Episode 56: The Secret Behind Smarter Decisions and Stronger Teams

Do you ever wonder why you make the decisions you make in your business—especially when leading a team? In this episode, Jennifer sits down with wellness and leadership coach Renee Privette-Stutz to explore how understanding your natural decision-making patterns can radically improve how you lead, hire, and communicate.

Renee shares how self-awareness helps business owners recognize emotional triggers, navigate stress, and build stronger, more cohesive teams. You’ll learn how to identify blind spots that affect hiring and retention, how to create better balance in team dynamics, and how intentional leadership can lead to greater profitability and harmony at work.

If you’re ready to lead with clarity instead of reaction, this conversation will give you a fresh perspective on what drives you—and how to use that insight to grow your business.

Plus, Renee shares a free resource for listeners who want to uncover their unique leadership style and decision-making strengths.

Top 3 Takeaways for Business Owners & Team Leaders

1. Decision-Making Awareness — Discover how your natural patterns under stress influence hiring, spending, and leadership choices—and how to make decisions rooted in awareness, not emotion.
   
   
   
2. Team Communication — Learn how to recognize and respect different communication styles within your team to reduce conflict, improve collaboration, and boost productivity.
   
   
   
3. Leadership Balance — Understand how self-awareness helps you identify gaps in your leadership style and build a more balanced, high-performing team around you.
   
   

Meet our Guest: 

Renee Privette-Stutz is a former real estate entrepreneur who followed her deeper calling to help people live more conscious, whole, and purpose-driven lives.She now runs FourEvergreen Wellness, an Enneagram-based coaching company that blends science-backed wellness and self-awareness to create lasting change across the physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual pillars of health. Renee holds a Master’s in Health and Exercise Science, multiple coaching certifications, and is an Enneagram teacher. 

Connect with Renee:

livefourevergreen.com
renee@livefourevergreen.com

Meet Your Host:
Jennifer Kok has been a business owner for over 25 years and is now a business coach. She turned her first business into a franchise and successfully sold it 20 years later.  She was passionate about building a business and a family at the same time.

I support women entrepreneurs in their second year and beyond as they build businesses and families, helping them achieve Clarity, Confidence, and Consistent Profits.  The reality is, you’ve built a Business You’re Proud Of— but it’s time for it to work for you.

You’re still wearing all the hats, working long hours, and not paying yourself what you deserve. You know there’s more possible—more profit, more clarity, and more freedom to enjoy the life you’re building.

The Earn More Stress Less 9-Pillar Blueprint helps women entrepreneurs with families create profitable, sustainable businesses that finally pay them back — in money, time, and peace of mind.

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Transcript

Jennifer Kok (00:00)

Do you know why you make choices you do as a business owner? Well, today's guests might just have the answer. In this episode, I had the privilege of interviewing wellness and leadership coach, Renee Privet-Stutz. We talked about how understanding your natural decision-making patterns can radically improve how you lead, hire, communicate, and ultimately, your bottom line. We discussed important topics such as your awareness when it comes to decision-making, team communication,

how to recognize and respect different styles, and how to find a leadership balance that's going to build a stronger, more profitable team. If you're running a business, this episode is for you.

Jennifer Kok (00:38)

Welcome to Main Street Success Stories. I'm your host, Jennifer Kok entrepreneur, business coach, and founder of Next Wave Business Coaching.

Jennifer Kok (00:46)

My first business I opened two days before giving birth to my second daughter. But then I grew it for 20 years. I grew it from a local bakery into a national brand and eventually sold it for a profit. I know firsthand how tough the odds can be. Only one out of two small businesses make it to year five.

That's why I'm passionate about helping entrepreneurs change those statistics through coaching, mentoring, and this podcast where I share real stories of others, their success, their struggle, their mindset shifts, their fears, and lots and lots of wins along the way. Because none of us are alone in this journey of entrepreneurship. And I want to make sure that you have the support you need. My goal is simple to inspire you, motivate you, and show you there's a path to building a profitable business.

So let's dive in to the next episode of Main Street Success Stories.

Jennifer Kok (01:35)

Hi Renee, welcome to Main Street Success Stories.

Renee Privette-Stutz (01:39)

Hi Jen, thanks so much for having me.

Jennifer Kok (01:41)

I'm excited to chat with you today. You and I met at a networking event in Grand Rapids, Michigan, where we both are located. And you just have a unique story. You are what you call a wellness coach, correct? And I know your main tool of working with clients is the Enneagram. And it's interesting because I've heard Enneagram and there's lots of different personality tests and all these different tests that you can take, especially business owners.

