30. The Myers-Briggs Personality Test: What It Really Says About Us

Three sisters sit down to take the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) —and then take it a step further by guessing each other’s types out loud before revealing the results. As we land on INFP (the youngest), ENFP (the middle child ), and INTJ (the eldest), we explore what the letters really mean, from introvert vs. extrovert to thinking vs. feeling, sensing vs. intuition, judging vs. perceiving and see if there are surprises we did not expect. The conversation goes beyond labels into real-life stories about family dynamics, conflict, and protecting ones energy, while also exploring how personality tests are used across cultures and how our perspectives shift with age.

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Transcript

Opening Song And Setup

SPEAKER_01 0:00

I gotta get you out of my system. I gotta get you off of my mind. But how do I move on when no one complains? They only keep me occupied. I gotta break these chains and find me. I try to shake them up so dead, really. Would you pull them tighter?

SPEAKER_04 0:27

Welcome to another episode of Sister Vibes. Today we will discuss personality traits. Three of us took personality test called MBTI test. I think this is pretty wide known. Have you guys taken it before? No, I have not. I have. I've taken it three, four years ago. Okay. Sweet. Is it popular in Japan? Is that why you took it? It used to be.

SPEAKER_02 0:52

It's not that popular anymore because you know they're coming up with new tests. But yeah, it used to be like really popular a couple years back. And whenever you meet someone new, they'll be like, oh, which type are you? Which MVTI type are you?

SPEAKER_04 1:07

Oh, interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:08

So yeah. So I got tired of not being able to answer it.

SPEAKER_04 1:12

So I finally took it. Yeah, I see. So was everything in Japanese when you took it? Mm-hmm. I'm sure it's the same. I mean, we took it in English, all of us again, or you again, and I also have taken it a few years ago. And I can't remember why. Maybe it was just curiosity. Somehow I heard about it and then I took it. But Tomo, you say that you've never taken it.

SPEAKER_05 1:33

I don't think I have. I feel like you had me take it maybe once a long time just to see, but I don't think so. I don't remember. Okay, who but I kind of remember you talking about it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I feel like maybe I have.

SPEAKER_04 1:46

So there are several different personality tests out there. I'm sure different countries have specific tests too, but this MBTI basically divides personality types in 16. So it includes four letters, which are E or I, extroversion versus introversion. That's where you get your energy, whether you're extroverted or introverted. Sensing versus intuition, sensing S, intuition N, how you process information, thinking T versus feeling F, how you make decisions. And then judging J versus perceiving P, how you approach structure and planning. So based on these letters, it gets combined in J and P? J is judging.

SPEAKER_05 2:34

P is what?

Personality Tests In Work And Japan

SPEAKER_04 2:35

Perceiving, how you approach structure and planning. Okay. And then based on your questions that you go through and how you answer them, it gives you at the very end four-letter type. So each of us took this like 10-minute test. And uh maybe first we can guess. But before that, I have taken a Youngram test. Basically, it gives you like nine different personality types. The combination you get like top five or something like that. And then it determines like what your strengths are. And I had to take it for work when I was going into the career review. And they used that to talk about what my strengths are and how I can integrate myself into projects or in the team. And I thought that was cool. And at the end, they gave me a book that went in depth about what it means to have these traits, I guess, your strengths.

SPEAKER_05 3:29

And how you can contribute.

SPEAKER_04 3:31

Right. On the project basis.

SPEAKER_05 3:33

Interesting.

SPEAKER_04 3:33

I thought it was really interesting. I mean, it was interesting for me to find out, but it was also interesting to have the conversation with that. And Sumi, I think you also said that you had to take a test too, as well, in Japan.

SPEAKER_02 3:44

Yes. They made me take a test when I was I wanted to get a job as an English teacher at an international school. Yeah. And they made us take this test. I don't know what it was called. I think there were like six of us. And out of the six of us, they chose me as the principal of the school who I I have no experience in.

