07

Did you see any of the sequels? Because the sequels are different, so maybe you're just getting them all entangled.

Speaker 1 8:12

I saw the one where it's like summer break and they live in a house.

Speaker 2 8:16

Well, they had a sequel Excuse me, golly, they had a sequel. And then they had an American wedding. I really liked that one, him and that chick got married. And then they had an American wedding where him really liked that, him and that shit got married. And then, michelle, they had another one, yeah, and then then they kept having more and more and more, but they didn't have the same people yes, yeah, that's right because when we pulled it up there was like 12 movies and I was like okay, like maybe let it die guys it's okay, so you forgot that's hilarious.

Speaker 2 8:45

I forgot that part.

Speaker 1 8:45

Okay, I was watching it, which was really funny. So, oh sorry, there's even more oh. Each character sets out on a clumsy, cringeworthy and hilarious journey toward manhood, love and self-discovery, with widely different results. Their quest is filled with embarrassing moments, unexpected romantic turns and more than a few missteps involving pastries, web cameras and strict parents. Was that AI generated or was that? I don't think so. I got it off.

Speaker 2 9:14

IMDB Okay yeah, that's so funny.

Speaker 1 9:17

Strict parents who had the strict parents? They were like no parents.

Speaker 2 9:22

The dad, Jim's dad is my freaking fate. I love him. I love him and I appreciate him so much more. Eugene Levy, you're a treasure, Canadian treasure.

Speaker 1 9:30

So good. One of the critical questions is about him. I just freaking love him.

Speaker 2 9:36

And it's before we start. Wasn't it funny watching it as a parent of teenagers.

Speaker 1 9:41

In fact, there was one scene that made me really sad. Do you know, the one I'm thinking of Made you sad, where they're going to different colleges and they break up, because I was thinking about our kids.

Speaker 2 9:54

Oh well, I didn't even think about that. I kept thinking about how awkward moments are when you find things you don't want to find. When you find things you don't want to find and it's always usually like I can think I'm not going to blast either of my children on here with those kinds of things, but I can think of several times I look at Troy and be like tag, you're it. I cannot tag out on this one, but there's been plenty. I've had to deal with that and like super awkward and I just thought the dad was chef's kiss, yeah.

Speaker 1 10:28

Hilarious. Yeah, exactly Like trying his best to be approachable, but also it's like making the awkwardness so much worse.

Speaker 2 10:41

Gives him the porn and there he's like and this one is called shaved and you can see the camera angle is focused I know it's like, so matter of fact about it. And then poor jim is like yep, dad, yep, I see it.

Speaker 1 10:56

Great thanks, thanks close it up, close it up, get on my I know, I know he was great. I loved him um okay. So american pie was. It was a summer movie, okay, 1999.

Speaker 2 11:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 11:09

And it was directed and co directed by brothers Paul Weitz and Chris Weitz, but it was written by someone named Adam hers and he says it was based on his own high school experiences and like whatever with his friends.

Speaker 2 11:21

I want to know if the pie things real and like whatever with his friends.

Speaker 1 11:24

I want to know if the pie thing's real Me too.

Speaker 2 11:26

I don't know if I know, because even Troy and I talked about that. I was like, I mean, boys do some weird things when they're figuring sexuality out, but that was.

Speaker 1 11:36

That's pretty far, but I mean, hey, the only thing harmed, I guess, was a pie.

Speaker 2 11:42

Well, I just thought, well, I got to wait. I keep jumping ahead. I'm so excited to talk about this movie.

Speaker 1 11:46

So it did have a budget of $11 million Dang, but it made over $235 million.

Speaker 2 11:52

Holy smokes, I remember going to see it, do you? Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 11:56

And I thought it was great.

Speaker 2 11:58

Oh, yeah, so did I.

Speaker 1 12:06

And and it had an R rating which it almost had, an NC seven, which probably the unrated maybe is that version, because they had to recut the um pie scene to make it rated R.

Speaker 2 12:12

Well, okay, Since we're there, let's talk about it. And the one, I the one. What I remember him with the pie was he was standing up and you saw his butt.

Speaker 1 12:24

I remember that's what I saw this time too.

Speaker 2 12:28

He was standing up and had the pie in the butt. The one we watched, which this? I was like I swear I remember this different, and the reason why is because my roommate one of my roommates at the time had a huge crush on Jason Biggs, anyway. So she like loved that because she saw his cheeks. But anyway, I won't put your name on blast either, my friend, the one we saw. He was laying on the kitchen counter and humping the pie.

Speaker 1 12:54

That must be the MC7, because I don't remember that either.

Speaker 2 12:58

You still saw his cheeks Right, but he was laid out on the counter. Oh my God, literally humping the counter, oh my God. Literally humping the pie. Wow, that's where we're like. Okay, Like the windows are open, Like the front door is right there, You're just going to lay on the counter. I mean Trey goes, I mean he could have taken it to his room, I guess. Right, Like, I guess.

Speaker 1 13:23

Shut the door or something.

Speaker 2 13:24

I mean that would make more sense and then be like, oh, I ate the pie. But like we're trying to make sense, I know, but it's supposed to be stupid At its core. It makes sense.

Speaker 1 13:31

I know I know it's supposed to be dumb, but you're totally right.

Speaker 2 13:34

Okay. So that's, interesting but I mean he's doing the same thing. I kind of get it, though I feel is it because of it's more explicit yeah, I think so like you, just see his not that you can't know what he's doing.

Speaker 1 13:52

Do that standing up. But yeah, probably I mean it was, it was a lot.

Speaker 2 13:58

Yeah, I think it was more and then I was like god, that poor actor, like I don't know, I would do some dumb shit, like for to do a show or a movie or something. But I don't know if I could hump a pie on screen. I don't think I could. I think I would have when I was his age. Yeah, because I've been like whatever, I don't care, but now I'd be like I might get an infection. I don't want to do that. I might get an infection.

Speaker 1 14:21

I don't want to do that. That seems very bacteria laden. Give me a rash, yeah, I don't want to do that. No thanks. Yeah, I mean, and that was so. He was an established actor by then. For other reasons he was actually when we get into a little more about him he was actually nominated for a daytime Emmy. For what? When he was 12, he nominated for a daytime emmy.

Speaker 2 14:47

For what? When he was 12, he was on, I believe, general hospital. I would say the soap opera.

Speaker 1 14:49

Yeah, wow, he'd been acting like really since he was young and like pretty good actor. So I don't know if him saying yes to like a scene like that is that he was just a really good actor and like that's fine, that's what my well, he was young too, like, or if he's just like that's funny sure I mean or pay me, I don't care I mean, he did, he did a lot of funny shit.

Speaker 2 15:10

That was ridiculous. The dancing was the best. His dancing, oh my gosh, I love it the best so so good, so quickly.

Speaker 1 15:19

We'll touch on the soundtrack okay, the official ones. We have third eye blind yes, new girl tonic you wanted more blink 182, mud, sugar ray, glory, super transatlantic, super down. I don't know if I know that one.

Speaker 2 15:35

I don't know the one that I sing out, the one that I sing all the time is that blink 182, and because that's the one that goes, she's up, up and waiting for more you know that one yeah. And I don't know the rest of it, and that's how I sing the rest of the song.

