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The Exodus Summary - with Allen Greeley

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Our guest to wrap up this month's discussion is Allen Greeley who preaches for the Plainfield Church of Christ. The conversation was rich and plentiful as we worked through some of the key takeaways from God calling Moses into service in Exodus 3-4, to the first 9 plagues that God brings upon Egypt and then finally to the 10th and final plague and the origination of the Passover. I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as we did! 

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SPEAKER_01

Hello and welcome back to Cultivating Growth. Want to thank everyone for joining us again this week. This is our last episode of the month. We've been in the book of Exodus. We've had an episode talking about God's call of Moses into service. We had an episode talking about the first nine plagues, and then last week we talked about the tenth plague and the Passover. And this week we're going to be doing a little bit of a summary episode on those. And we have a special guest with us. Jeremy will introduce him in just a moment. So with that, let's get right to it.

SPEAKER_00

Well, John, you may mention that we are kind of at the end of our discussion of this little piece of text in the book of Exodus. Certainly a story that's kind of encapsulated with Moses and really his introduction, and not necessarily introduction of Moses, but most certainly his relationship with God, which in a lot of ways kind of begins there in Exodus chapter 3 and then really carries, you know, forward to the very, you know, very end of the book, you know, the rest of the next several books really. And so I'm excited about talking uh about where we are. We do have a guest with us, Alan Greeley is with us from Plainfield Church of Christ, and we're excited to have him join us in this discussion as we kind of close out this idea. You may mention we've been over the last several weeks talking about uh Exodus chapter three and four first, uh kind of his call, if you will, to go to Pharaoh and ask for God's people to be let go, and then we spent some time with the plagues, really one to nine, and then the tenth plague and the Passover. So we'll kind of hold in that vein. And so we're kind of go back in time a few weeks to, you know, Exodus chapter three and four. And we talked about Moses really in a lot of ways being introduced to God and and who he is, and that relationship really kind of blossoming and growing there. And there's a lot of interesting things that comes out of that, and we talked about several of those things. And so I thought we'd kind of just maybe go around the table and maybe big picture it uh kind of here at the beginning and and think about specifically that story and maybe some kind of specific things that stand out to us uh that kind of comes to the forefront that we think is important or we think is interesting or is good application with that interaction that Moses has with God there in Exodus chapter three and four. So kind of Alan, we'll kind of throw it your way first. You know, what is maybe something that you know struck struck you and that passage that you find interesting that uh maybe we can begin to kind of talk about a little bit?

SPEAKER_02

First thing, th thank you for having me, by the way. This is this is awesome. I love the Old Testament so much, uh, how it relates to the New Testament. Um I love you guys, I respect what you do, so thank you for having me. Um biggest thing I I I think of when I think of the Burning Bush scene is God's name, you know, him revealing himself as as Yahweh and what that means, and and then how Jesus repackages that, you know, when he's talking to the Sadducees um about about who he is the God of. I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and and how you know if Yahweh means that he is always existing, why is he the God of dead people? Um so that's what I think of immediately is God's name and and just how powerful that is. But the other thing, I I think it was John that mentioned it in the in your guys' first episode on this on this passage, was just how faithful God is. Um He is remembering His promises to the Israelites, He's listening, uh He cares. Um His care, His faithfulness, and then His name Um are the biggest things that that jump out to me.

SPEAKER_00

I was gonna say we're jumping on top of each other. Just real quick, it is really interesting to me. It's almost in a weird kind of uh phrasing. We see this throughout, you know, both the Old Testament and the New Testament when it comes up with with God and who he is and his name, and you get that phrase, the I am, right? It you see that in the Old Testament, you see that in the New Testament, and you know, sometimes it you know grammatically it's odd, you know, when you say, you know, what's your name? I am. What what does that mean? Well, we we use that phrase all the time, and and I've always liked to think about it almost as it's a it's an infinite fill-in-the-blank. That's what God is, and that's what God is all about. I am fill in the blank because he is the everything. And it's one of those things that's difficult for our minds to grab hold of, and maybe we're not fully capable of grabbing hold of it, but it really is just an interesting thing when Moses kind of has that concern. Well, you know, what am I gonna say? Who's well I am the I am who I am, and then you see that carried. You're right, both the Old Testament and the New Testament, both this phrase, you know, continues to to kind of pop out, I I am, and God, Jehovah, he is the only one that's able, you know, to use a phrase such as that.

