The Science Pawdcast

In this episode, we chat with Jason Zakwelski, a high school chemistry teacher and host of The Science Pawdcast, where he blends his love for science and pets. Jason shares hilarious stories from his classroom, the science behind his viral social media account featuring his dogs, and what we can learn from the empathy of our furry companions. Join us as we explore the fascinating world of science, animals, and the importance of staying connected to nature.

Wild Wisdom from Jason Zackowski’s Episode

1. The Power of Empathy – Dogs can sense our emotions and act to comfort us, a reminder for us to be more empathetic and present in our relationships with others.
2. Science is Everywhere – Jason’s podcast highlights that fascinating science is happening all around us, whether it’s the latest discovery about pets or the vast mysteries of the cosmos.
3. Connecting with Nature – Just being present in nature, away from the distractions of daily life, can bring peace and a deeper connection to the world around us.

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so closely bonded to us that they that this creature cares about enough about how we feel that they act upon it to lessen our pain welcome to wild development studio join us as we venture into the breathtaking realm of wildlife arts and untamed adventures with captivating stories from the field and ideas to dive into the visual arts will ignite your passion for conservation. 
Get ready to develop something wild. 
Welcome to Wild Developments, where you can break free from the daily grind and rediscover your wild side with art and adventure. 
I'm your guide, Lauren, and today we have on an exciting guest. 
Jason Zakwelski. By day, he's a chemistry teacher, and in his free time, 
he is the host of the the science podcast. 
It is a show that blends together science and pets in the perfect way. 
Jason breaks down the latest science happening in both the human world and the pet world, 
bringing fascinating guests and topics that will leave you laughing, learning, and wanting more. 
Whether it's an interview with a scientist on side chat or a fun heartwarming gathering of the pet community on pet chat, 
Jason's podcast has it all. 
Science, empathy, and cuteness wrapped into one. 
So let's dive into today's episode and explore the world of science and pets. 
Jason, thank you so much for being here today. 
I am super excited. 
So you've got a podcast or a pod cast. 
But before we start talking about that, you are a chemistry teacher by day. 
Can you tell us a little bit about that? 
Yes. By day, I am a chemistry teacher. 
Teacher um i teach mostly chemistry with some general science yeah that's my first calling and then on the side i have a whole thing with two science dogs that are very very adorable that bunsen and beaker right is that your dog's name yeah bunsen the bernice mountain dog yeah and beaker the golden retriever oh do you like the muppets or was it just the chemistry thing it was both because bunsen is a burner so he's a bunsen burner which is also a piece of chemical chemistry equipment so my dad is a chemist and he loves it it was very difficult for me what what is it about chemistry that you like oh it's got to be setting things on fire and not going to jail like that is the number one that's the number one thing if there's smoke and there's fire and something there's a hole in the roof everybody just blames me and the kids love it it's I mean like if a kid is tired and you make an explosion they're not tired no more they're listening to your lesson out of fear or out of engagement like both is good yeah as in that Machiavellian you got the fear and the respect and yeah that's funny so do you have a favorite activity that you do uh like a science experiment or something that the kids will talk about and get passed down from year to year like you gotta you cannot wait until gosh how do you pronounce your last name zakowski like wazowski from monsters incorporated nice i can't wait until mr zakowski is you know does this in class do you have that i got yeah i got two i do this massive wax explosion very very simple extremely dangerous and only trained idiots like myself try to pull it out you know try to get it to go makes an enormous fireball we are in our um our science center has has huge tall ceilings so it makes like a i don't know 25foot fireball like enormous fireball and then i do a very famous one that a lot of the big science presenters do it's a liquid nitrogen hot water explosion um i do that at assemblies and uh and when i get i go out to our smaller schools like the elementary schools and put on science shows sometimes for them and that's the big showstopper at the end is the big liquid nitrogen explosion dude you sound like a super fun chemistry teacher my chemistry teacher in high school she was like this little old lady that literally wrote the textbooks and yeah she was a stickler but you sound like a really fun chemistry teacher well you know book learning there's something to book learning um but you know sometimes the book gets set on fire and you got to learn in a different way i'm sure those those things stick with the kids and lifelong memories right there. 
