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Overcomers Approach
“The Overcomers Approach” podcast showcases stories of resilience, where individuals transcend challenges to achieve personal and professional success. With a focus on spiritual, mental, emotional, physical, and financial growth, the podcast inspires listeners to embrace their potential and thrive in all areas of life. Join us to learn how overcoming adversity can lead to evolution, healing, and lasting success.
Overcomers Approach
Heart Attack at 42: A Mother's Wake-Up Call
What happens when your body forces you to stop and listen? Sarah Wilson found out in the most dramatic way when she suffered a heart attack at just 42 years old – with fatigue as her only symptom. As a devoted mother who constantly put herself last, this life-threatening wake-up call completely transformed her understanding of worthiness and self-care.
Sarah's powerful story begins with her diagnosis of type 1 diabetes at age 15 – a condition she admits she ignored for years while focusing on everyone else's needs. Despite medical warnings against pregnancy, she built the family she desperately wanted, then poured everything into motherhood without addressing her underlying health issues. Her heart attack became the ultimate wake-up call that changed everything.
Throughout our conversation, Sarah unpacks what she calls "sitting in your mess" – the necessary but uncomfortable process of confronting pain and trauma instead of burying it. She shares practical wisdom about creating small, consistent habits that signal to your body that you're worthy of care. From proper breathing techniques to setting boundaries, she outlines how tiny changes compound into transformative results.
What makes this episode particularly vital is Sarah's emphasis on heart disease being the number one killer of women – more prevalent than breast cancer – yet often presenting with subtle symptoms women dismiss as normal fatigue. Her journey from neglecting her health to embracing a holistic approach offers a roadmap for anyone struggling to prioritize their wellbeing.
Join us for this deeply moving conversation about recognizing our worthiness, creating sustainable self-care practices, and finding hope through connecting with others. Sarah's story proves that sometimes our greatest challenges become our most powerful catalysts for positive change. How might your life transform if you started treating yourself with the same care you give to others?
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Hello, this is Nicole Ellis McGregor, the founder of the Overcomers Approach podcast, where I meet with different people from different walks of life, different experiences and different stories, but the overarching theme is that we can overcome almost every barrier that is set before us, whether it's physically, emotional, spiritual, career, personal or professional. We have the power to overcome, and sharing our experiences and sharing our story is one way that we do that. I have Sarah Wilson here today. She had a life-altering moment. She had a heart attack at the age of 42, and that was a wake-up call for her. She was a devoted mother accustomed to placing her own needs last, which is something that we can all identify with. She realized the importance of prioritizing her self-care and her health. This is a transformative journey that taught her the significance of granting herself permission to prioritize her own well-being. That's a message for all of us.
Speaker 1:Through her experiences, she aims to empower other people and other women and others to actually put themselves first, listen to their bodies, and so much more. She has so much more to offer today. Sarah, I want to welcome you to the Overcomers Approach. I'm so inspired by your story and I'm sure others will be empowered by what you have to offer. Sarah, tell me how you got here today. The body is very messy.
Speaker 2:Yes, Well, first, nicole, thank you so much for having me. I love the theme of overcomers approach right, because we can't sit in. Whatever bad things that have come towards us, we have to over. We don't have a choice right, we have to. I mean, I guess we do, but the alternative is just not the outcome I think we all want.