Speaker 1 15:57

Yeah, yeah, gotcha, uh, did I say dishwalla, dishwalla, find your way back, yeah.

Speaker 2 16:01

They're so good. I've seen like three of them at a 90s music fest. Really, Dishwalla was there, Tonic was there and Blink-182 was there. Dang I thought that was good, was it? Yeah, anyway, keep going.

Speaker 1 16:14

Okay, Good Morning, Baby Dan Wilson and Bick Runga. I don't know who that is.

Speaker 2 16:18

That I don't know. I don't remember them.

Speaker 1 16:19

Shades Apart Number number one offspring want you bad the offspring.

Speaker 2 16:28

Excuse me, I don't like the offspring, just in general, I just thought they, I just always thought they were obnoxious sounding that's fair, that's totally fair, I just I have no, no valid reason, which is no reason.

Speaker 1 16:36

They're obnoxious um the loose nuts wishing. I don't know that one either.

Speaker 2 16:42

Look, I was like the soundtrack's banging. I'm like I don't know what that. It's like those songs. I don't know the title either. I was like the soundtrack's banging. I'm like I don't know what that is. It's like those songs. I don't know the title or who sings it, but when you hear it you know it.

Speaker 1 16:50

Or you know, like I'll hear a song and I'll immediately think of a movie scene. It was from. Yes, I'll be like oh, that reminds me of Forrest Gump.

Speaker 2 16:58

Because the song I was just singing is. It's a song he hears when he's running from his house to his friend's house to watch Nadia on the computer, and then he hears it again when he's running back to join in the fun.

Speaker 1 17:09

That's the one Bare Naked Ladies was on the official. But for Say what you Say, yeah. And then Into the Mystic by Van Morrison and then other notable songs used in the movie, not on the album Laid by james, which is like such a good song and mrs robinson.

Speaker 2 17:32

Mrs robinson, flagpole sita. Yeah, that song I was. That's harvey danger yeah yeah, I was jamming it out on the way here.

Speaker 1 17:40

And then here's to the night in an Eve Six song, and they did use that in later sequels as well. So Cool, cool, okay. So on to the cast Jason Bix.

Speaker 2 17:51

Yes.

Speaker 1 17:51

Jim Levenstein. Jim he is a Zennial. He was born in 78.

Speaker 2 17:56

Okay.

Speaker 1 17:58

And he began acting as a child. As I said, he was on the soap opera. Oh, excuse me, the soap opera. Oh, excuse me the soap opera as the World.

Speaker 2 18:03

Turns. How dare you?

Speaker 1 18:05

Which I don't think is still on.

Middle-Aged Viewing Experiences

Speaker 2 18:07

Girl I don't be knowing. All I knew was Young and the Restless, because my grandma watched that, like cray my mom watched Days of Our Lives. I watched that in college.

Speaker 1 18:15

And I can still turn that on and know what's going on, because it's the same families.

Speaker 2 18:19

Are you?

Speaker 1 18:19

serious the Bradys and the I can't think of the other ones, but yeah, a lot of the same characters are there.

Speaker 2 18:25

Remember when they had the whole possession storyline With Hope? No, it wasn't Hope, it was, oh, marlena. Marlena was possessed and for like a whole summer, everybody was like entranced by this dumbass possessed lady on this soap. Oh my, my god and that was like there in the early 90s, maybe, probably, maybe the mid what a weird time what a weird time.

Speaker 1 18:54

Uh, okay, so saving, so other things he's known for saving silverman yeah of that movie, my best friend's girl, uh. And then he also voiced leonardo in the teenage mutant ninja turtles animated series oh, 2012.

Speaker 2 19:08

We're talking about cory feldman.

Speaker 1 19:09

He was also a turtle voice, but in the movie in the movie and then he was on orange is new black I've never watched that show.

Speaker 2 19:16

Oh, you like it, I know I mean you will.

Speaker 1 19:19

It's still like a bummer, because it's like I know prison, yeah, you get to know them and like them and you're like, oh, but it's written really well and he's really good at it what does he do in it? His girlfriend is in jail, his fiancee okay, and so he's kind of like the dutiful boyfriend for a few seconds, but then his storyline kind of turns.

Speaker 2 19:39

Don't tell me I won't, I'll watch it one day. It's on my never ending list of shit I need to watch it when you start watching you'll be like hooked.

Speaker 1 19:45

Okay, okay, so then we had Alison Hannigan who was. Michelle, the band camp girl. Yes, she was born in 74 and she also began acting as a kid at age four. Wow she started doing TV commercials and then moved to Los Angeles to pursue it full time at age 11.

Speaker 2 20:02

Man, these parents are nice.

Speaker 1 20:04

Mm-hmm, because I'd be like, sorry, yeah, at age 11. So, okay, so in 88, so she would have been 14. She was in my Stepmother is an Alien alongside. Oh my god, yes.

Speaker 2 20:18

I remember that. Yeah, because Kim Basinger was the stepmom. She was in that movie. Is it Basinger or Basinger? Is it Kim Basinger was the stepmom? She was in that movie. Is it Basinger or Basinger?

Speaker 1 20:27

Kim Basinger? I don't know, kim Basinger.

Speaker 2 20:30

Because you know I always be saying shit wrong, so it ain't me.

Speaker 1 20:33

I'm not saying it the same way.

Speaker 2 20:35

I know You're saying it four different ways. Which way is it? I don't know.

Speaker 1 20:39

Okay, we'll look that up next time. We will next time. But then she had her breakout role, buffy the Vampire.

Speaker 2 20:43

Slayer yes, she was Willow.

Speaker 1 20:45

She was Willow and she was Buffy's best friend and one of the first major LGBTQ plus characters played on network television. And then she, after American Pie and after Buffy, played Lily Aldrin, a sweet, feisty, funny kindergarten teacher. On how I Met your Mother.

Speaker 2 21:02

See, I never watched that show either. She was good on that show, and that's one that I feel like I missed because it was like at a weird time of life or something Like, were we having kids then I don't know, probably somewhere around there.

Speaker 1 21:14

I didn't like religiously watch it, but it was one that my husband liked and my father-in-law also liked. So, like sometimes, we would just like if he was over we would watch it with him. So I kind of picked up on the storyline.

Speaker 2 21:27

Yeah, I missed out on that and Big Bang Theory.

Speaker 1 21:28

Okay.

Speaker 2 21:29

Did you watch that one ever?

Speaker 1 21:30

Same thing, like not religiously myself, but it was on like when yeah, I've never watched this. A lot of people have and I'm sure there's something to this problems with how I Met your Mother, particularly for Neil Patrick Harris' character.

Speaker 2 21:48

You're supposed to not like him?

Speaker 1 21:48

Barney, and that is his name, yeah because he's a womanizer, but it still kind of shows tactics of womanizing and glamorizes it in a way, even though the other characters are like oh, Barney, you're terrible, but like every time. But isn't that like every show?

Speaker 2 22:05

He's got like a scheme from that time, yeah yeah, but I don't know, I've never watched it, so I haven't. I have no um, but that one.

Speaker 1 22:12

Okay, well, that's good to know yeah, because they were all kind of like their whole thing was they were sexually awkward. The big bang theory right right right, whereas, yeah, barney was just, I don't know, sociopath or something, something I don't know cool.

