EP 8 Trump's "White Genocide" Claims Debunked I African News Review

In this episode, Adesoji Iginla and Aya Fubara Eneli discuss the implications of Trump's claims of white genocide in South Africa, contextualising it within the historical and contemporary issues of race, violence, and media narratives. 

They emphasise the importance of understanding history, critical thinking, and collective action in addressing these complex issues. 

The conversation also highlights the significance of George Floyd's legacy and the ongoing struggles for land rights and justice in South Africa and beyond.

Takeaways

*The conversation highlights the significance of May 25th as the anniversary of George Floyd's murder.
*Trump's claims of white genocide in South Africa are critiqued as unfounded and misleading.
*Historical context is crucial in understanding current narratives around race and violence.
*The media plays a significant role in shaping public perception and narratives.
*Freedom of speech is a complex issue that can be manipulated for political gain.
*Land rights and historical injustices in South Africa are important.
*Critical thinking and historical awareness are necessary for understanding contemporary issues.
*The conversation calls for collective action and awareness among marginalised communities.
*The impact of colonialism continues to affect modern society and race relations.
*The need for individuals to engage with their history and the world around them is stressed.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Context Setting
01:02 Reflections on George Floyd's Legacy
02:39 Trump's Claims on South Africa and White Genocide
05:30 The Historical Context of Genocide Claims
09:29 The Role of Leadership in Addressing Genocide
13:35 Freedom of Speech and Its Implications
16:52 Media Representation and Misrepresentation
20:54 The Broader Implications of Violence and Genocide
26:09 Misidentification or Deception?
27:37 The Narrative of Whiteness
29:07 Critique of Media and Political Discourse
31:17 Negotiating with a Liar
32:28 Power Dynamics in International Relations
36:29 Historical Context of South Africa
41:10 Projection and Selective Outrage
45:24 Land Question in Southern Africa
48:23 Decolonising the Mind
49:49 The Myth of White Genocide
50:10 Court Rulings and Racial Hatred
51:18 Understanding Racial Narratives
52:13 The Role of Media in Shaping Perceptions
53:19 Historical Context of Racial Violence
54:39 The Impact of Language on Racial Discourse
56:27 The Dangers of Ignorance
57:19 The Importance of Critical Thinking
59:25 Connecting Global Issues to Local Realities
01:05:03 The Role of Education in Social Change
01:07:23 The Future of Activism and Awareness

Transcript

Adesoji Iginla (00:01.762)
Yes, greetings, greetings, greetings, and welcome to another episode of African News Review.

As you can see on the screen, Comrade Milton Alimadi is not in, and that's due to the fact he's under the weather. He sends his due regards, and we have a capable stand-in, and he needs no further introduction, but I will introduce all the same. So she's I. Afaberi and Ali Esq., author, self-love revolution.

Aya Fubara Eneli (00:12.684)
Thank you.

Adesoji Iginla (00:36.974)
the host of Rethinking Freedom and co-host of Women and Resistance. And welcome.

Aya Fubara Eneli (00:43.534)
Thank you. Yes, this is not comrade Milton Alamadi unless he's dressed in drag.

Adesoji Iginla (00:51.371)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (00:58.572)
Hahaha!

Aya Fubara Eneli (00:59.948)
And I will not even attempt to fill his shoes. The man is a legend, but I am grateful and thankful to be a part of this today.

Adesoji Iginla (01:02.348)
Yes, yes. Yes, so.

Adesoji Iginla (01:14.208)
No, we're honored to have you. We're honored to have you. And so without further ado, first things first, how are you? First and foremost.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:23.136)
I'm incredulous that we are ready on May, what is today, May 26th, May 25th, May 25th. Of course, it's the five year anniversary of the murder of George Floyd. We'll be talking about genocide today. I think that is important that we put a marker down. Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (01:32.49)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:41.068)
George Floyd.

place that in context. yeah, yeah. And so yeah, without further ado, we go to the first story of the day and it needs no introduction really. It's...

Trump's claim, which comes from the BBC. it's first and foremost, mean, let's start from the logic. I think I will save this story for later. Let's go to, can you see my screen?

Aya Fubara Eneli (02:24.049)
No.

Adesoji Iginla (02:29.386)
OK, we'll try that again. Technology, technology. Here we go. And it's.

Adesoji Iginla (02:46.732)
Yes, can you my screen now?

Aya Fubara Eneli (02:46.91)
No. Okay, it's coming up now. It's coming up. up now.

Adesoji Iginla (02:53.294)
You still can't see me? Okay. Okay. okay. So the story comes from The Guardian and it's basically headlined Trump's white genocide claims ignore reality of life and crime in South Africa. And it's filed in by Rachel Savage in Kumati in Poulanga, South Africa. The lead writes, U.S. president in turn death, death.

as he waived articles purporting to show violence against white minority.

And it goes on. It was an ambush crafted straight from a reality TV playbook. The Oval Office meeting with South Africa President Sirum Ramaphosa started with exchange of pleasantries. Before Donald Trump shouted, turn the lights down low. And a video was played to support his false claims that the white South African farmers were being murdered for their race. Ramaphosa came prepared with championed white South African golfers any else.

and Ratif Ghosi, who the golf-mad Trump referred to as friends, as well as South Africa's richest person, Jonas Ruppert. So what was your initial take when Trump came up with the idea of showing a video purporting to highlight the so-called white genocide in South Africa?

Aya Fubara Eneli (04:23.67)
I have so many thoughts on this. don't know that we have, we have the time to unpack all of this.

My first question, and I heard his remarks after this encounter at the White House, is why Ramaphosa even decided to make this trip to the White House.

Adesoji Iginla (04:35.502)
I mean, go with

Aya Fubara Eneli (04:49.206)
there is a way historically that

Oppressed people have given credence to have legitimized their oppressors. Given who Trump is, given the despot that he is, given the fact that he's a 34-time convicted felon,

given all his strong arm tactics and quite frankly the way he functions as I will say this here my words not yours functions as a bully and a terrorist

Perhaps I'm being naive, but I would not have honored him with my presence on his terms, on his ground. You concede so much power. It wasn't a neutral meeting place. You came to his place where he gets to craft and dictate to a large degree the narrative that he wants to push out. And nothing that he did

Adesoji Iginla (05:46.126)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (05:55.064)
Correct.

Aya Fubara Eneli (06:03.222)
should have surprised anyone who's been paying attention, even from his comments and his actions from his first term as president of the United States. And now that he's operating with such impunity, and we saw what he did with Zelensky, I personally would not have gone to the White House as the president of my own sovereign nation. That's just the beginning of it.

Adesoji Iginla (06:04.782)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (06:19.244)
Okay.

Aya Fubara Eneli (06:31.882)
Now in terms of the claim of not just genocide but white genocide, it would be a laughing matter if it wasn't so serious because it requires us to suspend any sense of belief, to erase any sense of history that is not even that long ago. I mean it's existing right now.

Adesoji Iginla (06:34.094)
Hmm

Aya Fubara Eneli (07:01.708)
to buy into his concept of white genocide. And when people try to dictate a narrative and you start buying into the words and the terminology that they bring up, that's really another concession of power. Because what is the definition of genocide to begin with? Right? So.

There's a definition that comes from the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Crime of Genocide, which was adopted in 1948 in response to the, they claim the Holocaust as though there's only been one Holocaust. And of course, we know they're referring to the Jewish Holocaust. They didn't come up with that definition in spite of all the other evidence of genocide, including the formation of this place now called the United States of America.

Adesoji Iginla (07:30.221)
Go on.

Aya Fubara Eneli (07:55.88)
And so, but that definition was intentional and systematic destruction in whole or in part of a national ethnic, racial or religious group. If I wear, and I guess, know, depending on you look at who has power and of course the South Africa gave up its nuclear powers and so on and so forth because they did not want a black majority to have control over that.

same reason they destroyed Gaddafi and Libya and so on and so forth. I mean, if I were to show up at the White House as the president of South Africa with this particular president, I would have come and I wish I could access it. It's on a shelf away from me right now. I would come with a copy of We Charge Genocide that Paul Robeson and Malcolm X, you know, presented.

