Overcomers Approach
“The Overcomers Approach” podcast showcases stories of resilience, where individuals transcend challenges to achieve personal and professional success. With a focus on spiritual, mental, emotional, physical, and financial growth, the podcast inspires listeners to embrace their potential and thrive in all areas of life. Join us to learn how overcoming adversity can lead to evolution, healing, and lasting success.
Overcomers Approach
Rewriting Identity After Divorce, Cancer, And Change
The ground can fall out from under you—divorce, cancer, a job ending—and still become the place you learn who you are. I converse meditation teacher and Breathe app co-founder Lynn Goldberg to unpack how identity gets rebuilt from the inside out and why presence is more reliable than control when life swerves. Lynn’s story moves from profound loss to radical reinvention, and along the way she shares the practical tools that turned fear into agency.
We dive into a clear, science-backed view of stress as the gap between expectation and outcome, and how attention training closes that gap. Lynn explains why meditation isn’t about emptying your mind; it’s about noticing thoughts, returning to a chosen focus, and building the muscle that lets you respond instead of react. We explore fight, flight, freeze, and fawn, and how familiar patterns can feel safe while keeping us stuck. Then we connect the dots with neuroscience: your thoughts trigger chemistry. Catastrophizing bathes the body in cortisol; a grounded check-in releases oxytocin and serotonin that support clarity, connection, and better decisions.
Midlife transitions get special attention—empty nests, changing relationships, health scares—and we talk about swapping judgment for curiosity to find what truly lights you up now. Lynn shares gentle but firm guidance on trauma and triggers, offering presence practices that anchor you in what is true right now without bypassing the need for professional support when things feel overwhelming. Her story of staying present during cancer treatment makes the tools tangible and human.
If you’re navigating change and craving steady ground, this conversation offers real-world practices you can use today: simple anchoring, accurate thinking, and a kinder inner voice. Subscribe for more conversations on resilience and share this episode with someone who needs a life jacket in the storm. More on Lynne and her services at the following website https://lynnegoldbergmeditation.com/
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Welcome everyone. This is Nicole, the founder of the Overcomers Approach Podcast. This podcast was created to really support people who wanted to overcome no matter what that was in their life, whether it's financially, physically, emotionally, spiritually, whatever that means for you, the overarching theme is that we all have the ability to overcome no matter what we face in life. And people do that in multiple ways. I'm so happy to have Lynn Goldberg here today. She's a meditation teacher, best-selling author, co-founder of the Breathe Meditation and Sleep app with over 20 million downloads. That's amazing. After face and divorce, cancer, and the radical act of starting over, Lynn found Grace in the grit, creating accessible tools that help others heal emotionally, spiritually, and psychologically. Lynn, welcome to the Overcomer's Approach today. I just thank you for taking up this time and space for me. And it is obvious in your bio that you've overcome and that you've started over, and that we have second, third, and fourth and fifth chances. But I love the fact that we have the ability to connect with people like yourself today to help people find that roadmap on their journey or whether whatever that may be. And I know I kind of wanted the focus to be today, kind of like midlife transition and tapping in a little bit about what neuroscience is and how it really over impacts our overall well-being. But I want to say just how did you uh I'll start with overcoming divorce, cancer, and starting over again, what led you to be where you're at today? What what and that could be a complex answer, but what did that look like for you? Because some people don't know how to get move forward from out of those spaces.
SPEAKER_00:How did you and I and I want to talk to those people because I know what it feels like to feel overwhelmed, yes, and to really feel like you're just that life becomes unbearable sometimes. And and you know, there's this wonderful recognition that I had when I realized that I wasn't in it by myself. The truth is all of us go through this, and so I love podcasts like what you're doing right now because there's something really helpful about knowing that you're not alone and that other people have overcome and other people have managed to get through what seems impossible at the time. In my case, I felt like everything had fallen apart. I had, you know, when I was um, I'd say close to 30 years almost now ago, I lost twin girls, and then my mom passed away and she was 50 something, and then I ended up losing my job, and then I got divorced. So that was my first rodeo. And what I realized at the time was that like that feeling of, oh God, who am I right now? Who am who am I meant to be? Because every single identity I had was just like gone, right? I wasn't a mother, I wasn't a daughter, I wasn't a business person anymore, and I certainly wasn't married. And so it was like, well, what you know, what am I supposed to do? And what was really great for me was that I recognized that the qualities that made me me, who I was, had nothing to do with any of the positions or possessions that I had. It had everything to do with with that reservoir, if you will, of um all the qualities that made me me. And so digging into that reservoir, really discovering the things that gave me joy, the things that made me happy, the things that made me feel like getting out of bed in the morning were all there, whether I was doing that job or not, you know. And then 20 years go by, I remarried, I adopted uh two boys, I got pregnant at the age of 40 by complete fluke.
