EP 5 Ebola, Poison, Mines & Patois | African News Review

This week on African News Review, Adesoji Iginla, with Milton Allimadi and Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq., reframes the narrative from an Afrocentric perspective. We break down four stories that reveal one uncomfortable pattern: African and Afro-Caribbean lands, bodies, and cultures are still being used as buffers, sacrifice zones, and extraction sites for Western wealth and comfort.

This panel discussion covers a wide range of critical issues, including the impact of colonialism on language and identity, environmental and health concerns from colonial and corporate exploitation, and the ongoing fight for sovereignty and justice across Africa and the Caribbean.

🇫🇷 CHLORDECONE | France finally admits it poisoned Guadeloupe and Martinique with a banned pesticide, decades after banning it at home.

🇲🇬 RARE EARTHS | Rio Tinto is accused of contaminating rivers in one of Madagascar's poorest regions to extract minerals destined for Western EVs and wind turbines. Green energy for whom?

🇰🇪 EBOLA IN KENYA | The US refused to bring Ebola patients home — and asked Kenya to host them instead. Is this a partnership or a patron-client relationship?

🇯🇲 JAMAICA'S LANGUAGE WAR | A Jamaican MP was silenced in parliament for
speaking Jamaican, the language of 95% of the population. The rule? English only.

Takeaways

*Impact of colonial language policies on identity
*Environmental damage from colonial resource extraction
*Historical reparations and colonial compensation
*The role of education in resistance and empowerment
*Current struggles for sovereignty and resource control

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Panellist Introductions
01:14 Milton's Insights from Cuba
06:19 Cuban Resilience and US Sanctions
08:17 Local News and Political Updates
14:40 Language and Identity in Jamaica
27:50 France's Acknowledgement of Colonial Harm
33:20 Colonial Legacies and Modern Impacts
37:03 Miseducation and Disinformation
39:48 The Question of Accountability
43:48 Environmental Concerns in Resource Extraction
50:15 The Need for Sovereignty and Local Expertise
54:59 The Role of Leadership in Neocolonialism
01:02:00 The Ebola Quarantine Controversy in Kenya

Transcript

Adesoji Iginla (00:04.944)
Yes, greetings, greetings, and welcome to another episode of African News Review. I am your host, Adesso G. Ginla, and with me, as usual, my two esteemed panelists. I have with me Ayafubera and Eli Esquire, Offer Yourself Revolution, Kwanzaa a celebration guide, host, rethinking freedom, 98.5, killing taxes, co-host.

Milton Allimadi (00:18.894).

Adesoji Iginla (00:33.616)
Women in resistance welcome system.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (00:36.465)
Thank you very much.

Adesoji Iginla (00:38.916)
I also have our esteemed panelist back in get back in house, all the way from Havana, Cuba. He is none other than Comrade Melty Ali Madi. He doesn't even need any introduction. he's the author of Manufacturing Hate, host Black Star News, WBAI 99.5, FM New York. I must say I'm jealous the fact that he's been to Cuba.

Milton Allimadi (00:44.983)
Thank you. Yes.

Milton Allimadi (01:07.508)
As-Santa Sanam. As-Santa, thank you, comrades. Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (01:08.559)
Who buck? Yes.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:12.711)
His his his pictures and commentary from Cuba just awesome.

Milton Allimadi (01:17.067)
Yeah, thank you so much.

Adesoji Iginla (01:17.37)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just that's so that said, news from where you're at, in your case it was international. So comrade.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:28.303)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (01:30.208)
Yeah, well, you know, first of all, it's good to be back. I managed to go to Havana, Cuba as part of the delegation, 25 of us, several journalists led by the Pan-African Unity Dialogue. Dr. Ron Daniels, he's the founder of the Institute of the Black World 21st Century. And there's a lot of the information, the articles we wrote on ibw21.org.

So I strongly recommend that. So obviously we don't have enough time for me to give like a recap of the entire trip, but there's some things I want to say before we get into today's show. The resilience of the Cuban people is just remarkable. know, I mean, obviously the hardship is there. You can see the hardship. People swarm you once they think you have, you know, U S dollars. Somebody told me the exchange rate is now one to 500.

Adesoji Iginla (02:09.935)
Mm. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (02:28.805)
Cuban pesos. And it actually brings some of the more unfortunate reactions from some people on the streets. Like one guy told me that during Batista's era, it was on par, one to one. So I said, yeah, but you're not saying you're looking for Batista's days, are you? He said the way things are so bad right now.

you know, give me Batista's era. And that, of course, is the impact of this financial and economic squeeze that the US is putting. And that's the kind of reaction that the US is hoping to get so that eventually, you know, there's chaos, a circular breakdown, and they use that as an excuse to intervene. But I'm not sure that that is the pervasive feeling.

Adesoji Iginla (03:13.593)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, manufacturing consents.

Milton Allimadi (03:25.511)
Most of the people I spoke with on the streets told me that they look back to when Obama was president because their relations were beginning to thaw. One person told me that he was making three times more income than he is making today because of the opening. A lot more private businesses were able to be established and more visitors, of course, tourists, because first of all, Havana is such a beautiful city.

Adesoji Iginla (04:01.82)
No

Adesoji Iginla (05:18.447)
Lost a comrade. He should be back. he was so while we're trying to get comrades back, what's the news from where you're at, sis?

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (05:31.204)
Well if I can and he's coming back right now. I was gonna say to to just yes, please go ahead. Yes.

Milton Allimadi (05:36.347)
Forget about the spectacular classic buildings, the monuments, the park. Man, I can you hear me?

Adesoji Iginla (05:40.355)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we lost you for a second.

Milton Allimadi (05:45.894)
Yeah, but the trees, the trees and the flowers. Wow. Man, I hope that's not US intelligence working against you develop this profound love for plants, trees, and but okay, so let me sum. Because we have a lot of important issues, flowers everywhere. In fact, the way I would describe it, normally you build a city to deal with this world. Let me sum. I've written an article.

about my experience. And then you have trees and plants and flowers. But in this case, I think they found a so you can see that on Black Star News as well. Or you can just Google it. It's just packed with trees and plants and flowers and decided to put buildings here and there, you know. And it's when doctors cry. Essentially, we that's how I would describe the city. the people are highly educated. Asked at the doctors we met with seven doctors

In a conference room. The question was water and food in it. People walk for miles. people hitchhike. How do you doctors cope with treating? I mean, I imagine they still have some occasional access to the people in an environment where there are not enough drugs, the info, the recycling, and I don't even know how you do this, their mortality rate has doubled.

The cancer survival rate has dropped and also distilling some fuel by 20%. How do you address your own emotion the escalated the use of alternative energies? So needs. And in attempting to answer that question, one doctor just started crying, that the US has been praying for for 65 years. And I think that's why education.

Adesoji Iginla (07:19.931)
I mean, a quick question in relation to your trip would be you I think I during our conversation on the radio on on Tuesday, you spoke to the meeting with the president Carnell. And he's been recently sanctioned as well now. So the question is, are the American governments actually speaking to him or it's just pressure, pressure, pressure?

Milton Allimadi (07:44.174)
Because I think nobody had ever asked them this kind of question before. Who is the nation plays the most important role? You know, when people are educated, they can make connections, right? Even the doctor for the doctor. Then the doctor next to him started crying too. And then the person in my group who posed the question started crying too. I was looking around, I saw like at least five other people crying. And that sounds what is going on in Cuba today. So please read the article.

when doctors cry, just do go to Google and put my name, Bilson Alimadi, it will probably pop up. So I think I would like to stop at this point so we can have more time to deal with the spending issues. Unless there are one or two questions that either of you comrades want me to address.