Adesoji Iginla (08:54.222)
Hmm

Aya Fubara Eneli (08:54.392)
to the United Nations. You're gonna talk about white genocide, first of all, who has intentionally and systematically destroyed any white people in South Africa? I mean, if that's not a projection, I don't know what is in terms of what white people did to the indigenous people and the original owners of the land in South Africa. This is not ancient history, they documented it.

Adesoji Iginla (09:13.486)
Mmm, mmm, mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (09:21.934)
the 1913 Land Act and so on and so forth. You came in with the power of the gun and dispossessed people of their land, killed off.

Adesoji Iginla (09:22.936)
Mm, mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (09:35.808)
if thousands, not millions of people in South Africa and beyond, and then you turn around and charge white genocide because any concept of equality for you degenerates who actually have an inbred sense of inferiority, which is why you can never play on an equal playing field. You always have to use the gun to try and give yourself an upper hand. You try to project

your madness and your fears of retaliation by the people you were pressed on you. think we are going to be as degenerate and as inhumane as you have been to us, to you. And it's really just a projection of their fear. And of course, total suspension of anything in reality, because indeed it should have been Ramaphosa coming with video.

Adesoji Iginla (10:16.27)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (10:34.462)
and documents proving Black genocide beyond the shadow of a doubt. But I will stop.

Adesoji Iginla (10:44.3)
Hmm. Hmm.

I you said it should have been Ramaphosa. Ramaphosa could have said that, are you aware that 31 years on, since 1994 there is, that despite the dismantling of so-called apartheid, in terms of economic well-being, 8 % of the population still owes 72 % of the land. Is that an equal

society. That would have been the question for Ramaphosa to have posed. But I understand what Ramaphosa's problem was because, I mean, we'll get into it in the course of this story. I'll read further and it'll probably come up and it continues.

Aya Fubara Eneli (11:34.326)
Before you even read further, what the heck were Ernie Els and Ratif Goosen doing there?

What was Elon Musk doing there? Yeah, please tell me. us. Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (11:48.792)
they were supposed to. Thank you very much. Aha. So here is the thing. Actually, it probably should lend itself to it. Ramaphosa is no longer... How can I say?

Aya Fubara Eneli (12:07.394)
He is it?

Adesoji Iginla (12:08.914)
black man in the true sense of the word. Now he's a black elite. Yes, he's a black elite. So he has to protect his position. And what is his position? He has to protect the money class. And so when he comes there and brings people who understand the attitudes of the money class, he's not speaking for South African people, he's speaking for a specific class of South Africa.

Aya Fubara Eneli (12:28.494)
for this specific crop.

Aya Fubara Eneli (12:34.734)
And there were no black South Africans in the elites he could have come with.

Adesoji Iginla (12:38.146)
So that's created.

Adesoji Iginla (12:45.844)
Again, when you know what it is you're dealing with, you lend hand to whatever it is you're coming to deal with. Minding he brought golfers, knowing fully well the guy likes golf, and he also understands the role of money. So he brought the wealthiest South African. So if you understand who you're

Aya Fubara Eneli (13:05.838)
And how did he accumulate that wealth?

how much bloodshed brought about that death.

Adesoji Iginla (13:15.306)
Well, which-

Aya Fubara Eneli (13:18.72)
Is that not the proof of the genocide? I'm just asking.

Adesoji Iginla (13:18.798)
I mean the history... that's the thing. Because you're now part...

Yes. No, no, no. I mean, you're asking pertinent questions. But because he is now part of that same class, he can't call them out. That's why he's gone into a power sharing agreement with the inheritors of the National Party, which used to be the apartheid party, which is now rebranded as Democratic Alliance.

which now sits in government with him instead of the likes of the guy whose voice we heard on the video, Julius Malema, who wanted the redistribution of the land. So when Mr. Trump was saying, but listen to what they're saying. Yeah, listen to what he's saying. He's talking about a pained issue.

And as far as I remember, in the United States, you have what is called the freedom of speech. Whether it is egregious to you or not, the person is still allowed to say it. The same thing obtains in South Africa. So again, you pick and choose what is palatable to your cause.

regarding the facts around what it is you're trying to put forward, which is you don't have a ledger standard. And we shall see more of that in the course of where we go on. I'll go, I'll take some more from this.

Aya Fubara Eneli (14:54.388)
Have a nice day.

Aya Fubara Eneli (15:01.486)
So again, yeah, you can see power by coming onto this territory because he could, Ramaphosa could have played video of Trump, good people on both sides. He could have played for 24 hours video loops of Trump saying things worse than whatever it is, Malema supposedly has said. And of course we know that, what's his name?

Adesoji Iginla (15:11.768)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (15:28.106)
said yeah yeah

Aya Fubara Eneli (15:28.602)
the man that we have rebranded Mandela from a warrior to a gentle kind grandfather was also singing that same song. And of course the United States of America is doing everything that it can under Trump's administration to restrict freedom of speech. So there's so many ways that he could have played this. I understand the...

Adesoji Iginla (15:32.514)
Rama Fuzo.

Adesoji Iginla (15:41.688)
song.

Aya Fubara Eneli (15:55.052)
As a culture, the people of African descent always being magnanimous, always being kind and gentle and respectful. But I tell you, sometimes I really wish that we will follow the Old Testament part of the Bible, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, and that we quit turning the other cheek because it has not benefited us.

Adesoji Iginla (16:05.198)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (16:25.28)
Hmm. I think that's the take of Malema. He will probably buy into what you just said now. Because he did say that once that it is land appropriation without compensation. I'm trying to do the best South African accent I can. So that's his take. So in February, Trump signed an executive order quoting aid to South Africa, which is one of the reasons why

Ramaphosa was there, accusing it of unjust racial discrimination against white Africanas minority who ruled the country during apartheid. The other criticized South African law allowing land expropriation in limited circumstances and set up a program to bring Africanas to the US as refugees. The first group arrived this month. Now, so

That video was likely a surprise for the South Africans. It spliced together clips of Julius Malema, the leader of the far left economic freedom fighters, opposition parties saying we are going to occupy the land and we must never be scared to kill. Before singing the controversial kill the Boer song, Boer is another name for Afrikaners and means farmer in Afrikaans. Malema's whose populism is designed to shock and whose EFF

won just 9.5 % of the vote in South Africa's 2024 elections were probably refrealed with the attention after being buoyed up by South African courts ruling that Kill the Boer Song is not meant to be taken literally. So again, we've spoken about the freedom of speech in terms of how things are taken out of context to serve

specific purposes. If you tie that to the United States, can you draw any parallels?

Aya Fubara Eneli (18:26.626)
First of all, who is this Rachel Savage? When I'm reading articles and reading books, I always want to know who is the author, what is their background, what is their motivation. There's so much in this, and I know you have many other articles for us to review. Malema, whose populism is designed to shock. Where is the critique of Trump? Like, what are we doing here?

Adesoji Iginla (18:41.134)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (18:51.926)
And whose EFF won just 9.5 and you so what you're trying to marginalize him?

Adesoji Iginla (18:56.44)
We've no-

Aya Fubara Eneli (18:59.266)
Can we talk about the illegitimacy of this human being that is in the White House and who should never have been allowed to run in the first place if he had not turned the legal system on its head, if you will, to, and of course we had other participants to drag out any justice for his misdoings, his crimes?

And so when you try to marginalize Malema, but you have nothing to say about Trump, I really don't have, I don't really don't want to waste my breath on this human being and this, this propaganda that she's putting out and the paper. mean, just to begin with, like, what is your moral ground? What are, what is your basis for pointing fingers and trying to marginalize one person?

