The Project: Kuwait

Psyched with Dr. D: Psyched with Dr. D: Mental Health in Kuwait VS the USA, Psychology and Psychiatry, CBD, Medical Marijuana, Ethics and Integrity, and How to Spot a Scam.

August 27, 2019 Season 1 Episode 69
The Project: Kuwait
Psyched with Dr. D: Psyched with Dr. D: Mental Health in Kuwait VS the USA, Psychology and Psychiatry, CBD, Medical Marijuana, Ethics and Integrity, and How to Spot a Scam.
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The Project: Kuwait
Psyched with Dr. D: Psyched with Dr. D: Mental Health in Kuwait VS the USA, Psychology and Psychiatry, CBD, Medical Marijuana, Ethics and Integrity, and How to Spot a Scam.
Aug 27, 2019 Season 1 Episode 69
The Project Kuwait
if you want to hear Dr [inaudible] go on a complete rant. Stick around to the end of the episode cause I seriously live up to being the shitster on this. You are, you always start trouble. But if you wanna get me going, I'll talk about the differences between psychiatry and psychology and all these other people that are acting like you know their profession in psychology and they're not. So if you want to understand about ethics, integrity, we touched on CBD and some of these people that are thinking that these drugs that are legalized or just like medication is a solver of all, it's not. You still need to take many, many different holistic approach to reach that meant the house. So listen up, learn and you can hear me ramping about things because Randy does that to me. And marijuana is not the solution for everything either. A CBD, Dr d goes on a full rant on that one. Yeah, this show is all rants. So everybody stick around. Do you have any questions, concerns or anything? Shoot us a DM. All this and more in today's episode. We're back. [inaudible]
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Speaker 1:                           00:01                     The Project Project Kuwait lit. Bless everybody. Welcome to this episode. And if you want to hear Dr [inaudible] go on a complete rant. Stick around to the end of the episode cause I seriously live up to being the shitster on this. You are, you always start trouble. But if you wanna get me going, I'll talk about the differences between psychiatry and psychology and all these other people that are acting like you know their profession in psychology and they're not. So if you want to understand about ethics, integrity, we touched on CBD and some of these people that are thinking that these drugs that are legalized or just like medication is a solver of all, it's not. You still need to take many, many different holistic approach to reach that meant the house. So listen up, learn and you can hear me ramping about things because Randy does that to me. And marijuana is not the solution for everything either. A CBD, Dr d goes on a full rant on that one. Yeah, this show is all rants. So everybody stick around. Do you have any questions, concerns or anything? Shoot us a DM. All this and more in today's episode. We're back. [inaudible]

Speaker 2:                           01:18                     no, you good? I'm recording it. You can't record it. I can't. I'm controlling everything. All right. I like [inaudible] control. I love this. So I'm back with another episode. Uh, as we are still on vacation and we're going to talk about general mental health here in the United States versus in Kuwait and the perceptions I guess. And CBD, I mean,

Speaker 1:                           01:41                     and CBD, CBD, I this, I've been here, I've been in Chicago, I hear nothing about CBD. And then the other day I was driving and there was the, some sort of a discussion about you know, better one is going to be legalized in January. This is the regular marijuana and marijuana or medication has already been legalized. And I just feel like people, this thing, this is like the solution for everything. I hope people are not walking around thinking, you know, if I have depression, I just do CBD or I take the, you know, medical marijuana and this, there are parameters and guidelines and I just feel like, wow, I cannot see you one more person. You're saying they're making it look like that. We don't need psychologists now. We don't need medication and not anymore. This is it. This is the solution. And it's really scary.



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Speaker 1:
0:02
The Project Project Kuwait lit. Bless everybody. Welcome to this episode. And if you want to hear Dr [inaudible] go on a complete rant. Stick around to the end of the episode cause I seriously live up to being the shitster on this. You are, you always start trouble. But if you wanna get me going, I'll talk about the differences between psychiatry and psychology and all these other people that are acting like you know their profession in psychology and they're not. So if you want to understand about ethics, integrity, we touched on CBD and some of these people that are thinking that these drugs that are legalized or just like medication is a solver of all, it's not. You still need to take many, many different holistic approach to reach that meant the house. So listen up, learn and you can hear me ramping about things because Randy does that to me. And marijuana is not the solution for everything either. A CBD, Dr d goes on a full rant on that one. Yeah, this show is all rants. So everybody stick around. Do you have any questions, concerns or anything? Shoot us a DM. All this and more in today's episode. We're back. [inaudible]
Speaker 2:
1:19
no, you good? I'm recording it. You can't record it. I can't. I'm controlling everything. All right. I like [inaudible] control. I love this. So I'm back with another episode. Uh, as we are still on vacation and we're going to talk about general mental health here in the United States versus in Kuwait and the perceptions I guess. And CBD, I mean,
Speaker 1:
1:41
and CBD, CBD, I this, I've been here, I've been in Chicago, I hear nothing about CBD. And then the other day I was driving and there was the, some sort of a discussion about you know, better one is going to be legalized in January. This is the regular marijuana and marijuana or medication has already been legalized. And I just feel like people, this thing, this is like the solution for everything. I hope people are not walking around thinking, you know, if I have depression, I just do CBD or I take the, you know, medical marijuana and this, there are parameters and guidelines and I just feel like, wow, I cannot see you one more person. You're saying they're making it look like that. We don't need psychologists now. We don't need medication and not anymore. This is it. This is the solution. And it's really scary.
