Behind the Mask w/ James Stokes!

This week on The Hesitation Station, we step into the world of horror with special guest James Stokes, best known for bringing the iconic slasher Jason Vorhees to life in Vorhees: Night of the Beast. 

James joins us to talk about what it’s really like to step into the boots of one of horror’s most legendary killers—from the physical demands of the role to the mindset it takes to embody pure terror. We dive into behind-the-scenes stories, on-set moments, and what makes Night of the Beast a must-watch for horror fans. 

Plus, we get into his journey as an actor, his connection to the horror community, and a few surprises you won’t see coming. 

If you’re a fan of slasher films, indie horror, or just love a good deep dive into filmmaking, this episode is packed with killer insight. 

Tune in… if you dare. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:20

Hey everybody, it's Jay with a hesitation station, along with my co-host Tank. How's it going, buddy?

SPEAKER_02 0:26

Uh I am slightly concerned for your well-being. I mean, what would you do if like Jason's just like suck? Probably stand there. Like he'd have a good shot to murder me because I would be confused as hell.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

Yeah, that would be, or I would or I would ask him if he had another another beverage. Which speaking of, I feel muffled in this. It is so hot. And this little bitty bitty thing. I don't know, I don't know how he did it in costume. So speaking of, if we're gonna have a drink with Jason, guess what, everybody? We may or may not have Jason on here. You never know. I mean, even though it says it right there. But no, we actually do the other side. Oh, it's on the other side. This side, everybody. Uh, we actually have the actor who played Jason in Voorhees, uh, the Knight of the Beast, right? Is that did I say that right? Yes, okay, making sure Mr. James Stokes, everybody. Bam! Hey guys, hey what's up, guys. So on on the real James, what how how how serious would you take it if Jason just walked up to you and just started sipping a drink through his mascals?

SPEAKER_00 1:41

I take it very serious because uh um I've actually done that before. So it's it's kind of cool. Um, no, man, it uh playing playing the role of Jason was an absolute um dream come true as uh as a horror fan all my life, you know, growing up watching watching Friday the 13th, Halloween, Friday, uh Freddie, and and all that. I I to get to to get to play that part uh was an and I got to play in three different times, you know, in three different films, you know, with Slasherverse and all that. Yeah, uh Slasherverse was all of us combined at one, which was absolutely amazing. It was shot very, very well. Yeah, getting getting to play that character was life-changing for me. It had it literally has been life-changing for me, it really has.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

And do do people see you like like at when I saw you at uh Cottonoga, I knew exactly who you were. Uh what you did. Do you have that?

SPEAKER_00 2:37

I absolutely have that right now. I can go into a restaurant in another state, and I and I people know who I am, and it's absolutely phenomenal. They know me a lot, not just from Friday, you know, from uh my Voorhees Night of the Beast movie, but also from uh The Forest Through the Trees. Uh, that movie is absolutely blowing up right now. It's overseas, it's it's doing very well. I won Best Actor for it. Uh congratulations. Thank you. Yes, and it's just uh it's it's it's it's doing really, really well. And a lot of people know what that movie is. Uh it was it was setting at number two when you pull up prime for the longest time. So uh it was doing really well on prime.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

So okay. Well, I bet that's that's great to get uh best accuracy and everything. That's definitely changing thing.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

It was, it was, it was it was it was it was very um heartfelt. I mean, dude, you when you pour yourself into something for so long and uh finally get recognized for it, um it makes you feel really good, you know. And with the director and um uh the cast that I had with me, it was just it was to me, it was just phenomenal. So yeah, and I and I appreciate that, guys. I mean, I really do. It's it's it's it's a big honor. I mean, it really is. It it's it's just accolades, you know, to to to the hard work you put in because I'm telling you right now, being an actor and getting in these movies, I've done 70 films. I've got 70 films to my name, my credit. And it's just it's it's hard work, it's dedication. It's it's you know, it's long nights in the gym, staying in the gyms, keeping your body as as well as you possibly can, and and to to get these roles and to play these different kinds of characters like that. So it's it's kind of it's very rewarding to get recognized sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 4:26

Understandable. Now I will I will tell you for anybody out there that will be at a Comic Con because me and James have talked about that. You are booked to the T for over 30 this year.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

Yeah. Oh, when you got 30 weekends out of 52 weekend in the year, that's that you're you're pretty well booked, and then that's on top of on top of that. I've got two films that I'm doing. So, you know, I just finished one film in Florida, in uh Daytona Beach, Florida, and I'm getting ready to start another one in July in Ohio. So, and that's that's that's weeks of filming, you know, and it's it's it's on top of the con convert, you know, the cons that I've got.

SPEAKER_01 5:06

And so I could barely handle what we do, dude.

SPEAKER_00 5:10

It's it's a lot, man. I'm fixing, I'll be in Chattanooga this weekend, you know. Okay, at ShutterCon. I'll be at Shuttercon this weekend. I thought they canceled that one, huh?

SPEAKER_01 5:20

No, no, so much I know, but I I I want to kind of brag on you real quick, James. Uh okay. So when guys, when I met James over at Paranormal Comic-Con, uh, took out the time, talked to me, was super, super nice. And I thought that was just, you know, because we've met a lot of people, everybody. Well, y'all guys know this. But I thought that was, you know, just at the table and everything like that. No, I saw James at Connuga, called out his name, shook my hand at the time your wife and your kid was there, and he's like, Oh, hey, these are my wife's my kid, and just talk to me, took the time out. So, guys, if y'all ever get to meet James, please do it. He is a very nice dude. And uh yeah, man, dude, you are you are awesome. But the fact that you just like took out the time at a random place and been like, Hey, this is my family, how you doing? Blah blah blah. And you took out the time to talk to me. I really appreciate that.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