Adesoji Iginla (19:31.278)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (19:46.87)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (19:54.782)
When you are talking about Donald Trump.

Aya Fubara Eneli (20:01.218)
mean, he's meeting with Ramaphosa, who's also, as you pointed out, an elite, quite wealthy himself, who at least had the decency to put his businesses in a blind trust when he reentered politics. So we know he was an activist. We know he got arrested. He was in solitary confinement for about 11 months. We know he was...

Adesoji Iginla (20:02.832)
Hmm. Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (20:22.51)
the text.

Aya Fubara Eneli (20:27.66)
the head of the trade union in terms of the negotiations, we know that he played a principal role in negotiating the quote unquote end of apathetic, which really never ended because what is political power when you are dispossessed of your land and if you don't have your land, you can't eat. And let me tell you, coming to the United States to ask for what, aid? Tell you what, sign your damn executive order and...

Please rid us of all the white people, all the Afrikaans in South Africa. Give us back our land and we will feed ourselves and we don't need your damn aid. How about that? And again, I know there are a lot of people listening to this and saying, well, you know, you're being politically naive and so on and so forth. did get a degree in political science for what it's worth. But if we keep playing by these people's rules, we don't win.

Adesoji Iginla (21:10.476)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (21:24.102)
so anything that Rachel's savage, I don't know where she got that last name from and why she kept it, has to say is completely irrelevant to me.

Adesoji Iginla (21:25.902)
and

Adesoji Iginla (21:41.198)
mean, again, it's the nature of what we do here, which is pass all these stories that focus on

Aya Fubara Eneli (21:43.638)
Yes. Which is important because there are people who watch that and took it at face value. And most of the documents he was showing in the pictures and the videos, like you said, taken out of context. And when you look at what's happening in the United States of America, where we have consent decrees that Biden's administration worked out with police departments that are actually engaged in genocide against a group of Americans, so-called Americans anyway.

Adesoji Iginla (21:53.581)
value is correct.

Aya Fubara Eneli (22:13.262)
You basically tear up the paper that it's written on and say to hell with it and you are systematically trying to erase any sense of people of African descent Contributing in any meaningful ways to this country to the United States of America But you want to turn around and have this as she did rightly point point out on this one reality TV kind of of Show in the White House

Adesoji Iginla (22:15.79)
There you go.

Aya Fubara Eneli (22:43.874)
how far the United States has fallen, but maybe not far at all. Maybe they're just showing who they've always been. And you know what? I'm here for all of it.

Adesoji Iginla (22:46.932)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (22:53.304)
been exactly. And, you know, in light of that, we go to our next story, is, and it reads, it's from Reuters, and it reads, Trump's image of dead white farmers came from Reuters footage in Congo, not South Africa. And he goes on, it says,

Aya Fubara Eneli (22:53.72)
But I'm not gonna play along at the idiocy now.

Adesoji Iginla (23:21.122)
The story was filed in Johannesburg, May 22. US President Donald Trump showed a screenshot of Reuters video taken in the Democratic Republic of Congo. I repeat, video taken in the Democratic Republic of Congo in what he falsely presented on Wednesday as evidence of mass killing of white South Africans. These are all white farmers that are being buried, said Trump.

Aya Fubara Eneli (23:45.902)
As they should, even though that's not true.

Adesoji Iginla (23:51.887)
holding up a printout of an article accompanied by a picture during a contentious Oval Office meeting with South African President Cyril Ramaphosa. goes on. In fact, the video published by Reuters on February 3, subsequently verified by news agency Fat Check Team, showed humanitarian workers lifting body bags in Congolese city of Goma.

The image was pulled from Reuters footage and followed deadly battles with the Rwandans backed M23 militia. The post did not capture the image, that is the blog post from which that image was pulled, did not capture the image but identified it as a YouTube screen grab with a link to a video news report about Congo on YouTube which credited Reuters. Now wait for it.

The White House did not respond to for a request for comments. Andrea Whitberg, managing editor at American Tinker and the author of the post in question, wrote in reply to Reuters' query that Trump has made had misidentified the image. She added, however, that the post which referred to what Ramaphosa called what

It called Ramaphosa's defunctional, race-obsessed Marxist government has pointed out the increasing pressure placed on white South Africans. So what do you say to that? So now you've been cut out. What do you do? You double down.

You start calling government names.

Aya Fubara Eneli (25:38.508)
If you would scroll back up, because it's important that we do like close reading as we're reading information. And I know that in this age of social media, we just kind of scroll. Yeah, you can stop right there. We just kind of scroll and we don't really read full sentences and think through it. So it said,

Adesoji Iginla (25:51.544)
What?

Adesoji Iginla (26:02.254)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (26:02.412)
The image was pulled from Reuters footage shot following deadly battles with Rwanda-backed M23 rebels.

What ammunition manufacturing companies are in Rwanda?

Adesoji Iginla (26:24.534)
last time I checked I don't believe they have any, nor on the African continent.

Aya Fubara Eneli (26:25.624)
So who is really backing the M23 quote unquote rebels?

Aya Fubara Eneli (26:36.48)
Okay, so you know what? That's what I'm saying. Let's talk about these things. So you put in these words and people just read it in your life. Who is backing Rwanda? Who is benefiting from the role that Rwanda is playing in the Congo and to what effect?

Adesoji Iginla (26:36.507)
The Rwandan government is heavily financed by the US government.

Aya Fubara Eneli (26:59.294)
And if you, thank you. And if you show that a few white people died and listen, I believe in the sanctity of all life. What are the numbers of the Africans, the Congolese who are dying? What has been the impact? So, you know, it's like whose life matters.

Adesoji Iginla (27:01.035)
That would be all the major technological companies in the United States.

Adesoji Iginla (27:12.526)
Mm-hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (27:21.836)
If we're gonna get upset about the loss of life, let's look at all the loss of life. Let's look at all the lives and let's not have a hierarchy of, my God, eight white people were killed and buried. Well, okay. Let's look at a whole generation that's been wiped out and let's go further in the history of Congo and look at the white led genocide against black people that has lasted for centuries.

Adesoji Iginla (27:43.683)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (27:51.0)
you freaking kidding me with these stupid news stories? Okay. And then it goes on to say, scroll down. She said, you can call a spade a spade. Something about the White House misidentified. Yeah, keep going. yeah. Andrea Whitberg wrote in reply to a routers query that Trump had.

Adesoji Iginla (28:07.086)
Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (28:14.615)
Okay.

Aya Fubara Eneli (28:20.66)
misidentified the image.

Again, suspension of all belief. With everything we've seen and know about this man, he misidentified? You know, where is the, he lied. He is clear, at least his handlers are clear on where this came from. And if he cannot independently think and ask questions, then perhaps he should not be in the role that he's in? He misidentified? No, he's a bold-faced liar.

Adesoji Iginla (28:31.406)
you

Adesoji Iginla (28:36.206)
You

Adesoji Iginla (28:45.426)
Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (28:52.888)
Whoa.

Aya Fubara Eneli (28:53.698)
There is nothing that man says that is based in truth. And why can't we just say that the liar in chief in the White House did it again? It wasn't a misidentification. He has a very specific goal. He wants to create an apartheid system here in the United States. They are afraid of the fact that they are going to be the racial minority in this country and they want to create America as

Adesoji Iginla (29:09.038)
Mmm

Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (29:23.458)
this bastion of whiteness, and he needs to have a narrative that would allow poor people who are being oppressed. I'm here in Texas, I drive from courthouse to courthouse, some in rural areas. These people don't have a pot to piss in, they don't have a window to throw it out of. But they are following a billionaire who is wholesale selling the country, making money hand over fist, and holding what some mora...

are you talking about? So all of these people who don't call it what it is are part of the problem. He didn't misidentify nothing. He is protecting whiteness. He's clear on what he's doing. And to the extent that you don't have the courage to call him out on it, you are part of the problem. Can I say F all of them? And I don't even cause my parents at my house with me at this time and they would be.