SPEAKER_04 4:06

Yeah. Based off that test, which is crazy. And this was a personality test? I think it was, yeah. A personality.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

Yeah, but I think it was more like work-focused. Interesting.

SPEAKER_05 4:17

Well, I don't see you as a leadership person.

SPEAKER_02 4:20

I know. I don't either. I don't think I well, I think because none of us were experienced.

SPEAKER_04 4:25

I don't know. Okay. Maybe you spoke well. Are you sure it wasn't the English test you took? It was not an English test. Okay. I'm just saying. And I think Sumi, you also told me something Japanese people like to exchange these types of information when you're out and about.

SPEAKER_02 4:40

When you meet new people, just to start conversation, they would be like, oh, which MBTI type are you? Or which blood type are you?

SPEAKER_05 4:47

Wait, so that's what? Wait, that's very common in Japan for people to take these tests just for the heck of it.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

Yeah. Well, not just the for the heck of it, but like apparently it's pretty correct in terms of the results that you get.

SPEAKER_05 5:00

Yeah. But like if you meet a random person, you just open up a conversation.

SPEAKER_04 5:04

Not just like a random person, but like so it must be kind of more common there then. It is. It's like really common. Like I feel like a lot most people know which MBTI type they are. Okay. Yeah, because in Japan, like there are myths based on the blood types you have. Yeah. You know, people say certain things.

SPEAKER_02 5:23

But they ban that. Like they can't ask that anymore. Blood type? Yeah. Because when you go for a work interview, there is a place where you put in your blood type.

SPEAKER_04 5:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

And apparently some companies, sorry for the blood be type people, but they will not take you in if you were like blood bee. Because apparently you don't work well in groups. What? Yeah, that's silly. It's not right. So they got rid of it. Like, so there's no place to fill in.

Guessing Sunny And INFP Reveal

SPEAKER_04 5:47

Yeah. That's like discriminating somebody based on it. Yeah. Interesting. But that's just how huge it is. Well, it was in Japan. Yeah. Okay. I figured it would be fun to guess each other's. Let's start with Sunny the one, shall we? Do you think she is extroverted or introverted? So extroverted person obviously is outgoing, talkative, social, action-oriented, introversion, uh, is thoughtful, reserved, reflective, inward-focused.

SPEAKER_05 6:18

I think that she's in between, but maybe more leaning towards introvert.

SPEAKER_04 6:23

I think so, also. Okay, let's so let's choose I for that. Um, sensing versus intuition, s or n, how you process information. So for sensing, practical, detail-oriented, realistic, concrete. For intuition, imaginative, abstract, future-oriented, pattern-focused. I think she's S. What do you think? More focused on data, facts, and present realities.

SPEAKER_05 6:52

Intuition, I feel.

SPEAKER_04 6:53

Intuition is a focus on possibilities, big picture, underlying meanings.

SPEAKER_05 7:00

You're nervous? Yeah. This is making me nervous. I feel like intuition. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 7:07

Okay, let's split here. I think she's sensing. Okay. And you're saying it. Intuition? Okay. Next one: thinking versus feeling. How you make decisions. So person who has thinking, the traits are logical, analytical, objective, fair. And for feeling, which is F empathetic, compassionate, value driven. So, like for thinkers, decisions based on logic, rules, and objective criteria, or decisions based on values, impact on people and harmony. I don't know. Typical behavior. Um, so for the thinking, it's value efficiency, challenge ideas without personal offense, focus on results.

SPEAKER_05 7:54

Maybe feeling.

SPEAKER_04 7:54

And for feeling, consider others' feelings, value cooperation, aim for consensus. I thought so too. I think you might be F more so than T. And then last, judging versus perceiving, how you approach life and planning. Judging is key traits are organized, structured, decisive, planned, perceiving, flexible, adaptable, spontaneous, curious. Approach to life for judging is prefer closure, schedules, predictability, and then for perceiving, prefer options.

SPEAKER_05 8:31

Perceiving.

