Overcomers Approach

Rebuilding After Loss

• Nichol Ellis-McGregor • Season 7 • Episode 10

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I have a awesome conversation with Chanoa Inez, author of Dream On: How to create the new life of your dreams after upheaval or loss. The heart of this conversation with Chanoa Inez is the quiet stretch between loss and the life that waits beyond it. We explored how a dream trip turned tragic in a single night, and how that shock rippled into years of hidden grief, health issues, and a muted version of normal. The turning point wasn’t a single fix but a series of choices: leaving a familiar city, shedding an inherited identity, and building daily practices that recalibrated the nervous system. By naming grief and seeing its link to food allergies, tendinitis, and constant fatigue, our guest mapped a path from survival to renewal that anyone can follow. It began with honesty about what wasn’t working and the courage to try again.

A single night can redraw a life. When a dream trip turned into sudden loss, we were forced to confront how grief can linger in the body and mind for years—shaping health, identity, and the choices we don’t realize we’re making. What followed wasn’t a tidy comeback; it was a series of experiments that slowly rebuilt trust in the future.

We walk through the turning points: leaving a familiar city to break out of a limiting identity, discovering advanced meditation techniques backed by research, and using movement—ballet, yoga, and especially yin yoga—to release emotions stored in the body. Along the way, we explore the difference between happiness and joy, why environment accelerates healing, and how daily practice can reverse long-standing issues and restore energy. The conversation is candid about fear, procrastination, and the traps of staying “busy” instead of starting the work that matters.

We also dive into personal branding from the inside out. A magnetic brand doesn’t start with a color palette; it starts with a clear relationship with yourself. When inner judgment quiets, sharing your message becomes natural, your positioning sharpens, and the right people can finally find you. We unpack practical steps for aligning your voice, values, and visibility so opportunities feel earned and easeful rather than forced.

If you’re navigating upheaval, craving a reset, or ready to express who you really are, this story offers evidence and tools: science-informed meditation, community-powered retreats, body-based release, and a humane approach to brand building.

Chanoa Inez is an advanced meditator and the author of Dream On: How to create the new life of your dreams after upheaval or loss. Chanoa also helps clients attract better opportunities with her MAGNETIZE YOUR PERSONAL BRAND™ program. She combines personal transformation techniques. 

More on Chanoa at https://www.chanoainez.com/

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SPEAKER_00:

Hello, everybody. This is Nicole Ellis McGregor, the founder of the Overcomers Approach podcast, where I meet with different people from different walks of life, different experiences, different expertise. But the overarching theme is that we all have the ability to overcome in our lives, no matter what has we have experienced or what has happened, whether that's physical, emotional, spiritual, financial, whatever that is, we have the ability to overcome and really rise up from the ashes like a phoenix and start with a new rebrand or whatever that is for us. I am so happy that I have Shanoa Inez here today. She's an advanced mediator and the author of Dream On How to Create the New Life of Your Dreams After Upheaval or Loss. Oh, that really resonated with me. She also helps clients attract better opportunities with her Magnetize Your Personal Brand program. She combines personal transformation techniques and years of copywriting experience to help clients connect to who they really are and to help them communicate that truth in a memorial, effective way. And so, uh Miss Inez, I'm so happy to have you here today. I thank you. I just really appreciate it. It really resonated with me, uh, your bio and your information and the book. And uh to uh and two, I really, really appreciate that you had the ability, and I can't wait to dive more into this after loss, how you were able to recover and rebrand yourself and rise amongst that. I really, really appreciate it. Shinoa, please, please take the floor. Let me know how you even got here today, why you decided to do the work that you do.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, well, that's a long story. So I'll just start from the start of um the origin story of my book. Yes. So I was living in Miami Beach at the time, and uh my partner, he was from Montenegro, and we went through on vacation. And long story short, I did not want to come back. I just fell in love with everything about um the country, the culture, the kind of different tempo of life.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_02:

So we agreed that we would go the next summer for summer vacation, but with a plan to stay if it worked out for our businesses.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Um so fast forward to that summer, we had our first day there, and everything was just magical. Um, and it was the first time in my life up until that point that everything just felt completely aligned. Um, but unfortunately, he did not wake up in the morning, he passed away in the middle of the night. So it was uh basically, you know, a very abrupt change. I'd entered this beginning stage of this dream life, and it was gone uh, you know, within less than 24 hours. So uh that set me on this trajectory of just, you know, of course, grief and I think prolonged grief because it was so surprising. And also because I was at that age, I didn't have any tools. No, you know, I'd never meditated before um up until uh until years later. Um, I didn't have these resilience tools in place. So as you can imagine, it was a difficult period. Um and what was interesting though, after you know, a few years it looked like life got back to normal. I was doing interesting things, living my life. But, you know, people who are close to me, they saw what was really happening, the picture. So I'd had all these health problems kind of surface, you know, food allergies. Yeah, and I didn't realize it was all connected to this extreme grief. I hadn't really processed.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_02:

Um, but the good side about all of those uh kind of health issues is that it sent me on this trajectory to have to look for some kind of change because nothing would help when I'd go to the doctor. So, you know, I started meditating, I tried um, I went to the Amazon for a plant medicine retreat, I tried Tibetan energy healing, I did everything. I flew around and tried everything um to really as a survival tool, and everything really did help, um, but just a little bit. And I was wondering why, you know, why I was not getting the results I wanted to see. Fast forward to when I moved to Los Angeles, things started changing pretty quickly, and I think it's because I extracted myself from the identity I had, because when you're always in the same place, you're like kind of living the same way, you have the same thoughts, everyone kind of regards you in the same way. So removing myself from there, um, and it was an exciting new change. Suddenly, my health uh issues started, you know, rapidly getting better. And then I discovered this more advanced form of meditation, and I just made it my mission to feel better first. Before then, actually, there were these lifestyle changes, just you know, friendships, relationships that were not uh loving towards me, and I I realized this and I made these changes. And actually, that's where the biggest um initial changes happen. Then the meditation, I was just like, I made it like my you know, second business. I was sometimes meditating two hours a day, three hours a day. I was just really um really intent on discovering what are my what are the thoughts I'm having, what are the feelings I'm having that are making life more difficult for me, that they don't have to be that way. And everything just, you know, everything has reversed except for the tree nut allergies. Everything else is I'm happy to say it's all reversed. And it was just this interesting journey because I never connected any of that period with that loss. And there was just one day, it was I'll I'll never forget it, it was just walking across my living room and it dawned on me like, oh, I just walked out of that cloud of grief. So this whole time, all of that was connected to this. So I knew there was a book I needed to write, I needed to help other people um recover from any difficulties, um, any kind of upheaval much faster because it it certainly doesn't need to take, you know, 10 plus years to completely recover from something.

SPEAKER_00:

Right.

SPEAKER_02:

Um, but this is pretty common.

SPEAKER_00:

I think a lot of people Yes, it is right.

SPEAKER_02:

They don't really see.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, I agree. I've had that very similar experience um to what you have. So I can I I definitely agree with that and acknowledge that. And it takes a lot of time that it goes missing, pieces of time, because you're still in that grief. So totally can understand. Yes.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, it's like your new normal becomes kind of yeah, toned down version of your life, and it's hard to realize it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I love the fact that you know, you you're aware of that. You know, some people don't get out of that state of being stuck, some people stay in prolonged grief for even longer. Um, and so I had delayed grief. I I'm remarried and I've been married for 13 years, but I had a first husband that died of lung cancer. And it wasn't sudden, um, but it was uh something that we probably experienced for four years off and on. And so uh I think to see him go from like a really intelligent, profound leader in what he did in his career to physically fit to like um cancer really eating away at who that shell of a person that he was, and I being the caregiver, um, and then him being ultimately gone. Like I don't even think I experienced grief to a year later because I was in survival mode. So I can relate to that, and then I'm I miss like it's kind of like going around in a circle, in a circle, same people, and um the expectation of who I was and what I needed to be. I kind of got lost in that. So I'm sure I can identify with what you're saying, and so could my listeners. So I love the fact that you have the ability to put it in a book for people to really go there and really understand it and and have a voice to what they're experiencing and tools, like you said, because you didn't have the tools, and then share those tools and explore those tools and on what has helped helped you. Now, I know in terms of meditation, what do you feel like how did it ground you or how did it keep you centered? You know, some people know about meditation and they may there may be different modalities to it, but what do you feel like has what what form of meditation do you use, and why do you feel like it's what did it do for you? Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Interesting. Um so before so right now, what I practiced are Dr. Joe Dispenza's meditations, they're very um advanced and I say advanced because there's so much research and science behind it, but anyone can learn it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_02:

Um, but when I started doing these meditations, it was funny because I'd already meditated for a decade. Yeah, and I could do unguided meditations for an hour and just sit there. So I was certainly not nude to meditation. Right. Um, and I had a friend who wanted to go to one of the retreats, and I said, sure, I'll go. Yeah. So yeah, he was like, We'll try his meditations first.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

So I got one that was, I think, an hour and a half long, guided. And as soon as I put it on, it's funny because he uses voice effects often, so that you're not thinking about him as a person, you're right getting deep into the zone. So I actually was laughing, like, what is this?

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_02:

And then I went into the deepest meditation I'd ever had. And an hour and a half later, when the meditation ended, I was just like, Oh, right. This is really something completely different, um, much more profound. And actually, that's when a lot of the other things started speeding up, like you know, unhealed tendinitis five years. I stopped even trying to heal it and it just gradually went away. I'm doing ballet, I'm doing yoga. It's like um, so it's interesting. And I think go ahead, keep going. Yeah, and so it's interesting. It's you know, um, I appreciate that there's the science behind it, everything to the from the tempo to the sounds, they measure people's heart rate uh variability and their brain waves in the meditation so they know how to um which sounds and which pauses, etc., will make what kind of effect. Um, so it's easier to switch brain states. So um it's been wonderful for me. I just really enjoy the meditations, whether I have time to do longer ones, walking meditations or shorter seated ones. Um, it just rem reminds me every time I'm practicing elevated emotions in those meditations, yeah, it brings me right back to gratitude and it helps me recognize, you know, when I'm thinking thoughts that are not helpful, you know, that are not in my favor. Right. Um yeah, but you know, that's that's certainly the kind of meditation I would recommend. But any kind of meditation, I think is really important to just become really familiar with the mental chatter and just to reset. There's just so much going on and there's so much stimuli. Yeah. Uh yeah, it's just yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I love I love the fact that you said that. I think because all of us, especially, I think I don't know if it's me more so now, or I have no idea. It just seems like there's so much going on around us and in the world and an environment. And then our the way our brain can be wired sometimes. We can get, I think you said elevated emotions. That means like you're thinking of like probably not the best things. Um, and then you know, being able to tune that out and just like get grounded and get connected to your body and your breathing, and just being really centered, I think is just I think it's so important, like it's so critical. I and I I know there's been studies on it, I know they've done it in schools, uh and daycares and uh prisons, like because this is really keeping people centered and grounded and more aware. And so I think this is I think it's completely great. How do you think uh how can people reconnect to joy? Uh, what do you what are your thoughts on that like through that process? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Uh joy is one of the elevated emotions that I I like to practice in my meditations. Um, but I think it's so important because you know, all those years when I thought I'd uh you know, I'd pass through that grief. If you'd asked me if I was happy, I would tell you I was happy.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Um, unless I was going through something challenging. Um, but I really thought I was happy. Right. But you know, happiness, it's it's just something that um it's so easy to answer from our brains, yeah, and it's it's not necessarily going to be a feeling, whereas joy, it's undeniable, it's you know, electric, it's energetic, you can feel you know across the street if somebody is uh full of joy. So yeah, um I think that's really important as people are coming out of this um the phase of grief, the phase of you know frustration of any kind of challenge. Yeah. Once you can start feeling that those kinds of emotions again, that you know that you're really making progress.

SPEAKER_00:

I love that. And I love the fact that you said if you see a person across the street, sometimes you could just see the joy, you could see the you could feel the energy. Like it just it's so contagious. It's a good contagion that that that that you definitely want in your life. So I love the fact that you said that. Um, also, too, like you said, and like joy is it exists in a space that like it can't be taken away, it's not really temporary. You know, it exists, it's there for us to for us to partake in.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, I I also resonated when you said you left and moved to LA. I love the fact I I relocated myself from Minnesota to Arizona. And again, I just like yourself, like certain I had really bad sinus infections, just going to the doctor and not having you're like you're fine, you know, and just kind of have elements. Um, and then I think I needed a change of the circle that I was in, also the environment, which opened, you know, you up to new opportunities. How do you feel like um, and and you you probably mentioned this in the book, but and just you have your own lived experience, you walked this through. How do you feel like uh did it open you up to more opportunities? What did that look like? What did that feel like? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Um, well, one, I think specifically Los Angeles is a place of dreams. And the first place I lived in LA, I was actually living beneath the Hollywood sign, that neighborhood beneath it. So that just felt especially appropriate. Um but you know, I'm sure you can relate to this. Uh, after your husband passed, everyone starts to treat you through the lens of, you know, Nicole whose husband has passed. So they help uh, you know, reaffirm a certain identity for you. Um, and that's not helpful. Or then maybe if you had the told anyone about them sinus issues, they're focusing on that. Like I was sit at a restaurant and my friends would turn around and say how many allergies I have, how I never I used to have them, and you know, woe is her. So we just like reaffirm that identity. So, you know, moving to Los Angeles and only having one friend who knew me from that identity. Um yeah, it it really changed everything.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. I like the fact that you said because identity is a strong word. I think identity is like really who we are, and if we exist in an environment that kind of nurtures that and kind of helps you continue to manifest that, how difficult that is to come come out of that space to to because we're constantly evolving and growing, kind of you know, rebranding who we are. And I think we all should in life do that, but it's sometimes it's more difficult to do that if your identity is stuck in a place, and it doesn't mean that that was a bad place that you were in, that was just a part of the journey, it's a part of your life. But we want to evolve and grow, and it sometimes if people keep kind of just kind of repeating that, then it's hard to kind of exist and evolve and grow to the place that you want to be. But you went to the great lights of LA and the Hollywood song that because that takes courage, that takes courage, and that takes a certain sense of tenacity uh within you to be able to do that. So I definitely love that because some people get stuck in fear and they won't they won't move, they won't do it. Like I I as you may know as well as myself, I have some people that I grew up with, they have not left that city, you know. Yeah, and it's not a bad thing because maybe that's your calling, but if you want to go, if you want to have the courage, I love the fact that you did it because it shows that it can be done. Um, so you did it, you're out there. And what do you feel like? Did anything outside of that, like in terms of more opportunities, do you feel like just the the sheer enjoyment of life has that changed for you as well?

SPEAKER_02:

Um yes, definitely. Definitely um shedding those layers, I just became, yeah, a much more joyful person, um much more grateful, you know, doesn't mean I can't feel you know sad or frustrated or anything like that. But yeah, it just becomes like the new baseline for how you feel every day. So um everyone's noticed the difference, you know. You feel it, you know, family members can tell friends, and uh it's nice, it's it's really nice when you when we realize, oh, we just had to get out of our own way. And yeah, there takes some work and it can be uncomfortable, but the payoff is like so worth it.

SPEAKER_00:

It is. I completely agree with you. I think too, what people are desiring, and you could tell me what your thoughts on that. I think uh people are really attracted to who whatever your authentic self is, whatever the real you is. I think some people put on masks for whatever reason, it could be for so many different reasons. It could be for protection, it could be from for fear, it could be for so many. Maybe you don't think you'll be accepted in those spaces. But I think people are really attracted to who you are and what gifts you offer. How do you think um, like your experience with meditation and connecting to joy can help people live in in their realness and their authentic selves? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Um it's I think it comes down to being comfortable with yourself, and the more you know yourself, yeah, the less you're gonna fear what other people are thinking.

SPEAKER_00:

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, and then also becoming more aware of the things that you're thinking. Um, I find that you know, this fear of being more visible, like for your personal brand, uh, or just communicating what it is you do, what it is you want to do, it becomes a lot more difficult if a person is very judgmental, whether they speak those judgments aloud or not. Right. Because if they have That many judgments for other people, they're gonna be terrified that people are gonna be judging them the whole way. So it's hard to get out of the way and focus on okay, this is my goal, this is the people. Um, this is the group of people I serve, and you know, I just need to show up, and it gets easier, you become more comfortable with it.