Speaker 2 22:26

All right, moving on, sean william scott as, oh god stifler's the best stifler stands the test of time I just and you know why it is because as soon as he came on, like troy are dying, we're like yes, and I said, the reason why he's so funny is because everybody knew at least one person who was Stifler. Yes, everybody, tori and I could think of two at least. Yeah, exactly Like one. We both knew. So like it was like you know, he my favorite is how he would think suck me beautiful.

Speaker 1 23:07

Like the whole time after you heard about Oz's encounter.

Speaker 2 23:11

He just did not let anybody, let it go Nobody off the hook.

Speaker 1 23:14

He was going to make you embarrassed.

Speaker 2 23:16

He was going to say what he wanted to say and he's just terrible, which is why he's hilarious.

Speaker 1 23:20

Which is why he's funny, because he's, yeah, unapologetically terrible.

Speaker 2 23:23

Yeah.

Speaker 1 23:24

So his backstory was interesting to me. He grew up in Minnesota, one of seven children.

Speaker 2 23:32

Woo.

Speaker 1 23:33

And then he moved to Los Angeles after high school to pursue acting To like make it out. There he worked at Home Depot. Oh, where did my notes just go. Uh-oh Tech problems, but I saw that taco bell app yeah, it was talking about interrupting me and like, it's dinner time, lady. Oh, we're back, okay, but now I'm gonna have taco bell on the brain, okay me too at home depot and then he was in a few commercials, including a sunny delight ad okay but afteriffler, and then he was in the sequels, of course, like that was his breakout role, and then he was in a whole bunch, was he?

Speaker 2 24:09

in Road Trip. He was in Road.

Speaker 1 24:11

Trip, which was in 2000. He was in Dude. Where's my Car?

Speaker 2 24:14

Oh my God, With what's his face? Ashton, ashton Kutcher yeah, like we're on a first name basis.

Speaker 1 24:21

No Road trip, yes Evolution, which was a sci-fi comedy with David Duchovny. I don't remember that one. What the Rundown with Dwayne the Rock Johnson. Okay, I'm assuming these were not blockbuster hits Must not have been, or at least they didn't stand the test of time. And then he was in Role Models, which was a critically acclaimed comedy with Paul Rudd. Never seen that one either. What is?

Speaker 2 24:46

wrong with us today? We're like we don't know. We don't know what that is, we don't know anything but here's one.

Speaker 1 24:51

He was also the voice of Crash in Ice Age from 2000.

Speaker 2 24:53

Oh, that's great. I didn't know that either. That's fun.

Speaker 1 25:00

I love cartoon voice surprises.

Speaker 2 25:01

That super fun so how ironic to be known as stifler and also crash.

Speaker 1 25:10

Also, I'm an animated ice age character, okay, so chris klein, chris klein I was always in oz stan because he's hot, maybe everyone is, but yes, hot, athletic, all the things. So after this, well, the same year that american pie came out, he was in an election with yes and he dated katie holmes yes yeah, I remember that he did, and he was in rollerball in 2002 with lo cool j and then he was actually in the war drama.

Speaker 1 25:39

We were soldiers, oh, mel gibson didn't realize that, yeah and a few others on here, and then he's been on a bunch of different like tv shows for different things, including right now he's presently on sweet magnolias, which is on netflix it's been on since 2020 um. In fact, a local girl from brevard is on that show I've never watched that because it gives me like.

Speaker 2 26:03

when I see snippets of it, I'm like eh, that looks kind of Gilmore girly and that's not my scene, that's not my scene.

Speaker 1 26:09

I think it is yeah, yeah, I'll stay away, but he's on there, he's good for him.

Speaker 2 26:12

Yeah, good for him.

Speaker 1 26:13

Does he still look?

Speaker 2 26:15

I think, he's one of those people who's probably timeless timeless like Joshua Jackson. Yeah, chris Klein and Joshua Jackson, he's another one that you could probably think of somebody he reminds you of Cause Troy's like who does he look like? I said I think he's just one of those people. Yeah, I agree with you, you know.

Movie Summary and Cast Breakdown

Speaker 1 26:32

Yeah, I agree. And then his like attitude to like just reminds you of somebody. Yeah, you, you know yeah then thomas ian nicholas was kevin, yeah kevin and he was pretty well established for this movie. Rookie of the year.

Speaker 2 26:46

Yeah, that's what I was gonna.

Speaker 1 26:48

That's what we knew him for yeah hitting king arthur's court which was 95, uh, and then he was in halloween resurrection in 2002 and he is still working on indie films and he's a producer. Okay, so he stayed in the industry.

Speaker 2 27:02

All right.

Speaker 1 27:02

Kevin, then Eddie K, thomas, paul Finch was in Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle. Oh my, God yes. And then he was in another one called Venus in Vegas.

Speaker 2 27:16

Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 27:19

And then he is the voice of Barry Robinson on American dad.

Speaker 2 27:22

Okay, well, that's fine, I can hear it. I like cartoon voice, surprise things. I know, that's neat.

Speaker 1 27:29

Tara Reed.

Speaker 2 27:31

Oh yeah, I told her. I said what happened to her. He's like well, remember, she had some like problems. I was like oh yeah, she had some like problems. I was like oh yeah, I forgot about that, some like substance, yeah, and mental health issues.

Speaker 1 27:42

She's kind of out of the spotlight now but, I think, doing well.

Speaker 2 27:45

But I forgot that before this movie she was in the big lebowski so she was kind of already known and then she was everywhere after this, everywhere josie and the pussycat. Yeah, she was everywhere van wilder movies, in which there are a bunch my Boss's Daughter.

Speaker 1 28:02

That's another one with Ashton. Remember that one, yeah.

Speaker 2 28:04

Yeah, and she was just one of those blonde pretty.

Speaker 1 28:09

Kind of like I Can See your Face from Varsity Blues. What's her name? I Can See your Face and Can't Think of Her.

Speaker 2 28:18

Name oh, allie Larder. Allie Larder, yeah, she was one of those. Yeah, but she has that unique voice. So does Natasha Lyonne, who is also.

Speaker 1 28:26

I love Natasha Lyonne and she's in orange and black too, and she's on that other show. Um, oh my gosh, she can't even name it. She's in a big show right now.

Speaker 2 28:34

I just heard a interview with her with um Amy Poehler on Amy Poehler's podcast and I could just listen to her talk all fucking day her voice.

Speaker 1 28:42

It's just so unique and it's the best, so good, uh, mina savari yeah I just kept hearing flowers in the attic every time she opened her mouth. Uh, listeners, because I listened to her read that audiobook for zennial girl summer, same year that this came out. She was in the critically acclaimed american beauty.

Speaker 1 29:02

There's so many problems in that movie ouch uh, she's been in day of the dead loser. Sugar and spice spun. Never heard of any of those, wow. But then there's shannon elizabeth nadia. She was in scary Movie in 2000. After this this was kind of her breakout role too. She was known as a model I mean breakout for sure Breakout all the nude and all the things. All the things. So she was in Scary Movie Jay and Silent Bob strike back in 2001.

Speaker 2 29:36

That's right.

Speaker 1 29:38

And then she was briefly in Love Actually. Yeah, and then she has briefly in Love Actually, yeah, and then she has also made a ton of guest appearances on things like that 70s Show, and she was also on Dancing with the Stars. Okay, all right, which?