SPEAKER_04 8:32

Yeah, I think so as well. So, okay, so we said possibly it's either ISFP or INFP. So yeah, which one am I supposed to say? Something? Yeah. Which one? Are we right or are we wrong? One of you is right. Oh, we know scary.

SPEAKER_05 8:52

Scary. I'm getting exposed. I don't wait. I don't see INF. Oh, yeah, I do, I do, I do. Okay, so the definition of you said ISFP or INFP. Yeah. ISFP would be the composer, gentle, artistic, spontaneous, sensitive.

SPEAKER_06 9:08

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_05 9:09

I N F P is mediator, idealistic, empathetic, creative, and loyal. Uh-huh. I think maybe the mediator. I think so.

SPEAKER_04 9:19

INFP, Samiya. Yes.

unknown 9:23

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 9:24

Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. This is scary. Don't die. I feel exposed. I feel exposed. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 9:32

Well, I mean, we should probably know each other anyhow, is what I'm thinking. Well, that's impressive. Out of 16, we chose one. Oh my gosh. So do you want to read a little bit of description?

SPEAKER_02 9:45

Yes. The overview of INFP, known as the Mediator, is one of the most poetic and idealistic personality types, comprising 4% of the population. They are idealists at the core of their souls, wandering between reality and dreams with infinite longing for a better world. INFPs possess an extremely rich inner world. Their imagination, creativity, and emotional sensitivity make them genius artists, writers, and poets. They don't just feel the world, they interpret and reinterpret it in unique ways, giving profound meaning to ordinary things. They have firm personal values and will give their all for what they believe in. INFPs crave authenticity and cannot tolerate hypocrisy and superficiality. They have deep empathy for others and particularly care about social justice and marginalized groups. INFP's challenge is transforming ideals into action. Their inner world is so rich that they sometimes get stuck in their own world, finding it difficult to take practical action. They can also feel disappointed by the gap between ideals and reality, needing to find their own unique way to balance these.

SPEAKER_04 10:48

Do you agree?

SPEAKER_02 10:49

Yes. Interesting. I feel so exposed, but yes.

SPEAKER_05 10:57

That's crazy. We guessed it.

SPEAKER_04 10:59

I know. That was pretty good, I must say.

SPEAKER_05 11:02

Yeah.

Guessing Tomo And ENFP Strengths

SPEAKER_04 11:03

Well, okay. So should we guess twummies? Yes. I think it's kind of easy.

SPEAKER_05 11:08

I don't think you guys will guess it.

SPEAKER_04 11:10

You don't think so? Were you surprised with the result?

SPEAKER_05 11:13

No, but like I said, the the answers, a lot of them were not one or the other for me. So I chose what I thought maybe this way a little more.

SPEAKER_04 11:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know?

SPEAKER_02 11:24

Yeah, but that's how I chose it too.

SPEAKER_04 11:26

Yeah. Well, we can look at the percentages too, because it gives you a percentage of which you're leaning more towards. So, I mean, I felt the same way too. So, is Tawome an extrovert or an introvert? Extrovert. Totally extrovert. We don't even need to read that. Okay. Sensing versus intuition. How you process information. Typical behavior for sensing is trust experience, notice details, prefer step-by-step learning. And for intuition, think conceptually. Enjoy brainstorming. See patterns others miss.

SPEAKER_02 12:05

This is kind of hard, but I feel like it's she's more.

SPEAKER_04 12:09

Yeah, I think so. Yeah. So we s it's ES so far. Okay, so how she makes decisions. Thinking versus feeling. Thinking is logical, analytical, objective, fair. Value, efficiency, challenge, ideas without personal offense, focus on results. Feeling, empathetic, compassionate, value driven. Consider others' feelings, value, cooperation, aim for consensus. I feel like this is in between, but maybe more towards thinking. Yeah, that's what I thought too. Okay, so we have EST so far. Do you feel exposed to what me?

SPEAKER_05 12:48

No.

