{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":0.56,"endTime":2.68,"body":"Welcome, um, to the Living the Dream"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":2.76,"endTime":5.64,"body":"podcast with Curveball. Um, if"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":5.68,"endTime":7.752,"body":"you believe you can"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":7.856,"endTime":8.78,"body":"achieve."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":19.04,"endTime":21.896,"body":"Welcome to the Living the Dream with Curveball"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":22.008,"endTime":24.68,"body":"podcast, a show where I"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":24.72,"endTime":27.544,"body":"interview guests that teach, motivate,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":27.592,"endTime":30.472,"body":"and inspire. Today, I am"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":30.496,"endTime":33.384,"body":"joined by the founder of Good Samaritan Home,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":33.552,"endTime":35.18,"body":"John David Graham."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":35.92,"endTime":38.888,"body":"John created this. This is a housing"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":38.984,"endTime":41.88,"body":"mentoring project that helps men"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":41.92,"endTime":44.216,"body":"and women restart their lives after"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":44.288,"endTime":47.048,"body":"prison. So we're going to be talking to John about"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":47.104,"endTime":50.072,"body":"that and everything that him and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":50.096,"endTime":52.92,"body":"his company is up to. We're also going to be talking to him about"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":52.96,"endTime":55.436,"body":"what he did before he started"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":55.508,"endTime":58.412,"body":"this housing mentoring project. So,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":58.436,"endTime":60.812,"body":"John, thank you so much for joining me today."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":60.996,"endTime":63.644,"body":"It's very good to be here, Curtis. Thank you."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":63.812,"endTime":66.38,"body":"Why don't you start off by telling everybody a little bit about"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":66.42,"endTime":67.2,"body":"yourself?"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":67.94,"endTime":70.716,"body":"Well, the good news is I started"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":70.788,"endTime":73.63,"body":"Good Samaritan Home when I was, um,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":73.63,"endTime":76.428,"body":"53 years old. I had been through a"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":76.484,"endTime":79.308,"body":"series of, uh, ups and downs and career"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":79.404,"endTime":82.234,"body":"struggles, lot of detours. 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A number of"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":197.01,"endTime":199.866,"body":"careers before you started"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":199.938,"endTime":202.23,"body":"this. So tell us about some of that."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":202.53,"endTime":204.99,"body":"Well, I grew up in the 60s and uh,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":205.41,"endTime":208.282,"body":"I'm not sure if you're old enough, uh, I don't think"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":208.306,"endTime":211.29,"body":"you are to have appreciated how unstable"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":211.37,"endTime":214.09,"body":"that period was. Uh, we"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":214.13,"endTime":216.94,"body":"saw everything coming apart at the seams. 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Ah."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1018.2,"endTime":1021.102,"body":"But another thing I'm working on is because we"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1021.126,"endTime":1024.078,"body":"have worked so closely with the Department of Correction"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1024.254,"endTime":1027.0,"body":"for a quarter century that,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1027.0,"endTime":1029.942,"body":"uh, I've got this idea that people in"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1029.966,"endTime":1032.45,"body":"prison have a story to tell."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1032.83,"endTime":1035.51,"body":"They just may not have the skills or the. The"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1035.55,"endTime":1038.05,"body":"means to express that story."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1038.43,"endTime":1041.142,"body":"So I would like to see a way that we can get"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1041.166,"endTime":1044.07,"body":"people to write not a book, but a"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1044.11,"endTime":1046.71,"body":"story. And if you can get 10 or 20 men and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1046.75,"endTime":1049.59,"body":"women telling a story, then"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1049.63,"endTime":1052.198,"body":"we can bring it together under Don Quixote"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1052.374,"endTime":1055.348,"body":"and publish that story of, uh, of second"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1055.404,"endTime":1058.372,"body":"chances from the inside. Now, it's only"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1058.396,"endTime":1061.38,"body":"in the planning stage, but I think the idea's got"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1061.42,"endTime":1064.356,"body":"legs because it's"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1064.388,"endTime":1067.252,"body":"a view of not just prison, but it's a"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1067.276,"endTime":1069.892,"body":"view of rehabilitation"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1070.036,"endTime":1072.74,"body":"that is from the inside out. And that"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1072.78,"endTime":1074.6,"body":"alone should make it interesting."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":1077.42,"endTime":1080.26,"body":"So one more question for you. You went through"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":1080.3,"endTime":1082.292,"body":"all the social and political stuff in the"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":1082.316,"endTime":1085.29,"body":"1960s. Talk a little bit"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":1085.33,"endTime":1088.25,"body":"more about how that affected you and, uh, how, uh, does it still"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":1088.29,"endTime":1089.306,"body":"affect you today?"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1089.458,"endTime":1092.33,"body":"Well, it was. We"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1092.37,"endTime":1095.114,"body":"grew up initially when it was normal"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1095.242,"endTime":1098.026,"body":"to have, uh, a nuclear bomb drill"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1098.138,"endTime":1101.082,"body":"where we were told to duck under your desk in"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1101.106,"endTime":1103.962,"body":"case the Russians were to drop a nuclear bomb. That"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1103.986,"endTime":1106.97,"body":"was a normal expression in the 50s and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1107.01,"endTime":1109.992,"body":"in the 60s, after John Kennedy was killed"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1110.146,"endTime":1112.54,"body":"and the violence, particularly relating to"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1112.58,"endTime":1114.62,"body":"Vietnam, was a daily"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1114.7,"endTime":1117.66,"body":"occurrence. Campuses, uh, were being"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1117.7,"endTime":1120.38,"body":"shut down, they were being protested, they were"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1120.42,"endTime":1122.4,"body":"being, uh, Bombed, literally."