Renee Privette-Stutz (01:53)

Yes.

Jennifer Kok (02:07)

CliftonStrengths, and we take all these different tests that are supposed to help us communicate better, help us make better decisions. And so take us through, first of all, what were you doing before you decided to be a wellness coach focusing with the tool of Enneagram?

Renee Privette-Stutz (02:22)

Yeah, so my background, my undergraduate and graduate degree are in the health and exercise science space. So I started out in that space and just got really frustrated with the health and the fitness industry. It's such a fad dominant industry and it just didn't sit well with just, you know, this like deep rooted passion of really helping people change for good and not just like picking a new.

⁓ you know, fly by night fad to, to go with. So I got frustrated with that completely left the health industry. And that's where I kind of pursued entrepreneurship and ⁓ ended up having a pretty successful career in real estate. but experienced, some emotional burnout, physical burnout, and like a diagnosis with anxiety and depression.

And through my own therapy and growth work, I discovered the Enneagram and then really kind of had this epiphany of how can I marry the two of my roots in the health and wellness industry. And then this incredible model that not only describes personality, but really charts a path for growth and self-awareness. And once I gave myself the permission to...

sit and just kind of explore and brainstorm for evergreen wellness was formed out of that.

Jennifer Kok (03:39)

I love that. I love how you said, gave yourself permission to just sit, dream, visualize it, sketch it out, whatever that looks like, and here we are. So you started your business, Live Forever Green, about a year ago.

Renee Privette-Stutz (03:52)

Yes.

Jennifer Kok (03:52)

And you are working with clients that are small business owners, personal clients, anybody in the realm, and you start with a neogram. Is that kind of the beginning steps to your coaching practice?

Renee Privette-Stutz (04:03)

Yeah, so it's, it's my starting point as a practitioner. So, ⁓ even if someone says like, you know, I'm not into personality assessments, I'm like, we never have to talk about it again, but for me to serve you, it really accelerates what I'm able to do with clients. So I offer an Enneagram typing interview, kind of as an add on with any of my coaching, packages. And then when I'm, meeting with clients in like a corporate setting, it's always included.

and gives me just a base knowledge of where they're coming from. But I have found that most people want to continue with it and with the language because it's just so eye-opening and really accelerates self-development and inner awareness.

Jennifer Kok (04:43)

And that's funny because I think, like you said, we kind of all have this idea and stereotype about these personality tests and how we're going to use them and what we're going to use them for. And is this just another tool that I'm going to just collect dust on my shelf? So first of all, take us through for the listeners that are new to Enneagram. Can you briefly explain what it is, what it's measuring, what's the science behind it?

Renee Privette-Stutz (05:08)

Yeah, yeah. So at its core, it is a personality framework that helps you understand yourself and others. But beyond that, it's the model itself. So the enneagram symbol has like ancient roots. And the symbol itself is like a circle with nine numbers on the outside. And the symbol itself shows you your path for inner growth and for self awareness.

So the relationships that your type has with other numbers gives you signs on where to go next. But it also explains the why behind your behavior. So a lot of personality tests, people complain like, it just puts me in a box or it just gives me an excuse for my behavior. And the Enneagram really shows you the box that you're in and how to get out of it rather than like shoving you in a box. So it's...

It's why you do what you do and then how can you not just react to situations, but respond to them. So it's a very deep model. can, I tell people you can walk 500 feet with it, or you can walk a hundred years with it. Like it is a dynamic model that you can continue using, you know, throughout your lifetime if you want to, or you can stay with kind of the fluffier personality side of it. that, mean, there's truly something for everyone with it.

Jennifer Kok (06:22)

It's funny because I've been at, I think more women-oriented type meetings, and if it comes up, people would be like, I'm an enneagram this, and they write off these numbers, and I'm always thinking, okay, I don't know what that means, but okay. So it's built on, is it four pillars? Physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual? Is that what it's kind of deep diving into you?

Renee Privette-Stutz (06:42)

So by business with Forevergreen, so part of the name Forevergreen, F-O-U-R, is these four health pillars that are completely separate from the Enneagram model. So the Enneagram model helps people with their physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual health. And that's kind of where I like married the two concepts of thinking of health beyond just our physical health and then using this tool for.

growth and self-awareness to fuel all aspects of our health.