SPEAKER_01

That's something we didn't really talk a whole lot about that in that episode, so I'm glad you brought that up, Alan, because it it is. I mean, it becomes, uh especially among the Jews, it becomes such a special name to God. I mean, even historically and culturally, it became so special to them that they wouldn't say it out loud. I mean, it was that important to them. But you're right, it's something that carries all the way throughout Scripture, even to the book of Revelation, because as you pointed out, what that really means is God is, God was, and God will always be. There is a an eternity wrapped up in that name. And I think when we're seeing it all the way in the book of Revelation, the very end of the New Testament, I think it's essentially being summarized this way, as John writes, and he said to me, It is done, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. And so we almost get this bookend from the very beginning of Scripture to the very end of Scripture of God using his name to really summarize who he is. And there is an et an eternity wrapped up in that that I think you you're right, Jeremy, it's difficult for us to really understand. And I think that's the point. When God is making the point about who he is, he is beyond our ability to truly understand his eternity. He has always been, he will always be. And that was important for Moses and the people of Israel to understand at this time. That that God was bigger than Pharaoh, God was bigger than their concerns, God was even bigger than their generation, and they needed to know that to follow him the way that God wanted them to.

SPEAKER_02

And and so is Jesus. That's that that's the real shocking payoff of what we find in Revelation is that the God of the burning bush, that is Jesus the Christ. He is transcendent, he is bigger than we can imagine and and appreciate him.

SPEAKER_00

And we'll certainly see that, you know, carried throughout the the rest of this story. I mean, it is an introduction, most certainly to Moses and to the people, but also an introduction to Pharaoh and to Egypt. And we'll talk more about that here in just a minute. But it it is this introduction of uh I I am. And let me then d demonstrate what that what that looks like and and really what that is all about. I I thought before we leave, you know, this section, there's there's so much to learn throughout this full section in the book of Exodus about God and who he is, but we really begin to get some insight to Moses and and what he's all about. We talked a couple of weeks ago and we spent time in this episode. You know, I've never been a a huge fan of when you go through these two chapters of of throwing, you know, the excuse line, you know, on Moses, that you know, it Moses is trying to come up with these excuses. And you know, for us today, when we throw out that, usually we use we use that word, you know, excuse of just I want to get out of something I just flat don't want to do. Maybe it's something I can do, I just don't want to do it. And I don't think that's Moses here at all. I I think there's an honesty that's coming out of Moses that we will see carried throughout his whole relationship with God. I mean, he is moving forward. I mean, there are lots of conversations that will take place between Moses and God moving forward from here, and there's always this high level of honesty, you know, coming from Moses.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I I I love the point that you both made during that episode about these being more concerns than they are excuses. Um and God really doesn't get angry until He until Moses just flat out says, I don't want to do this, send somebody else, I'm I'm out. Uh but these these these reasons or concerns before are less of an excuse and more of l legitimate concern. If I if if I was being told to go lead someone out of the uh the the the most powerful nation on earth, I'd have some concerns too. Um But it's all about God empowering Moses. That's where our faith really needs to come from, is not in our own ability, but is God empowering me to do something.

SPEAKER_01

I like that a lot. And that, you know, I I actually had a sermon recently about you know being thankful for our weaknesses because in those weaknesses God's strength and his power is seen. That's kind of how he talks to Paul when Paul's expressing concern about his thorn in the flesh, that it through your weakness, the power of Christ is really demonstrated. And I think we see that with Moses. Moses expresses legitimate concerns, and in his eyes, those are hurdles, those are obstacles to him doing what God wants him to do. In the eyes of God, he sees exactly the person I wanted because through your weaknesses my power is going to be seen and demonstrated. And I think that's a different way of viewing these things. I think we see that all over Scripture. And God welcomes our questions and God welcomes our concerns being brought before him. He wants us to have the proper perspective of those things and to really recognize that some of the things that we may see as weaknesses, hindrances, obstacles are really opportunities for the power of God to be seen working through us.

SPEAKER_02

You can almost hear God saying, So you're a weak leader, that's great. Yep. Uh my power will be manifested even better. Yeah, that's exactly right.