Well, dude, I'm I'm very humble about everything that I've gotten and so far. I it it amazes me to go to these conventions and sit behind a table and people want my autograph because of a character I played. Yeah, to me, that is the biggest statement of humility that you could ever get. And um, if someone's gonna take the time to pay me $20, $40, whatever it is on at that convention for my autograph, then I'm definitely gonna take time out to talk to them. And and I don't even care if they buy anything. I I there is people come to my table that that don't buy stuff, and I don't care. I treat them just like I do if you were buying something, and I still take pictures with them. I don't charge for selfies, and there's a reason behind that. I don't I don't charge for selfies because I can't bring myself to charge someone to put my picture out there for the world to see and do it in a way that they they love the character that I played and they love how I was to them. To me, that is that is more than payment to me, is them putting my picture out there going, this man talked to me, and he showed my son or my daughter uh the time of day and he got down on their level and he talked to them. That is worth more to me than any $20 or any $40 or anything like that that ever could be. I'm not at these conventions. Uh yeah, of course I'm there to make money. That's my that's my livelihood. Yes, of course. And I tell people that all the time when they ask me about my pictures. I do have to sell my pictures most of the time. At most cons, they're $20. At bigger cons where there's more Jasons and there's more actors and stuff, I go 40. Usually 40 is my limit on a picture, signed autograph picture. But I never charge for selfies, and that's because some people can't afford a signed autograph picture. But if they got a cell phone and they want a picture with me, I am never gonna tell someone no. I just can't bring myself to do it, and I won't bring myself to do it. And as I I just I just that's what I do. I love meeting new people, and I I love making that connection, that friendship, and that that because you never know, man. You you never know you don't walk through people's shoes, you don't know what they're going through. Sometimes just a high hello, a hug, because I'm a hugger, dude. I'll I'll hug your neck faster than I will anybody. I mean, that's just the way I am. I yeah, I I hug guys, women, kids, all that stuff, man. I I'm just a hugger. I that's just the way I am. That's the way I was raised and and that's the way I grew up. Sometimes, man, it hit you hard, you know? And you see how the reaction of people is, and um, I've taken that throughout the years at all these conventions that I go to, and I've just uh added to it. And uh, I make my I make every experience, every person that walks on my table, I make that experience a brand new, a brand new experience for them.

SPEAKER_01 9:25

Now, Tank, I'm gonna let you talk because I could keep going.

SPEAKER_02 9:29

See, it it's beautiful to hear that because Jay and I have gone to a lot of cons over the over the years, and even more so since we started this podcast, and you know, doing money uh raising money for charity. And now that we actually go and we work them, we spend more time around uh voice actors and actors and musicians and everything. And I mean, they all try to do their best. I mean, I understand y'all have a packed schedule. I mean, you have 30 cons that you're doing over the year, you've got two movies you're filming, all the time you have to spend in the gym, you know, you try to cut out time for your family, your friends, and everything. I I get that, but there's been a lot of times that we've gone to an event and it seems like it's just overwhelming for one or two voice actors or one or two actors, and it's just they seem in a foul mood, and every time we run into that, I try to give it the benefit of the doubt, like, hey, they're not a bad person, they just have a lot on their plate, and I think a lot of people don't understand that.

SPEAKER_00 10:35

I I and I get that, but at the same time, man, it's just it's just like going to work. When I was a supervisor in a factory, it's just like it's like going to work. If I I was a supervisor of a factory, and and being a supervisor, you know, I'm over a bunch of people, and when they get to work and they're they're at they act tired and they act, I'm going, dude, you've done the hardest part. You're already here. Just go ahead and get your work done, and then you can go home and and and the whole day be here. You've done the hardest part, and that's getting here. You know, I feel like, and and I, and don't don't get me wrong, and I have been to some conventions and people sitting right next to me and I've watched them never get up from their seat, they don't shake hands, they don't touch nobody. If they take a selfie, they stand behind the table and they have to turn around. And it's like, I don't do that, dude. I've I've got my arms around people, I'm choking people out, I'm doing all kinds of stuff. That's just what that's because that's what I want to give them an experience.

SPEAKER_03 11:34

Right.

SPEAKER_00 11:34

Because they paid to see me. They paid to see us. Give them what they dude. If it wasn't for them, we wouldn't be where we are today. I wouldn't be wearing this shirt. I wouldn't be wearing, you know, and I and I I wear this shirt, I wear these shirts proudly, dude. Playing this character meant something to me. And it that's the reason when I go to these cons, people fall in love with me. Not just the people that come to see me. I'm talking about the con people. They they love me because they see how I interact with people and I keep bringing people back. That's the reason, that's the reason the cons bring actors and stuff in. They want to, they want to bring in more customers and they want to bring in more uh you know people to to buy stuff and this and to come to the cons. But if you're already at the con, I don't care. Treat people right, man. And I that's just that's just wrong. I just I don't I don't like that. I've I've I've seen it. I've I can't, I don't say anything because it's not my place to say anything. If that's the way they want to be, that's the way they need to be, you know, it's whatever. I'm just not gonna be that way. Um I I've never been to a con where I've like, no, you know, I've been tired, of course, because I'll go to I've done three cons in one weekend before. I went to one Friday, one to Saturday, one Sunday, and it was all in three different states, dude. So I've done it and I'm tired, I'm tired. But at the same time, I'm not gonna show that. I'm not gonna show it to people. I I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna suck it up like I'm supposed to do, sit in my chair for six, eight hours and get up every time someone comes to my table because they've taken the time out of their day to come see me. So I'm gonna make sure that I treat them with the respect that they that they are owed, and and I'm gonna give them that.

SPEAKER_02 13:16

And I think that goes back to what you were saying about you never walk you know in other people's shoes. Like when Jay and I work at Khan, that's one thing that we try to uh put out there. Like even in our episodes, at some point we'll say it during this one. You know, um, like you said, you never know what somebody's going through. You know, they they could be having a horrible day, and then that five minute, that little two, three minute uh moment they had with you could be what turns their day around. Exactly. That's that's one thing that Jay and I preach regardless. Um, like when people come up to our booth to try to win prizes, you know, we interact with them as much as we can. You know, we try and make sure they have a good time because the way we have it set up, regardless of how you spin the wheel, you're leaving with something, whether it's stickers or an actual prize or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

Or I give you something and Tank yells at me, whichever one.

SPEAKER_02 14:13

You know, because I mean that that's what we're there for, you know. I mean, you know, we need to raise money for the charity, but at the same time, charity in and of itself is trying to make somebody else have a better day.

SPEAKER_00 14:25

Absolutely, dude. And and that's the whole thing, man. And even if they don't stop at my table, I still say hi to them, you know. That's just the way I that's just the way I am. And it's just I I hate seeing people, and I do I understand that people get in bad moods and they had a bad day, but if you're there and you're there to to represent something, then you need to represent what you're there to represent and not not do something totally different. And that's the reason I guess I make my prices at a affordable rates because I want everyone to have a picture of me as Jason hanging on their wall. Right. I just way I look at it. I mean, that's just what I do.