SPEAKER_04 12:49

Okay. Judging versus perceiving. How you approach life and planning. Okay, so judging key traits or organized, structured, decisive, planned. Make plans, stick to deadlines, like routines or perceiving. Flexible, adaptable, spontaneous, curious. Go with the flow. Keep options open. Perceiving. Enjoy improvising. Yeah, I feel like the extroversion and perceiving, this is solid, right? Probably.

SPEAKER_05 13:14

Yes, that's correct. Those two are correct. Yeah. Oh. And that's where it was the highest too in percentage. Like 78% extrovert. Yeah. 89% perceiving.

SPEAKER_04 13:27

Okay. Okay. So sensing versus intuition.

SPEAKER_05 13:31

They were like closer.

SPEAKER_04 13:32

Okay. So what yeah, we said sensing. We said sensing. And then we said thinking versus feeling. I said thinking a little bit more, but maybe it's feeling.

SPEAKER_05 13:41

So ENFP. ENFP. The campaigner. Enthusiastic, creative, empathetic, flexible, I guess. So the personality description says ENFP, known as a campaigner, is one of the most energetic and infectious personality types, comprising 7% of the population. They are rainbows of life, bringing enthusiasm, creativity, and warmth to every corner. ENFPs have boundless curiosity and love for possibilities, finding the meaning of life and connections between people and ideas. They naturally see the unique potential in every person and everything and inspire and encourage with genuine enthusiasm. They are among the most open and inclusive types, accepting all kinds of people and perspectives. ENFPs thrive in social settings. Oh, it cut off. Okay. Strengths are highly infectious, boundless creativity, open and accepting, excellent communication, genuine enthusiasm, highly adaptable. Understanding people brings joy. Areas to watch are easily distracted, difficulty focusing, emotional, avoids conflict, overly idealistic, and poor planning. It's pretty true. It's pretty true. Because when it was asking about when you're done with a task, something about, I forget what the question was, something about when you were done with a task. I just remember thinking, oh yeah, when I'm done with one task, I start thinking about so many other things. I actually can't complete one task at a time. I feel like when I'm doing something, I start to think about something else. And I get really excited about that.

SPEAKER_04 15:16

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_05 15:16

And so then I start that too. Uh-huh. And then I start this too. And I do that with everything. Like even cleaning. When I start to clean, I'm like, oh wait, I forgot I have to clean that too. And then I'll start doing that because I'll get bored with this one. So you stop that and you move on to the other one? Yeah. And then I come back. Like I have to kind of do it all at once. I think. Interesting. Even when I'm designing, when I start a new design, I start to think about another design that I get really excited about. Sometimes I don't finish the one I'm working on and I start the next one. That happens all the time.

SPEAKER_04 15:53

This pretty much suits you.

SPEAKER_05 15:55

Yeah. This is pretty much me for sure.

Sumi’s Type And INTJ Debate

SPEAKER_04 15:58

And Simi, I think yours too, pretty much. Okay. Guess mine. Okay. I. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_05 16:06

Right, Simi. Sumi, right? Don't you think introvert? I. I mean, she's not, you're not an introvert, but I don't think you're an extrovert either. But I feel again, I feel like you guys are both in between, but I feel like you lean more towards introvert than extrovert.

SPEAKER_02 16:23

I thought it was more towards extrovert, but again, in between.

SPEAKER_05 16:27

Right. I think you guys are both in between. I don't think you guys are like one way or the other, but I think she leans more towards introvert because she's okay living by herself. And so were you. I was never okay living by myself. I've never lived by myself, and I never, ever, ever would want to. Oh my gosh. I love living by myself. Oh my gosh. No. No. No, I would hate that. Hate what? Living by myself. Okay. I that's never happened before. And I would never do that. I would never. And if Matt dies and the kids are old, that's when I keep telling him I'll buy pets. That's when I'll have pets, probably. But hopefully ones that can talk.

SPEAKER_04 17:10

But um I think she's you need a company that talks back at you.

SPEAKER_05 17:15

AI. Um, I think she is a little more towards introvert, even though she does like hanging out with friends.