Speaker 2 29:48

I could see oh yeah, I mean she's a model. Obviously I forgot how hot she was, obviously because that's not what I was looking at in that movie. I was looking at Oz and when she took her clothes off I was like I mean, yeah, obviously she's a model. Nobody in high school looks like that and most adults don't look like in the world. I was like okay, like come on.

Speaker 1 30:15

Yeah, yeah, in a jealous way.

Speaker 2 30:18

Like I'm not shaming her. I'm not shaming her, I'm not shaming her, I'm saying come on and face correct. Like her face is gorgeous so it's, yeah, she's in that like point zero, zero, zero, one percent of people in that porky shower scene.

Speaker 1 30:31

Yeah, she's in that group well, except they are.

Speaker 2 30:35

That was in the 70s, so she wasn't oh right wouldn't have been shaved, like her famous line true, I take it back. She couldn't have been in the porky, but I had to put the razor blades cut from porkies saved you there, okay.

Speaker 1 30:51

So fun facts and fun facts. We already talked about the pie scene. It almost got that nc-17. It almost got the entire movie an NC-17 rating, so they had to recut it.

Speaker 2 31:02

I want to know, because I thought that it had to do with like nudity moments Seeing the body part and you still see the same part. You don't see his wiener. I know you hate that.

Speaker 1 31:16

I would laugh when you say that oh, I can't like you, don't you just see his butt?

Speaker 2 31:23

I guess it's just, I guess it's just more detailed action must be.

Speaker 1 31:30

I didn't, I guess I didn't look too deeply on that, but I would guess, yes, that it was too too much like simulating the act, maybe in that one.

Speaker 2 31:41

I don't know who knows. Ratings are weird.

Speaker 1 31:43

Ratings are strange, they're weird how they have qualifications Okay, sean William Scott Stifler was only paid $8,000 for this movie.

Speaker 2 31:51

What.

Speaker 1 31:52

Which I would take $8,000,. But I'm just saying yeah.

Speaker 2 31:55

I mean surely he's gotten more sense Of course, yeah.

Speaker 1 31:58

I mean, surely he's gotten more sense. Of course, yeah, I mean it obviously Wow. That was his initial like be in our movie, we'll pay you $8,000. Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 32:13

And then we know already this but Allison Hannigan's this one time at band camp line became an instant catchphrase. I mean, even now, even now, like I can think couldn't. When my kid started in marching band and he had to go to band camp, that's all I could think of in my brain. And now he's old enough for me to be like oh yeah, you should watch this movie. Yeah, which he doesn't care about this movie, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 32:31

But Right, same. Thing.

Speaker 2 32:34

Yeah, and my daughter's like very talkative and she'd get back from band camp and be like.

Speaker 1 32:44

And then at band camp and you're like dying on the inside, we played the snare drum and I'm like, oh, okay. And then at band camp I got my hat and I was just like oh and see, caden is the opposite.

Speaker 2 32:52

You say how was your day? Fine so there you go, you're not gonna he never had a one time a band camp.

Speaker 1 32:58

That's really funny. Okay, so the script was originally titled Sort of Untitled teenage sex comedy that can be made for under 10 million, which was a joke by the writer. Like he's brainstorming what's an untitled teen sex? Movie I can make for under 10 million and that was the title for a bit and that's awful for a while.

Speaker 2 33:24

That's horrible.

Speaker 1 33:26

It's awful, so obviously that wasn't what it was when it came out. You said sorta, and I'm like how do you sorta be the name and sorta not, because I mean, but I get it. Yeah, so the film was shot in just six weeks, not in Dang, mostly in California. Yeah, six weeks, it's pretty fast. Let's see, the cast has remained friends throughout filming and years later, during sequels and press tours. Most of them are still like good friends.

Speaker 2 33:54

I love that. I love that too.

Speaker 1 33:55

I love that too. It was one of the first R-rated teen comedies to reach massive box office success in like the late 90s, mid to late 90s, because, like Clueless wasn't R-rated Right Like the R-rated ones.

Speaker 2 34:13

Well, because you didn't have them, I feel like like remember how we said Porky's was the American Pie of its generation? Yeah, because I feel like you had Porky's and then their sequels or whatever, and Porky's was like like remember how we said porkies was the american pie of its generation.

Speaker 2 34:20

Yeah, because I feel like you had porkies and then their sequels, or what, and porkies was a big hit and then their sequels, and then you had like, you had like some fast times at regimont high, but but those were not and we're watching that next, that's our next one.

Speaker 1 34:32

We you already watched, I already watched. I think I have to watch it again did you forget?

Speaker 2 34:36

yeah, but it's okay, that's okay but even then I probably should re-watch it uh, because I think that they're probably I can't remember if there had been anything this like quote unquote, raunchy, because everybody's definition of what that is changes?

Speaker 1 34:53

but I don't think so. I don't. It had been a while, it had been a bit.

Speaker 2 34:57

it had been a while. I think it had been a bit. It had been a while since we had one, I mean with lots of nudity and lots of sex. And like literally every plot point is sex based Is totally about like the whole movie. Yeah, I agree the funny thing was watching. This was more fun to me than watching Porky's.

Speaker 1 35:17

Me too, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 35:20

But it's not. I feel like there's parts of this that were way worse.

Speaker 1 35:24

Yeah.

Speaker 2 35:25

But I think, because we have that nostalgia piece of where we were in life when we watched it, that it and we knew well, I mean, I had seen Porky's, so I knew I was coming and I had seen it younger too, but I and it was like our generation, like it happened during our teen years, yeah, so maybe that's why.

The Infamous Pie Scene

Speaker 1 35:48

I'm sure, I'm sure why, and seeing ourselves in, like the clothes they were wearing and the music, and like remembering that, like that's how, like like the scene with the webcam. For him to see what's happening on the webcam, he literally has to go somewhere else. Like you don't with a computer you don't just go to your laptop like yeah no, you have to, like go run down the street to your friend's house, right?

Speaker 1 36:15

so it just all of that nostalgia. And then for me, like the midway, like his house, looked like my house oh sure, like you know, like sure that part of it, too, was very yeah like nostalgic as well. So I think yeah, and that's what we talk about on nostalgic or problematic. I know sometimes the nostalgia kind of puts a little bit of a glaze on it.

Speaker 2 36:35

Well, since we're talking about the webcam, let's go ahead and get that out of the way. Let's talk about that whole scene okay because that, like troy and I were talking about it and we were saying that movie still holds up, like we, we still enjoyed it, like it was still fun, still funny yes, that one scene where he's pretty much breaking the law, videoing someone against their own will, but also, the most preposterous thing, that she's just changing clothes and wanders around what and then gets, gets out porn and starts masturbating.

Speaker 1 37:20

Right, was that in yours? Yeah, that was.

Speaker 2 37:22

Okay, okay, I wasn't sure because I was in the unrated, because I'm like I don't remember that happening. But then I was like, oh well, yeah, duh, because then he comes back Right Like Nadia, but obviously it's supposed to be outlandish, so don't come for me.

Speaker 1 37:36

I know, so don't come for me. I know and maybe that's why it it didn't feel at the time and even re-watching it doesn't feel super predatory, even though it is because she is so just like I don't know seems comfortable in her. Well, nudity in this unusual place, and sexuality I, I don't know. I'm not saying it's right, but I'm saying it almost disarms the viewer.

