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Overcomers Approach
“The Overcomers Approach” podcast showcases stories of resilience, where individuals transcend challenges to achieve personal and professional success. With a focus on spiritual, mental, emotional, physical, and financial growth, the podcast inspires listeners to embrace their potential and thrive in all areas of life. Join us to learn how overcoming adversity can lead to evolution, healing, and lasting success.
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Reconnecting with Nature: How Plants Can Become Our Greatest Mentors
What if your limiting beliefs aren't problems to solve but bodyguards trying to protect you? This perspective-shifting conversation with Tigrilla Gardenia, a nature-inspired mentor and certified life coach, reveals how plant wisdom can transform our approach to personal development and relationships.
Tigrilla's remarkable journey began at Damanhur, a spiritual community in Northern Italy, where she encountered a plant creating music through an instrument. This experience awakened her to plant intelligence beyond biological existence, revealing personalities and awareness we typically overlook. A former Microsoft employee with backgrounds in music and technology, she now helps people access ancient wisdom through plant relationships.
The most revolutionary concept she shares involves reframing limiting beliefs as protective mechanisms that served a purpose. Like bodyguards placed during vulnerable moments, these beliefs block access to certain talents when they perceive danger. Rather than fighting these guards, we can befriend them, teaching them when to protect us and when to allow our full capabilities to shine through.
Plants offer profound insights into relationships beyond the limited categories humans recognize. By studying plant interactions like commensalism, parasitism, and symbiosis, we gain new frameworks for understanding human connections. Even parasitic relationships like mistletoe on trees can serve ecological purposes, challenging us to reconsider what makes relationships beneficial or harmful.
For neurodivergent and multi-passionate individuals, plant wisdom offers particularly powerful validation. In nature, variation isn't pathologized but celebrated—a plant with unexpected growth patterns isn't considered broken but marvelous. This natural perspective empowers people to embrace their unique processing styles rather than conforming to rigid societal expectations.
As human beings reconnect with nature's rhythms and plant intelligence, we unlock capacities for intuition, awareness, and collaboration that our increasingly disconnected society has forgotten. The future of human evolution lies not in further separation from nature but in remembering that we are nature—with all the resilience, wisdom, and regenerative power that entails.
Ready to explore your own relationship with plant wisdom? Visit TigrillaGardenia.com to learn more about nature-inspired coaching and personal development.
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Hello everyone. This is Nicole Ellis-McGregor, the founder of the Overcomers Approach podcast, where I meet with different people from different walks of life, different experiences, and that may be coaches, authors, psychologists, therapists I meet everyone across the board but the overarching theme is that we're all about overcoming obstacles, overcoming a mindset that may keep us stuck, getting into the flow, and so I'm so happy that I have Tragula today here with me, and she's a nature-inspired mentor, certified life coach and world ambassador for plant advocacy, helping creative, multi-potentialities and nature-inspired professionals to confidently live authentic, purpose-driven lives and co-creation with the plant kin home. I totally, totally love that she has her PM and MS and nature-inspired certified life coach, and I am just so happy to have you here today, tarilla, just to give us a more briefing on what you do and how did you come into alignment to what you do today?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a great question. Thank you so much for having me here. It's really interesting. So I live in a place called Damanhur it's one of the largest spiritual communities in the world in Northern Italy and I have a very strange background that goes from music, the arts and also technology. I used to work at Microsoft and I used to produce also large events.
Speaker 2:I mean, I've done a lot of things, and when I came to Dom and Her, I expected to work on a project for a short period of time yeah, that was about almost 15 years ago and the thing that one of the things that ended up really transforming my life was meeting a plant through music. So, a very, very brief story I was walking in one of our areas and I heard this amazing music, and this music sounded like nothing I had ever heard before. I have a. My original degree was in music engineering. I've worked on many different kinds of music projects and this was like nothing I had heard. And so when I followed the source, I found that the musician was a plant, using an instrument called the music of the plants and this kind of just. It was like an instantaneous plant reawakening because all of a sudden I was looking at this plant and I was listening to this music and it was as if the plant was talking to me, like I could really understand. You know, they say that music is a type of language, right, and we think about music. This musicality is actually really the origin. We think of language as the origin, but it's really music that's the origin, because even babies know rhythm and such, and so as I was listening to this plant, it opened me up to the fact that the plant had a personality, a way of being, that the plant was more than just alive in the biological sense, but really aware of what was happening. And that sent me down a rabbit hole, like everything I had been doing now kind of got colored by this research and study and relationship building.
