EP 7 Traore, U.S. Afrikaners and The Cradock Four I African News Review 🌍

In this episode, Adesoji Iginla and Milton Allimadi discuss the rise of Captain Ibrahim Traore in Burkina Faso, exploring his pan-Africanist leadership and the significant global support he has garnered. They delve into Burkina Faso's economic policies, emphasising the importance of national ownership of resources and the impact of social media on political movements. 

The conversation also critiques Western media narratives and reactions to Traore's regime, as well as Trump's controversial refugee policy for South African Afrikaners. The talk explores the legacies of apartheid in South Africa, the global support for African leadership, and the economic policies that are shaping the continent's future. 

It discusses the challenges of employment equity and social transformation, the narratives presented by Western media, and the implications of granting refugee status to Afrikaners in the US.

Finally, they address the ongoing struggle for justice for victims of apartheid in South Africa, highlighting the challenges posed by a neocolonial government.



Takeaways

*The legacies of apartheid continue to impact South Africa's socio-economic landscape.
*Global support for African leaders is crucial in challenging neocolonialism.
*Economic policies must prioritise income redistribution to uplift marginalised communities.
*Employment equity laws are contentious but necessary for social transformation.
*Western media narratives often misrepresent African realities and struggles.
*The refugee status granted to Afrikaners raises questions about historical injustices.
*Justice for apartheid victims remains elusive, highlighting systemic failures.
*Neocolonial governance in South Africa hinders progress and accountability.
*The urgency of addressing historical injustices is paramount for future unity.
*African nations must collaborate to combat imperialism and foster economic independence.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Overview of Burkina Faso's Leadership
02:36 The Rise of Captain Traore and Pan-Africanism
05:19 Economic Policies and Resource Management in Burkina Faso
08:11 Media Representation and Global Support for Traore
11:04 The Impact of Social Media on Political Movements
13:39 Western Reactions to Burkina Faso's Shift in Alliances
16:53 Economic Developments and International Relations
19:42 Critique of Western Media and Financial Institutions
22:15 Trump's Controversial Refugee Policy for South African Afrikaners
25:08 Historical Context of Apartheid and Current Justice Efforts
36:26 Legacies of Apartheid in South Africa
38:58 Economic Disparities and Political Accountability
41:57 Reconciliation and Justice in Post-Apartheid South Africa
44:56 Employment Equity and Social Transformation
47:37 European Privilege and Economic Control
50:27 Media Narratives and Accountability
53:30 Concluding Thoughts and Future Perspectives

Transcript

Adesoji Iginla (00:00.37)
one and yes greetings greetings greetings and welcome to another episode of African News Review sorry for the slight delay it was a technical hitch here in the royal capital of London so how are you sir you know excellent

Milton Allimadi (00:25.038)
Excellent, excellent. Good to see you, comrade.

Adesoji Iginla (00:27.37)
Yes, yes. Again, I'm your host, Adesuji Iginla. And with me as usual is the comrade, comrade Milton Alimadi, host of W at Blackstone News, WBAR, author of the book, Manufacturing Hate, Get a Copy While You Can. And most importantly, how are you, sir? How are you again? How are you?

Milton Allimadi (00:53.037)
Excellent. Always happy to wake up every day.

Adesoji Iginla (00:55.83)
Yes, every day is a blessing. And we welcome our guests, those who are joining us for the first time and those who is now part of a staple for them. Do like, share, subscribe, hit the like button as we would say. And without further ado, let's go for the first story, which comes from the BBC. And it's about

the captain, the good captain as they will say, Captain Traore. And it reads, why Burkina Faso's junta leader has captured hearts and minds around the world. And there he is. And the lead goes, a charismatic 37-year-old Burkina Faso military captain, ruler Captain Ibrahim Traore.

has skillfully built a persona of Pan-African leader determined to free his nation from what is regarded as the clutches of Western imperialism and neocolonialism. Your initial take from that lead alone from the BBC, what would you attribute that kind of headline to?

Milton Allimadi (02:17.289)
Well, I attribute it to the facts on the ground, to the mass popular support that this leader has been able to inspire globally, has demonstrated in the protest, digitally and in person. So, you know, even the notorious BBC cannot evade the facts.

