Overcomers Approach

Inspiring conversation with Kerie Logan on transforming adversity into purpose, healing trauma, and embracing self-love through hypnotherapy and coaching

• Nichol Ellis-McGregor • Season 5 • Episode 2

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Kerie Logan's transformative journey from the structured corridors of the corporate world to the healing spaces of hypnotherapy and coaching is nothing short of inspirational. After the world-altering events of 9/11, Carrie found herself drawn to grief support, ultimately discovering her true calling in helping others navigate their personal growth. Her story is one of resilience, turning unexpected challenges like job loss into opportunities for success. Join us as we explore how embracing courage and recognizing life's subtle signs can guide us towards our true purpose, offering a beacon of hope for those facing their own crossroads.

The conversation takes a deeper turn as we discuss the multifaceted nature of trauma and its lingering effects, such as PTSD and self-sabotaging behaviors. We dive into the temporary solace found in external comforts like food and alcohol and the crucial role of self-care in the healing process. Carrie offers insight into breaking free from toxic relationships and emphasizes the power of effective communication. Discover how even indirect trauma can affect us and learn about the brain's remarkable ability to rewire itself toward healing. This segment also delves into the roots of narcissism, advocating for compassion and understanding as tools to prevent the perpetuation of toxic behaviors.

Lastly, we touch on the unique challenges and rewards of parenting children with special needs, contrasting approaches between 3D and 4D consciousness homes. From fostering communication and collaboration to setting healthy boundaries, Kerie shares her personal journey toward self-love and the importance of investing in oneself. Her insights underscore the transformative power of therapy and coaching, reminding us all of the potential for personal growth and fulfillment even after adversity. For those seeking guidance, resources abound at her website and through her podcast, "Master the Upper Rooms." Kerie's story is a testament to finding strength, purpose, and joy despite the odds.

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Speaker 1:

Good day everyone. This is Nicole Ellis McGregor, the founders of the Overcomers Approach podcast. This is a format that I created to help people who are maybe struggling or maybe going through a journey in life where they want to really overcome, and I'm so happy that I am able to communicate with different people and have them as guests on my show who can help us be a guide or lead the way or a direction or a service and it's different people from different backgrounds, different experiences, but the one overarching theme is that we really want to overcome a life in whatever aspect or whatever space that we're in, whether that's being a parent, individually, holistically, or a combination of all those. I just want to thank Ms Carrie Logan for being here this morning. I want to do a brief introduction of some of the amazing work that she has done. She brings decades of expertise in the mental health, spirituality and personal growth development space and in this episode we maybe want to explore some of the elements that people need to overcome or they need support, or they may have challenges in, or maybe they want to elevate their life.

Speaker 1:

She has helped people all over the globe to improve their lives. She has been a therapist and a coach for over 20 years. In 2004, she was awarded the best coach of the year at the PCH yearly convention. She has been voted the best hypnotherapist in the area in this area in the past 14 consecutive years. She's also an author, spiritual advisor, blogger and podcaster. Kiri welcome and thank you. Like that's a mouthful, I know, I just want to give you your accolades and just let everyone know and I'm sure there's like so much more. I'm just so happy to have you here. And to start out with my first question what brought you into the field of mental health and coaching? What led you here?

Speaker 2:

Well, it's really interesting because, like most people, we do what we're taught to do or thought to do. Like you know, if you want to make a living, you got to go out in the corporate world. You got to do this and and I did like most people. And when 911 happened, I was like that's it. I got laid off, I need a job and I sort of went into grief support in the beginning.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

And then when I got laid off of that because they couldn't afford to pay, that I ended up I mean, it's a long story I kind of made a YouTube video about it, but I did end up moving to an area where there was an advertisement for someone that wanted to make a positive difference in this world, and my background was sales and marketing.

Speaker 2:

And when I got to the place it was Positive Changes Hypnosis. It was one of their centers and I was super excited and the guy gave me a tour of the place and I literally had this portfolio, like three inches thick, of everything I do.

Speaker 1:

Okay.

Speaker 2:

And when I said, hey, do you want to see my portfolio? He's like oh no, the job's already yours. You know I knew I was going to hire you, and so the nice thing about it is they wanted the staff to be trained in hypnotherapy.