Speaker 2:I started to do with plants and so over the years I've worked very closely with many different types of plants. I've studied them as models, I've worked with them as mentors. I've, you know, I've asked them questions as like measure, like would you do this? Would you not do this? When do you do this?
Speaker 2:And, more importantly, I've gotten to a point of co-creation with plants that allows me to really look at things by stepping out of my human conditioning, which I think is something we get so stuck in, and we try to solve it from the same paradigm, which is being human, that we got into it from, but by working closely with plants I could step out of it, kind of like, go towards the side door, enter through my plantness, that stillness, that being, that rootedness, and then look at myself in a completely different way, and that really changed the way that I started to, you know, study, to look at things and then eventually started to work with my clients on which is the fact that we are beings of nature. Therefore, we have an entirely different set of bag, like of tools that we can pull from that are not conditioned by, you know, human rules and human culture and all these different aspects, to then choose consciously which of those human things do I actually want to embody, rather than they being things that are superimposed onto me.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, I love it. I love the fact that it's so interconnected. I love the fact that plants communicate. There's a language there, and I love the fact how you align. You know music is something that connects us all. It's a universal there, and I love the fact how you align. You know music is something that connects us all. It's a universal language, no matter what language you speak or where you come from.
Speaker 1:That's something that we can all identify with, and there's a rhythm to life and there's a rhythm to language. That's definitely something that I can definitely align with and I just what you're talking about about is so amazing, because I feel like people do suffer from mind limiting beliefs, or they live within these boxes, or there's maybe not as many choices and the conscious and the unconscious. Like I love that. I believe there's so much more that we can tap into that we don't, we're not even aware of. Yes, how do you feel learning about plants can open up people's wisdom or help with mind limiting beliefs in their journey or just in their life?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I have this kind of unusual philosophy thanks to these beautiful little plant beings around me that have shown me a completely different way of thinking about things. So when I first started to think about, like many of us, I have a whole series of what I felt were limiting beliefs that I spent most of my life trying to get rid of, and it was the plants that really showed me that in an ecosystem when I look at an ecosystem, whether we're talking about a forest or whether we're talking about a beach, whether I'm talking about the tundra, nothing is ever wasted. Every being that is there creates, and everything that they create, even if it's like their excrement or what we would think of as like getting rid of stuff gets used and consumed by someone else. And it got me to understanding that everything about me whether it's a trait that I normally love about myself or something that I feel like I hate about myself is actually useful if I learn how to use it. And so the limiting belief is really not an actual problem. It's, I think of it as a bodyguard. You have something that made you feel unsafe, or it made you feel like fearful, or something that was and it was probably real. And so what happens? You put this bodyguard in front of your talents and your characteristics and you say to the bodyguard hey, do not let me access those. I'll give you an example.
Speaker 2:I was talking to a woman today who was telling me that when she was born she knew she did not want to be born Like. She knew that this world was not exactly what she wanted. It was not a place that was going to be friendly to who she was. She was. She says I remember this at birth. So at birth she puts this bodyguard that says do not access any of my, like paranormal abilities. Don't do any or do to tap into these parts of myself, because these are dangerous in the day and the time that I am coming into being. So the bodyguard is actually super useful.
Speaker 2:The problem is that the bodyguard is also a little bit dumb and the bodyguard doesn't know what creates a safe environment or not, because you probably put it in there in haste and so you just said block. And the bodyguard says I'm standing there and I'm blocking and you didn't specify. Well, if this is going on in my life, you're allowed to let me in, but if this over here is happening, block me. So really, when you start thinking like an ecosystem which says everything is useful, you can kind of come up to that bodyguard and be like, hey, let's become friends. When this happens, I am unsafe or in danger, so please keep blocking me. But when all of this type of stuff and my environment is safe and conducive and open and all these things, please step out of the way and let me access all these talents that I have, all these different skills and competencies that I have.