Adesoji Iginla (02:23.597)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (02:29.42)
Ghana. Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (02:40.94)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (02:47.125)
You see, and obviously.

this is something which is not new. Thomas Sankara, excuse me, I'm writing on coal, inspired the same type of support. But Thomas Sankara, just as Patrice Lumumba before him in Congo, who also inspired the same type of support because they were challenging imperialism.

Adesoji Iginla (02:55.255)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (03:06.211)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (03:19.31)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (03:21.596)
those two earlier ones did not have the benefit of social media.

Adesoji Iginla (03:25.844)
Mm. Mm. Mm. And it's that.

Milton Allimadi (03:28.838)
They operated in the days.

Milton Allimadi (03:48.243)
BBC, CNN, Washington Post, and Young Times, they dominated media. And if we were still operating in that era,

Milton Allimadi (04:01.407)
I it would not be getting this kind of right now. You see?

Adesoji Iginla (04:04.278)
Okay. Okay. So I'll dig a little deeper. And so it goes on. It says his message has resonated across Africa and beyond. And we admire seeing him as following the footsteps of African heroes like Burkina Faso's very own Thomas Sankara, a Marxist revolutionary who is sometimes referred to as Africa's Sheikh Guevara. And it goes on.

His message reflects the age we are living in when many Africans are questioning the relationship with the West and there is so much poverty in such a rich continent. After seizing power in Nuku in 2022, Traore's regime ditched colonial power, France.

in favor of a strong alliance with Russia. And that has included the deployment of a Russian paramilitary big grade and adopted left-wing economic policies. What can you glean from this paragraph alone? Ditched from our colonial powers, now in bed with Russia, has a Russian paramilitary big grade and adopted left-wing economic policies.

Milton Allimadi (05:24.988)
You know, strange as it may sound, it's not actually as hostile as before. And you know what, it's very hard to appear very hostile and negative when you've already acknowledged that somebody is getting so much global support, right? Because now you're left in the situation of, okay, so you're telling us that he's adopting left politics and economics.

Adesoji Iginla (05:30.702)
You

Adesoji Iginla (05:41.614)
you

Adesoji Iginla (05:47.981)
Hmm.

left wing

Milton Allimadi (05:54.202)
At the same time, you're admitting that it's getting global support. So are you telling us that left economics and politics is actually very popular globally? You see what they're working with? You know, think about it. They're in a tight spot.

Adesoji Iginla (05:56.984)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (06:02.976)
Mmm. Mmm. Mmm.

Box the two corner. Okay. I'll continue and it says the rule also applied to, okay, so now what we're going to glean into now is what that economic policy entails. This included setting up a state-owned mining company requiring foreign firms to give its

Milton Allimadi (06:13.318)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (06:39.276)
that is the state, a 15 % stake in local operations and transfer skills to Bokina Bay people. The rule also applied to Russian miner Norgod, who was given a license in late April for its latest investment in Bokina Faso's gold industry. Now, if you don't mind my asking, what is wrong with the state owning a stake?

in its own resources.

Milton Allimadi (07:11.408)
There's absolutely nothing wrong. In fact, he's doing exactly what every African country should have done already and should still do.

Adesoji Iginla (07:20.611)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (07:22.863)
You know, it's very hard for them. It's going to be hard. And you know, that's what's been killing us really. It's been killing us by the fact that in the past, they were the only ones who controlled narrative. You see?

Adesoji Iginla (07:37.612)
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And.

Milton Allimadi (07:41.871)
They dominated media. They told us this is what is good. But now you're telling us that globally people are celebrating a guy who's actually using the country's resources to benefit the country. Where is this world going to end up, you know?

Adesoji Iginla (07:59.179)
You

Milton Allimadi (08:01.435)
In other words, they're exposing themselves, right?

Adesoji Iginla (08:02.612)
I mean, whatever next.

Adesoji Iginla (08:08.782)
Okay, the article goes further. As part of what Traore calls a revolution to ensure Burkina Faso benefits from its mineral wealth, the UNTA is also building a gold refinery and establishing national gold reserves for the first time in the nation's history. I repeat that.

establishing national gold reserves for the first time in the nation's history. However, Western-owned firms appear to be facing a tough time with Australian headquartered Barry Gold Resources launching arbitration proceedings against Burkina Faso in late 2024 following the withdrawal of an exploration license. The Yuntas are gone.