SPEAKER_02 17:23

Yeah, okay. Let's go with I.

SPEAKER_05 17:25

Yeah, I. And then sensing or intuition. I forget what it is again. Can you read that again?

SPEAKER_04 17:32

Yeah, sensing is practical, detail-oriented, realistic, concrete. Yes. So focuses on facts, data, present realities, trust, experience, notice, details, prefer step-by-step learning. Intuition, imaginative, abstract, feature-oriented, pattern focused, focus on possibilities, big picture, underlying meanings, think conceptually, enjoy brainstorming, see patterns. Others miss.

SPEAKER_05 17:58

Okay, S. S. And then T and then J. It's an issue, right? Well, thinking versus feeling. Oh my gosh, yes. And then oh yes, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_04 18:12

Yeah. So what is it?

SPEAKER_02 18:14

I S T J.

SPEAKER_04 18:17

Very close.

SPEAKER_02 18:18

Is it ESTJ?

SPEAKER_04 18:20

No. Oh wait. What? Social. Are you sure? I am very sure. So wait.

SPEAKER_05 18:28

We both disagree with your personality test. You didn't do it right. Wait, where are we wrong?

SPEAKER_04 18:37

Sensing, thinking, judging. So extroversion, introversion, that's accurate. So I'm 56% introverted, then extroverted. So it is kind of close. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The next one is intuition, it's 78%. No. Why?

unknown 18:54

Really?

SPEAKER_04 18:55

Versus sensing. Yeah. So like I do a lot of things based on my intuition, like my gut, basically. Like there wasn't one area where it was like, um, do you thoroughly read the instructions on some manual or something? And I don't.

SPEAKER_05 19:10

Yes, you do. I don't compare to me. You read so much more in detail.

SPEAKER_04 19:17

And I'm like, but at some point, I just go, whatever, I'll just figure it out. So I don't always sit there or planning things. I have to first have a big picture, then the details fall.

SPEAKER_03 19:29

Work out the detail.

SPEAKER_04 19:30

Yeah. Anyway, that's 78% intuition. What? Yes. That's pretty funny.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

If you take the one with the a lot more questions, then it'll be a different outcome.

SPEAKER_04 19:41

Because this was like a simplified version.

SPEAKER_05 19:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I had a hard time a little bit with some questions.

SPEAKER_04 19:46

And then thinking, you're right, and judging, correct? That's 78%.

SPEAKER_05 19:51

I I T J. So what is that personality overall?

SPEAKER_04 19:55

The architect strategist. So the personality description, INTJ, known as the architect, is one of the rarest and most strategically minded types among the 16 personality types, compromising only 2% of the population. INTJs possess sharp insight and indomitable willpower, freely roaming the palace of ideas and transforming complex concepts into clear action plans. They're not merely dreamers, they're achievers. INTJs have the rare ability to see both the macro strategy and micro details simultaneously, moving effortlessly between the two. Their obsession with efficiency borders on perfectionism with a natural impatience for mediocrity. The strengths are strategic thinking, highly disciplined, independent, decisive, knowledgeable, efficient execution, visionary, complex problem solving, areas to watch, overly perfectionistic, can appear arrogant, difficulty expressing emotions, poor at small task, sensitive to criticism, maybe too closed off. So that's my style. I agree.

SPEAKER_05 21:00

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I mean, the overall it sounds right.

SPEAKER_04 21:04

Yeah. Socially, INTJs tend to maintain small but deep social circles. They don't need extensive social validation, but their thirst for knowledge makes them flourish in intellectual conversations. They may take time to build trust, but once you've earned an INTJ's trust, you'll have an extremely loyal and reliable friend or partner.