Speaker 2:And so why do I refer to it as my mess? First, I want to be clear using the word mess and I've been called out on this before on social media they say that I come across as maybe I'm trivializing trauma, and I'm absolutely not doing that. You have to understand. Mess just encapsulates so much from you know. Think of it as a spectrum from. Obviously I don't know about you. Sometimes my house is messy. We don't have to go that way, but sometimes that's what it is to actually the mess that we have in front of us, that maybe has become over time and we've just sort of let it accumulate and now we're left with all of these pieces. And how do you start getting through that mess? You have to deal with it one piece at a time, and so it's not to trivialize anybody's trauma, it's just my way of sort of carving that path, through it, so I can find my strength again, and I think that's really important that people understand that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Thank you for that clarification. I so appreciate it and I love the analogy. You know, when you refer to our house, we all at some point things can get a little messy, but out of that can come a definite masterpiece. So thank you, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and it takes time, right. This isn't something, even you know, depending on how messy your house is, it's certainly going to take you know a while to go from room to room to room to room. It's not going to, you know, just appear overnight and it's work right. And we're not striving for perfection, we're striving for that consistency. We're showing up every day, whatever that looks like, and you, just you have to commit to yourself, right. Because when you let yourself down, even if it's something very little, like, for instance, when I tell myself I'm going to go take that 10 minute walk that I need, but then I catch myself going oh, that could actually wait, I really need to take care of this. That's letting ourselves down, and so we have to hold ourselves accountable to be like hey, my body, my mind, my spiritual outlet, it needs this walk.
Speaker 2:That's right so we have to make it a priority.
Speaker 1:I love it. And you know, and we only have one body, so we got to make it last. We got to, and with that is quality and making that commitment and putting in the work. I love the fact that you said that and it takes some discipline and consistency. That is my key word for this 2025. I love it. I love it. Nothing really happens if we're not consistent. Nope, we got to put in the work. We may not even see the results right away, but they're definitely coming in. It's worth the investment.
Speaker 2:Absolutely yeah, even if it's small, 1% gains, that compound interest, it's going to pay off after a while and you're going to see the results. And you just got to. You just got to keep showing up, one foot in front of the other, keep showing up and keep showing up for yourself, because what I've learned, especially since my heart attack, is you cannot pour from an empty cup.
Speaker 2:You know, that age old analogy of the airplane. And who do you put the mask on first, you or your child? Well, I'm going to serve myself better. I'm going to serve my child better than if I put the mask on myself first. I had to learn that the hard way, the really hard way.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, wow. Well, I'm glad that you're still here to even tell the story.
Speaker 2:Thank you, me too.
Speaker 1:Like you know, to be able to come out on the other side and then not into, not only to prioritize what's important in your life, but to model that for others and to share your story and experiences. That's critical, that's, that's major, that's a big, that's a win.
Speaker 2:Definitely Well, and modeling for other women, absolutely. But what I noticed through the transition and the transformation is I was actually modeling the behavior for my own children. They had seen me pour everything that I was and all I wanted to do was be their mom. So it wasn't in a bad way, but they saw me sacrifice everything, including myself, to now and I have two daughters and a son. Now I feel like I'm teaching that they're worthy enough to take those breaks as well, that they're worthy enough to pour into themselves as well, before they give to others, and they'll be so much better for it. But I'm a slow learner. Apparently. I have to learn the hard way.
Speaker 1:Oh no, you don't have to apologize. I like to say I'm a late learner. The key is is that we never stop learning, no matter if it's slower, later. We're still here, we're still in the game. So that's right, and I love the fact that you're modeling that for your children, because that's helping create legacy and we want those healthy habits.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:We want to see those manifest and generations even after. Yeah, that's big. How did you get the wake up call Like how did it happen or what?
Speaker 2:So so first let's let me back up a little bit. At 15 years old, I was diagnosed with type one diabetes and, for those who don't know, type one is an autoimmune disease. Your bad cells start attacking your good cells and basically your pancreas stops producing insulin. So I have this hitchhiker that I call it in my body that sort of just comes along for the ride but doesn't do anything Right. Where, in contrast, where type two equally devastating, but it's more of a metabolic disease You're still producing insulin, but your body's resistance to it and maybe the food that you're eating, it's having to produce more and more and more to keep up with what you're intaking in your body, and so your body's just sort of fighting against the nutrients that it needs or the insulin that it needs, and so there's a little, the metabolic side is altered, and you have to try and fix that.
Speaker 2:So imagine, if you will I know, for me it was a really long time ago, but think being 15 years old and being told that you have this autoimmune disease, and already on top of how hard it is to go through that age. Now I have to process this and I didn't process it.