Adesoji Iginla (30:19.128)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (30:23.128)
deeply mortified to hear their daughter not speak in nice Christian tone. I'm going to call myself out because I might just get a talking to because I think they can hear me through these doors. This is not how we raised you, but you know what it's high time that we call. We just need to be honest.

Adesoji Iginla (30:32.288)
I once wanted them to think it was because you came on, I've gotten this review.

Adesoji Iginla (30:41.634)
I mean.

Aya Fubara Eneli (30:46.655)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (30:47.34)
Yeah, so following on the lines of reading line by line, when she said, however, that the post which referred to what Ramaphosa's defunctional, race-obsessed Marxist government.

Aya Fubara Eneli (30:55.02)
Yeah, where did that quote come from?

Who is labeling? Okay. So how, how is Ramaphosa running a dysfunctional race obsessed Marxist government, but they are completely silent on what Trump is doing here in the United States, the way they are rolling back all of the civil rights, all of the rights that we so-called fought for and gained. That is not a dysfunctional race.

Adesoji Iginla (31:01.608)
No, that came from that came from Andrea Whitbeck.

Adesoji Iginla (31:21.763)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (31:28.64)
race- obsessed whatever white nationalists, I won't put Christian in it, that is not a dysfunctional race-obsessed white nationalist government. Like where do these quotes come from and why do we give them credence? To hell with Woodberg as well, as her friend Rachel Savage.

Adesoji Iginla (31:55.63)
I I've come to believe in the last couple of years that anytime they make a projection, it's somewhat of a confession of what they're about.

Aya Fubara Eneli (32:02.354)
No question and these white women they're about to catch the hell that they think is reserved for black people because their whites men don't like them either and Patriarchy is white patriarchy white male patriot that that is that is what they're aiming for So you guys keep propping up this man And I call him a man because i'm a very generous human being otherwise. I might use some other words

Adesoji Iginla (32:13.174)
Mmm

Hope.

Aya Fubara Eneli (32:28.62)
referring to Trump. How dare they? carry on.

Adesoji Iginla (32:31.947)
You

Adesoji Iginla (32:36.814)
The footage from which the picture was taken shows a mass burial following an M23 assault on Goma, filled by Reuters video journalist Dhafor Khanati. That day, it was extremely difficult for journalists to get in. I had to negotiate directly with M23 and coordinate with the ICRC to be allowed to film. Al-Khati said only Reuters had the video.

he, you know, again, he goes to show that

Aya Fubara Eneli (33:07.98)
Say what else he said let the people see what else he said scroll up And you and you of the world president Trump used my image Used what I filmed in DRC to try to convince president Ramaphosa that in his country white people white people are being killed by black people

Adesoji Iginla (33:15.918)
He said, he said, Akati said,

Aya Fubara Eneli (33:29.442)
Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (33:31.875)
Mm-hmm.

And then you wanted the reason why Ramaphosa came in the first place. Ramaphosa visited Washington this week to try to mend ties with the United States after persistent criticism from Trump in recent months over South African land laws, foreign policy, and alleged bad mistreatment of its white minority, which South Africa denies. Now, the elephant in the room.

Aya Fubara Eneli (33:53.806)
How do you negotiate with a liar who wants to see you decimated? He is a sworn enemy of black people. He has no regard for you. on what basis, what ties are you trying to mend? The only ties he wants with you is the same thing he's trying to do in Ukraine, which is open up your doors, let me walk in, take whatever I want and to hell with your people.

Adesoji Iginla (34:06.03)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (34:16.256)
Okay.

Aya Fubara Eneli (34:23.702)
So what ties exactly are you trying to mend? Ramaphosa needs to be on the continent of Africa. He needs to be visiting Caribbean countries and he needs to be figuring out how we come together to provide for ourselves what we need. Cause we have everything the world is looking for. Men ties with the United States for what? You can't men ties with this man. The only thing Trump understands is

have power and you don't. Carry on.

Adesoji Iginla (34:59.342)
Hmm. Hmm. So, well, speaking of power, the reason Ramaphosa was dragged in the Oval Office, I was actually saving this for a too big, well, some would say basically was, you know, cornered, was basically for two reasons. One is the fact that Elon Musk wants to launch Starlink in South Africa.

Aya Fubara Eneli (35:08.908)
Was he drugged?

Adesoji Iginla (35:29.774)
And the business established enterprise laws in South Africa says any company that comes in has to sell 30 % of its stake to black Africans within South Africa. And you all know who Elon Musk

Aya Fubara Eneli (35:44.084)
you mean that you are you trying to suggest that the South African constitution might be superior to the United States Constitution that it actually wants to bring about some measure of equality? Is that what you are suggesting? I'm sorry, because you know, those those savages, even though we don't bear that name, they couldn't possibly have created something superior to to what America has.

Adesoji Iginla (36:03.811)
Well, well, well, well, well,

the United

Mm-hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (36:13.378)
But carry on. Yes. So.

Adesoji Iginla (36:18.528)
No, United States, the United States is the bastion of freedom. mean, you have the Statue of Liberty, you have the freedom of speech, freedom to bear arms. You can do basically anything. You can even call out your president anytime you feel like you can write op-eds about your president without anything. Nobody's going to set your phones. When you come to the airport, you cannot be stopped on the street.

Aya Fubara Eneli (36:19.19)
with you.

Aya Fubara Eneli (36:42.484)
You you are being facetious at this point, right? I know because I don't want this to be lost on on your listeners right now your viewers right now You guys understand that he's telling jokes right now okay because In the other podcast that you do on war and women and resistance every black Woman based in the united states that we've looked at

Adesoji Iginla (36:48.658)
Hahaha!

Aya Fubara Eneli (37:10.572)
has had an extensive FBI folder. So I don't know what you're talking about, but carry on, sir. It's your show. I'm just a guest.

Adesoji Iginla (37:17.462)
I'm

No, were comparing the United States and South Africa. So I have to give you a balancing act in line with the ideals. mean, besides on the...

Aya Fubara Eneli (37:36.175)
In line with whose ideals who were you speaking for?

Adesoji Iginla (37:43.626)
In lines with the United States ideal, on the top of the Supreme Court, it's written, all men are equal before the law. So, you know, yeah. yeah, we'll continue.

Aya Fubara Eneli (37:51.886)
Okay, so since we're doing that, permit me to read something that is not on your screen and I'll tell you the source of it once I'm done reading it. And where is that band who so bontanely swore that the havoc of war and the battle's confusion, a home and a country should leave us no more? Their blood was washed out, their foul footsteps pollution.

No refuge could save the hireling and slave from the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave and the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave over the land of the free and the home of the brave. That is the third stanza of the star-spangled banner, the United States Anthem. And you have an issue with kill the boar? Boy, listen, I'm trying to maintain my...

You know, I'm an officer of the court as I get reminded every day when I go into court, I have to conduct myself with a certain decorum. Are you kidding me? Kill the war. That that is not an official anthem, but your US anthem, the third stanza says no refuge could save the hireling and slave from the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave. That is your official anthem. And you want to point fingers at who?

Adesoji Iginla (38:47.0)
You

Adesoji Iginla (38:57.09)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (39:13.56)
I'm sorry, carry on, we're in your universe, carry on.

Adesoji Iginla (39:20.814)
Well, like I said, you know, we have to be fair and balanced on this channel, like one of your...

Aya Fubara Eneli (39:24.358)
your Fox News now, the faux news, fair and balanced. Thank you for letting me know. I'm going to give this seat back to, not that it was ever mine, but comrade Almaty, you can come back, come, back and get this seat.

Adesoji Iginla (39:39.054)
You know, so I mean, to be to be sincere now, a bit of South Africa's history, so to give people proper context. In 1902, following the Second Boer War, and the Boer War was between the United Kingdom and the Dutch settlers.