So from science teacher to science podcast, what inspired you to start podcasting? 
Yeah. So our, we, we started to have a little bit of virality on social media when, 
um, I started a Twitter account for our dog Bunsen and I tried, 
I started to tweet through the eyes of a dog who loves science. 
So it was a really interesting kind of like you know fantasy people because it was text -based right you could read this and think it was a dog tech you know tweeting um and but i was always limited by the amount of characters of course now on x it's called now x not twitter you can have enormous long posts um but i also wanted my own voice to talk about science instead of like you know an adorable dog who loved moose legs and bacon um so that's where the science podcast came from is it was a way to bring the human that was definitely the you know the muppeteer behind the show behind the social media accounts out into the front and uh and then i've been able to talk to some really amazing scientists in the what is it gosh five years i've been running this the podcast so that's. 
It's impressive. And congratulations on passing my childhood hero, Bill Nye, the science guy in podcast ratings. 
Well, that's on Good Pods. 
We did. We zoomed by him. 
I can't recommend Good Pods enough for smaller podcasts. 
Yeah, we're not Joe Rogan numbers, but yeah, we did pass Bill Nye. 
I've met him a couple of times. 
Very nice gentleman. 
Woman. That's pretty awesome. 
So as far as like your guests that you've had on the show, 
what are some standout ones that you can think of? 
Oh man. You know, like every scientist that we get to talk to, 
they are experts in their little corner of science and they, they speak with their, 
they speak about what they know and love so much with such passion. 
It's really hard hard to like pick a few. 
I love talking to like scientists to study an animal and they're all in on squid or painted dogs or, 
you know, any, any kind of animal, even like common animals that are around everybody every day, 
like a sparrow, right? 
They're scientists that have devoted their entire life to studying the different, you know, 
species of sparrows. 
But I have to give a nod to our space scientists the astrophysicists and the cosmologists getting to talk to um cosmologists about black holes and dark matter and where the matter on earth came from at one point it gives it makes you feel like you're connected to this much grander thing but we're all so very very. 
Very tiny in the big scheme of the universe. 
So Dr. Katie Mack is still my favorite guest I've ever had. 
She's one of the leading cosmologists in the world. 
Dr. Mack is awesome. 
That's really neat. 
And I saw that you've done over 400episodes when I was coming. 
That is so many. 
And, you know, you're pretty niched down. 
When I was niching down, I'm like. 
Like, God, am I going to run out of topics to talk about? 
Was that something that ever made you afraid? 
No, there's always science. 
Like our show breaks down a topical science news item. 
And it's just anything that I find interesting that week. 
And then we look at science that's happening in the world of pets. 
There's always really cool science happening in the world of pets. 
And the third part of it is an interview with a scientist. 
And there's no shortage of scientists that love to talk about what they love. 
Very good. 
Now, having done this for five years, has there been any lessons that you've learned about yourself or podcasting in general? 
I think you have to really love podcasting because it's not something that generally you can make a living at. 
Like only the top, top, top podcasters can quit their day job. 