Adesoji Iginla (09:00.889)
Wow. Sister.

Milton Allimadi (09:02.99)
This pressure. I think they're thinking of obviously, I mean to us who follow the the news, it's obvious that they're thinking of doing a Venezuela type situation. You make him toxic, so it means you have a preference for somebody else to deal with. And given that we know recently some US I think generals went to Guantanamo, met with Cubans. I think they also

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (09:04.272)
Just for those who would like to hear your your viewpoint on what you saw while you were there, because we get a lot of contradictory information about Cuba. How are the people surviving? What impact are these sanctions, which I consider a form of genocide, having on on the people?

Milton Allimadi (09:32.898)
went to the CIA you know director went and he met with the with the president. I think if if we are reading it the way we read Venezuela, maybe they're thinking of doing the same template. Find somebody who they can you know control and then you know get

Raul Castro and the the president, Carnel President and Miguel Diaz Carnel get them out of the way. And maybe that's what they're saying. This is our price to avoid a full scale invasion. So that would be my speculation.

Milton Allimadi (10:32.055)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (10:37.632)
It's tough.

Adesoji Iginla (10:39.056)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (10:41.26)
Yes. Yes. And I'm glad you actually put it that way because that's what the president actually said, Diaz Cornell, that this is a mass genocide because when you are depriving people of food and one of the reminded me, he said there are fifteen thousand tons of rice in the harbors, in the ports in Havana, but they don't have the fuel to distribute the food. Let's think about that. Food food sitting there, but you can't distribute it.

Adesoji Iginla (10:58.755)
I've seen.

You froze for a second?

Adesoji Iginla (11:05.965)
Yeah, I can hear you now, but Okay, sister, your take?

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (11:06.116)
Yes, we can hear you now. no, he's gone.

Milton Allimadi (11:11.531)
people are surviving by walking. I saw you know so many people with backpacks. I imagine they might have walk.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (11:12.0)
news from where I am. We have a runoff mayoral election taking place just down the street from me. So if you're listening and you are a Harker Heights resident, I'm not a resident of Harker Heights, but if I were, I'll be voting for Linda Nash and voting for change. some of the news that I just want to keep us you know, keep keep at the front of our minds is what is going on with Ebola and

Adesoji Iginla (11:24.069)
Get out and vote.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (11:41.879)
Now we see where Rubio in the United States of America is that one of the stories we're gonna cover today? Okay, then I won't talk about it now. But at any rate, really important that we are paying attention to what's going on and how we take steps to make ourselves healthier and make ourselves stronger. And what I was noticing as Carrade was speaking and he was talking about the educational levels in Cuba.

Adesoji Iginla (11:48.261)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It is, it is, it is.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (12:08.526)
Is you see the same thing in Iran, right? So these places where they try to strangle folk to death, where they become more resourceful and they understand the importance of education of knowledge to then be able to be more innovative in how you handle the resources that you have. So for the African diaspora, for African people here in the US, wherever we are, we've got to lean into knowledge.

We not not just degrees, but the degrees could be an you know proof of knowledge, but not always. But we really need to get our young people and ourselves through it through our own examples where we're tapping into knowledge. And on last point I'm gonna make in terms of stories, Zambia. Shout out to Zambia, because I'm always looking for some positivity on the continent. 2021.

Adesoji Iginla (12:41.371)
Yeah, practical.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (13:00.41)
They instituted free education from elementary through high school and but there wasn't the money and the resources behind it. And earlier, now we're in June now, so last month they actually codified that it is a right for every child in Zambia.

To have free education, and they're putting some resources behind it. And these are the kind of changes we need. Because if we talk about Africa being the youngest continent, you know, having the the largest number of young people, and we don't educate our young people, we're setting ourselves up for a different kind of slavery.

Adesoji Iginla (13:26.5)
Up to

Adesoji Iginla (13:34.255)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (13:44.474)
Hmm. Yes, in Europe, so Europe first, then the UK. In Europe, there is what is now known as the Flamingo Revolution happening in Albania, Tirana, the capital city, where the president's son-in-law, Jared Krushner and his wife, Ivanka Trump have taken up the

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (14:00.91)
Adesoji Iginla (14:13.093)
co the idea that they're going to r they bought an island effectively, you know. I don't know how that happened, how it was allowed to go through.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (14:21.414)
How do you how do you how do you buy protected land? Like how and and have you heard that prime minister talk? Like, is he in his right mind? Okay, please carry on.

Adesoji Iginla (14:24.299)
Okay, so so yeah. Yeah, Ed Rami Ed Rami. So they bought protected land, which technically should not happen, but did happen. the that's one of the issues on okay.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (14:40.36)
but you have to tell the whole story. We were on a yacht owned by the Rothschilds. And and no, Ivanka tells the story. You guys can go Google this. And you know, just swimming on a beautiful idyllic day, and we saw this island, and it was so beautiful. And our colonizer intendencies, the Urugua in Ort says, We must colonize. And and we hiked and we hiked all the way to the top, and it was just gorgeous. And we said,

Adesoji Iginla (14:48.899)
Y yeah, yeah, yeah.

And you saw this island.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (15:08.336)
God must have made this for us to own and and kill everything that's on here because that's in our DNA. It's what we do. And so we called the prime minister and he showed up on the yacht. And forget that it is protected lands. But thank God the people are rising up. Brother, I'm sorry. I know you were trying to tell the story, but I just have to. my God. These Uruguo. Woo!

Adesoji Iginla (15:36.879)
For me, for me, it was this. It wasn't only, it wasn't the fact that they bought the island. It was the fact that they got in, I think they've technically gotten away with the island. It was the fact that they said they wanted the nature reserve to extend the island. People were like, what?

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (15:57.671)
So that they can build a ten thousand condo, whatever paradise of I guess beyond Epstein proportions of what they'll be doing there. Allegedly.

Adesoji Iginla (16:01.078)
Aka yeah, Torres yeah, Tor yeah. So

Adesoji Iginla (16:08.877)
And the worst part is the yes. So the worst part is this. There is an old airport that has long been disused. Now they want to build a big runway that literally is in the part of a bird sanctuary. Birds and planes don't mix, but they want to build it anyway. Exactly. And that's the only place the flamingos land in in the Mediterranean.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (16:29.092)
Well, we'll get rid of the birds.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (16:35.962)
Well who cares about the flamingos? We are Urugu. We conquer everything.

Adesoji Iginla (16:43.235)
Yes. So that's on the European scene. On the local home. Yeah, yeah, people are in the streets. They've been in the streets now for for the past 15 days. today would make it day 16. They and basically they are sitting outside the prime minister's office. And we'll see what comes of it. But with the people in the streets, this is not gonna go down well. So that said,

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (16:48.154)
But the people are the the people are protesting though.

Adesoji Iginla (17:12.671)
On on the domestic front, reform party has been taking some sort of a beating. beating I mean the fact that some of the mayor the politicians they got elected during this recent local election have been found to be, how can I say, colorful characters, for want of a better word. people who have sexually assaulted their partners, people who are peeping toms.

For people here, this is people who go through and are voyeuristic, staring into people's windows, you know. I mean, all sorts of characters. So they've just been dropping like flies. Now they're coming to realize that it's okay to be loud in opposition, but then when you get into power and you're held to account, you're found to be wanting and so.

That's just the nature of things here at the moment. And with that, I think the comrade is struggling to come back in. we'll continue. let's start with the first story of this week, and that comes from The Guardian. It comes from The Guardian, and it is where's my yep. And it is that the MPs in Jamaica.