SPEAKER_02:Wow, amazing.
SPEAKER_00:So lucky me. Yes, and um, and then I was again uh, you know, a little bit I I guess the word I would say is um there's that process of rediscovery where you sort of say, hey, well, this is what I have been doing, and then when it falls apart, and in this case it was my second marriage, um, and two cancer diagnoses, and a sense of whoa, again, this is this is life, I guess. And I realized that that moment that when you've had when you've picked yourself up and you have that resilience to start over, you can do anything in the world. Each one of us has that power, it's inside of each one of us, and it's truly comes from a feeling of wow, well, so I get to discover all the different parts of myself right now where I have been doesn't have to be who I'm gonna continue to be. I get to really choose very consciously what brings me joy, and I think we get um onto tread treadmills, right? We start doing something, we start going down a road, and then something happens, and then we get the awakening to be able to say, Oh wow, this lights me up. Yes, and that's a gift, even even if it doesn't feel like one at the time.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:So yeah, so that's that's my story.
SPEAKER_02:That is an impactful, powerful story. I mean, it could have gone so many different ways, but the fact that you found the the grace for yourself, the ability to persevere, I love the fact that you said uh some life could could change in an instant, and the identities we have tied to superficial things, or that's a title, a house, a car, your stocks, you know, um, whatever that title is. So many people get so strongly tied to that that when somebody asks, Who are you? Sometimes people don't even know. And so, like you said, you have to deep dig deep down in the reservoir to find out who are you and then why life is still happening, you know, what the cancer diagnosis, the the career shift, all that, to have the ability to overcome in that situation, um, is something that I think a lot of my listeners could definitely relate to because life is happening for many people, no matter where you come from, what part of the earth you're in, it's still gonna happen. And I I believe we've all been called for something very great and truly gifted. If we dig deep inside and find out who that is as we evolve, um, that could definitely be a reality. And I think some people get stuck somewhere sometimes. Sometimes you take a hard hit in life, it's hard to recover. Some people don't recover. And so I'm glad that there's people like you that are able to share and serve and uh with your own lived experience, that's very powerful. Um, I just want to say thank you for sharing that. Uh, it's definitely some something that I can relate to and you know, similar but in different ways. Um, just how finding your identity can be difficult when a life changes or when something happens.
SPEAKER_00:Um, I want to talk about just to that point though, and and you said recognizing yourself. And I think that that's the that's the beauty of our universal experience, right? We all, every single one of us goes through something at one point or another. It's yes, it's almost you cannot get through this life without you know human suffering. That's what it's all about. Things happen and then we have we get to adjust and adapt, and that's that's our superpower.
SPEAKER_02:Sorry, I didn't know this was really organic. I love that. Like you said, that is our superpower. And I love the fact that you had mentioned when we first started talking that we're not alone in this experience. We don't, and we don't have to be, you know. And so I love the fact that you said that because some people think that they are, and it's just getting outside of that box or that bubble or whatever that is, to know that there's people on the other side, or there's now with technology, so many people could support you. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:You know, for me, one of the things that was helpful was meditation, yes. Um, just being super conscious of what it was that was causing me. So the definition of stress is when expectation doesn't match your outcome, right? And of course, that's what we're talking about. Where you know, you plan to have happily ever after, or you plan to have that you expected, and then whoa, something happens, and that's not at all the expect your expectation doesn't match the outcome. Um recognizing how to manage that, yeah, and you know, there's there's really teachable skills that are super super helpful when you are dealing with um changed outcomes.