Jennifer Kok (07:09)

Which I love because as business owners, you know, I always say it's all encompassing. Our spiritual life, our personal development, our family, our business, our, you know, physical health, it is all encompassing in order to be a successful business owner for a long term. Because we just don't have the support that corporate or people working outside of an entrepreneurial life have. And so we have to really almost kind of build it ourselves, if you will. So take me through.

If I was to come to you as a small business owner, the first step would be this test and then what? You're gonna give me a number? You're gonna say to me, hey, you're an Enneagram three, five, six. And then what do we do with that?

Renee Privette-Stutz (07:49)

Yeah. So then we, first I figure out what like your pain point is even before we do the testing. cause that can kind of help me chart where you are, on, on the growth path and make, you know, our sessions very practical for you. so we'll, we'll bring that into it, but then knowing your type, then we do like the first session would just be education around your type. So I'm a type two, for instance.

⁓ which is in the heart triad. I'm a very emotional person. So, you know, what it means to be a heart forward person. What are your blind spots of being a heart forward person? A two on the enneagram symbol. What relationship does that have with other numbers? And for a two, our big weakness is we don't have a lot of relationship with the head triad or the intellectual triad of the enneagram symbol. So that's a huge blind spot for me.

So then just kind of walking through the strengths and the weaknesses of your type and what that can reveal to you as a leader, how you communicate with others, how you react under stress. So there's a huge kind of educational component to like our early sessions of, yeah, like what does it mean that this is your type? And then we marry that with the pain points or what's going on in your life as a business owner, what's going on with your team.

challenges that you're having with growing your business or communicating with your team. And then we relate that to your type. And then, like I said, the symbol itself can kind of show us what resources you have to draw on. So your wings are the numbers on either side of you. So as a two, I have resources of a type one and a type three.

And then you have arrow lines. So within the symbol they have like arrows pointing. So as a two I have a relationship to the type eight and the type four. So that's four other types of like numbers that I have resources I can draw on to help with my weaknesses as a type two.

Jennifer Kok (09:36)

So that's interesting. like for instance, you said you're a type two, which is more heart centered. So you tend to probably make emotional decisions. So as a business owner, when you either want to spend money on something, invest in something, hire somebody, you might be without even knowing it, just what is already kind of ingrained in you to make this emotional decision without stepping back and thinking.

Renee Privette-Stutz (09:41)

Mm-hmm.

Jennifer Kok (09:59)

OK, I need to look at the data. I need to see the strategy behind this. So I can see how we're all wired with this default decision making. so knowing that you're a two is the idea then, I love how you say first of all awareness, because any time we're aware of anything, we can make it better. We can improve it. Is then to figure out who to bring in to help you make those decisions? Or can you kind of retrain yourself? Like, do people change numbers?

Renee Privette-Stutz (10:24)

Yeah, the big myth that I hear is people like, I was this number and now I'm this number. And the original Enneagram theory is no, you never change numbers. So you're always that number. You're born with that number. So like the original Enneagram teachers say, as you came out of the womb, you had like the influences of that number. And then early childhood really ingrained personality and these automatic behaviors into you.

⁓ But you're trying to be the high side of that number and draw on as many numbers as possible. So like the perfect human would be the perfect balance of all nine numbers. None of us will ever get there in this lifetime, but that's kind of the symbol is like representing like all the best qualities of humanity. So then you're just trying to get to the high side of your number. So how can I...

you know, bring out all the best qualities of a type two and work on my weaknesses. So as you mentioned, this could involve, you know, asking advice from people that I know are more intellectual or in the head triad. So there's three different triads with the Enneagram symbol. There's the heart triad or the emotional triad, the body center triad or gut center, and then the intellectual or mental center. And

It can be fun when everyone on your team knows their Enneagram number or like your friends know your Enneagram number because yeah, when I have to make a business decision that needs to be rooted in facts and data, you better believe I'm going to my head center friends and not trying to make these decisions like from my heart. And it can help clear up like miscommunications within a team.

I hear a lot of people that are in the gut or the head center, they think emotional people are weak or they can be like annoying in meetings. And when you know that that's just the center of the person's coming from, it helps you have more empathy as a leader, helps you meet them where they're at, can help dispel myths that an emotional person is not a strong person.

