Overcomers Approach

Dance Your Way to Wellness

• Nichol Ellis-McGregor • Season 6 • Episode 7

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What if your body already knew how to heal itself through movement? In this transformative conversation with Jennifer Joy Jimenez, co-founder of the Brave Thinking Institute and director of their Health and Wellbeing Division, we explore the revolutionary power of conscious dance as a healing modality.

Jennifer shares her personal journey from professional dancer to wellness pioneer, revealing how her own struggles with body image and burnout led to the creation of Transcendence Dance. Unlike technical dance forms that demand perfection, this approach welcomes all bodies, abilities, and experience levels into a judgment-free space where healing naturally occurs.

The science behind conscious dance is compelling. Studies show dancing reduces Alzheimer's risk by 76% and improves depression symptoms by 98% - outperforming many other therapeutic approaches. When we move freely to music, our bodies release powerful neurochemicals that boost mood, reduce anxiety, and create a natural high that pharmaceutical interventions often try to replicate.

"I can't be a beacon for world peace if I'm at war with my body," Jennifer explains, highlighting how inner harmony creates the foundation for outer harmony. Through Transcendence Dance's ten stages, participants journey through mind, body, and spirit connection, unlocking creativity and joy while releasing tension and limiting beliefs.

Whether you're a dance enthusiast or someone who's always felt self-conscious about moving, this episode offers practical ways to incorporate healing movement into your daily life. Jennifer even demonstrates a simple one-minute "dance of release" that anyone can use to shake off stress and reset their nervous system.

Ready to unlock your body's natural healing wisdom? Visit BTI.com/dance and use the code "free class" to experience a complimentary virtual Transcendence Dance session with Jennifer.

More on Jennifer at https://www.bravethinkinginstitute.com/health-wellbeing

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Speaker 1:

Hello everyone, this is Nicole Ellis McGregor, the founder of the Overcomers Approach podcast. This podcast was created to really with the overarching theme that anybody can overcome in any area of their life, no matter what they're facing or what they're dealing with, and I meet with different people from different walks of life, different experiences and different approaches and different chapters of their life, but the overarching theme is that we are resilient and there's different modalities that that we could use in our lives for wholeness and well-being. And so I'm happy to have Jennifer Joy Jimenez here, and she is the co-founder of the Brave Thinking Institute expert facility trainer, director of the health and well-being division. She is a trailblazing leader in personal transformation, health and well-being. As the founder of the Health and Wellbeing Division, she has inspired and empowered thousands worldwide to live healthier, more joyful and purpose-filled lives.

Speaker 1:

Jennifer has been predominantly featured in the DC News, now Authority Magazine, nbc, abc and many, many more. She's also graced many stages alongside legendary leaders such as I'm probably not as Maya Angelou, brian Katie, bob Proctor, wayne Dreyer and Deepak Chopra, which I'm familiar with. So many of those names which I am inspired by because they really helped me in my healing journey as well, and, I'm sure my listeners as well, too. Jennifer, I am so happy to have you here today. I'm so happy that we can make this happen and just the theme of wholeness, well-being, healthier, more purpose-filled lives and the lives that you've already touched already. I consider an honor to have you here today.

Speaker 2:

Thank you, it's a pleasure. I can't wait to just dive right in and love what you were sharing earlier, just about your own passion for wellness and particularly for dance, just as a lover of that, as one of our real natural forms of wellness. That often gets put into just dance studios or dance clubs or pressed back into when we were a child or a kid, but it really is one of our most natural healing modalities. So I really appreciate you having me.

Speaker 1:

Thank you, I so appreciate it and that's why, like I said, I consider it an honor. I believe that dance is just so. It's naturally within us. We're energetic beings who vibrate through music, through dance, and it's an international language that we can all speak, and so I definitely love it and we could take it to the boardroom. This classroom, early childhood education I feel like it can be incorporated into so many different spaces and even at home. You know, when I want to feel good, I just take my husband. I'm like hey, we're about to dance. There's no real reason I'm turning on some music right now.

Speaker 2:

So that's so good yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah. Well, tell me what inspired you to be the co-founder of the organization that you're part of, and if you could tell me a little bit more about Trans and Dance. I'm probably not pronouncing it right, but please tell me more. And how did you come up?

Speaker 2:

How did you decide to do this? Yeah, well, you know, oftentimes I think our own mess becomes our message you know our breakdown becomes our breakthrough.