Aya Fubara Eneli (39:39.094)
you

Aya Fubara Eneli (39:46.41)
Uh-oh. Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (40:08.258)
the South Africans. Majority of them in going into battle with the British were

Aya Fubara Eneli (40:12.556)
You call them the South Africans or the colonizers? We just need to keep our terms clear here. Okay, thank you. Yes, yes, yes.

Adesoji Iginla (40:20.372)
All the colonizers. Okay, let's just call them the colonized for the benefit of this. So colonizers. So in 1902, following the Boer War, like I said earlier, and the United Kingdom trying to subjugate the colonies who got there before them. Yeah. So they had to, they did what was what most people do not understand.

Aya Fubara Eneli (40:36.206)
2016

Adesoji Iginla (40:49.452)
the first time it was done, the idea of a concentration camp was a British idea. And they put the Boers in a concentration camp, 22,000 of them died as a result of them being placed in that concentration camp. But eventually, the British seen that they wanted to control the Africans.

But made a deal with the Boers that as long as you allow us a chance to gain access to the mineral wealth around here, then you can do, then feed whatever it is you do. And so what did you then have? You had the Land Act of 1913, which essentially says black people cannot own any land within the Republic of South Africa.

Subsequent to that, you had the 1948 apartheid policy, which expressively created what the Americans will refer to as Jim Crow segregation laws that moved the black population into basically wasteland. And what do you have then? You had what then became apartheid and subsequent in ensuring that that system stayed in place.

You had atrocities committed against Africans. So March 21, 1960, you had the Shaftville Massacre, which is where Africans went to a police station, taking their passcards, which was a regulation then that you had to have a pass without which you cannot move around South Africa. They went to bond their passes in front of a police station.

The police came out, turned the guns on them, and the rest, as they say, is history. When the fire settled, 69 people were dead, 180 injured. The man who led that match, Robos Obukwe, would come out of, would be incarcerated again. The first time that law was used on the African continent, which is someone had the right over you to

Adesoji Iginla (43:15.118)
basically signed a detention, an unlimited detention order, which only the government can lift. When he was eventually lifted, he was, you know, exiled to, deported to a part of South Africa where he was broken away from his family and he died there in 1978. In 1976, two years before that, there was the Soweto massacre.

which is of school kids. And why were the school kids protesting? Because they were not allowed to speak their native tongue, but instead had to be lectured and speak in Afrikaans. That massacre is the stuff of legend. So again, when...

Aya Fubara Eneli (44:00.238)
So again, go back to the United Nations definition of genocide.

Aya Fubara Eneli (44:09.484)
who has been systematically and intentionally erased.

Adesoji Iginla (44:09.486)
Mmm. Mmm. Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (44:17.944)
projection.

Adesoji Iginla (44:19.66)
Wow. True?

Projection, exactly, projection. as we would read, so again, based on what we have here and the way the media operates, if you've read the story so far, none of them have gone into the history of the place. They talk about the Native Land Act, but don't tell you what the Native Land Act entailed. People were basically murdered.

Aya Fubara Eneli (44:51.175)
Not basically, people wear. And what are those numbers? What has been the impact? What exactly?

Adesoji Iginla (44:53.716)
on their farms.

Adesoji Iginla (44:57.794)
were murdered on their land.

Exactly. We don't, we, we, we don't know. We don't know. So you, you have all of this and this kind of selective outrage of so-called white genocide becomes farcical. And the reason it becomes farcical is we've allowed a habitual liar, like you called him earlier, to make that a stuff of legends. That's so much so that now,

we can't even call him out as a barefaced liar because he has a very vociferous crowd who will go on there, repeat the same thing over and over and over again in the interest of so-called fair and balanced as they would say.

Aya Fubara Eneli (45:47.286)
And we keep giving him the audience and the platform and choosing to be characters in whatever reality TV show he's playing around, which has dire consequences for all of us. So again, I come back to my original point. I think Ramaphosa played it as well as he could have, and he tried to stay dignified and his comments afterwards. But I would, in the first place, not have dignified that.

Adesoji Iginla (46:05.614)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (46:17.304)
felon, that criminal with my presence. You know, if a football player, right, because we like to say they're not as intelligent, which we know he, this particular football player is very much so. If the quarterback of the Philadelphia Eagles can decline an invitation to go to the White House, didn't make it a big deal, just said he had other commitments.

Adesoji Iginla (46:21.059)
visit.

Mmm

Aya Fubara Eneli (46:43.702)
Why are African leaders, so-called African leaders, showing up to the White House? They're legitimizing this idiot. We need to learn from our history. There are no ties to be mended here. What ties? See, when you say mended, you we came to mend ties. If I'm mending an outfit, there was an outfit, there was a way it looked in the first place, which was desirable to me.

Adesoji Iginla (46:57.954)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (47:12.96)
And so when there was a little tear or a button fell off or the zipper broke, I wanted to restore it to what it had originally been. What ties are you mending? Maybe he misspoke. You really want things to go back the way they were between you and between South Africa and the United States of America, that imbalance of power. And you're really going to negotiate with a white. I'm not going to call him a madman.

Adesoji Iginla (47:15.598)
Mmm

Aya Fubara Eneli (47:41.708)
He is a criminal. You're gonna negotiate with him on what terms? How do you see that working?

Adesoji Iginla (47:52.384)
And even when you say mentize, it's deeply problematic in the sense that how would you mentize with the United States that was the foremost, in fact, yeah, foremost supporter of the apartheid government? The apartheid government...

Aya Fubara Eneli (48:06.176)
If it was up to the Republican Party and Reagan, they were going to continue those policies to keep popping up that racist government, the government that was engendering genocide against the owners of that land. This is not ancient history at all. This was in my lifetime. So.

Adesoji Iginla (48:19.064)
Yes?

Adesoji Iginla (48:28.107)
Yeah? Yeah?

Aya Fubara Eneli (48:33.706)
We need to also ask ourselves how we're moving and why we continue to think that First of all that these new sources I mean we should read them because we are in the world and we should know what they're thinking and all of that But do I learn any credence to them beyond understanding? These are this is how the enemy thinks And then we need to move accordingly. Yeah, so I don't care if it's washington post I don't care what they stamp on it. You guys are not credible

Adesoji Iginla (48:35.533)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (48:56.845)
Hmm

Aya Fubara Eneli (49:01.43)
You are all part of this criminal enterprise. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Adesoji Iginla (49:05.538)
days one or the-

And there's one other issue that I want us to really put into context. When you talk about the region of Southern Africa, I don't just mean South Africa, the region of Southern Africa, starting from Malawi, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Mozambique, South Africa itself, Namibia on the other side, the land question.

Aya Fubara Eneli (49:15.628)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (49:35.916)
The land question, and I'll even bring in Kenya, the land question is still a very pertinent question that needs to be addressed. The fact, for me, the painful thing here is Ramaphosa and Mananangwa in Zimbabwe were foremost in fighting the imperialists.

they are also the ones that are undoing what was won on the battlefield. In Zimbabwe, they

Aya Fubara Eneli (50:05.922)
What do we say? Snatching the feet from the jaws of victory, something along those lines,

Adesoji Iginla (50:14.542)
Exactly. In Zimbabwe, they've just passed a bill that will see them compensate people who, again, we saw the Native Land Act was used to expropriate land from you. In Zimbabwe, called Rhodesia at the time, it was also the Land Use Act that was used to expropriate land.

Now you're going to use state funds, funds that belong to Zimbabwe, to pay to compensate people who stole land from you in the first place because you took said land back.

Aya Fubara Eneli (50:53.996)
Well, I mean, but they have precedents and you know, so many African countries are structured and you know, based on what their colonizers had set in place. So in Britain, when the so-called slave trade ended, it's the African Holocaust, it's Amhatha, but we won't call it a trade. But when it was supposedly, you know, considered illegal in England, what did they do?

