Hey, this week, on Star Wars Sucks, we're lurking in the shadows of malevolence and creeping around with the accolade and we've got a guest, so stick around. Lots more to come this week. There we go. Howdy succulents, welcome to Star Wars Sucks, your non-toxic, low-sodium Star Wars show. That doesn't make you feel bad for not knowing that Billy Dee Williams' full name is William December Williams. So whether you're a hardcore fan or just a little swarzy curious, this is your star wars safe space. And, of course, we are the circle of nerds and we do absolutely love star wars, even if we don't always like it. So we're gonna go around and meet the crew this week. To my left, your right star of stage and screen, it is the sensational sherry hello everyone and I'm looking.
Speaker 3:Not I'm sorry, I'm I meant the applause, I meant the applause.
Speaker 1:no, don't leave. You're the only reason people listen to the show. I doubt that we need a girl on the show. And from the Outer Rim territory of Bostween, it's Daddy Louie. Hello children.
Speaker 5:God, you're such a creeper, you're such a creeper Look man, I can't help it sometimes.
Speaker 1:I know you can't but we love you anyway.
Speaker 5:It just comes out.
Speaker 1:And hailing from parts unknown. It's t to the oni welcome back to the galaxy hey, hey. And joining us flying in pilot of the infamous parma flyer special guest crash hi folks, how doing?
Speaker 4:Half the internet right now just went. Oh shit, that guy Not that guy?
Speaker 1:Jeez, every Star Wars nerd in Northeast Ohio is just like ugh. Sorry, there's only like 20 people that listen to us at the moment. So you're fine. You're fine. And of course, I am Tommy Dean. I'm one of them, so you're really an 18. What? Who's under 18? No, he's, I'm one of them. Oh, all right. So yeah, we're down to like 18 19. So, and I am tommy d, you're more than slightly about star wars no at all.
Speaker 1:So what are we doing here? Well, our mission is to watch all of the canon star wars films and tv shows in chronological order, breaking them down, connecting the dots and learning more about star wars, and maybe even a little about ourselves along the way. And and I must warn you, there will be spoilers. So if you're not caught up to where we are right now as we're going on our journey, uh, please do be aware there's going to be some spoilers. So this week we're talking about the Clone Wars animated television series and what we're doing. This week we're talking about episodes one through four. All came out in October 2008 and all take place around 22 BBY. Episode one has us tagging along with Yoda and a squad of clones as we get a little taste of politics, but there's still enough action to keep things interesting. Then we get a three-episode arc that revolves around the Separatists' ridiculously large, clearly compensating for something ship the Malevolence, a brutal ship with two gigantic ion projectors that are more than a match for anything the republican throw at them, or so they thought so.
Speaker 1:A quick word on bby and aby, for those of you that are new to the star wars universe. We like to let people know what that is, because we do use that terminology a bit, and we like for you to know. So, uh, the events of star wars a new hope, the very first star wars film, which released in 1977. Um, what happened? Tony dropped out for a second, okay, 1997. Uh, the events of that film are considered year zero on the timeline. Anything, so anything, that happens before star wars new hope is bby. Anything that happens after is abY, so you'll hear those popping up. So we are going to get to the Clone Wars here in a second, but we have to talk about the final episode of the Accolade. It is easily the most hotly contested Star Wars product in the history of the franchise. I have not seen this much division and argument and hate and debate over anything in Star Wars, maybe Jar Jar, but even that was not even close to what we're seeing with the accolade I I'm last jedi.
Speaker 5:Last jedi was the hate on on the internet, for last jedi was pretty bad too it was bad, but this is this is no. No, this is still going on they don't let it go?
Speaker 1:yeah, they don't know. Star wars fans never let anything go, like that's just our thing. It's like we never, ever let anything go. I actually I posted something on in a star wars subreddit and I I said, you know, I, I'm I'm about to check out, is the star trek fandom as toxic as the star wars fandom? Because I need a little peace and quiet, I need, I need something, and that that thread alone blew up and answered my question. There were there. Star Trek fans just aren't as loud as we are as star Wars fans, but there were people I just simply asked is, is there a toxic fan base? And he told you there was. And, oh my God and boy, they came out. Everything has a toxic, everything which is.
Speaker 2:it's ridiculous. Everything has a toxic, Everything, which is ridiculous.