Speaker 2:
2:28
Well, it's like, it's like everything is human beings. We find something that has a little bit of good to it. We bastardized the hell out of it. We attach it to everything else saying, oh, this is the one all be all cure everything. Everything. And in reality it's good for specific things, but like anything else in life and once you abuse it, it has no effect. I mean it's, it's like any, it's like anything, if you take 200 milligrams of Panadol, you know, your body gets used to it, it adapts, then you have to take two 50 and 300 and 400 and 500. And I CBD,
Speaker 1:
3:01
um, I got it from a really good source. It's like a little, uh, oil and a drop bottle. And you know, you just put a couple drops under your tongue and it's not, it has no THC. So you don't get, you know, there's no hallucinogen effect. There's nothing. And it's basically, it's like I said, it's Ibuprofen, you know, like a 600 milligram Ibuprofen. You know what I mean? Like kinda relaxing. You calming you down if you have pain, it subsides the pain a little bit. I used it for sleep cause I have issues with waking up in the middle of the night. So I tried it. Hey I tried it, she tried it, she felt refreshed and everything. She went out, killed her workout the next day I tried it, I went out and when I worked out all times I felt like crap. Like it just didn't, not, it didn't, it didn't function well with my body personally.
Speaker 1:
3:45
So I know I have seen the accident but I've seen more people here like rub it on their joint or with sleep actually. Yeah, I mean CBD. Okay. I mean it sounds to me, but the thing is the idea of what really concerns me and also in Kuwait, because there are some people are all are getting to CPD, whatever be mailed to them, whatever the ideas is that I feel like most of the time people now they are getting the sense that all, you know I don't need to talk about my problem. This is the same problem we're going to have with we know when we started medication. So the idea is is that many cases like the tropic medication and is supposed to help you with your biological factors or know their transmitters to stabilize them. But it doesn't really take away the problem itself.
Speaker 1:
4:33
And a lot of times I'll get clients that are like started medication maybe a year ago. And even if the psychiatrists have said, look, this is just the medication where we can help you sleep or we can minimize your phrenic or psychotic, but this doesn't take away the stress that you are experiencing. So you need to really go talk to someone to be able to deal with this stress, time management, whatever. And then, you know, a year later they've depended on this medication thinking that this is going to solve my problem. And then they come to me a year or two years later saying, you know, I still have the problem, uh, I'm numb now. I don't want to take medication. The medication is numbing me. And they've emphasized so much on taking the medication. They didn't even really deal with it. They get physically dependent on that medication to like their bodies, don't they go through withdrawals?
Speaker 1:
5:19
I mean, well of course I went through really bad withdrawals and ended up in the hospital. And do you know why though? Because you know, to give it credit, I mean, medication, I'm not supposed to be addictive because they're used in a certain way that people are getting addicted is because they're overusing it and they're not using their medication the way that doctor has told them. So as you get these people that start taking the medication, for example, let's say you, they are given a certain type is certain a milligram that they gotta take them. Sometimes they take them two times a day, sometimes three times a day. And then these people like, you know, so that say their depression hasn't like gotten. So they act like, you know, what's these faces? Sometimes I wonder like you know, I mean you are not the doctor.
Speaker 1:
6:03
Why are you making these decisions? So they decide I'm going to skip the third one or no, let me give a little extra in the morning. The afternoons. That way I don't take, there's done cocktailing on their own without really discussing it. And then before you know it, they become addicted because now they've got used to like using and you know, and I was like, Gosh, is this giving you a certain milligram? They're giving it to you because they know your capacity, your weight, you know all these calculation that goes into it. And this is what worries me now with this marijuana is people that are starting to add, sit on doctors and there's signs, act like, you know, this is something that is really going to help me. They're going to overuse it and they're not ever going to deal with the problem. And they're going to start to become dependent again. So the ideas is that most people might disagree with me because they're supposed to be these like, you know, these are like medical marijuana now you're not supposed to get dependent on it. I understand. But it's not only dependency biologically is we're talking about psychological dependency where you feel like you need to have this thing in order for you to sleep. And that's when the medication becomes addicted is when you start thinking that I need to have my pill to sleep.
Speaker 1:
7:12
When I came to Chicago, you have jet lag. Right. And for me it's like I can't stand it like, but when I come here I don't have as bad as when I go because it ruins my routine. So this is a big thing for me. Right. So I hate like going back or coming because then I don't want to spend time sleeping. So I'll take like the sleeping pill for example. I realized that when I first came, so I tell my, someone's just going to take it a couple of times and sometimes like I even have to half a Xanax. I'll take just so I could sleep you. I want to get up early as everyone else, like I always do. And then I realized that, you know, I'm starting to take it even when I don't need it. Like I'm sleeping fine. Why am I taking this?