Speaker 2:So, it really is about looking at things with a different optic. That says everything is useful. I just have to learn how to useful, even if it's the thing that feels like you're the most critical or judgmental or whatever. Even that has its place.
Speaker 2:So, when I learn when to use it and how to use it, everything changes. And that's when you can, like you know, get that friendship going, with that limiting belief, and say, okay, I know how to use this, now you're able to step out of the way, but please don't leave, because I need you in case something happens.
Speaker 1:Yes, you know, I love that. I love the fact because it's like we all have a bodyguard. We can reposition the bodyguard. It sounds like you know, like you said, it may not have that insight that it needs, but it does serve a purpose. And I like the fact that you said that everything in our lives serves a purpose, as in with the plant, whatever is coming out of that plant, you know. Whatever is going into the environment, whatever is going into the dirt, you know. Whatever's going into the environment, whatever's going into the dirt, there is a divine purpose for that, for happening. And I honestly believe as well that everyone has a divine purpose in their life, no matter what walk or experience or whoever. They show up as they're here for a divine purpose and a reason. And you know, people can get into fear based on, especially if there's like an issue with safety in life, because people are born and definitely, I think, maslow's hierarchy of needs, you know especially, you know it's. You know we want to feel protected, we want to eat, we want to be connected, all those things. If something comes in the way to cause like a barrier or a shift in that we may, you know those beliefs are going to pop up again and then that bodyguard is going to show up and then we're really not going to be able to move as freely as we could because it's still in the way, it's a block, and so I definitely definitely love that. And another, which leads me to this next question.
Speaker 1:I know plants have a lifespan. You know I can. Some plants may live longer, some may live shorter. With that, when you're constantly learning from plants and the ecosystem, some die, some live. Maybe you cut the plants off. Just my own example. I'm not good on landscaping, but we had this big plant outside by our pool and one of our dogs if we leave her out there too long she just literally tore it up and I was like'm just cutting this thing, I'm I'm done with it. You know the plant grew back of course, of course.
Speaker 2:It wasn't the plant's fault, it was the dog's fault right, right, right and um and what it would have.
Speaker 1:Let me know that no matter what you cut or whatever is broken, it has the ability to like, renew itself and back again, which I feel with other people. And so when people have, you know, maybe they didn't have the best relationship, you know, maybe that's a significant relationship that could be with an intimate partner or a parent or a sibling, and those relationships or with the business. You know, maybe you have a business relationship and that didn't go well and those can break and sever trust. But even in that brokenness, just like the plant, we can renew again and we could grow again significant relationships. What could we learn from plants with that? Because some people get broken, or they have a bad experience and they never want to cross that bridge again, or they're with that intimate relationship so they're giving up on family, or they don't want to go into business no more because it failed. What do you think we can learn from plants regarding that?
Speaker 2:Oh, this is a great, great question, because there really is so much. I mean, it's interesting that you brought up the concept of, like cutting down, of death and such and I shape or form, which of course, then also affected my ability to let things die, even metaphorically speaking. Right, because that innate fear changes it. But what a plant teaches you is that life is is much more nuanced, let's say, because when you have a plant, for example, you know a plant can regenerate their body, as you've said, in so many different ways, and a plant also can change their own environment.
Speaker 2:Plants have the ability to call in other types of, whether it's insects and animals and even other types of plants and fungi, to help them modify the environment to create what they need, and fungi to help them modify the environment to create what they need. And if that environment cannot be modified, they don't have a problem with letting it go. And you see this when you have a plant that you're trying to take really good care of and the plant still dies because there's something in that environment that is not conducive to what that plant needs to thrive. And so when we start working, and especially when we start communicating and co-creating with plants. It gives us a different perspective on how to measure what does my health, whether we're talking about mental health, emotional health, whether we're talking about physical health what does that health really look like?