Speaker 1:Everything. Someone said that Zelda. Right now there's a. There's a lot of divisiveness going on in the Zelda fandom over the last couple of games.
Speaker 5:Well, the newest game coming out is about have you been to a Star Trek convention?
Speaker 2:Not a purely Star Trek convention yeah, not purely no.
Speaker 4:Okay, those folks are wild in that there's a hardcore group that grew up or grew old on the original stuff and the big divide seems to be between classic Star Trek versus new Star Trek. If you're seeing a pattern here, it's the same thing with Star Wars. You got the original trilogy. Die hard is my childhood. Oh my god, jake lloyd ruined my childhood versus the. Hey, I like new stories.
Speaker 2:Let's give this a shot, and it's like it's a total parallel right and I think it just all depends on the person, because I like the new stories and I grew up Strange new world With the old Star Wars. Exactly, it has nothing. I mean I don't know, it's the mindset.
Speaker 1:It is.
Speaker 2:Like calm down, it's a show.
Speaker 1:It is.
Speaker 2:It's not real, it's fantasy, it's not that serious it's not, it's not. I love it. I think it's fun to talk about. You know, you guys do your costuming. It's great. Oh, I think that's awesome to me, but it's nothing to get angry about and so many people do this.
Speaker 1:So when we're talking about the acolyte, over the silliest things over the silliest things, the, the, the, the biggest thing that I've seen now because it's like a lot of a lot of the haters for the accolade are starting to like backpedal and they're looking for like these really really minute things to nitpick because I feel like they're like actually closet fans, like they actually really do like the show or they're hating on it to pay the bills, like micro penis star wars theory, so like he has to, whether he likes it or not seriously fuck that guy fuck that guy.
Speaker 1:Recently he was complaining about how episode 8 breaks canon. And it's like you, stupid motherfucker. It's like who made you the star wars god that decides what does and doesn't break canon. The only people who decide that are Pablo Hidalgo and Leland Chee and their team. They're the ones who decide what is and is not canon. So for whatever you hate about the acolyte guess what boys and girls, it's fucking canon. So big fat lightsabers bleeding that crystal and creepy creeper toth plagueis creeping in the background, nude bathing, all of it. It's all. It's all canon now.
Speaker 2:So I think what's what I really liked was the whip lightsaber, and so I want dope right, I want the lights Are you shitting me. It's freaking sweet, so now it's canon, thank you.
Speaker 1:And it's canon, so thank you. It's like Indiana Jones.
Speaker 4:And stuff that they did in animation with the light whips and stuff like that. It's so easy the fact that they've transitioned these things into practical real life. I've got one of the Galaxy's Edge lights. I went down there. I built my own lightsaber. It's sitting on my mantle right now like a samurai sword, a place of honor. I love it. This thing is huge. This would be the murder weapon in Clue if I ran into the club somebody with it. Compared to some of the ones like the costumers and the saber duelists use, but it's got so much detail and just the ones like the costumers and the saber duelists use, but it's got so much detail and and just the idea. Like you don't think 100 years before the prequel trilogy the technology might have been a little clunkier. Have you seen phones from the late 90s people?
Speaker 4:of course I mean, if you go back like I'm.
Speaker 1:I'm one of those eu fanboys. So, of of course, you know, because we you know, and I think most of us here are about about that era as well, the original trilogy era, where we we had 16 years of nothing except for the books, the books and comics 16 years. And, speaking of breaking canon, george Lucas pissed on 16 years of canon with the EU when he came out with the prequel trilogy and made all of the eu into legends. Now, but anyway, but anyway. So in legends there's at one point they had lightsabers plugged up into battery packs to make them work, they had cords and cables and they were hooked up to power packs. So, yes, crash, you're, you're 100% Technology changes. So of course, I like the fact that they made the lightsabers fatter and chunkier for this series.
Speaker 4:Coran Horn had a lightsaber that not only changed blade color but length with the flip of a switch, which that part you're like. Okay, you could almost retcon that to work like going from like a mini blade to like to a full size, broad sword size blade. That makes sense, changing color. You know how did you have two Kyber crystals? How does that work? I don't know, I don't care, it just sounded cool on paper.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:And horn Isn't. Isn't he the uh oh man? I think I always called him the Robin Hood Jedi, because didn't he always have green robes? Was he the guy that?