Speaker 2:

So my background is in dance. That was my very first love. So growing up I did all of the traditional forms of movement. I grew up in Oregon on a small farm and we'd drive by the little dance studio in Beaverton, oregon and I'd see all the girls in their pink tights and their jazz shoes and I begged and begged, and begged to go and study. And so I did follow that first dream and I moved internationally and lived in New York and LA and and I went to school as well as studied and became a professional modern dancer. Now with that, and I grew up I don't know about you, you look really young, but I grew up in Jane Fonda.

Speaker 2:

So like who doesn't love a good old Jane Fonda fitness tape? I had the you know, the leg warmers and the tights and I would look at her body and be like, well, I don't look like that. But maybe if I do this video enough, the promises will fix all of our flaws and we somehow can measure up to society's standards for what is healthy, what is beautiful, what is fitness supposed to look like. Well, as a young woman I didn't look like that. I'm very more curvy in general. Now I know different cultures have a different set of standards for size. My husband's from Mexico City. He lived in Mexico.

Speaker 1:

Voluptuousness was way more saturated.

Speaker 2:

Yes, Curves and a booty and hips. Still me, being a Caucasian girl from Oregon, you know is very much in the eighties and nineties like thinness was extreme.

Speaker 1:

I remember, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so I say that just because part of the work with transcendence is body inclusivity, mobility, inclusivity, body diversity. So this modality is designed for all ages, all body types, all abilities. But I didn't get that. Growing up it was a lot of comparison, it was a lot of my inner critic was running crazy and that belief system of I don't measure up, I've got to whip my body into shape. No gain, no gain. Thighs of you know buns of steel, thigh blaster. I come from that generation. Right, and that creates, it can create a lot of burnout. It's what happened for me.

Speaker 2:

So, though I look at one point, you know my thinnest right, very much like a professional dancer in body size and shape, but I was not even 10 percent body fat, which is like bodybuilder, lean, and to get there was constant work, constant starvation and I got really, really burned out and also burned out at the inner, just the negativity that that was, and so for any listener who is really able to look square in the face at their own behavior around either self-neglect which you can go the other way.

Speaker 2:

We get burned out because we're putting everybody else's needs.

Speaker 1:

That's right.

Speaker 2:

Everyone else, the work, the kids, the parents. The job gets put on the front burner and we're nowhere near that's right, because we don't feel good enough, beautiful, fit enough. So we're just driving ourselves to the ground.

Speaker 2:

It's either overs and unders, and that's what I find with the thousands of beautiful souls that I have the privilege of coaching as a transformational wellness coach, life coach. But then I also bring in this beautiful modality, which we'll get to in a minute. But my story really was my birth. Actually, I got pregnant with my daughter. She's now 25. So this ages me a little bit. I just turned 50. Okay, and, by the way, there's a happy ending to this story, which I'll get to, but it was really through having her in my body.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

I realized how shut off from my body I really was, like I was ignoring all my body.

Speaker 2:

I realized how shut off from my body I really was. I was ignoring all my body signals for rest. I wasn't eating, so I was ignoring my hunger signals. I wasn't all of that. Those all started to turn on when I got pregnant with her. Then I moved home to Oregon. I had lived in LA during my professional years and my mother's a minister and a thought leader. I'm very, very grateful. So she was the one who introduced me to life coaching and mindset work and all the Wayne Dyer and Deepak. They would all come to my mom's spiritual center out in Oregon. She's the owner and founder of Brave Thinking Institute. Her name's Mary Morrissey and I opened a wellness and arts ministry in that spiritual center for four years. Wow, during that time that is really where I and my, by the way, I had a 50 hour labor. Let me just say that.

Speaker 1:

Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 2:

That mess ultimately turned into a mission, first and and foremost, to figure out what went wrong, like, okay, clearly there's a miss here. This mind-body connection and the way I was treating my body created restriction and constriction. When we're whipping our body into shape, the body's hearing us, the body's listening us, the body's listening. Birth is all about opening and working with the body, wisdom and relaxation and opening. And we're all birthing our lives, by the way. We're birthing our dreams, we're birthing our projects. So it was there that I was able to heal the birth trauma in some of the conscious dance modalities that I started to learn the books on mind body healing, the books on energy healing. I loved it and I caught that you said we're energetic beings, not just physical beings, and so this whole mind body connection and that's really where the first versions of transcendence were born.

