{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":0.72,"endTime":3.617,"body":"Welcome, um, to the Living the Dream podcast"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":3.761,"endTime":6.525,"body":"with Curveball. Uh, if you believe"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":6.865,"endTime":9.205,"body":"you can achieve, cheat."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":18.825,"endTime":21.601,"body":"Welcome um, to the Living the Dream with Curveball"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":21.713,"endTime":24.401,"body":"podcast, a show where I"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":24.433,"endTime":27.411,"body":"interview guests that teach, motivate"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":27.483,"endTime":30.211,"body":"and inspire. Today I am"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":30.243,"endTime":32.427,"body":"joined by Rabbi Alon"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":32.491,"endTime":35.395,"body":"Ferency. Alon is the"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":35.435,"endTime":38.275,"body":"advocate for the artists and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":38.315,"endTime":41.283,"body":"all of us and he focuses on helping"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":41.339,"endTime":44.06,"body":"creatives, you know, like if they have any self doubt or uh,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":44.603,"endTime":47.483,"body":"creators block or just anything that they might be facing"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":47.539,"endTime":50.467,"body":"that's negative. He tries to help them"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":50.651,"endTime":53.467,"body":"get meaningful work done and get"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":53.491,"endTime":56.251,"body":"the best out of what they're doing. So"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":56.283,"endTime":58.795,"body":"Alon, thank you so much for joining me today."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":58.955,"endTime":61.547,"body":"Thank you for your time. Curtis. Yeah, you described"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":61.571,"endTime":64.083,"body":"me quite well. Better than I could myself. Thank"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":64.099,"endTime":64.611,"body":"you."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":64.763,"endTime":67.747,"body":"Well, I appreciate it. Why don't you start off by telling everybody a little"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":67.771,"endTime":68.935,"body":"bit about yourself."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":69.755,"endTime":72.675,"body":"Well, my name is Alon Ferency. I currently live in East"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":72.715,"endTime":75.69,"body":"Tennessee, but I grew up near Boston. Um,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":75.69,"endTime":78.171,"body":"I lived there for the first 22 years of my"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":78.203,"endTime":81.161,"body":"life and then I, uh, went on a cross"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":81.193,"endTime":84.185,"body":"country bike trip, served in the Peace Corps, worked in the music business"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":84.225,"endTime":86.809,"body":"in la, and then eventually returned for"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":86.857,"endTime":89.569,"body":"graduate studies in experiential education and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":89.617,"endTime":92.521,"body":"seminary. Um, I met"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":92.553,"endTime":95.553,"body":"my wife during my graduate studies in New York. We moved to"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":95.569,"endTime":98.241,"body":"LA together for seminary. We moved"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":98.273,"endTime":101.057,"body":"to Knoxville, Tennessee for a pulpit here"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":101.161,"endTime":104.079,"body":"that I was in for 12 years, during which time we had"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":104.257,"endTime":107.075,"body":"four kids. I stepped down from the pulpit about two years"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":107.115,"endTime":110.019,"body":"ago to work with artists and arts organizations"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":110.067,"endTime":113.019,"body":"more directly. More specifically, in"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":113.027,"endTime":115.875,"body":"my spare time I'm learning drums. I continue to play Dungeons"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":115.915,"endTime":118.851,"body":"and Dragons and other role playing games. I have a soccer"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":118.883,"endTime":121.787,"body":"team I play with when I can and keeping uh, my body"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":121.851,"endTime":124.619,"body":"healthy. I love to read science fiction"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":124.667,"endTime":127.475,"body":"novels and I love to laugh."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":127.555,"endTime":129.655,"body":"I think those are the bullet points."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":131.645,"endTime":134.517,"body":"All. Ah, right. What made you get into the type"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":134.541,"endTime":136.785,"body":"of work that you're into now?"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":137.365,"endTime":140.197,"body":"Well, I wonder how true this is of"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":140.221,"endTime":142.589,"body":"anyone who works in the arts in an ancillary"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":142.677,"endTime":145.557,"body":"capacity. Uh, I loved being around and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":145.581,"endTime":148.225,"body":"making art, but was never skilled enough to do it"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":148.645,"endTime":151.581,"body":"on my own, with the possible exception of stage acting."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":151.613,"endTime":154.54,"body":"I could have pursued that further, I suppose. Um,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":154.54,"endTime":157.401,"body":"and I love the artistic mentality. I love"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":157.433,"endTime":160.313,"body":"people whose first response to a creative challenge is not to say it"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":160.329,"endTime":163.129,"body":"can't be done, but to say, how do I do it? How could I do"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":163.137,"endTime":165.665,"body":"it? Um, I love"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":165.705,"endTime":168.673,"body":"being my own boss, which was something I hadn't had"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":168.729,"endTime":171.085,"body":"previously in my life except for brief periods."