Speaker 2:What does it mean for me to create a healthy environment for what I need, and when is it the right time for me to either cut off a part of myself, something that needs to be composted, which is never again lost, because the memories are still there, all of the lessons are still learned, everything is still there, and again I might've put that bodyguard up, because maybe I was hurt in some ways and there's a healing that needs to happen, and so, therefore, working deeply with a plant gives you the opportunity to look at it not through the eyes again, of our human conditioning, which says bad, good, especially when it comes to relationships. Remember, for the human world, we tend to think of relationships in terms of like, we have love, we have family, we have friend, we have colleague. That's about it. Yes, plants have very, very different relationships that allow us to extend those definitions.
Speaker 2:An example is parasitism. We think of parasitism always as bad. Right, I have a parasite, it's always bad, but that's actually not true. A parasite, for a limited period of time, can actually maintain the health of an environment, such as, for example, mistletoe. Mistletoe is actually a parasite that grows on trees, so mistletoe, though, also ensures that those trees don't get too big so that they don't overpower the location in which they're in.
Speaker 2:So, the mistletoe is actually creating a relationship that's saying I'm taking from you but I'm also and I'm not necessarily replenishing you in any way. So I am very much a parasite but I'm creating a benefit to the overall environment and so it lasts for a certain period of time. If mistletoe takes too much, then the tree will have to chop that particular branch off, because then that can create a longstanding damage to the tree. So it helps us rethink of the fact that some situations that we're in maybe it's not necessarily the most ideal from the way that we think about them today, but if I look at them within more like again an ecosystem view, if I look at them as a collective, could it be that I am just putting a negative definition onto something that I don't understand what the actual benefit is? Okay, I am not saying that you should ever like, let anybody like hurt you or any of that kind of things, but I'm just saying that oftentimes our definitions um, exact um.
Speaker 2:A good example that I use often is if you are somebody that has money to spare, like you have some extra money and you have a neighbor who maybe um doesn't, and they're trying to go to school and then you decide to pay for their education. They're a parasite to you, right. You're giving them something you're not gonna replenish from them, but the greater good to society is so much higher and it doesn't hurt you at all because it's extra money that you didn't really need. So your friends might look and you're like, oh, that guy's mooching off you and you're like, no, we made a conscious agreement because I felt like his education was going to be better for the overall community in which we live.
Speaker 2:So, sometimes we need to step out of our definitions and plants are really great, especially when it comes to relationships, to looking at things through commensalism, through parasitism, through predation, through all these definitions that we in society have put the word bad on, but that in reality, when they're done with conscious awareness and presence, they can actually be really nourishing in a different perspective in a different way of interacting with them.
Speaker 1:That's right. Wow, you know, I just reflect on that. You know, and I think of you know different experiences that myself or listeners have been into. When you, when you're able to give and pour into someone else, people may look at that, you know, like, oh, they might be using you or this benefit. It could be different, things could be done, but the fact that that, that parasite, or how people might look at it, it served a purpose and what it did it was you're able to give and then, even with giving, with that person, that person, if they go along and do what they want to do and get that certification or degree or whatever that is, they give their self more options and possibilities. But it also can affect the next, the people that they help and serve in their life. Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2:Yes, and that's what. That's what the beauty is when you start to I mean, even if just from a physiological perspective, if you spend a long time in nature, immersed in nature, besides the fact that you're even just after 20 minutes, your cortisol levels drop, so your stress drops. You after 20 minutes, your cortisol levels drop, so your stress drops, you start to relax. But they've actually found that you're more generous, you're more altruistic. It's, it's the awe and the wonder perspective of the relationship with the natural world and the reawakening of the fact that I am nature, which means it puts me automatically back into a cycle of life, rather than separated from it, and it provides a sense of safety and security, because I remember that if I'm a being of nature, I have my animalness. That gives me my instincts, my intuition, my understanding of how to move and run and do things, and then my plantness, which is my stillness, my awareness, my ability to take in loads of input and to actually process it in place without having to run away, because a plant can't run away. So that strength to deal with things, yeah, comes from that plantness side of you. And so when we give in to the fact that my nature is so much vaster plus. We're not even going to talk about my divineness and my.
