Roll for Theology - Proper 7A (June 21, 2026)

Comedians with Pastors Talking Bible is the podcast where Pittsburgh-area standup comedians join ELCA Lutheran pastors to explore the week's gospel text from the Revised Common Lectionary — because the people least likely to read the Bible undefended are sometimes the most interesting people to have read it first.

This week: no comedians. In the first of two experimental summer episodes, Pastor Bob Schaefer and Pastor Eric Damon are joined by Pastor Brian Bennett and Pastor Ryan Kobert — two colleagues who also happen to be tabletop RPG players — to tackle Matthew 10:24–39. It's Father's Day. The text opens with Jesus saying he came not to bring peace, but a sword. The lectionary has no chill.

Expect:

• A crash course in tabletop RPGs, LARPing, and video game RPGs — what they share, where they diverge, and why the Venn diagram between collaborative storytelling, comedy, and preaching is doing real theological work
• The insight that may reframe how you read scripture forever: the Bible isn't the story — it's the stat sheet; the church is the continuing campaign
• Two Christianities in America, one centered on obedience and one centered on love, and a word about which one Jesus was actually running
• Rules as written vs. rules as intended — a question tabletop gamers and Lutherans are apparently both losing sleep over
• The Satanic Panic, annotated by someone whose pastor just asked to sit in and watch
• A natural 20 on the worthiness question: "Because I love you, therefore be worthy of me"

"The scripture isn't the story. It's the stat sheet." — Pastor Eric Damon

Matthew 10:24–39 | Proper 7 / Fourth Sunday after Pentecost, Year A (NRSVue)

Jesus said to the twelve, "A disciple is not above the teacher, nor a slave above the master; it is enough for the disciple to be like the teacher, and the slave like the master. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebul, how much more will they malign those of his household!

"So have no fear of them, for nothing is covered up that will not be uncovered, and nothing secret that will not become known. What I say to you in the dark, tell in the light, and what you hear whispered, proclaim from the housetops. Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground unperceived by your Father. And even the hairs of your head are all counted. So do not be afraid; you are of more value than many sparrows.

"Everyone, therefore, who acknowledges me before others, I also will acknowledge before my Father in heaven, but whoever denies me before others, I also will deny before my Father in heaven.

"Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace but a sword.

For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's foes will be members of one's own household.

Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever does not take up the cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Those who find their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my sake will find it."

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