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":172.665,"endTime":175.497,"body":"I am fascinated by the theological"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":175.561,"endTime":178.289,"body":"implications of artists and their art"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":178.337,"endTime":180.969,"body":"making. What art has to teach us about"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":181.137,"endTime":183.84,"body":"the structure of the world, what we might call God, um,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":184.985,"endTime":187.921,"body":"if God is the name of the blanket we put over mystery to give it"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":187.953,"endTime":190.777,"body":"shape. To quote, I think, Barry Taylor,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":190.921,"endTime":193.889,"body":"I think art has a lot to inform us about the nature of"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":194.017,"endTime":196.561,"body":"holiness and the sacred in this"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":196.713,"endTime":198.485,"body":"beautiful, messed up universe."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":201.025,"endTime":203.577,"body":"Well, speaking of that, how do you feel"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":203.641,"endTime":205.881,"body":"that creativity and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":206.033,"endTime":208.561,"body":"spirituality are linked? Talk about that"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":208.593,"endTime":209.165,"body":"link."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":211.075,"endTime":214.027,"body":"That's always a, uh, it's a question I get often and always a hard one to"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":214.051,"endTime":216.955,"body":"answer because to me it's so intuitive that I don't have the words"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":216.995,"endTime":219.675,"body":"for it easily. It's just"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":219.795,"endTime":222.571,"body":"a knowing that in"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":222.603,"endTime":225.515,"body":"addition to places like synagogues and Glacier national"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":225.555,"endTime":228.491,"body":"park, some of the holiest experiences I've had were late night listening"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":228.523,"endTime":230.735,"body":"to John Coltrane's the Love Supreme"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":231.835,"endTime":233.655,"body":"Being, uh, in the Prado Galleries,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":235.525,"endTime":238.277,"body":"watching certain movies that have transformed the way I think"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":238.301,"endTime":241.181,"body":"about living. And those"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":241.253,"endTime":243.965,"body":"always felt and gave me an awareness"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":244.005,"endTime":246.605,"body":"of the way we're connected to all"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":246.645,"endTime":249.525,"body":"life and the way there is some deeper meaning"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":249.565,"endTime":252.285,"body":"to everything we experience that is very hard to"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":252.325,"endTime":255.269,"body":"express. Um, as much as I like reading"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":255.317,"endTime":258.221,"body":"theology, it's very hard to put in words what's really happening."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":258.253,"endTime":260.701,"body":"And I think art strives to"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":260.733,"endTime":263.641,"body":"explain some deeper reality that we can only"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":263.673,"endTime":266.617,"body":"barely glimpse. I just"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":266.641,"endTime":269.561,"body":"wanted to be returned to that world that I had"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":269.593,"endTime":272.565,"body":"been in on and off throughout my childhood, into my young adulthood."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":273.225,"endTime":275.921,"body":"Well, here's an interesting question for you. What"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":275.953,"endTime":278.605,"body":"do artists and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":279.105,"endTime":282.089,"body":"other, you know, like, heretics"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":282.217,"endTime":283.325,"body":"have in common?"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":284.225,"endTime":286.721,"body":"Yeah. There is a new movie coming out with Hugh Grant called"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":286.753,"endTime":289.675,"body":"Heretic that I'd love to see. But"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":289.715,"endTime":292.495,"body":"I think it started as this conversation I had with a colleague"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":292.875,"endTime":295.611,"body":"that, uh, he said, I thought very wisely"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":295.763,"endTime":298.203,"body":"that standup comics are today's prophets."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":298.379,"endTime":300.895,"body":"They're speaking truth to power, at least the best ones."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":301.435,"endTime":304.307,"body":"And then I started thinking of all artists as a kind of prophet."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":304.411,"endTime":307.019,"body":"And then someone said to me that all prophets were also"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":307.067,"endTime":310.027,"body":"heretics. Right. They were also responding to the"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":310.051,"endTime":312.899,"body":"power structures and the hierarchy and the dogma of the day"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":312.947,"endTime":314.775,"body":"and challenging it at every turn."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":315.915,"endTime":318.499,"body":"So I think artists at their best"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":318.667,"endTime":321.307,"body":"are subversive and questioning, always"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":321.411,"endTime":324.339,"body":"questioning the reality in which we live,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":324.387,"endTime":327.227,"body":"the political situation, the religious situation, the"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":327.251,"endTime":330.215,"body":"assumptions we have about ourselves and other people."