SPEAKER_01 15:10

This kind of goes back around with what uh we talked about during Paranormal Con. Um, you know, I the thing that I we talked about uh before trying to get you on the on the podcast was mental health, and you know, that's what we raised money for, and you were very adamant. That's one of the things we talked about.

SPEAKER_00 15:31

Every day, dude.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

Tell me you're not one of those guys, you know, you're this big, strong, buff dude, but you also have these moments where you know men's mental health is very important, especially to guys like us. What do you think of that?

SPEAKER_00 15:46

Uh I I uh every day. I I go through every day I find someone to talk to. Uh and what I don't whether it be a guy on the street or whether it be someone I know or something. I'm I constantly send motivational messages to someone, if not multiple people, every day. Um I have found it does me good when I do stuff like that for someone. I don't know their situation, I don't have to know their situation, don't care sometimes to know their situation. I just want them to know that they're being thought of and that they matter. And sometimes that that's that goes a long way. And sometimes I get feedback and sometimes I don't. Sometimes it's just feedback and a smile. And you know what? If I can make someone smile, I did what I was supposed to do that day. And that's the way I look at things. And there are a lot of guys out there, my age and younger and older, that are going through some rough times. And it's and it's not just men, you know, there's a lot of women out there going through the same thing. And um, I don't like to see no one hurt, dude. I don't I don't like to see anybody hurt. It it hurts me to see someone hurt, and I get emotional because I can't save everybody. I can't save everybody, but I can save somebody, you know, and that's that's the whole thing. You know, if you go through life and just try your best every day to make someone else smile, then I think in the long run, you're gonna be happier and you're gonna you're gonna feel more joy inside. You know, I the way I look at life, you can't let no one make you feel like you're a nobody. I try to tell people that because, you know, whether it be going down the street and you get mad at someone in front of you or some road rage or whatever else, you know, you don't know what that person in front of you is going through. So yeah, they could be just on their phone and looking at Instagram driving. It happens all the time. But at the same time, you don't know their life. And you know, take sometimes instead of getting angry, just say hi or good morning or something like that to somebody. And it changes your day, it changes your life. So um, so thank you for bringing that up. But yes, every day, you know, I go to schools and I talk to kids, and and right now, and that's another thing that's fixing to come up too, April and May, especially May, the last few weeks in May, I have several schools that I go to. They ask me to come in and I talk about bullying, anti-bullying, and making the right choices before you go into high school. I like talking to middle school kids because those are the ones that are um, well, they're fixed to go into high school. And the the group of friends that you pick when you go into high school is is really important because they could lead you down one path or they could lead you down another path. And both of those paths are totally opposite, and you need to make sure you're making the right choice. And sometimes, and I tell them all the time, if you can't choose the right path, then walk alone. Sometimes it's hard to walk alone, especially telling a teeth a teenager that, but it's better to walk alone than taking the wrong path and getting in trouble and doing the wrong things. And I try to tell these kids that, and I've reached lots and lots of kids by going in there with my mask on and my tight shirts and you know, and all that stuff. And it they listen to me, man, and it makes me feel so good. I've got kids coming up to me crying, going, I don't want, you know, I want to, I want to choose the right things, I want to do the right things. And I just tell them, you know, I'm always here for you. Reach out to me, you know, have your mom or dad reach out to me. I'll I'll talk to you anytime that you need to. You know, just make those right choices. And um, because you know, you got to make the right choice uh to make a good change in your life, you know, and that's the only way, you know. Uh choices are uh they come really quick sometimes. And sometimes, and you're not gonna make the right choice all the time. You're just not. We're not, we even us as adults, we don't make the right choices all the time. I mean that's just what it is, you know, it's just the way it is, it's human nature, but you can't let it change you. You've got to stay on the same course and and and fix it. And uh that's what I try to tell these kids. You're gonna mess up. But this is the thing. If you're not failing, you're not trying. Yeah, you got to think about that. If you're not failing, you're not trying. So if you're winning at everything, well, you're just staying on you're staying comfortable and staying down there. Sometimes you got to branch out, but if you try something and you fail, that doesn't mean you quit. That doesn't mean that you you're done. That just means you gotta get back on the horse and do it again. It's it's that's all it is. You just gotta keep doing it until you get it right. All it is is your first attempt in learning. That's exactly right, man. And that's what I that's what I go to these schools and talk, but but thank you. But the mental health thing, I I try to, I try to I try to really reach out to to these veterans and um ex-police officers and ex-firefighters, and and anything with a high suicide rate, man, I try I try to talk to them and and let them know that they're loved, they're they're wanted, they're worthy, they're they're powerful, they're they're strong, everything, every day, man. And just um that's that's that's that's just what I love to do.

SPEAKER_02 21:25

Well as uh as a veteran, I appreciate that. Um and saying all that brings to mind uh a saying that is near and dear to my heart. I don't quite remember how it exactly goes, but the way I the way I say it is to the world you're just one person, but to one person you are the world. So like you could you know, you could be having a horrible day, but then you know, you see that one person and your world just instantly brightens because you're like the sunshine in the clouds. And it's you have That same effect on other people, whether you know it or not. That's exactly right. Like there are days that I'm down in the dumps and super depressed, or you know, just ready to do whatever, and then I see this lug, and I'm like, you know what? I'm cool. You know, because I mean we bounce off each other. He's the chihuahua of the group, full of golden retriever. Okay. Golden retriever, don't you? You know, yapping and high energy, and I'm over here like the bulldog, just like, all right, don't mess with me, and we'll be cool. But you know, you you gotta have that balance. You know, you you can you can be stoic and sit back and you know act all tough and everything. But I promise you, somewhere deep down, you got a soft spot. Everybody does. That's exactly right, man. You just have to embrace it at times.

SPEAKER_01 22:54

And that's why I talked to you about mental health at the con, man, is because you know, like I told you at the con, me and Tank both suffer suffer with mental problems. You know, I got we both had PTSD, we both have depression. That's only two of the things.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

I'm right there with you guys. I'm right there. I I had the exact same thing.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

So you get it.