Speaker 4:They always described him as an all green. His X-wing was green, his robes were green.
Speaker 1:The Robin Hood Jedi. Alright. So episode eight Acolyte Crash our guest. Your thoughts standout moments. So the way that we do it, we've got our light side, pros, dark side, that's the cons and our blast points. So anything that really stood out to you made an impact or some kind of a hot take. The floor is yours.
Speaker 4:Okay, thank you, sir, loved it first of all, but especially this had there's so many things going in where I was thinking like okay, this could be a one-off story about the pre-prequel era and we'll just. You know, we're showing this girl going around killing Jedi. She's got a grudge. We're doing the whole samurai revenge thing. I was like cool. And then you come at me in the last episode with all of this stuff, all of the backlash.
Speaker 4:I've heard so many people on Twitter and stuff griping about the Jedi. This proves that Jedi are bad. I'm like no, it just shows that even good people make mistakes, which is sort of a theme in morality tales. You know luke's luke will get a mistake by lashing out at his father, lashing out at ben solo, almost. You know lucas wanted these stories that like teach young adult kid. You know Lucas wanted these stories that teach young adult kid kind of right from wrong scenarios.
Speaker 4:And what would you do? What should you do? You know, first thing you shouldn't do is burn down your home because your sister wants to go to summer camp, but also you also shouldn't go when the police show up. They shouldn't lie on the report and say you never had a sister, but she burned down the house. Oh wait, no one of us ended up killing everybody. The way they twisted the official report of the story. She never has a sister, so who's this person showing up killing us? Oh wait, I forgot, she has a sister.
Speaker 4:Guys, all that came to a head and I love that they brought it back to the witch's home, where it's like literally everything went wrong there in the previous episode and everything sort of worked their way back where everybody's work out their issues. It was like the worst family reunion ever, where everybody's like I got beef with you and I got beef with you and the two that walked away at the end are the ones that survived. And I was like this is amazing, sign me up for season two, now Forget Yoda. And then they hit you with that little yoda cameo at the end it's like oh yeah, maybe we should explain to the high council.
Speaker 2:We effed up sherry you had so that's too yeah well, no, not about yoda. They, I mean, they really did have something to say because in the beginning they told her, they told them not to take those girls and leave them alone yeah, the council did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the council did do what they were supposed to do in this, in this instant. So that's the thing that pissed not pissed me off, but oh yeah, it's, it's ridiculous because not to do it. And then you're like, oh I, I just I feel like they're unsafe or whatever. Like dude, what, how do you fucking know? Like you don't know I really want a padawan, right like so. You were so thirsty to have a student.
Speaker 1:You stole some girl, that's what the fuck after breaking into their house breaking in like they didn't even I mean at least climbed in, I guess.
Speaker 2:But then you got freaking oh boy like oh yeah, get in there and you can't knock on the door.
Speaker 1:And again, did not use the force to climb.
Speaker 2:They just fucking well, they didn't use the force to open up the door either.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I know anyway, but anywho all right, so so crash. Thank you, sorry, no, no, no, no, go ahead, go ahead. What are your light side, dark side and blast points?
Speaker 2:You know I'm not good at that.
Speaker 1:Okay, what did you like, what didn't you like? I know right, you know what Another thing Crash. We'll circle back around, but predictions, maybe predictions for season two?
Speaker 2:If there is one, yeah, there should be, there should, but I I don't know with all the but um, no, I again, like I said, the series is fine. I thought it was a fun watch.
Speaker 2:I have no issues with that, um, but a little bit of it was, you know, the jedi's arrogance and I think they did need to show that um, yes, and it wasn't all of them, obviously um, but them hiding behind the council and so, unfortunately, I don't want to say saul and them deserve what they got, but they kind of did they kind of brought it on themselves they kind of did.
Speaker 2:They should have left it alone. Only, I only say that because the council told them to leave them alone. Yeah, that's the only reason I say that. Other than that, you know, I, I see what they you know for a storyline. It was great, um, but um, and then the girls. I mean that, that was. That was a twist to me. I did not think she was going to kill. It was Osha, yeah, yeah, that Osha would be the one.
Speaker 1:The first force to kill her master, the first force choke in chronological order anyway.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So she was like stop talking.
Speaker 2:I just was like I didn't think she was going to go through with the whole thing, yeah, I didn't think Saul was going to die.