Speaker 2:And so that that tells that. Lets leads me into why I call it my mess, because I didn't deal with my mess and it started to compound and compound. And what that looked like for me is I had to take back some sort of control. Right? They have told me now that I have to deal with this. What control can I have over this? So I decided to ignore it, thinking maybe it would go away, which led to years of unregulated blood sugar which was just damaging my body.
Speaker 2:Yes, and then in my twenties, I thought maybe I should take this a little more seriously. You know, your frontal lobe starts to fuse and you grow up a little bit and you're like, maybe I need to take this a little bit more seriously. So, going into the doctor and trying to get a plan, they tell me now I don't know if you guys can remember the movie there was a movie called steel magnolias, where she's advised to she shouldn't have children. I was told the same thing. Well, again, whammo, something else was taken away from my control, something else was taken away from me. So in my head, in my narrative, I tried to tell myself well, I didn't want kids anyway, which was completely not the truth but, I, had to have some sort of control.
Speaker 2:So I thought if I said, well, I don't want them anyway, then I wouldn't be hurt, and again not dealing with my mess, not sitting in that pain, why? Because it hurts. It hurts to sit in that pain. So a divorce and another marriage. Later, my husband came with this beautiful four-year-old daughter and it just brought up all those feelings. Right. She came to me, potty, trained, could dress herself, mostly spoken complete sentences, and in my head I'm thinking I want four of these famous last words, but that's what I thought I wanted. So, against doctor's orders, we were able to conceive, and then so we had my daughter, and then, 18 months later, I had a son. So with three children, my world was complete. I was just happy as could be.
Speaker 2:So I just threw myself into being my mom, not realizing I was actually using it as my distraction not to face my own pain and what I had gone through. Not to get any education, not to just do things better. It was well. No, now I have to take care of these children. They depend on me not realizing I'm actually hurting myself in the long run.
Speaker 2:So six days before I turned 43 years old, I was under a tremendous amount of stress. I hadn't been taking care of myself and my oldest. She sees that I'm a little bit tired and let me say this really quick For those of you that don't know heart disease for women is the number one killer. Breast cancer is number two. Heart disease one in two women will get heart disease. Breast cancer is one in three. And we have a lot of information, education, about breast cancer, as we should, but we don't talk a lot about heart disease, and so I want women to understand and the second thing that I want them to understand I had no symptoms, except for the fatigue, and with three children and being overstressed, who's not a little bit extra tired?
Speaker 1:you're definitely gonna be tired. You're gonna be.
Speaker 2:It didn't even dawn on me that this was a red flag about anything. We're always tired. So out of the mouths of babes. She says to me and of course she's thinking diabetic related hey, mom, maybe you should go get checked. You know, just step out. She says to me. I would rather tell my brother and sister you had to step out than to explain to them why the firemen are coming into the house because you're unconscious.
Speaker 2:That's right, that's all I needed, that was the divine intervention I needed. But again, again, as moms, as women, as caretakers, did I call anybody for help? Nope, did I reach out and say, hey, my husband was out of state at the time, working, so it was just like, well, I guess I need to drive myself to the hospital the whole time I'm thinking.
Speaker 2:But I got to make dinner, we have to prepare for the week. You know it's a Sunday, not thinking anything of myself. And then, on top of that, I had convinced myself, getting to the hospital, I don't want to bother these people. They're going to tell me yeah, you're probably exhausted or you're dehydrated or something like that. I don't want to bother anybody because I didn't think enough of my. I didn't think I was worthy to figure out if I was okay or not. So, as luck would have it, the hospital was fairly empty that evening. They took me back pretty quickly.
Speaker 2:He hooks me up to the EKG machine and, with an EMT background, I know what it's supposed to look like. You know, rolling hills or peaks going up and down. Mine was inverted, it was a W going up and down like that. And I looked at it and I thought, well, that's not right, that doesn't look right. And I looked at him and I thought, well, that's not right, that doesn't look right. Well, all the color drains from his face. He disappears, returns with about nine hospital personnel. They start prepping me for double IVs. I'm just, you know, completely whisked away. You know, being prepped for surgery, and in that moment it wasn't an outer body experience. It was sort of sitting in the eye of the tornado where everything's sort of spinning around. I'm watching it all happen but I'm not like I don't accept it. This isn't happening to me.