SPEAKER_00 23:14

I I get it, dude. I do, I mean, when I'm 54 years old and can't sleep without a light on or a TV on, you know, you got problems, dude. And I can't because you know, I got PTSD really bad. And if any kind of any kind of dark spaces and I get hot, I I freak out, dude. I freak out. And we I I used to hate telling people that because I was embarrassed about it and everything else. But you know what? It's something that I've I've talked to psychiatrists, I've I've talked to people about it, I've tried to try to overcome it, and I overcome it in my own way. And um, that's the reason when I tell these people, you know, people sometimes I go to these different things, like on a movie or set or something like that. They'll say, I'm gonna put you in an Airbnb and you're gonna share a room. I'm going, dude, I can't share a room with nobody. And it and it and then I have to tell them, and it's like, dude, I have to sleep with a TV on and a light on. I said, most people don't sleep that way. They sleep in total darkness and all that. I said, I can't do it, man. And I I I freak out sometimes at night. And all the directors, thank God, are very sympathetic to me, and and they always put me up into my own hotel room and all that stuff. I mean, there's been nights, there's been nights literally two, three o'clock in the morning. I'm walking around a hotel room, sweating, going to the door, thinking about walking out, going to the window, looking out just to make sure that I've got open space because I feel like everything's closing in on me and I can't breathe. That's that's rough. That's rough. That's rough. And uh, when you can't sleep, when you lay in bed and you feel like you just you're just being suffocated, it's just um it's a rough time. And I know what people go through with PTSD, and and uh it just it bothers me, and I don't want nobody to go through what I go through, and that's the reason I try to talk to them, and it helps me too.

SPEAKER_01 25:02

I will say this this is this is for everybody. This is one thing I absolutely hate, and I'm saying this out in public. Okay, so obviously Tank is is a veteran. Uh, I don't know if you are a veteran, James. Yes, okay, okay. Well, thank you for your service. Um, but see, y'all both are veterans, y'all both have PTSD. Um when I tell people I have PTSD, the immediate thought process is oh, you a vet? No, I'm not a vet. I've never served in our military. I have something which I I make it shorter just by saying PTSD. I have something called C PTSD, which is child PTSD. So it just it's a lot to say, uh, and no one gets it. They always assume that I was in the military, and that's why I have it. I'm like, no, I no, that's not it. Um, so it's that's what I hate is that people compare that because not everybody has to be in the military to have PTSD. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Depression, anxiety. There's a lot of things that you can have that that doesn't have to have that stipulation there. That's exactly right. You just have it. I don't know if I'm using that right word.

SPEAKER_02 26:15

There's a there's a laundry list of illnesses and side effects and everything that you can it's not necessarily military, strictly, you know. There's no trauma from your childhood, trauma as an adult. I mean, firefighters get it.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

Police mine has nothing to do with military, mine has to do with firefighting, so it's it has nothing to do with the military. So yeah, I I agree with you, man. Jason, I I 100%. You know, I don't it doesn't have when people hear PTSD, yes, they think of military, they think of or police or something like that, you know. Yeah, I mean, I totally get it, but at the same time, there's so many different things out there that gives people PTSD. It does not have to be, you know, you think about a woman that gets beat, you know, she's got I think another military, yeah. You know, men that gets beat, yeah, too. It's it's so many different things out there, and and good lord, if we could get on that subject and talk for 30 hours. I mean, I mean, it's just it's literally, I mean, it's just there's so many, but yeah, I I I understand where you're coming from, Jason. Well, they don't need they don't they they they they shouldn't be doing that anyway, they should just love on you and talk to you and and say, hey dude, I understand, or or or don't understand, I don't understand, and I hate that you're going through that, or something like that. Then there's no reason to ask questions about where you why you got PTSD. It doesn't matter, or see PTSD, it doesn't matter, you know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 27:48

Well, I mean, like case in point, you know, like I said, there's a laundry list of things. Uh one thing that I just recently had my first bout with, and I I'd been fascinated by it and heard stories about sleep paralysis tons over the years. And I just had my first uh bout with it like maybe two weeks ago. That I I've done a lot of stuff in my life. I was in the military, I've worked security, I've worked construction, you know. I I've done a lot over my years. That is the most terrifying thing that I have ever had happen. Because like I felt like I woke up, I could not move. There was a in my mind, there was a big a big black mask with red eyes just sitting right there, staring at me. Like I could hear my wife talking to me, but I couldn't move. I couldn't re that is I broke down sobbing because I could not do anything. I am six foot four, three hundred and fifty pounds. I will force my way through things if I need to. That is the first time. That is the first time I've ever felt powerless, and I hated it.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

I just want you to know I'm laughing at at you at the fact because he I just want everyone to know he came to my house and told me about that that night or that day, and he's like, F that stuff. He was like, he was so he's like, dude, it was so bad. He's like, you know, I don't get scared. He's looking at me, you know I don't get scared, but F that yeah, no, hell with that. Yeah, he was not having it, he was not a happy camper, guys. Wow, that's crazy. So it yeah, I've I've had it one time and I was like 16 or so. So I I get I got where he where Tank was coming from. He uh when I had mine, mine was not a black mask, mine was a thing on my uh it was like a arm wall, I think it is like kind of like a desk like this. He was on it was like a skinny, like I can tell you exactly what it looked like. He was like a skinny figure, he was on top on the shelf looking down on me. I couldn't move, and he had a smile like the chest our cat kind of thing. And he's just looking at me and tilted his head, and the only logical thing I could do at the teenager stats at the time was put my covers over my head. That's all I could do. I just but yeah, it sucks. It it really does. That does suck, dude. Yeah, luckily, I won't have it recently, so but yeah, what about what about you, James? You ever had that?

SPEAKER_00 30:31

I've never had that. Uh not like that right there. Um I hope you never do, and I hope that I don't either, because more than likely I'll be by myself in a hotel room somewhere or something like that, and won't I won't have nobody around me to help me or whatever, and and uh I won't know what to do. Uh call me. Yeah, I'll I will.

SPEAKER_02 30:52

We're just so and we tell this to all the people like uh our buddy OG Taco. You know, we check up on him every other day. We're a phone call away, message away.