Speaker 2 38:04

Right, but I just that's the one piece that I think is the biggest problem in the whole thing. Huge Setting up to film somebody, but then, but then karma gets him because people see him not only dance horribly in his boxers so bad but two times let his load out before he was ready. Yes, two times.

Speaker 1 38:27

And that almost tempers it a little too.

Speaker 2 38:30

I know it's not one-sided.

Speaker 1 38:32

I mean, he knew that.

Speaker 2 38:34

Well, he thought it was covered.

Speaker 1 38:36

Yeah, that's true, but it is his camera, so it's not someone doing it to him, right, it's his doing. That makes people see that. So you do like you said you do kind of think he gets his retribution a little bit, which makes you feel a little better, but at the end of the day, and then they're still friends and she was like because then she had to move.

Speaker 2 38:54

But at the end of the movie they're like talking to each other and it's like you wouldn't be pissed, the fuck off I guess not I mean, I don't know, and I think because it's written that she's not.

Speaker 1 39:05

That's the disarming part, like I guess whatever don't get mad at him, either because we're like, well, she doesn't care, which still doesn't change that, it's totally wrong.

Speaker 2 39:13

I guess it just hit me way more now watching it and bothered me way more now than it did back then. Sure, maybe because now we're so in the depths of like the horrible shit that happens on the internet without you knowing.

Speaker 1 39:28

You know what I'm saying yeah, and I think especially at that time, at 1999, in 1999 it would have been it was sort of sort of your worst, yeah, your computer's doing something, or a computer's doing something and you don't know, like when we were first using webcam, like, is it on, is it off?

Speaker 2 39:47

Yeah.

Speaker 1 39:48

You know like well some people that on here we're like? Are we live streaming? What is uploading?

Speaker 2 39:54

Speaking of, do you remember during the pandemic? This is I. I was still look this up sometimes just to laugh. Do you remember the video? It was like court and the lawyer could not get the cat filter off.

Speaker 1 40:07

Yes, oh my God, oh my God. It's so funny.

Speaker 2 40:11

He's like I look like a cat right now. That's that's not what I really look like.

Speaker 1 40:22

That is what that would be me. I can't to me with. I'm doing a camp this week and I'm trying to run the like tech for the kids and toggling between it and playing like the wrong song and then I'll like restart their song instead of go to the next one.

Speaker 2 40:41

They're like miss katie I know it's our curse just hit the one button and I'm like I know kate and I was I like downloaded the wrong app for some often you know how like you have to authenticate, like all this bullshit all the time and I was just like clicking the first one. I'm like kate is not working. He's like mom, that's the wrong one. I was like okay. So Kate, that's not working, he's like mom, that's the wrong one. I was like okay. So then he's like telling Troy he's like you got to watch mom when she's old, she's going to fall for all these scams. I was like it wasn't a scam, it was really an app, it was just the wrong one Correct.

Speaker 1 41:11

That's funny.

Speaker 2 41:16

But also probably because I don't know technology, whatever. All right, Well, okay. Well, I thought we'd have a lot more to say about that. I guess not. I just it's just Wait. I'm not done talking about this. I want to laugh a little bit more. I didn't notice this in the beginning, when I first watched this numerous times, because this is one I had on DVD probably I did not notice when he's doing his little dance, she's literally sitting there yawning and not paying attention and I just thought that was hilarious.

Speaker 2 41:51

He's fighting for his life out here I know he is jamming it out and his wieners flopping in his boxers as he's jamming. And then she's like well, I do like your magazines.

Speaker 1 42:07

You Not so?

Speaker 2 42:07

much. I just I didn't pick up on the humor of that when I first watched it, Probably because his dancing is just so hilarious.

Speaker 1 42:15

It kind of takes over the scene.

Speaker 2 42:16

Oh my gosh Cause. Troy's like look at her yawning. I was like, oh my god, I never noticed that it was really funny.

Speaker 1 42:25

That's really good. Like, I'm totally not interested in you. Okay, so we can keep talking about parts of the movie through our questions okay, discuss this one's interesting. That's why I left this one in here. The good girl archetype. Talk about michelle's character arc. How does her initial portrayal as the quirky, seemingly innocent band camp girl evolve, and what does her later relationship with jim suggest about challenging stereotypes or expectations?

Speaker 2 42:49

that is some kind of deep question for this silly movie. I really went for it. I mean, you just I didn't write that on in there, what was it?

Speaker 1 42:58

no, I'm just like how she changes. Like how she changes, how she changes. And how does it fight against the stereotype of the good girl?

Speaker 2 43:07

I think it's pretty obvious. You think the whole time you feel bad for her and he feels bad for her and she's annoying and she's nerdy. And then he's like and she's like so when are we going to do it? I'm getting antsy. She's like and she's like, so what?

Speaker 1 43:20

are we gonna do it? Yeah, I'm getting antsy. Well, she starts. She's like. Let me tell you the sexual story yeah and he, and then she's playing spin the ball uh-huh and you can see him like excited and then like oh and then he's like oh, I don't know where she says the thing about the flute and it's all downhill or uphill, downhill, I don't know isn't there one in the sequel like he goes to pick her up from band camp or something? That's the one where it's like summertime.

Speaker 2 43:44

Okay, she's like a counselor at band camp or something.

Speaker 1 43:46

He goes to pick her up, and there's a part. All I remember is him like marching around like playing a horn for some reason.

Speaker 2 43:52

Oh, my God, yes.

Speaker 1 43:54

In like super short, short. Yes, I forget why. Something like some. Um, someone was supposed to play but he was like deaf, what. I don't remember that. It's like a whole thing. So then michelle looks up and it's like him and oh my god stop what is he doing?

Speaker 2 44:13

well, you remember a lot, I know I haven't even watched that one again.

Speaker 1 44:18

I forgot the whole plot through line of this one. But that's okay. Okay, so that one, we'll move on. Okay, so this one's good.

Speaker 2 44:24

Okay.

Speaker 1 44:26

Explore Jim's portrayal of masculinity and vulnerability. While he's often depicted in embarrassing or sexually focused situations, are there moments where his vulnerabilities or genuine desire for connection are evidence.

Speaker 2 44:38

I mean hello, we just talked about two.

Speaker 1 44:41

And then this part how does this relationship with his father?

Speaker 2 44:45

Oh Lord.

Speaker 1 44:45

Traditional notions of masculinity.

Speaker 2 44:48

I, I, just I love the dad. Well, first of all, speaking of the parents, the very beginning scene when he's with the porn on the TV and the fact, but, like, once they figure out what it is, why wouldn't they just leave Like they're just standing there Like they pull the pillow and she's like, oh my God, and they're just like I'm like I would be booking my booty out of there, being like I can't look at this like awkward weirdness.

Speaker 1 45:13

I'm not trying to I think her acting was that she kept trying to leave and something would catch her ear.

Speaker 2 45:18

No, she just stood there.

Speaker 1 45:20

And then the dad shows up and she's like I think he's watching something illegal.