Milton Allimadi (09:03.129)
All right. So, you know, ironically, a mere few months ago, that would be the headline of this story.

Adesoji Iginla (09:13.921)
In fact, it was.

Milton Allimadi (09:14.614)
And that would be the lead of this story.

Adesoji Iginla (09:17.216)
In fact, it was, if you remember the article we dealt with in the Financial Times.

Milton Allimadi (09:20.476)
Absolutely. You see how things don't change so quickly.

Milton Allimadi (09:27.306)
Now this is buried somewhere deep in the story. It's not blaring now. Western firms under attack in Burkina Faso by leftist regime.

Adesoji Iginla (09:30.83)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (09:41.505)
So that headline is now parked somewhere.

Adesoji Iginla (09:43.534)
The keyword, the keyword being packed.

Milton Allimadi (09:46.048)
You know, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not willing to sing praises to the BBC and I'll tell you why.

because that headline, Western firms under attack.

And I'm not saying there is a headline like that already, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's one already written and packed somewhere waiting to be used on the occasion they think it's time to use it. You see? So they go like this. They have no principles. There's no moral compass. Right now, clearly,

Adesoji Iginla (10:13.998)
Mmm. Mmm.

Swinging pendulum, yeah, yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (10:26.926)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (10:30.743)
It is not the time to be going too aggressively against somebody you already acknowledge is getting wild worldwide support. You see, but at the same time, they cannot fully embrace him, of course. So those of us who read the BBC very closely are the ones who are able to analyze and say, compared to previous articles,

Adesoji Iginla (10:42.062)
Choo choo choo.

Adesoji Iginla (10:48.782)
Because to do so...

Milton Allimadi (11:01.182)
They're actually praising him in this article.

Adesoji Iginla (11:04.238)
Okay, then it goes further. It says...

Eric Randley Atkins, a researcher at South Africa's Institute for Security Studies and the BBC said, Traore's radical reforms have increased his popularity in Africa. He is now arguably Africa's most popular, if not favorite president. And then he goes into why. Mr. O'Cheng said, Traore's first caught the attention of African

Africans when he spoke at the Russian African Summit in 2023 telling African leaders to stop behaving like puppets who dance every time the imperialists pull the string. The speech was heavily publicized by Russian media which has become a major player in promoting Traore's pan-Africanist image. Traore attended

commemorations in Russia last week to mark the 80th anniversary of the Soviet victory over Nazi Germany in World War II, he posted on X, him and military leaders from neighboring Mali and Niger were inspired by it to winning its war against terrorism and imperialism at all cost. Thanks to the rhetoric,

pulled by a slick social media campaign. His appeal has spread across the world, including among African-Americans and Black Britons, Ms. Ochenk said. Everyone who has experienced racism, colonialism, and slavery can relate to his message, Ms. Ochenk said, pointing out that.

Adesoji Iginla (12:57.642)
African-Americans rapper McMill had posted about him on X last year saying he much like his energy and heart. And though he was ridiculed for mixing up the names by referring to Traore as Burkina Faso, but later deleted the post. as the here's the pushback. But French, France president is not a fan, describing Traore as part of a baroque

alliance between self-proclaimed Pan-Africans and neo-imperialists. What does it mean by that?

Milton Allimadi (13:37.111)
I have no idea and who cares about what the French president, you know, thinks. But there are a few interesting points that you read.

Adesoji Iginla (13:37.472)
macro.

Adesoji Iginla (13:47.532)
Okay.

Milton Allimadi (13:49.306)
So first of all, I like what Ms. Zoucheng is saying, but she should not be afraid to speak her mind.

Adesoji Iginla (13:50.21)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (13:59.104)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (14:00.911)
So when you say he's the most popular, if not most favorite, what does that mean? What are you saying?

Adesoji Iginla (14:09.281)
if not, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (14:14.509)
How do you define favorite? to whom, you see? Why can you not be both the most popular and the favorite? So I think that was an unnecessary concession to the BBC, right? Is that the price of being quoted and making sure that they call me again in the future? So that was, you know, great.

Adesoji Iginla (14:20.512)
Mmm. Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (14:32.545)
Okay.