SPEAKER_00:

I like yes, like you said, you be the more you do it, the more comfortable you're gonna be at presenting who you are, you know, and it takes practice, you know, just like meditation, you know, being consistent with what you do, I think that's so important. In terms of your book, what do you feel like? Did you have any barriers to writing the book, or was it just was it something you kind of thought about for years, or how did how did that process of even thinking about writing the book, how did that even come into play? Because I know there's a process for some people.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, well, I mean, I am I've been a writer for life. Um, I've had a long copywriting career. Uh, so I didn't have a hurdle on the writing side, but there was definitely a mindset block to get over because I realized, you know, it just it was something I knew I needed to do, but then I was immediately intimidated by the idea. So I I just started working on it right away so that the fear wouldn't overtake me.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

And then there was a period of time where I was just I had a very busy schedule, and I was I started using the schedule as an excuse. So I didn't work on the book at all for a few months, and then I realized what I was doing. It was just like this fear again. And once I figured that out, then I just finished the book in record time.

SPEAKER_00:

Awesome. I like the fact I and that helps me by what you're saying. Um, sometimes you just gotta jump in and you just have to do it. Um, because if we find that excuse that could we could give that more power than actually pouring out to what you were called to do, which was write the book. I love the fact that you just said you just dived in and do it and you just had to get it done. I think you know, I think people have different approaches, but I like that style because um I'm a proc I'm a recovering procrastinator. If I don't jump in and do it, it just sometimes won't get done. And so I like the fact that you have shown showed us through your lived example of doing that. And even like you said, you have a years of experience, years of writing experience, copywriting, like that's your gift, that's your strength, that's your career, that's what you've done. But for to be that transparent to say, but I had a a little bit of fear even writing the book, you know. Like I think people seeing that authentic and you stating that, I think that really helps a lot of people in their even process because I think we have people who do career shifts or they want to do a side lobby or they're into the rebranding. Um, and so there's fear with that that takes place, and and sometimes people don't know, you know, what do I do it at all? Should I do it? And I think people like such as yourself, just having that being able to role model for that is just very, very important.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00:

How do you um, in terms of as writing the book, meditation, you know, living your life, doing what you do, how do you remain sustainable? What do you do for self-care? How do you so that you don't get yes?

SPEAKER_02:

Well, um honestly meditation's my favorite thing, but I do like to incorporate movement when I'm not too busy. Um I've started studying ballet and uh I like that Pilates, I like my work. I find combining um working on my mind and some physical movement helps me a lot. Yes um and gives me more energy. I also like to go to meditation retreats. I, you know, before I was like, I didn't go to a retreat for almost two years after my first one, but I was meditating so much at home.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Then when I finally went back to one, I realized that again, that benefit of getting out of your environment. Yes, and then being surrounded by people who are excited to be there, meeting new people, that kind of you know, bubble of energy. It's like lovely energy to take home. Um, so I've started going to more retreats too. I'm gonna go to another one actually next week.

SPEAKER_00:

So I love I love that the concept of, you know, like you're saying, still getting out of your environment, even the environment that you live in existence, still even getting out of that environment, and then being in a place where you have a shared goal, like everybody's there, maybe for different reasons, but the goal is, you know, you know, the same goal. This they they're going to the retreat, they want to be there, you know, and they want to come out better than they came in, you know, or or evolved, or whatever that may be for each individual person. But I I love the fact that being in that shared community has power, you know, it it helps with your self-care, and I'm sure that would help other people too as well. So I love the fact that you said that. I also like the fact that you said that you incorporate body movement into your self-care. I think that's like so important, and I know a lot more people are incorporating that in into whatever they do. I think that's like so important and how it's connected to your brain as well, you know. Yes, interconnected. So I love that.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, and the body, you know, it stores so many emotions. So for a while I wasn't really working on that. And then when I started doing yin yoga, I was surprised. Yeah, I couldn't make any plans after the yin yoga session because I would feel upset after I did it. And then I found out, you know, the body stores so much, uh so much like old, like trapped emotions.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_02:

So, you know, you do a lot of the hip work and then you feel angry, you know, other movements make you feel sad, but then if you do it enough, then you don't feel that way anymore. So it was interesting watching that whole process until now it's just it's just fun to do that yoga.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's just wow. I and and so you even making that connection and saying what you experienced, I think that'll allow people to understand it more for themselves. I think for some people um who do it, more and more people are doing it. But for those that are unfamiliar, I think for you being able to say like your story of that is is so helpful. It's even helpful for me because I think what some people do, they might go to a Pilates class or Mac class, and maybe it may not work for them, but it doesn't mean it's a bad experience, you know what I mean? Maybe to try a different modality. Oh, you know, so I love that. I love that. And our body stores, like you said, a lot of emotions, and so that that is really important. I know we're winding down to the last few minutes. Tell me a little bit more about magnetize your personal brand program. Um, what what what what what is that about? Like what how what do you offer that? I know people are moving into the space of rebranding. I have a lot of colleagues who are kind of doing it. I'm thinking about doing it. Um, I've just been so busy, but I know that it needs to be done. I know that it's really important. Um, tell me a little bit about the program. Yes.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Um, so shortly after my book came out, uh it just dawned on me like every everyone's talking about having a personal brand, how important it is. Um and it's true, but a lot of the considerations are solely on the brand identity, visual identity side, what people are posting. Um, and all that is also, you know, these are all pieces of the pie. But the most important part about your personal brand is really your relationship with yourself and knowing who you are and being being able to express that, you know, through your communication skills, through the right positioning and messaging.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_02:

Um, yeah, so my program could be described as personal transformation meets personal branding.

SPEAKER_00:

I love it. Personal transformation meets personal branding. I love that. And it makes them more personalized. It makes them a little bit more individualized. It doesn't sound, you know, it sounds like you're meeting people right where they're at and what what they need to do. And so I love the fact that it's just not like branding, like you're including the person in that and what that means for them. So I think that's something that's definitely beneficial. Um, my last question is uh as you navigate through these changes, uh, change of environments, meditation retreats, you know, just evolving into the person that you're called to be, where do you see yourself like in three years? Like, what would you like to do? Would you like to explain that even more? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Wow, that is such an interesting question. Um I have not thought that far.

SPEAKER_01:

That's fine.

SPEAKER_02:

Um, you know, there are some other book ideas in the horizon. Yeah, I imagine I'd keep up this tempo of meditation with dreams, but I I've really come to love the unknown. So I do like plans in the short term, but I also notice how I've anytime I hold on to uh tight to a plan, how that just doesn't doesn't work. So we'll see. I'll stay tuned.

SPEAKER_00:

I love the fact that you know, I love your answer. I I think because it's being okay with the unknown, you know, and so I think that's a that's a good and okay place to be in. It's to trust the process. And I love the fact that sometimes plan don't go as we we can plan it as greatly as we want to, but it may not come through the way we want it to, and and I like that. And I'm a planner, but I'm a short-term planner as well. I have to break it down in pieces. I I would get overwhelmed, I think, if I put anything out there too far.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, so I completely, completely understand. And what gives you hope as you do this work?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, um wow. I you know, it's too many wonderful things have happened throughout this process that you know obviously I can have moments of doubt, but there's just so much um evidence to what is possible. So it's nice. I I can take that, you know, I can take those insights and see obviously there's just gonna be more and more, and uh this life has so much to offer.

SPEAKER_00:

That is amazing. It's amazing because there is so many things to be grateful for. This life has so many things to offer. I think for people who may be in a space where life can be difficult, um, I think to really look at the optimistic side of life and to say, hey, this is nature, you know, we have the physical ability to do whatever we need to do. There's a community out there. I think there's so many wins. Um, and you're a reminder of that. And so I I definitely appreciate that. And that reminder, you know, to know that there's so many possibilities, and I love that. Then all it has been a pleasure meeting with you today. I thank you for taking up the space with me. I always learn something different with everybody that I interview with, and you know, and my takeaways is uh with you, it's just you know, change your environment if you need to meditate and be grounded, try different things, explore the possibilities, um, you know, and and knowing that you've come up with some solutions, which is we if we experience loss or upheaval in our life, we don't have to stay there as long as we we don't need to be there longer than we need to be. And time is so valuable. Um, and if we can make use of our time, whatever that looks like, whatever the possibility is, you come along and and and provided that insight and tools for some other people, and I and I greatly appreciate that. And then two, you know, just being able to have this courage and fearlessness to go where you where you wanted to go and you did it, even with the loss and experience, um, which I know there'll be more to come, so I'll be checking it out. I know there's more horizon. Um, I thank you. If people want to get in touch with you, what web link would they go to to see uh to purchase your book and your personal brand program and all that? Thank you.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, um, they can find everything at my website, chinoainos.com.

SPEAKER_00:

Awesome. I'll make sure that it's in the narrative, Shanoa. I greatly appreciate you and I thank you for this time today. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02:

Thank you, Nicole.