Webcam Mishaps and Ethical Questions

Speaker 2 45:24

I love the dad though, because he tries really hard to have a heart to her. And teenage boys you have one, I now will have two in a few days they do not want most of the time to talk about sex with their parents no, okay, I can't speak on if girls do, because I don't have girls, but they do not. And it does like the dad's trying so hard not to be awkward, but he is so like he doesn't want to be doing it, but he tries so hard and he's trying to be like a good dad and then the scene where they're looking at the family picture.

Speaker 2 46:06

Oh my god, and he's like you do want a partner, right?

Speaker 1 46:10

you don't want to just keep doing this, just keep mad and he's like your uncle does it like five to six times a day.

Speaker 2 46:18

Oh, I was dying because you just try, like I mean I've had awkward conversations with my kids and says my husband and that you just do your best. The porn one was the funniest not with my kids, but I'm in the movie.

Speaker 1 46:32

In the movie. Yeah, oh, I know when he's like trying to he like went and bought him.

Speaker 1 46:36

Yeah, it's, went and bought him. Yeah, it's almost like now that you're like kind of giving me all these examples of the dad in the movie. I never thought about this before. It's almost like he was concerned, not that like his son was a sexual being, but that everything was kind of not focused on another person. Yeah, because he's like. You see what it looks like in the pictures. This is what this is what you have to look forward to like with a person you know.

Speaker 2 47:02

I don't know, I know and it's so weird too, because that was the early days of the internet yeah, like you saw how long it took for him to upload his terrible picture and like. So that was probably like, not that they don't still have porn mags, but they do. They'll, probably always will, but that was kind of like the dying day of it really was.

Speaker 1 47:24

Yeah.

Speaker 2 47:26

Of shaved.

Speaker 1 47:27

Of shaved.

Speaker 2 47:30

It was the end, it was the last issue. Well, because you know it's weird, because you think of, like our generation, when you first saw like images like that. It was in a magazine or something like it was very rare. You saw that in a film, you saw it on like the crazy channel, like he's, you know, like he had, or cinemax or right right.

Speaker 1 47:54

But now it's click, click, click there it is, and and that's what makes that scene funny to watch now yeah because I can remember like oh yeah, they were trying to find it, people trying to find it. And now it's like why would you ever do that?

Speaker 2 48:09

it's it. It's like like our kids would watch this movie and be like. That seems like a lot of work why is he even bothering? Yeah, 100 I don't know, I thought the dad, I thought the dad was hilarious.

Speaker 1 48:21

So good and he's really good in the followup movies which apparently I remember a lot about.

Speaker 2 48:25

He's just a good actor, yeah, and he is like. So we watched best in show like the other, like a few weeks ago, just cause, I don't know why, because we love Christopher Guest and that's anyway. I forgot how many, how many projects Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Hara have done together Because they used to perform together. They're both from Canada, right, and they used to perform and improv together and they are so good together. Yes, Like it is just comedic gold when they are in the same room together.

Speaker 1 48:59

So, so funny Literally Schitt's.

Speaker 2 49:02

Creek was so funny, but they were in all those Christopher Guest movies together. They were in Schitt's Creek, they were in some other. But anyway, that's neither here nor there. But I love him, he's just funny. Put him anywhere.

Speaker 1 49:14

He's hilarious. Put him anywhere, he'll be funny. Okay, let's see. Oh, we already talked about the webcam scene. There was a question on gender dynamics and consent.

Speaker 2 49:24

Well, we already know what we're going to say about that.

Speaker 1 49:26

Yes, Okay, here's one. Beyond the pursuit of sex, how does the movie depict the importance of friendship, particularly within the males in the movie? Are these friendships portrayed as genuine or solely based on shared goals? That's really a thing, Aren't you glad I went and found these? But I think in layman's terms it's just saying like, is this like? I don't know. I get a warm, fuzzy feeling when they're all like talking about, not necessarily.

Speaker 2 49:57

Yeah, no, I get it.

Speaker 1 49:58

Later, where they're kind of following up with each other, or kevin's, like oh, she keeps saying she loves me, and they're like, oh, you should say it back. Like that kind of stuff yeah or this whole trope of like. Oz wants to sing at the jazz concert, but he's got it. I'm like, wasn't that on high school musical? Too, like around the same time, a little later, but later later, but still this like basketball I know it's leave the basketball.

Speaker 1 50:23

Yes, and I was like glee later, you know yeah, but like they're all doing their best, like help make it happen for him yeah, I don't know, I just I. I like anything that shows I don't know if it's a vulnerability, but that men can have these nuanced emotions as they relate to friends.

Speaker 2 50:41

And I don't know, I just like seeing that in media yeah, I love the scene where they run to go watch him yeah and then they stand out. They're like yeah, you fucking rule. They're like at the chorus concert.

Speaker 1 50:54

I love that I love that part too oh my god. The funniest line that I'm sure I heard back when I watched it forever ago, but made me laugh. This time they're talking to us and they're like why are you in there? He's like jazz girls are, or jazz girls are hot. Jazz chorus. Girls are hot and I was like, and there's like three. Yeah, yeah, there's like three.

Speaker 2 51:15

They're all hot they're all hot, all three of them, but I mean, he's not wrong.

Speaker 1 51:21

He's not wrong, he's not. There's not a lot of straight men in there, no, so he was. He was smart. Okay, let's see if there were any others of these. Oh, speaking of, parents.

Speaker 2 51:28

This was the. This was the movie when the word milf took off I totally forgot about that yes, because troy's like no, it wasn't. I said, yeah, this was 1999. This was when the word milf was everywhere and has remained to this day and it was finch, because I don't we think of well, the kids in there, well, the kids in the hall say it when they see a picture of his mom, and they're, and they're like, they're like kissing their picture, they're going move, move move, oh my God.

Speaker 1 52:02

And Jennifer Coolidge, oh my God.

Speaker 2 52:04

But you know what? This movie? She wasn't her full Jennifer Coolidge yet In this movie.

Speaker 1 52:10

I noticed that too. She is in the other ones, but she was like full on, like sex pot.

Speaker 2 52:16

Yeah.

Speaker 1 52:17

Also like not as quirky. Yeah, as also like not as quirky as we're used to her being now, I know. Yeah, so yeah. But then how do we feel about that scene? The Mrs Robinson kind of Well, I felt weird.

Speaker 2 52:29

But then I was like well, he's 18. Yes, I mean it's still, but he's 18 and legal yeah.

Speaker 1 52:35

Yeah, and they also made him kind of the most mature of the guys Like it wasn't. I don't know.

Speaker 2 52:55

Cause she goes aged 18 years, like like, oh my gosh, I still that. Just I don't understand that whole dynamic. I don't know. I mean, I would never want anything to do with an 18 year old child Anyone in their twenties, oh God. Same, yeah, no, I mean, I'm married anyway and y'all know that I'm a monogamist to the death. You are, I know I am, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 53:12

It's just the way I am. You should be sorry.

Speaker 2 53:15

I know I should be. I don't care, that's just the way I made Listen and hopefully my husband remains that way too. We'll have some problems.

Speaker 1 53:25

Y'all are two peas in a pod.

Speaker 2 53:27

Also, we're old and tired and that just seems like a lot of work.

Speaker 1 53:31

That's really what it comes down to, honestly.

Speaker 2 53:34

Katie's. Like I might not be for monogamy, except I'm tired. Like I might not be for monogamy, except I'm tired that makes me for it because I am already married to a person and I am just happy to remain thus and not change anything ever. But like, seriously, every time I see those things, like in movies and stuff, with this older woman, this young, I'm like what is the allure? I don't get it.