Speaker 2:

I was the recipient of some of the godfathers and godmothers of the conscious dance world, which conscious dance is basically very different than technical dance. In technical dance there's an instructor, there's a movement modality or technique that is taught. There's definitely a right way to do it and there's definitely a wrong way to do it. And there's definitely a wrong way to do it. You're trying to mold your body to fit that. And I still love all forms of dance. By the way, I'm not discounting their space in our cultural development. There's a real. I love african dance. I studied that in high school.

Speaker 2:

All cultural dances, but conscious dance is where you let your soul dance, you which can feel a little scary for some people who are very used to following rules, getting it right, doing it a certain way. And so when you say, but your soul knows how to dance right they go, what do you mean? You know there's good dancers and bad dancers and good singers, and I'm like no, this goes back thousands of years. Human beings have been using music, drumming, community connection, for healing, for transformation, for support. The tribes would bring the warriors home to drumming and chanting and moaning and dancing. It is one of our greatest forms of mental, emotional and spiritual health. And there's all these studies now that have been done, which I'll get to in a moment. But that really was the impetus, was my own healing, and I'll tell you, it's only gotten better.

Speaker 2:

My second birth was two hours. My third birth was 90 minutes. So I figured out the whole mind, body connection thing and it wasn't an intellectual process, it was an embodiment, thank you. And now, now they're 21 and 19. So that was a hot second ago. But I began to teach and I began to bring what I knew.

Speaker 2:

People needed the freedom to move, that everybody's invited to the dance floor, even if you're in a wheelchair or you're using a cane or you have an injury or you've been told all your life that you have two left feet. There are no fancy steps to follow, there's 10 stages to transcend dance. It takes you on a journey through the mind, body and spirit to really inspiring, uplifting, kind of new agey type music but we'll use like African drums and we'll shake out all the tension and we'll use a really inspiring song that one of my favorites is Higher Love by Whitney Houston and Kygo. That just lifts your heart and your soul and you just feel all the worries of the day, lifting away. Free dancing aligned with positive thinking, activates dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin and endorphins.

Speaker 2:

The New England Journal of Medicine did a whole study for 20 years on patients of Alzheimer's and dementia. That decreases Alzheimer's by over 76% and they studied everything from weightlifting to walking to chess to all sorts of board games, and dancing Far outperformed all the other longevity modalities. They did a whole study on people that were taking antidepressants and who were seeking mental health improvements in 98% of the participants improve no, excuse me, the participants improved by their mental health by 98% in that conscious dance study. I mean, there's so much science now that shows this is so important to our health and wellness journey.

Speaker 1:

I love it and I love the fact gave a wealth of information in which I totally, completely, they agree with. I feel like this should be incorporated into curriculums in school and I so I work in the field of public safety and human services, so police officers, first responders and firefighters, and so my goal is those calls that come in that really are behavior or mental health in nature, or Alzheimer's patients call in because they're they have a need that needs to be fulfilled and they're just doing what they think they can do. So we want our officers to show up for for sure public safety. They have a job to do, but and so my, my, my role is to really redirect them to crisis, redirect them to support or just to listen, and I love the fact there was Alzheimer's patient that caught in and he he lived in a group home and they really didn't know what to do with him. And I said, could you just turn on some music right now? And it worked, you know, and so you're definitely I'm in total agreement with you. So, like you said, we do have those, you know, evidence-based research. I'm sure they're incorporating dance modalities into that, but there's just so much that can be incorporated like even more in terms of really servicing our community in different ways, whether that's in schools, and dance is a part of that.

Speaker 1:

Dance saved my life. I was in a drill team as a teenager. It came along in my life when I was my grandparents had died and my mom didn't raise me, so I had to move with my mom and so it was like I was being reintroduced to my mother, losing my grandparents. It was very, very tough in this drill team called the Children of Light, it could just come and we just danced and did drills and we traveled and won awards and it was just. It really saved my life.

Speaker 1:

So when I read your bio, I was like, like this is this is really amazing, because I really think it should be incorporated on. You know, as I work with alzheimer's patients, with dementia, just and just so, from a broad spectrum, we all need this. So I love it and I love it and I love the fact that you're carrying on your mother's legacy and how you talk about the birthing process and and and I I mean totally agree with that Like our body is really responding to what we shouldn't actually do, and if we're tensed up or if we're in crisis or in trauma. We're going to block that. So I just love the fact that I just. This is amazing. I love it. Yes, I love it.