Are up in arms. They're up in arms. It is broken English, MP's attempt to speak Jamaican. Not speaking Jamaica, you speak patois. Even the speak patois in parliament sparks a language row. Parliamentary rule that only English is allowed has reignited debate about language, legitimacy, and post colonial identity. Nikisha Butcher.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (18:38.864)
Yeah.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (18:44.09)
Love it.

Adesoji Iginla (19:08.399)
That's the lady here, who is a recent MP, but is also MP for the opposition's cultural arm. When Jamaican's MP Nikisha Bochold stood up to give her maiden speech, she was keenly aware of how much her country's parliament mirrored the Westminster version thousands of miles away in good old London. As in the UK, the session on 12th May has started with the arrival of the ceremonial Mace, a 1.7 ornamental silver staff.

Representing the British monarch's authority over Parliament, which is now rested on the table between the government and the opposition. Despite the heat outside, the debate was presided over by the speaker dressed in ceremonial robe, which are the opposition spokesman spokesperson for culture, creative industries and information approached the microphone and began to speak. Madam Speaker, me I get this afternoon, the make me.

First sectorial speech, pan me portfolio. And the speaker immediately cut her off. And Juliette Hones is also the wife of the Jamaican Prime Minister, Andrew Hones. Immediately cut her off. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Standing orders, I think you are fully aware, said Ms. Hones, that who is the wife of the Jamaican Prime Minister. The regulation to which Hones referred to was the rule that only English and certainly not Jamaican partois.

is allowed in parliament. If I have to stop you again during your presentation, you will not get any additional time. Honest tone butcher as Parliament erupted into protest with someone chiding broken English.

Adesoji Iginla (20:50.714)
Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (20:54.711)
In without speaking in broadcle in English please, could you explain why

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (20:59.922)
Haha

Without speaking in broken English. Okay. Nah on the crace. That is what I would say. And if you speak pigeon English, you would know what I said. Now serious Chris, now not a craze. okay.

Adesoji Iginla (21:04.355)
Yes please. In qu in the King's English, could you explain to you as well?

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (21:22.32)
This I actually went back and watched the

Adesoji Iginla (21:25.925)
Does the the the the speech? Yep.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (21:28.516)
the whole speech. first of all, I just love the personality of this MP because she knew what was going to happen. She planned ahead. You could see like the little as soon as she was interrupted, you could you could see the smirk on her face. There was a glint in her eye. She knew this was going to happen and they played right into her hands. Because now this is a conversation not just happening in Jamaica, but happening across the world.

Adesoji Iginla (21:39.675)
There w there was a yeah, there was a wink in her face. And her face

Adesoji Iginla (21:56.304)
Mm-hmm.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (21:56.771)
Let's go back to the very beginning here because what we're seeing here is how colonialism continues to dictate how we show up and how we're even fighting back.

Adesoji Iginla (22:07.619)
Mm.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (22:14.062)
Understand that when the European colonizers, when Urugu arrived in Africa, when they started to kidnap and transport our bodies, transport us to the Caribbean, they understood something that language is not merely communication. Language is consciousness. Language is identity. Language is power.

So, why do you think that they would have enslaved Africans in the Americas forbidding to speak their mother tongue? Some of us, whether it was fictitious or not, will remember roots and remember how they cut this man's foot off because he wouldn't answer to Toby and he kept running away. He's like, no, my name is Kunta Kunta, because my name has power. Like all my children happen to have, not happen to, it was by choice, it was intentional, have power.

Adesoji Iginla (22:59.461)
Can do.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (23:07.654)
names that are in African languages and that they have meaning. So every time you're calling them that name, you're actually speaking a particular life into them. So what we see happening here is what the colonizers did when they were in direct rule. Going to school in Nigeria until I went to FGC and Nugu, where we now had to take

Some Nigerian languages is some of our coursework, we were actually forbidden to speak what they called vernacular. Chinua Cheber writes about this most people who were who were who were educated by the missionaries and those initial schools that you could not speak, quote unquote, your mother tongue. You had to get proficient at theirs.

Adesoji Iginla (23:42.735)
Nakula.

Adesoji Iginla (23:59.663)
Yes.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (24:00.271)
And then, of course, you see it across the Americas, wherever we are in the diaspora, this you know, to speak our languages to present as as less intelligent. It's very threatening to them because of the cohesion when we come together culturally. And so for us to be talking about in 2026, Jamaica, with its history of Marunesh.

Ramarunaj, right? With the, you know, I just got done reading the counter-revolution revolution of 1776, because I'm going to be interviewing Professor Gerald Horn for Rethinking Freedom tomorrow. And when you see the numbers of revolts on that quote unquote island of Jamaica, and then to turn around now, first of all, the fact that Jamaica has not, do you know the only thing that is stopping Jamaica from becoming a republic is what?

Adesoji Iginla (24:29.615)
Mm-hmm. Marunah.

Adesoji Iginla (24:48.207)
Hello.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (24:59.844)
The actual Jamaicans. If you have two parties who say, yes, we should become a republic, we should break off from Britain, but at the same time, because they're opposing themselves, they will not come in agreement on this one issue. So they start every parliament. You talked about the maze. No, no, no. Not just that, they say a prayer for the king of England.

Adesoji Iginla (24:59.915)
Nothing really. In terms of themselves. Yeah, yeah, nothing. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (25:27.407)
Yes, King Charles III.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (25:29.88)
May he be protected. May he prosper. Are you freaking kidding me? It is 2026. So I am so glad this sister, knowing what the result would be, decided to speak in patois and has made you can go to her YouTube channel. She explains in more detail why it is so important that.

Adesoji Iginla (25:40.923)
Mm.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (25:50.341)
She's not saying don't stop, you know, stop speaking in English. She's saying, at the very least, let it be bilingual. But to say that the language most people understand is not one in which the business of their their government can be conducted in, and you're still kissing the butt of the people who, by the way, just abstained from a vote on whether trafficking your bodies.

Adesoji Iginla (26:04.741)
Palum. Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (26:14.565)
Scene. Yeah.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (26:18.55)
murdering your ancestors is the gravest crime against humanity and that's still who you're praying for like what the hell is wrong with us? So shout out to Nakeha Burchell sis sis power to the people keep it going

Adesoji Iginla (26:18.607)
Was was inhumane.

Adesoji Iginla (26:28.16)
Mm. Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (26:34.479)
When I saw the when I saw this, when I saw this story, I immediately went back to our recent ancestor, Ungugi Wafiongo. Yeah. So he wrote a series of books on the power of languages. Decolonizing the mind is the most in the most popular. one of his last books was Ungugi Wafiongo, the language of languages. But the most

Pertinent one to what we're discussing around is his last book, Decolonizing Languages. And he said something here which is very poignant and particular about this. He said something here which speaks to what transpired in Dafin. He says, the assumption, where is it? He said the assumption may explain why criminalizing African languages continues to this day, now administered and enforced.

By African educationalists. We don't see the irony of what they are doing. An African punishing another African for speaking an African language by the order of an African government. So Ms. Honers is essentially punishing a colleague that looks like her for speaking a language she clearly understands to.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (27:47.278)
No, she is basically an overseer. She is in the place of Yorugu of the colonizers because now they don't have to be present for us to silence each other.