Speaker 3:I didn't even think saul was gonna die?
Speaker 2:I didn't, I just thought, maybe she would choke him out, you know well, this is of course game of thrones.
Speaker 1:Star wars edition.
Speaker 2:No one has plot armor like at all but, and that's the beauty of it yeah, yeah, so I so what yes, I don't know what are your thoughts?
Speaker 1:I'm curious what are your thoughts about the scene where, um because this has been getting a lot of controversy as well the scene where the the kyber crystal touches her skin and starts to absorb all her hatred? I see, I see louis over there freaking out I think it's awesome we're gonna have to go to louis here in a second, okay yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 2:To me it's great. It just makes for a good story Because, again, I like the stories. This is all fantasy. This is not something that I'm like gonna argue about, because this is whatave filoni they're. They're doing what they're making up a story. This isn't real. This isn't real physics. This isn't real science.
Speaker 1:This is fun and I know, I know you're not, you're not aware of this yet, but this is not the first time that we've been introduced to this concept of, uh, a crystal, quote-unquote being bl, I've heard. Yeah, so, like in some of the video games and in some of the novels and comics, even Vader has done it, you know. So there's a whole process to turning a light, a kyber crystal, dark.
Speaker 2:I mean, aren't the crystals picked by them and things like that?
Speaker 1:they used to be. Yeah, they used to be.
Speaker 2:I mean, couldn't be part of the living force or whatever, when she turned evil and it touched her well, that's the thing that it's that hate.
Speaker 1:It corrupts the crystal right because they don't say they're not naturally occurring red. Usually the red ones are synthetic or they're corrupted in order to become that blood red. So I think, so I think that was a good touch I thought that I at least to me I flipped out when I saw that, because I've only seen that in video games and comic books, and now we're seeing it happen on screen yeah, so it was great to see it in live action and
Speaker 4:animation and video game animation sometimes can over exaggerate, but you know, comic book artists can really throw some flair around and make it this big dramatic thing. And you're like, or they could just be really pissed off and holding the blade and I love the way the blade like the poor led designers are at disney are like okay, we got to make a lightsaber for galaxy's edge that can go from blue, but it's got to slowly creep up. That was so cool watching the red just seep up the blade where. You're like oh yeah, that's great. You just can't wait to see the fans try to like all the great prop builders now going damn, I got to make a two-tone LED now They'll do it, it'll happen.
Speaker 1:Daddy Louie, I got to get to you before you explode because you're, you're over there. Go, just go, man, I'm not even asking, just go, because you, I can tell already you got a lot.
Speaker 5:So okay, all right. So there's specific, specific things in this episode of the acolyte that I would be willing to fight any one and say that it is some of the best choreographed fighting of anything in star Wars. Aside from cause, I don't want to take anything away from you and and Hayden in their lightsaber duel, because it's just.
Speaker 1:There's only two that were better.
Speaker 5:It's the lightsaber duel right.
Speaker 1:There's only two that were better Ewan and Maul or Kenobi and Maul round one third time. And then you know Kenobi and Vader in the kenobi series.
Speaker 5:they're they're very good too. That was very, yeah, but I mean soul literally did a freaking luke hang, bicycle kick yes he did and soul is just a badass, okay, um was darth smiley, super cool villain. I mean, he's just like as far as like from um I don't know, he he comes off as like the john wick of the uh, of the lightsaber community.
Speaker 1:He just has no we know how you feel he just goes in. There was like a Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon moment. There was some on-wire kung fu action, oh yeah.
Speaker 5:When he does like that force bubble around him to block the two lightsabers and the Superman punch that's literally about to come towards his face. But really, what I want to talk about in this episode and what I thought was, um, the coolest part from a from a old school fanboy, um, one of the most disappointing things to me in the prequels was the actual transition of anakin into vader, so Anakin into Vader. So the scene with Mace and you know I'm in power, you know that's. It could have been so much cooler of a transition from Anakin to Vader. This was a very cool transition from light side into dark side, seeing the lightsaber actually change when she ignited it and it starts to turn red from the hilt all the way up. How fucking cool was that? Like, are you kidding me? People that are hating on this show like I get it. Is it gonna win any awards? No, did star wars win any awards at all for acting?