But when both sides of the party are meeting each other with awareness, then that emotional person can understand, okay, am I being a little bit too emotional in this situation? And my leaders meeting me halfway of understanding that this is like where I'm coming from. So that's where like the real magic of the Enneagram happens is when you can have a whole team using it to communicate with more awareness and lead with more awareness.

Jennifer Kok (12:42)

So for a solo entrepreneur, let's go through a couple different scenarios here. So for a solo entrepreneur who's making all the decisions, knowing their enneagram would help them, sounds like be aware so that they're not just jumping in and, you know, making something heart centered or just trusting their gut and going for it, which you kind of have to do that a little bit. But it would bring in the idea of, I know this about myself.

So it's important for me to find some outside counsel or mentorship that can help me with this decision. Is that a fair way to explain for a solo entrepreneur how best to use it?

Renee Privette-Stutz (13:18)

Yeah, definitely. And like a lot of mistakes, a lot of solo entrepreneurs, including myself, make is we bring in support that like looks, acts and talks like us. And so yeah, helps you diversify where you're going out for your, your resources, your advice, your business council. yeah.

Jennifer Kok (13:34)

I love that, because you're right. We always want to find the people that are just going to agree with us.

Renee Privette-Stutz (13:37)

Yeah. The big example that I use as tech companies for whatever reason, tend to be all people of the same type. And it's, it's usually these more head type people, great visionaries, but just like not good with like bogged down day-to-day tasks. And it's like, okay, they need like a type one person to be brought into this, you know, team. And so.

Jennifer Kok (13:38)

Yeah.

Renee Privette-Stutz (14:02)

with different businesses you see a little bit more of like types, you know, joining together and then there's no diversification of like skills.

Jennifer Kok (14:09)

Yeah, that's really interesting. OK, so now take us through a team of like 10 or under. Do you recommend that everybody on the team takes this test?

Renee Privette-Stutz (14:18)

I do, I do. if, you know, budgets are tight, say the leaders for sure, need to take it. And it really has to come from the top down, where the leaders are demonstrating this and, and just demonstrating a slowing down. So we're not always just going with what our like initial reaction is to the situation. So that's where, you know, your, your personality, you know, causes you to tell yourself a story.

every time you're like bothered by something or you're stressed by something and this model just teaches you like, okay, don't fall into that story that your personality is telling you, like slow down, you know, practice some awareness. But when the whole team can do it, that's when I said like both sides are meeting each other with awareness and compassion. And that's where I just see such growth with teams being able to get through conflict resolution.

and be more efficient with projects and things of that nature.

Jennifer Kok (15:13)

I mean, I can see from a ROI, this really is a huge helpful tool for businesses, not only for employee retention, improved communication, which is going to open up doors to growth. I mean, there is probably so many businesses out there that are just winging it, and the leaders dictating the culture and the style based on their personality without awareness of what's going on in the room.

Renee Privette-Stutz (15:37)

Mm-hmm.

Jennifer Kok (15:38)

You know, there are a lot of people out there that probably think these things are fluff, like they're a little too woohoo. But when you really think about if you use it and train yourself and train your staff on how to use it, how important it can be to the bottom line of your business.

Renee Privette-Stutz (15:52)

Absolutely. Like it's, it's a self-verifying psychological model, which, which can be tough to put into like numbers. but yeah, it's, it's the health of the team just really shines and verifies that, that this stuff really works. and as you mentioned too, just the, added employee benefit. I mean, that's.

That's like a beautiful side effect that I tell people that comes out of this, especially with smaller businesses that don't have an HR department. You don't have, you know, some of these fancy health incentives that bigger companies can offer their employees. And this, the Enneagram model gives people almost like a little bit of therapy for themselves. And then when I combined it with other forevergreen principles, like the physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual health, it just.

It helps leaders hold their employees in a compassionate way that encourages retention.

Jennifer Kok (16:42)

Yeah, I love that. So what about hiring? Do any companies use it as part of the hiring process before they're offered the position?

Renee Privette-Stutz (16:50)

Yeah, so I have worked with leaders that have interviewed candidates and we've done, so there's written tests that you can take that find out your type and there's typing interviews where it's basically me asking a series of questions and typing you in that interview. So I more commonly use the written test with leaders that are interviewing candidates. And this is where.

they're looking for a particular skill set or they have a lot of people of a certain type. And so it's not the main indicator of if they get hired or not, but it allows the leader to gain insight into what this person's natural skill sets are, what maybe some of their weaknesses, because that can be hard to bring out in an interview. mean, we try to...

bring our most authentic selves forward, but like both sides are trying to impress each other, so it can be hard to kind of get a true picture of people's strengths and weaknesses.