Adesoji Iginla (27:50.201)
Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (27:58.728)
And who said a mind is a a great thing to lose because sometimes you don't have exactly because you don't have to be in the room. They will do it themselves. They will do it on your behalf, and which is what is clearly transparent here. And so that's lends us to go to stay within the Caribbean.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (28:05.744)
Terrible, terrible thing to waste.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (28:21.656)
No, but hold on, before you get off of this, I just want us to even reclaim our language. It is not broken English. It is a Creole language that emerged from the interactions between West Africans and Europeans. If you're going to call what we're speaking, pigeon, whatever, then think of think of the English language itself. What language is that?

Adesoji Iginla (28:30.792)
okay.

Adesoji Iginla (28:47.993)
It's a mishmash of yeah, yeah, yeah.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (28:48.258)
Is it not borrowed from so many other languages and then twist it? Come on. So it so if that is leg a quote unquote a legitimate language, then whether I'm speaking so-called ebonics, I'm speaking pidgin English, I'm speaking Pato, whatever I'm speaking, it's a language as well that deserves all the respect of any other language.

Adesoji Iginla (28:53.667)
It is a mishmash of languages, French

Adesoji Iginla (29:12.781)
And

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (29:13.69)
And to say don't speak that, it's like you're saying that the attempt to remain African while surviving slavery was a failure. And that the only good Negro is one who can speak exactly like they're calling. There's so many levels to this thing. but shout out to the cis. And and let's continue this energy. And I know, I have no doubts that now that she has brought it to the forefront in a way that she has.

Adesoji Iginla (29:22.308)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (29:31.075)
Yeah. Yeah.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (29:44.12)
Are conscious brothers and sisters? yes, absolutely.

Adesoji Iginla (29:46.393)
We'll take it up. We'll take the matter up. I mean, Fanon says it in his book Black Skin White Mask, you're not European. Why are you trying to speak like a Frenchman or an Englishman? Let

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (30:00.453)
Well, did you see the one of the the the brother? Which country was it where he was saying we shouldn't speak Swahili? We need to speak French. We need to speak English.

Adesoji Iginla (30:06.501)
That was that was the presidential aspirant in Uganda. He said we should speak, he said we should we should speak we should speak English and French instead of Swahili. Yeah, like okay, if I mean, listen. on one final point with regards to the language thing. Umgu often says that.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (30:11.492)
What a what an idiot. I'm sorry. I no, I'm not sorry, actually. I'm not sorry. If you talk like an idiot, you're an idiot.

Adesoji Iginla (30:35.553)
Languages are a vessel of our history. The moment you lose your language, how do you transmit your memory to the next person? Because you now have to think in somebody else's language. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (30:48.398)
It's it's a it's a vessel for your culture. It actually impairs your ability to problem solve, you know, to solve your own problems from a lens that is uniquely grounded in your own ways of knowing, your own culture. Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (31:02.467)
Hmm. Hmm. Yes. So kudos to the sister, Miss Buchell.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (31:11.034)
Follow go follow her because she she I I can I would love to meet her in person. She's she she's astute, she's historically grounded, she's connected to the people, she knows the politics. I love that glint in her eye. Absolutely. Just wonderful. She did a great job. You could you could just see it. She could just she was like, I knew you were gonna stop me.

Adesoji Iginla (31:12.367)
Go follow up, please. Go follow up, please.

Adesoji Iginla (31:28.347)
You know she was up to mischief the moment she started speaking part one. You could see it like I know what you're doing. Yeah. So that said, we now go to we stay in the Caribbean, and for that we go to

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (31:45.176)
where is Comrade? I really wish she could come back.

Adesoji Iginla (31:48.003)
He's he's trying. He said he is he hope his stuff is not being bogged because he's been trying multiple times.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (31:55.803)
Well and the CIA and the FBI and the all the alphabets.

Adesoji Iginla (31:59.108)
Yeah. Yeah. So our next story comes from RFI, Radio France International, and it's that France finally recognizes its role in pesti pesticide harm across Caribbean Islands. France Parliament has unanimously acknowledged the state's role in a pesta pesticides scandal that continent contaminated most people in Guadeloupe and Martinique.

And have been linked to that and has been linked to cancer and other health problems. The vote marks a significant moment in a decades-long fight over Clodecone, a toxic chemical that continued to be used in the French Caribbean after it was banned in mainland France. The lower house of parliament voted in favor of a bill saying the state acknowledges its share of responsibility for the health-related moral, environmental, and economic harm.

Suffered by Guadeloupe, Martinique, and their population. The Senate has also already approved the measure. Kolde Kone also knows that Capon was used in banana plantations on the two islands from 1972 to 1993 to combat wevo. France banned it on the mainland in 1990, but continued to allow its use in Guadeloupe and Martinique for another three years, despite warning about its dangers.

More than 90% of the adults on the two highlands have been contaminated. my god. Your thoughts.

Adesoji Iginla (33:38.394)
Yes.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (33:39.438)
Again, we continue with the fact that we are still colonized people. The the the impact of colonial colonialism, we see it every single week that we discuss any of these stories. So

Adesoji Iginla (33:47.418)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (33:55.77)
Horizon, yeah.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (34:00.901)
Let's go back to what they said here. More than 90% of adults, 90% of adults on both islands have been contaminated. Linking it to prostate cancer, damage to the nervous and hormonal systems, and reproductive harm. So if 90% of the adults have been contaminated,

Adesoji Iginla (34:05.327)
A scent, yeah, of the of the two islands.

Can you imagine that?

Adesoji Iginla (34:19.707)
Productive. Yep.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (34:26.252)
And this contamination is going through the sperm, going through the egg. What do you think is the outcome for a hundred percent of the kids? And how does that affect their development when you're talking about damage to the nervous and hormonal systems? Listen, I want us to be very clear. When someone like a Roland Martin, who some of you may know, talks about fear of a of a black nation or a white rage and so on and so forth.

Adesoji Iginla (34:33.359)
Diff deformities.

Adesoji Iginla (34:39.493)
Cognitive, yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (34:53.049)
White fear or white fear.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (34:54.414)
Well wife here, you know, it's like we hear it and then it just becomes like commonplace. But what you see if you're paying attention historically is people who are deeply rooted in insecurity, who actually know us in their minds to have something that they don't, and who do everything in their power to limit us.

And so to the extent that in America, when you talk about the browning of America, now you see all this, no, well, not now, but I mean 2020, the same organizations that were like, yeah, we're pro-DEI and George Floyd and all of that, boom, flipped within four years. Complete opposite, right? You see the immigration,

Policies to make sure that not only do we keep out as many black and brown people, we kick out as many more as we can while we're imprisoning as many more as many as we can of the Africans, you people of African descent who quote unquote are allowed to be here. But no, no, we're we're even gonna find a way to denaturalize people. I mean, there's so much that is going on, and you gotta tie it back to this fear of black.

People. And so the more we even hear stories about the future of the world is Africa, by 2050, one in every four human beings is going to be African. Do you think that there are not some people who are sitting back and saying, we can't let that happen? So whether it's getting your health data so we can figure out how to better poison you all, whether it is banning

A product that you know kills people in your own country, calling the people of Martinique French citizens, but not looking out for their well being in the same way that you looked out for the white French citizens. Whether you look at mining and the death and all the ways that we are being poisoned right now, we need to wake up.

Adesoji Iginla (36:55.279)
Looking out for their welfare as you

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (37:12.632)
So let's get back to this place. They said for those of us who remember anything from chemistry class, and if you remember half-lifes, they said for this poison, chlorodicon, let me read it. It says it has a half-life of up to 400 years. Half-life, 400 years. So, how many generations are we talking about?

Adesoji Iginla (37:33.794)
And yes, yep.