Speaker 2:

Yes, I'm so grateful that you get it. I can tell you don't just want to promote it, but that you have an actual visceral experience of what music and movement can do to really help us come home to our dreams. That's right. So that is my vision. I have a really, really big vision for Transcend Dance to be readily available for first responders and all people. But I do, I do offer classes virtually online.

Speaker 2:

I'd love to offer your listeners a free session anytime they want and, by the way, if you come across anybody and I'm sure there's rules in what you do, but there's a way to share they can go to bticom forward slash dance and then they can type in the free coupon code class, because otherwise there is obviously a fee per class if they want to come, but that gets them a session for free. Awesome. Now this is live twice a month via zoom Um, really easy to participate anywhere they are in the world and even if they can't make the live time. When you register, you just enter your name and email. We send you the replay. We also send you the fully curated playlist, which is just the music that I sometimes hours and hours putting together for a very specific, specific flow can shift your mood Um. It bypasses the intellect, it activates the creative mind.

Speaker 2:

So, I definitely would recommend your audience check that out. Receive that beautiful gift, yeah. And you know, it's one of those things where really, yes, I do recommend coming, because being together in community activates something called collective effervescence. We are community in nature Like we crave. Coming together with each other and moving together, there's something really powerful that gets activated in our wellness when we come together and move.

Speaker 2:

But even if you just have your happy playlist you know on your phone, like Spotify or Apple Music or whatever you use the songs that you know, when you play those songs you just can't help but tap your toes. That's right. Car dance can be used instead of an Advil literally that of the.

Speaker 2:

Now, I'm not a doctor. I'm not here to tell you not to take your, your, your medications or whatever you use. But my encouragement to your point, nicole, is added in. Yeah, you might actually do a few minutes of music and dance and then check in and see how you feel and go oh, maybe I really don't need that Xanax. You know, the happy hormones that get released actually literally activate theRIs. With certain kinds of adjunct therapies like nutrition, walking, biking, weightlifting, counseling and dance alone Just dance, not even with SSRIs or other things, outperformed all of the other modalities to treat wow, depression, head and shoulders above all others, which is just like so great. I'm not saying don't use it. I, you know, use what you've been using, follow your doctor's orders, but you start sprinkling in your favorite songs.

Speaker 2:

You start dancing your way through your house. You dance your way into work and out of work. Last night our flight was delayed. I went to take my son. He graduated from college.

Speaker 2:

Colorado State. Thank you, so fun. Flight's delayed back we've, and so I've got like 17. It felt like we didn't have that many suitcases, but it felt like 17 big suitcases to bring home. And so we called the uber and the guy shows up and he's looking at us and looking at the suitcases and he's like, and it was an xsl, like we, we going to pay for it and everything. He didn't find us, he wouldn't take us. It's like midnight, you know, and we're like, oh my gosh, you know, but I've got my headphones on and I just play my song and I'm like all the people waiting for Ubers are looking at me, like what is this girl? What is she doing? And I'm like what, dancing this? A little bit, not, but just like you know what Life is short, I don't need to get stressed out, we'll find another Uber within 10 minutes. The next guy comes. He throws us all in. He's Mexican, so he's like, just climb in. I'm like that's my Latinos. They're amazing.

Speaker 1:

That's what I'm talking about. They will get it done. They will get it done.

Speaker 2:

You know, we all climb in and we get home, but it's just those moments right. We are the, you know, the captain of our own mental, emotional wellness. If I let myself get all stressed out and mad at that Uber driver who won't take us home, I'm the one that receives that negativity. My cells are responding to my thoughts and my feelings. We're literally vibrational beings, to your point right. We're mostly water. I love the Dr Emoto. Never seen it. Google Dr Emoto water experiment and you'll see that they take these cells.

Speaker 2:

they can literally, under a microscope you can see living cells and they speak love over one Petri dish and word hate over the other. And then literally watch the cells change form and they also do this with like an apple. You speak love over and over. Do that. You can actually do this experiment yourself. It is.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I was right on point. I completely believe it. I am going to Google that and watch it. I just we. I have a plant outside that died Like I thought it was done. I even like cut it up, cut the rest of the roots up, because I was like it's a, it's a wrap. One of my dogs went to town on it because when we leave her outside she feels too long, that she wants to start tearing up our landscaping. But the plant grew back and it's beautiful, and so that's what it was just meant to do. But I do believe you can talk to our plants. We speak love to them, that they will do what they're supposed to do and they're created to do, and so I just I love that because there's power in our words and there's powers in what we release onto the atmosphere, and our bodies are connected to that as well.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, absolutely. Oh. Yeah. I mean I've had clients come in with all sorts of ailments subset stomachs, pain in certain body parts and with one session of transcendence, where it's a combination of things. It's the breath breathing that we're doing. Your body needs to be oxygenated, shift worry, intention and stress into ease, vitality, flexibility and energy through gentle movements. The music activates those happy hormones and then we're using our mind to visualize healing, to work with the earth's energy, to work with universal energy. It's just as easy to think thoughts of gratitude as it is thoughts of resentment. And when we're in that energy of resentment, our body is tight and tense and we're the ones suffering. Now it doesn't mean to bypass worry or fear or anger. It actually gives you a place to chew and digest but then release it. Yes, you're not carrying tension which ultimately becomes physicalized as aches and pains and illness in the body.

Speaker 2:

So, it is such a beautiful healing modality mentally, emotionally and physically, for all of those things and I've had some pretty amazing stories of spontaneous healings happen just through one trend. I mean I recommend doing it more than once. It's like taking a shower. You would never say take a shower one time or only go to the gym once, because life is happening, you know, there's something that takes place and there's issues that rise up, and you can take that to your therapist, but you're sitting. You can take that to your therapist, but you're sitting. All therapy is. I have used it, I am all for it, but it only takes you so far.

Speaker 1:

My friends, oh it does, and I love the fact you made a great point Like you could do it once, but it's kind of like a good massage, you know, like you don't want one massage, you know, or you know, if you want to go on and get a real good full body massage, you know it makes a difference and you might need to do that, like me and my husband do that probably every four months.

Speaker 1:

This is something we do as part of our self-care jointly. We do things separately for self-care, we do things together, and so that's one of the things we do together, and I love the fact that you said that this has been around for thousands and thousands of years to just be reintroduced what's already naturally into us. I love the fact that, like body positivity, I'm also been a curvy girl my whole life and she's not going anywhere. I have been thinner in my life, but it has a set point and it's celebrated in the Latino culture and the African culture, african-american culture, not so celebrated in others, but it's like a balance. And then now there's people that are trying to purchase curviness and then oh, my gosh Right, I'm like I've had this my whole life.

Speaker 2:

Let me lend you some of mine.

Speaker 1:

I love the fact that, really coming into self-love and self-acceptance, and even still in those, you know, modeling arenas and dance, they still are looking for a certain set type, a certain anesthetic, but just for people to really showcase and celebrate who we, who we naturally are, I and I, just I love that. And so I know we're wrapping down to the last few minutes here and I want to get a couple more questions in what do you feel in terms of where do you see your movement going? I know you've done some worldwide stuff but, like in five years, do you have like a certain goal of like where you want to take this? Or, you know, I know we're trying to add, or what does that look like?

Speaker 2:

Yes, my vision is that if you think about like, for example, when you're watching television and you see an ad for wellness, what do? We often see Somebody is doing you know, warrior one. We often see somebody's doing you know, warrior one. They're in some sort of a yoga pose. Right, I really do. I would love for transcendence to be available. I'm working on an app in ways that people of all walks, all different places, have accessibility.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

Shorter, condensed versions of transcendence, of course course, a longer practice for those that want to invest the time, more like a yoga class, but really that it be accessible to all. People would love an alternative to say therapy, counseling, and or like a yoga which is a very. I love yoga, but it's also very, you know, linear and and still in a lot of ways where they want to feel a natural sense of joy, vitality, they want an outlet, they want to play and they want to do it with others, that you can see people from all walks of life. As I drive down the fire station, I could see the guys in the fire station getting down.

Speaker 1:

That's right. I love it the fire station.

Speaker 2:

I could see the guys in the fire station getting down, People in senior centers and I have taught transcendence in all of these locations, but I'm only so many people. So the goal is worldwide exposure, but I also have over 130 trained currently trained transcendence facilitators. So I do train facilitators that are like you. They're wellness experts, they love to move and dance and they would love to bring this to their communities to places where they have access or that they feel called into and they want to join the mission.

Speaker 2:

You know I'm like let's go, please. I need more dancers taking this out into the world, because where having an app is great, it really is the soul that makes it come alive. It's those that feel ignited by the dance, that hold a safe container. I really think that's really one of my areas of greatest expertise is I know what it feels like to be on the outskirts. I know what it feels like to be on the outskirts. I know what it feels like to be judged and be shamed.