SPEAKER_00

You're a terrible speaker. That's fantastic. I can take care of that. Exactly what I was looking for. You're exactly the one that I'm looking for. I mean, we see it really becomes a foundational principle for what scripture is. I mean, you see this kind of carrying out, you know, throughout, listen, here is something hard. God, he he lays on you something hard. You look at it, you're like, man, that's really, really hard. Well, without God, it's really, really hard. And now you have this foundational principle as if you have the faith to understand that God is there with you, this hard thing becomes something doable. And you see whether you see that with Joshua in Joshua chapter one, when you know Moses is dead and he's gonna be the leader of God's people, and Joshua's like, man, this is a this is a hard deal, and and God is like, It's not that hard, I'm gonna be right there with you. Or, you know, David and Goliath, he comes on the scene, and everybody else is like, no, this is a hard deal. This big old huge guy, but David's like, no, with God it's not that hard. And that foundational principle, I mean, really carries all from the very beginning of the book all the way to the very end.

SPEAKER_02

And you can you can see, I know we're gonna talk about the the plagues in just a moment, but you can see Moses' confidence um ramping up. So the only times that that Aaron is actually the spokesperson is in the first three plagues. And then it becomes Moses and and then sometimes God himself. But I I think that's interesting. You know, he needs he needs Aaron, and Aaron kind of kick starts it, but after those first three plagues, it's it's like Moses is is getting his traction. It's like get Moses is getting his uh momentum and and his his faith that God God is really behind us here and I can do this. Isn't that an interesting?

SPEAKER_01

I think that's a there's some really interesting application to that too, because I think we all have people in our lives that do those same things for us that man, I I want to do something, or I want to get involved in something, or but I'm I'm nervous about it, I have some apprehension. But if I have some help initially, then it opens the door and I begin to really you know blossom in this work or whatever it is that I'm doing. I mean, we see that all the time in our own lives, and I think uh God still places people in our lives to help us through times like that. And we see him doing that with with Moses and Aaron. He he knew Moses was going to need some help, especially early on. But to your point, I mean the person that we see in Moses in Exodus chapter 3 and 4, and the person we see leading the people of Israel through the wilderness are two completely different people. Different man. And but but Moses needed Aaron in those early days to help him through that, certainly God working through both of them. But he still does that for us today. I mean, we have people all around us that that help us during difficult times, help us kind of get started in something until we find our footing, and then we're able to move forward in that. And it's just a beautiful way. God recognizes what we need, who we need, and when we need it, and he puts those people in our lives.

SPEAKER_00

And he's operating. And he has the patience, you know, to allow that. Uh, you know, we made the point in Alan, you did as well. Every concern that Moses raises, God is not rebuking. Rebuking. You you're an idiot. You're you're you have no faith, you're a faithless person. No, it he he works with them all, you know, all the way through this. And so there is, you know, a level of patience because guess what? God knows how we operate, he knows how we work, but yet at the same time, there was that moment, you know, after all of these things have been dealt with, where Moses was like, I still just don't think I'm the I'm the one for it. And God's like, oh no, you're doing this. I mean, you're you're you're good, you're going, you're gonna do this, and ultimately does. And so we have now this really well-known story of these plagues we talked about last week. You know, when you start to kind of go through the plagues, it I think because of the visual nature of them, our our kids' classes, you know, and Bible classes talk about, you know, these things and they study these plagues. But if you really kind of work your way through this section, it it is d dark and it is a devastating thing. And the one thing that really struck me the most is in chapter five, when Moses goes to Pharaoh there for the first time, and he's like, Listen, uh, Jehovah has sent me, and you you need to let his people go. And Pharaoh answers there at the very beginning of chapter five, I don't know who this is. Never heard of that. I've never heard of this guy. I I don't I don't know what he's all about, I don't know who he is. And then really, at the very outset in chapter seven, when the first plague is there, God basically tells Moses, I'm gonna introduce myself. I'm gonna introduce myself to Pharaoh, and he's going to know. He's going to know who I am. And certainly, as he works his way through these plagues, whether it's at the end of the ninth plague with darkness, or most certainly after the uh the tenth plague, which we'll talk about here in just a moment, he introduces himself. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I I was able to listen to that episode as well about the plagues, and and your comments about knowing the Lord uh reminded me of a class. So r recently, I I'm still going through it actually. I'm teaching the book of Ezekiel, and there's 76 times in Ezekiel where God uses the phrase, you're gonna know that I'm the Lord. And so I started doing a uh a word search about this phrase. The book that uses it the second most is Exodus, and it's only about ten, depending on how how you translate it. So seventy-six in Ezekiel, ten here, and most of the time it's it's spoken to Pharaoh himself. And and it just it just dawned on me and hurt my heart as I thought about it. Like you have this world leader who needs to know who God is, has no clue who he is, and that became his people. They they ended up not ha having a clue about who God is, and and when that happens, something drastic generally needs to happen. It was the plagues in this instance, and it was the captivity in the instance of Ezekiel. Um but when God when when people have no idea who he truly is, um he gets their attention.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Well, it it falls on on his people to make sure to introduce him to everyone that we can. If somebody doesn't know God, they need to be introduced to him, because to your point, in the absence of that, destruction is going to follow. And and I think that's unfortunately to your point, you know, Pharaoh's identity seemed to kind of be get wrapped up in you know not knowing God, and one of the reasons is because Pharaoh thought himself to be a God in a lot of ways, and so the idea that there was a greater power than he was almost beyond his comprehension. But, you know, unfortunately, I mean, we still see people in the world today that simply don't know the true God. Maybe they think they do, or maybe they have an idea, but they don't know God as Yahweh, as the one who is eternal, as the one who is all-powerful, as the one who holds judgment in his hands. And it is it's such a terrifying thing to think about going throughout life and not knowing God. And I think to your point, that's why we see it so many times, whether in those exact words or in that idea and that concept, which I think is even wider, wide more widely spread than even those exact words, God wants people to know him, and he goes to great lengths to make sure that everybody knows who he is and what he's capable of.

