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Wild Moos: TitBits #4 - Tributes and Transformations on International Women's Day

• Amy Lewis and Nicole Bilham • Season 1

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As we navigate the complexities of International Women's Day, we find ourselves teetering between skepticism and celebration. Within the sphere of our latest Wild Moos episode, we confront the tricky balance of shining a light on women's achievements without succumbing to token gestures. It's a candid journey through history, personal stories of navigating gender dynamics, and the sobering realisation that while progress has marched forward, there's an entire parade's worth of work left to do. We grapple with how these dedicated days might exclude others and ponder the shifting sands of gender roles that men, too, must traverse.

Through the lens of genuine allyship, we spotlight Sam Marshall's trailblazing efforts in the beauty industry, embodying the change that ripples beyond one day on the calendar. We reflect on how businesses can authentically contribute to social causes, a conversation that extends to our own aspirations for Wild Moos to foster unity and support. Imagine a world where communal living isn't a relic of the past but a vibrant reality, harnessing the collective strength of men and women alike. Together, we muse on this dream, its legalities, and the transformational power of community in our quest for balance.

Turning to the familial, we pay homage to the women who've moulded us and the communal child-rearing philosophies that have broadened our horizons. We pull inspiration from the Obamas, discussing the challenges and rewards of blending career with family life. And as we gear up for a special full moon ceremony with the incomparable Adele, we can't wait to share the energy and insights from this extraordinary event in episodes to come. Join us for a heartfelt tribute to womanhood, community, and the quest for an inclusive future.

Nicole Bilham of WildBird Marketing Agency
https://wildbirdmarketing.co.uk/

Amy Lewis of The Mooeys Group
www.mooeys.co.uk | www.mooeysfranchise.co.uk | www.mooskin.co

Speaker 1:

Hey, hey, tip bits. So what we're talking about, nicole, titty-bitty, titty-bitty, we're doing International Women's Day, aren't we? We're talking about it, yes, because you mentioned it yesterday what we're going to do for International Women's Day, and I was like, oh fuck, I'm in London, I'm going to the project cafe with a friend. Oh, you're fucking busy, aren't you?

Speaker 2:

Yes, so my coach, the wonderful Liz, said to me on our session this week have you thought about where you're going to be seen on International Women's Day? And I looked in the calendar and saw it was a Friday and I said, Liz, do you mean where I'm going to be seen with the kids? I don't go outside, just in case. She was like no, not at all, and I've never really embraced it.

Speaker 1:

I've done it before with the salon and we've done a post about it. I've done a promotion in the past. I haven't really. I feel a bit icky about jumping on the bandwagon of shit.

Speaker 2:

Just going to say exactly the same thing. My comment to Liz was it gives me the ick a bit. I know Nat Wester doing something, I know Debbie Lewis will be doing something. I get that, but also and then I went ah, the only thing that I'd ever want to do is something with Wild Moose. Ever, ever, ever. Because I know it's real and I know it's authentic and I know that we're not doing it for any other reason than to support others.

Speaker 1:

Do you know any history about International Women's Day? No, Because I have no fucking clue where it's come from, what it means, Like it's just called International Women's Day. What is that celebrating? Is it celebrating being born as a woman? Is it celebrating women in business? Is it celebrating just women having a say, having votes? Like what the fuck is it?

Speaker 2:

Listen like I totally hit here and get the fact that everything needs to be equal. I totally get that and I have been, as you will have, been treated really appallingly in the past because of my gender. Can I yeah?

Speaker 1:

I've actually not. Have you not. No, oh, okay, the reason I say it, and this is why I feel like I can't really, because I've always been in the beauty industry, which is a predominantly female industry, I have actually never experienced any kind of genderism.

Speaker 2:

Okay, Is that even a word? I don't know, I've just. I mean that's a good word, it is a good word I have, but Because of the corporate world that you're in surely, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Media was, when I started, very male dominated. I've got to. I do have two schools of thought, and I always fucking say this, but one is any of these awareness days are now becoming a marketer's dream, because it gives you something to talk about, because I get it like a lot of Valentine's Day, but it takes me out Like it's just so much, isn't it Like do this on this particular day and we do it with our social media planner?

Speaker 1:

and we look through it and we're like, right, it's like national chocolate day today and it's this and it's that. Do you just jump on the bandwagon and become like everybody else and churning out social media for the sake of it? Or do I put a picture of my team going yeah, we're having a great time eating chocolate today. Yeah, thank you. I know and I get that. I get the balance, but when it comes to International Women's Day, it is probably the one that I would like to celebrate out of all of it.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, but I feel conflicted, right, and the one of the reasons why I feel conflicted on it is because I don't feel that we are learning any of the lessons of the past. I don't feel that any of these awareness days holding one group whatever that group is above others is learning the lessons of the past, because all you're doing is making another group feel small.