SPEAKER_05 21:23

Yeah. Okay. Well, that sounds right. Yeah. I mean, when you read the description. Yeah. But you know what's funny to me is like when you were, for example, talking about like reading instructions and all that. To me, I chose I read instructions versus the other, the choice, whatever that was. Although I do both, right? But like I think that when it comes to kids stuff, I read like everything thoroughly. Or if it's a new like technology thing, then I will read thoroughly. But I think even then you read more thoroughly than I do. Well, maybe that's just like

SPEAKER_04 22:00

Perception. A lot of times I just have a gut feeling that's what I follow usually, more so than anything. Which can be dangerous sometimes, but to me, it makes sense. Because I do a lot of things based on intuition. A lot of times. Even if I did research, I think usually I end up following my gut more so.

SPEAKER_02 22:22

Can I say something? Yes. You know, when you scroll down, there is this recommended careers.

SPEAKER_04 22:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:28

In mine, it says writer, poet, counselor, artist, musician, social worker, graphic designer, teacher, translator.

SPEAKER_04 22:37

Wow, you are a translator.

SPEAKER_02 22:39

I know. That's it.

SPEAKER_04 22:41

Mine says strategic consultant, software engineer, scientist, judge, financial analysis, university professor, architect, physician, CEO. Well, I mean architect. I wasn't into your design, so I guess that's kind of sort of in that field.

SPEAKER_05 22:57

Mine is creative director, actor, counselor, journalist, marketing, teacher, host, or emcee, and social activist.

SPEAKER_04 23:05

Mm-hmm. Well, you did do teaching, right? A little bit.

SPEAKER_05 23:08

Yeah, and creative director, I guess. I could see myself.

SPEAKER_02 23:13

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 23:13

Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 23:14

So did you guys have the best match or challenging pairs with each other or no?

SPEAKER_05 23:19

What what is Cody again? What are you?

SPEAKER_02 23:21

I I T J.

SPEAKER_05 23:23

I'm pretty sure she's my challenging pair. I-N-T-J. I-N-T-J.

SPEAKER_04 23:28

I-N-T-J? Well, I thought it was. Are you sure? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Hang on for a second. I I T J, right? No, I-N T J.

SPEAKER_05 23:38

Okay, apparently you're a best match for me. That's so weird. I swear, I think that you took this wrong, Cody. I think you are a bit of a challenging character.

SPEAKER_04 23:50

Well, it's probably because we're the opposite. The complete opposite. Is it opposite? I don't know. I'm an introvert. You're an extrovert. I'm N. What are you again? Uh N. Okay. And then I'm F thinking P. And then judging. Yeah. So mostly we're opposite. Some of you want that thought. Yours is intuition, introversion. Introverted. Yeah. Intuition. Yeah. Feeling and judging, right?

SPEAKER_02 24:21

Feeling and perceiving.

SPEAKER_04 24:22

Oh, perceiving. Okay. I N F P.

SPEAKER_05 24:26

Apparently I'm not like challenging pair or best matches with someone that's with a P. Because everything ends in J for me. Best matches and challenging pairs.

SPEAKER_02 24:40

Oh, yeah. Now that I look at it, all my best matches and challenging pairs end with J.

SPEAKER_04 24:44

Really? That's interesting. Mine's actually mixed. So best matches are E N F P. Was that yours to me?

SPEAKER_05 24:52

I think so. That's the first one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:55

E-N-T-P-I-N-F-J. You should have um your husband and your son take it. Like I think she has had them take it.

SPEAKER_02 25:04

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:05

Have they taken it? Uh maybe. I don't remember.

SPEAKER_05 25:09

I think that Lucas may not be able to complete the test because he's gonna be like analyzing every single one. Like he's gonna be like, but this is not only like what kind of circumstance is this, you know? Like, is this on a rainy day?

SPEAKER_04 25:24

Well, you know what? We have taken a test to determine whether or not you're an extroverted or introverted. It gave percentage, and three of us have done it. So I was kind of hovering in the middle, yeah. And then Kristoff was more towards introverted, but Lucas was a hundred percent introverted. It's like very much so, yeah. So that test we have taken, but this one, no, we haven't.

SPEAKER_05 25:47

You know what's funny to me is like definitely I feel like when I think about my kids, you know, the older one, Keiko, is so much like me, and I think her test results would be very similar to mine. Yeah, and then Matt and Emiko, they will be very similar in their test results. She's gotta be the best matches for me, though, Emiko.

