{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":0.56,"endTime":3.25,"body":"Welcome, to the Living the Dream podcast"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":3.386,"endTime":6.176,"body":"with Curveball. if you believe you"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":6.224,"endTime":8.492,"body":"can achieve Chee Chee,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":17.672,"endTime":20.48,"body":"welcome to the living the Dream with Curveball"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":20.576,"endTime":23.368,"body":"podcast, a show where I"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":23.4,"endTime":26.354,"body":"interview guests that teach, motivate"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":26.418,"endTime":28.942,"body":"and inspire. Today"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":29.282,"endTime":32.234,"body":"we're going to be talking about diversity and inclusion as"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":32.258,"endTime":35.138,"body":"I am joined by Arthur certified executive"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":35.25,"endTime":38.242,"body":"coach and diversity and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":38.282,"endTime":41.022,"body":"inclusion expert Toby Milton."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":42.092,"endTime":44.876,"body":"growing up, Toby was diagnosed with a"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":44.924,"endTime":47.804,"body":"neuromuscular disease. So he went"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":47.828,"endTime":50.636,"body":"through all his time facing different discriminations because"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":50.684,"endTime":53.58,"body":"of his disability and other"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":53.636,"endTime":56.152,"body":"things. I'll let him talk about the other things."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":56.572,"endTime":59.572,"body":"And so that's why he decided"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":59.692,"endTime":62.692,"body":"to get into the diversity and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":62.732,"endTime":65.612,"body":"inclusion field and show that"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":65.772,"endTime":68.684,"body":"everybody needs to be made to feel"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":68.748,"endTime":71.468,"body":"safe and included in"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":71.5,"endTime":74.276,"body":"the business world and in life."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":74.364,"endTime":76.992,"body":"So, Toby, thank you so much for joining me today."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":77.502,"endTime":79.802,"body":"You're welcome. Thanks for inviting me along."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":80.222,"endTime":82.662,"body":"Why don't you start off by telling everybody a little bit about"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":82.702,"endTime":83.402,"body":"yourself?"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":84.862,"endTime":87.766,"body":"Yeah. So, I live in"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":87.774,"endTime":90.162,"body":"the UK, in the north of England."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":90.552,"endTime":92.84,"body":"I run my own diversity and inclusion"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":92.896,"endTime":95.44,"body":"consultancy, which I have for the last five"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":95.536,"endTime":98.026,"body":"years. but before that, I was an in"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":98.074,"endTime":100.874,"body":"house diversity and inclusion manager for"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":100.938,"endTime":103.322,"body":"the BBC and Deloitte, the big accountancy"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":103.362,"endTime":106.31,"body":"firm. But I got into diversity and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":106.326,"endTime":109.166,"body":"inclusion halfway through my career. 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I've also had some really good examples"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":154.842,"endTime":157.466,"body":"of working with inclusive managers who"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":157.514,"endTime":160.298,"body":"have helped me get into the workplace and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":160.33,"endTime":163.184,"body":"succeed in the workplace. so, yeah,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":163.248,"endTime":166.172,"body":"that's in a nutshell, a bit about me."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":167.872,"endTime":170.704,"body":"So tell the listeners about your neuromuscular"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":170.768,"endTime":173.612,"body":"disease. 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So in"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":281.956,"endTime":284.828,"body":"an ideal world, it would either slow down progression or"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":284.86,"endTime":287.618,"body":"make things better. one of the drugs is actually"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":287.69,"endTime":290.574,"body":"designed for babies. 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We"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":337.272,"endTime":340.12,"body":"know that diverse teams are better at making"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":340.192,"endTime":342.862,"body":"decisions. They are, better at, innovating"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":343.032,"endTime":345.874,"body":"and creativity. They"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":346.058,"endTime":348.706,"body":"are, better at, building relationships with your customers because they"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":348.722,"endTime":351.65,"body":"can understand your diverse customer base. They"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":351.674,"endTime":354.118,"body":"can better anticipate the needs"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":354.498,"endTime":357.29,"body":"and requirements of your customers and therefore"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":357.354,"endTime":360.346,"body":"deliver a better customer service."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":360.522,"endTime":363.202,"body":"So there are many, many benefits to"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":363.25,"endTime":366.158,"body":"having a diverse workforce,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":366.368,"endTime":369.184,"body":"but diversity is really"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":369.256,"endTime":371.828,"body":"the output of, laying some solid"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":371.868,"endTime":374.844,"body":"foundations first. Unfortunately,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":375.036,"endTime":377.716,"body":"we don't live in a fair society and our workplaces"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":377.812,"endTime":380.732,"body":"often reflect those inequalities. So"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":380.78,"endTime":383.412,"body":"we need to make sure that we are providing"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":383.58,"endTime":386.264,"body":"equity, for the"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":386.296,"endTime":389.192,"body":"people in an organization. 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My first book that I wrote is called,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":450.448,"endTime":453.39,"body":"inclusive growth. And I wrote"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":453.414,"endTime":454.538,"body":"the book because"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":456.558,"endTime":459.126,"body":"I'd been working in big companies like the BBC and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":459.142,"endTime":462.018,"body":"Deloitte. 