SPEAKER_02

It's it's the foundation of everything. It is. I I know the greatest command is to love the Lord our God with all of our heart, soul, strength, and mind. But why why do we love him? Because we know him. Yeah. He's so awesome, he's so gracious, he's so merciful, he wants to save us so desperately. He gave his only son. So the moment we get away from from knowing him, it's the moment that we get away from love, it's the moment we get away from obedience and and true devotion.

SPEAKER_00

And biblically, every time it's made mention of somebody or groups of people or a group of people that doesn't know God, it's always then followed by something really, really bad that's about to take place. Whether it's here with Pharaoh, whether it's at the end of the book of Joshua when the generation, you know, is gone and you know they you know another race is up that doesn't know God, and then the book of Judges unfolds, or whether you're reading in Romans chapter one, where Paul makes the point of, you know, here even though God is manifest, he's right there in front of you. If you push him away, if you push the pro truth aside, uh you're you're left to all sorts of debauchery and wickedness. You he'll give you over. And so it's it's always you know heading in that direction. And that's exactly what's going to happen here. Is is Pharaoh is like, I don't even know who this guy is, and he he's gonna find out. And so you have these nine plagues that are unleashed, you know, upon Egypt. And, you know, that it's really interesting. I'm currently teaching right now the book of Revelation, and and you're working through, you know, the book of Revelation, and there's an incredible judgment that's coming upon Rome. And, you know, in the middle of that book, you you have the seven trumpets that are are given, warnings. And he has all of these opportunities, and that's what God is. He wants people to repent, he wants people to turn, he wants people to know him. And so he gives opportunity and gives opportunity and gives opportunity. And these trumpets are are wailing in the book of Revelation, but you get to the end of that text, and you know, you have there in Revelation where it says that even after these seven trumpets, there was no repentance. And because there's no repentance, uh God's wrath has to come. I see that here with Pharaoh, is that he had all of these opportunities. Even Moses, after several, you know, plagues, he continues to go back to Pharaoh. He says, listen, you need to and Pharaoh continues to say, No, you know, I'm I'm not gonna do that. But each of these plagues is an opportunity that God is giving Pharaoh to repent, to turn, to understand who he is.

SPEAKER_02

That was one of my favorite points from that episode from you guys. I forget who who used the word, but one of you used the word long suffering. So and you made a you just said this uh when we segued into the plagues. It can be dark, it it can be harsh, it can be brutal. On the other hand, there's multiple opportunities. Uh so so yeah, these opportunities are God's patience, his long suffering.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I'm looking, you know, just looking at the first couple of plagues here, as as remarkable and even terrifying as they are with the water becoming blood and the frogs and the lice. After that first plague, Pharaoh could have recognized who God was, turned the people loose, and it would have had very minimal impact on his land and on his people. Even after the second plague, relatively minimal impact. It's a story that would have been told about hey, you remember that time when all the frogs came out? That was crazy, wasn't it? There's stories that could have been told with relatively minimal lasting impact, but yet he continued to deny God and continued to deny who God was and what he was being asked to do. And so the plagues had more and more and more impact on the people, on their livestock, etc., to the point that obviously we get to the culmination when lives are ultimately taken as a result of this. But I think we do see God's patience and long-suffering. Hey, this can have relatively minimal impact on you if you're willing to acknowledge who I am and let these people go. If you're not, it's only going to get worse from this point forward.