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1122.87,"endTime":1125.26,"body":"Uh, and, uh, that was a"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1125.3,"endTime":1127.12,"body":"normal expectation."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1127.62,"endTime":1130.364,"body":"And then Watergate totally"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1130.412,"endTime":1133.2,"body":"undermined our confidence in the government itself."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1133.78,"endTime":1136.71,"body":"So I think that what we"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1136.75,"endTime":1139.526,"body":"went through is very similar"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1139.598,"endTime":1142.23,"body":"to what this, uh, generation today is going"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1142.27,"endTime":1144.93,"body":"through. And my biggest concern"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1145.47,"endTime":1148.438,"body":"is that they will become as apathetic as I did"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1148.494,"endTime":1151.43,"body":"for 30 years. And I could have"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1151.47,"endTime":1154.326,"body":"done so much more if I had used that time,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1154.398,"endTime":1157.286,"body":"but I just didn't know. So maybe"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1157.318,"endTime":1160.118,"body":"that's why I'm so concerned about sharing this story"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1160.174,"endTime":1163.108,"body":"today is I want others to, to become"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1163.164,"endTime":1166.08,"body":"involved and to be active, but not with"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1166.62,"endTime":1169.08,"body":"violence, not with anger and fear."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1169.42,"endTime":1172.244,"body":"But, uh, uh, I did a great deal of work studying"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1172.292,"endTime":1175.092,"body":"Dr. King's writings. And what"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1175.116,"endTime":1177.7,"body":"I've concluded is that we have not had that"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1177.74,"endTime":1180.66,"body":"voice of healing, what he called"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1180.7,"endTime":1183.54,"body":"the beloved community. We haven't had that"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1183.58,"endTime":1186.068,"body":"voice since he was killed back in 68."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1186.124,"endTime":1188.478,"body":"And, uh, I think we"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1188.644,"endTime":1191.11,"body":"desperately need to hear that voice again."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1191.81,"endTime":1194.762,"body":"So I'm hoping that, that that person can rise up in"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1194.786,"endTime":1197.658,"body":"this generation and, and bring the, the"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1197.714,"endTime":1200.682,"body":"healing that I think all of us are looking for,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1200.866,"endTime":1203.15,"body":"this sense of reconciliation."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":1203.73,"endTime":1206.634,"body":"Well, throw out your contact info so people can keep up"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":1206.642,"endTime":1208.39,"body":"with everything that you're up to."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1208.69,"endTime":1211.6,"body":"The easiest way to do it is just go to my, my, uh,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1211.6,"endTime":1212.586,"body":"author website."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1212.738,"endTime":1215.658,"body":"It's@johndavidgraham.com One"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1215.714,"endTime":1218.538,"body":"word and there you can link to Good Samaritan Home."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1218.594,"endTime":1221.11,"body":"You can link to the where the book"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1221.15,"endTime":1223.718,"body":"is and if you'd like, you can even"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1223.774,"endTime":1226.566,"body":"download some free chapters from the book and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1226.638,"endTime":1229.478,"body":"just take a look at 30 or 40 or 50 pages of it,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1229.534,"endTime":1232.39,"body":"see what you think and you can contact me"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1232.43,"endTime":1235.382,"body":"there. My website is linked and I'd be glad to talk to"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1235.406,"endTime":1238.15,"body":"you anytime and any questions you may"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1238.19,"endTime":1240.998,"body":"have. Because my whole goal is"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1241.054,"endTime":1243.926,"body":"to share this the the story of second"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1243.998,"endTime":1246.822,"body":"chance and the story of hope to anyone who"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1246.846,"endTime":1247.97,"body":"needs to hear that."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":1250.31,"endTime":1253.294,"body":"We'll close this out with some final thoughts. Maybe if that was something, um, I"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":1253.302,"endTime":1256.03,"body":"forgot to talk about that you would like to touch on, or any final"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":1256.07,"endTime":1257.73,"body":"thoughts you have for the listeners."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1258.95,"endTime":1261.662,"body":"There's, uh, a phrase I use in the book and it's real simple. Just"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1261.686,"endTime":1263.982,"body":"remember this life is written in"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1264.006,"endTime":1266.446,"body":"pencil. We get a lot of second"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1266.518,"endTime":1269.518,"body":"chances and we like to think it's"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1269.534,"endTime":1272.43,"body":"written in ink, but it's not. You can get"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1272.47,"endTime":1275.352,"body":"do overs. So always, always remember"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1275.416,"endTime":1277.26,"body":"that it's written in pencil."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":1279.28,"endTime":1282.216,"body":"All right, ladies and gentlemen, always remember that."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":1282.288,"endTime":1285.112,"body":"Also, always remember to Follow"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":1285.216,"endTime":1288.088,"body":"Rate Review Share this episode to as many people"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":1288.144,"endTime":1291.112,"body":"as possible. 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Thank you so much for just being, uh,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e John David Graham","startTime":1312.67,"endTime":1315.12,"body":"giving me an opportunity to share the good news."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":1315.9,"endTime":1318.34,"body":"For more information on the Living the Dream"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":1318.42,"endTime":1319.7,"body":"podcast, visit"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":1319.82,"endTime":1323.844,"body":"www.djcurveball.com."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":1324.012,"endTime":1326.772,"body":"until next time, stay focused"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)","startTime":1326.836,"endTime":1329.32,"body":"on living the dream. Dream."}]}