Speaker 5:no, no, no, just me there's plot holes all over star wars, but what people, what fans need to understand is chronologically, we're jumping all over the place. Chronologically right, like, like george. When he wrote this, he, he gave us the middle piece, right. So it's really george this. He gave us the middle piece, right, so it's really.
Speaker 3:George's fault.
Speaker 5:He gave us the middle first, and so now all of these new creators. Now that George has sold the rights to Disney or whatever, all of these new creators have to build around that middle piece, right.
Speaker 3:And not every movie, not every TV show not every cartoon around that middle piece.
Speaker 5:Right, okay, right and. And not every movie, not every TV show, not every cartoon is written by the same people. And you know there's not like a panel of George Lucas clones that every script has to go through, you know because he's a terrible writer but, but, but these, these actors are given a job or not.
Speaker 5:These actors or these directors are given a job to. You know, take a script and kind of make it their own, and right, I get. I get what some people are saying about their frustration. Behind the very last scene, which was amazing when we saw the back of Yoda's head for five seconds One, I was super excited that they used a puppet as opposed to CGI. That was great. And and people are upset because you know, she walks in and she's like what is it, Master? We have much to discuss or whatever. And people are like grand master, Grandmaster, Yoda, the most powerful Jedi, up until that point, didn't know what was going on in every inch of the galaxy. And it's like you clearly don't understand Yoda as a character. Yoda doesn't tap into the Force to find out what is going on. He trusts the Force. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like I do think he knows a little more than they. They feel that he senses it. Yeah, I think he does feel it feel something wrong, not?
Speaker 4:saying you know. But there's that line in attack of the clones where he's talking to Obi-Wan and Mace and he said you know too too sure. You know too sure of themselves in the older, more experienced ones. And after watching this acolyte episode I'm just like yoda was holding that burn in for so long that brother wanted to do just like I am so sick of these arrogant young jedi who think I want a padawan. I'll just take this, whether they want to go or not. Hey, kid, you like my lightsaber, you want one?
Speaker 2:I'm like Yoda's got so much.
Speaker 4:Yoda's run out of F's with the Jedi Order.
Speaker 5:Every Star Wars quote unquote fan I'll classify everybody together At one point in time has loved a lightsaber, right? I mean, that's, that's one of the things that draws people to lightsabers if you're watching the show and you are hating on the show in, you know and and not enjoying it. From that perspective, I question the choreography. I just it's like do you even Star Wars, bro, do?
Speaker 1:you even Star Wars Right?
Speaker 5:This is the best lightsabers we've seen, like what, yeah, what you know, and.
Speaker 1:Louis Go watch.
Speaker 4:Rebel Moon a couple dozen more times.
Speaker 1:Oh good. So, Louis, to your point too, about, about yoda and these people. You know, how did yoda not know? In in the phantom menace, yoda was standing five feet away from palpatine. Had no idea. No, the dark side clouds everything. We saw, creeper, plagas, and if you don't think that he wasn't jamming the transmissions, oh yeah, metaphorically speaking, with with the dark side, then again, do you even star wars, bro, because yoda may have felt disturbances?
Speaker 1:but he didn't know he didn't know when, when, when a sith master wants to hide, they're gonna hide. You're not gonna find them. Clearly, because we see that and you can't blame that on disney, because george wrote that george put yoda in the same motherfucking room as darth motherfucking spidey and and mace windu was standing there as well two, arguably two of the most powerful jedi at the time standing within. They could have smacked the shit out of palpatine right then. And there they had. No, they had no clue. They had no clue. That's, oh, that's just a little little shivy.
Speaker 2:Palpatine, the only one that really knew was um. What's the one dooku killed? What's her name?
Speaker 1:oh uh oh yeah, ventress massage? I don't think that, no, yeah oh yeah, she knew yaddle.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, I don't know, so that's funny to me but yeah, I mean I mean, granted, well, she knew something was up when he, like, took off and didn't go to the funeral. I watched your episode, I watched you guys, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well. I mean when he turns from the wall. You could see her, oh yeah. Even though it was animated, you could see her face go.
Speaker 1:Such a good episode. Something ain't right with him right now. Such a good episode.
Speaker 2:She saw the flip because that was her Padawan. Yeah, up, like she saw the flip because that was her padawan, yeah, so I I get that they had a closer. Oh yeah, so I you know, but still she knew and couldn't tell anybody couldn't tell her.