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":330.515,"endTime":333.515,"body":"And that's when you. When the alternative"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":333.555,"endTime":336.475,"body":"is a kind of dogma or an enforced belief that is"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":336.555,"endTime":339.291,"body":"heresy to challenge."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":339.483,"endTime":341.855,"body":"You know, as I think was said of rfk,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":343.415,"endTime":346.287,"body":"people look at things as they are and ask why? And he"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":346.311,"endTime":349.047,"body":"looked at things as they could be and asked why not?"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":349.231,"endTime":351.943,"body":"That's the artist's morality and the"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":351.959,"endTime":354.675,"body":"morality of striving for truth and beauty,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":355.71,"endTime":358.535,"body":"uh, which is itself a kind of heresy in light"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":358.575,"endTime":361.543,"body":"of political, social, religious"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":361.599,"endTime":362.235,"body":"norms."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":363.535,"endTime":366.195,"body":"Well, what role do you feel that"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":366.895,"endTime":369.549,"body":"art, uh, creativity and faith"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":369.727,"endTime":371.765,"body":"should play in our society?"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":375.225,"endTime":377.005,"body":"A big and safe one."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":379.24,"endTime":382.097,"body":"Uh, it's hard to say. You know, I want to give"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":382.121,"endTime":384.921,"body":"a caveat because faith and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":384.953,"endTime":387.605,"body":"religion and dogma have done so much damage"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":388.785,"endTime":391.529,"body":"and yet have so much potential for healing and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":391.577,"endTime":393.365,"body":"support and wisdom giving"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":394.625,"endTime":397.359,"body":"that I wouldn't rate all"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":397.407,"endTime":399.855,"body":"kinds of faith as equally beneficial to"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":399.895,"endTime":402.735,"body":"society. And I certainly would want more of one"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":402.775,"endTime":405.575,"body":"and less of the other. You know, anytime people use faith or"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":405.615,"endTime":408.471,"body":"religion or dogma as a kind of club to"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":408.503,"endTime":410.951,"body":"hit other people with or the club to keep people out"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":410.983,"endTime":413.975,"body":"of, uh, that's not the right use of faith"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":414.015,"endTime":416.975,"body":"to me. But when faith is uplifting and supportive"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":417.015,"endTime":419.895,"body":"and gives meaning to you and helps you understand the world more"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":419.935,"endTime":422.819,"body":"deeply and gives you a connection to what was"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":422.867,"endTime":425.827,"body":"before you, uh, that's the kind of faith I'd like to see"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":425.851,"endTime":428.499,"body":"more of. And I suppose there's"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":428.627,"endTime":430.771,"body":"art that's dogmatic or"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":430.843,"endTime":431.895,"body":"propaganda,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":433.275,"endTime":436.227,"body":"but for the most part, it really. For the most"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":436.251,"endTime":438.923,"body":"part, not the stuff that's just distraction."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":438.979,"endTime":441.763,"body":"Maybe the YouTube shorts feed the"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":441.779,"endTime":444.659,"body":"TikTok sometimes, but the"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":444.667,"endTime":447.495,"body":"stuff that has something deeper to say. I'd like to see"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":447.635,"endTime":450.431,"body":"everywhere and all the time. And I'd like to"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":450.463,"endTime":452.999,"body":"see us as society, support that work,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":453.127,"endTime":456.07,"body":"because it's dangerous, it's claustrophobic."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":456.07,"endTime":458.927,"body":"Uh, it's risky. Um, and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":458.951,"endTime":461.807,"body":"people get canceled for saying and doing more than they"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":461.831,"endTime":463.475,"body":"should, more than they could have."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":464.535,"endTime":467.095,"body":"And I think we need to have a higher tolerance for the"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":467.135,"endTime":470.063,"body":"transgressive ability in art, that heretical ability."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":470.119,"endTime":473.075,"body":"I mean, uh, that's when you go back to artists being heretics."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":473.425,"endTime":476.313,"body":"I think when we talk about cancel culture, which is not"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":476.329,"endTime":478.873,"body":"a phrase I really like, because there's really three"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":479.009,"endTime":481.929,"body":"things happening. There's getting fired, there's going to prison,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":481.977,"endTime":484.761,"body":"and then there's getting socially ostracized. And only the"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":484.793,"endTime":487.633,"body":"last one, I think, is wrong. M. But when we"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":487.649,"endTime":490.601,"body":"see artists say and do things that we might not agree with and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":490.633,"endTime":493.553,"body":"we ostracize them, we're doing everyone"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":493.609,"endTime":496.577,"body":"a disservice. There has to be ability to take risk in"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":496.601,"endTime":499.377,"body":"life and make mistakes and apologize if"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":499.401,"endTime":500.245,"body":"necessary."