Adesoji Iginla (51:15.811)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (51:18.798)
they compensated the owners of enslaved Africans. Not the enslaved Africans, they compensated the owners of the enslaved, the quote unquote owners, like you can own a person. In the United States of America, who got reparations? Abraham Lincoln compensated people who supposedly owned enslaved Africans. And I say supposedly just because the fact that you can think you can own somebody, but at least on paper they did.

Adesoji Iginla (51:26.742)
Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (51:33.474)
Yeah, and they only just come. Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (51:48.704)
And so yeah, it would make sense for Africans who keep copying Western culture without any critique to also think that it is a form of justice to compensate the thief and the murderer and to legitimize them. How asinine is that? But here we are. And I suppose in those countries, don't their lawyers wear the imported wigs on their heads?

Adesoji Iginla (51:51.126)
Hmm

Adesoji Iginla (52:07.824)
Mm. Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (52:15.96)
Yeah, here we are.

Aya Fubara Eneli (52:18.74)
Well, there you have it. There you have it. It's so important that we get white people to love us. We've been on that quest for centuries and have nothing to show for it, but we're still on that quest. They need to go read Ayi Kwa Ma's 2000 seasons. know, that throng of people consistently moving towards white death.

Adesoji Iginla (52:26.382)
They do, they do.

Adesoji Iginla (52:33.614)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (52:42.284)
instead of claiming their liberty.

Adesoji Iginla (52:44.334)
And it's, again, it goes to the basis of Ngugiwati Ongo's book, is decolonizing the mind or even, what's the gentle mind, decolonizing the African mind specifically. Chiuwezu,

Aya Fubara Eneli (52:56.05)
Ways, ooh, she weighs it. Yeah, and then of course, of course That your readers your listeners should also go and read your book Africa illuminated revealing the continent's remarkable facts because when you were talking about Southern Africa, know a lot of times we talk about Africa We do we don't have even have a concept of what we're talking about So we'll get that book because it breaks down it shows you the map It shows you all the countries that are now, you know that comprise that the area called Africa today

Adesoji Iginla (53:19.276)
of what is a year.

Aya Fubara Eneli (53:25.524)
and you get a bit of understanding, a bit of history about each country. It's just very digestible, but it gives you a little bit better context to understand what is going on when you review all of these new stories. So everyone, go out and get a copy of Africa Illuminated by none other than our brother Adesoji. You can get it on Amazon. You might have it in two days.

Adesoji Iginla (53:52.066)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also do like, share and subscribe. know, each one bring one to you if you're finding value in what we're talking about. And so for our next story, we go to white genocide in South Africa. So here we have a legal backing for what it is. So in this story, we sort of get a sense where the idea of white genocide came from.

Aya Fubara Eneli (53:58.318)
for all the people we've grown.

Adesoji Iginla (54:20.842)
and you would not believe it. So claims of white genocide not real, according to the BBC, South African court rules. And the story goes, a South African court has dismissed claims of a white genocide in the country as clearly imagined, not really determining comments made by US President Donald Trump and his advisor, Elon Musk. The ruling came at the court as a court.

blocked a wealthy benefactor's donation to a white supremacist group, Borja Logan. Grantland Marchel Bray wanted to bequeath $2.1 million, that's 1.7 million pounds, to the group to help it further its message of racial hatred and separation. But the court ruled that this request

Aya Fubara Eneli (55:08.504)
Okay, okay, you're scrambling my brain right now. I thought we were making the case for white genocide, but he wanted to bequeath $2.1 million to further their message of racial hatred and separation of whites against blacks. Is that just so we're clear here? Okay, okay, carry on.

Adesoji Iginla (55:28.494)
Yes, that's the case. Yeah, that's the case. we're about to, we are okay. so, but the court ruled that the request was invalid, vague and contrary to public policy. Trump has referred to the large scale killing of farmers in South Africa. Musk has condemned what he said as racist ownership laws and previously condemned the genocide of white people. So

The court action was brought by Mr. Grays, that is the guy who wanted to bequeath the money, who were also trustees and beneficiary of the family trust. In it, they claimed that their brother had become obsessed with the idea of an impending genocide of white people in South Africa in the last 10 years of his life. He died in March, 2022. And so if you go back,

Aya Fubara Eneli (55:56.642)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (56:23.05)
The idea of white genocide was not in the news media prior to 2022.

And so it stemmed from these quotes. Social media, they, and remember what was happening around that time, where just.

Aya Fubara Eneli (56:37.461)
It stems from their fear. And the fact that we keep repeating it then gives it credence. It's like when people say the left and the right and who's pro-democracy or they say who's pro-life. And I'm like, pro-life, if you're pro-life, but after the child, when the mother is carrying the baby, you deny her healthcare.

Adesoji Iginla (56:45.891)
Mmm

Adesoji Iginla (56:59.512)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (57:03.854)
After baby is born, you deny them food and shelter and education and healthcare. And at the slightest excuse that you can find, you lock them up in jail. You are not pro-life if you are pro the death penalty. You are not pro-life, but the more we keep using those terms, we give it credence. So I don't even want to use that term anymore. There is no genocide against white people.

White people have decimated the entire globe. Everywhere they have gone, I challenge anybody, let's sit side by side and get the books they've written. Everywhere the white man has gone, they have killed people, they have destroyed the land, they have polluted the water, animals have died in droves, the landscape has completely been changed. Are you kidding me? Who?

purveyors of genocide. They are war with nature and everybody else because they are afraid that their little minority, and I'm not even gonna start quoting Cresswellson here, Francis Cresswellson, that they really are the weakest link. I didn't say that. These are their fears. If they would live and let live, the evil people will say, which means basically let the hawk, let the dove,

Adesoji Iginla (58:03.406)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (58:22.239)
Mm, mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (58:29.954)
Let them all live in peace. Let them all be able to perch on a branch and live. But if there's one that says the other one shouldn't live, let that one die. If you are trying to kill off everybody else and destroy the environment that protects and provides for the rest of humanity, you signed your death warrant. And I don't have to co-sign it.

But again, with all of these newspapers, these people are not our friends. These people are not truth tellers. And so yes, we pay attention. Yes, we read, but it's really important that we're reading outside of that and we're thinking critically and we're having the conversations that we should have beyond two seconds, beyond someone coined a term in 2022 or whatever. These gray siblings, they just wanna keep that $2.1 million to themselves.

Adesoji Iginla (58:56.567)
Mm, mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (59:24.398)
Listen I'm not gonna do a deep dive into them. I'm showing other ways they're propping up on white racism White racism because there's no black racism. They're propping up white supremacy. They just don't that money going to some other group They're not my friend here. Exactly

Adesoji Iginla (59:36.108)
Why supremacy but not to the tune of 2.1

Adesoji Iginla (59:43.086)
But not to the, yeah. That's too much propping. That's too much propping. It's like, come on, we can talk $10,000, but come on, two point something million? come on.

Aya Fubara Eneli (59:53.598)
And again, Trump doesn't care about the truth period. And their brother that they're saying it was just in the last 10 years of his life. What happened in his last 10 years of his life? First of all, that guy got paralyzed. Their brother got paralyzed at age 26, fighting what war? Fighting against who? Fighting for what? And he got to, where did that 2.1 million that he was giving away come from? You know, let's really get, let's dig deeper. Where did the family have mass their wealth from?

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:00.578)
Hmm. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:10.807)
Hmm

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:00:23.948)
Who helped them build that wealth who was not compensated? Paralyzed or not, he lived a long life and he had a great life and he increasingly, like Robert Kennedy, warms eating his brain and seeing shadows where they're not because the hatred in your heart you think that you have for other people, you're gonna project it on them and say they have it for you. And then now I should waste my energy talking about these people. Donald Trump.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:27.694)
.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:33.315)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:47.726)
Hmm

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:00:55.628)
is a degenerate human being. And anything he does is not about advancing humanity. It's about advancing actually not even white supremacy. It's about advancing himself. It's just a power grab for himself. Now other people may see him as a tool to achieve the things that they want to achieve, including Mark Rubio, who has forgotten that there are tapes.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:57.422)
show.