SPEAKER_02:That's right. I love the fact that you said meditation helped you.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And I want to go a little deeper in that. I think um, for you know, people may define meditation in different ways, and there I think there's different ways to meditate.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_02:But but I think, and you can kind of clarify for me what that is, it's just for me, it's being really centered and grounded and and pushing the pause button. Yeah, yeah, and trying my best not to be distracted. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So I think that's the very interesting part about meditation. I think it starts off as you know, a training tool to help you basically what you're training is your attention, right? You're training yourself not to be distracted. So you keep getting, you know, you have you have a thought, as we all do, and it carries you down this fabulous place. Sometimes it's like, oh my god, it's all these wonderful, wonderful fantasies that you've got going on. When I win the lottery, when I travel here, all those wonderful things, and they can just take us off on a journey.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:Or sometimes it's just like my to-do list, you know, what am I gonna make for dinner? How am I gonna so all of that are thoughts, and we all have them. We have about 40 to 60,000 of them a day. Yes, and every time we have one and we catch ourselves and come back to the object of our attention, we build that attention muscle. Just doing that is so powerful because what that means is that when we notice in our day-to-day lives, oh, there's my mind going off on that tangent again. I'm never gonna be successful, I'm always gonna be stuck in this, whatever it is. I'm gonna be in this bad marriage or in this horrible uh, I'm gonna, you know, whatever future tripping meant stories you're telling yourself, when you can catch yourself in the moment without judgment, yeah, on purpose, yeah, bring yourself back, that's what meditation helps us do. So it's a really powerful, powerful, powerful tool for awareness.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I love the fact that you said it is a muscle and it is a tool. So, and with with muscles, whether whatever that is, you know, working on your body physically, whatever that is, in order for it to strengthen, it takes the repetition and it takes practice. So, and sometimes I know speaking for myself, when I first started, it was very, very hard. And then I would be like, I tried it, I'm too distracted. And it took a while for me to jump on board. Now, I could have done much better with that if I had a mentor, someone to help me, you know, guide me through that, or a life coach or uh, you know, someone to support me in that space, but I definitely see how it can definitely impact whatever direction you want to go in life. Yes, yes, for sure. Yeah, I have a question when when women are hitting midlife, and this is kind of like a shift, but I still feel like it's in alignment. Um, how does understanding yourself evolve from from coming, you know, from that younger person? You find yourself post-40, and you know, that can mean a divorce, that can mean a cancer diagnosis, that can mean your empty nester. So then identity begins to change, and maybe your purpose does. Um how can, and you spoke of meditation helping with that, but those are strong shifts in people's lives. Um, how does that help women in midlife? And how can meditation support that? Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So thank you for asking that question. Um, I'm writing a book about that actually. And what I what I'm most excited about is I think that all of us go through these normal transitions, right? We each of us have life shakeups at different times of our lives.
SPEAKER_01:That's right.
SPEAKER_00:And midlife seems to be where all the things that you've been doing up until then typically have been done uh based on your societal norms, based on your parents. You know, a lot of us have that voice in our head that's either our mother or our father telling us what we should be doing. And uh and we followed the rules. We get, you know, we did we did everything they told us to do. We went and we got the job that they told us was gonna make us happily ever after, or we married a guy that told, you know, and we did all the right things. And then life happens. And we're like, hey, wait a second, I was playing by those rules. What happened here? And I think that part of our um awareness, when we start to recognize that, hey, just because I had all the right conversations and did all the right things, it doesn't mean that I have control over how life is gonna come out. And I think what meditation helps with is recognizing that, hey buddy, there is no control, you know, you that's an illusion.
SPEAKER_01:That's right.
SPEAKER_00:And we do that to make ourselves feel safe, but it's it's really, really not possible for us to protect ourselves from all of the things that could possibly go, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And and so when you have that sense of I have to control everything, that's very stressful. Very much that's a really, really hard place to be. But when you understand that what you have the ability to to have agency over is how you respond in that moment, then that's that's your superpower. That's where you get to have a sense of, oh wow, this happened, and now what's what's my next course of action? And I'm not gonna react in that fear-based way because I think what a lot of us do, and I think this is this is you know, human nature, is things don't work out, and then we're like, oh my god, what's gonna happen? There's a panic that comes with that, because of course we're hardwired for safety. We want to make sure that we're gonna be okay. And we've decided that safety comes with familiarity. But in fact, all that is is sometimes being in the most familiar environment can be the most toxic and the most damaging and the most very much so.
SPEAKER_02:Uh you that's the the truth, you know, because sometimes familiarity breeds contentment and it also could be a space that's not the most healthiest space or environment or relationship or situation for you, but you go back to it because somewhere in our mind we mind-tricked ourselves or whatever that is, we're convinced that it's the safest place to be.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_02:It may not actually may not be that.