Adesoji Iginla (37:42.563)
It's in the soul.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (37:42.949)
Before this thing is no longer. and then it gets better. Is there a criminal investigation? No. Because too much time has passed to secure convictions. wait a second. Didn't they still just put some Nazi on trial for killing Jews? But too many years have passed for them to investigate. Now

Adesoji Iginla (37:55.013)
Pasts, yes.

Adesoji Iginla (38:04.336)
Yep.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (38:12.44)
Okay, I I'm gonna try and make this really quick, but it it it's tying all of this together.

As they're writing this, they never talk about the fact that Guadalupe and Martinique that they describe as Caribbean islands and French Caribbean territories were act are actually French overseas departments. They are colonies.

Adesoji Iginla (38:34.277)
They used to be part of the plantation colony.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (38:37.796)
They are not talking about, yes, that the banana plantations were owned by these Urugu white Frenchmen and women. They're not talking about the fact that there still remains

Adesoji Iginla (38:47.205)
There you go.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (38:54.008)
Direct descendants of those slaveholders who used African slaves to grow those bananas that they made so much money from. They're called Beke, which I thought was really funny because in Igbo language, when you say my bquet, it's bquet is white people. So I don't know if there's I don't know if there's a a connection here in who named them beke. If it was the Africans who named them bekay, there's probably a a linguistic

Adesoji Iginla (38:57.467)
Who still hold?

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (39:21.646)
connection and see why we need to speak our languages. But anyway, these plantation families who are the direct descendants of the slaveholders continue to control that land. And they are the ones who continued to use that poison which they never touched because their workers use it. And their economic interests were being protected by France, which is why

Adesoji Iginla (39:22.107)
Connection, yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (39:38.339)
These chemicals.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (39:49.285)
They banned it in France, but not in these places that are technically still colonies. So now what do we do? They're talking about they should stop growing through hydroponics, rooftop planting. Come on now.

Adesoji Iginla (39:56.143)
Yeah, yeah.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (40:10.374)
How feasible is that for the vast majority of people in a poor area? Where am I getting the rooftop to start farming on the rooftop? And so I'm not even hearing where they're going to take any like any aggressive measures to figure out scientifically if there's a way to address the contamination of the soil and the water. This story, but I all I'm saying all of this to say.

Adesoji Iginla (40:13.275)
There's a

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (40:38.426)
Don't read any of these things in isolation. Like we need to make these connections. And their playbook is the same. They want to annihilate us. I don't care what y'all you don't have to agree with me. You look at all of the policies towards Africa, they want to annihilate and annihilate us, and you're not going to be exempt.

Adesoji Iginla (40:40.549)
Isolation. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (40:59.639)
And also, yeah, you can also tie it to the idea of capital. You have to protect capital at all points. If you've banned something in France for three years and only allow it to come into effect three years later, you're not looking out for the people. You're looking out for capital. Because obviously you can't allow them to lose money. And now the the leeway of compensation for it's not even being spoken about in the article, as you can see.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (41:28.752)
no, that's no compensation. You you deal deal with it and there's no f you're gonna get free health care. There's no we're gonna do any of these screenings. That nothing. Nothing.

Adesoji Iginla (41:40.214)
It's an acknowledg it's an acknowledgement we've done you harm and that's enough. So take it from there if you want to, but you're not gonna get anything else from the state. And so with that we've come to the mid midway point. If you're finding value, do consider liking, share, subscribe, joining community, and yeah, do all the good stuff.

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Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (42:21.562)
You know, some someone in the chat is saying if this information is so clear, why do we still receive from them? Because it is not so clear. Because so many of us are miseducated and disinformed, and so many of us are so caught up in this distraction, you know, whether it's now UFC. Imagine the nonsense that they're gonna be doing on on on in in front of the the their White House, or you know, the games or, you know, wife's or what is it, housewives of or hip hop or blubber.

And something and everything, but everything that distracts us from having knowledge and then being able to connect the dots.

Adesoji Iginla (42:58.883)
Yeah, I mean the question is if this is so clear, why do we still receive from them why? What is why? is that the headline or was he referring to? What's the person referring

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (43:11.246)
Just just in in in terms of the the conversation, I'm gonna assume in terms of the conversations that we're having and why we are still accepting from them. Because I mean, even now there are African farmers who are being sold, this seed is so great from here and this fertilizer is so wonderful from here, and we don't even know what it is that they're doing to us.

Adesoji Iginla (43:27.695)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (43:35.92)
I mean, you also can read into it. The reason why we do this is we also need a level of media education, which is the headlines can be misleading. Even if you read the entire body of the column, the historical context is often missing. They they like the sister explained earlier, they're not going to tell us that this Guadeloupe and Martinique used to be plantations.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (43:55.568)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (44:04.495)
We used to be French plantations. And the people who were there were previously enslaved. So for them, this is a continuum of what transpired before. If you can afford to poison the people and let them get away with it, this is what we're looking at. And so given that kind of lens is the reason why African news review ex you know exists. So that said, we yeah.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (44:31.492)
But before y I know you gotta get to the next story. I know, I know. Back to that Jamaican story. Just to to put the it's not a cherry on the top. It's actually to scatter the cake altogether. Again, if you understand pidgin English, you understand. Let's just scatter it all. Can you imagine that that same parliament that prays to the king has now asked the king

To and I think they covered it in the article a little bit, but we didn't touch on it. Has now asked the king to get the privy council to determine whether the enslavement of Africans was a crime. So you are asking the descendant of the people who kidnapped and enslaved and murdered your people.

To please tell you, please, sir, do you think that when you people stole us and used us to build your wealth and all those crowns and and jewels and your mother's crown and all do you think that that was a crime against us? Is is that what we're doing?

Adesoji Iginla (45:42.554)
Yeah, that's what we're doing. And I could readily give them the answer. The answer is in Michael Taylor's book, The Interest, where the British Parliament basically compensated the enslavers, you know, to the tune of forty percent of the national budget at the time. Everybody. No, no, no, they finished paying. That was yeah, they're done. That was two thousand.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (45:54.852)
Mm.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (46:02.181)
Wait a second, aren't they still paying that? I don't know how they pick finish. They're done now. No, but that was very recently.

Adesoji Iginla (46:08.665)
Yeah, two thousand and two thousand and five, yes, was the last payment. Yes. Yeah. Two thousand two thousand fifteen. Two thousand fifteen. Yeah, yeah, two thousand fifteen. Yeah, yeah.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (46:13.482)
pro two thousand? I was gonna say, I think it was more recent. They just finished paying back the dis so when people say, I don't own any slaves, I don't have any responsibility, but your the the descendants of those and slavers were still collecting their reparations off of the body and the blood and the sweat and the tears of your family members that has already enriched them.

Adesoji Iginla (46:31.193)
Yeah. Optylan including.

Adesoji Iginla (46:40.549)
Yeah. Up to

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (46:41.518)
And now you're asking them, Do you think it was a crime what you did to us when you have the power to be your own republic?

Adesoji Iginla (46:50.923)
But here's the here's the kicker. Here's even the kicker to that. When they pose that question to the king, right? They pose the question to the king that should he consider the royal house got compensation for its losing its enslaved persons. the Church of England did. the clergy does involve within the church.

People in the House of Parliament and also business people. So I don't know who the Jamaican Parliament are writing to with the hope that they're going to get some sort of recompense. So I know that's not gonna happen. So we can stop dreaming.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (47:31.812)
Okay, so just really quickly, the British government made the final payments to settle the loan it took out to compensate former slaveholders in 2015. When slavery was abolished in the British Empire in 1833, the government borrowed 20 million, around 40% of the national budget, 20 million pounds, to compensate plantation owners for the loss of their property. The original compensation claims were processed and paid out to enslavers between 1835 and 1843, largely under the slave country.