Speaker 1:

Can I do a little bit of research and just quickly find out what the hell it means? Shall we try it?

Speaker 2:

Yeah yeah, yeah. Well, I know International Women's Day has a theme every year, right, and this year's theme I'm sure Amy will share with us in a second. But when I think back to how it relates to us for world moves, we firmly believe in supporting others. We are women and if we were to do something, I'm happy to pin that on International Women's Day. I think it's timely, I think it's nice, I think it sits very, very close to the values of what we hold dear as a brand for world moves, and by brand I mean the two of us sat in your office on your sofa, sharing our woes and wonderful times with our audience. Hit me up, go on what you got.

Speaker 1:

I love research, such a researcher. International Women's Day is an occasion to review how far women have come in their struggle for equality, peace and development. It's also an opportunity to unite, network and mobilize for meaningful change. Done, that's beautiful. That is lovely. That is an Australia site, so now we need what is the theme?

Speaker 2:

So, yeah, and the reason, oh God, like, yes, men have had it good for such a long time. Yes, yes, yes, totally get that. But in our pursuit of equality, I don't feel that we should belittle other groups, but also, do you know?

Speaker 1:

this is really, really difficult, but I actually feel quite bad for guys at the minute Because there's a lot of incredibly, incredibly independent, powerful women and we're all going, and when women get together, amazing things happen.

Speaker 2:

Yes, I agree.

Speaker 1:

And I feel like the world is shifting and I feel like guys just can't keep up. Yeah, the good guys. Yeah, like, what are we allowed to do? What are we allowed to say? Can I touch, can I do this, can I do that? What? Everything's got to be respectful. Where's my place? You know, and you see the suicide rate of men of a certain age as well, and you just think this is really tough.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, but this is what I mean about not learning any of the lessons of the past. Like, why can't it just be and I get that I am talking from a very privileged position now. I get that I will never understand what it is to be to walk in the shoes of anyone else I get that, yeah and to not even have a bank account.

Speaker 1:

Was it in the 70s 70s? Or early 80s that women couldn't have their own bank account.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and I am so proud of everything that has been achieved. To level up, I get that, but at what cost to other groups of people and other individuals? Yeah, that's the. I just feel conflicted. I'm not saying that there is one right way or or it should be like this. I'm just saying that I think women are incredible. Yeah, and I think, as you say, when we get together like amazing, immense, wonderful, epic, things happen.

Speaker 1:

I also think women should be running the world. Personally, I think because we have that emotional balance that we can see from, rather than ego led, I don't feel emotionally balanced, but yeah. Well, it's in like you have that emotional and intelligence, but I think a lot of power and a lot of men in power make ego testicle decisions rather than what's right by human beings or other, you know, by whatever.

Speaker 2:

What am I trying to say Really? I'm just trying to say I'm trying to still figure it out. Yeah, I feel conflicted about it. I feel conflicted from a marketer. I get that it should be part of your content. I get that it should be something that you talk about, but I just have a bigger question about what are we doing to other people If we? Are we learning the lessons of the past?

Speaker 1:

So, yes, hit me up. What's the theme? The theme for International Women's Day 2024 is to inspire inclusion. When we inspire others to understand and value women's inclusion, we forge a better world, and when women themselves are inspired to be included, there is a sense of belonging, relevance and empowerment. Yeah, well, that kind of goes on the subject of do you let guys come in? Yeah, because actually, if it's all about inclusion, why don't we include the guys that support the women?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that help us up.

Speaker 1:

Because I feel like there's so many trailblazers at the minute that are like oh, like we are, we're doing it. All systems go like we are.

Speaker 2:

We are now, like you said, a very privileged position where we have so much independence, but there's a lot of great people that have supported that journey 100%, and there is no way on this earth that either of us would be able to do what we do without the support of our husbands.

Speaker 1:

Very true, matt Billam and Martin are modern day fathers modern day, men I mean, I feel like we've driven that as well. Yeah, it's 50-50, isn't?

Speaker 2:

it. But I also get that they've had it good for a long time, but I just don't feel like it should be anyone's turn, like that's not equity. Equity is everyone is equal and it's not as if you're like that.