Jennifer Kok (17:45)

Yeah, and I think it would just help with, like you said before, the balance and the communication style. the tech companies have all these head-centered, gut-centered people where we need a little bit of balance. So give us a few examples of how you've been working with clients this first year. I know you've had some business clients. And you don't have to give us the nitty-gritty specifics. But take us through what you've done, what you're seeing, and what success stories have come out of.

when they hire somebody like yourself to administer the Enneagram, but then go further. Like, how do we implement this? How do we use it? Because I feel like as leaders, we like to offer these things because it makes us feel good like we're doing something, but then we don't use them. You know, we're just habitual people, right? We go back to our old habits and it's really hard to ingrain it in our day-to-day. So take us through like an example of how you work with businesses.

Renee Privette-Stutz (18:38)

Yeah. So an example of like a smaller company that has, so the company I'm thinking of, it's a 15 person team. And they were just experiencing a lot of like resentment amongst the pieces of that 15 person team. So they had like kind of three different teams and they weren't all divided evenly, but for the sake of this example, we'll just say like three groups of five.

and you know, when one group wasn't getting, you know, some of the, you know, backend stuff finished, there was like a lot of resentment building with like the other group. And then when they tried to bring their concerns together, it's like, they were only hearing what they were saying and not what the other person was saying. So there was just like, you know, to the point where the leaders were just like questioning, you know, is this, you know, do I need to like downsize and like get rid of half of these people so that we can like get along?

so it was like a gridlock of communication and just not being heard. and then, we did a test for everybody. so not just the leader that was doing it, but everyone got tested and then, ⁓ everybody got like a one-on-one visit with me where they could just kind of like unload where their pain points were, ⁓ where they were coming from. And then we just did, we did quarterly kind of lunch and learn sessions, with.

the group as a whole and just understanding, you know, what triad are we coming from? You know, what are this person's like strengths and weaknesses? What are like the unconscious limiting beliefs that are allowing me to not hear you when you're bringing up, you know, your stuff. And all I can think about is, okay, I had this like domineering father. So when a male's like yelling at me, I'm not hearing, I'm just like thinking I'm being belittled. So it's...

The Enneagram allows you to kind of bring in all this like unconscious or limiting beliefs and really explore it. It doesn't have to be as deep as therapy, but I say it ends up being therapy for a lot of these companies where we are now talking about your domineering father and not just your personality, but this is giving us the language and the conversation to have this and help you get over that. So you can now hear your leader more clearly or hear your colleague more clearly.

So yeah, that was like a huge success and they're still using the model. So we're going to go into this next year. I'm planning as a lot of companies are getting their budgets ready for 2026. How can we continue to use it? Where in 2026, we're going to look more at like the resources each number has. like people's wings and their airlines. And we're kind of over the initial education on type. Now we get to move into supporting.

numbers and supporting resources these people can use.

Jennifer Kok (21:11)

That's really interesting. you're seeing, you've only been working with them a short amount of time, but you're probably already seeing better communication, less finger pointing, less defensiveness. And do some of the, some of these people, once they get their enneagram and start to understand, and like you said, this could unpack some, some trauma or experiences that we had as, a younger person, do they sometimes want to do one-on-one work with you? Is that an option?

Renee Privette-Stutz (21:37)

Yeah, and then that's another way I'm growing my business is I sometimes get in with these groups, but then I can continue one-on-one as people need more time and attention and make necessary referrals. by no means ⁓ tell people that I'm a replacement for therapy, but it can unlock some things where then I'm making a referral for you to explore something with a therapist.

But that's where like the employee retention comes in is I'm coming in speaking to the group, but then we figure out that there's like a few employees that, you know, would really like to be supported in this way with some one-on-one sessions with me. They don't have an HR department. and, the employer is willing to sometimes, mitigate some of that cost or I can do like a special, depending on what type of coaching package they need. yeah, there's a lot of options that, that businesses can take with it.

Jennifer Kok (22:25)

thing you mentioned was the wings. you know, like you're two, which I have no idea what I am and I'm super interested in taking your typing interview, but the wings. if you're two, you're surrounding yourself with ones and threes or other numbers. Is that helpful for companies that want to put together a little collaboration, you know, cohorts, you know, maybe they're working on something like in marketing, something new, launching something and it's a group effort.