Adesoji Iginla (47:38.797)
Mm-hmm. Twenty fifteen, yeah.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (48:01.689)
Compensation Act 1837. However, the debt was financed through government bonds, specifically on dated guilt, that were so vast that they were only finally paid off by the UK taxpayers 182 years later in 2015.

Adesoji Iginla (48:19.875)
I mean, what else can you say to that? What else can you say to that? That is the British state for you. So good luck with getting compensation from them. You you can't king and country indeed. Yeah, king and country. that said, let's go to next story, which is from one island to another.

Major Island, we go to the eastern board of Africa, Madagascar. And it is that the race, and this news comes from Financial Times, it's that the race for rare earths sparks concern about environmental damage. Companies seeking to boost Western supply face legal and community obstacles. More than 6,000 people leaving.

near a mine in Madagascar are locked in a dispute with Rio Tinto. Rio Tinto is the huge Australian mining firm over alleged environmental damage linked to the extraction of rare health minerals. Key to modern industry. They've accused the mining group, subsidiary OI QIT, Madagascar's ministry minerals, of contaminating waterways with hazardous

materials including uranium through the extraction of ilemites used in paints and the rare earth mineral mozanites, which contains the which contains the radioactive elements. There is so much dot, said Claudine, a farmer in his 30s who did not want to give his full name. Don, a fisherman, said fish numbers in local river have fallen significantly. It is killing our children and killing everything around the mine, he told Financial Times.

The long-running dispute highlights the legal and moral risk facing companies as they intensify efforts to open rare earth mines, a push that has led to the rush of deals as the West continues to seek to loosen China's grip on the sector. So, this is not the first story we've done with regards to them. we've from one contamination story to another.

Adesoji Iginla (50:44.801)
One part of the world to another, what do they have in common? Black people. So, sister, what do you think?

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (50:54.864)
Can you can you go back and read the part of how they framed the issue?

Adesoji Iginla (51:02.721)
okay. the framing. The long running dispute highlights the legal and moral risk facing companies as they intensify efforts to open rare earth mines, a push that has led to a rush of deals as the West seeks to loosen China's grip on the sector. So, because China is doing this, it's okay if we kill off a couple of people.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (51:32.228)
Okay, and one of the things that I was researching is that there are actually safer ways that you can access these rare minerals. There's so many ways to address this issue. But of course, the safer way is not the Brazilians are actually using it. It's called what was it called? The Brazilian survey method, I believe, where you're not leaching the soil in the same way.

Adesoji Iginla (51:42.895)
How would you want to do that?

Adesoji Iginla (52:00.142)
Okay.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (52:00.827)
But of course, that cuts into your profit. And so capitalism by all means, whether we're talking about the enslavement of bodies, or whether now we're talking about still the enslavement of our bodies in in the ways that money is being extracted here. So what we see happening in this Annosi region of Madagascar, not the movie Madagascar,

Adesoji Iginla (52:05.595)
Profits.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (52:30.466)
Is really a continuation of a 500-year pattern, at least. The names change, the minerals we're talking about, the resources we're talking about might change. But the and the corporations might even change. But the structure stays identical. We strip

Adesoji Iginla (52:48.411)
Mm-hmm.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (52:51.01)
your items there's zero wealth transfer to the African people and we don't care what impact you're having on on we're having on the people and we can take just about any part of Africa right now I'm sorry to say but it's the truth and there are

Adesoji Iginla (53:04.954)
Yeah.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (53:08.996)
You will hear these stories. My parents happen to be visiting me right now. And I was just having a conversation with my mother because we are right off of the Atlantic Ocean. We're in river states where there's a lot of oil, the oil industry shell and all of that. And for years we talked about the pollution of the area. And so now people are talking about we don't even see the fish, the variety of fish that existed 10, 15, 20 years ago.

And then now we don't even see the quantities of the fish that we do can can even access. Now there are a lot of reasons to this, but pollution is at the is it's is right in the middle of all of that. And African countries that do not hold these corporations to any standards whatsoever. They can spill, they can pollute, they can extract, not build schools, no hospitals.

Adesoji Iginla (53:43.866)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (54:04.707)
Хоспітулс.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (54:06.25)
No, no, no infrastructure. You can imagine oil being pumped out of your land, but you have no electricity, but you have all of the residue and you have all of the contaminants. and so this story highlights something that is taking place across the continent, and wherever you find black people, quite frankly,

Adesoji Iginla (54:28.619)
continent and over time.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (54:36.91)
And so whether it's a colonial entity, whether it's whoever they now have sold their rights to, whether it's the US, China, whatever, Africans need to come together to figure out how we are going to fight this. And that is my major concern is that where's the sovereignty? Where's the consent?

Adesoji Iginla (54:54.883)
Mm.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (55:04.686)
Where are we having meaningful discussions where we're bringing our own scientists and you're not just listening to whatever they're telling you and you're saying, I hope this, you know, it works out.

So the history of African mining contracts tells us that those negotiations are never in the interest of the local people. And that has to change. Now, something else that I see sometimes they'll do is they'll have representatives from these organizations come to speak to quote unquote the local people. But it's like when we signed those treaties. We don't even know what the hell they're talking about because you don't have the expertise in the room.

What the article never asked is what percentage of Rio Tinto's profits from Madagascar flow back into the Malagasy schools or their hospitals or their infrastructure. And then this whole article, I know there's only so much they can do, but where's the African Union? Like who's fighting for the Africans?

Adesoji Iginla (56:06.267)
Good question. Good question. Good question.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (56:10.47)
And then when they're talking about the the article said that radioactive waste has been linked to increasing cases of cancer and other health problems, and then says regulators are underequipped, and then it moves on. So

Adesoji Iginla (56:27.801)
The fallout of that was

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (56:30.116)
Yeah. So how do we change the regulation? And let me tell you, the people who are trying to kill you are never gonna set this up. So this is up to us. So every time we do these stories, I'm just thinking, we need to be exposing our young people like, hey, yeah, go get that degree in chemistry. You go get this. And then we need to help plug them into organizations that will allow them to do meaningful work. Not just I got a job.

But how are we transforming this education to actually making a difference for ourselves? And to do that, we've got to get some of these African elites out of here because they simply don't care, are too egotistical. If you if you watch Women and Resistance last week when we talked about Elizabeth Toro, and she in her book, she goes through what EDN Men had set up.

And you can see that playing out in so many ways, by the way, here in the United States of America, where you just hire people who are loyal to you, but don't have an inkling about the work they're supposed to do. And that ends up being to the detriment of the regular people.

Adesoji Iginla (57:36.86)
I mean, one final point on this story would be the cases, series of cases that have happened here with regards to mining in not just mining, also when quote unquote the imperialists come in and they do all sorts of shenanigans on the continent. It would be the DLC Congo cobalt issue where they're fighting over the place, but regardless, cobalt still gets out, people are displaced and what have you.

You talked about Shell. Shell, in the course of which we lost Ken Saroa, when he and the Ogoni eight. Ugoni six? Eight eight. Is it eight or six? Keep forgetting. Yeah, Ogoni eight. They were executed November in the eight nineties, nineteen ninety six, ninety nine.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (58:12.303)
Yes.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (58:15.748)
Mm-hmm.