Speaker 1:Well, and then she's dead tony, what?
Speaker 4:what did you guys think? Okay, no, go ahead, crash. Oh, what did you guys think of that moment where, uh, vanestra, the, the green Jedi, comes to the planet, and I can never say the stranger, whatever his real name is pops a?
Speaker 4:helmet on Magneto-style, Like Darth Smiley, yeah, Pops that helmet on Magneto-style, just goes like oh crap, my bad. I don't know if it's his master, I'm not going to put the gun on that, but clearly he could sense a Jedi sensing him and and went lock it down well, he was her padawan, because he's got the scar on his back yeah, yeah, I, that's, I that's the prevailing theory that we, we came up with the theory and a lot of other people have got.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that that was, that was padawan and something happened and she had to she had to use her saber she had to put some marks on his back she made that very clear too, because she even says to May I need you to help me find an old friend of mine yeah, there's hints.
Speaker 4:I wonder if they had an Anakin Obi-Wan style breakup fight is that where? The cigar came from. I've seen people saying oh, she's such a terrible master. She whipped him, she beat him. I'm like, or maybe they just had a fight at the end they had a fight it was a fight and he probably was like bitch.
Speaker 2:I don't want to do this no more, and I want to do what I want to do yeah, plague is just got a hold of him and was like you know and you know he did come hang out.
Speaker 5:Well, that's the other question. Do we think that, do we think that plegas is not a part like? Is he hiding in the shadows or is he the true master?
Speaker 1:he's the true, I think that there's. I think, like when you look at that, like what you just said, master that's exactly.
Speaker 1:He's high, he's always. He's hiding in the shadows. That's what they do, you know, and I I like like a lot of people were giving it shit, like, oh, we got five seconds of this pivotal character just being a creeper in the shadows. But I think like, if you look at that on a larger level, that's what sith lords do they hide in the shadows, even though palpatine was hiding in plain sight, as he was still in the shadows as Sidious. So I loved that scene personally.
Speaker 3:So, tony, sorry, Go my thoughts I mean. First off, it's going to be a two-hour episode.
Speaker 5:Like we said, we called that Venestra was Khmir's Padawan, or other way around the other thing that I called was Venestra was going to set Sol up to take the fall so Khmers.
Speaker 3:Padawan or the other way around. We did A poor master, yeah, we called. The other thing that I called was Venestra was going to set Sol up to take the fall, and she absolutely did. Now, granted, he died, but she absolutely just let him out to dry and his name is now Mud and that's fucking bullshit.
Speaker 1:She had to do it.
Speaker 3:He's not completely innocent, but that's fucking bullshit.
Speaker 1:She had to do it, completely innocent. But that's fucking bullshit, she had to do it. No, I get it, and I like how they showed her apologizing to him. You know she whispered. I mean, he's dead, he's not gonna hear it, but yeah, but still. But yeah it was, it was funky, but it was necessary. It was necessary to basically she's. She's doing that to save the jedi order, because the senate is like a heartbeat away from shutting them down.
Speaker 2:But, but again, she did it for selfish reasons, because because they are going to you know now. They're going to investigate the Jedi right.
Speaker 3:Which they should for taking babies, speaking of which, you know other things that I really liked was, you know he didn't get a lot of screen time, but the Senator who's pushing for the.
Speaker 3:You know he didn't get a lot of screen time, but the senator who's pushing for the, for the investigation, like he is voicing all the thoughts that I've had, yeah, for years, not just for this show, but for years. Right, and it makes sense to me that they're finally discussing this in a way, because this makes sense why there would be Some mistrust of the Jedi in the lead up to order 66. Like that, to me, that was always the hardest part of star Wars was how is it that people just accepted, oh, all the Jedi are bad, like I understand, you know the clones are doing it because they've got the implant, you know, implied suggestion, whatever. But why would everybody else just automatically agree with that? Right, but if there's this lingering question of their loyalties and things, that makes sense to me, the downsides for me for this, and there is a few Uh-oh.
Speaker 2:Tony, tony Hold it.
Speaker 3:oh, tony, did we lose? Tony? Drop a lot points that hold it, tony you're breaking up.
Speaker 1:Hold on, all right, I think you're back. Let me know we're good, all right start over start over. We lost you there for a second okay.