Speaker 2:But when you start to open yourself to this, you realize that you have so many more abilities. Plants have like 15 more senses than we do. They have the same five we do, but they have like 15 others others. So it's like, oh, is it possible that in reality, what I've been thinking about, it intuition maybe that's you know, a different kind of tropism, a different kind of sense that I might not recognize that I have? Or how does this allow me? For example, I've been for a long time, especially with this little plant that's right behind me. How do I work on my subtle body, the layers of my aura, and how do I really connect into my imagination to other aspects of myself? So when we start to do these types of deep relationship building, we realize we have a much greater capacity for seeing, for processing, for understanding and for interacting with the world around us, human as well as human.
Speaker 1:Yes, that is like, oh, this is like an aha moment for me and I just love the fact that you know being out in nature, that's one of the spaces and places that I love to be. When I don't feel well, even when I feel well, I just make it a point to be out there every day. It just really ground me and centers me. It gives me peace. I breathe better. There's just so many positive elements to just being out in nature and that's one of the things.
Speaker 1:I've worked with a lot of families and kids who experienced trauma and that's one of the things that we put on like the goal list is to get outside, Absolutely yes, and I love that. You know, learning things that you're, that's connected to you on the ecosystem was, like you said, your, your instincts. That's definitely something we need. You know. Fight or what are we going to do, you know, and that's just something our ancestors did, you know, cause and it's just bringing us back to the knowing and the memory. That's really already there and I love it. Yeah, and the plants, you know that are still, they have to be still, they have to be in peace. They're just standing there in presence and you know, plants definitely do have an aura and, like you said, we have these limiting beliefs and thought processes, but it's probably way so more expansive the more we learn from plant life.
Speaker 2:Yes, I love that, Yep yep, and that's one of the things I love to do with my clients is to help them really hold that space for them to discover their own way of experiencing the world. Oftentimes, especially when you're talking about people who are multi-passionate, with so many ideas, with so many different thoughts and projects, and especially if they're neurodivergent as well, you have this element that you feel like you're supposed to conform because that's what society has taught us. Right, I need to do this this way, but instead, if you think of yourself even just yourself you're an ecosystem. It's more about. Okay, let me hold this space for you so that you can dump everything that you are into it and then together, we can look at how is it that you process things and how do you deal with things, not just in general, because that doesn't exist.
Speaker 2:Everybody thinks that, oh, I'm this or I'm that. No, it's always specific to the situation that you're in. Yes, what is it that's easier for you? How do you follow a project or how do you follow even a thought? How is it that you process, like you said, traumas? How is it that I define this? When do I run away? When do I stay? Like all these different aspects, each one of us has a unique way of processing it, based on you know, our environment, based on who we are and such, and to have a safe space where you can just explore it all and then put it together in a way that works for your mind, and the output will be whatever society might need in order to interact. But the way that it gets to that out point should be the way that works for your way of being, for your true nature, for your you know, because, again, we are all natural beings, which means all of this is useful.
Speaker 1:That's right. Oh, I love it. And I love the fact that you tapped into and talked about neurodivergence, because I think the more we talk about it, the more aware everyone can be and if we have certain aspects of that, of ourselves showing up in a space where you may think a little differently, process things a little differently, maybe work through a solution a little differently, and how some people may mask or box that in or silence themselves or suffer even probably some mental health issues because they don't know, they're not comfortable with showing up uniquely as themselves and that they all have divine purposes and different wisdoms and different ways they show up in the ecosystem, and I like the fact that you individualize it.
Speaker 1:How are you supposed to show up in the world? What are your gifts and talents? Let's just bring that out right.
Speaker 2:yes, right because we. It's funny. It's really interesting to me that in when we look at a plant, for example, and a plant grows, you know, the next generation of that plant is different. Maybe the flower color had always been white, and all of a sudden there's a pink flower, or the branches had always grown in this direction, and then all of a sudden, there's a pink flower, or the branches had always grown in this direction, and then all of a sudden, now they're growing in this other way.