Speaker 2:And then I'm thinking did I just kiss my kids goodbye for the last time? Did I just you know my husband's on the phone saying I'll be there as soon as I can? Did I just talk to him for the last time? And in that moment I cried out to God, please, this cannot be it. I can do better. I can do better. By the grace of God, I was okay and as I'm in recovery he hadn't arrived yet I'm all by myself. I'm sitting in that mess alone in crumbs. I was in shambles and I knew I had to put myself back together, piece by piece, whatever that looked like, but I had to be the one to do it.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And you know, when you have that accountability, talk with yourself. It's not fun.
Speaker 1:Oh, I can most definitely relate yeah.
Speaker 2:But I had to acknowledge what my part in of it was. Oh, I can most definitely relate. Yeah, is this happening to me? You know, aren't I doing good? Aren't I doing what I'm supposed to be doing to? What am I supposed to be learning from this Right? That shifted my whole entire mindset, which then allowed me, after I ugly cried who, who ugly cries.
Speaker 1:I was ugly, I got an ugly cry. That's not as well. My husband, when I we go to movies and I start even flickering a little bit, he's like here comes ugly cry. That's totally, I do have ugly cry.
Speaker 2:So after I was able to sit in my mess and acknowledge all the way back to 15 years old, not dealing what I didn't deal with the pain of maybe never having children, the pain of not taking care of myself. You know, every time that voice would come up like maybe you should take care of yourself or maybe you should, I would squish it back down and be like no, I'm so happy to have my children. They have. They have to come first and collapse into bed at night exhausted, but I I wasn't resentful or mad about that. That's just sort of what we're designed to do, Right, yeah. But I had to wrestle, and part of that included wrestling with the mom, guilt and realizing that it was okay to take time for myself and carve out that time and make it a priority so I could put myself back together and let me tell you those lessons.
Speaker 2:they were a mess.
Speaker 1:Wow, I really hear, and so some of my I think all my listeners, including myself we may see someone who's really not taking care of their stuff, taking care of their health, and we care and love for our loved ones. And you said just having that form of sense of control, you know, just because the information could be overwhelming, you know, to a person, and so part of that sense of control is maybe not even taking action at that point because, wow, wow.
Speaker 2:And that was very real because it was the only thing that I could gather that could make sense, right. And then, as it's happening, and I described how tired I was, you have to understand I had no other symptom no back pain, no jaw pain, no chest pain, no arm pain, nothing. And had I not driven myself to the hospital, I don't know if I would still be here. So, and all of the women that I've talked to since then, especially with heart disease, they describe very similar things.
Speaker 2:So I want so much for women to understand. We absorb everything. We absorb all of the feels, we absorb all of the stress, the maintenance of the house, maintenance of work, maintenance of our businesses as entrepreneurs what we're trying to do If we are not practicing the either. You know, I didn't even know how to properly breathe and I know that sounds so insane, but that's a practice. You have to learn how to do. I was doing it wrong.
Speaker 1:Yes, I was. I'm one of those people who didn't know how to breathe either. It took practice. It took practice and being centered and being in the present that was. That was tough Cause I was always future focused. That caused a little bit of anxiety, you know, for our bodies either. Yeah, exactly, but again.
Speaker 2:you know, as a business owner, as a podcaster, we're constantly thinking of our next step, and that's part of what I refer to as the mess too. You have to kind of sit in that uncomfortableness. You kind of have to sit in those messy waves crashing over you, an ugly cry, because if you don't process it, it's going to come out in other ways. It's going to come out in other ways. It's going to say hello, I'm still here and you. You have to acknowledge it, or it's going to make you acknowledge it Exactly.
Speaker 1:It most definitely will and, like you said, it's going to come out in some way, and most likely in an unhealthy way, and we definitely want to be present and into and live and be in our fullest potential and be you and be healthy and present and purpose-filled. But, like you said, sometimes we have to sit in the messiness. Let the waves crash, let what is organically going to come out of that, and be okay with that. Yeah, yes.
