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23. Superstitions: Generations Of Strange Beliefs

KO Season 2 Episode 10

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Cultural superstitions shape our daily behaviors in ways we rarely notice, from how we handle chopsticks to which direction we position our beds. Join us as we discuss fascinating beliefs from Japan, America, and Germany that reveal some surprising connections between seemingly unrelated cultures.

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Big shoutout to Allison Gray for generously granting us permission to feature her song, "Off My Mind" (from Ep 05).

Speaker 1:

I gotta get you out of my system. I gotta get you off of my desperately. But you pull them tighter, string me along. It's sad, but I'm so gone.

Speaker 2:

Country superstitions. Here we go, america. What are some?

Speaker 3:

If you find a penny, pick it up, that's good luck, right. But with my long nails I can't really pick up pennies, so I'll have to walk past it. But there's beginner's luck, that's good luck, right. But with my long nails I can't really pick up pennies, so I'll have to walk past it. But there's beginner's luck Sometimes, when you start something brand new and you don't know what the heck you're doing, you do a great job sometimes and they say, oh, beginner's luck.

Speaker 4:

We have that in Japan too.

Speaker 3:

Really, what is it called in Japanese?

Speaker 4:

Beginner's luck.

Speaker 3:

No in Japanese? How do you say it? Big inner slug no way. Okay, well, that's not Japanese. You mean like people repeat it.

Speaker 4:

I pronounce it Japanese way.

Speaker 3:

Okay, that's too funny. Crossing your fingers for good luck. But you know, do you remember when we were growing up like we would cross our fingers when we were lying and then you could lie and then it wouldn't be a lie, or something like that? Like if you cross your fingers and say something, it wouldn't be a lie? That was some of the good luck ones. I've never heard of this one. Maybe, maybe it is coming, I just don't know. Walking under ladders is a bad luck superstition, I guess, because the ladder could come down.

Speaker 4:

Why.

Speaker 3:

I guess a common belief that walking under a ladder is a sign of bad luck, potentially leading to misfortune. Friday the 13th yeah, but is that in Japan too, though?

Speaker 4:

Yeah, isn't it from that movie? Friday the 13th? Yeah, that Jason guy. Wasn't that his name?

Speaker 2:

I don't know the actor's name or the character name.

Speaker 4:

No, no, no the character name.

Speaker 2:

I have no idea.

Speaker 4:

Friday, the 13th oh, maybe I'm.

Speaker 2:

But I feel like in Japan the numbers are different, though More than anything like four, number four and number nine are bad luck.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, but Friday the 13th is also considered bad luck, but I think maybe that's from the Western. Yeah, from the US.

Speaker 3:

That's what it says on here. I looked it up, but yeah, speaking of four being a bad number, Keiko, when she auditioned for high school, the day she was going to find out was April 4th at 4 pm. I was like what? That is like the worst numbers combined in Japan.

Speaker 2:

When she had the audition to get into a school.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, they were like, yeah, it's easy to remember Four, four, four. That's what the teachers were saying.

Speaker 2:

Triple death, and then did she have a good luck.

Speaker 3:

Well, obviously, triple death. And then, did she have a good luck? Well, obviously she didn't. Yeah, killing a ladybug. Some believe killing a ladybug is bad luck. I mean, why would you want to kill a ladybug anyway?

Speaker 2:

the ladybugs pee, is it when you smash it, or is it just when they? I don't know.

Speaker 3:

But I you know what I don't. I love ladybugs when they're not flying. They're so cute, but then when they're done flying and they don't fold their wings in all the way, it's so ugly. Have you seen it when it's like part of it is sticking out? I hate that. I'm like fold it all the way in. It looks so gross. I'm sure it will eventually. Yeah, I don't know, it just looks really bad. And then sumi said this one when we were touching up on the subject opening an umbrella inside is also bad luck in the us yeah, japan too I think that's also in germany as well uh, knock on wood for good luck.

Speaker 3:

That's us right. I mean, we don't do that in japan. No, black cats crossing your path is a bad luck. I think black cats in general are bad luck.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, in Japan too.