SPEAKER_00 31:02

I appreciate that, guys. And I'm the same way with with that's what I tell everybody. You know, I give people I give people my number all the time. People tell me you're crazy, you shouldn't be giving your number out. And I'm going, you know what? If that person ever needs me, I I'm good with it. You know, I don't care if it's two o'clock in the morning or whatever else. I I want to be there for that person, you know, if they need me. So, but um, yeah, no, I'm thankful that I've never had that right there. It's just uh um mine's just totally opposite. It's just can't breathe and and can't, you know, it's just uh it's a it's a feeling feeling of helplessness, pretty much.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

If if I may ask you, you don't have to answer, but if I may ask, what branch did you um serve in?

SPEAKER_00 31:44

I was a marine, yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 31:46

Oh, so he so he carried you around.

SPEAKER_00 31:49

I was in the navy. Oh, he was navy. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:53

It's okay. He he went on a boat with a hundred guys, and all the 50 of them came back as couples, so it's fine.

SPEAKER_02 31:59

Yeah, that's a submarine, sir.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

Oh, submarine, submarine.

SPEAKER_02 32:03

They allow women on ships.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

Oh, okay, got you. Well, I got something to show you. I'm gonna share this. I'm gonna share the uh my my screen. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 32:15

You were doing earlier.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

Yeah, it's my first time doing this. So, James, I'm sorry if I mess up on it. You're good, but we're gonna see this real quick. And it's this is not the picture. This is not hold on. This let's see. This is share screen windows. Okay, there we go. We're gonna share that one. All right, you see it?

SPEAKER_02 32:35

All right, no, he don't see it yet.

SPEAKER_01 32:38

No, but he does now. There we go. Ha ha okay. So that's not the picture. We see we see James in a nice, nice cowboy hat, you know. He still look looks, I guess, buffed on here. We see that on a horse. Everything's good, still, still a little buffy. James, tell me what happened here.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

What what happened there, bud? That that is um that's the show of a good actor where you can change into into looking like the dad role. Uh, that's uh yeah, that's that's a that was a movie that I shot it up in uh old eastern Kentucky up there, and uh I was playing a dad. I was the owner of a store, and uh that was that was cool. And I I love playing roles like that, man, because it it just um it it gives an another side of me, you know. I've I've and uh I I kind of love I kind of love that. I didn't know what she was gonna show, dude. That scared me.

SPEAKER_01 33:37

No, well, I mean, are you still the same size in that? Uh yeah, because you look skinnier in this photo.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

I I'll I probably was a little skinnier than I am now. I'm 6'2, I weigh 230 now. That one right there, I probably weighed about 220.

SPEAKER_01 33:52

It it just it kind of baffled me because oh yeah, there's Jason. There's Jason, everybody. Man, how was that to breathe in that?

SPEAKER_00 34:01

It was not easy to breathe in that. And and hey, dude, I'm telling you right now, that it was something I had to overcome. You know, like I said, I don't like tight spaces, and that right there, that right there pushed my limits to no end. And I got to where I was wearing it for about 20, 30 minutes at a time, and especially like filming, you know, I did all my own stunts in it. Um, I fought in it. Um, I fell, I threw people around, I I killed people in it. I and it, but I it's just something that I overcame. And when I got into character, it was like I was another person, dude. And um, because once I put that mask, I was Jason. Once I put that mask on, you did not hear a peep out of me. You know, if uh if someone asked me to do something, I just look at them and just turn my head back, you know, and I'd do it. You know, they know that I was listening, but I just it's just it was it was wild. But that suit weighed so much, and I lost I lost a lot of weight shooting that movie, actually.

SPEAKER_01 35:06

So, like, how how is that? Like, did they do they get the get the skin right here, and then you just had like a face opening and nobody put the mask on?

SPEAKER_00 35:16

No, it was um prosthetics on the entire face all the way.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

I couldn't do this is why I'm not an actor, everybody. All the way, yeah we we we see this, we see this, like you know, yeah. We see this right here, and like, oh, you know, I'll bring your daughter home whenever I want to. Hey, how's your mom and them?

SPEAKER_00 35:39

That's funny, dude.

SPEAKER_01 35:40

That's that's what that's what I see.

SPEAKER_00 35:42

Hey, I and I I appreciate that. That means that means I was doing I I looked the part. I did I did what I was supposed to do there.

SPEAKER_02 35:50

So it's funny that you said you were a store owner and that because when I saw that one, I instantly thought supermarket manager. That's what I owned a store.

SPEAKER_00 36:00

Yeah, that's exactly what it was.

SPEAKER_01 36:03

That's the that's great.

SPEAKER_00 36:05

I played I was in a movie with uh Eric Roberts, and uh he played a doctor, and I played a preacher, and uh it's uh that that was pretty cool. And then another one I was in with Eric Roberts, I was a motorcycle gang member, so I had my hair all flipped up and had tattoos all over me, all up down my arms and on my chest and all that stuff. And I I drove a motorcycle, it would do that was that was amazing, you know. So that was awesome.

SPEAKER_02 36:31

But uh well, yeah, I we have one quick question because I just found out about this, and Jay, I don't know if you know this or not. What was it like on Stranger Things? It was amazing. It was amazing. He was on Stranger Things, yes. Was he? What were you what were you doing?