SPEAKER_00:Right, most definitely. So when we catch ourselves trying to keep ourselves safe, yes, that that's our fight-flight response, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yes.
SPEAKER_00:So when we're in that response, we're either uh in protection mode, we're either we're gonna fight our way out of there, or we're gonna freeze, we're not gonna do anything, which is why a lot of us get stuck in bad marriages, or we're going to um, you know, fawn a lot of people pleasing out there. That comes from that, you know, I'm gonna keep myself safe. I know this, I know this pattern, I have pattern recognition. That's what happened in my home, and that's what happened with my parents, or that's what happened with my so you've you see it over and over again, and then you get to the place where you're like, whoa, I know how to keep myself safe. That's right, and I know that if I take a breath, I'm gonna come from a place of calm and centeredness, and I don't have to be in reaction mode. I can I can respond the way I need to respond. And I think that's our safe. I call meditation my life jacket in a storm for that reason.
SPEAKER_02:Wow, wow, I love that um meditation in the storm, or just you know, helping you be present. I love the fact that you acknowledge that, like there's this tension between what you're coming from and what you're going to, and what you're going to might actually be quite way more safer than you can even imagine or comprehend. It's just being able to lean into it and trust, trust that that's how the outcome is going to be. Um, what would you recommend if someone, you know, they're in that tension piece, and whether that's midlife or whatever transition, you know, there's kids that go off to college, that's a transition. Uh, there's midlife for women where that's a transition, and men have transitions too, they have cycles as well. Um, but when that tension occurs and you know that you want to grow or you want to you want to move beyond where you're at because life is short. Um, what do you think? Um, some people will continue to be held back until they really lean in and trust the process and put the life jacket on. Sometimes people's environments, it's when they leave those environments that they're familiar with, it can be isolating and lonely. What do you recommend for those people? Like they might have had a peer group that it worked for the familiar or that relationship may have worked, or that career, and they're realizing it's not working, and I need to move move into this new transition.
SPEAKER_00:Um, I think one of the healthiest things that people can do is approach any change with a sense of non-judgment. Yes, you know, I think when we judge something, we prejudge something based on our past, we're looking at something that is not actually accurate with the information that we have in this current situation. So I think judgment's a big thing. Right. The second thing is a sense of curiosity.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:What we're really looking to see is um, whoa, isn't this interesting? Look what just look what just was presented to me.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:And that attitude of open-mindedness because you never know. It's really crappy. But sometimes it's it's a total lucky wow. And I have to say that even the things that I thought might have been crappy, I have the ability to see where where it leads me. And that sense of curiosity is is awesome because how boring, how completely boring to get through life, never getting to change or see or do. I consider myself one of the luckiest people in the world. I've been married twice, and I've gotten to have completely different experiences, and I've gotten to learn incredibly different lessons, and I've gotten to have um just fascinatingly different experiences. How lucky am I? How lucky am I? And the whole focus of my attention could be on oh, what a failure.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_00:But I don't feel that at all. I actually feel like the luckiest thing that's happened to me is when I get to explore and change and rediscover, right?
SPEAKER_02:Right. That's amazing. And I love the way that you look at that. Um, I think when some when some things don't work out, or there's a divorce or there's a relationship breakup, people look at it as I fell, that situation filled, versus looking at it from a strength-based approach. Look at what I learned, look at the lessons that I learned, look how much wisdom I have. There were some positive things within that relationship or marriage that I could take from and carry on to the next part of my life, whatever that may look like. And I love the fact that you said that because sometimes I see so many people stuck 10, 15 years ago in a relationship or a marriage that that ended a long time ago. And I'm and I am uh and and so I have friends, I, you know, I've had things that don't work out, but I'm I'm definitely not bitter about it. Now maybe fresh out of it, it was painful. But you know, now looking back just as yourself, it's like, man, you know, the great things that I learned, the most powerful lessons that I had, that that person is not my person in that way anymore. But maybe they're more like an associate, more like my brother, you know, like, hey, maybe we connect on something briefly with boundaries, you know. But being able to take a look at it and be like, that those things were wonderful within that. That was the transition for whatever reason, but I can't stay there, I can't live there in what didn't work out for whatever reason. And so I love your perspective on that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I mean, rivers don't necessarily flow always in the same direction. Sometimes there's a nice little rock in the river that sets the river off this way, and that doesn't mean that the river is a bad river, right? That means that the river had to flow this way, and that just is a whole new direction. And maybe over here there was like arid desert and all kinds of you know, familiar but not different stuff, and over here there's this incredible waterfall with a beautiful, beautiful. So you you get to explore and what a gift that is.