Speaker 3:

I mean in Japan. I don't know about US. Yeah, I think it is bad in the US too. But isn't it like in Japan, if you see a black cat, you can take three steps back and then you undo your bad luck, yeah, something like that. So then you have to turn around and like look away from the cat, right?

Speaker 2:

Because, then if you see it again're gonna keep walking backwards. Do you see a lot of black cats, though? In japan? I feel like they're very rare. I feel like I see a lot of yeah I've seen black cats, but like stray cats.

Speaker 3:

Your black cat kawaii, no, I know that's my face.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it did. I feel like the stray cats. I have never seen black ones in japan not that I'm there every single day, but I feel like well, I feel like there aren't much stray cats in Japan in general.

Speaker 4:

Well, I guess in this area Maybe we should go to the countryside, our hometown.

Speaker 3:

I mean, I don't really recall seeing a lot of stray cats either Like stray ones, At our grandma's. Was it a stray one that used to come in and out, or were they actually? Did they have it as a pet? They did have a pet as a pet or was it just? It would just show up, we've never met it before no, I used to play with a cat at oba-chan, our grandma's which one. Um, oh okay, no, I was talking about I used to stretch his arms and it used to get mad at me.

Speaker 4:

I heard that our oba-chan hates cats, so I don't think it was her pet.

Speaker 2:

Our grandma hates cats.

Speaker 3:

It was inside the house, and so I don't know if maybe it just came every once in a while, I don't know, but it was inside the house and I remember playing with it and stretching its arms. You don't remember playing with a cat at her house? I don't, it wasn't all the time, so maybe it was a stray.

Speaker 4:

That just I believe it was because okasa said the obaca hates cat really well, we have to confirm that.

Speaker 3:

It's not something I'm just imagining in my head, but I'm pretty positive. I was, I remember, just stretching his arms and it was like mad at me for doing that, like I was trying to play with it.

Speaker 4:

What else? Okay. So in Japan there are a lot of superstitions, and Kaori mentioned about the number thing. So, yes, 4 and 9 are considered bad luck, because 4 can be pronounced two ways 4 or 4. And 4 literally means death, so it's considered bad luck. So there are some hotels and hospitals that avoid using number four, so there's no like fourth floor, or they don't use four fourth floor numbers yeah some hotels or hospitals.

Speaker 2:

It's like there's no floor.

Speaker 4:

13, yeah, really and also in, apparently, in the maternity section of a hospital. The room number 43 is avoided because it can be read as shizang, which in japanese means stillbirth yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:

I mean if it's written a certain way yeah, and then also number nine.

Speaker 4:

Nine can be pronounced as q or ku, and ku literally means like agony or torture, so that's also considered bad luck Suffering. But same as the US. Seven is considered lucky, a lucky number.

Speaker 1:

But for a different reason.

Speaker 4:

Apparently, it's an important number in Buddhism and that's why it's also considered lucky.

Speaker 2:

I'm really not looking forward to my birthday this year because I'll be 44 and it's double death. Man, oh, it just feels really strange.

Speaker 3:

When christoph turned 44, I was like it's not a good number I don't feel like I have any meaning attached to it, like even when I turn 44. I feel like only like the bigger milestones, like maybe 50, you know yeah, it would be like oh my gosh, it's 50 yeah, it's just the numbers.

Speaker 2:

I guess I just it's. It doesn't sound good, yeah, 44.

Speaker 4:

My lucky number is actually number nine, so I don't really, oh interesting okay, what else? Okay. So in japan, sleeping with their head facing north is considered bad luck and brings death, and the reason behind this is because the deceased is placed facing the north in funerals yeah, well, is that from China?

Speaker 2:

I do remember, though, our parents, or our mom in particular, was always conscious about it. Yeah, yeah, even now, like when we stayed at your place, simi.

Speaker 3:

I think Oto-san was trying to figure out like which way should I lay my head?

Speaker 2:

Like when he was putting the futon down. Yeah, and subconsciously I do that too when somebody comes here and stays or when we're somewhere else, but you know there's not much you can do. I think it's easier in Japan, though, because you know you actually put the mattress down, futon every day in the evening, yeah. Oh, if you sleep on a futon, yeah, because if it's a bed you can't move it. It's just you know what I mean. Like it's always facing a certain way, but with futon, since many people in Japan, they put it away in the morning, when you wake up and pull it back out at night, it's easier, I think, to figure out which direction is north. Keiko puts her head towards north.