SPEAKER_00 36:50

Oh season about that. I was season three, yes. Oh, getting that was amazing because I was sitting at home one day. I'll just tell you how I got the whole role. I was, you know, I was a real I was a real paramedic for 16 years, you know, with with the fire department and all that stuff. And um, I was also acting at the same time. Well, my agent here in Nashville, um, she called me one day and she said, Um, I need your availability on such and such dates. And I'm going, Okay, you know, I mean, depends on what it is. I said, I can do pretty much whatever, you know, I'll take off work or whatever I got to do. And she said, Well, it's for stranger things. And I said, Okay, I said, So I got an audition. She goes, No, they they've already hired, they need your availability to where they can bring you down and you're gonna be on this on the show. And I said, Oh, okay. So I I said, any day they want me. I don't care what it is. You just they tell me what day to be down there, and I'll be down there. So I went to Atlanta, uh, got I got on set and I met the um I met the one of the producers and he said, Are you the paramedic? And I said, uh, I am. And he goes, Come with me. I kid you not, they took me straight into Millie Bobby Brown's dressing room. Oh, wow. The director was in there with her. We we come in there, he introduced me to the director. I shook his hand, we talked. He goes, Okay, he said, Um, you're my paramedic. He said, You know, you're gonna, you know, you're gonna be in this. This is what we're gonna do. This, this, and this happened to her. I need you to fix her, and then you know, you'll be on screen and all that stuff with her. And I said, Cool, you know, and that was it. I was on this, I was on the TV show, and um that was the coolest. Just being on a set that big was that was that was probably it was, it was that it still is today, besides the Jason role. And um that was the biggest TV show that I've been. And I I'm gonna be on 911 Nashville next Thursday. My episode will be on there next Thursday. Um, I think it's next Thursday, I'm pretty sure. Um, but um yeah, that being on that set, you know, getting to see how things were run. You know, I produced several movies myself already before then, and it was like getting to see how things run on an actual TV set like that. How now you're talking thousands of people, dude? There wasn't even during um, I was at the mall scene and and they had military, I'm talking about helicopters and tanks and trucks and all this, and then they had two ambulances and and all that stuff, and firefighters and all that stuff going at one time, and then the main cast were there and all that stuff. It was crazy. So getting to be on that show just to just to be with the main characters and all that stuff, and and it was uh it helped me more more so as an actor than anything. I mean, it really did. I got to listen and watch these big name people work. And I'm talking about behind the scenes too, not just the actors, I'm talking about the directors, the producers, and all that stuff. And um, dude, I just kept my mouth shut and just watched and learned. And I I loved it. And ever since then, man, everything just blew up, man. I mean, I literally I've done a lot since then. That was years ago when I was on that show. And um, and um just things have changed for me big time, and I'm I'm so grateful, I'm so humbled by it. I I love every minute, and it was a it was a small part on Stranger Things, but it to me, it turned my entire career around. And um, it really did. And after that, just people started calling my agents and wanting me and different things and wanting me for different shows and and all that. And it's just dude, I think last year I did I did 25, 26 podcasts. Um, this year I've already though I'll I'll surpass that by a lot this year. I've already done 20 podcasts this year already.

SPEAKER_01 40:56

So you're saying we're not the only one?

SPEAKER_00 40:58

Hey, I'm just glad he decided to come home. Yeah, I agree. Dude, anytime y'all asked me to, I just I'm sorry I was late when it I feel like I was really late. I know I'm sorry, but I had some things go on here, and it was like, you know, but you know what? I was it was very hectic until I got on the phone with you guys, and now yeah, things are still hectic, but I'm here with you guys, and that's this is all that matters, and this is where I'm giving my attention to right now, is you guys, and that's the way I feel like that. I should do this. If if I'm gonna be in this role and I'm going to do this, then I need to show everybody respect that are that is that is asking me for the same thing, and I just that's just the way I look at things.

SPEAKER_01 41:41

Why can't all actors be like that?

SPEAKER_02 41:43

Well I know we've had a lot of people on our show, but I kind of heads. He's definitely top five, at least. Oh no, no, number one. Number one, like I love all the other people we've had, and I'm very happy they came on, but James is killing it.

SPEAKER_00 41:57

Yeah, well, I I appreciate that, guys. I really do. I I really do. I I I just I just love what I do. I love what I do, and I love how that uh my life has changed over the last 10 years, and it it really has. And um uh I've grown as a person and I've I've I've taken a lot of anger out of my heart and put a lot of love in my heart for a lot of people. And um, I don't let things bother me the way they the way I used to. And um I I've seen that it's um it's better for me mentally when I do that than it than it is to hold things in and to uh and I still have my times. I still have, you know, I still call people and talk to them and and and need need that reassurance myself too, because you know, I'm just uh I'm just an ordinary man. And that's what I tell people all the time. Yeah, I'm Jason Voorhees, but down deep I'm just James. I'm just an old country boy from Kentucky, and I'm just uh just a uh a very humbled actor that that loves his job. And I I do I love it more than anything in this world, and um I just keep getting these better and better roles, and I'm getting ready to do another movie called The Massacre, where I'm the killer in it, and the the the um the makeup and stuff is just absolutely I'm ball headed and uh um it's it's just they make me up, man. They paint me up. I look I look wicked. I have one eye that's white it out. It's just um I can tell you all that because it's already out now, and that we're we're promoting it very hard. We start shooting it in in July. I just shot another movie in Daytona Beach, Florida called The Hive. I can't wait till that comes out. I'm the killer in that one as well. You know, I and and it's it's a big honor to me when a director will call me or something and say, I want you to be my killer. I want you to, I want you to I want you to be my killer in my movie. And it's like, hell yeah, this is awesome, you know. And um it's just Big honor to me and I I appreciate it. And every movie that I'm in or in every podcast that I do and anything of every school that I go visit and every guy that I go talk to, I give my what and the conventions that I go to, I give them a hundred percent at every one of them that I go to. I don't care if I'm tired or whatever else, I give them a hundred percent and what happens happens. You know, I've been to con I've been to cons where I've made lots and lots of money, and I've been to cons where I've made less than a hundred bucks over the whole weekend. I don't care. I treat them all the same, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_01 44:35

Yeah, number one, at least number one.

SPEAKER_02 44:38

See, see the the the passion that he has, the drive that he has to get better, like honestly, that's the kind of that's what we strive for. Yeah, yeah, that that's I I want to be like that.

SPEAKER_01 44:54

I want number one spot games.

SPEAKER_00 44:57

Well, it it didn't come it didn't come easy, dude. I mean, yeah, it isn't. It didn't, and and it took a lot of uh hard lessons, and I'll be the first to tell you I I trip and fall just like everybody else does. And um, but I get back up and I put a smile on my face and I keep go moving forward and I pick up the next guy that falls because that's what's gotta happen. You know, we we gotta be there for each other. And um, if you don't want to do that, then stay out of our way because we're gonna come and we're gonna be there. And I mean that with all it's just like bullying, man. I don't I don't care if you're 12 or 98, I'll beat your ass. You bully somebody. I did I don't I don't like I don't like a bully, dude. I don't like I don't like a bully, whether it be a female or a male or whatever else. You know, I don't I don't like a I don't like people being bullied because it's just the look the the little guy's gotta have someone to speak up for them. And um and I I will do that in a heartbeat and don't hesitate to I mean and I've got the you know I've got the size to do it and I'll do it you know in a heartbeat.