Eight, I believe.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (58:28.888)
No, I wrote an article on it. No, it was early. I wrote an article on it, I think in nineteen ninety three for for the college for the for the college paper. I've got to look it up. But yes, these these fights have been going on ongoing.

Adesoji Iginla (58:34.873)
Was it was it ninety three or ninety six?

Adesoji Iginla (58:40.249)
So so this is this is cases where people have stood up and decided, you know what, we're going to go toe to toe with these multinationals. Eventually.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (58:51.544)
Yeah, he he was executed in nineteen ninety five. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (58:54.243)
1995. Okay. So eventually they go to toe to toe with the mult. Yeah, they're going in nine. Eight more. Yeah. So they go toe to toe with the multinationals. The multinationals will deny, deny, deny. Eventually they'll pay compensation because profit, profit trumps everything. what's the cost? What are we gonna pay them? Pittance regard. But all these people are asking is clean up after yourselves. That's all. They're not saying don't do business.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (58:57.83)
They'll they're going to nine. Kim plus eight more, yes.

Adesoji Iginla (59:23.865)
Just clean up after yourself. One other one is

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (59:26.374)
Well we we we we have to do more than that. Again, understand that to the extent that America is calling itself a world power, to the extent that Europe became this industrialized area and all of that, was because they had our resources and they had our bodies. Go and read up everything that they have that allowed them to

Adesoji Iginla (59:34.074)
Hmm.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (59:52.579)
Industrialize and to grow and acquire all this wealth, and now America has all this money for weapons and all of that, was built off of the bodies and the blood of black people. The question, and and we have hardly anything to show for it. The question is now Africa's mineral minerals are going to power.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:05.017)
Hmm. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:16.441)
The next judgment.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:00:16.812)
All the 21st century vehicles, the wind turbines, defense systems, every the phones, all of that, all the technology is being powered from our resources. Are we going to benefit from it? Or again, are we going to be the fodder, the fertilizer for other people's quote-unquote advancement while we are?

for for further marginalized. We have to make that decision. Nobody is going to, nobody's looking out for us. And we shouldn't really, you know, because they they've proven they have no humanity, we shouldn't even expect that. So so many of us expending so much energy on, let me get them to like me or to know me or to listen. Go read the history. But what

What will happen to us in the next ten, fifteen, twenty years is dependent and and and beyond is dependent on the decisions that we're making now and how we fight back.

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:18.937)
Hmm. Hmm. Speaking of fighting back, a group of people have been fighting back in Algeria since 1960 up till today, with regards to the nuclear testing in the Algerian desert. I mean, they're still talking compensation even to today, 2026. Can you think? Now, the story we've just run now, the mining started a couple of years ago. the fallout is God knows when they will see compensation.

No talk of the one that happened in Martinique. That's it. we're nearly come to the end. we'll go to our last story, which comes from The Guardian, and we're going to your favorite part of the world, Kenya. and it's it's this one is actually very funny. we don't have another country to run, says Kenya. Kenya flares

US plan for Ebola quarantine site. People from the town of a potential site for US citizens exposed to Ebola says it put them at risk in a country with no known cases. And the story reads people from a town in central Kenya where the US wants to set up an Ebola quarantine facility for its citizens have strongly criticized the plan, saying it fares it will expose them to the virus, which is indicative of double standards on the part of the US.

Everyone should be quarantined in their home country. We shouldn't allow foreigners to bring us diseases, said Charles Matenge, a taxi driver who lives near La Kaipia Air Base, the proposed site in Naiuki, 120 miles from the capital Nairobi. Kenya is our country, and we should be careful with it. And where is it? The US plans to send 30 medical personnel to staff the Naiuki facility, which, if completed, will have 50 beds in previous Ebola outbreaks. The US has returned.

Affected countries home for medical treatment. And the U.S. Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, said on May 28th, the U.S. must keep potential Ebola patients out of the country. We cannot and will not allow any cases of Ebola to enter the United States. He said at the cabinet meeting. Last month, an American doctor who contracted the Ebola in the DLC was flown to Germany for care with his wife and four children. So

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:41.007)
Sounds like a very good plan. What's the point? I don't see any problem.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:03:48.016)
So first question I will ask right now is President Ruto.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:55.62)
Ha ha

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:03:59.695)
I mean, it's one after the other after the other. He's the one who committed Kenyan troops to go to Hayes.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:07.365)
Troops to Haiti, yep.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:04:11.93)
He's the one signing memorandum of understanding for health that his his hi his country is not even aware of, is not in agreement with. He's the one accepting

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:19.205)
Correct? Yeah.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:04:26.146)
deportees from the United States, right? Ghana did that as well.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:28.923)
Correct. Yeah.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:04:33.634)
So Rutel defends the plan but gives no account of how, when, or under what conditions this agreement was reached. Was this a side agreement to some other negotiation? What did Kenya receive in exchange for becoming America's Ebola buffer zone? Your people are saying we don't have Ebola here.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:42.755)
Is that necessary?

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:05:02.316)
Rubio, rightfully so, is looking out for his country and says, under no circumstances are we going to let someone with Ebola come into the US. And then you, as sovereign nation, say, sir, Masa, I want to protect your two people too. We don't have it here. But yes, we already gave you land for your base in our country. And now

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:28.143)
Yeah, you can come here.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:05:29.87)
You are going to be allowed to create an Ebola treatment center that, wait a second, is only open to American citizens.

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:39.255)
Yeah. Fifty beds.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:05:43.245)
On our land, tell me, will those people just like drop from the sky? Will they not travel somehow to get to that location? Will it be the 30 people the US is sending that will be the drivers, that will be the janitors, that would be the cooks? That would please tell me how you are going to insulate the entire Kenyan population?

From Ebola, and by the way, they contract it, they can't be treated at that center, because it's just for Americans, the superior citizen, the superior people in the world, except black Americans, be very careful because you might have to prove your papers. And if you're like Obama, you you you probably will not be allowed in there. It's absolutely ridiculous. So again, you see the colonialism, because here you have a supposed sovereign nation.

Supposedly in conversation with another sovereign nation, and you completely kau tao to their needs. And this location that they chose, it's right next to a base where their British Army, there's a British Army training unit. Remember, we've had multiple conversations about what these British are doing, and the fact that when they commit crimes in Kenya.

Adesoji Iginla (01:06:48.024)
Interest.

Adesoji Iginla (01:06:57.413)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:07:06.511)
You can try them.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:07:07.79)
You cannot, you cannot try them in Kenya. They you they get to go back home, and then you see if you can work it out with their home country for them to be prosecuted in any way. This is absolute madness. On this one, shame on you, Ruto. And thank you to all of those who are putting their lives on the line and protesting. Because if they hadn't, this place would already have opened without anyone knowing about it.

Adesoji Iginla (01:07:34.533)
Correct. Yeah. Because clearly he doesn't. I mean the fact that he is in agreement and has not even raised one

Adesoji Iginla (01:07:50.135)
one objection to it suggests it probably told him beforehand that you're getting a you're getting a clinic and there's nothing you can do about it. And probably just said, Yes sir. Yes, sir. Because

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:08:00.399)
Now, did you did you see in the article where it used this particular phrase, containment colony?

Adesoji Iginla (01:08:07.481)
Yeah. This is not the first time they've done it. country. A whole country.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:08:12.078)
You are going to take a whole nation, and that nation's president agrees with you for his country to become a container colony.

Adesoji Iginla (01:08:21.647)
Population. A content. Yeah. So again. what can I say? You sometimes we we think we have leaders, but instead what we have are puppets. And in this case, this puppet a I mean, it's one thing to be amenable to Western interests, but this

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:08:50.074)
Meanwhile, I haven't heard Rubio say we're sending resources to the DRC.