Speaker 1:
7:45
Right. And then this really tells you how I was starting to become dependent. It's either on this, you know, half a pill of Xanax or whatever sleeping pill that I have with me because I feel like I need it in that because I can't sleep. And then I was telling myself, but hold on. I took it the first day, the second day, okay fine. And then after that my, my routine goes back, coming here, it to be an in the states, it's easier for them. And then I was saying, why am I taking it the third and fourth times this time? Why? I'm telling myself that I can't sleep when I really can't and this is what people do. Let me tell you, 80% of the patients that I see in Kuwait, this is what it is. And they're starting to take this medication because they think that they needed sleep or they think that they, and they are not following the doctor's orders, so they become dependent on it.
Speaker 1:
8:26
And then by one year, two years, I get people saying, well, I thought that my mom was going to go away. I thought it was a biological problem. We all know psychological problem is not just biological problem. We know that it has something to do with the environment, the stresses we experienced with our relationships, you know, it is obviously there is something else that got you there. And now I'm really here. I come back to the u s and everyone's talking about, oh, this is the answer for all the marijuana. No, in Illinois it's legal everywhere is pretty much, look, I, I'm not against it. I just feel like people really need to understand why you're using it. It's not going to solve your problem. This is minimizing like for you, you took it to sleep. So there's a purpose. I feel like people have to, while they forget the purpose of why were you on it?
Speaker 2:
9:13
No a hundred percent. It's just like, I mean, people can be dumb I think. And when they fall the masses, they're even stupider. It's the sense of they'll do something just to do it and just to follow suit when in reality you don't know how these different drugs will affect your body. Like marijuana could be beneficial for one person and it can be extremely toxic for another and you could have a toxic reaction, like extreme anxiety, fear, all kinds of things can come in just from that one drug. And the same thing with CBD. CBD did not work well with my body. It just didn't fit. And, and I did my research beforehand, but everybody is different. Not One size fits all. And I think that's one of the bigger things. And when you,
Speaker 1:
9:54
I have a patient back in Kuwait that got some, I don't know, it was mailed to them or whatever. [inaudible] marijuana. CBD. Okay. So not even marijuana. It'd probably bringing, I mean, you know, everything but CBD and just general these, um, he had told me that he had it mailed and he got it. I mean whatever way. I don't know. I don't, I don't really ask these details cause I don't want to have anyone from Mason.
Speaker 2:
10:18
Well C see CBD is legal. It's legal in Kuwait. No because they have hemp milk. I mean when you walk into Safeco or salt on center, sometimes I'll see hemp milk or you know, pro subproducts of marijuana plants like hemp milk or hemp, whatever. So I mean CBD is literally a derived oil from the plant without the t
Speaker 1:
10:41
are using it there. So obviously they're able to get it and if it's legal or not, I mean until I guess the government finds out that the is being mailed. So anyways, he gets his mailed whatever and then they say, the thing is is that before he got access to it, he was like, you know, he was giving me this whole story about, you know, when I have it because he tried all this medication. He has a lot of other issues and he just doesn't want to understand that there are underlying issue that you're not facing. You're the doctor and you're saying, look, I don't really think, I think this is going to be another one of these things that you've been doing. What is going to Nome you about things? No, no, no doctor, you don't understand this. CBD Oil is the cure of all.
Speaker 1:
11:19
So fine. He got it and then I was like, okay, fine, so now you're going to be less anxious. So he has anxiety, he has a lot of stress and I think he's got other underlying issues that he hasn't addressed. And I said to him, okay, so now you got it. Oh, you know, so he uses it on a regular basis. Sometimes it helps sometimes and then now he created this image. This is going to be the answer, right? I'm going to feel much better. I'm going to have better symptoms. I finally will be able to do many things and it doesn't even go that way. You know when you set up yourself and believing that this is the ingredient that has all my answers, obviously you going to be disappointed. So I use like, it's like, dude, it's fine. It's fine. Dog quit. You know, it's still not working as much as I want to.
Speaker 1:
12:01
I'm going like, okay, how much more can you use of it? You can be taken a bath in it. This guy's like 24 seven and it's not working because obviously there's something else. People really need to educate themselves that when you're using this medical marijuana, it is used for a purpose. So when you've got a provider that gives it to you, or when you have CBD and you using it for a particular purpose makes sense. But when he's down to ad like this is, you know, this is going to be the chore of All. That's when scares me. I mean the other day I was talking to my friend who is also like this, he was like, I was like saying to her, you know, I missed the idea of like working in the, in the hospital and because you know, that's what I did a lot until I, until I went back, I went to Kuwait and honestly she's like, Juliet is not the same.