I feel like knowing your enneagram could make that even more successful because you would surround yourself with your wings. Is that how that would work?

Renee Privette-Stutz (22:59)

Yeah, yeah. So the, wings are the kind of the step one and then arrow lines are a little bit more difficult. yeah, initially it would be okay. Yeah. I need to, I need to be around like a healthy one and draw out the best qualities in them. Cause those resources are more readily available to me. Same with three. So you can, yeah, do when, when groups are a little bit bigger.

the magic really kind of unfolds because then you can start pairing people accordingly. And we've done it in some of the lunch and learns that I've done just with kind of some lighter group exercises, but pairing people strategically based on what they're trying to work on and what their numbers are.

Jennifer Kok (23:39)

Okay, that is really just really, really cool. I feel like anytime I've ever been in that type of setting or when you talk to people in companies like that, they're putting people together based on a hard skillset. This person's really good at the tech. This person's really good at the creative visionary. This person's good at taglines. We're going into skillsets versus how we're wired and our personality.

And I could see the power of putting a group together based on this more so than skill set, you maybe a combination of both, but having that awareness. I mean, that was just to me like an aha moment, almost like every business out there needs to know this in order to help their teams work better together. It's going to make you more profitable.

Renee Privette-Stutz (24:23)

Exactly. There's just so much intention that you can build in your business and with your team. And that's what like really gets me like fired up is because the more intentional as business owners that we're pouring into our business and our people, yeah, the more successful it's going to be. And like the Enneagram just gives you this key to like opening up this whole other door of ways you can be intentional with, your people, your team and your business.

Jennifer Kok (24:48)

Well, Renee, today was really enlightening for me because I will be completely transparent and honest. When I used to hear Enneagram, I used to think woohoo, and you know, it's out there. And I did not see the practical tactical reason to know it, and now I do. And I think the work that you're doing, not only with individuals, but with small businesses is so cutting edge and something that.

everyone really needs to embrace. So you are offering us as listeners a free gift. Will you tell us about the free gift?

Renee Privette-Stutz (25:18)

Yeah. So, ⁓ now until the end of November this year, ⁓ anyone that mentions this podcast episode, I am giving free typing interviews. cause that's truly how you get started on this journey is you know, type, and the amount of insights, and awareness that comes from that, like, will send you out on your journey. starting with that, works well. There's a lot of free testing.

⁓ kind of cutesy quizzes you can take online, but I think a real official typing interview helps you make sure you're not making any mistypes and then allows me to give you some education around that, type and your path forward.

Jennifer Kok (25:56)

What a generous gift, and I will make sure to put the link in the show notes of how you can reach out to Renee, take advantage of that. And then if anyone would like to learn more, I will put your website in the show notes as well. Is that the best way for them to reach out to you?

Renee Privette-Stutz (26:10)

Yeah, website or Instagram, you can reach out to me on there as well. And my email is on my website.

Jennifer Kok (26:16)

Awesome. Well, thank you, Renee, for sharing this. This was really ⁓ very interesting to me and I know interesting to others. So it was really a pleasure having you today.

Renee Privette-Stutz (26:24)

Yeah, thanks for having me on, Jen.

Jennifer Kok (26:25)

I'll be honest, when I first heard about personality typing, especially the Enneagram, I used to think it was a little woo. But after this conversation, I'm convinced every business owner and their team need this kind of self-awareness. It's not fluff. It's a framework. It's a smart business decision. It's going to help you with better communication, smarter decisions, and improve your leadership. You know, when we understand how we're wired, we can lead better. We can get rid of the chaos and lead with clarity.

Before we wrap up, if you're a woman entrepreneur who's building a business and a family at the same time, I want you to know you don't have to do it all alone and you don't have to stay stuck in survival mode. If you want more, if you want to scale your business in the next 90 days, I have developed the nine pillar framework to build a profitable business. We focus on increasing your confidence, clarity, money, and peace of mind. If you're ready to take the next step.

I'd love to invite you into my free webinar, The Three Keys to a Profitable Business. You can find the link in the show notes below. And don't forget to take advantage of Renee's free typing interviews. You can learn what enneagram type you are and how you can start to lead better in your team. Thank you so much for tuning in. I really appreciate you listening. And of course, I would love for you to leave a five-star review and also share this episode with someone you know who could benefit from it. Until next time, keep supporting your local businesses.