Speaker 2:

So, I got all free training in, like weight loss, stop smoking, cancer, personal change, all that it was. It was great training. I even got my coaching training there. It's the place that that gave me an award. And but here's the real kicker is one day I got in a disagreement with the owner's sister and I thought she was going to get me fired. And I went to my manager and I said it was the day before Thanksgiving and I was a single mom at the time. So I go to my manager and I say, hey, I think she's trying to get me fired. And she said, actually she is. And here's your final check.

Speaker 1:

Well, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Day before Thanksgiving and I was like wait a minute.

Speaker 1:

Okay.

Speaker 2:

I'm the best one here. I got three months of clients booked with you that you just gave me an award and she said she's family and you're not, so you have to go. And so I went home and I prayed and I was just like God and I hope your people are okay with this.

Speaker 1:

Oh, for sure yes.

Speaker 2:

Some people are, some people aren't, and I was like, if this is my calling, the sign that this is what I am meant to do, supposed to do, everyone says this is my gift. Give me a sign that's so clear. I can't mistake it because I love it. So what I teach is how people can shift their consciousness. So what I did was I jumped out of fear.

Speaker 2:

I learned courage and I got neutral and I called that lady that got me fired and I thanked her. I thanked her for getting me fired because I said I'm going to look back at this as a blessing in disguise, so I forgive you. You know where it's all. Ok, yes, the very next day, and miracles do happen.

Speaker 2:

The very next day, a client that became a friend was planning to come over for Thanksgiving. She knew what happened and she said I have a gift for you and you're the best one there. I don't, I can't understand why they did this, but I've been sitting on this and I really want to help you out. And in the Thanksgiving card was a check for ten thousand dollars that, that's amazing, that's fine. Yeah, and and she said I want you to start your own business.

Speaker 2:

And what was really neat is it was two brothers that started Positive Changes, hypnosis, and Michael Porter was one of them, and when I told him what happened, he was like well, the universe had to kick you in the butt to leave because you would not have willingly left on your own. Yes, and you were carried precisely the way you were supposed to. He's like yes, start your own business, do this.

Speaker 2:

You know you're amazing at it and it did, and so that's the real key thing is we all need to step out of fear and align with courage and and do the right thing, Because I call that maturity, because we all know people that are adults physically, that are adults physically but, immature up here.

Speaker 1:

Yes, yes, I can so identify with that, you know, and some key elements that I really loved, everything it really resonated with me. But when you apologized, well, you said you know, no-transcript have not matured yet, have not reached up to the level that it needs to, and I so love that. And then you said miracles do happen and they do, and I completely agree with you and I'm sure that praying had you said you had to pray to God to just to see like now is going and you know, and how you opened up that card and there was a ten thousand dollar check in there to get you into your purpose, and so I love it because those things really do happen and you're an example of that and I'm so appreciative of that and so many of my listeners need to hear these types of stories to know that it is still very possible. But a lot of people operate out of fear and to get to that level it takes courage. It really really does.

Speaker 1:

What do you think? What do you think the role of spiritual growth plays in overcoming adversity? Because that was that was that was adversity right there. It was before Thanksgiving. They had to choose a family member over you, you. You definitely had your. You had your, everything there, you know. You had your proof there. You had, you had put in the work and you put skin in the game and still the outcome was not what you expected. How did spirituality play a role in you overcoming your adversity in that space?

Speaker 2:

It was really just having faith and surrendering my expectations and what I think it should be, because the universe brings to us what we can align to and what we match, because we are energetic beings having a human experience, and so I had to get out of my own way. I had to get out of my fears, my insecurities, my vulnerability and I had to literally align with I call it 4D human. I had to get out of 3D human consciousness up into 4D and really believe that I was going to be taken care of.

Speaker 1:

And.

Speaker 2:

I always say this, that our creator is our employer, and that's another belief I really have, where it's like give me a sign that's so clear I can't mistake it. And that was just leaving it wide open, because it knows what my heart wants. My heart can want something completely different than up here, that's right and so I needed to align with that, and every time a fearful thought entered my mind, I just kept saying to myself I'm going to be taken care of.

Speaker 2:

I'm going to be okay, I'm going to be taken care of and I created that mantra in my mind because we can sit in, stew and work and fester and that think of, if you know about law of attraction. It's kind of like you're hitting the remote control and pausing it and stopping it and the more you do that you can even rewind it where you just stay stuck in fear and it's like no, if I want something positive to happen, I need to stay at least neutral and in a place of courage, trusting that everything is going to be OK, that I'm going to be OK.