SPEAKER_04 26:06

So, Simi, you think your husband's more like yourself? No, complete the opposite, he's more extrovert for sure.

SPEAKER_05 26:13

Yeah, and then I don't know about the rest for him.

SPEAKER_04 26:15

So, has he taken the test? I know you said that in Japan it's pretty big. Okay, he hasn't taken it. No, I don't think so. I don't think he has the time, so then patience to take yeah, but this one that was pretty quick. It was like two. Yeah, it was pretty quick. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there are so many other ones too. It'll be interesting to see how it matches up. So me, when did you say you took this? Like three, four years ago, and it's still the same. I wonder it would have been the same during or younger years versus now. I feel like it's definitely different.

SPEAKER_05 26:46

I think it's different for me for sure.

SPEAKER_04 26:48

Yeah, because I feel like it's different for me too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 26:51

But you ended up with the same results.

SPEAKER_03 26:53

Well, I mean, if it was like when I used to live in the world. Oh, younger, much younger. Yeah, like much younger.

SPEAKER_05 26:58

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:59

Yeah, I feel like it would have been different.

How Culture, Age, And Conflict Shape Us

SPEAKER_05 27:00

Yeah, for sure. I think so too. I feel like I've definitely become this way because of where I live too. Uh-huh. You know, yeah. You mean Florida or US? The US, I think. Yeah, in general.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

I read somewhere. I could be wrong, but I feel like in Japan, the number one MBTI type in Japan is what I have, what I got. Really? Oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 27:23

Um, I N F B the mediator.

SPEAKER_03 27:25

Really?

SPEAKER_04 27:25

Oh, yeah, I can totally see that. No conflicts, no war, no, no arguing, or like just to maintain like harmony. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Interesting. Yeah. So maybe it depends where you grew up and where you are. Yeah, for sure. It depends. I mean, Tomo, I think you were very introverted before. I don't remember you being extroverted.

SPEAKER_05 27:46

I think I was either shy or I was a crybaby for sure. I don't know if I was shy. Well, okay, when I look think back to our home video where like I was always out of the frame because I was dancing.

SPEAKER_04 27:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:59

Like, then it makes me think, oh, maybe I always had it in me.

SPEAKER_04 28:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:03

But like it didn't come out until I came to the you know, I don't know. I'm not sure, but because you don't know how you see yourself until you actually see it from the outside view. Yeah, that's true. So when I remember when I like when I was older and saw that video, I thought, oh my gosh, why am I not still? And I remember Otto kept saying, like, you're out of the frame. You're out of the frame. Like when the three of us were like dancing in front of the camera. But so my kids asked Otto San, I guess, what was mama like when she was little. And I guess he told them she was always silly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't think that's changed. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:43

I've become more introverted. Yeah, me too. Since moving to Germany? Or since I aged. I think I was more extroverted before.

SPEAKER_02 28:53

I feel like moving to Japan made me more introverted.

SPEAKER_05 28:56

Yeah, I would think that would make a huge difference. Moving to Japan.

SPEAKER_04 29:00

But then it's interesting that the Japanese people, most of them, have what you have. So that means that you're pretty much blended in well. Yep. I don't think you ever liked conflict anyhow. I didn't. I never did. I don't think that's changed. Well, I've talked about this before, but you guys would always fight, and I will watch you guys fight, and I will like, I don't want to be like that. It's kind of funny that we're all so different. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:24

Yeah. And another example is remember how I said, like, when we were little, we were home alone, and Ocasa put Kaudi in charge, and Kaudi made this schedule for us.

SPEAKER_04 29:34

Like at 12 o'clock, we eat lunch, at three, we eat um snacks, and this is what we're gonna have. I don't remember that, honestly. I don't either. I remember so clearly, I remember so much. But that's something I would do, is what I was thinking of.