Speaker 1:

That was a different generation. Yeah, Like Martin's age and generation. It's not like he's had it great half of his life and now it's like all about women Like it's all evolving, isn't it yeah?

Speaker 2:

And we don't have it down Like in our household. We still have to challenge ourselves. If the kids are real, my instinct is it's me, it's all on my shoulders. I think I've said this before.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, the mum.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, but it's not. It's a joint decision and the reason why I set up Wildbird is for the ultimate flexibility. But for this it's the assumption, and that sometimes that gets my goat when we're. If Matt's at work and I've got work to be delivered Because you're at home, yeah, who is it then? But the reality is, my work can be delivered unless there's meetings. It can be delivered at any time. That's the whole point of Wildbird, whereas Matt has to be at work to deliver that work.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, oh, it's so tricky, isn't it? Because actually it's the world that we live in. Yeah, yeah, it's not necessarily the individuals Like. If I said to Martin like this is, we can do a 50-50 split, or you know, sometimes you're going to have to take more of a line share and I am he would be absolutely fine with it, Like he wouldn't even question it. But it's society that we're living. Yeah, Like there has to be two working parents in a family.

Speaker 1:

now it can't be one working parent unless you're earning a, you know, a really incredible amount of money.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, and you always looked to like Matt and I, both brought up very similarly, in that our mothers were there for our upbringing, for our childcare, until we went to school both of us Right so that we know that that's such a big part of who we are now, but we're not living the same way, like you've just said. So I think as long as you're willing to evolve, to have an open mindset, then you have to challenge your own views and your own prejudices of the way that you want to live for international women, and it's got to work for you and your family.

Speaker 1:

I don't think. I think it's about choice now, isn't it? Yes, and I think women now freedom of choice. I think that's the most crucial part of it. Yeah, and I know that, like you say, we've got to go back to the fact how privileged we are with the men we've chosen.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yes, we are, because it is choice. You know, it's so funny because the generation, our parents generation, not so much. Hang on, matt's parents are very, very supportive of women doing whatever they want to do and men being present, especially because they're Matt's one of three boys men being present parents and having a very active role in the upbringing of our children. My mum God love her. Her view and my dad's view is oh, isn't Matt a good egg?

Speaker 1:

for doing daddy daycare. I know right, Very, very different. Are you lucky.

Speaker 2:

Aren't you lucky to have a man that is so happy I hate to say aren't you lucky that you've got a good human, which is a very, very different view, and you know they're in their 70s. Why would they change now?

Speaker 1:

Why would they have like my mum will never, ever my mum's a bit like that You're lucky that you've got a guy that is so hands on yeah.

Speaker 2:

But I get that because that's what they didn't have. They wouldn't have had the choice no. And to see it in their children or their children's children they're going well, they are lucky, yeah, also.

Speaker 1:

And we're going yeah all right, but it's not fucking like that now. Yeah, but also from my nan's perspective she would be very much like you're lucky, because I just had to shut up and put up.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

I had a you know, a husband who could do whatever he wanted when he wanted, and I just had to.

Speaker 2:

But they didn't know another way though. No, or they didn't feel like they could fight for another way.

Speaker 1:

Maybe, so, but they did.

Speaker 2:

There was trailblazers with their bed in their bras, of course they were, and, my god, are we thankful to them because, it's allowed us to be able to live in the freedom and have the choice that we want to have and that we have now and that's not viewed as a luxury.

Speaker 1:

It's all a learning, isn't it? It's all education, it's all understanding, like we've just done. We've just talked through, like, what does it actually mean? Because there's a lot of people out there that would be celebrating a day that they probably don't even understand, just like we would. We're talking about what we're going to do for it. We didn't even know where it came from.

Speaker 2:

So International Women's Day, we have agreed, have we? We're going to do something on it and it's going to be wonderful.

Speaker 1:

I think it's all down to interpretation and what are we celebrating? And if it is to do with inclusion, well then it's got to be open to everyone. It's got to be open to everybody and I want it to be open to everybody as well. I want it to be open to the guys that are the supporters, the people you know, anybody that is a supporter, an avid supporter, an ally that wants to see change. There's a lot of allies out there that we're celebrating them.

Speaker 2:

No, and there are men that are massively championing us doing this podcast Richard, andy, martin, matt Billum should he ever do this?

Speaker 1:

He just doesn't want to hear about your broken fan. No, that's fair enough.

Speaker 2:

He just doesn't want to hear me shitting myself in labour because he was there literally picking up the poo. Why would you want to hear that story again? But we're grateful to all of you and we want you to be part of it.