Speaker 1:

And I was. Yes, I love that. I, like you said, at least we could stay in neutral, you know, and I think it as a position of just standing If we can't do anything else. We could definitely stand in neutral, just as we keep our car, you know, in neutral. You know we're not really moving forward, not moving backwards, but it sounds like we're just kind of assessing and just being in that moment and standing. That's a sign of courage because we're not giving up. Yeah, how do you feel like cause?

Speaker 2:

people experience trauma in life, different types of I've had PTSD before I know it. Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yes, yes, and I could totally relate to trauma in my life as well, and sometimes that trauma can and, speaking for myself and people that I've met within life and worked with sometimes that trauma will lead us to self-sabotaging behaviors because it's fear, it's something that we may experience before, like you said, post-traumatic stress disorder. It can keep us stuck and then we could literally just destroy what's really positively going to take place, whether that's a relationship, whether that's someone we're collaborating or partner with, because sometimes it's just, if you're constantly in a state of trauma or chaos, to be in a space of like something healthy and that's good, we self-sabotage. How do we get out of that and how are those two linked? I probably asked the questions in reverse, but yeah, right.

Speaker 2:

Well, what you were? There's different ways. When we self-sabotage, we are seeking an outside source of comfort, which could be food, alcohol, gambling, sex, pornography, whatever you know. Even alcohol all the ears are getting high. There's all these I call escape behaviors. Trying to escape the reality of just everything feels messed up, and when we do experience trauma it the circuits in our brain kind of get switched.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

And we're more stuck in survival mode instead of really living. You're existing, you're not thriving, and so what I tell a lot of people is, when we get traumatized, we need to really focus on self-care and we really need to realize that this is only temporary, it's not permanent. Because there was a time in my life where I was dealing with toxic you know to really narcissistic, toxic people and it was hell. I mean, it was, it was my dark night of the soul and I had to create this mantra of it is only temporary, it is only temporary, and I just had and and when I talk about you know being courage and neutrality, I call that baseline. I had to just stay there in that area and remind myself that this is temporary and I am going to get through this and I had to really focus on my communication skills with these toxic people, because it's all about force and power.

Speaker 2:

I mean, that's what toxic people strive off of is force and power, and they want you to be fearful. They want you to be weak. I mean, it sounds mean, but they kind of get off on it. They get off on hurting people.

Speaker 1:

I agree with that, yes.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and a lot of people don't realize this too is there's like 17 different ways someone could get traumatized a sports injury, a car accident, natural disaster you know, community violence. There's so many different ways, and there is direct trauma and indirect trauma. So, indirect is where you witness a car accident and then you have nightmares of that car accident over and over and over. That's trauma.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

And a lot of people don't realize it. Or you heard a story of your grandmother who died in a tsunami and it was so tragic for you you know, being a little kid to hear that that then you're afraid to go to the beach, you're afraid to be, you know, even just go by the ocean because of what happened to your grandma, grandma. And so I do tell people that there are ways we can heal from trauma and and I've done it before I've I've worked with, example, a Catholic nun that had PTSD and most people would be like what a nun having PTSD, but I, in two sessions, her PTSD was gone and it was. It was amazing because we can rewire our brain.

Speaker 2:

There are things we can do, but the most important thing is, when you're out of that storm and you create distance from that toxic person or those drama events, that's your opportunity to really heal yourself.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

And and be patient with yourself and and do the self care, because all that anger and hatred and fear and yes, there's can be vengefulness and despair or just feeling broken that keeps you stuck and trapped. You got to align with courage and neutrality to accept what happened, yes, and be willing to forgive yourself for that experience. But looking at it is, there's a lesson in everything.

Speaker 1:

Yes, there is.

Speaker 2:

There is, and so when I went back and I looked at my experience, those people were my greatest teachers.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

They were. They taught me the importance of forgiveness, of compassion. I mean they weren't doing that for me, but it it's. No, this is what human beings need, and when I did the research about their lifetime, of how they were abused and how they were raised, that gave me more wisdom and understanding to have compassion for them. To have compassion for them, yes, because I'm not narcissistic, but we do create narcissistic people, you know, out of bullying, child abuse, trauma. Then there's an authoritarian parent, an absent parent, a neglectful parent. We create these people and I always say if you don't like them, then stop creating them.

Speaker 1:

That's right.