Speaker 2:And also understand too well two things. One the mess doesn't last forever. You will come out of it, that's right. Hopefully come out of it hopefully better because of it but, also understand.
Speaker 2:You know it didn't, you didn't, this didn't happen overnight and you're not going to get out of it overnight. So you have to be patient with the process. But you know you mentioned discipline and these words that sort of move us forward. But the intentionality of making sure you set those habits or goals every day, even if it's just I can breathe on my own in a productive way for three minutes, three minutes grows to five minutes. Five minutes grows Just these little things. We owe that to ourselves. Right, our body wants to be in homeostasis. It wants to be in the actual way it's supposed to be. So if you just give it a few crumbs, your body's going to work for you so hard because it loves you the most. It's your body, it wants you to be there. But if we're not honoring it or take and again it's threefold it has to be mentally, physically and spiritually. All these things are interconnected.
Speaker 2:So, whatever that looks like for you, you have to be mentally, physically and spiritually All these things are interconnected.
Speaker 1:So, whatever that looks like for you, you have to be honoring that. That's right, and you said that's what our body wants to be, which I love the fact that you said that and mentally, physically, spiritually, those are all really interconnected. It is, and they work a momentum together, and if one is out of, out of order, you know it may not be completely out of order, but it's going to be affected.
Speaker 1:That's right. That's right. And I love the fact that you stated you know heart disease and cancer the two top killers for women, and how you really didn't have any symptoms but but was fatigued and and and you know, just knowing that should bring more awareness to what we need to do, what our bodies, what we're feeling, what we're sensing. Yeah, and we as women, you say that we do take everything in. You know cause we were, we're, we were created to be, nurtures and and kind of holding it all together and taking care of everything and putting ourselves kind of like on the back burner and really, really knowing that we are worthy of putting ourselves first, we are worthy to go to the doctor and be treated well and have like a collaborative agreement with the doctor to be listened to, like we're worthy of these things and somehow through life, you know, through the messiness or whatever that is, the message leaves or we are worthy, or situations we get into trauma, whatever it is we don't even think we're worthy of that.
Speaker 1:We are. You know, we definitely are, and that was such a hard lesson?
Speaker 2:right, because I looked at it as okay. I was told I shouldn't have children. Okay, now I did have children, so I can't do anything to mess that dynamic up because, look, I didn't think I was worthy to have the children, but I had them, so everything going into it was it's all about them. I didn't matter, and that was my narrative, not thinking I could have the best of both worlds, not thinking that I could do this. And actually, you know, I had mentioned I have two daughters and a son giving them the examples so they don't repeat the same thing and think they're not worthy, that's right now they know, now they're not.
Speaker 2:And they say to me all the time you know being so exhausted, and again, not in a bad way, but sometimes I was crabby mom. I'll own that and now they're like oh, mom's not crabby, why? Because I'm going to take that walk. I'm exercising, I'm feeding myself the fuel that it needs, I'm doing the proper breathing, I'm doing the prayer and meditation. And they see that, and so now they're like mom, I'm going to go take.
Speaker 1:That's right, and they're most definitely worthy of that, you know, and you, you know you were gifted with them, you know. And so the gift, the gift, the gift that keeps on giving, role modeling that and to transfer that worthiness unto them. I think that is so, so impactful. What is it? Because all of us I forgot the data on it, but a lot of people are living with a chronic illness in the United States and all over the world. Yes, when we're living with chronic illnesses, that can definitely impact our life Absolutely. We have to sit in the messiness of that or whatever that looks like, and whatever new habit or whatever we need to do to live to our fullest potential and with a quality life, with a quality life. Sometimes, when people live with chronic illnesses, they could put it on the, you know, put, put things on hold or put things on the back burner. What do you think people could do to really shift into them being deserving and then being able to balance living with a chronic illness, whether that's diabetes, it's a great.