SPEAKER_02

And not just minimal impact, but positive. Remember what God said to Abraham in Genesis 12, I will bless those who bless you. And that's not just the promise to Abraham, but that's a that's God's promise to his descendants. So uh Pharaoh, yeah, he could have minimized the impact, but he also could have received blessing had he blessed Israel.

SPEAKER_00

But he just doesn't. And he continues to keep the hard heart all the way up until he has all of these opportunities. And then again, like you have in Revelation, uh, there are incredible warnings, but it is God's long-suffering. He is patient, but he's also just. And there there isn't a a time where his wrath is going to be poured out, as it was to Rome, you know, most certainly the book of Revelation, and as it is here. And so when you get into that tenth plague, I do find it interesting in chapter 11, kind of at the you know, after the darkness of plague number nine, God is talking to Moses in chapter 11 and verse 1, and he says to him, I will bring one more plague upon Pharaoh. God knows this this is the opportunities are are over. It's over, right? I will bring one more. And I'm telling you at the end of this, the people, it's over. The people are are going. And so you start to see how God operates, not just with Pharaoh, or not just in Revelation with the city of Rome, but an understanding of that. That's that's how he he i he he is for me. Every single day that I have that I'm breathing as I wake up in the morning is an opportunity to glorify him. It is a blessing that will come from him. But there's a a day coming where those opportunities will be d over. And it is his justice then that will take over, and that's most certainly what's going to happen here with this tenth plague, as John made mention, lives lost uh across, and it it's over. It's over for him. His opportunities are are are gone.

SPEAKER_02

I also find it amazing that this this last plague, you guys did a good job in the in the plagues episode of of noticing that there was a few of them where there was a distinction. You know, God even says in chapter eleven, um, I will make a distinction between Israel and Egypt. But it was always passive. But in this last plague, they're actually asked to do something. Um and I'm sure we'll we'll we'll segue to the to the New Testament in just a moment, but I because the New Testament imagery of the Passover is used so much, and the fact that that plague required something of the Israelites, I think is significant.

SPEAKER_01

I think it's it's significant. You're right, both for us as Christians today and the application that makes for us. It was significant probably for the people too to recognize okay, now we're a part of what's happening here now. Something is being asked of us in order to leave captivity safely and to be led to the promised land that God has given to us and prepared for us. I think that's that's an important part of understanding God's relationship with mankind. He has provided everything for us. He's provided a way, he's provided forgiveness, he's provided grace, he's provided hope, he's provided all that we need. But there is something that is asked of us. It is not passive, to your point. Being a child of God is not passive. Much is asked of us. Not to save us, but in response to the opportunities that God has given us and what he has provided to us. The land that he has provided to his people, God has prepared that for them. There's they didn't do anything to prepare that land. God did that. But in order to benefit from it and to really partake of its greatness, something is asked of them. And I think that's a great parallel and application for us as New Testament Christians.

SPEAKER_02

There's a lot of blessings that we're we're completely passive in receiving. He rain, you know, he the rain falls on the just and the unjust. But this one specifically is the parallel to leaving sin. And that requires something of us. That that is that is so significant in my mind.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I mean, we we used uh kind of the example of Noah, you know, in uh God coming into him and say, Listen, I'm destroying things, but I'm gonna offer you a way of salvation. Here's what that here's what that looks like. Here's that path. Here's what here's here's that path. And and then he had that decision of I'm gonna take that path and build this uh boat in the exact way, a very specific way that God has given to me, or I'm not gonna do that and I'll be and I'll perish you know like everyone else. And that's what he has done. And so what you have here in this part of Exodus, especially in in 11 and 12, as this last plague comes down and you have the Passover and and everything surrounding that, there are all kinds of parallels and and types and shadows in the the New Testament to the Old Testament, and and some are more difficult to find and to see. Not this one. I mean, this is the brightest of all of them. I mean, it is the brightest of all of them. When you see all that is surrounding what they had to do, it pertains to the the Passover specifically and preparing themselves for it, the remembrance then of moving forward, and you get into the pages of the New Testament and the points back of Jesus and his sacrifice, our remembering that through the Lord's Supper. I mean, all of that. It is the most blaring and brightest of type and shadow and parallel that you have, I think, almost anywhere from the New Testament to the Old Testament. And I think that is on purpose because of the importance of it. John made mention last week, it is a life or death scenario that the Israelites found themselves in here. You do this, you live, you don't, you die. And for us spiritually, it's the same.