Speaker 2:We think of that as a marvel, we think of it as ah and wonder and amazing, but when a human being does it, we think of them as strange, as weird, as bad, as something is wrong with them. We need to cure that, and so it doesn't make any sense. It's rules that we've put upon ourselves that don't follow our natural flow, and so you know I always joke that that, you know, we talk about. There's going to be a day where we're no longer going to talk about neurodivergence, because we're going to realize that in reality, we're just all unique, and some people are just better at putting themselves into a box. And once we get rid of these boxes, there's going to be no need for it, because each one of us is going to find a way of like oh, let me talk to you.
Speaker 2:Okay, you communicate in this way. You need me to be a little bit more visual. Okay, that's hard for me, but I'm going to do this, this and this, and then I can give it to you in visual because, like, we're going to be able to be much more comfortable with being able to say what I need and to meet each other and find that way of giving each other our own needs. And I'm just, I get really excited when I find, you know, when I, when I see somebody who's able to, finally, after all this time, like shed that box, like break out and say no, this is the way I operate and this is who I am, and here's how I'm going to interact with you or with the system.
Speaker 1:That's right, and you know what that allows us to be more collaborative and be more in community. I think different. You know environments, whether that's even families, or internal, external, whatever that looks like, are able to come together more and to work more in the spirit of collaboration and get more work done.
Speaker 1:And it doesn't necessarily mean my way is the right way, your way is the right way. This is the way we're showing up and we can fix ourselves to those styles and be more like in rhythm just like music and you know go with the same drumbeat. We may and we may hear it a little differently, but we're in the same sync or in the same rhythm. So I love that. I know we're closing down to the last minutes of our podcast interview conversation.
Speaker 1:Another question that I have plant based and I don't know if you touched on this. Food has come up a lot. We sounds like that's been in the conversation a lot, whether it's in my own family or in community. It sounds like that's been in the conversation a lot, whether it's in my own family or in community. More people are more focused on plant-based foods and they're finding that it has a lot of healing modalities and trying to get away from, you know, all the preservatives and other things and of course, we can't do things perfectly, but I think this could fall in line with some of the things that you've talked about Anything insight you have regarding plant-based diet or food.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I I'm probably not the right person is because and I'll explain why, let me explain why I am. I am somebody who, going back to exactly we were talking about personalization and, as a person who's had body dysmorphia and so therefore has had to work a lot on her relationship with food, what I have found is that the more connected you are, the more you're going to understand what your body, what your body needs, and I think that that's first and foremost, and I agree with like no process, like you know, trying to eliminate processed foods and all those types of things, but at the same time, it really depends on what. What if you're, if you're trying to go plant based? From a political perspective, I am not the right person, because obviously I believe plants are intelligent. And so my relationship with food. I live, like I said, in a spiritual community, right, so we raise a lot of the food. I also live in Italy, where the food is still closer to home, right, kilometer, zero big thing here of farm to table type food.
Speaker 2:So there's a relationship and I have slaughtered animals and I have slaughtered plants and I feel like it's always about asking and permission and relationship and there's such a huge philosophy around that and I feel like that's the most important, like tuning into your body, getting away from all of that crap that you just can't like you don't even know what's in the package right, going back to the source of like simple foods and I'm a I'm a cook, I love, like flavorful foods, I love all kinds of things, but I always start with the good ingredients that I have in as much as possible, formed a relationship. So whether I'm eating you know chicken or whether I'm eating spinach, I want to know that there has been a relationship between whoever grew that and those beings and those beings themselves. Like I want to know that there was respect, because I feel like that's what I'm putting into my body. I put into my body the respect of the food that I'm eating and the relationship again, that I have. And so the more I can get to the farmer, to the, to whomever it is that is raising. So just because it has an organic label or a plant-based label does not mean those plants were treated well.
Speaker 2:I have seen so many times that happen, where then I see, and I have experienced and even measured the difference between eating you know salad that has been raised with love and care and a cow that has been raised with love and care and where the day of the slaughter there was, a discussion happened and, for us, a rituality too, that was happening before we harvested or before we slaughtered.