SPEAKER_01 46:03

I feel like I got asked to be bullied. I've been bullied a lot of my life back in school, uh you know, swirlies, stuffed in lockers, beak, all that good jazz, and I tell people all that all the time. But see, I think I got asked to do it because you gotta think I'm a big as you can tell, I'm a big Naruto fan, like I'm a big nerd. And I and I told Tank this, but I was the type of kid that would go and just be like, ooh, whoo, who just do all these stupid ensigns. So I feel like I was asking for it.

SPEAKER_00 46:36

He was asking for and you know what that's the whole thing though, and and I've seen kids and and adults at the same time do same thing that you're talking about right there, man. And I don't care what they do, they still deserve they still deserve respect. And and if you don't respect someone, then you can't respect yourself. And that's the way I look at it. And you know, if if you if you go around disrespecting people and talking down on them and talking dead to them, you can't respect yourself for that. You can you can't, you know, and um I just I I can't I can't do that. And I I that's I won't do that. I won't. I won't.

SPEAKER_02 47:15

See, I I look at it this is my perspective from the outside looking in. Yeah, there's jocks, there's nerds, there's you know, everybody loves what they love. And in my mind, as long as what you're doing and what you love doesn't actively put anybody in harm's way, or it's not detrimental to you or your family or anything like that, that's what you do. There's a lot of stuff out there that's going on that people love that I don't understand. You know, I don't understand fairies, you know, but it's not my place to judge. You know, if if it makes you happy and it's not actively hurting somebody, or not putting you in some kind of strain or you know, some kind of situation that's gonna be detrimental to your health, do what you do. Yeah, you know, there's nothing wrong with it.

SPEAKER_01 48:09

We we've had fairies come to our table and we treat them just like we treat Joe, Jim, Bob, or Kim. Whoever.

SPEAKER_02 48:16

You know, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 48:17

That's how we see it.

SPEAKER_02 48:19

Speaking of speaking of all that, with uh, you know, not being number one for the show and everything, uh, I have to ask. Um, so you know, back in 2015 when you started, did that little short, you know, the switch. The switch? Yeah, how was that?

SPEAKER_00 48:38

What was that like? It was amazing, actually. Um, it was it was shot on a place called Copper Canyon Ranch in Hopkinsville, Kentucky. It's an active place right now today. It's literally an 1800th western town built out in the woods by this guy named Tim Emery. Great. I I look in I look in my family. I mean, I grew up around him, you know, because I grew up in Pembroke, Kentucky, which is about 10 miles from Hopkinsville. But um, I know I've known Tim and Chad and all them all my life. Well, Chad is a kind of a director writer himself. Well, he wrote this little short story called The Switch, and it was about um, it's kind of funny. It was it the way it was, it was a as a western town. This guy goes rides in on a horse with this electrical box on his horse, which is futuristic. And he turns the switch and he goes from, okay, you know the old black and white cowboy movies, right? Yeah. Well, it was shot in black and white, and then when he turned the switch, everything went to color. And it was like we're standing there going, What is going on? No, everybody's in color now, you know. So it was kind of cool. And um, I got to meet a lot of good people on that set, and um, but it was it was a it was great. I I got to ride a horse in it, and I got to do a lot of stuff, and it was just it was one of my first, one of my first films that I ever did. It was great. I don't, I don't know. I don't I didn't, it was just a little short film. We shot it over like two weekends, and um we ever we got to dress up in 1800s western wear and and do all that stuff, and it was shot pretty good. I I I loved how they shot it, and and it was just fun. It was just a bunch of people, it didn't had no budget to it whatsoever. We didn't get paid for it. It was all just a bunch of people out there having fun that loved the movies and doing that stuff. And I shot a lot of movies like that in my my early career, you know, absolutely for free. You know, I just gave up my time on weekends and stuff and when I could go and and we filmed and had fun, and you know, just a bunch of people getting together doing that, making some making, making art, the way I looked at it. And uh it was it was great. And uh so yeah, it was it was it was very fun doing. That was was this uh before or after the international pro rodeo? That was after, yeah. That matter of fact, oh yeah, I did that early, uh late 80s, early 90s. I rode professional, I rode professional. I I got my pro card in I think 1988, 89, and I rode professional for four years after that. So I rode for five years total, but four years as a pro. And um got to I got to riding some pretty big um I rode bulls and bareback and uh got to ride yeah, mm-hmm. Yeah, I rode bareback first, you know. The barebacks was always first, and then I would ride a bull at the end of the night, and you know, we we didn't know who we was gonna draw or whatever else, but I'd get on the back of a bull. I had a couple of wrecks and broke my whole face and all that stuff before, but yeah, it's it's it's been I just but it's like anything else, man. You just um get back up and get back on another one, you know.

SPEAKER_01 51:54

I wanna ask you one last thing on your uh IMDB and then and then we'll let you get back. Um can you tell me anything? Because I don't know if y'all guys are done with it yet. Can you tell me anything about Mr. Jackson Crawford?

SPEAKER_00 52:12

That has been put on hold. Okay, yeah, that's been put on hold. Golly, that that would be that I I I hope that comes to fruition one day. I do. Uh it's a it was it's gonna be a great TV series, and it's that's what they had it uh scheduled as is a TV series. Yeah, um, it will be phenomenal if it gets made. Um, it as you know, it takes a lot of money, a lot of funding to get a TV show together. Um, but that would be phenomenal if it is. I'm still working on something. I'm trying doing funding on another one, too, that I might direct myself. It's called Ichabod Crane. Um, and um we're gonna play the headless horseman. I'm gonna play the headless horseman because oh, that is wonderful. Yeah, so I'm working on some things with that right now. Um I'm matter of fact, I gotta get a hold of the guy that that that actually wrote it. He asked me to direct it, and um, so I'm and I'm gonna play the headless horseman. And uh, but if that comes to fruition, that is gonna be phenomenal.

SPEAKER_01 53:18

I looked at it and I read the synopsis of it, and I think that sounds great. That's that's what got me because I saw the pagan or I might as well say it, pagan the awakening. Uh but don't worry, if if I can't say it, editing.