SPEAKER_01

Jesus speaks of this. He will, you know, he he kind of brings this imagery to light. Uh New Testament writers do, or there's John the Baptist early on in Jesus' life, or I mean, uh, you know, so much of the book of Hebrews kind of points to the imagery of Jesus being our sacrificial lamb. It's something that almost in order to truly understand Jesus as that perfect sacrifice for us, we have to go back and try to understand the Passover and what transpired here because it it helps illustrate Jesus and what he has done for us so much more vividly. And so this is an instance where I think, especially for new Christians or for people who are first coming to understand Jesus and to explore him for the first time, I think it can be helpful to do a little bit of a overview of the Passover in order to truly understand some of the language that's used around Jesus in the New Testament.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, in fact, I I was studying the Lord's Supper not too long ago, earlier this year, and I was in Luke 22, and the first 15 verses of Luke 22 leading up to the Lord's Supper and through the Lord's Supper, the Passover is mentioned six times. Six times in fifteen verses. So like Luke is sending off sirens to say that this New Supper, and I know that they were taking the Passover, but there's a reason why he instituted the Lord's Supper during the Passover. So yeah, if we just read the New Testament accounts in the in the synoptics about the Lord's Supper, that's good and healthy, and first Corinthians 11 is is great. But to truly appreciate what we're doing on the Lord's Day, I I think is seen in the Passover best.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I would agree a hundred percent. I think it's it's one of those instances. Sometimes uh it can be a little bit intimidating for someone who is new to these things to kind of go back to the Old Testament and try to work your way through some of that. But but you're right. I mean, uh the the Lord's Supper is such an integral part of what we do as Christians on the first day of the week and to truly appreciate what we are observing and why Jesus is that perfect sacrifice for us. It all traces back to the Passover, and that's why, you know, we mentioned it last week that God even gives the people uh an answer to a question that hasn't yet been asked about, hey, when our children ask about the purpose of this, what are we supposed to tell them? I think he's giving us kind of an indication that these things need to be remembered. These things need to be talked about, and this in particular is a theme that's going to be carried throughout the rest of the Bible.

SPEAKER_00

You even have, I mean, not to jump too far out of the book of Exodus, but you know, a year from that point there in Exodus 11 and 12, when they get to a year removed when they're to, you know, kind of remember that first Passover and keep that there early on in the book of Numbers, that that becomes a really important moment for them because it was very personal for them. That they can all remember back, you know, a year. And then you had that really interesting conversation of people who, you know, whether for whatever purpose, you know, became unclean, whether they come in contact with a dead body or whatever the case, and they were concerned about that. Well, I don't I don't want to miss out. I don't want to miss out on, you know, having this opportunity. And they go to Moses like, hey, talk to God for us. I I don't I don't want to miss out. And then God provides, you know, a way for them, you know, to remember it as well because they understood the significance of that moment. And for us as New Testament Christians, that that's what the Lord's Supper is. It is an opportunity to really remember and to consider the significance of Jesus on the cross and that blood that was shed.

SPEAKER_02

God tells Moses, you will never forget what happens this night. Yeah. And and I I think about that sometimes when I take the Lord's Supper. God whispering to us, Jesus whispering to us, you will never forget. That's that's the point. Yeah. Um I needed him.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, there's no question. Listen, we can go a long time and talking about these things. We can go a long time. But we'll uh we'll kind of put a close to this. It is this, you know, idea and picture that carries itself throughout the entirety of the New Testament. It is Jesus depicted as the Lamb. From the literal very beginning of the New Testament to the literal very end of the New Testament. It is Jesus depicted as a lamb, and that is to draw our mind back to that moment in Exodus chapters 11 and 12. Even so much with John the Baptist. When John the Baptist in John chapter 1 kind of sees Jesus, you know, and he's almost introducing Jesus, you know, to the world. You have with John chapter 1 in verse 29 that John sees Jesus coming towards him, and he says this behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin.

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