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:15.245)
Hmm

Yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:01:23.32)
There tapes of him talking about Donald Trump being a strong, wanting to be a strong woman, acting like a third world dictator and so on and so forth. And now he's falling right in line as well. So your listeners need to definitely be reading beyond these so-called...

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:38.562)
Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:50.99)
So one, I mean on that piece, there's something that stood out to me and it was...

The fact that somebody could take a group, a white supremacist group, to court saying you cannot have our money, our brother's money. Like you said, yes, probably they thought, you know, come on, you can't be getting all this money. By the same time, putting that out there, that this is a white supremacist group and

That group comes out and says, yeah, this is who we are. And Trump is of the opinion that these same people are being killed. How is it that you can move around in public with that as your emblem and yet accuse the people who completely don't even see you of trying to exterminate you? I just don't get it. I don't get it.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:02:51.938)
Because we're suspending all belief here and most people go along with it. The same reason you can try to marginalize Malema, but you say nothing about the existence of this group. And you don't do a big deep dive and expose on who else is propping them up and where they're getting their resources from. And I wouldn't be surprised if Elon Musk family is somehow involved in that because where did Elon Musk get his start?

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:04.078)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:14.413)
Yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:03:21.13)
What is his father known for? What is his maternal grandfather known for? Y'all want to write some articles? Write some articles on that. Yeah, do a deep dive into this race, this group that is what that was going to be bequeathed 2.1 million dollars. What were they going to do with that money and how much money have they been given over the years? And what, what, what have they been doing in South Africa?

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:23.502)
Mmm. Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:33.813)
Mm. Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:48.718)
you

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:03:49.42)
with that deep hatred. This is who they say they are. Why not do a deep dive on that? Because last time I checked, Malema didn't kill anybody. He's just trying to get the land back for his people because without access to their land, just as Wangari Mathai talked about, the people perish. Which is the same reason why here in the United States of America, native, the indigenous Americans, if you want to call them that, the indigenous people,

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:03.054)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:12.962)
Yep, yep, yep, true.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:04:19.596)
were dispossessed of their land and that was genocide. And then after the end of the Civil War, what did the American government make sure they did not do? They made sure they did not give land to Black people, to the so-called freed men, because we understand the importance of land and dispossessing people of land, keeping them from land is the genocide. What is happening in Gaza right now?

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:26.275)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:37.897)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:44.214)
of land here.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:04:48.716)
Why does Trump want the landing? come on now, people. Let's connect these stuff. This thing is not rocket science.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:52.638)
yes. No, I mean, I was going to mention that. I was going to mention that. That here is a genocide being perpetrated, finessed.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:04:59.084)
And you're not talking about that gen, you're not calling that genocide that you're financing and propping up Netanyahu. You want to talk about some white genocide? Man, please. I'm never even going to say that phrase again. It doesn't make any sense.

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:09.122)
Exactly.

You

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:05:17.196)
We have another-

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:17.91)
So I mean, we go to our final story. Yeah, one final story. I mean, this one just sort of corroborates the point we've highlighted in terms of being factual. So it's the BBC fact-checking Trump's Oval Office confrontation with Ramaphosa. So it reads, I'm just going to quickly breeze through it. The video also.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:05:27.308)
You're raising my blood pressure today. I don't want to read these people.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:05:35.894)
Okay.

Wait a second, is this the same BBC that covered up what the UK did in Biafra and how they were supporting one side and causing genocide of the Biafrans? Is it that same BBC? Okay, I'm just checking. Okay, what did the BBC say? Because I'm dying to find out. Yes. Yes, what did my friend say?

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:53.716)
No, we need to focus. We need to focus. We need to focus. Donald Trump confronted Syria Ramaphosa during a test and stage in White House on Wednesday with a series of contested claims. Contested, wow. About the killings of white Africans in South Africa. So

The video included footage showing rows of crosses which claims were burial site for modern white farmers and presented Ramaphosa with copies of articles which he said documented widespread brutality against South African white minority. Supporters of the Trump administration have long amplified claims of violence against white minority, notably Elon Musk and former Fox News host Tucker Carlson.

ran segments on the supposed genocide during the president's first term, some of the claims were demonstrably false. So did Rose of Crosses, Mark Graves,

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:06:53.294)
Okay, go back to that. You said it was demonstrably what?

Okay. Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (01:07:05.868)
So did rows of crosses mark graves of white farmers? The footage played by Trump in the Oval Office showed rows of white crosses stretching far into the distance along a rural road. Trump claimed they were the burial sites right there. Burial sites, over a thousands of white farmers, he said. It's not a burial site. It was a memorial. Bob Hostin, one of the organizers of the event told the BBC. He said the crosses were erected as a temporary memorial to the couple.

And there you go. So that was a picture of what you saw that Trump showed Ramaphosa. The BBC Verify has geolocated the footage into an area in KwaZulu, Natal province near the town of Newcastle. Google Street View imagery captured in May 2023, almost three years after the footage of first appeared online, showed that the crosses were no longer standing. that's, so there you go. That's what we're supposed to be looking at. So yeah, no crosses.

So Mr. Trump, has there been a genocide of white farmers? In the meeting, Trump said a lot of people were concerned with regards to Southern Africa. We've had many people who feel they were persecuted and they were coming to USA. We've taken from many locations if we feel there's persecution of genocide going on. And yeah, yeah, whatever.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:08:24.192)
Hold on, back, go back, go back to that.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:08:29.164)
A lot of people, who are the people, are very concerned with, yeah, but who are the people? We have many people that feel they're being persecuted, who? Who did Trump meet with? Who are the people that he has been in consultation with who are feeling persecuted? What is the persecution that they're feeling? A sense of equality? Because this is the administration that feels that

Adesoji Iginla (01:08:36.994)
That's what he said.

No, bitch!

Adesoji Iginla (01:08:58.2)
Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:08:58.91)
Anybody quote unquote of color I heard hate that term any non-white any non-white male really does not need to be in any position of power So who are the people that are feeling persecuted? What is the source of this persecution? Okay carry on

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:17.742)
Okay, so, and it goes on, it says, the country has one of the highest mother rates in the world. There were 26,232 mothers last year. I wonder what the number in the United States is. according to South African police figures of this, 44 were killings of people within the family community and of which six, eight were farmers, were farmers. In February,

South African judge, which is the news article we dealt with, dismissed the idea of a genocide as clearly imagined and not real. So I leave it there because now we're just repeating ourselves. So question is, how do we counter all these false narratives when

We get them. I suppose we do our part here, but how do we do it going forward? Individual, what would you suggest?

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:10:13.782)
Well, I mean, certainly the work that you're doing is important. There are other entities that are also shining a light on these stories that oftentimes people just take it at face value. I think in addition to that, and maybe more importantly, because that's what allows us the lens to understand what we're when we're being lied to, is that we need to study our own history. We need to be curious enough about who we are wherever we live, not just be ignorant about what else is going on around the world.

Adesoji Iginla (01:10:39.38)
History, yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:10:44.096)
and to trust your own enemies to give you the truth about what is happening. We need to understand that we are all connected and that what happens to one across the globe impacts us as well. And when we stop thinking as individuals and start looking at ourselves as a collective,

Adesoji Iginla (01:10:59.736)
connected.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:11:05.74)
we will show more care and concern for what is happening in other places, which hopefully will allow us to connect it to what is happening to right where we are. I'm in Texas. I feel like I'm in the belly of the beast itself. So much that happens in the United States of America starts in terms of racism, starts here in Texas. And then we just kind of...