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":503.025,"endTime":505.721,"body":"Well, speaking of cancel culture and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":505.753,"endTime":508.737,"body":"artists getting canceled, what advice could you give an"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":508.761,"endTime":511.205,"body":"artist who has been canceled?"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":512.225,"endTime":515.165,"body":"Well, that's. That idea is evolving for me,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":517.265,"endTime":520.057,"body":"it seems to me. You know, I'm a big"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":520.081,"endTime":522.969,"body":"believer in apologizing I got quite good at it as a"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":522.977,"endTime":525.553,"body":"pulpit rabbi. People are always angry at their rabbi. So I"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":525.569,"endTime":528.417,"body":"always. I learned to sincerely apologize for"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":528.441,"endTime":529.405,"body":"what I could."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":531.865,"endTime":534.833,"body":"But sometimes Twitter is unwilling to forgive, and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":534.849,"endTime":537.761,"body":"I think you have to move past that sometimes, because otherwise"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":537.793,"endTime":539.805,"body":"it could destroy your faith in humanity."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":540.785,"endTime":543.745,"body":"So when you make a mistake, and I did this recently in an artistic"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":543.785,"endTime":545.325,"body":"project, I really hurt someone."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":546.905,"endTime":549.529,"body":"You have to take stock of it, understand what you did,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":549.697,"endTime":552.637,"body":"apologize where you can make amends as much as"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":552.661,"endTime":554.425,"body":"you possibly can. And then"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":554.965,"endTime":557.845,"body":"if the other person or Twitter or"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":557.885,"endTime":560.837,"body":"Instagram is unwilling to forgive, you have to let"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":560.861,"endTime":563.613,"body":"go of that a little, to do everything you can"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":563.669,"endTime":566.405,"body":"to take stock, to learn from and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":566.445,"endTime":569.373,"body":"to fix. Um, but"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":569.389,"endTime":572.245,"body":"in Judaism, it says that once you've apologized to someone three times,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":572.285,"endTime":575.189,"body":"and if they can't accept it, you can move on. So I"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":575.197,"endTime":577.621,"body":"would say the same to quote, unquote, canceled"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":577.653,"endTime":580.171,"body":"artists, if you've learned your lesson"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":580.243,"endTime":583.187,"body":"and made amends for it, that's as far as you can go."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":583.211,"endTime":585.851,"body":"And you may lose fans, but you have to move on with what you"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":585.883,"endTime":588.883,"body":"have. You can't tear yourself apart and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":588.899,"endTime":590.415,"body":"ruin your faith in humanity."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":593.395,"endTime":596.235,"body":"In your opinion, give us the definition"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":596.275,"endTime":598.295,"body":"of an autistic morality."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":599.715,"endTime":602.455,"body":"Well, I've been working on this a lot in my own writing, actually."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":602.955,"endTime":605.851,"body":"I think, uh, my theology is turning into a theology of"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":605.883,"endTime":608.807,"body":"truth and beauty. That the"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":608.831,"endTime":611.575,"body":"things that are guideposts and orient us towards what"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":611.615,"endTime":614.515,"body":"God might be are the senses of beauty."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":615.175,"endTime":618.007,"body":"That when we see a painting that is beautiful, when we see a person that is"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":618.031,"endTime":620.823,"body":"beautiful, it's because they're saying something true and showing"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":620.879,"endTime":623.799,"body":"something true about the depth and nature"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":623.847,"endTime":626.315,"body":"of the universe, what we would call God."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":627.095,"endTime":629.639,"body":"And so I think an artist's morality is one that"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":629.727,"endTime":632.075,"body":"creates more than it destroys, that"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":632.455,"endTime":635.319,"body":"sees through the lens of beauty and truth as much as possible"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":635.407,"endTime":638.251,"body":"and through other lenses. They're all important, or"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":638.283,"endTime":639.975,"body":"many lenses are important."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":641.235,"endTime":644.235,"body":"But in the end, at the end of the day, at the end of a, uh, life has created"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":644.275,"endTime":647.179,"body":"more than they have destroyed, has added"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":647.227,"endTime":649.611,"body":"meaning and value more than it's torn down and been"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":649.643,"endTime":652.283,"body":"nihilistic. Uh, more truth than"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":652.339,"endTime":652.975,"body":"lies."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":656.035,"endTime":658.907,"body":"So tell us about any upcoming projects that"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":658.931,"endTime":661.331,"body":"you're working on that people need to be aware of."