Milton Allimadi (14:42.891)
retreats us. was no need for that. Most popular, not favorite. I mean we here, we are here to analyze, right? So that's one of the things I picked up. And then on the part of the BBC, that Russian media is also a main promoter. So what is wrong with that, right? If Russian media is a main promoter of power.

Adesoji Iginla (14:45.304)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (14:49.59)
Yes, very much. OK.

Milton Allimadi (15:10.626)
given the relationship they now have. But they make it appear as if that's something so sinister. you know, unless it's being promoted by the BBC, anything else should be regarded as something sinister. And then, I also like the fact that the article acknowledged something we mentioned from the get-go, the power of media.

Adesoji Iginla (15:22.04)
BBC, yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (15:29.464)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (15:38.669)
media.

Milton Allimadi (15:40.597)
If social media existed, Lumumba never would have been killed. He would have been able to govern. You see? Lumumba, in fact, the news about his murder, I think was not available internationally until several days later. Now things like this we would see in real time, you see? And this is very important in terms of checking

the aggressive and brutal nature of imperialism. And it's reflected in the tone of this BBC article. It's not fully endorsing the guy, but it's not hostile and critical as the many previous articles, because it's acknowledging the fact that there seems to be a lot of global popular support to what Traude is doing in Bukidang Faso.

Adesoji Iginla (16:13.549)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (16:24.92)
me.

Adesoji Iginla (16:36.014)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (16:38.188)
And of course, how do we know that? Not because of the BBC or the New York Times or CNN. We know that because information is now widely disseminated on social media. You see? If they still had the monopoly that they had in the era of Sankara or the era of Patrice Lumumba, we would have no knowledge. First of all, it would be difficult to generate

Adesoji Iginla (16:45.752)
beautiful.

Milton Allimadi (17:08.147)
the type of global outpouring of support, you see?

Adesoji Iginla (17:11.63)
Correct. OK.

Milton Allimadi (17:14.742)
Yeah, so those the points I wanted to make. But the French president is saying something predictable. It's not even interesting. The only interesting, if you're about to acknowledge the reality on the ground that Africa has changed, you cannot impose your imperialism anymore. You threatened Niger after the coup. You said the coup should be reversed in two weeks. You, France, you were speaking through ECOWAS, the Economic Community of West African States. Two years later,

that regime is still in place, that government is in place in Niger. So if Macron cannot take that as the evidence and proof that France is irrelevant, then I don't know any better example that I can give him.

Adesoji Iginla (17:59.63)
Okay, one last part from the article and it goes to a story we dealt with last week. It's here.

Is it?

is to do with...

Adesoji Iginla (18:26.09)
is to do okay yes it's here in a statement okay so to set the tone for it it's about the economy of Burkina Faso in a statement in early April the IMF said despite a challenging humanitarian and security environment the economy was expected to maintain robust to remain robust in 2025

and the regime has made commendable progress in raising domestic revenue, containing the public wage bill and increasing spending on education, health and social protection. As for the World Bank, said inflation has surged from 0.7 % in 2023 to 4.2 in 2024.

But the extreme poverty rate, which refers to people living on less than $2.15 a day, has fallen by almost 2 % to 24 % because of robust growth in the agricultural and service sector. Why is that important? Despite this report, US-based financial institutions' relations with both France and America has been frosty.

A recent example of that was the head of the US African command, General Michael Langley, said Traore was using Burkina Faso's gold reserve for his Yonti's protection rather than the nation's benefit. So who do we believe? The World Bank, the IMF, or the Goudo General?

Milton Allimadi (20:16.102)
while the general has already been widely abused globally, that I don't want to keep any more abuse upon him. I think he has got enough attacks. But what I find very interesting is that the BBC actually has a balanced article on Burkina Faso, you see? For the BBC to go out of its way.

Adesoji Iginla (20:18.432)
You

Adesoji Iginla (20:24.088)
You

Adesoji Iginla (20:34.243)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (20:45.262)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (20:46.117)
who introduced the perspective of the IMF and the World Bank. That is in itself remarkable, you know, because these are the establishment financial organizations that are in fact whose role is to enforce neocolonialism and dependency in Africa. The BBC goes and says, even these guys who are generally hostile.

Adesoji Iginla (21:05.646)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (21:16.081)
who left politics and economics, are giving this guy the thumbs up. And they placed that ahead of General Langley before they introduced what he said. That is very significant for the BBC, for those of us that follow and read the BBC very closely. So this is a very significant concession. Overall, a very positive article about Burkina Faso.