And and that's what they do right so um we like most podcasters we have a patreon like thing and that that is secondary to the love of communicating a message that you're passionate about so that's what i would you know if i had any advice to podcasters just starting out is um you'll know after like you've done 10episodes if you want to do 10more yeah i was a part of another podcast and i thought i am never doing this again we did that for like three years and i'm like i'm never podcasting again and i was out of the game for like maybe eight months before i'm like i miss it so much it's just so cool meeting people from all over the world you know zoom really made that that easy for to do now we just had a big science event at the beginning of april did you catch out the solar eclipse my wife and i so i'm canadian i live in alberta canada um my wife and i flew to dallas texas for it um i planned this months and months ahead right like the next one in north america is 2044or something like that like a long time from now um and texas was our best bet both economically to fly because anywhere in canada flying is really expensive and for cloud color cover but literally two weeks before the eclipse maybe you followed it a massive storm blew in and sat over texas and we were very worried we would we would miss it um luckily we drove until we saw sky found a little town called sulfur springs um that was in the total path of totality and we saw the eclipse and it was like it was i don't maybe not life -changing i want to say it's the coolest thing i ever experienced in my life though it was like by far the coolest thing i've ever experienced yeah i'm addicted now i i need to see another totality event because it was like it was almost like being on a movie set or something like you're just standing around looking like is this real life just how dark it got with the 360degree sunset and we were this town in texas and everybody was cheering and crying and clapping um um like it was as close to a spiritual event as I think I could probably speak about you know yeah did you notice anything weird with the animals or anything where you were no no I was um I saw the stars the stars came out I believe there was a planet Jupiter like we could see Jupiter like uh that was very very cool but we were also in the middle of like a little town so the hustle and bustle of birds and stuff was not something I could really see i did notice other science communicators were out in the middle of nowhere and they did make that comment that birds went home and you know they everything kind of was like oh it's time to go to bed yeah and we've got another big science event coming up with the uh two cicada broods coming out are you following that at all or i guess in canada you're not going to really know the cicadas where we live is the kid is going to be froze to death so that we don't have those bugs um I I've never in my I've never seen a cicada in my life I do know that they like crawl out of the earth ever so often and they go bananas um just east of us in Saskatchewan we have the garter snake unearthing where all of the garter snakes that have been burrowed under the ground they come out all at one time and writhe upon the ground and creep everybody out so I don't know what's worse cicadas coming out or like half a million garter snakes um where is this in the world saskatchewan it's just east of us it's the canadian province that looks like a rectangle i'm never going there sounds like nothing for fuel have you ever witnessed that yeah yeah i did yeah as bananas like oh gosh like uh indiana jones would have a rough go you know oh yeah. 
Yeah, he would be freaking out for sure. 
The, the cicadas, I mean, they don't bite, they don't hurt people at all. 
I mean, I guess, you know, snakes, as long as you leave them alone, 
they're not going to bother you either, but the cicadas have quite a smell to them. 
And yeah, there are some concerns locally that if your pet eats enough of them, 
it can make them sick. 
So that's what I was wondering if you had any thoughts on that, 
but you don't probably think about that being up in Canada no our our dogs find like moose legs and things like that it's a little different so has that been a problem ever it's a it's a true story uh Bunsen found 11moose legs over spring spring and uh winter um is the whole thing 11that math isn't mathing no there's a one -legged moose out there that's hopping around I know I i've done the math too so like did bigfoot did he find bigfoot slayer or like how how did that happen we have so like it's it's part of the social media like we have very big social media accounts with the dogs and it is endless conjecture how bunsen found these legs and where the moose poached you know like hunters could take them out right or we have scary predators like murder cats like you know big cougars and stuff that maybe could take down the moose a pack of wolves maybe so they don't i mean we have harsh winters maybe they didn't make the winters um but for whatever reason bunsen was very happy for their demise i'll tell you that i bet he was very happy wow yeah and it's still a mystery how he got 11he just kept finding them um like there's one was have you have you seen the the the disney's sword in the stone you know you had the anyways there's like a moose like sticking up out of the frozen snow and he worked at it day after day but he wasn't worthy until finally it melted enough and he got this like frozen moose leg out of the snow and he was worthy you know like thor picking up molten you know thor's hammer you know oh gosh and there's no concern about i mean i guess he can eat on a moose leg we don't want him to eat we don't want him to eat random things yeah so we try to take it away but he it's a whole thing he runs away with them and brings like a 50pound leg back to home and we got to trade a popsicle for it or something like that it's like a you'd have to if you follow bunsen and beaker you know what i'm talking about but if you don't it's the craziest thing in the world well now i'm gonna have to follow bunsen and beaker just to see that because because that sounds hilarious it's hilarious so what can we learn about being better human beings from our furry friends like okay so that's that's a great question you know um like better human beings to each other to each other or animals or just in in general yeah so i don't know know i posted the other day about um i i build replica costumes and i'm i'm in something called con crunch it's like you know our the convention's happening on saturday this little costume bit wasn't working i had a man child hissy fit and i threw it across the room and sulked you know like i'm a bit ashamed of my actions and beaker our golden she didn't give up on me she smiled she came over to me she nudged me and you know in about 30seconds i wasn't upset anymore and i think what makes dogs so special is the amount of empathy that they have you know like. 