SPEAKER_02 29:48

You made it, and Tommy was like, I'm not gonna do this. This is stupid, like you're not the boss of me, kind of thing. And I didn't want to do it either, but I was like, Oh, I I felt bad for Kaudi because she you know, she took the time to make this schedule and she seems so excited, so I was like, I'll do it.

SPEAKER_04 30:01

So I followed, even though I didn't want to, I don't remember that.

SPEAKER_05 30:06

That's so funny. I feel like honestly, as I get older, I don't like conflict either, or like I don't want to spend the energy being negative anymore. Yeah, so like I'll have emotions, like I'll get pissed, yeah, but then I want to just get over it. Like I just want to move on. Okay, what's next? You know, because any type of negative energy, I don't want it to linger anymore. Yeah, so I think as I get older, I don't already have time. I feel I don't want to spend time being negative or being like gloomy.

Complaining, Parent Groups, And Closing

SPEAKER_04 30:41

You know, it's interesting. After I moved here, I realized that maybe because you know, I was involved in the parent teacher organization at school, elementary school, so many parents. I don't know if it's cultural, but it was in an international school, so I maybe it's just that's how people are. There were so many complaints. And I don't know, assume you said that you were principal at the international school at one point, but parents just complain about the smallest thing, and I thought I can't to be more conscious about not complaining so much because the complaining can do so much, you know. It's a waste of energy, and it's like my child doesn't eat salad, my child doesn't eat this vegetable. And I was like, well then why doesn't she just not eat that? The point was let's change cater because my child doesn't like the food that they provide. Cater to my child's needs, yeah, or cater to my needs of what my child should be eating, or something like this. There were so many complaints, and I thought, why are you complaining so much then? And why don't you just pack your kids' lunch? That's not even an option. And I'm like, okay.

SPEAKER_05 31:46

That's you know, that just reminded me yesterday I got a call, and especially after taking this uh test, it's kind of interesting. I got a call from one of the moms that's in charge of Kickless like color guard team. She contacted me yesterday and she was like, Hey, are you by chance interested in taking over my position? Because next year my daughter won't be in it. And I just and I'm new this year. She's new, she's a freshman in high school. So she was like, I just thought you would be great at communicating because you seem like you like to communicate.

SPEAKER_04 32:19

You talk a lot, basically.

SPEAKER_05 32:21

I don't know, that's what she was saying, but she didn't even know my name. So it was funny that like she was like, Wait, how do you say your name? Is it Tomoney? Did I say it right? And I was like, You can call me Mo. And she was like, Oh, okay, Mo, that's easier. So it was funny that she didn't even know my name, uh-huh, but she was like contacting me and she's like, You seem like a great communicator. I I'm the same. Like, I said, Okay, yeah, sure, I can try it out, but I'm thinking, like, if there's gonna be drama, I don't want it, you know. Like, maybe I'll try it out a year. And if it's like too much drama, too many parents complaining about things, then I don't I don't want to do it. Did you get that impression, Sumi?

SPEAKER_04 32:59

Did a lot of parents complain?

SPEAKER_02 33:01

Well, I didn't work there that long to kind of feel that.

SPEAKER_04 33:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:06

Cause I was like, I don't want to be the principal.

SPEAKER_05 33:08

But I think that in Japan, parents don't complain as much as that's just my assumption. I don't feel that they would complain as much.

SPEAKER_02 33:17

Yeah, uh yeah, I'm sure that is correct. I feel like in the US, I'm sorry, but people complain about the stupidest things.

SPEAKER_04 33:24

Yeah, same here, same here. Lots of complaining. I thought, what was it always like this? Am I just seeing this now because I'm surrounded by a lot of people that complain a lot, or is this a cultural thing? I don't know. I realized that I noticed that when I moved here.

SPEAKER_05 33:40

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SPEAKER_01 33:48

Until next time, John with yourself in all of these games you play. I should have seen through it right from the start, but I chose to give it all away.

SPEAKER_00 34:03

Now I'm sitting on giveaways, come and give me a praise.