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:12.822)
Hmm

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:11:28.714)
broadcast it to the rest of the country and say, we got it done here. You guys can replicate this in other places as well. And so what needs to be done is we need to really monitor what we're doing with our time. How you live your hour is how you live your day is how you live your life.

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:30.748)
Success.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:11:51.182)
So, you know I often tell my children this you know, you've got 24 hours in the day Let's say you sleep eight hours that gives you another 16 hours and you need to ask yourself What am I doing with that? So if you're not finding time to read if you're not time finding time to think critically about things that is a problem and Your ignorance is going to allow you to be part of the problem

Adesoji Iginla (01:12:06.734)
and

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:12:17.154)
Your ignorance is going to allow you to be a sitting duck every time for what people like Donald Trump and those propping him up do. And so it's very important for us to study, to think. And I would also say, you know, this is graduation season here in the United States and in other parts of the world as well. I'm not gonna say that I've been supremely successful in this.

Adesoji Iginla (01:12:20.878)
Hmm

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:12:44.948)
But one of the questions I pose to my children is what problem do you see in the world and how do you think you can be a part of the solution? So going to get a degree or what you do with your time and your life isn't just about how can I make the most money? How much money are you going to spend when you die?

And don't get me wrong, have a roof over my head, I have a car, I have access to the internet, I have a device that we're using for this. Understand that there is a place for resources in this capitalist world that we live in at this time. But at the same time, I don't want them to fall into this trap of being only propelled by money. I do not know Brother Cyril Ramaphosa personally.

Adesoji Iginla (01:13:10.157)
Hmm

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:13:31.734)
I do know that he knows enough about the South African history. He knows enough and he has seen upfront what Appleby does. He's seen what racial hatred does. He knows enough to know that we should not be fighting to prop up a capitalist system and that he should not in any way, and I'm not saying that he did, but we should not be kissing the ring of a criminal such as Donald Trump. Not my words.

Adesoji Iginla (01:13:43.299)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:13:59.374)
the judicial system in the United States found him guilty 34 times of felonies. I don't have one. So I can say that. And so yes, we have work to do. And summer is a fantastic time. I know it's summer in this hemisphere. It's about to be winter in some other hemispheres. But this is as great a time as any to look at your day and say, what book?

What can I listen to? What can I read on a daily basis to start broadening my horizon? And then to the extent that you and I are both part of a group of people who've come together and have been learning and growing and discussing under the brilliance of Dr. Greg Carr, I would encourage people, know, those seek out those kinds of groups as well. Go on YouTube. You can find I don't know what episode we have now.

Adesoji Iginla (01:14:51.79)
Narrative. Narrative.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:14:56.506)
When in 264 265 I've lost drag I just know that every week Yeah, every week I show up Yes, I can't keep up with the books that I'm supposed to read but I'm doing my very best, know every day to take a little bite Yes, but thank you for the work that you're doing and thank you for the opportunity to Go through this again I would just say and as we do this this reading and critical thinking work even those crosses that were put up to memorialize

Adesoji Iginla (01:15:03.598)
I just turn up. Yeah, that's it. I turn up. I don't even look at the number anymore.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:15:25.294)
two white farmers who were killed. It was put up by Rob Watson, who's a local businessman, and ask what that means, and neighbor of the Rafferty's who were killed. What crosses did he put up?

for the thousands and millions of black South Africans who've been killed. When we talk about South Africa is the murder capital of the world, and we talk about the extent of the crime in South Africa, go back to the history. You just talked about the Boer War and the concentration camps and 22,000 being killed in the camp. Who brought this violence there? Who corralled people into open,

Adesoji Iginla (01:15:45.848)
When Black

Adesoji Iginla (01:15:58.478)
you

Adesoji Iginla (01:16:11.106)
the British.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:16:11.214)
prisons the same way they did to the Palestinians in Gaza and created inhumane living circumstances for people and you make sure that you restrict their access to resources and turn around and wonder why people may sometimes now see each other as enemies because they're fighting for resources in an area where

Adesoji Iginla (01:16:26.67)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:16:39.854)
that scarcity is artificial. It was manmade. It was white manmade. So how do you turn around and create a situation? You come into my house and you trash it, and then you turn around and take video and say, look at how she lives. She lives in a trashed house. She don't even know how to take care of her stuff. But you don't tell the beginning part of the story that you came in and trashed it.

Adesoji Iginla (01:16:46.894)
Mm. Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:17:10.178)
Come on now.

Adesoji Iginla (01:17:12.974)
So a quick link of history. When the British came up with the idea of the concentration camp in 1902 in South Africa, at the Nuremberg trial in Nuremberg, Germany, the first question that was put to one of the German generals on show

was tell us what happened. And the guy said, no, I'm not going to tell you what happened. I'm going to tell you where we got the idea from. the prosecutor said, no, no, no, no, tell us what happened. He said, it's either you want us to tell you where we got the idea from. And when the guy kept pushing back, said, well, I will tell you what you don't want to hear. We only perfected

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:17:50.008)
This is

Adesoji Iginla (01:18:11.926)
what you started. He told the British lawyer that we only perfected what you started. So post the Holocaust, the Jewish Holocaust in Germany, and then they said never again. We knew that was not the case because the Britain then did use that idea in Kenya in the 1950s.

used it in Malaysia in the 1950s. Yeah. The idea was also then used by the Americans in the Vietnam War. The idea of concentration camps. So this concept of creating, of having history that, you know, people just think they're strats, there are also connecting dots, connecting dots. Speaking of history,

For people who want to know more about the South African space, you can read Brother Gerald Horne's book, White Supremacy Confronted. And he talks about all the areas of Southern Africa. Yeah, it's quite heavy. It's quite chunky, but you survive. So.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:19:22.03)
You survive those very great muscles will get stronger we can do this Well, not only can we do it. We have to do it. We have to do it for Our future generations we plant the trees now that we are not going to sit under we plant it for the next generation

Adesoji Iginla (01:19:29.42)
You survive. Yeah, you survive.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:19:46.178)
That's the wisdom of the African mind. Yeah. So yes, for those who are just joining us, we've been reviewing the news articles that showcase Africa. mean, specifically, we were referring to the claim of white genocide by Trump, the White House, in the course of the week. And we did as much as possible to debunk said narrative. And if you like,

what you've heard so far, like, share, and subscribe. But also be minded that Wednesday, the sister and I will do another episode of Women and Resistance. This time, we're looking at the lives and times of Angela Lee Crumpler. Rebecca Crumpler, sorry. Rebecca Lee Crumpler.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:20:27.264)
Nope, nope, Rebecca. Rebecca Lee Crumpler, yes. And if you've never heard of her, tune in.

Adesoji Iginla (01:20:40.202)
Yes, tune in. And yes, the final thoughts will go to sister.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:20:45.582)
want to commend you because for the work that you do because I'm telling you reading these articles I want to slap somebody and I want to spend my time on it but but but but but when when lies are being told and they're not debunked they

stand in as facts for people who are not doing that work and thinking through the work that you're doing is extremely important. And thank you for how dedicated you are and committed to this work. And thank you for the opportunity to be in conversation with you today.

Adesoji Iginla (01:21:09.176)
Festa. and a Festa.

Adesoji Iginla (01:21:23.534)
I'm sure the good comrades watching would be proud that somebody has...

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:21:26.51)
He would have been a lot more dignified and polished.

Adesoji Iginla (01:21:35.758)
No, no, it is. But all the same, I'm sure he would be he would be proud. would be proud that you you did a stellar job. And again, thank you for coming in as short short notice. And yes, again, we do what we do here. So subscribe, support. You can join our Patreon. Our Patreon page is Patreon link is on the

on the YouTube page, you know, like, share, subscribe, leave your comments, which is much more important. Leave your comments on the post that way. Even stories that we don't spot, you spot them, we're able to, you know, hone in on them and, you know, do justice accordingly. I thank you all for coming through and until next week, it's good night and God bless.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:22:06.605)
Yes.