Like they, they, they feel our feelings and probably more than that, they smell our feelings and that really affects them. 
And it is, it is almost magical that this creature from 20,000,
50,15,000years ago is so closely bonded to us that they, 
that this creature cares about enough about how we feel that they act upon it to lessen our pain. 
Um and i think we could all be a little bit more aware of our fellow human humans around us and act with a little bit more empathy so from person to person i think that's what we can learn from dogs well at least the goldens and the labs because my husky could care less unless i have a treat but my um he's a lab mix and if somebody is upset or even if we haven't even told anybody we're upset we're kind of keeping that to ourselves if george will get extra snuggly with whoever's feeling down at the moment and and gosh goldens and labs have the best smile out of any dog oh their smiles just blast away the darkness oh yeah i wonder that's my georgie right oh i think he smiled yeah and then that's my cat cats are a whole nother thing do you have any cats yeah we have a cat named ginger um that's there's a whole story about how we got her but cats cats are have big brains you know they're not they're not they're not aloof monsters i think they get a bad rap for being like this like you know they're little psychopaths in your house but they're not i mean some cats can be some dogs can be but in general cats do do have empathy they're a mammal they have a mammalian brain like we do they feel fear they feel anger. 
They feel hunger. 
And if they feel that they probably feel love in their version of love, 
like how we do. 
I often compare cats and dogs, like males and females, like the dogs are like a male and cats are like females, 
a little bit more like standoffish or whatever. 
But how did you come across Ginger? 
So I'm super allergic to cats, like like wicked allergic to cats and on my podcast i broke down a science story about this cat food that that binds the fel d1 protein in cat saliva so cats lick themselves look at their hair they shed the hair splinters cat hair is very splintery that's what makes most people allergic like 50of people are allergic to the cat saliva something like half of 25it's other things and. 
And like grossly, 25of it is cat urea, like pee, that people are allergic to the fumes. 
So this food binds to the saliva in their mouth. 
So when they go to lick themselves, they have way less VELD1 protein. 
So my family used that against me. 
They knew about this study and they're like, well, now we can get a cat because we'll just feed her this protein and you won't be allergic anymore. 
Feed her this cat food and it worked. 