Speaker 1:

I love the fact that you said that because I work in the space of human services and social services and public safety and our public servants firefighters, police department they experience trauma as well when they're serving the community or just things that they have to experience by protecting the community daily, and I think people look at them as just made of steel and no emotions, but they are experiencing things as well.

Speaker 1:

And in the space of community violence, I've been in that space as well where I've witnessed and seen community violence and had clients that experienced that as well and parents who go through traumatic experiences. I worked with people who came from wars, were refugees, and so I think trauma and I don't want to like elevate the word, you know, but I see so much in so many different directions in so many different spaces. And I love the fact that you said self-care, because in different cultures, self-care even in career cultures, you know, self-care can look different. If you come from another culture, self-care may look a little different. What do you think some of the main components and what is that is universal in terms of self-care? What is really important for people to really take away who have experienced trauma or secondary trauma, indirect trauma, direct trauma what are some like key universal elements that would be really important, that I think would resonate with people or like across the board, if there's anything like that.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, no, and this will blow people's minds because we don't take this into consideration. Take a shower, brush your teeth, go to bed on time, read a book, take a bath, take a walk, play with your animal, snuggle with an animal. I mean all those little basic self-care needs. Eat a meal, eat a healthy meal, stop eating junk food.

Speaker 2:

Drink tea that relaxes you instead of having alcohol you know, or if you, if you feel you need that alcoholic drink, then have one drink, but then have some tea that relaxes you, like inner, interchange it. But try to find ways that you're taking care of yourself, because when you have, and being a parent, when a parent has experienced trauma, sometimes we take care of everybody else but forget about us.

Speaker 1:

That's right.

Speaker 2:

And we forget to shower, or we're just too tired to shower, or we're wanting to sleep all the time because we're so that's right. Better than a whole lot of nothing and make that one day Okay.

Speaker 1:

Today.

Speaker 2:

I'm going to do this for my, for myself, because I need to, and and I call that self love you know, because we've heard that saying when you're on an airplane, you got to put on your oxygen mask first.

Speaker 1:

That's right.

Speaker 2:

And we need to do the same for us, especially when we just get so overwhelmed.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

We have to remember us.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

Because when we don't take care of ourselves, we become irritable and cranky. I call it our cup of love got dry.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

Yes, it gets dry and we need to do something that's that's good for us, even if it's having a girl's night out or talking to a best friend on the phone. And, yes, find something, watch a comedy, something that's going to help raise your spirit and make you laugh instead of being depressed, you know there's there's all these little, small, small things we can do.

Speaker 2:

You can get a massage, you can get a facial, you can get your nails done. I mean there's lots of. And people are just like, oh, that's you know, selfish, and it's like no, you'd probably tell that to your best friend, right? Oh like, oh my God, you've had such a hard time, Go do this for yourself. You'd encourage your friend to do that. You've had such a hard time, Go do this for yourself. You'd encourage your friend to do that. But then we think you know, oh, that's selfish.

Speaker 2:

Yes, and it's not selfish. You're just as important as value and valuable as everybody else, because people depend on you and care about you.

Speaker 1:

Yes, I love the fact that you gave simple, universal ideas for people in terms of self-care. You know, take a bath, drink some tea, read a book, go for a walk. These are priceless. There's nothing, there's not even a price tag on those. You know, and you know, if you want to get your nails done, get your nails done. But I love that because those are like let's go to bed early, be consistent on time when you want to go to bed, have a schedule Like. I love the fact that you gave simple tips that sometimes people just it's, it's easy to stray away from when life gets overwhelming or things get kind of chaotic, and the fact that you equated it with self-love, because that's what it is and sometimes it does get empty. We got to fill that cup back up.

Speaker 1:

You touched on parenting and I want to touch on a couple other questions before we close out. I know that and I've also worked with families. In the field of families and parenting, I've seen a lot and what seems to happen sometimes is that we can create narcissistic children and they grow into adults and sometimes I think parents do it just replicating generational traumas themselves and they need to relearn how to parent and they need to relearn and put some new things in their toolbox. What do you think parents could do? Because there's no manual that comes with parenting and some families are just trying to break out of the cycle of that.

Speaker 1:

What are some of the things you see, or what are some suggestions you can give to parents, because we want to create healthy, loving, confident you know, children who ultimately turn into adults. It's easier to do it when they're children. To me, once they become adults, it becomes a little harder, but not impossible. Once they become adults, it becomes a little harder, but not impossible. What are some of the things that, especially for those that are challenged by generational issues and they're just trying to relearn or have some tools in their toolbox to support their children?