Speaker 1:
12:46
You know, nowadays is like, you know, psychologists are not allowed in the hospital. They want to do more outpatient. And Angie, what she's saying is that, you know, mental health, the view of mental health or view of psychologist has changed and that people don't really see a very, um, aspect of it or important to it. And I was like, really? It's like, yeah, like, like we said is like some people are not minute. They're minimizing the importance of these mental illnesses and your mental health and how you should, instead of thinking that there's a magic in these drugs that you have to think about. I mean, I, I mean it's the same thing as like diet and exercise, let's just, because you are so much intense. Like, you know, I have a trainer here and so she, the first day she met me, she gave me a whole like, um, the a menu meals that I have to eat, which I am told bad about. And so I don't follow some on vacation. Right. But stills, you told me all the things I should keep, I should leave, whatever. Yeah. So for me, I'm like, you know, I cannot lose weight if I'm just going to exercise. Obviously it's exercising. Is Diet right? Is keep moving. You know? I mean there are many things that keeps people fit.
Speaker 2:
13:50
Yeah. So you get along with the mental, along with the mental aspects. If you're not writing the head for it and you don't want it mentally in that need, isn't there presenting itself, you're not going to stick with it. You're not going to stick with the program and you have to go to the deep root. You know, you have to go to the root cause of why you're overeating or why you're being, you know, sedentary for most of the day. So,
Speaker 1:
14:09
oh, and why you don't have self-discipline. So I you, so if I don't lose weight, by the time I go back to Kuwait, I can't go tell my trainer, you know, all, you know, you didn't do your job because I can't there. I mean, I'm realistic. It is not just working out, working out for me. It's more than just like really losing weight. It's Tony, it's different from you. I mean you, this is your lifestyle for me. I do it because it gets the energy might, you know, get stressed out. It keeps me moving and I'm getting olders on and make sure that also feel fit and be Rhett, you know, be young enough to be, you know,
Speaker 2:
14:38
you're still young, you're still young doctor. You're very young. You're still very [inaudible] according to my, it's
Speaker 1:
14:45
funny nine for a long time. But, but do you see that, I mean even in your field, there's a lot of other things like sat there for an hour explaining to me it's workout. These are the Diet, this is what you need to do. She gave me a plan. So mental health is the same way. You know, the prospective people that need to understand is mental health is not just, I'm depressed and it's not because I can sleep. So I'm depressed. I just need a medication. It doesn't work that way. You go to a psychiatrist for medication, you've got to be able to talk about the root of the problem that caused you to be depressed. You know, unless you were born depressed, which genetic, you know, it's another show we have to do genetically. People are genetically predisposed to, so they have genetic genes for depression.
Speaker 1:
15:27
Yes. But you have stressors that trigger that. Right. People need to really understand it is a, you know, a multi thing that's going to get you to be better at mental health. And, and it said, you know, at first I was thinking, oh, Americans have a lot more better view of mental health because when an exist and people are, they're not ashamed of going to a psychologist, not like us as a stigma. So people come to you and they don't want anyone else to know. But I'm also a restart to realize that, you know, it's uh, it's here, people are like running around trying to get quick fixes just as much as, you know, we're doing Kuwait. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
15:59
Every commercial, every commercial when I watch TV here is like Zoloft, Xanax, whatever it is, you know, like, it's amazing how they're always just trying to pump out drugs to fix the problem rather than look at like the causes of the problem. Like, I mean I have one of my friends, high blood pressure, heart problems and he's popping a pill every day when in reality it's like, dude, if you drop 50 pounds and you just lead a better lifestyle, you're going to be better off versus what he's doing right now, which is all eating crap basically not moving enough and that's what's causing his issues. So it's like dude, like why aren't doctors addressing this? Some doctors are like right now you're getting some holistic, you know, doctors that will look at everything and they'll be like, look, this is what's causing this. You know, this is the root problem.
Speaker 2:
16:49
Let's fix this here. And sometimes it's diet, whatever exercise. And they get to that fixed later on. Like I had high blood pressure when I was overweight and I knew why I was overweight. You know, it was like, it was a, you know, one plus one equals two, that was it. But some people don't see it. And I think doctors here just as much to blame as people. Like in Kuwait right now, doctors are like pushing out pills for everything and it's an operation for everything. Physically I'm talking about, you know, cause that's, that's, you know, when I tore my labor room, five doctors in Kuwait were like operation operation. One doctor in the states who I followed was here's your rehab program. So I'm going to give you a shot of cortisone and do this rehab for three months. If you can swing a baseball bat, you're good to go. If you can't come back, reevaluate it and then you might need surgery. And guess what? I did physical therapy, I still have full range of motion and my shoulders have been the strongest they've ever been in my life. So it's sad you think because
Speaker 1:
17:50
we have become a society of quick fix. So when you're watching it, so when you're watching commercials and there are no commercials about like you know how you're your problem, the core of the problem has a lot to do with something under line that you haven't faced. But you know, the quick fix is that take medication. So most of the commercials is about, you know, kind of like wishing medications so you can make money off of it. The pharmaceutical company, when they're trying to give you messages, I mean can you imagine what eight and nine year olds and 10 year olds are watching TV? They're seeing, they're seeing that you know there is a solution to your problem which is medication or drugs, right? There is no education to the idea that, you know, so most of them think that I'm going to take this medication and I'm going to feel better and then they're disappointed because when they take it for a year or two years, the problem is still there.