Speaker 1:

Isn't that the same with anything, though?

Speaker 2:

it's just being an ally, and I think it's the kindness, like for me, like just kindness, in everything that you do. You know holding up others as long as they're living their dreams.

Speaker 1:

I remember doing trans awareness training and the lovely Sam Marshall who heads up is an incredible human, incredible human and just wants to do good by others. You know that's her whole mission and to breed awareness and bring awareness and she's changing the beauty industry. She's helping people become gender neutral. She's helping people understand, like taking out gender specific training, making it open for all and to be more aware and understanding of the trans community and all of this. And she is very set on, you know, like Pride Week, and she's like don't be that knob that just celebrates Pride Week when it's a week of the year. Be an ally the whole fucking time.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I always think of Sam because I adore her, but I always think of that comment and I'm like that's the truth. Being an ally, why do we need a day to celebrate something? Just be an ally all the time. Just be a good human, just give a shit, be thoughtful and respectful and understanding and of each other, and then surely we don't need a special day to tell us when to celebrate or when to think about that particular subject.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I've had brands say to me in the past that we've not done XYZ for this Awareness Day. We need to know when they all are and there's elements that are yeah. I hear you but it is yeah, what are you doing inside your business? Yeah, to support whatever that causes.

Speaker 1:

You just keep evolving, just keep moving forward and pointing in that direction, just keep swimming, just keep swimming.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I agree. I just think we've all just got to try to vote ourselves to be in better people all the time.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, no matter what you've got between your legs.

Speaker 2:

Yes, wow, I do not want to relate to what happened in my brain there, but, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1:

Tell me what I do, because you're in the gutter. I'll tell you after.

Speaker 2:

I'll tell you after that is not for here. That can't be to the show.

Speaker 1:

No, it's true, isn't it Like we're having a day, we're celebrating us as human beings and all of the people supporting us?

Speaker 2:

How about that? Well, yeah, wild Moose has been going since November. Yeah, where are we now? November, december, january, february, march?

Speaker 1:

For four months. Is that all? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm so excited. I'm so excited, Nicole, about where this is going to go.

Speaker 2:

Are you?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I'm so excited I cannot tell you. I sit here sometimes and think I have no idea, I can't. I have a vision for Moose franchise. I have a vision for Moose. I even have a vision for Moose skin. I can't see it with Moose, with Moobads, no, but Wild Moose, where are we?

Speaker 2:

I can't see it and I can't fucking call it what it is. See, that was her original name. Isn't it that we thought about? What was it again? The first one Wild Moose no Moobads. Yes, that was it, yeah.

Speaker 1:

That was the original, wasn't it?

Speaker 2:

And Matt calls us Mad Cow, which is so nice, it's like confusing, but I can feel it.

Speaker 1:

I can feel there's something bubbling, I can feel the excitement, I can feel the energy from other people that like, yes, I needed this in my life. I didn't know I needed it, but now I know and I feel really whole and all of that. It's all the good stuff that we stand for and I can't see what that is, but I couldn't think of a better way to celebrate women than to do it with you.

Speaker 2:

Oh, me too, yeah, and do this.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, women are incredible, though, aren't?

Speaker 2:

they yeah.

Speaker 1:

I mean, men are really incredible, but women are really fucking incredible aren't they?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, but the thing is, we'd be nowhere without each other.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, the community? Yeah, I would love that, though I'd love to live in a commune, would you? Yeah, I've talked about it with so many friends. I think there's something like legally, if you had a hundred people together, you can create a commune and not live by the laws of the country.

Speaker 2:

Interesting. That's some of the oldie law, isn't?

Speaker 1:

it. Yeah, yeah, I don't even know if it's true. We need someone to look into it, but Well, you said you were an incredible researcher so maybe you can let us know next week.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I think I might need a solicitor for that what's your.

Speaker 1:

But I always talk about, we joke about it with friends and I've said to my sister I'd love like a piece of land that we built our houses on that were far enough away that you couldn't hear each other rowing, but you could actually create your own commune of some sort.

Speaker 2:

With men. Yeah, oh good, she was just going to say love cock too much.

Speaker 1:

I'd have to have a set. I'd like a separate house. I was like Martin could have his own house next door with an archway. He would love that. But I would love that whole community living of the olden times.

Speaker 2:

I would actually, and I really really. I hear my mum talk about it because my mum and my auntie used to live very, very close to each other yeah, when they lived in Luton before my auntie moved back to Bray to Ireland, and my sister's not far away. But I just feel like a community element. Imagine if we had you in one house, I can Me in another and I'd have the Bobby Crow around me, all around me, all the gobshots, yeah, all the gobshots.