Speaker 2:And I feel like that is really the conversation we keep missing. We keep talking about, like labels, when, again, all of our bodies are unique. What's most important is always goes back to that relationship my relationship with self, my body and what my body needs, and my relationship with whomever it is that is giving, because plants, you know, they eat, they have to eat, they get from the sun, but they also get nourishment from other beings, and lots of animals eat plants. So there's like a there's a whole relationship thing going there. And I do find out I'll add this one little piece, which is that when you enter into that kind of relationship and you approach food from that way, I will guarantee you, as a person who again loves food, loves it you naturally eat less, because your body gets satiated, not just from the physical thing that you ate, but also from that relationship, and so, therefore, you just naturally end up eating a lot less, which maintains the balance much better.
Speaker 1:You know that is so good. That is a wonderful takeaway. That is something that I'm going to digest and even process and just look at that in a different way. I definitely will be looking at plants and just. You have like a wealth of information and I'm sure I have some listeners out there that may want to reach out to you for mentorship or guidance, and I want to make sure you're able to leave your web link and when we close out, my very last question and I'll at that point, you can give us your web link on where people want to contact you at what gives you hope. I really feel like you've tapped into something extremely amazing that could help the world. No matter where you're from, no matter what country, city you live at house, apartment, block, whatever that is, there's something I feel, like you, that you're way ahead of the curve, but it's.
Speaker 1:I think it's something that's in us that we already know, but you're here to be a guide and so what gives you hope in this space that we're in?
Speaker 2:Yeah, right now, what gives me hope is relationships. To be honest, the fact that you know, we know that we evolve faster together. And where I live, one of the number one tenants that you know we try to share with the world and help people is to create community in whatever way that works for you. Right, it could be a community of friends, it could be people who live together, it could be people who work together, but that you actually open yourself up to community, to allowing somebody else to touch you, to being vulnerable to all those things that create what we call the super individual. And I have to say that with all the excuse me crap that's going on in the world right now at the same time, I am seeing people who are coming together and that gives me a lot of hope.
Speaker 2:It gives me a lot of hope to see that there are, whether it's you know, eco communities that are coming to, that are coming online, or people who are going to you know whatever protest, or people that are working on projects together, or.
Speaker 2:But I feel like there's much more dialogue happening and I feel like we're seeing each other so much more and that gives me hope. It gives me hope for a new generation that isn't going to get stuck in the same paradigms that we were. I see a lot more waking up. I have a, for example, a plant wisdom book club, and it's amazing to see how many new books are coming out on topics that bring plants, even in fiction, into the foreground. And these new relationships are going to spark new ways of looking at things and we're slowly shifting the paradigm. And that is what gives me hope everybody to feel empowered, to be able to create the ecosystem where they flourish at. You know full potential, but in relation to others and every time I see that I get tears in my eyes I get tears in my eyes. I get so excited.
Speaker 1:You know. I love it. I love the fact that you know. A big thing is that you know when people say, I see, that you really want them to see you for real and for them to be in the flow and for them to be empowered and in purpose, and you know tearing down some of these primitive paradigms or traditional, and really you know moving into a new waking and a new space and I love it. Thank you, tigrilla. I am so happy we had this conversation. I've learned so much from you in this short 30 minutes and I know my listeners will enjoy even more if they want to get in touch with you for coaching or mentoring or to review some of the information you have. What is your web link?
Speaker 2:My web link is just by name TigrillaGardeniacom, so it's super easy in that sense and it's just exactly how it sounds. So Tigrillo and Gardenia, and then com.
Speaker 1:Okay, and I will make sure I put that in the web description as well, and I'll practice on pronouncing your name while she does it. Wonderfully, tigrillo, I hope I said that right.
Speaker 2:You said it beautifully.
Speaker 1:Beautifully Awesome. Well, thank you, I so appreciate it. It's been amazing. You have an amazing day. I want to say thank you again. It's just been an honor.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:Thank you. Okay, have a wonderful day.
Speaker 2:You too Bye.