Speaker 2:It's a great question, and you know, type one they used to call juvenile diabetes because it was really often diagnosed as a child. Now we're seeing adults being diagnosed with type one, so it's really just an all over spectrum, including type two, and then now they're talking. Type three is Alzheimer's, dementia and then gestational diabetes. So these are things that very, very many people are dealing with, including other autoimmune diseases.
Speaker 2:I think before you can actually conquer the worthiness, you sort of have to give your body and your mind a map as to why. And what that looked like for me was writing down the habits that I knew I needed to implement to do better for my body, and it was very simple. As to gratitude in the morning, whatever that looked like, I'm not very good at journaling. Everybody that I've talked to experiences wonderful things. Gratitude in a journal, that's great, but I would say them out loud. I would say them out loud. I would say them, maybe looking in the mirror, but I had that part written down as one of the things I needed to do, which then led to the next step. You know, am I going to do breathing? How much time am I going to exercise? Did I prep my meals, just these very simple tasks that I wouldn't get distracted from, that I could lay out.
Speaker 2:So, it was a little bit easier for me to you know the more prepared you are, the more apt you are to probably follow your plan.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:But then I noticed, as I continue to show up for myself every day, that worthiness started to be there the next day, and the next day would be like you know, can I move this around? Can I do it? No, I don't want to. My body needs this. I don't need to take that meeting at seven o'clock in the morning. My body needs to do this.
Speaker 2:And so just staying true to what you have told your body you're going to do for it, sort of open that door to. I am worthy for this, it's okay, and it's okay to say no and it's okay to set boundaries but, it's also okay to have that day where you check out Right One of the statistics and I don't remember exactly the numbers, but they talk about a lot of people with autoimmune disease become very depressed.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:The depression is real because people feel helpless. What am I supposed to do? You have to track your habits as to what you're doing, so you can see the data where you might be able to change.
Speaker 1:And then your body starts to see I'm worthy of that. That's right, yeah, and I love that. I love the fact that you said journaling and even if you don't journal it, just say it out loud. And those little incremental, like small steps, like you know, preparing your food, doing prayer, devotional meditation, breathing, these are all you know, habits that you don't have to start out, you know, knowing. It sounds like we could just start where we're at, just start Exactly. I can only do this for five minutes, you know and build from there and our body is going to respond to that. It sounds like the more you did it, the more you became aware.
Speaker 2:Like when self-awareness was huge.
Speaker 1:When to put the pause button on to say, hey, you know I don't think I'm going to. You know, do the nine o'clock meeting that we can move that over you know, restructure our day, or maybe I need to move it at another time, you know, and I love that because I think, um, we, we were honoring ourselves and we're telling ourselves that we're worthy of that, you know, and then, and not thinking of the worst case scenario, of course, of course, of course, right.
Speaker 2:Well, and as a recovering perfectionist, I had to learn that. You know, okay, my, my 30 minute workout session that I had planned. Okay, maybe I only got 20 minutes, but you know what I showed up and that counted. That counted and just sort of allowing myself to have that grace to just be like, okay, and tomorrow we'll try for 21 minutes or 30 or whatever it is. But you can't expect that perfection. You can just ask yourself to be consistent. And that was so powerful for me, it really was.
Speaker 1:Yes, and I like the fact that you said just show up, show up that it just all starts right there. Just show up, you know whether and like you said, and that is like a win, I like celebrating wins Absolutely.
Speaker 2:We're going to celebrate High five yourself in the mirror, girl. You got it Like, whatever you have to do because we are celebratory creatures, and even if it's you know, I brushed my teeth in the morning, whatever it is that you can start that momentum to get that going, then your body sort of recognizes those good, that good energy and they're like, oh, we're gonna get another high five If we do something good. We're coming down to the last few minutes and I got a couple more questions.
Speaker 1:The next question is you know, as you went, you know into the ER and you you got yourself checked out and you found out what had happened and after you were able to put the pieces back together again, how do you approach your health now these days? Is it more integrative? Is it more holistic? Are you more disciplined when it comes to that now?