SPEAKER_00 53:33

Yeah, no, no, no. You yeah, you can say I'm hoping that they come to fruition. I I really do. Um, that that was something that was brought to me a couple of years ago, and um I was gonna be the lead in it. And um, yeah, I'm hoping that that still is still something that that could come to fruition. I hope I hope. I really do. Fingers crossed. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's this is a hard, like I said, this is a hard business. It it really is. You know, if you it's kind of like Forest of the Trees, you know, if you can make a a feature film nowadays as an independent, you've done something pretty big. And get it out there and get it distributed and get it out. And and we're on like six platforms, and we're overseas now with uh with Forest of the Trees. I don't know if y'all have seen it. Uh dude, please go watch it. It's it's on Tubi, it's on Prime, it's on Screamify, it's on so many different uh I mean several other platforms, but go and watch that. I mean, and not just because of me, and by no means. I mean, there's a lot of characters in there you're gonna fall in love with that that are really good. The girl that plays my daughter Annie, uh, the girl that plays her girlfriend, um, Olivia Disney. Oh my god, the fantastic actors, uh, Scott Doss that plays the antagonist, the the bad guy. My goodness, he is amazing. So, you know, it's just there's so many different characters in that movie that you will like really like. I it was a very emotional movie for me because it's about a stepdaughter and I I have stepkids, and it's like um it just hits me hard, you know. And I don't I don't want to tell you, I don't want I don't want to spoil it for anybody, but it's it's really uh it's it's it's based horror. I mean it's it's it's the horror genre, but it's more suspense and it's more psychological a movie than anything, and it's really cool, and you'll see how it affects me. And um the tears that you see are real because I mean it just I went to some very dark places in that movie, and you'll see why, and all that stuff. So it's it's it's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_01 55:43

100%. I'll watch it. Thank you. I'm down, I'm down for it. Uh okay, James, you want to tell everybody where to find you on any kind of social media platform?

SPEAKER_00 55:54

Absolutely. You can find me on any of them, like TikTok, uh, Instagram, Facebook. I'm usually under James Stokes. You could find or Stokes.james either way. Uh, TikTok is James Stokes. Um, uh Instagram is Stokes.james, Facebook is James Stokes, um, IMDB, then go to IMDb and see everything that I've got coming up, everything that I've that's in the works right now, which is a lot. There's a lot in the works. I've got 70 credits to my name, and I've got if all of these things start happening, it's probably going to be close to 100. So it's like it's insane the things that we've got in the works. Um, but yeah, they can find me anywhere. Um Facebook, follow me. I I'm I'm close to my 5,000 friends. Um uh, but follow you can still follow me, of course, on Facebook. I post a lot of stuff on Facebook. Instagram is the best place. I I post a lot of pictures on Instagram of my movies and different things that I'm doing in my life and all that stuff. And then TikTok, every now and then I'll I'll get on TikTok. I used to do a lot more. Uh, I slowed down on TikTok, but um, but yeah, but I appreciate it, guys. Uh, it's it's guys like you that bring people on like me that if it wasn't for guys like you, you know, we wouldn't be able to get our word out and to and to promote ourselves and to promote our movies and all that stuff. So thank you guys so much for asking me anytime that uh that you want me on, I'll be on next time I'll be on time. Promise.

SPEAKER_02 57:24

I have uh just followed you on Facebook. So okay, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 57:30

I've already followed him on Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 57:32

Thank you, thank you, thank you guys. I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_01 57:35

Yeah, guys, if y'all guys see James at a con, please go by get one of these masks. He signs them with love and care. There's my with Leave No One Alive. So make sure you go by, see him, get an autograph. He's this has been in my living room like the whole time since you signed it, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 57:55

That's awesome, dude. And I'm gonna be at some conventions coming up. Like I was gonna tell everybody, you know, I'm gonna be at Chattanooga this weekend. Um, here in just a few weeks. Um, well, just well, yeah, dude, in a few weeks, I'm gonna be in uh a lot of places. I'm gonna be in BA, I'm gonna be in New Orleans, I'm gonna be in North Carolina, I'm gonna be in I'm I'm gonna be all over the place. I mean, I really am yes, New Jersey. Um yeah, I just left Virginia, uh, so I I'm gonna be at a lot of conventions and I do kind of post on my social medias where I'm gonna be at different times, so so people that are in the area or close to the area can come out and see me, and it and it actually does work. People actually do come to see me. It's kind of cool. I mean, I go to a lot of haunted houses in uh September and October. Uh go to one in Georgia every year. Last year I had 2,500 people. Oh wow, wow, we could barely get like 10 people in our anyway. Guys, it's absolutely insane. I uh they that they advertised that I was gonna be there in over 25. They said it was their largest night since they've been open ever. That's wow. Now, I'm not saying they all come to see me, they didn't, and thank goodness, because I would have ran out of pictures a long time ago. But the a lot of them did come see me, and a lot of them bought from me, and I I really appreciate that more than anything. But the biggest thing was is it brought people to the haunted house, and I love promoting haunted houses. I think it's fun. I think people need to go to haunted houses more and get your heart rate up, and just it's just fun, it's overall fun. You get to see new characters. These haunted houses don't have like regular Jason, some of them do, regular Jasons or Michaels and Freddy's. They they come up with their own characters, and some of them are amazing, like scary ass characters, dude. Like, like, how did you come up with that? I mean, I would make a good character in a movie, but it's just like so these haunted houses work so hard, and these actors, most of them, some of them get paid, some of them don't, some of them are volunteer, but man, they they love to scare people. The jump scares are the greatest. And it's just I I love promoting haunted houses and stuff like that. And I love when haunted houses ask me to come. I'm gonna go right back to the same asylum in Virginia this October during one of their haunted houses. They've already asked me to come back, so I'm gonna go up there and during one of their haunted houses, I'll be signing autographs out at the front door when they come in through the door. So it's kind of and that's at a real Hane asylum that is haunted like big time. So it's kind of cool. Come on, it's great, dude. And that's another thing. I get to go to all these paracons and stuff now, which is a crossover between paranormal and hot and horror, and it's absolutely phenomenal. The the group of people that have pretty much brought me in as their family, it's just it's great, you know, and and uh I love it. I love it. But stay in the gym, stay, stay strong, keep keep doing what you guys are doing, and I I appreciate it more than you'll ever know.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:05

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Bye guys.