So we have this adorable sassy orange cat named ginger um and she's an internet darling there's people that follow boats in a beaker but there's also people that follow us just for ginger content she's a little sweetheart yeah so what is the name of this food because i'm allergic and i still have a cat uh pro clear i think it's called green pro clear you might have to double my wife buys the food for the cat yeah i'm gonna have to check that live clear yeah it only works 50of the time just a disclaimer right because you could be allergic to other things the cat has yeah so do you like having a cat now that you're not allergic so i love dogs bunsen is my wife's dog um during the pandemic she taught from home and they had this like they formed this like unbreakable bond so no matter like how much i try to love this burner he likes he really likes me but man does he love my wife and our golden loves our son adam so guess which animal loves me the most you got the cat the cat the cat is like my buddy so i'm in my podcast room and the cat is like knocking on the door to come in um she follows me around the house she sleeps on my side of the bed like it's just she's chosen me as her person which is you know if you study cats that's actually pretty on par cats will generally pick the person that likes cats the least because there's they they can control how you interact with them or they have a power move on you yeah the cats are a little bit more i guess manipulative like that i would say yeah they well they're protecting themselves right they don't necessarily want to get manhandled like a dog so they'll pick the person who's allergic are less likely to pet them roughly ah they're smart yeah cats are pretty smart so let's see where do i want to go with this question 400episodes what what is the plan for the podcast you're just gonna what what are you thinking so i hit a wall i always take a month month and a bit break in december um i take december off and then most of january probably i take half of december and all of january story and this last break i was just feeling like i've been hitting a wall right like i i needed to take a more of a break or think about how to do things differently um and like on social media my wife and i do together this show this live show called pet chat and i have like all of this technology you can't see but i've got a roadcaster and all these like dongles and things like that that allow me to from my phone multicast our show to twitter and um instagram and facebook and live video like all this stuff so we do this show um and my wife has like grown into this amazing co -host with me like we have a good back and forth and the last couple podcast episodes she's joined as a co -host and. 
And it's totally changed how much I, I love, I love it. 
I love just, it's like, cause I love my wife. 
I love talking to her. 
And I'm so looking forward to doing more podcasts with her. 
Right. 
Just bringing in like a fresh voice. 
And she's really funny and she puts me in my place and people love it. 
People love it when I get put in my place. 
And, and, you know, I'm, I love self deprecating humor. 
So i think the plan is to continue um but i'm really happy to bring chris into the shows going forward so you if you listen to our early shows it's just me talking except for we have a tiny family section at the end where we talk about the dogs but the latest episodes chris will be on as my co -host so well that's really sweet do you have any dream guests that you would like to have on like uh bill nye the science guy or anything like that i was this close to booking dr degrace tyson what i know we had a yes we had a date and then uh something came up and that was the last i heard from the agent so uh i know i was so i think they realized i wasn't like we weren't the biggest podcast ever i maybe you know did a good job of marketing to them to be on the show because we have a huge social media following right um and then but our podcast numbers maybe don't reflect that some weeks uh and i'm sure they did some digging and they're like well this guy's not really you know anyways maybe that's what i think or maybe he just got busy got a different agent uh bill nye the science guy would be awesome as well yeah did you ever watch oh who was the other guy Carl Sagan Carl Sagan was another great science communicator yeah well the same time as. 
Bill Nye the science guy and he had the crazy hair do you remember that one uh the crate no we had Mr. 
Wizard in Canada who was like about the same time Carl Sagan was the American guy so i would love to have had mr wizard but he's he's long since passed um another another famous canadian guy i'd love to talk to but he's as long as his past is um the ernie combs who played mr dress up i don't know if you've ever heard of the mr dress up tv show that was a very popular canadian tv show it sounds familiar yeah and then uh commander chris hadfield is a canadian an astronaut he brought the guitar to the iss he's got like a handlebar mustache maybe folks recognize that and he's saying he's saying a song on the iss very cool guy so those are some of my dream guests for sure that is neat yeah it's kind of a weird world the podcasting world because some people are like yeah for free no big deal and then other times you got to go through agents and they want to know your numbers and your reads and everything and so i just had i had to cancel a podcast I was going to be a guest on because if I had to reschedule. 
It was $150fee. 
And if it was a no call, no show, for whatever reason, it was going to be a $200fee. 
And if I was able to, I had to send in a video explaining why I couldn't be on the show and they would air that instead. 
And I'm like, comfortable with any of that. 
So just know. 