SPEAKER_02:It really is, it truly, truly is. I know we're coming down like on the last seven minutes, and I wanted to touch on a couple of things that really interests me. Um, and that's neuroscience, and it could teach us about the connection between our thought patterns, our emotion, and our physical health. Yeah, but um in layman's terms, define what because you know, here I hear the word around a lot, and I know it's has the ability to impact our brain and our mind and all that, but how powerful is that? Or what could you what what is your take on it? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Well, for me, it's everything, right? Your mind-body connection, the this illusion that somehow our mind operates separate from our body is is so um outdated, right? So when we recognize that our mind is eavesdropping and our bodies are eavesdropping, and there's this interreaction between both all the time, and ourselves are consistently being shaped by everything that's being that's that we're telling ourselves. And it could it could be coming from you know the thought that we're having that this is dangerous and that this is not safe, or that I'm gonna die, or whatever thought we're telling ourselves.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:Um that sends a cascade of chemicals to our body.
SPEAKER_01:That's right.
SPEAKER_00:So every time we do that, every time we have a thought, and then we start releasing cortisol, we start releasing, you know, uh all of our stress hormones, we're neurologic are we are physiologically changing our bodies. Yes, yes, um, and vice versa. You know, when we're feeling safe and and really calm and feeling loving, then we're releasing oxytocin and we're releasing serotonin. So it's uh really we're bathing our bodies in what our thoughts are telling our physical bodies.
SPEAKER_02:That is powerful. That is so powerful, and I think for you, the way you described it was just so wonderful and something that everybody can truly understand. And I don't, like you said, before or maybe prior, myself or other people may have disconnected the mind from our bodies totally. Like, I don't know, there was a big disconnect there, but now really understanding that it really falls into alignment to our to the whole person and how important it is to really, you know, if we can't master our thoughts, but maybe just have some more control.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, no, and so that idea of mastering our thoughts, that's not the goal. The goal isn't to think positive thoughts and slap a big, like, you know, right, um, you know, whatever, whatever affirmation we're gonna say today. It's to actually feel that feel it, and the feeling comes from is that thought true? Wow, is what I'm telling myself true? Wow, and it's interesting because so much of what we are, and and this is the whole book, so I'm not gonna sum it up in a minute, but but but that idea that so much of what we're telling ourselves isn't actually true, and deciphering what is actually uh reality is what we get to practice when we meditate. And that's that's a skill that changes your life.
SPEAKER_02:I love it, which leads me into uh one last thing. Uh uh people experience traumatic, traumatic events, whether that's domestic violence, whether that's a war, that's whether uh you lost your job. You know, these can all be very or you you you have a loss of a child or a loss of a parent, loss of a spouse. That can be quite traumatic. And so sometimes do that trauma, I could see how neuroscience and meditation can be beneficial because you may, you might, and you could tell me more. Could that benefit people who have experiences that that's pretty heavy trauma? And you and you've had some in your life, so I'm sure you could really speak to that. What's your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER_00:So, you know, this idea of trauma, big T trauma, little T trauma, everybody, but but really when we have our thoughts from our past, yeah, that impact our present.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:And what we're really doing, and there's this expression if it's if it's hysterical, it's historical, right? So there's this idea that our we bring our past into our present, and that could be being triggered by the smell of smoke. You know, if you had the sensation or the if there you had been in a fire, for example, um, and you smell smoke and then you have a trigger. It could be if um you were in a war and you hear a helicopter, and all of a sudden just hearing a helicopter sends you back to those experiences.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:Um when you're practicing presence, one of the skills that you get to practice is recognizing what's happening in your body right here, right now.
SPEAKER_01:Right now.
SPEAKER_00:And and there's also skills, and I don't want to, you know, oversimplify this because it's there are you know traumatic experiences that would not be well served through meditation and that might be overwhelming. And if you bring yourself into, you know, that that could be too much. But practicing presence, recognizing that what's happening to you right this second is you know, right now I'm in my home, I I am not, you know, there I am safe. There is nothing that's happening to me in this moment, and that is a lot of of solace in the middle of all the stuff that you tell yourself. Yes, you know, very often I would lie in bed and I would have memories of the past invade my present, and I would say to myself, you know, there's a sh I'd feel my sheets. I'd feel the pillow under my head. And know that I in that moment I had a roof over my head and I was okay. And that's that's very helpful when you think that you know you're gonna die.