Speaker 1:
18:41
Now you might feel a little, like I said before, numb or relaxed or you know, you could sleep a little better but it doesn't take away. I think it's because we have become a society of like quick fix. Why do you think all these like plastic surgeries and you know here in Kuwait is increases in Kuwait a lot because why again is the same mentality. You get this person who was like overweight and they think, well, I just got to go do a surgery, I'm going to be wonderful. How long does that last? I mean, you've seen people like that one year, two years. And I've got people that like did this like sleeve or whatever, they, you know, all these types of different things. And then first year, two years, third year they look great. And then what happens? They started gaining the weight other places, right?
Speaker 1:
19:23
Because they've never understood the idea. This is just part of the program. If you order for you to keep your weight, you gotta eat right, you gotta exercise, they don't meet with dietician, you don't learn these things. So the quick fix is that for the first two or three years I look wonderful. And then after that, you know, most of the people that really keep the weight off after these surgeries are the ones that have learned to exercise and they diet and they really maintain a healthy lifestyle. They know how to deal with. And the ones that you learn that gained weight are, who are the ones that thought this was the answer for all, and then they realized it, oh no, I'm gaining weight and they don't know what to do about it. So with mental health as the same way, yes, we have all these extra help now that medical marijuana helps.
Speaker 1:
20:11
CBD Oil might help, but you've got to understand your underlying problem or you'll never gonna get over the state. Seriously. I mean, I'm very passionate about this because it pisses me off. I'll get someone that has been having this problem for the last two years. All right. And because they thought that when they went to the psychiatrist, the psychiatrist gave them medication and they thought this was all they needed to seriously. And then after two years they come to you and they want me to solve their problem in one session or two. And how can I do that when you have, I mean, we all know early intervention is the best solution in anything cancer.
Speaker 2:
20:49
It's 100% and just a note on the psychiatrist in, Oh my God, we're probably going to get shot on this show for what I'm about to say. Psychiatrist treat patients like mushrooms. They feed them shit all day and keep them in the dark. All right. That's my opinion on a psychiatrist. Okay. They just, they keep feeding their, their client's psychiatrist.
Speaker 1:
21:09
I mean, well [inaudible] medical doctors, their job is [inaudible]
Speaker 2:
21:12
but a lot of them, a lot of them that are just overmedicate. I think people walk around overmedicated all the time and it's just like what you talked about with the fitness stuff. And I was telling you about this and I said, I want to bring hay on the show to talk about the body image stuff and you know, we decided we're going to do next time. But that commercial, it's still resonating in my head of how these assholes can say, oh, you got to fix what's in your head first. And then 30 seconds later they're rolling out. Oh. And by the joy box, which could, you know, a whole bunch of makeup and it's like, dude, what are you preaching? You know, like if you're saying love yourself, fix yourself, great. You know, love yourself for who you are. That's it. Yeah. Like I think, I mean it's true and it's very rare. I mean a lot of my friends are psychiatrists and I don't wanna, you know, say anything bad about them cause I love them all. But let's be honest, I'll talk bad about the door.
Speaker 1:
22:04
I those just be honest. They are medical doctors. What does that mean? That they have been trained to take, give medication. So the idea is is that, you know, I've, I mean like I had this psychiatrist who I liked and I mean I lie, I liked a little bit now, but not as much. He's starting to talk a lot about therapy and he's dying to mention that, you know, therapy is not as good and that yeah, now you didn't say it's not good, but he was in a way in one of his talks kind of making it look like minimizing the idea of psychotherapy. And he's saying, you know, we all know that mental illnesses is genetic, which means that it has a lot of biological trait to it, which means that you need medication to be able to happen. So he wasn't saying anything, but pretty much he was saying that it's not going to help you if you talk about your problem because if you have genetic disposition and your family, the anxiety or depression psychotherapy is not going to help you. Okay. I mean that's, that's what he was saying.
Speaker 2:
22:56
That's it. Sorry, not to cut you off. That's really interesting from your [inaudible] that anyways, because he's my friend friends,
Speaker 1:
23:02
but I was like, you know, I mean in a way he's being, you know, he's saying what he's trying to say is he's pushing genetic, which is fine. A lot is like, I definitely believe in genetics, which is fine. I'm not minimizing genetic, but it's not, it's like that nature versus nurture bite. Right? Is it really biology are you who you are because of your genes? Are you who you are because of your environment? And this is something I tell my students all the time. We cannot say it's one or the other. They both work together and then when you've got people standing there who are admirable and people listen to them and then you give a whole talk about how genetics and all this new research about genetics, it's true. Didn't ethics play a part but you cannot minimize if you've got people like are minimizing the importance of a psychology and importance.