Speaker 3:

Her bed is set up so that her head's supposed to face south, but you know she likes to do strange things. She decided to flip it one day. I mean just the pillow, because she's on the loft bed, so there's a ladder, but there's like a specific way, you know, to put your pillow down. But she decided, oh, I just don't want to anymore. So she put her pillow on the other side.

Speaker 4:

So she's laying in the coffin I have no idea which way I'm facing when I'm sleeping.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I'm sure in japan the architects probably are conscious about it when they're designing.

Speaker 4:

I'm very sure yeah another superstition um, this is what I remember otosan used to tell us when we were kids.

Speaker 4:

But um, he would say to hide our belly button when it's storming outside yeah, yeah didn't he used to say, because we would get struck by lightning maybe it would be taken away by some lightning monster yeah, I think it was like it'll be gone or something yeah, the reason behind that is because there is this god of thunder and god of wind, which are two figures in japanese mythology, and whenever it rains or thunders, parents will tell their children to hide their belly buttons, otherwise they will take it away. But the explanation behind this is that, because it gets cold when it rains and can be especially dangerous when it thunders, the parents ask their children to cover their belly buttons, not only so that they can curl up like a ball to keep warm, but also can protect them from the thunderbolts, is apparently the reason behind it.

Speaker 2:

That kind of reminds me, I think, that when you're young, when you're a child, a lot of times when you go to bed, our parents were always like how do I keep on? You know?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, like a wrap around your stomach. Yeah, I don't know if that's why, but I still like to have my stuffed animal on top of my stomach when I sleep.

Speaker 4:

Even now yeah.

Speaker 3:

Like it's a stuffed animal that like takes shape, you know. However you lay it, so it has like somewhat of a weight and it kind of like wraps around my stomach if I put it there.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, people do that to say you know it's protecting you from getting cold or something at night.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, Do you also remember our parents used to say don't go to sleep with your hair wet because you could catch a cold.

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Or don't clip the nails At night, unless it's in the morning, in the daylight. And that was because, why? Because our mom said that you can clip it too deep, because you might not be able to see it very well.

Speaker 4:

Okay, so apparently, that's actually the reason why there's this mythology, because, well, they say that cutting nails at night in Japan will prevent you from being present at your parents' deathbed, and the explanation behind this is that it's linked to the fact that cutting nails at night used to be unsafe due to the lack of good lighting.

Speaker 3:

That's kind of obvious, but wait, what was the first part? You said what did you say? About by your parents' deathbed. Yeah, you won't be able to make it. Oh, you want to make it?

Speaker 4:

you won't, yeah, but do we want to make it?

Speaker 1:

like a lot of times I feel like I mean I feel like people that are dying.

Speaker 3:

I don't feel like they necessarily want their last moment to be seen.

Speaker 2:

Really, I feel like yeah, yeah, but I think culturally that's what people say or wish for what's that the?

Speaker 3:

family is yeah, makes there I mean, I guess we haven't experienced it yet personally with our parents, but my friend told me recently she didn't want to be there to watch her mother take her last breath. She saw her prior, when she was still well, and she's like. I just wanted to remember her that way, because towards the end, like when they are nearing death, their face start to kind of deform a little bit I guess, and she's like towards the end I almost didn't recognize her and I don't want to see her take her last breath. But she was like. But I was glad my brother was there. I don't think I would want that. I wouldn't feel like I'm alone because I'm dying.

Speaker 4:

But you know, like I don't think I would want my kids to be in a check-in hospital. Well, we made it to Takeshi's mom's last moment. We were there, both Takeshi and I, and also his sister, her husband and their son.

Speaker 2:

This is your husband's family.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, the hospital will give you a call and they'll be. Like you know, it's almost time, so I think yeah they probably still do it, if you can.

Speaker 3:

What about Germany? Or is there anything else in Japan?

Speaker 4:

There's a lot. I feel like there is a lot. What about some?