Speaker 2:Is it more holistic? Are you more disciplined when it comes to that now? Definitely more holistic, very much so. I've gone down. I started doing everything that my doctors told me and I actually ended up a little bit worse and then I had to sort of throw myself into the rabbit holes of education and sort of teach myself, and that was also very empowering. I'm not saying that we don't need doctors, but I think in this country you know I've said this before our acute medicine, you know emergency medicine, is bar none the best, but the maintenance of medicine we're sort of missing a piece there. So when you can bring in functional medicine, holistic medicine, all these different modalities that you can sort of pick and choose and make your own plan from that fits you, that really pushed me over to the next level that I wanted to be at. But I wasn't quite getting there with just listening to the doctors.
Speaker 1:I love that. I was just having a conversation with someone the other day and that's what we talked about is really owning their own health, taking what the doctor gives you as tools, you know, and then we're able to educate themselves. But, like you said, it's really all about educating ourselves and seeing what's out there and see what works for us and individualizing it.
Speaker 2:And I had to go through a few things until I found the right formula that worked for me. So don't quit, don't give up. Continue to search what might work for you and some may work, some may not, but don't give up Right. That's the important part.
Speaker 1:Yes. Last question is, as these women are out here doing, you know, balancing family life, careers, entrepreneurship that you know. And and when a woman starts seeing signs of burnout before she gets to the burned out phase hopefully you don't get to that. What are some of the things? Do you think, oh, someone could do, women or others that can do when they they see you get little signs, you know?
Speaker 2:Somebody's trying to tell you something, pay attention, let me tell you. The first thing that I complain. I tell my clients this, I tell my podcasters. This is so important when you start to feel your fuse is a little bit shorter, your patience is getting a little bit thinner, sit down right then and make a plan. Make a plan because burnout's probably going to come. There's not a lot of us that have been able to avoid the burnout but, make that plan as to what it's going to look like.
Speaker 2:Okay, what can you give up first? What modality can you maybe entertain to get back some peace? What nutrition can you look for that? Maybe you know better sleep? Do you need to take more magnesium? Is it a vitamin D thing? Just sort of make a plan because, you know your body better than anybody.
Speaker 2:You know what it needs. So sit down with your body and say, okay, this is coming, I know it's coming. What steps am I going to take to ride the wave? Ride the messy wave into it, and how am I going to come out with it on the other side? And some people have even given themselves a time limit. Okay, you've got a month to get through this burnout. What does that look like? I try not to add the pressure, but it works for some people.
Speaker 1:Yes, thank you. That is such great advice when you know that you're starting to get those signs. Sit down and come up with a plan, and we may still hit the burnout ride, that wave, but you got a plan, you got something to build from there. One last thing, sarah, before we close, is what gives you hope? What gives you hope in the environment that we're currently in now?
Speaker 2:So right now I'm in this phase where just talking with other women and the inspiration that I have gotten from them and just we are so resilient. We are so incredibly resilient and women, we can be independent. We can do everything on our own. Why would you want to, when you can be helping that woman next to you? Come forward, either pulling from behind or she's pulling up in front of you. That just brings me so much hope and comfort that we have reached this stage where, while we may not need each other, why, wouldn't we want each other?
Speaker 2:Why wouldn't we want that community? And that's kind of the space I'm in right now.
Speaker 1:And I love that, and that's definitely a philosophy that I believe in. We need each other and we don't have to do it alone. We don't have to be on an island by ourselves. Exactly, we can all connect in some way or another to empower one another to be better, to be greater and to function and move in. Love, you know, and empowerment, and so I love that, Sarah?
Speaker 2:what is your website if someone wants to connect with you? For your sure, it's everything's messy wellness. And then the podcast is everything's messy and we just we get messy. It's fun.
Speaker 1:I love it. It's so authentic, it's so real. We all deal with messiness in some former fashion on this journey of life and it's what we do with it. We don't have to sit in it. But what can we do in the mess? But build and evolve and be empowered. Sarah, thank you for this time today. I greatly appreciate it. It's been impactful and empowering.
Speaker 2:And I know Thank you. Thank you, nicole, for having me. This has been truly amazing, such. I just love this space. So thank you so much, thank you.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you.