Speaker 1:
23:45
You working on your problem, of course people are not going to take you serious and of course they're going to look for, so before it was medication, now let's look for marijuana, right to go back to this discussion and then it's like it bothers me. It's like it's fine. Do all that. Like when I go work out, I work out, I do different steps, different things. My body legs need a different workout. Today I learned that workout and your arm. Then you bet I've got different parts that I want to work on, which means that they are different routine. It's the same kind of thing. And I don't know, people can go workout, do all of that. But when you come to the therapist and say, look, it's not just the medication, you really need to start talking about why you can live on medication for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1:
24:24
They're bombarded by idea of like we gotta talk about cities and then you know, so yes. So what's the so psychiatrist, I know the idea is that now there are songs like Carter's just like, you know, nowadays in Kuwait, at least here it's been in existence for a long time. Once, like I just worked with a psychologist. So they have that holistic take because here they're allowed to, in Kuwait, it was only several years ago that they allowed psychologists to be what's like trust. A long time ago when I first moved to Kuwait, I wasn't allowed to work with a psychiatrist, which I was like, what? Oh, you know, when I, and in Chicago I worked with a psychiatrist, you know, we work together for, it's the idea that's how it is. People go to medication, then they come talk to you. And then so now allow, most all psychiatrists have a psychologist, but still it doesn't mean that they really believe in psychotherapy to be honest.
Speaker 2:
25:10
Wow, that's, that's scary. That's actually, that's, that's really sad because it just kinda tells you like what the medical field is doing now. And you know, like a lot of people have been preaching gut health for the last five years that your gut is connected to your brain and you know, these medicines alter your gut microbiome. And I'm sure we can bring meg on the show and she would like dive into this even more because that's her thing, gut health. And it's like, all right, if they don't believe in this, then they probably don't believe in gut health, which means they don't believe in a lot of other things. I kind of couple into each other, which is, that's kind of scary, you know, that's that you, you know, you're, you're far and few between, you know, in between like a lot of crappy, you know, psychologists or psychiatrists out there, you know what I mean? Like it's going to be difficult for people to find a good ones. Yeah. Like it's going to be difficult for me to find a good one. Yeah,
Speaker 1:
25:59
but the ideas is that you cannot give this perception. Like when people come to me, I never say no, no, don't take drugs. I never do that. Like don't take medications. There are certain, I mean I truly believe there's certain disorders that require medication and they need a medication treatment plan. I understand that. I never have someone in there and I say, oh no, no, no. If someone comes into me, most of the time people come to me and say, I don't want the, I ask them, would you like medication? Do you want something because this might help you. I give them that education. They never say like, oh no, no, don't take medication or don't go to psychotherapy. People need to really start realizing that everything benefits is not a one or the other. So you know when you are struggling with mental health, when you have a mental disorder, you, you've got options.
Speaker 1:
26:44
It's like that trainer was teaching me, you've got an option of how you can eat and there's option of different exercise that you got to do. So there are many things that she wants me to do if I want to get to the ideal, you know, weight or body fat or whatever. So, and this mental health works the same way. You go to a psychiatrist if you don't want medication. First of all, like I tell people, if you don't want a medication, why don't you go to psychiatrist? Because most people don't know the difference between psychiatrists and psychologists. Can you believe that? Which 21 century, fine. Then I say, you know, I don't want medication, but they'll go to the psychiatrist and then they get mad at the psychiatrist because the psychiatrist just gave them medication, right? And then I say, fine, you don't want medication.
Speaker 1:
27:23
People have the right to choose. You don't want medication. I think you need it for these symptoms, but you don't have to have, it's fine. Then we'll talk. Well, let's, for me, I say, give me five sessions. Let's talk about what it is. Let me give you some tools. If it doesn't work out, then you need to go see a [inaudible]. We need to give people option and we need to educate them. Psychiatrists for medication. I mean they do talk of course, and they've got a lot of skills and they're trained and then psychologists do certain things. You need a nutritionist, like a holistic approach, you know, sometimes equate. I feel like people are like, they feel competitive. Like you know, you're taking the work from them or like this is not the way it is. I'm, I want to do the best I can do for my client.
Speaker 1:
28:03
This is my goal. This is why I'm there. So if it means that he needs a dietician, he needs an exercise. Like there's not all, you'll be happy with this. And that'd be, there's not a person that comes to me that I don't see. You gotta work out three times a week for 30 minutes, even if you're walking. I don't allow people to stay with me if they're not exercising because I know it's a very important aspect. I mean, why can't other doctors do the same thing? Go to a psychiatrist and then they tell you, look, you've got to see a psychologist. You have to like, this is what we need to do. People need to understand that we're not competitive. We are all working together and it saddens me. And now with Ms Marijuana thing, oh my God, they're not going to see a psychiatrist or a psychologist. What they're gonna do is sleep at the desk dispensers.