Speaker 1:

They'd all be there Everybody, and I know there's some people that would be like, oh no, I couldn't, it's too close. Because I said to my sister I'd have you next door. I would actually have you next door with a gate in my fence and she was like no, no, no, too close for me. But I genuinely would that whole kind of I would prepare food one night and then the kids would be all looked after and brought up by other adults.

Speaker 2:

But is this not like when we think so? Let me just give you an example. This week has been Pancake Week. Pancake Day yeah, martin, done it all with the kids last night. Throw Tuesday yeah, matt, had I'd been at the Mastermind all day. So this poor, poor Erin on work experience got to see every single fucking aspect of my horrendous being. So she saw me on my feet delivering a workshop. I feel like if you were to draw a sliding scale of Nicole Billum, this is like her at a peak, like she's living in her best life, like, in part, in knowledge, working with, like collaborating, running a brainstorm, running a workshop, lovely, lovely, yes, yes, yes. We left there.

Speaker 2:

I was like there's no fucking signal in why. But I need to get hold of the, tell Matt where we are. I've got to fucking get the kids. So she had to come with me to go and get the kids from nursery, pick them up, go back to our house. And it was Shrove Tuesday. I had a conversation with Matt Billum. That was we're going to have pasta. I'd got Mint's meat out in the morning Welcome. This is my really boring life. Matt Billum decided to flip the plan, literally.

Speaker 1:

The pancake into.

Speaker 2:

We're going to have savory pancakes. It's going to be lovely, the kids will love it. We'll have ham and cheese or he'd made tuna mayo Well, you're very odd For dinner and then we'll have sweet pancakes for afters. Wonderful, wonderful idea on paper. Well done, matt Billum. What actually happened was, by the time we'd finished these weird savory pancakes, everyone was pancaked out and we all fucking hated each other. So Eddie was being bit naughty, hope was knackered. She'd done a shit. We didn't realise she was sitting in her own shit. She was furious. I couldn't calm her down. Matt's there at the hop like making these pancakes, one after the other, cause he only wanted to bring like a stack to the table, cause he's got this idea in his head, romanticised it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's that not what this commune is about Cause.

Speaker 2:

The reality was 10 times fucking worse. And I'm sat at the dinner table going you fucking asshole, and he's looking at me going what I was like? Stop making pancakes. There's a stack of fucking 10 there. No one wants another fucking pancake. Put the fucking frying pan down.

Speaker 1:

You couldn't put them outside and let the commune like dig in there, could you Fair point. I think I spent a lot of time when I was doing the podcast with my nan listening to her community and, like her and her next door neighbour Carol used to, they both had like two or three jobs and they would take it in turns to drop the kids off, pick them up. It's one of them would feed the kids, you know they would just. We just want childcare really. I just want to. I think it's really good for kids to be brought up by other adults as well. I agree, and I think you know, when you have that closeness and you have the all like the friends of the parents with their kids and I think that's really important for the you know kids not to just have one bubbles, right?

Speaker 2:

so I don't know if I've spoken about this, but Barack Obama talks about if you, the more that you surround yourself with like-minded people, the smaller your bubble is, but the more that you and everyone lives in bubbles. So, which is what social media ends up being, because you get served cookies of the people that are like you, right? So bubbles effectively mean smaller views, smaller views of the world, a smaller mindset, whereas if you surround yourself which is what you're basically saying about your children if you surround yourself with other people with other views, their development and their understanding and their experiences will be far richer, far wider, because their bubbles then surely their emotional intelligence would be bigger as well, because they're listening to other people deal with different problems.

Speaker 2:

Work for you stuff and other people's views of the world. It's a really, really compelling speech. We might put it in the show notes of tidbits. I've never seen it, but it's a beautiful beautiful speech.

Speaker 1:

I love that man. Yeah, he's epic, isn't he? And his wife? They're just. Oh my god, do you?

Speaker 2:

remember do you remember? Was it like it must have been a few years ago? She said about when she was raising the kids that they were mini terrorists when they were very, very young. Yeah, and she really resented him for it because she had to put her career on hold. Wow, yeah, to hear that from them. Amazing, because she was a lawyer and there was and he was pursuing he was pursuing, he would have been governor then, I would imagine. I don't know his history, which, yeah, but I did listen to half of the the.

Speaker 1:

The coming isn't it.