Adesoji Iginla (01:08:55.823)
No. What would you do that? They they've canceled the African.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:08:58.03)
We are putting our full efforts behind trying to contain and and heal people. I I haven't heard that.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:07.503)
They they pulled out, I mean, Rubio's government, Trump's government is pulled out of the World Trade Health Organization. They've also cancelled their USAID program. And so

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:09:20.836)
Ruto actually had the nerve to say that this quarr th this colony that they're creating, he said the American Ebola Quarantine Facility is a part of national health preparedness.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:28.517)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:38.521)
Abroad. Somebody else's country.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:09:41.018)
Brah, what are you smoking?

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:09:47.034)
It doesn't even make sense. Like this is why critical thinking is so important. Like who's who's national health preparedness? For you? How does this benefit Kenya?

Adesoji Iginla (01:10:00.432)
Who cares about what benefits Kenya? We're talking about America first. We're talking about an American first mindset. Kenyans are just simply canon fodder. If they get in the way and they there's they're lucky enough to benefit, fine. But the main idea is not we're doing it because of them. We've already told.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:10:21.678)
Remember remember with COVID, how there was this rush to let's get all the scientists we can working on this so we can get a vaccine as quickly as possible? And here you have a strain that has what a 50% mortality rate is what I understand, right? 30 to 50 percent. And you are basically saying you you said nothing about how we are employing scientists.

Adesoji Iginla (01:10:29.827)
And yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:10:36.219)
No, it's a rate, yeah. Correct, correct.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:10:49.604)
To get a vaccine to this bond buggyo strain of Ebola. There there's been no conversation about that at all.

Adesoji Iginla (01:10:57.741)
And it's not as if you don't have the expertise. You do. You have the expertise, you have the material resources. But again, like you said, Africa is going to be the future in 2050 2050. We can't possibly allow that to happen. So anything that we can do to slow down that growth, impede such progress, let's do it. This poison, mine, displaced people, Sudan.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:11:20.902)
Poison.

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:27.163)
you know engineer mass casualties elections uganda i mean chase people away from countries south africa we'll do anything we'll do anything as long as you guys cannot get to settle and think straight we'll do anything so yeah that said

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:11:51.655)
So I know we're we're over our time, but there there is a question in here. I don't know if you want to take a stab at it. It says, It just seems we can't get away from this colonial mindset with a materialist heart. Why can't we get this right? Like Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:57.199)
What's the question? What's the quote?

Adesoji Iginla (01:12:07.181)
Okay, quick one would be pretty straightforward. If you look at all the ex-colonies, and I'm not saying just the ones on Africa, even in the Caribbean, look and tell me which one revamped their educational system.

Adesoji Iginla (01:12:29.563)
I'll wait. None of them did. They inherited the educational system and kept it oil the machine and kept it going. In fact, now what they've even done now is they've added a private component to it. You've got the British International School, you've got the chartered school, where they're paying in dollars. I'm talking about Nigeria now. If you look in the Caribbean countries and

French speaking ones, you will find a similar type setup there. So until we capture the educational system, everything we do thereafter is basically just catching up. We're just catching up. We're just catching up. And the more and the more ingrained they are, the more neocolonial the country is. Classic case is Kenya.

Kenya is one of the most, when I talk about the elites, I mean the the youths now are coming to terms with it. But in terms of the elites, Kenya is the classic case of a neocolonial country. It does everything and anything anybody with a pale face comes to tell them to do. They just do it. There is no critical thinking, nothing. So.

Yeah. I was in Nairobi right before the election. Everything I had from people, Ruto was about the people. Ruto was never been about the people. He's been his classic refrain is he's a hustler. Reading to that what it means. He's a hustler. So Ruto is not is not pro people. So that said.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:14:21.51)
So so how why do the people then, when they had a a choice between Ruto and Odinga, how did they arrive at Ruto?

Adesoji Iginla (01:14:29.231)
Because Odinga had always been a socialist, and you and I know that word has been what's the word? Has been inflamed to mean a socialist, you're gonna is going to upset the apple cot, is going to destroy what capitalism has built. But then again, you see the same thing in the United States. Somehow we just get.

People to vote against their own very best interest and they do it time and time again.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:15:03.622)
So and and and therein comes in, you know, how how you market. So when you said he called himself hostler in chief, one of his claims to fame was, hey, I used to be a rural chicken seller and then I worked myself up. So I am for the people. I am for the people. But then you saw how he served as deputy president under Kenyatta. Kenyatta then broke off from him and actually supported Odinga for a reason.

Adesoji Iginla (01:15:16.187)
By the bootstraps, yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:15:24.719)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:15:29.295)
Dinga, yeah.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:15:30.714)
You gotta have that critical thinking to figure out what is the purpose here. But he adequately sold himself as I am the man of the people. I'm doing economics from the bottom up, all of that. Okay, now that you have seen who he is, what are you gonna do differently?

Adesoji Iginla (01:15:49.752)
And another thing is also it's difficult to get the power of incumbency in Africa is difficult to overcome. Once you are in power, you know the people to speak to on the other side. You could see the Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the the moment you are in power, you can start speaking to quote unquote the imperialist powers. They know you, so you become a trusted voice. And so

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:16:03.047)
Same here in the US. Yeah, same here.

Adesoji Iginla (01:16:18.873)
All they need to do is just get the power of the media behind you and they will just project you. They will deny the opposition that right of reply. You know, if anything comes and they will paint you in such a way that you become the poster child of what it is that is, quote unquote Western, in the eyes of the world. And before you know it, you are in power, you're doing their business, which is clearly doing that. And if he doesn't run a second time,

There is already someone who is going to take up this very mantle and do the same thing. And do the same thing. I mean, just look across the continent. You will always find a useful idiot. So hopefully the people at some point decide to do what is necessary, as Aikuyama would say. So that said, sister, any final thoughts?

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:17:17.678)
Sounding like a broken record at this time, but you know, thank you for always f doing the research to bring these stories to create this platform for established conversation. I know that I am

You know, I learned so much just in going back, reading these articles, connecting some of the dots, the little dots that I know. That's always why I want to hear from Comrade as well, because I learned so much more from him, and I'm sure that the viewers and listeners are learning as much as well. The next part for me is okay, now how do we implement this knowledge? What are we gonna do different? That's really important. But thank you for the work that you keep doing. And for all those walking, thank you.

Adesoji Iginla (01:17:56.24)
No, I'm humbled. get get to get to sit in every week and, you know, listen to alternative points of view. And also that means do much more reading because you can't stop reading. reading is the act of journaling.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:18:16.676)
You you you've gotta see my desk now. I have five different reading glasses. It's it's a lot. It's been a lot.

Adesoji Iginla (01:18:24.013)
I have a g I have a pair of yeah, yeah. I have a pair of glass around me so that there is one constantly.

Aya as Elizabeth of Toro (01:18:30.884)
mother's like, what are you doing? Celling glass. I'm like, well, cause if I can't find one, I got the other 'cause there

Adesoji Iginla (01:18:34.551)
No, you have to. You have to because if you lose one, then you're you're basically blind for a while. So yeah, that said, we'll thank everyone in the audience, typing in chat and you know, keeping us on our toes week in, week out. We continue to serve. And that said, in the course of the week, a Wednesday to be precise, 7 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.

on women and resistance, sister would show us tell us what it is to walk in the shoes of Mary Fields. That said, thank you for coming through. Until next week it's good night and God bless.