Speaker 2:
28:48
I know, right? It's funny you bring that up. I mean just tying it back into like the fitness industry, so to speak, confidence is such an important aspect of someone's profession. And if you're not confident enough to recommend someone to go to someone that specializes in a specific training modality. For instance, like me as a baseball coach, I specialize in catching. I was a catcher. Yeah, that's what I know and I could do a hundred times over and I've gotten people that come up to me and you know, cause I can pitch to and they're like, oh, we want you to teach my son how to pitch. I'm like, look, this guys better go to him and I would recommend that person or if someone comes to me to be their fitness coach, I would definitely recommend a nutritionist. I would also recommend a physiotherapist and then I would be like, okay, well you know, if it's in my realm I'll handle your, you know, your programming so to speak, versus, oh no, I'll do your nutrition, I'll do this, I'll do that, I'll do this. And trying
Speaker 1:
29:42
to be a jack of all trades when you're just, you know, you know, turning yourself into an idiot in my opinion. Because I think people feel like they devalue themselves if they recommend someone who is specialized in it, it kills me as a psychologist, you know, I, of course I've been trained to work with a lot of people, but I don't do children. So you know, a lot of times people recommend me, you know, like I'll, I'll have this pediatrician, she always refers the kids to me. For example, I know how to do psychological tests obviously. I mean that was the first diagnostic training I did in school. I work with someone that is her specialty, why would I, so whenever I get these referrals, I do the intake and I say, listen, I don't see kids. I only see adults, young adults in college and above.
Speaker 1:
30:30
I don't see this, but I'm putting you in a good hand. I mean she works with me in the office, just great person. I want you, but I'm here if you ever need me. And if you feel like you didn't get what you need, please contact me. I give them my number, but it's not my specialty. Why would people want to pay to come and see me to work with their kids when I'm not? This is not my area. It's the same thing as substance abuse. I'm not a substance abuse counselor. I know how to deal with them. I can work with them, but I'm not as trained as someone that has spent most of their life tray learning how to deal with substance abuse. I'm not a substitute. So when someone comes to me with these issues and with their addiction, I refer them out.
Speaker 1:
31:09
This is what we do has nothing to do with, I'm not a good psychologist. I'm good at many other things, right? So when, you know, but people don't do that. So they'll go to them and they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I could do this. I could do that. No, they can. You know, and this is what you really, we need to be aware of this. So mental health, you know, you got to educate them. This is not my area. This is, you know, I don't do this. I do this. When someone comes to me and says, I want medication. I don't do medication, but I worked with a great psychiatrist. You can go to him. This is the way it's supposed to be. But when you've got people that are like competitive and making it look like their field is better than the other person's field, we're confusing the population.
Speaker 1:
31:46
To be honest, I don't feel, I don't feel minimized because I just said I'd like someone. Can you imagine? I was like, God says, I trained a trainer, train me before we end the show, Dr Tinker rent, because I haven't heard one in awhile. What is your opinion about a very intelligent individuals who go obtain a certificate or something over a weekend, they come back, they say, okay, you know, I'm a certified life coach or a certified mental health professional or certified this and they've got drive literally crazy two hours. Like, no, no, no, this pisses me off. And you know, and not to minimize what people have done like, but when you get a certification that you're a coach, then you're a coach. All right, you're not a psychologist. What bothers me is that now with the social media, when you go on Instagram, you've got all these people like you know, the coaching for this and coaching for that, you know, I need, people need to really understand coaching is for like people that are doing Ricky and people that are doing like yoga and whatever.
Speaker 1:
32:56
It doesn't matter. Now again, it's a holistic approach, but they're not doctors. And it really bothers me that someone was, you know, will come to me and say, Oh yeah, you know, I go to this culture because I am working on some, like for instance, for example, please explain to me how, uh, how his cultures know how to diagnose. Diagnosing is something that you, it took me a whole to a coach though because a coach is a word or a term thrown around 72 hours. You go on the weekend, you get a certificate and suddenly you're a coach and you're a positive coach. And I don't know what a life coach, and I don't know what these things, but to be honest, there's a thin line between what they can do and what I can do. And then when you got coaches that haven't really been trained and suddenly now they're diagnosing, they're saying this person is depressed, this person has anxiety, they're not trained to diagnose and they're not trained to work on clinical issues.
Speaker 1:
33:51
They are life coaches. You know what that means that you've got a particular issue, right? And you are supposed to just deal with that particular. So like when you go on Instagram and everyone is like advertising, I'm a coach on this, on that, please. It really bothers me because I am not planning, I'm not a trainer. I train, but I'm not a trainer. I don't do prescription. I cannot talk to people about their stomach problem. Why are people coming around acting like, you know, I'm a coach and then they selling their business, making people believe that they can solve all their problems. They can't and you know everyone. And, but again, again, it's the idea of like, people feel minimized if you say to them, well, you're not a psychologist. Like, you know, I know, I mean like I was trained in the u s like if, if someone would've called me a doctor when I wasn't a doctor, my supervisor would have gone crazy.
Speaker 1:
34:40
You're supposed to correct them. You're supposed to say your intern, you're training, you're this because you don't want to give people, you know, I'm misunderstanding of your qualification. And then here we've got people, I mean, in Kuwait, a lot of these people are not educated on these fields. And that's what we're doing. We're trying to educate them. So it's just like I tell my students, you have to understand what psychologists means with psychiatrists mean what is the life coach. I'm not minimizing them, but each of them is trained to do specific things. So to come and pretend that you're a life coach, but then you're supposed to be looking like a psychologist. That's not right because we've gone through a lot of training to be who we are and you know, you get these certificate, then you should honor that certificate and stay within the realm of what you learned in the certificate.