Speaker 2:

I don't know if it was in the book or whether it was a podcast interview, but she talks about the children when they're very young, they're like mini terrorists, and that she really resented Obama because she was raising them and he was out pursuing his career. Yeah, and there was no other option for her at that point.

Speaker 1:

Oh, wow, yeah, yeah. So let's wrap it up with who is the most inspiring woman. Do you have one?

Speaker 2:

do you know what?

Speaker 2:

I thought this question would come up and I do yeah, yeah, and I thought I must come up with a good answer and I fucking haven't. Liz, the first person, the person that came into my head, is Liz. Yay, it really is. Yeah, she's like my business mama. Yeah, she doesn't know that, but she is, um, and she'll probably like her business daughter anyway. But she's done so many firsts and even just hearing some of her stories about being a woman in a very, very challenging environment and at a very young age in her career, she's done so many firsts it's just incredible. Wow, who's yours?

Speaker 1:

my nun. Yeah, always. Yeah, lani fox, I think she is one of the most incredible women I've ever known. Well, she is the most incredible woman um, I think of resilience.

Speaker 2:

When you talk about her, all the word that springs to mind is how resilient she is.

Speaker 1:

She is so resilient. She has the most incredible sense of humor. She is tough, yeah, but loving at the same time. She won't take any shit from anyone yeah, she has. She's not even five foot and she has the men of red-born village eating out the palm of her hand. She, um, she loves hard, but she will also speak truth. Yep, she's been through a lot. She's been through a lot. You know for her, the perfect example. This is the best way to it kind of express who my nan is.

Speaker 1:

But when my mum was poorly, I was six, kaz was 18 months old, my brother was 10 no no, we, everybody knew she wasn't going to survive and my nan moved in with my other nan as well. But my other nan was there for cooking and cleaning. My nan fox was there to look after my mum yeah and my mum wanted to be at home with the kids.

Speaker 1:

She was adamant, she knew that she wasn't going to survive. She had a year from diagnosis to death and my nan her attitude on it said it was the best, worst year of her life. Because she said, as a as my, as my mum was a grown woman with three children, she would never have experienced her as an adult the way that she did, because you know, you grow up, you leave the house and you move on with your family and you know, and she said, but I got to know her On a different level that I would never have experienced and I will never forget that. But it was the most painful time. But also, we laughed so much. We laughed solidly for a year, even in the darkest. We had the darkest humor and we laughed. That's exactly the person my, my nan is. Yeah, she's so special, yeah, and she holds it all together. So, yeah, but Oprah Winfrey is my, my celebrity fame like favorite woman. I don't know if I've got a celebrity.

Speaker 2:

Um, just on your nan real quick. I know we are on the edge of balling our eyes out. To be able to See the positive, yeah in that is just.

Speaker 1:

But that is her throwing through Mmm, mmm, very, very special. Yeah, she really is. She's one of a kind and she is the glue that holds our family together, and I think that's. My biggest worry is, when she's not here, like what will happen to everybody yeah, I'll be right, it will be.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, of course, of course. But Shit, yeah it is. But it's like her house is the place that we all congregate. We all go to hers and we do these secret movie nights, you know, and it's like my favorite. It's not secret anymore. It doesn't need to be, but it's my favorite that and the full moon ceremonies are my favorite things of the month.

Speaker 2:

For me Thursday. We are doing, I think so, I hope so. I need to talk to Matt Billon, but I'm sure it'll be fine so we can record. Yeah, we can report back on that next time, can't?

Speaker 1:

yes, yes, we'll do a debrief of. It's not many places that do this and I don't think there's many people that could hold that space like Adele does. She is an incredible woman. She is a super, super incredible woman.

Speaker 2:

See if she wants to come along to our non thing on International women's day.

Speaker 1:

She might do. She might do actually. Yeah, she's a super special lady and I don't think there's many people that could do that. And if anybody is local to Bedford's like, tap me up. If you fancy, tap me up, tap me up if you fancy. Experience in a full moon ceremony and it is women only. But our next tip bit should be on that. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, yeah, you can tell me what your experience was like, what you, how you found it?

Speaker 2:

I'll give you a full, because it is very different. I'm gonna roar at the moon like a fucking wall.

Speaker 1:

I mean she would be howl at the moon. Yeah, like a lion and how like a wolf yeah yeah, I mean I'm sure Adele would be up for that, actually, but I'll leave you guys to that.

Speaker 2:

Thanks, I'm probably won't. Yeah, I'm all far and no poo me.

Speaker 1:

Oh my god, on that note.

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