Speaker 2:

unusual things.

Speaker 4:

Unusual things, okay. What about singing at night? Or something?

Speaker 3:

Wasn't there something? Or was it our parents?

Speaker 4:

I think it's like whistling at night will attract snakes. Okay, I don't know why, but yeah, that's what they used to say. And also putting your chopsticks straight up in food Right, or like stabbing it, yeah like straight up. It's considered disrespectful, but also bad luck, and this is because chopsticks are placed in such a way when the food is offered to the dead, so they will tell you not to do it, stabbing the chopsticks in the rice.

Speaker 3:

Well, particular, yeah, especially rice, that's how it's served, but then in general it's disrespectful to do that or wait, sorry. On the same topic, chopstick to chopstick. Oh yeah, yeah passing I actually like dropped food once because I didn't want the kids taking it from me, from chopstick to chopstick, like when I was trying to give them something like food. I'll try this. And they're reaching for it with their chopsticks and I'm like no, no, no and I just dropped them because it's not. You know, you're not supposed to do that.

Speaker 4:

they say uh, the reason is because they only do that when they pass those um little pieces of bones that are left behind when someone's cremated using chopsticks, chopsticks, and so that's why they tell you not to do that so one person passes on to another by chopsticks, so you touch the chopsticks why don't they just cut that person out?

Speaker 3:

why is it necessary to have two people to do that job?

Speaker 2:

it. It's probably honoring that person Okay, Honored by many people. So yeah.

Speaker 3:

So when you're eating food in Japan, don't ever pass any food to somebody with chopsticks and then receive it with chopsticks, like your chopsticks can never touch someone else's. It's very wrong in Japan.

Speaker 4:

People will freak out if they see that. Last thing I want to mention is what we used to do when we were growing up, you know, when we lost our tooth, yep, we would throw it outside.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, like if your top tooth you throw it to the underground and then if it's the bottom tooth you throw it up in hopes that it grows well.

Speaker 3:

In that direction, as if, like, I've never seen teeth grow the opposite way, have you?

Speaker 2:

No, but my teeth were not straight, so that didn't work very well.

Speaker 4:

I mean, I had braces and stuff.

Speaker 2:

We all have braces, so I guess it didn't really work well but can you imagine, though there are like few teeth up on the roof or under the ground. I mean under the ground. There's not really like there's no underground that you can throw it out. You just throw it under the house. No, I mean back in the ground.

Speaker 3:

There's not really like there's no underground that you can throw it out, you just throw it under the house. No, I mean back in the day. No, like they didn't have, like that, like my neighbor Totoro house, that image. No, where it's like raised, like the house is a little raised.

Speaker 4:

And yeah, yeah, but not every house is raised like that, but maybe I looked it up and it says the teeth from the upper side are thrown outside the window and ones from the lower side will be tossed up to the roof.

Speaker 3:

Okay, well, we didn't do that, right, right.

Speaker 4:

That's why we all have braces.

Speaker 2:

Wait, wait, wait. The lower tooth is thrown up high right.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, the lower side will be tossed up to the roof like up high.

Speaker 2:

The lower teeth. That's what my dad did.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, and the ones from the upper side are thrown outside the window. Okay, not like literally down, isn't?

Speaker 3:

that crazy? Do we actually really throw them? You remember? Yes, yeah, do we?

Speaker 2:

actually really throw them. You remember? Yes, yeah, yeah. Well, we didn't do it, oto-san did.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 4:

We didn't do it ourselves, I did it, you did it yourself. I remember throwing it up to the roof.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, well, oto-san was there. Okay, I didn't do it. I thought it was a parent's job, I don't know.

Speaker 4:

I remember doing Lucas.

Speaker 3:

if anybody is visiting Japan and you find random teeth, don't freak out. Nobody's dead. Probably it's likely that a child lost his or her tooth.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, but it's kind of different now because people some people keep their teeth, their children's teeth, like in little pieces.

Speaker 2:

I have them. I have Lucas's teeth. Don't tell them, because you know they were supposed to be gone, Taken by Tooth Fairy. You have all of them.

Speaker 3:

Yep, I have all of them.