Speaker 1:
35:27
But then you know people, everyone thinks that they can be a psychologist. Seriously, everyone thinks they could be. If I could anything, our job is easy and they think we just talk and that's it. It's not true. So my recommendation for people that are looking for help, please look into people's qualification. You want medication, you got to go to a psychiatrist, someone with an MD, you want a psychologist where you can work on in-depth clinical things. You go to psychotic, you just have an issue of making a decision about your job. Should you change it or not go to a life coach? Is that, that's summarizing it. Really?
Speaker 2:
35:58
Yeah. That was a good rant. That wasn't good or no, just just lose weight. Go to a go to bed. Oh No, no. I wouldn't even take that off. But to just talk about the fitness part for one second. There are a lot of people that will categorize themselves as a boxing coach or a, you know, weightlifting coach or whatever. After doing it for six months, I've coached baseball for 15 years. I've played it for 20 and only recently would I call myself a good catching coach because I understand the value of time that is added into that, you know, versus these jerks that come out after doing something for six months. No, it's not like that. It doesn't work like that. And if your trainer has only been doing something for six months, that does not qualify them to be a specialized trainer says, how long did it take you to specialize, Dr B? How many years? How much time went into that and it devalues. Yeah, it devalues it. Of course. Of course.
Speaker 1:
36:54
10 years. You know, four years Undergrad, two years masters and then four years or even five to get your doctorate did. So obviously there's the training and the depth of experience that I have is different. This is not to really minimize, you know, what coach coaches can do, but the idea is is that coaches are not psychologists and everyone needs to stay within their own because it can become very overwhelming. And so, you know, PE, but I feel like people, if they, if they say no, this is not my specialty, they think this is taken away from there. But you really be an unfair to the person who is paying you because they're expecting that they're going to get this type of, of professionalism or this type of treatment and you're not qualifying. For me it's all about ethics to be honest. No, you're right.
Speaker 1:
37:37
It's all, you know, ethically we have to be ethical and we got to educate people that there are, like I said, you know, when you go to a doctor and you see all these certificates, you should be smart enough to ask school what is your specialty? I mean, you know as the same thing as like medical doctors, right? There's general doctor that looks at everything in general but they're not in depth. And then they say to you, go to this, Andrew oncologists go to this urologist, go to this like heart person. Everyone has a specialty and the same thing in our field. So you cannot like minimize and say, oh no, you know, I can go to this culture and he can like treat me well. Yeah, they give you life skills. It's true. You needed, they can give you some techniques. You know, they can help you adjust in some sort of a decision that you need.
Speaker 1:
38:20
But they're not psychologists. I mean, we have to be, we have to be fair that you cannot equate it. You know, even if someone went to coaching for a year, let's say they did the, the one year, there is a one year or it's still not 10 years. And so, you know, I feel like, but it's our job. See, this is why we're doing these things podcast. And this is why I go on TV. Educate people need to ads be edgy. This is why I teach. I need to educate people to understand that it's okay to ask for my qualification. You know, very rarely do I get someone call me and ask me what is your qualification? And people feel embarrassed to ask that you shouldn't. You're paying a service. Go in there and ask, what are your qualifications? What are you trained in? What are your specialty in? Have you ever had someone in my situation? There's nothing wrong with it. That way you are comfortable and you can, you know that you are getting the value for your money to be honest. Then just be quiet. Go to a coach because your friend went to him or go to his psychiatrist or whoever and thinking that you're going to get the same service because maybe their need is very different from your need. You know?
Speaker 2:
39:20
I love it. I'm a troublemaker on this show, that show I'm loving [inaudible] even as a student. I know, right? I really don't how to get people going. They just like [inaudible] this is like my soft spot. That was it. I know. I know I picked that one. I waited for the right time too.
Speaker 1:
39:38
Oh well like, oh you know, I hope, I hope that anything that they, you know, people can hear about. Cause it's very important here. I mean in, in the u s is so easy. Like you know, people ask for people know and also like you know, but that doesn't mean that there are people that are not qualified. But in the, in Kuwait I think a lot of unqualified people are practicing and they should to be honest. Yeah, definitely. Ethics and stories I hear, oh my God, it's, yeah,
Speaker 2:
40:05
integrity and I think people don't understand integrity in Kuwait. I really, I really think they don't understand integrity. And on that note we should call it a show. Yeah. Wow. People are going to kill me now. I had the fitness industry. Hey me now I got the Sikes. Hate me. This is great. Anyways, thanks. Definitely. Thanks doctor. The, if you guys have any questions you can email Dr [inaudible] message, DM her or message, you know the project. Kuwait, we'll get right back. Yes.
Speaker 1:
40:32
Thanks guys. Hi.
Speaker 2:
40:36
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