Adesoji Iginla (21:19.118)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (21:29.166)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (21:46.246)
and Traure by the BBC when compared to all previous articles on the same topic and same individual by the BBC. So I have to acknowledge that.

Adesoji Iginla (21:55.758)
Would I be safe to assume now that you can recommend the BBC as a go-to?

Milton Allimadi (22:02.181)
No way. No way. I'm just waiting for them to give me another opportunity to start attacking them. Attacking them on Rwanda again.

Adesoji Iginla (22:07.95)
That's it.

Adesoji Iginla (22:18.702)
Okay, so for the next story we go to, we stay in the UK, we go to the Guardian and this time it's Mr. Trump and it reads, first group of white South Africans arrive in US after Trump grants refugee

status. Trump has stirred controversy by calling Africanas minority descended from Dutch colonists victims of a genocide in inverted commas. And there's a picture. The first group of white South Africans granted refugee status by Donald Trump administration has arrived in the United States.

stirring controversies in South Africa as the US president declared Africans, Africanas victims of a genocide. I don't know. Do you have first thoughts on that alone? That is just.

Milton Allimadi (23:19.061)
No, these are the descendants of Genocidians in South Africa. These are the descendants of Europeans whose hands were dripping with the bloods of Africans when they were buried. Their forefathers and foremothers, their ancestors. Yeah, they were quite brutal killers. They displaced Africans from their land. They killed Africans. They took over their land. And now,

Adesoji Iginla (23:24.075)
okay.

Adesoji Iginla (23:32.365)
Hmm.

Hmm. Okay.

Milton Allimadi (23:48.874)
A fellow European who happens to be governing the United States is trying to whitewash history. But the facts are the facts.

Adesoji Iginla (23:56.974)
Okay, so glad you've cleared that up. So first things first, it says the Afrikaners, this is the Guardian doing, it's putting things into proper context. A minority descended from many Dutch colonies were met at Dulles International Airport, Washington DC by US Deputy Secretary of State, Christopher Laude.

and Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security, Tony H. Edgar, with many giving US flags to wave, propaganda. At the Dallas airport, London told the assembled white South Africans, it is such a honor for us to receive you here today. It makes us happy.

to see you with our flag in your hands." He invoked his family's history, saying, my own father had been in Europe and had to leave his country when Hitler came in. We respect what you've had to deal with for this last few years, he added. We are sending a clear message that the United States would reject the egregious persecution.

Milton Allimadi (25:11.274)
Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (25:15.21)
of people in their hands on the basis of race in South Africa. What?

Milton Allimadi (25:21.344)
So this, what is his name again? The guy who was quoted?

Adesoji Iginla (25:26.929)
Christopher Landon.

Milton Allimadi (25:28.861)
You know, ignorance is not bliss. People that say that disagree. These guys are ignoramus of the highest order. He says his family fled. First of all, in welcoming them in the sense that welcoming fellow Europeans. So that is not surprising, you know, because the Europeans in the United States exterminated the indigenous population, sometimes called Native Americans.

Adesoji Iginla (25:42.633)
Europe.

Adesoji Iginla (25:48.672)
Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (25:54.903)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (25:58.918)
You know? So that in itself is not surprising. But his level of ignorance is just appalling. And that comes when you have this, you know, you pack government just based on race, not qualification. So the people Trump pack in government are packed in government because they're Europeans. Totally ignorant. You know? This is what you call affirmative action.

Adesoji Iginla (26:13.492)
Mm-hmm. Yep. Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (26:25.325)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (26:28.964)
in this case, affirmative action of the highest order.

Adesoji Iginla (26:33.422)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (26:34.481)
Africanos wanted to fight on Hitler's side.

Africanas would have killed your parents, you fool.

Adesoji Iginla (26:41.602)
No, please, would you?

Milton Allimadi (26:49.245)
The Africanas wanted to fight on Hitler's side on World War II.

Adesoji Iginla (26:55.704)
Thank you very much.

Milton Allimadi (26:58.523)
So this Ignatum was saying welcome. I also fled from Europe.

Adesoji Iginla (27:03.31)
You

Milton Allimadi (27:06.365)
So I actually like this. I'm saying bring all of them here so that our sisters and brothers can inherit the land in South Africa.