SPEAKER_02:Right. That is very, very good. I thank you for the clarification about what things may be too much at this moment for meditation, you know, that may be way more complex. You know, like, and I love the fact that you said big T little T trauma, because trauma can happen in so many different ways. And we are going to have these life experiences.
SPEAKER_00:We overuse the word, and and there are trauma specialists that deal with so so I don't want to minimize, um, but uh, but I do want to just talk about the skill set that can be very, very useful, which is staying present no matter what's happening.
SPEAKER_02:No matter what's happening. We're here right now, we're breathing in our homes, sheltered, um, safe, you know.
SPEAKER_00:And so I'll tell you a story. When I was going through um one of my cancer treatments, the first time I walked into the room and I saw the um the machine, it was this really big sound, and like there was a lot of noise that went with this machine. And I had this feeling of, oh my, that's that's a pretty scary looking machine.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:And then I and I used presence and I was like, okay, well, what's actually happening right now? Well, right now I get to play some great music because they asked me what the music's like. It's like cool. Right. Um the table was cold, and there was you know the noise of a machine. And as long as I could stay with what was happening, I didn't get myself into the what's next. Yes, I'm gonna die. I mean, you know, that that part is where the fear comes from.
SPEAKER_02:That's right, and then then that affects your thought process, and then I go well, it also then you start to release all of all of those chemicals that we just talked about, right?
SPEAKER_00:Now all of a sudden you're in a complete bath of uh of all your stress chemicals, that's not good.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So when you can stay present, then yes, that's truly a blessing.
SPEAKER_02:So uh with my closing question, Lynn, I know that you've had you've overcome so much, and then you you've written a book. I want you to really, I uh really want the title of the book on what website people can connect with you at.
SPEAKER_00:Well, when the book is ready, I will uh I will send you, but uh we're about a year away, so so very exciting. But right now, I am uh you can find me um at my website, which is Lynn Goldberg Meditation.com. Okay. And you can find me on the Breathe App. So that's um two places where I teach and regularly am.
SPEAKER_02:Awesome. And I'll make sure I'll put those in the description of the podcast so people can reach out and go to the Breathe App and go to your website to inquire about more services. My closing question is what would you tell 18-year-old Lynn? I know that you've come far on this, has been a beautiful journey, but you don't, I don't, I don't know if you had this much wisdom at 18. What would you go back and tell her now?
SPEAKER_00:None of us did, right?
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_00:That's that's the beautiful thing about being my age. I love I love this age. Um I would say there's it's it's gonna be okay. There's nothing that is so important that is so that's going to be so um overwhelming because you'll figure it out. You have the skills, everything is inside you.
SPEAKER_02:That's right.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Wow. I love that. I think that resonates with everybody, and and and that's that we will figure it out and we will be okay. And we were created with all the answers inside of us. It's just doing the work to get there, whether that's through meditation, whether that's through other modalities, I know that's one. Um, and everybody's in a journey, and any tool that they could use to get there is gonna be impactful. Um, and I think being in the present and meditating and getting rid of the distractions, or they're still there, but just leaning in and thinking about what's the worst that could happen.
SPEAKER_00:You don't want to go there, but well, I think I think sorry, I I I just cut you off, but but I just want to clarify that feeling of knowing yourself, yes, what you're what big S self is, like just knowing you who you actually are, yeah, is one of the things that that you can learn from meditation, and that's that's that's the ticket.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and that's powerful, that's the currency, and that that's priceless. So, Lynn man, thank you so much. I so appreciate this time you've given me this episode.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, it's great to meet you, and I love what you're doing.
SPEAKER_02:Thank you, and I love what you're doing. I love this journey that I'm on in podcasting. Some people all over the world, I don't know some of these people, they are tapping in and they're listening and they're reaching out to either myself or the people that I interview. And that's really was my goal, you know, is if I could reach one person um and know that we all suffer at some time. But how do we get through these journeys? And just like you said, it's just like river. There's gonna be rocks, there's gonna be waves, there are gonna be currents, but we're still flowing. Yeah, yes. Thank you. Nice to meet you too. Thank you again. Have a wonderful evening, and thank you again. I greatly appreciate this. Thank you. Bye, bye bye.