Speaker 2:

Very good question. So I did a podcast about this where the title is Help my Parents Suck Okay, and I give an example of what it's like to be raised in a 3D consciousness home and what it's like to be raised in 4D.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and so the example I give is imagine a little girl. She's playing in the living room and she's having lots of fun, she's full of energy and she knows one of the rules is you're not supposed to run in the house. But she's running and she's laughing and by accident she knocks over mom's favorite base and glass shatters and she gets really scared and starts crying and stuff and mom comes over.

Speaker 2:

there's two things that parents gonna do yes if it is a 4d consciousness parent, they are going to rise out of anger and disappointment and they're going to get to baseline.

Speaker 2:

They're going to calm themselves down and they're going to get on eye level with that kid and say, hey, you know there's a rule in the house. We're not supposed to be running and that's why we have this rule and I forgive you and I love you and, yes, we're, we're gonna, you know, I need your help to clean this up together and we're gonna go out and we're gonna take some of your allowance or find some chores where we can pay this back yes but you're staying calm, you're being forgiving, you're accepting what happened, you're not blowing up in the kid's face and you're having a conversation.

Speaker 2:

It's not about punishment, or you're bad, because I remember working with a school teacher once and she said if you say one negative thing to a child, you need to say 10 positive things. Yes, okay now. Now, if you're raised in a 3D consciousness home, that parent won't calm down, that parent will stay angry and they will shame you. But here's the thing people don't realize about children that child is stuck in fear and anxiety and that child will spiral down into regret and they'll spiral down into despair. They'll spiral down into blame, like I'm so stupid, I'm, I'm not good enough, I'm, I'm so bad, and then they go all the way into shame and that is the lowest form of human consciousness.

Speaker 2:

And that's where our wounds develop, where I'm not good enough. Yes, I'm, I'm a bad person, I deserve to be punished.

Speaker 2:

All these thoughts that get created and then that creates our negative inner critic yes it does, and so my tip for parents is is when our, our child gets mad, we need to get to baseline. You need to stay calm and neutral and have an open heart. Communication, because when we get rigid and everything is black and white, there is no communication. It's either my way or the highway, and nobody likes to be talked that way, and when we all make a mistake, we forget this. When we all make a mistake or an error in judgment, we don't want to be blamed we don't want to be shamed.

Speaker 2:

We want someone to be kind to us, yes, and compassionate to us, and listen to us and say it's okay, I understand and, yes, this was a big, whatever it was, but I but. What did you learn from this? What did this lesson teach you? We? Don't a lot of times we don't stop and do that, and so when we have to give kids consequences, I say give them options that you can live with.

Speaker 2:

Yes, you know like you're going to be grounded from this for X amount of days or weeks or whatever it is, or I have to take away your PlayStation, but have a conversation. Just don't say well, because I say so and that's it. I'm just taking this away from you.

Speaker 1:

Yes, I love the fact that you gave those options, you know, I love the fact that you know parents to keep themselves at baseline and neutral, also get to the child's eye level. And you said explore what those options are that you can live with as a parent, not making it so black and white. And something that really resonated with me is that kids are much more intelligent than we even know, you know, and so to have those conversations with our children, and so to me it's more collaborative. You're still the parent, but you're coming up with some options that you guys can have some type of partnership with. And how we create wounds in children, you know how those stay there and it creates shame, and so you know, and I think some parents just having that information will be extremely helpful. And also to not making things just so black and white that there's no other options and then the child ends up not feeling heard at all.

Speaker 2:

And then yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:

So I want to go to my next question, because I am meeting a lot of parents who have children with autism and special needs and I wanted to be able to be a service to them, and some I know some of my listeners will benefit from this as well. I and I don't want to speak for some, you know, I haven't had so much that experience but I want to be supportive and help people be empowered. When children and I know that some children are on the spectrum when it comes to autism as well, because it's just so broad and I think we're still learning even so much more now in this space yes, but when you have a child with autism or special needs, I think it brings another level of like parenting. And how could parents and I find that some parents do get overwhelmed with the responsibilities and just a lack of resources, not really knowing how to navigate certain systems to get the support that they need. It's a lot, and so what could parents do?