Speaker 2:

And I don't want people coming in here knowing that you come as you are. Like you've been working on 30 years. You come. You are like an Olympic athlete come.

Speaker 1:

You know, bring all of it.

Speaker 2:

Bring it far, bring it wide. The music doesn't judge, the dance doesn't judge. It unlocks and unleashes our most free, happiest. Oh, I get to choose my experience today. It doesn't matter what's going on around me. I can be that beacon of love and light and happiness, and that energy is contagious. It lifts the vibration of the planet. We can't be in world peace Like. My whole mission really is world peace. Now, that's a lofty goal. But here's what I know for sure. I can't be a beacon for world peace if I'm at war with my body. That's right, the first place to heal for me. And I'm no longer at war with my body, by the way, I love her, all the sizes and colors and shapes that she's been over all of these many years, and I use this beautiful tool for my mental, my emotional. I've never been more physically healthy and happy and aligned, even in menopause and all that stuff.

Speaker 2:

It aligns all the hormones in a beautiful way, and so it really is that the world is dancing, that we have thousands of facilitators all over the world holding this safe, loving space, and that those that really want and need this have access to it. In a simple way.

Speaker 1:

I love that. And then my last one is like 60 seconds of maybe a modality that you could show me that you think that you would suggest to somebody that would work Like, let's say, if you could commit one minute a day, even if your listeners aren't able to see me.

Speaker 2:

I'm going to stand and there's 10 stages of transcendence One of my favorites that anybody can do. You can also do this sitting, by the way is the dance of release. Now, my favorite thing to do is to put on some hip hop or some African drums, but you don't need any music at all.

Speaker 2:

Take your right hand, lift it up and just start shaking it. Shake, shake, shake, shake, shake, shake, shake. I like this shake. Yeah, you can just shake it like you're shaking water off your hand. Now take your left hand, shake Now, breathe. Now shake both hands up and then allow the top of your body to shake. Take your head down and kind of shake your head down. You're shaking water down your hair. Shake your shoulders, shake your spine like you're an old dusty rug or you're a dog shaking water off of its back. Shake your hips. Shake down your legs, one leg at a time. Shake, shake, shake, shake your booty. Shake, shake, shake. Shake the hips. Now. Just take a few deep breaths. Now. Notice, now I'm all tingly. I don't know about you.

Speaker 1:

So am I. That was wonderful.

Speaker 2:

So we hold tension so many places in our body. If you just shake it loose, especially if you're feeling triggered, going to fight or flight, when most people were triggered, it's either fight, flight, freeze, flee. So if you just shake your whole body out and sometimes, quite honestly, if I'm in like a really where it's not super appropriate to shake, like a rag doll, right, I'll go into the bathroom. That's right. Now my best thing which I didn't just do is I'll make sound and go ha, like like, shout it out, scream it out, ha you know like, or just a sigh, like out screaming out hi you know like, or just a sigh like, especially right here between the head think that bobble head.

Speaker 2:

You've ever seen those bobble heads. Or if you drive down and you see those car dealers with the flat flight flailing like that, I know it feels silly, but your body will thank you.

Speaker 1:

I love it. I love it. I just but your body will thank you. I love it, I love it. I just felt really refreshed off of that, just that moment right there. That was beautiful. So, jennifer, if any of my listeners want to reach out to you to find more about which the services you have to offer more information about you, or if they want to purchase them or connect to one of your programs, what is the website they can go to?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so for transcendence, it's B T I that stands for brave thinking Institute. So just be as in boy B T Icom forward slash dance and you can contact me there. Or you can register for a free class using the free class coupon code free class.

Speaker 1:

Free class. Jennifer, this has been amazing today. I'll make sure that it's in the podcast description when I edit the video and get it completed, and for the audio as well. I so appreciate you. Maybe sometime in the future we can reconnect and then we can have some music set up and just go from there. I just love it.

Speaker 2:

That would be great. Yes, I would love it.

Speaker 1:

I just want to say thank you. It has truly been a blessing and an honor, and I love I've done three podcasts in a year, my last one, and this was a great way to end my recordings for today so I can go out in nature and do the rest of my sustainability and self-care. So I really, really appreciate you.

Speaker 2:

Thank you, jennifer, it has been a joy. Likewise, thank you, nicole, for having me. Yes,