Adesoji Iginla (27:08.512)
I mean...

Yeah.

Of course. And then he goes on. says, Trump suspended the US settlement program in January, leaving more than 100,000 approved for residences resettlements stranded. Then in February, he signed an executive order directing officials

Milton Allimadi (27:20.444)
you

Adesoji Iginla (27:43.404)
to grant refugee status to Africanas whose leaders ruled during apartheid while violently repressing the black majority. It is genocide.

Milton Allimadi (27:57.368)
Yeah, I mean, the Guardian could do and should do much better than that in future. They did not suppress the black majority. They committed genocide in South Africa. And so just flip it around and tell readers the truth that these are not victims of genocide. These are the descendants of the people that committed genocide against Africans in South Africa. But be that as it may, let's continue.

Adesoji Iginla (28:04.131)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (28:08.054)
genocide.

Adesoji Iginla (28:17.976)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (28:23.082)
Okay, so, and he says, this is Trump now talking. It is a genocide that's taking place, Trump told reporters at White House when asked why South Africans were getting prioritized for resettlement above victims of famine and war elsewhere.

Milton Allimadi (28:42.163)
But the reporter is also incompetent. Why did they not then ask him, Mr. President, how many of these whites have been killed?

Adesoji Iginla (28:52.11)
Mmm. Mmm. Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (28:53.261)
Boom. I wonder what he would have said. I don't have that information. if you don't, then why are you calling it genocide? End of story right there. You see? Sometimes you have these incompetent reporters as well who don't know when to seize opportunity. It's just mind boggling. Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (29:06.03)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (29:16.118)
Hmm. Yes, yes. Okay.

Milton Allimadi (29:19.704)
Nobody has asked him. I hope somebody asked him at some point. How many people have killed? Do you have a figure of the number killed by this genocide and by whom? How long has this genocide, was it comparable? Is it similar to what happened in Rwanda? When 100,000 people were killed over a period of about 100 days, was it similar to that? Is that how it happened, Mr. President?

Adesoji Iginla (29:23.286)
No, I don't think they did. There was no push.

Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (29:46.552)
expose his total ignorance and expose the fact that this is stuff being fed to him by Elon Musk. You can do it by asking questions. That's why you have the privilege of being a journalist and access to a person who is as powerful as this person, the President of the United States. Ask him questions.

Adesoji Iginla (30:06.284)
Yeah, but we have to be mindful that these reporters work for a corporate organization whose bottom...

Milton Allimadi (30:08.692)
unbelievable.

Milton Allimadi (30:14.017)
then don't bother writing the story at all, you know, because we're going to tear you down. Or not, that's he speaks.

Adesoji Iginla (30:21.742)
So what you're saying is this journalist was doing performative journalism, just being there.

Milton Allimadi (30:33.611)
know, but you know what, I think sooner or later somebody's going to ask him. And then sooner or later, these Europeans, and which is very sad, I want them to stay here. Because sooner or later, people are going to start chasing them back to South Africa. I don't want them to go back there and let them stay here. Because first of all, here, they're going to find millions of Europeans who are suffering.

Adesoji Iginla (30:56.054)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (30:58.953)
in these economic conditions, when all the wealth is being transferred to the very wealthy Europeans, the majority of impoverished people are in fact, you know, Europeans as well in this country. You see, because capitalism at some point really does not care whether it goes on the low level, the victims are Europeans or not. People keep forgetting the first

Adesoji Iginla (31:10.232)
True.

Adesoji Iginla (31:20.236)
what you look like.

Adesoji Iginla (31:25.464)
So.

Milton Allimadi (31:29.683)
exploited labor that colonialist Europeans use in the Caribbean and in what is now the United States were fellow white people.

Adesoji Iginla (31:40.526)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (31:43.072)
People, they emptied prisons from England and they called them indentured laborers. They kidnapped Europeans from the streets of London and brought them to work here as indentured labor, right? Because the indigenous populations that exterminated them with diseases, they were not functioning well in these conditions of labor, so they exploited fellow Europeans. It was only much later.

Adesoji Iginla (31:46.136)
Yep.