Speaker 1 54:00

Yeah, and for some women there is an allure.

Speaker 2 54:04

I know, I just mean me personally.

Exploring Jim's Dad and Masculinity

Speaker 1 54:07

Demi Moore was like that for a while too. Remember when she dated Ashton Kutcher and he was like was he like 20 years younger than her at the time they dated?

Speaker 2 54:15

I don't remember.

Speaker 1 54:16

And then she dated somebody else, super young, and I feel like she's dating someone young now too.

Speaker 2 54:20

I mean, but also I, I don't personally get it, like I get why they say, but like I do not have the time nor energy to invest in relaying information to you that you need to know. So you know what I mean. Oh, yeah, cause you remember those days.

Speaker 1 54:43

I would not revisit them. God Not in that Clueless Myself included. Oh, I know I would not revisit them. God Not. Not in that clueless Myself included.

Speaker 2 54:50

Oh, that I know I would not want to like like I think I would just laugh and be like what, what do you think this is? No, oh, let's speaking of that. Let's talk about that book.

Speaker 1 55:02

Oh, yes, the book, and that was Casey Affleck. Yes, the book, and that was Casey Affleck. Yes, the older brother, I forgot he was in that.

Speaker 2 55:07

Yes, I love his voice.

Speaker 1 55:08

I know he's got such a great voice.

Speaker 2 55:11

Um.

Speaker 1 55:12

I was like I, I the tongue tornado. I said I wish boys had that book back in the day. And then when you hear that this is like, based on the writers, I know you wonder like which like was the pie true? Is the book true? Is that like?

Speaker 2 55:30

I don't know. I doubt they had a book they hid in the library but maybe maybe they just had a book in general but I just thought that was funny and he's like hold on, and he like had brought the book with her to her house.

Speaker 2 55:42

But you know what, props to Kevin because he figured it out. I got to say I'm glad they put that in there, because as much problematic other stuff there is, like like I love how Natasha Leone was, like you got to give her what she's never had, and he's like I think she has, and she was like no, no, no.

Speaker 1 56:05

I loved her character. Her character reminded me of we talked about this with porky's wendy and porky, yeah, how there's like the one. I mean I will say the females in general were very like sex positive in the way they spoke and stuff. So that was great. But like she was reminding me of, like the wendy who's like yeah, just gonna say what it is.

Speaker 2 56:23

Yeah, but it made me giggle too, where she's.

Speaker 1 56:26

Like you never double clicked your mouth, I know I forgot about that part until I watched it and I was like oh, there it is, there it is oh, but yeah, that was good, those were all the discussion questions, so well, those were very deep. I know I'm glad I brought those. Um, I'm trying to see if I had. I think I have anything else. Oh, I said, oh, these vocal jazz girls are hot. I wrote down the quote. Oh, the opening scene when he's talking about watching the Little Mermaid.

Speaker 2 56:55

Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 56:55

Oz is like it's a cartoon. He's like Ariel's hot.

Speaker 2 56:58

Yeah, Listen, everybody thought Aladdin was hot too.

Speaker 1 57:02

That's true.

Speaker 2 57:03

And there is a debate out there on the Internet about the Fox and robin hood. What listen? Everybody had a crush on the fox, even though he's a fox, even though that's weird. Telling you it's a whole thing.

Speaker 1 57:16

Look it up isn't the fox robin hood? Yeah, he is robin hood what I say you just said the fox and robin oh yes, he is robin, I was like thinking of, because I can see in my brain I was like wait, yeah, okay it was very confusing for a lot of us. I can't say I ever felt that way.

Speaker 2 57:32

Look, I am not alone in this. I had a whole conversation with other people.

Speaker 1 57:36

I totally believe it, I know.

Speaker 2 57:38

But anyway, yeah, cartoon characters are your first exposure to. Oh, that's kind of cute.

Speaker 1 57:52

And don't tell me there weren't boys out there and girls crushing on jasmine too. Oh, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 57:54

Yeah, speaking of aladdin 100 and ariel I mean that's what made his yeah kind of funny, because it's like ariel's hot, it's like yeah, she's a cartoon he's like.

Speaker 1 57:58

So, oh, let's talk about shit.

Speaker 2 57:59

Break yes the funny thing was I mean nobody kate, cad, caden, cooper, me, troy none of us like to poop in public. Okay, but some of us will just make do. If you have to go, you have to. Okay, we've had a whole conversation about that too. Listen, I don't know why people get embarrassed about poop. It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But Caden, the reason I start with him is because he told me horror stories of shit people do in the high school when you pooping in the boys bathroom okay, that does not happen.

Speaker 2 58:31

You don't want to he said they will turn lights off and lock the door and like throw shit at you. I'm like you're just pooping.

Speaker 1 58:38

Yeah, I don't get it oh my gosh, I would be traumatized, right?

Speaker 2 58:44

any of that happened to me while I was pooping, I mean everybody prefers to poop in the comfort of their home, but some my theory is, if you gotta go, you gotta go big deal. So then all of a sudden, like he's like ostracized at school because he pooped, that's the dumbest thing I ever heard of, because he had diarrhea and everybody's like, oh, my god remember oh, you're about shit break, yes, no, I'm talking about the movie, no.

Speaker 2 59:11

I was just saying sorry, I was just saying an example of nobody likes to poop at school. Okay, but shit break all of a sudden is like ostracized.

Speaker 1 59:24

Are you saying shit break, that's what they call him Shit brick.

Speaker 2 59:28

No, honey, it's shit break Because he leaves. Why did I think they said that? Why would they call him shit brick?

Speaker 1 59:43

I always just thought, because it was a lot.

Speaker 2 59:46

Oh my god, shit break, yeah, because he leaves school. You really don't? You really think it's shit break to where you're Googling it? I literally watched it. I cannot. It's shit break because he takes a break to go home to shit.

Speaker 1 1:00:01

Okay, this does say shit break American Pie, it's shit break.

Speaker 2 1:00:08

I don't know. It says shit break. I don't know. It says shit break. Alright, are we going to both?

Speaker 1 1:00:12

Google.

Speaker 2 1:00:12

Because he's shitting a brick.

Speaker 1 1:00:15

No, it's because he goes home to poop. Okay, let's see.

Speaker 2 1:00:19

Finch Hold on. This is hilarious.

Speaker 1 1:00:25

Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 2 1:00:36

What do they call Finch in american pie? Shit break. Yeah, it's a remembered nickname for the character paul finch from the movie american pie no.

Speaker 1 1:00:39

This says is it shit brick or shit break? That's really funny.

Speaker 2 1:00:42

On google groups there's a google group I've never heard anybody call it shit brick. I swear to god. Yes, shit break, it's an urban dictionary, it's in american. Yeah, his nickname was shit break, not shit brick this is so funny.

Speaker 1 1:00:58

This guy on google says an american pie. What does diffler refer to finches? Is it shit brick or shit break? I can't get a straight answer from anyone. I'm pretty sure he clearly states shit break.

Speaker 2 1:01:09

It's in, yeah it's. It's shit break honey, it is, I just look. It's not just me. I have, honestly, swear to God, never heard anybody in my life.

Speaker 1 1:01:21

How many years is this you have?