Oh, well, I had to cancel on you because my day job got in the way and you were very gracious to reschedule so thank you for not charging me a couple hundred bucks i was telling my husband i'm like if i charged 150for every time i somebody had to reschedule with me i would probably make a thousand dollars within the past month because i'm doing so many interviews right now so it's inevitable you know it's life people have day jobs and life happens it's no big deal but uh yeah i don't know i i haven't i take nothing personally when guests cancel or reschedule and i it's a joke i i take nothing personal from dr degrease's tyson tyson's agent ghosting me like i get it like bigger things probably came up maybe maybe another show or something he was going to be on the tonight show with you know jimmy fallon or something like that bigger fish to fry than my podcast i almost feel like this is seven degrees of uh tyson i he was supposed to be at some event in ohio through the astrology club and they were like this close to getting him for the solar eclipse and then he he kind of goes to them so i'm i'm feeling like there's a theme there with this guy yeah well he's what like if you if you think about the top five science communicators in the world he's he's at near the top right absolutely he's probably a very busy guy yeah so do you guys take your dogs on vacations anywhere do you have a favorite uh trail or hike that you like to take them on we so um for folks that follow us on social media they know we live on a farm in in central alberta canada um not too far away is the rocky mountains so we you know on a clear day you can see them in the mountains call that's like maybe you've heard that before um the mountains call to you so born and bred albertans like me when we see the rockies they call to us and you have to go eventually the sirens call will bring you back to the mountains so we go hiking in the mountains with the dogs um i love winter hiking so put on some crampons which are like you know spiky things you put on your boot and you just give her go through the you know up snowy hills through the mountains no matter how cold it is it's just gorgeous in the winter um i'm a cross -country skier so i cross -country ski with the dogs on our farm and uh uh we've taken the dogs to the coast it's quite a drive for us west coast um one of the most beautiful places in the world is the pacific northwest i i think in my opinion um so we've taped we've been to vancouver island a couple times with them and there's and the the. 
The cool thing about that whole West side of Vancouver Island. 
Canada is it's a very dog friendly. 
Like you can take your dog to the beach. 
So there's just, it's just a dog's playground. 
The whole beach for endless sand, as far as the eye can see and just you and your dogs. 
Awesome. 
Not a very, it's very hard to get to. 
So there's less people. 
Yeah. 
Well, that must be nice. 
Yeah. 
Yeah. 
So is there any special consideration for Bunsen and Beaker when when they're out in the snow do they have the little like dog boots or anything like that uh so bunsen is pretty much impervious to all forms of cold and i'm talking like extreme canadian cold not like you know oh it's chilly like minus 40degrees celsius cold he's pretty much impervious probably like your husky husky probably just laughs puffs oh yeah she'll sleep out in the snow yeah yeah and huskies are like when we when you break down which dog breed does the best huskies are near the top they do better than burners beaker does get cold if you have a golden retriever that lives outside they can become acclimated to very very cold weather beaker doesn't she lives inside um so we had booties for her when it got cold but we bought these new things and a couple of our videos went viral of her wearing them they're snow pants so they go on like they look like um uh like western chaps you know like the cowboys would wear they go i don't want to swear but you know you know the word blankless chaps yeah um right on both the front and the back and they're held together by a suspender system and as soon as she got used to those she she was a different dog because when it got super cold she would be tentative after a bit and she like her paws when it's minus 30that's way too cold for the average dog but she can just blow through that with her snow pants on and she was keeping up with bunsen and they were having so much fun so we took some video of it and it was like it was one of our viral videos on social media i because i bet it's adorable and of course they have to have no butt in the back because they need need room for the tail right yeah and to go pee and poop like some people are like where's the why why does it look like that i'm like what how how are they gonna go number one and two if they've got real pants on but it does answer that meme how would dogs wear pants if they wore pants we were able to answer that with those snow pants that's how they wear them well that's just because people designed them that way that's true you know you could always do the off do the front legs have okay yeah front and back interesting okay i'm gonna i'm i'm surprised i don't already follow your dogs on canada pooch is the company that sells these called canada pooch