Speaker 1:

Because their children are here for a purpose, they're gifted and talented as well, but how can when they have that extra set of like? Now I have a child with special needs and this may be. I didn't expect this. What could parents do to support themselves better or navigate and maybe I'm trying to come up with the words as well but what could I do? Or what could other people do when they have children with special needs? What do they really need to do to get baseline, or what does that even look like?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, Well, to get to baseline for parents with special kids with special needs, because my son does have autism and he has an older sister and she doesn't have autism.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

And the biggest thing for me because there's so much I could talk about this is you got to get them tested.

Speaker 1:

That's right.

Speaker 2:

ASAP. You got to get them tested, cause I didn't know this, but I found out in California. If they're not tested before the age I think of like two or three, it comes out of your pocket. Insurance won't pay for it. It's somewhere around three to $5,000 to have your kid tested.

Speaker 1:

Okay, and I think is horrific.

Speaker 2:

Okay, and that's the hard part is when you have a kid that was born just average and then you have a kid that's born with special needs, a lot of family members will be in denial. They haven't met the milestones yet. Oh no, they'll. They'll get there and you can like. For me, I was told by the, by the, even the primary care doctor oh, you're being a overly protective parent no fine he'll be fine.

Speaker 2:

No, he wasn't you want. And when I finally got you know, I had to make it through a few threats because I was like you know, my child was born pretty mature. You know, something's going on. I, I'm gonna get this done yeah and what I finally did. It was like okay, now I have the answer yes and so there's an early intervention program. Through early intervention program, I took a 12-week class where I learned how to do play therapy with my child that was great.

Speaker 2:

There are tablets out there that have apps. That because in the beginning he was nonverbal and that really helped having a device that he could say I'm thirsty, I'm tired, I'm hungry. I also and this might sound strange for some people, but I did watch the vaxxed documentary that Robert De Niro did and when I watched it I related to so many other people, because there is one vaccine that combines three vaccines in one. And they don't have to get it until they're three years old.

Speaker 2:

That's the cutoff and they like to give it when they're one years old. Well, what I didn't realize is because my son was born premature, two months premature, actually he wasn't given that vaccine when he was a year old. He was given it when he was 10 months old.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, when you do the math, he should have been and when it happened it puts too much mercury in their system is what it does. Yeah, so I did a hair analysis test that someone recommended and yes, he had high amounts of mercury. And so I did a total detox on him, and I did it with the Kangen water. I did it with um homeopathic stuff to just very gently, but within a few months he started saying sentences like yeah, it was quite amazing trying to just get the extra heavy metals out of his system. And he's at a good place, you know now. And he's at a good place, you know now.

Speaker 2:

But it's really looking at what can you do to better support these kids, to reduce their anxiety, to be more patient and slow, because when we're in the dark we will take their behaviors personally. When we're in the dark, we take it all personal and we're comparing our. You know what other children are like or what you know the older sister was like, and we got to stop that comparison and look at it as how can I be completely supportive of this child?

Speaker 1:

That's right. Um, that was so helpful for me, carrie. That was so helpful and all of it resonated with me when I'm working with families and working with people. It's like that state of denial that people may be going through in the beginning also getting them the services and the testing that they need. I'm sure each state probably has a different criteria and different law when that is, but being educated on when that is, so it doesn't come out of pocket because raising kids are extremely expensive in any ways that we can reduce the expense. You know, early intervention there's some apps and tablets that could help as well and then whenever a child is having an episode just not to take it personally you know there's a need I think that they want met and trying to figure out what that need is. It was what I'm seeing, but that gives me some guidance and, I think, our listeners some guidance when it comes to what some of the things we could start with, and then even the VACS part being educated about that, because that's how we be empowered and that brings it to.

Speaker 1:

I'm not into politics or legislation, but that comes into legislation, like we need people out there on the front lines advocating for, you know legislation regarding the vaccine. What does that look like? Is it optional? Is it different ages? Do we have to have so many like? What does that look like? And there's people out there doing that work now in different states and different places, and I appreciate that. But I think that's going to be important moving forward. And then we are children's first educators. So the more we know, the more empowered we are for our children, and so I really really, really appreciate that.

Speaker 1:

My last question is you know in this space that we're currently in, there's a lot of distractions, I think, going on, and sometimes it's just hard to slow down because we're getting so much information and it becomes a distraction and we can get totally thrown off. And what we're supposed to, supposed to be doing whether that's as a parent, a loved one, a spouse, you know commitments that we've made we can get thrown off course. How? What suggestions would you give on people like how do we slow down and not be so?