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":661.483,"endTime":664.371,"body":"Well, I'm doing some local classes in East Tennessee, but that might"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":664.403,"endTime":667.373,"body":"not be available and accessible to everyone. I"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":667.389,"endTime":670.341,"body":"teach meditation online through Inside Timer, and you can see some of those"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":670.373,"endTime":672.985,"body":"recordings on YouTube and other podcast services."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":673.685,"endTime":676.621,"body":"I'm, um, working on some writing, and you can read,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":676.68,"endTime":679.573,"body":"uh, preliminaries of that through my newsletter, which you can"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":679.589,"endTime":682.101,"body":"find on my website, Eclectic Cleric dot"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":682.133,"endTime":685.013,"body":"com. Most of my work, ideally,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":685.069,"endTime":687.845,"body":"is counseling and coaching artists one on one and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":687.885,"endTime":690.813,"body":"consulting to arts organizations. So if you are in need of any of that, if"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":690.829,"endTime":693.405,"body":"you are in need for, uh, re inspiring your"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":693.445,"endTime":696.325,"body":"creativity, reconnecting to the artistic spirit within"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":696.365,"endTime":699.039,"body":"you, understanding your soul a little better through"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":699.087,"endTime":702.075,"body":"creating and making, please do reach out to me."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":704.255,"endTime":707.087,"body":"Well, so listeners can reach out to you. Throw out"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":707.111,"endTime":708.475,"body":"your contact info."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":709.135,"endTime":710.847,"body":"Yeah, yeah. Eclectic"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":710.911,"endTime":713.823,"body":"cleric.com is the main site, but you can find"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":713.839,"endTime":716.839,"body":"me on almost every social media. Eclectic"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":716.927,"endTime":718.835,"body":"Cleric, one word."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":722.055,"endTime":724.943,"body":"Close this out with some final thoughts. Maybe if that was something I"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":724.959,"endTime":727.855,"body":"forgot to talk about that you would like to touch on if there's any final"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":727.895,"endTime":729.615,"body":"thoughts you have for the list listeners."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":732.075,"endTime":734.795,"body":"Yeah, I think everyone is capable of"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":734.915,"endTime":737.835,"body":"creating, making and performing and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":737.875,"endTime":740.815,"body":"writing and making art. And everyone should go out and do it,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":741.46,"endTime":743.963,"body":"um, in your own small way and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":743.979,"endTime":746.963,"body":"then also appreciate art."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":747.019,"endTime":749.923,"body":"Support artists. You can support them with your money, but you can"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":749.939,"endTime":752.891,"body":"support them with your attention. You can support"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":752.923,"endTime":755.739,"body":"them with forgiveness when they make mistakes. You can support"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":755.787,"endTime":758.757,"body":"them by trying to truly understand and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":758.781,"endTime":761.613,"body":"see their artists, their art, and participate in"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":761.629,"endTime":764.505,"body":"it and, uh, sharing their work with others"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":765.365,"endTime":768.141,"body":"and, um, cultivating the artist"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":768.213,"endTime":770.425,"body":"in your children and in your loved ones."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":770.725,"endTime":772.345,"body":"Creating space for risk"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":774.285,"endTime":777.237,"body":"and trying. Even if it's just picking up a set of"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":777.261,"endTime":779.345,"body":"watercolors that you had when you were six,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":780.325,"endTime":783.205,"body":"returning and returning again to making something, I think it"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":783.245,"endTime":786.163,"body":"nurtures the soul in a way that is unique and can't"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":786.179,"endTime":787.175,"body":"be replicated."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":789.315,"endTime":792.027,"body":"All right, ladies and gentlemen, Alon, uh, Farrancy."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":792.091,"endTime":795.055,"body":"Please check out his work and everything that he's up to."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":795.435,"endTime":798.219,"body":"Follow Rate Review Share this episode to as many"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":798.267,"endTime":800.955,"body":"people as possible. 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Thank you for listening and supporting the"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":818.853,"endTime":821.733,"body":"show, Alon. Thank you for all that you do and thank"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":821.749,"endTime":822.989,"body":"you for joining us."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":823.157,"endTime":825.185,"body":"Thank you for your beautiful time, Curtis."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":825.965,"endTime":828.397,"body":"For more information on the Living the Dream"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":828.461,"endTime":829.805,"body":"podcast, visit"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":829.885,"endTime":834.029,"body":"www.djcurveball.com."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":834.197,"endTime":836.849,"body":"until next time, stay focused"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":836.967,"endTime":838.621,"body":"on living the dream."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Speaker B","startTime":838.693,"endTime":838.925,"body":"Dream."}]}