Milton Allimadi (32:13.523)
The third group of people exploited were African enslaved Africans. Right? So the point is, if they're willing to do that to fellow Europeans at that time, they do it again today. Right? So these Europeans fleeing South Africa are going to find fellow Europeans struggling in this country. And they'll say, wait a minute. South Africa, every European, even the most unqualified,

which are the people coming here right now? A qualified European with assets in South Africa would not be running away, right? They'll find out that fellow Europeans are suffering this country, whereas in South Africa, every European by virtue of just being white is privileged. They will start running back to South Africa. And I hope the Sierra Leone Forces revokes their passport and citizenship and does not allow them to return. That's what I'm saying.

Adesoji Iginla (32:58.189)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (33:10.808)
There was a policy.

Milton Allimadi (33:12.222)
Number two, let me tell you the true reason why I like this story and why I like what Trump is doing. And I hope he brings more more Europeans here. Not only because it increased opportunities for Africans, but this is the main reason why I like it. The African National Congress is floundering.

Adesoji Iginla (33:19.851)
Exposing.

Adesoji Iginla (33:30.424)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (33:36.408)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (33:37.991)
Economic freedom fighters are struggling in terms of messaging. There can be no better messaging that imperialism is so much against us to the extent that they're willing to call descendants of Genocidias as victims of genocide and carry them and take them all the way to America. So we really have to fight for ourselves as Africans. So now Trump is giving them new messaging.

and new validation, you see, if they know how to craft this message properly so that by the time of the next election, they're not performing the way they performed in the last election, you see. Trump is giving the meat to Chuan. So I'm saying eat the meat properly.

Adesoji Iginla (34:20.718)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (34:25.279)
Ha

Adesoji Iginla (34:29.742)
And if you can chew on the bone as well. So yes, that said, I have new so-called victims. I mean, the system constantly plays themselves as victims, which takes us to the story, the real story of victims. Next from France 24. And it goes.

Milton Allimadi (34:31.796)
Take advantage of it.

Adesoji Iginla (34:59.63)
Adesoji Iginla (35:05.664)
It reads, four decades on, still no justice for South African apartheid era atrocities. Victims of apartheid atrocities are suing the South African government for damages over failing to prosecute those suspected of committing apartheid era crimes. The Truth and Reconciliation Commission put forward 300 suspects.

to be investigated for possible prosecution, the vast majority were never pursued. And it goes on. On June 27, 1985, Kalata and his colleagues, Matthew Gerlag, Sparrow Morato, and Sikato Misuli,

drove to Port Elizabeth for a united democratic front meeting, but they never returned. Their desecrated bodies were found, corpses were found burnt with signs of torture and they would become known as the Cradock Four. They have pulled my father's tongue out of his mouth, Kalata said, and they also cut off his ring finger. I don't know why, he said. Now.

What do you think in light of the story we just read about so-called victims is the reason why these crimes have not been prosecuted?

Milton Allimadi (36:39.047)
What?

Adesoji Iginla (36:39.054)
almost 30 almost 34 years going on 34 years now.

Milton Allimadi (36:44.678)
Because we have a neocolonial government in South Africa. We have a government that is not willing. We opened this discussion today by discussing what's going on in Burkina Faso and Traore. In South Africa, we have the opposite, There's a half-hearted attempt.

Adesoji Iginla (36:48.206)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (37:13.521)
to address the legacies of apartheid. And the longer it takes, the more difficult it becomes to address these legacies.

Adesoji Iginla (37:16.288)
Hmm

Milton Allimadi (37:28.153)
At the end of apartheid, you have the wrong memory of the brutality of apartheid, which is fresh on the mind of the victims and the perpetrators, right? And the global audience that has been witnessing apartheid in South Africa and the transformation of apartheid in South Africa.

Adesoji Iginla (37:30.19)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (37:56.549)
So you had stronger justification to take much more decisive actions at that time, you see?

Milton Allimadi (38:08.383)
It's more like.

very similar to that argument of African unity.

that Nkrumah made. He said, you know what, with time it's going to become much more difficult. So that's why we have to do it immediately. Let's come together, let our foreign ministers draft the Articles of Unity. And we just sign it. And we form a continental government.

Adesoji Iginla (38:30.35)
you

Milton Allimadi (38:40.813)
Even Yerere who opposed that approach later on said, Nkurumbo is correct. He said, as these presidents became used to having their sovereign entities, they became used to their national anthem, became used to their national