Speaker 2:

distracted sometimes. How can we get focused? Sometimes we have to kind.

Speaker 1:

Of this just popped in my head is like whose monkeys are you carrying?

Speaker 2:

on your back. That's right. Yeah, yeah, who's? And? And sometimes we try to take on other people's problems and we have to learn to not sometimes be such a people pleaser, because some people know how to take advantage of us. That's really nice and really caring, and so that's why I tell people, instead of saying yes, yes, yes, say let me think about it.

Speaker 2:

And you got to consider your time, your money, your peace of mind. Is it going to make you just regret that whole experience or not? And and sometimes you don't have to do it- that's right you really don't have to. And people, yes, will try to manipulate you and try to guilt trip you, but it's creating healthy boundaries. And when we grow up in a toxic home or a toxic environment. There are no boundaries.

Speaker 2:

That's right yeah, we don't grow up with boundaries. What's boundaries? Right yeah. And when you mention boundaries to those people, it makes them mad? It sure does, yeah it does, so it is really learning about boundaries. And I did want to just swim back to the other thing about, you know, autistic kids and any person yes educate yourself about the window of tolerance.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

Educate yourself, because all of us have a window of tolerance and when that window gets shorter and shorter, we're either going to explode and get angry and irritable, or we're going to shut down and we're just going to want to escape from the world.

Speaker 2:

And everyone has this. Everybody escape from the world, and everyone has this everybody. And so when you notice yourself getting more irritable or wanting to escape the world, that's your sign that your window of tolerance is getting shorter and shorter, and you need to step back. You need to reevaluate and assess your situation and remember that you're just as important and valuable as everybody else your parents, your friends, who's ever asking for your help? You're in that equation as well. It's just not all about them. You're included.

Speaker 1:

I love that, keri. I love that because I can resonate with that the window of tolerance, and just to remind ourselves that we're just as important as the people we're serving and we have to step back and reevaluate what that looks like and knowing that healthy boundaries is okay. It is probably going to make some people mad, especially if we come from families which I do just for transparent. I come from a family we didn't have any boundaries and I was a people pleaser and I just I didn't know how to say no. And then one day, as I got help and got a coach and got a therapist, I had to create and establish those boundaries, just to move in the direction, so I can move them you know my gifts and purpose and so that I can be healthier and so and and so. That's something I constantly have to remind myself of, and I have to if I go off track, cause that does happen for me. Still, it's a journey. If I have to re-up with a therapist or a coach, I do do that because I'm investing in myself and that's my self love, and so I I definitely appreciate that and it helps me when I serve the community. It helps me in the current job that I have. It helps me in the overcomers approach. I know it's going to help my listeners as well.

Speaker 1:

Carrie, I just want to thank you for being here with me today. You have been a true gem and just gave me several, and our listeners several nuggets of wisdom and knowledge to go from just to start the pathway of something very healthy and something very good and something very great and, like you said, operating on that higher consciousness level. There was so many other avenues that we could definitely explore it and spend more time on, but if people want to reach out to you, you know they may have a child with autism, they may need some coaching, they need some guidance and direction. You know I love your story about how you got fired and what that looked like.

Speaker 1:

You know, you step your purpose and miracles do happen. So I definitely resonated with that. If some of my listeners want to reach out to you to explore some you know some of the some things that you may have written or just want to reach out for coaching services, what is your web link that they can go to to connect with you on that?

Speaker 2:

So they're going to want to go to master the upper roomscom and there's a bunch of free stuff on there. There's my my services. The podcast is the same exact name and people could also google my name it's k-e-r-i-e. Last name logan. There's so much information out there about me. So, yeah, there's, there's lots of ways, and I do a free consultation, like 15 to 20 minutes, and I and if I feel we're a good fit, I'll tell you. If I feel like we're not a good fit, I'll give you options. You know, because there's always options out there and I tell people, money should never be an issue for anyone. You can always get support in many different ways.

Speaker 1:

I totally agree with you, carrie. It has been a pleasure. I want to thank you and with gratitude I appreciate the conversation that we had today. I will put your contact information in the description of the podcast and I just want to say thank you today. I'm so grateful for the knowledge and some of the expertise that you have shared with us today and your testimony and your story is just amazing and you took that and propelled yourself into something so much greater and bigger. Thank you, carrie.

Speaker 2:

Have a blessed day you too.

Speaker 1:

Thank you all right bye.