okay people can look i mean we should probably be an affiliate for them for how many times i've referenced people to to go take a look at their website um it caused like an unbelievable amount of fighting though when videos go fire viral like looky loos come out of the woodwork to just fight and people were like gold retrievers don't need those and and of course they're like somebody from i don't know california talking about their dog in california doesn't need snow pants i'm like it's a little bit different weather yeah compared to alberta canada um i think it's a little colder up here than uh california i know you get snow in california but a little bit colder up there yeah my georgie would like those because he like i said he's a mix and he looks like he skipped leg day so he's got a potato on top and like really skinny legs so he would definitely like that we have a jacket for him that covers it but his little legs are pretty exposed yeah um do you guys do you have a personal favorite experience outdoors um so i i absolutely love um kayaking and paddle boarding in the mountains so like personally for me like if not including the dogs there is there is something so peaceful about kayaking or paddling across like an aquamarine mountain lake that's got that rock salt in it so the color of the water is like a emerald color um you can see the bottom and you're surrounded by mountains and it's there's no hustle and bustle of traffic like you just feel your stress go like just leave your for me that would probably be very stressful for people who don't like kayaking or paddleboarding um and like i've trained beaker to go paddleboarding with me so she stands she sits on she stands on the front of the paddleboard like a pirate and she goes around me she loves it oh so a memorable experience of putting those both together was bunsen is huge right he's a bernice mountain dog like he's a big dog so he does not go on the paddleboard with me because i'm a big guy i'm six foot three um he goes in the kayak with my wife and for some reason the last time we went in the summer last summer he bailed he jumped out of the kayak we don't know why he was normal he just sits there like he sits there like a prince and he's like hmm and he just dove over the side and did the non -swimmer thing because he cannot swim now they have life jackets on so like we're we're very safe with the dogs both beaker and bunsen were life jackets so i had and then beaker jumped to try and rescue bunsen we think and they switched so i had to like haul bunsen up onto the paddleboard this wet sopping 100pound 120pound dog so because he's wet now and beaker's like in the the kayak so a couple of those videos we took of the aftermath and uh for some reason bunsen blamed me for the fiasco and refused to look at me for about two hours after i rescued him and brought him to shore and i'm like the guy that saved his life i had nothing to do with him jumping out of the kayak and he just like pretended i was dead to him like would not acknowledge me he's like i could have saved myself dad if you saw the video that was doubtful that poor guy so i know he's such a bad swimmer our george does that too where the paws come up and out of the water and it's like just keep them in buddy yeah he was doing he was doing this and his eyes were so big oh gosh so where can people find you at and see all these videos of your dogs and and follow along we are on all the social medias um bunsen and beaker so our biggest account is twitter or x bunsen burner bmd is the full name bunsen burner bmd and burners with an e so like the bernice mountain dog instagram it's bunsen burner dot bmd and facebook and tiktok it's bunsen burner but if you search for bunsen and beaker on any social media site you'll find us or muppets so. 
So well, that's pretty easy to win, win, win, win. 
And then the podcast, are you guys on all the podcast platforms there too? 
Yeah. 
We're, we're everywhere. 
Um, uh, we've been really impressed with this hosting site called good pods. 
That's great for smaller podcasts. 
Like us. 
Yeah. 
I'm going to have to check that out. 
As soon as I hang up with you. 
Yeah. 
Good pods is awesome. 
We really like the interface. 
It's cool. 
Cool good i'm gonna check that out and then before we go what is one tip that you have for someone that would like to connect with nature be present nature is always present and i've said this to so many people like when you go out into nature and nature can be anything it can be a park in your city it can be outside your back door in an alley it can be a farmer's field it can be wading through enormous snow drifts in an alberta winter but nature isn't on its phone you know nature isn't worried about tomorrow nature is just present and if you take a second to just be with nature i mean it's my it's my favorite thing it's my favorite thing to just just be outside and feel the work. 
Feel the rain, feel the breeze, listen to the sounds instead of other human concerns. 
Just give yourself that time. 
And that's my advice. 
It's perfect advice. 
Thank you so much for being on the show today, Jason. 
No problem. This was a blast. 
Yeah. And until next time, get outside and see what develops. 
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