Speaker 3:

I have just random ones. One I accidentally threw away. Do you even know whose it is? No, my friend accidentally threw it away. It was Keiko's tooth. We were out eating together and then I wrapped it in a napkin. I was like, oh my gosh, like we need to give it to the tooth fairy. I wrapped it in the in the napkin and my friend's son was crying and he was just a baby and she wasn't able to eat. So I was like, okay, I'm done eating, give me the baby. So I was holding the baby and the baby actually immediately stopped crying in my arms and almost fell asleep. So she, when she was done eating, she decided to go ahead and clean everything up and threw it away. Kiko was like mama, where's my tooth? And I was like I thought back and I was like, oh my gosh, she threw them out. She threw all the trash out. So she threw your tooth out. But I didn't tell my friend because I didn't want her to feel bad.

Speaker 2:

Okay, I think I've talked about this before about Germany. Opening an umbrella indoors is very much the same, and I guess I didn't really know that until at some point, maybe after I came here. I didn't know that that was the thing in the US either, to be honest, or in Japan, I wonder where it originated. Unsure.

Speaker 3:

I'm going to look it up while you keep talking, okay.

Speaker 2:

So I have mentioned before also about celebrating birthday early that Germans oh yeah, that's so strange yeah. Considered bad luck.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

People celebrate it on the day or after, but not before.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, that's so interesting, weird, yeah, okay. So it says ancient Egyptians used umbrellas to protect from the sun, and opening one indoors was seen as disrespectful to the sun. God Okay.

Speaker 2:

Interesting.

Speaker 3:

Additionally, the early design of umbrellas with hard metal spokes and spring triggers could be dangerous to open indoors. It can cause injuries or damages. Yeah, basically, it's an insult to sun, god, I guess, didn't know that.

Speaker 2:

So the birthdays. Another interesting thing is that I noticed that when you celebrate birthday here, if it's your birthday, then you put it together, you buy things, whatever you need to do to you know, get the party going and not anyone else celebrating it for you.

Speaker 4:

Like let's say like you plan, let's say, like so strange, you plan your birthday party yeah, you plan your own birthday party I mean, but is it that's not the case for kids?

Speaker 3:

obviously I wonder at what point you just have to start planning your own I'm not sure I would never celebrate mine then or I think that's how it is.

Speaker 2:

Um, usually maybe, but it's interesting, right, feels strange, but I guess it makes sense in a way. So, yeah, yeah, so that's one thing. And um, clinging glasses and maintaining eye contact when you say cheers I think we all also talked about this, but it's, yeah, you have to look at the eyes to you know, like with beer or with wine when you cheers.

Speaker 1:

Thank the glass you have to make eye contact.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, did we miss it on purpose when we toasted because we were making eye contact.

Speaker 2:

I'm sure that probably happens sometimes, but it's because I found out you face seven years of bad sex, according to German lore. So that's why people say make sure you look at people's eyes when you lick the glass. That's kind of funny.

Speaker 3:

I would look at the glass so I wouldn't spill or miss the cling you know?

Speaker 4:

yeah, I feel like you would miss the cling, yeah it's kind of startling, especially if you're holding, like you know champagne flute yeah, like something sensitive versus like a beer stein yeah

Speaker 3:

I mean, that's a force, yeah, that would be fine, but, like, if it's like a champagne flute, I would a miss it and be maybe shatter it. Um, when you other than birthday like, can you say merry christmas earlier, or is that bad luck too, or just birthday? I don't know actually, I think it's just birthday, like in general, should not be celebrated before but after is fine, like two days after is fine, and you can't say happy birthday before I'm not so sure.

Speaker 2:

That's what it says, but I know that you're not supposed to celebrate it before, but yeah I don't know if you should not also say happy birthday either, because you can say happy early birthday perhaps, but I don't know if that's also bad luck, I don't know. Something I found interesting was washing clothes on new year's days to wash away a family member. Example bring death or bad fortune. Wash away your family members Because it goes into the washing machine Sorry.

Speaker 1:

Simi, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, kari, I washed, you too.

Speaker 3:

Like kill them. So really, that's really the thing, like no washing clothes I guess does christophe know this too I'm not sure.