Speaker 2 1:01:22

mascara going. All OK, listeners, we're going to have to do a socials clip of this, because we need to know I'm not scared of going. All Okay, listeners, we're going to have to do a socials clip of this, cause we need to know what you thought it was yes.

Speaker 1 1:01:35

Well, I guess we know now what the answer is, but what did you think?

Speaker 2 1:01:38

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:01:38

Yeah, that's hysterical. I need to listen again to that scene then.

Speaker 2 1:01:43

I mean, I can understand how you might hear it wrong.

Speaker 1 1:01:48

Cause break and brick sound a lot alike.

Speaker 2 1:01:49

Yeah, but I mean yes because he leaves school to take a shit break.

Speaker 1 1:01:54

Okay.

Speaker 2 1:01:55

Okay, not to shit bricks.

MILF, Stifler, and Cultural Impact

Speaker 1 1:01:58

Okay.

Speaker 2 1:02:00

That's because Stifler he's like hey, shit break, I swear.

Speaker 1 1:02:05

I thought he said hey shit break.

Speaker 2 1:02:06

I don't even remember.

Speaker 1 1:02:12

I'm kidding, I really thought this was the case.

Speaker 2 1:02:13

Okay, Watch. We're going to have a lot of people think it was that too but I've never heard debating it, so I've never heard anybody think that that's so crazy and funny. Look, we learn new things about everything every day.

Speaker 1 1:02:23

Oh, we do.

Speaker 2 1:02:24

I wrote okay, I just thought it was sad that he was ostracized for having diarrhea.

Speaker 1 1:02:28

I totally agree, and that wouldn't happen Like relatable Cause. Everyone's felt like maybe people would give them a hard time for that, but that's so dumb to me.

Speaker 2 1:02:37

I'm not saying, but yeah right, but I think it is like people worry about that because, like I just said, the reason why I said the thing about Caden is because there's a valid reason for not wanting to poop at school when people turn the lights off and throw shit at you not shit, but throw you're in a vulnerable position.

Speaker 1 1:02:52

Yeah, obviously, so that's that's. People could take advantage of that, I guess and I guess girls don't really do that.

Speaker 2 1:02:57

Maybe they do, I don't know, because we got a lot of business that happens in a bathroom that we got to deal with look, I feel like women are all business in the bathroom I know they're like I get in there gotta, pee, gotta poop gotta, gotta deal with all this bullshit.

Speaker 1 1:03:12

Yeah, fix my mascara because I've been laughing too hard. Gotta get back to whatever I was doing. I gotta shit a brick, yeah, or take a break. I don't know. I cannot believe I.

Speaker 2 1:03:25

Text text Brant and ask him what he thinks.

Speaker 1 1:03:27

It is Okay, he won't answer right away, just curious what is his nickname? Yeah, what is it? Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:03:35

Just text him right away. I wish we had a live stream right now, cause then we could have people live answer Um, okay, well, while you're doing that last thing, what do you think? We already talked about this. A little bit about the mom. Siffler's mom and shit break, but you know they keep on having it ongoing in other movies, right, I don't remember what ends up happening to it.

Speaker 1 1:04:01

Because I definitely know they see each other. At the wedding, I, and then the summer one, I remember a lot about these. I know the summer one don't they stay at stifler's house or?

Speaker 2 1:04:13

they yeah, it's like his lake house or something and she ends up showing up there or something yeah so we think, I mean we think it's not that big a deal because he's legal I guess I mean yes, but like legal's not, but like okay, like listen my like. I'm thinking of my child's friends that come into my home yeah they still are children to me that's what I mean.

Speaker 1 1:04:40

Like like they are children, like arbitrarily being like oh, your birthday says this, it's still. But again, that's another one where I know it's not, uh, portrayed as predatory and he seems so okay with it which we've talked about this in our dawson's creek episodes with pacey that they try to make him seem so okay to like, make us feel okay, and we don't like that I mean the differences, though Pacey was 15.

Speaker 1 1:05:11

Brand said the stiff Meister what I said. What's his nickname in American pie? Not stiff Shit? Wrong way, okay, oh, sorry, what is inches. That was so stupid.

Speaker 2 1:05:24

I was like what you said stiff. Where's nickname? Oh my God, oh my God, Hilarious.

Speaker 1 1:05:31

He's going to be like.

Speaker 2 1:05:33

What are you even talking about? Oh my God, let's see. The bubbles are going. Guys Bated breath to see if it's a family trait on shitting bricks he really likes, like he would have watched this movie with me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:05:47

Had we planned it out better, but because, look, stifler, oh, and then Stifler called him shit prick. That is the best Shit prick. Okay, so we have a third contender for what he was calling him. Look, I watched it with the captions on too, and normally that's when I notice stuff.

Speaker 2 1:06:14

Oh, okay, well, oh, that's really funny. Oh my God, now I'm sweating. I did leave my hair down this whole episode.

Speaker 1 1:06:23

You did, but the laughter just oh. But now I'm sweating, it overflows.

Speaker 2 1:06:27

Okay, so what's your final? We've been ranking everything. What's?

Speaker 1 1:06:30

your stars, I'm probably a four. I said four too, I think, nostalgia.

Speaker 2 1:06:34

Look at that we're agreeing.

Speaker 1 1:06:36

I think nostalgia covers some sins in this one. For me that maybe.

Speaker 2 1:06:39

I shouldn't.

Speaker 1 1:06:40

Yeah, I know, but it does, and even the stuff that's. That's genuinely not problematic that's just funny, is still so funny, I know, and I loved all the different care, like the way they round out each character, including the women I thought they did a good job of that. And the parents you know the parents that are featured. At least I really thought, yeah, I really liked it. Yeah, I give it a four me too. All right, well, listeners, let us know what you think about American Pie and this whole nickname situation, this whole debate.

Speaker 2 1:07:14

Shit break or shit brick or shit prick, apparently Apparently.

Speaker 1 1:07:19

That's the third option. Shit prick. I love it, I love it, but see, that sounds more like brick than break, I tell you.

Speaker 2 1:07:26

I swear I've never heard anyone talk about it and say shit brick.

Speaker 1 1:07:30

I cannot wait to hear from listeners.

Speaker 2 1:07:32

If you have a thought on this.

Speaker 1 1:07:33

You have to tell us. Oh, yeah, oh no, I agree with Katie. You gotta tell me, or be like Katie, you're silly. Why would you ever think that for 26 years? Anyway, thanks for listening and be sure you rate us wherever you get your podcast. If you're watching on YouTube, Dani has one of our merch shirts on.

Speaker 2 1:07:55

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Speaker 1 1:07:59

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Speaker 2 1:08:04

I don't really love this one. It's really long. I have a problem with tank tops because I have a short torso and when they get too long they like bunch up and it's just weird.

Speaker 1 1:08:13

It's a lot of fabric and it's just but it's super cute, and if you don't have a, short torso. But it is soft, it's for you.

The Great "Shit Break" Debate

Speaker 2 1:08:28

That's what I'm not wearing it. I'm in a giant sweatshirt again, but I will wear my t-shirt.

Speaker 1 1:08:31

I'm going to get one.

Speaker 2 1:08:31

I'm going to get one.

Speaker 1 1:08:32

Okay, yeah, all right, thanks everybody, thanks guys.