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And I."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":503.414,"endTime":505.858,"body":"The reason why I called it inclusive growth was because"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":506.558,"endTime":509.298,"body":"I noticed that a lot of senior leaders"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":509.798,"endTime":512.486,"body":"didn't quite understand why"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":512.542,"endTime":515.446,"body":"diversity and inclusion was so strategically important to"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":515.462,"endTime":518.286,"body":"the business. They often treated it as a bit like a"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":518.302,"endTime":521.286,"body":"box ticking exercise or marketing activity. A"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":521.302,"endTime":523.966,"body":"lot of window dressing actions were happening,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":524.102,"endTime":526.614,"body":"but they really weren't thinking about how if"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":526.646,"endTime":529.328,"body":"they have an inclusive growth, sorry, an inclusive"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":529.368,"endTime":531.856,"body":"culture, it would actually help their business grow and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":531.872,"endTime":534.816,"body":"prosper. And that's why I called it inclusive growth. 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Let them know where they can hear it and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1044.742,"endTime":1047.196,"body":"wherever, what they can expect when they listen to"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1047.22,"endTime":1047.784,"body":"it."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1048.604,"endTime":1051.222,"body":"So the podcast is available on, all of the great"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1051.278,"endTime":1054.154,"body":"podcasting platforms. most people listen to it on"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1054.274,"endTime":1056.534,"body":"Apple podcasts or Spotify."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1056.894,"endTime":1059.234,"body":"and it's not me rambling on."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1060.304,"endTime":1063.096,"body":"I interview really interesting thought leaders"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1063.16,"endTime":1065.752,"body":"and business leaders around diversity inclusion."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1065.764,"endTime":1068.458,"body":"excuse the pun, but we have a very diverse"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1068.626,"endTime":1071.546,"body":"set of guests and interviews. We've talked"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1071.61,"endTime":1074.398,"body":"about everything from the menopause in"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1074.486,"endTime":1077.156,"body":"workplace to ex offender"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1077.22,"endTime":1079.544,"body":"rehabilitation in the workforce,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1079.924,"endTime":1082.7,"body":"to creating cultures of respect and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1082.732,"endTime":1085.532,"body":"belonging, to digital"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1085.668,"endTime":1088.564,"body":"and website accessibility. So there's lots of"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1088.604,"endTime":1091.516,"body":"interesting topics on there and something that will inspire"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1091.58,"endTime":1092.904,"body":"anybody who listens."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1094.884,"endTime":1097.204,"body":"Okay, Milton Co"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1097.324,"endTime":1100.124,"body":"UK, close us out with some final thoughts."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1100.164,"endTime":1103.156,"body":"Maybe if that was something I forgot to talk about that you would like to touch on,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1103.18,"endTime":1105.464,"body":"or any final thoughts you have for the listeners."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1107.084,"endTime":1109.988,"body":"My closing thought would be that if you are"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1110.036,"endTime":1112.316,"body":"really passionate about implementing"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1112.5,"endTime":1115.224,"body":"diversity and inclusion in your own organisation,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1115.844,"endTime":1118.636,"body":"really, try to spend time with your"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1118.66,"endTime":1121.396,"body":"senior leadership team and get them to"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1121.42,"endTime":1123.844,"body":"connect with the why so you"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1123.884,"endTime":1126.86,"body":"could share with them resources that"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1126.892,"endTime":1128.956,"body":"could be books, websites,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1129.14,"endTime":1131.644,"body":"blogs, podcasts to help"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1131.684,"endTime":1134.612,"body":"them educate them to understand the"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1134.628,"endTime":1137.572,"body":"why. Or maybe run a workshop with them to help them really"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1137.628,"endTime":1140.292,"body":"understand their unique why and the business"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1140.348,"endTime":1140.944,"body":"case."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1143.724,"endTime":1146.718,"body":"All right, ladies and gentlemen, Milden, co"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1146.806,"endTime":1149.686,"body":"dot UK. Please be sure to"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1149.71,"endTime":1152.702,"body":"follow rate review share this episode to as many people"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1152.758,"endTime":1155.67,"body":"as possible. Jump on your favorite podcast"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1155.742,"endTime":1158.502,"body":"app. Leave us a review. Give us a"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1158.518,"endTime":1161.158,"body":"follow. If you have any guests or suggestion"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1161.206,"endTime":1162.638,"body":"topics, Curtis Jackson,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1162.686,"endTime":1165.574,"body":"1978 t.net is the place"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1165.614,"endTime":1168.486,"body":"to send them. Thank you for listening and supporting"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1168.51,"endTime":1171.382,"body":"the show. And Toby, thank you for all that you do, and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1171.398,"endTime":1172.902,"body":"thank you for joining us."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1173.078,"endTime":1174.514,"body":"You're welcome. Thank you."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1175.214,"endTime":1177.566,"body":"For more information on the living the Dream"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1177.63,"endTime":1178.982,"body":"podcast, visit"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1179.078,"endTime":1183.172,"body":"www.djcurveball.com."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1183.358,"endTime":1186.112,"body":"until next time, stay focused"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson","startTime":1186.208,"endTime":1187.832,"body":"on living the dream."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Toby Milden","startTime":1187.888,"endTime":1188.144,"body":"Dream."}]}