Speaker 2:

I'll have to ask him if this is something you found online, right? Yeah, oh interesting but you know it's so funny because in japan it's the opposite, right like new year's day, when you do some things like cleaning, cleaning, cleaning it brings luck or you can start out fresh, well, not on New Year's Day. That's true. It happens on New Year's Eve.

Speaker 4:

New Year's Eve or, you know, prior to New Year's.

Speaker 2:

Because New Year's Day is supposed to be more of resting. Yeah Right, I'm very sure I've washed clothes, though. On New Year's Day here, spilling salt brings bad luck, unless you throw some over your left shoulder.

Speaker 3:

Yes, same as you asked.

Speaker 4:

Why would you throw salt over your left shoulder?

Speaker 3:

For good luck.

Speaker 2:

Or like cancel it out. If you like, spill it.

Speaker 3:

No, I don't think there's Wait, so if you, spill salt.

Speaker 4:

You can just gather the salt and just throw it over your left shoulder.

Speaker 2:

I think so.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it says that I don't think it's considered bad luck in the US to spill salt on accident. You just have a mess.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it says, brings bad luck to spill it unless you throw some over your left shoulder. So I feel like you almost cancel it out by throwing it over the shoulder.

Speaker 4:

Throwing salt over your shoulder in Japan is considered purify yourself or to get rid of demons or spirits.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, what is salt throwing for the match for sumo wrestlers.

Speaker 4:

Oh, I don't know it's also purifying right or something.

Speaker 2:

Maybe you don't throw salt at the other opponent, you throw it on the floor. Is that salt they're throwing? Yeah, okay, breaking a mirror. I feel like this is also something I've heard it not just in Germany but it's said to bring seven years of bad luck.

Speaker 3:

That's so long. It is long wait. Any kind of mirror like what if it's like?

Speaker 1:

a small compact mirror, probably that too.

Speaker 3:

What's this? Breaking a mirror? I've broken so many mirrors and kids and I have okay has that brought bad luck?

Speaker 4:

I don't think your lives seven years of bad luck is seems really long yeah, and I wonder what kind of bad luck, I don't know, crossing knives on the table.

Speaker 2:

Maybe it has something similar to chopsticks or like fork and knife.

Speaker 3:

Who eats with knife and knife? Nobody. Like what kind of knives? Like kitchen? Wait, what?

Speaker 2:

Butter knife it's probably butter knife Said to cause arguments or bad blood among diners.

Speaker 3:

I don't think anybody really crosses. Nobody needs two butter knives, right.

Speaker 2:

Let me look it up.

Speaker 3:

Wait, I remember now though in Germany this is not like a superstition or anything, but you guys said you signal whether you're done eating or not using fork and knife, how you place them on the plate, yeah, In.

Speaker 4:

Japan too, what I think this is common sense. Well, place them on the plate yeah, in japan too, what I think. Well, maybe in the us too. Yeah, I thought it's just mannerism, is it?

Speaker 2:

I didn't know about it. Okay, it says uh, placing two knives, so their blades or handles form an x shape, on a table cutting board or plate oh, okay so in general, yeah, but it says it's usually accidental, like like during meal prep or sitting at the table.

Speaker 2:

But some people avoid it intentionally to ward off bad vibes. I'm very sure I've done it and it seems like it's not just Germany, it's Germany and Central Europe Seeing a sign of coming conflict or quarrels, people will quickly uncross if they notice Sitting at the corner of a table. Okay, I've never heard of this either. Married women who do this or believe not to marry for seven years. Man, seven years must be the thing, wow.

Speaker 3:

That is so long. I wonder if the idea came from sitting on the end not being able to have a lot of communication with people, A conversation with others yeah. Yeah, because you're not sitting next to anyone. Yeah, because you're kind of excluded yeah. Thanks for joining us today. Don't forget to review Sister Vibes and make sure to subscribe on the app of your choice so you don't miss our upcoming episodes.

Speaker 1:

Until next time, Ja ne, I should have seen through it Right from the start, but I chose to give it all away. And now I'm sitting here, broken hearted, want to come and give me a break, cause I've been waiting for so long For someone to rescue me.

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