Speaker 3:so there's a couple of plot points that they just kind of abandoned, and I have no idea why. Which one? The first one for me is Mother Coral, because she was not part of the group that had Kalnok and a Trance, so she would not have died when what's her name did whatever she did.
Speaker 5:But yet we never see her again.
Speaker 3:We don't know where she went, what she did, but yet we never see her again. We don't know where she went, what she did, if she has any connection to any of this, did she just disappear off the face of the planet? Did we just say we don't care about this character anymore? We're not going to bother writing her off properly, but we're just going to forget about her.
Speaker 1:That's a little.
Speaker 2:I did not think about her.
Speaker 3:It's a little candy for season two, two maybe okay, and secondly, I'm sorry, what the is wrong with basil? Can somebody explain to me why the fuck he was all sudden just sabotaged saul's ship and then we're just never gonna bring?
Speaker 2:it up again, like yeah, I, I said like, why is?
Speaker 1:he being an asshole? I think he was afraid that that he was, that he was going to shoot may down. Maybe I don't think he wanted made dead um, but why would he have cared? Maybe he's just one of those, those species that just made, or maybe he doesn't like killing I or I. They could have explained that, though I yeah, I agree with you, tony.
Speaker 2:Like straight up I was like what fuck?
Speaker 1:That did come out of nowhere.
Speaker 2:And then he just walked off into the woods.
Speaker 5:Yep.
Speaker 3:Those are just two examples, you know one minute.
Speaker 5:He's kicking her in the shins.
Speaker 3:Those are the two most egregious ones for me, where, like I understand where people are going to say, yeah, the writing sucks, because it does, because there are these things that they just gave no explanation to no fucks. We're just okay. But that being said, we talked about all the good parts the bleeding of the crystal and the building and the turn of Osha. For those reasons alone, I really enjoyed the show. I really hope there is a second season. I did make a point to note that when I went to watch the final episode, it did not say series finale, it said season finale. So I'm hoping that that means that they will in fact do a second season. But yeah, those are my thoughts.
Speaker 1:So there is no official word yet from the Disney camp about a second season or not. However, oh God, what's her name? The creator? Hedlund, what's her? I can't remember her name. Everybody else is talking about her but I ignore them. But Hedlund, she's the writer, producer, creator, she's the creator of this particular show.
Speaker 1:She, um, was consulting with Pablo Hidalgo who is, if you're not aware, he is one of the members. Uh well, he's the uh, him and Leland, she, they, uh, him and Leland, she, they, they decide what's canon, you know. So, if, a if, if I want to write a Star Wars story, I go to them for consultation, say I want to write this story about these characters that are going to do these things. Can we do it? They go through the archives.
Speaker 1:Leland, she is literally his job title is keeper of the holocron, like, like, that is he. He is keeper of all the lore. And Pablo Hidalgo, he is also like the lore master. So I mean, they know they have forgotten more about Star Wars than we'll ever know. So, if, if, you want to write something, if you want to make a Star Wars show or movie or comic or whatever, you talk to them first and they'll let you know if you're on the right track or you can't do this anyway. So I think the fact that she was in discussion with him and she came out and said that, so this is like on record. She was interviewed um on record as saying that you know they've discussed because people want to, people want to see jackie. It's like jackie gone too soon, are we going to get more of jackie? And you know she said you know the yord horde.
Speaker 4:What was that they called it?
Speaker 1:the yord horde. Yeah, they yord, and jackie man. Those were wasn't expecting that, but anyway, so hopefully.
Speaker 4:Former costumer. I gotta say I love the fact that the brother was ironing his robes Like you would not. It was like oh, they're robes, they're rumpled. No man, you gotta keep that stuff. You gotta keep it nice, otherwise you look like a slob.
Speaker 1:Right, I mean you gotta keep it tight. He was like a newly minted knight. I mean he was what? Two years a knight. He was a little obnoxious. He was full right, he was full. He was still like, yeah, he hasn't been jaded by the galaxy. Very proud cock of the walk, sort of jedi, he was arrogant.
Speaker 2:He was arrogant and jackie was a padawan and didn't act like that man.
Speaker 1:So hello jackie. What the fuck she was badass. That one hurt. That one hurt jackie the loss of jackie, that one hurt. Yeah, that one hurt Jackie, the loss of Jackie, that one hurt, yeah. So what is so now, now that we've wrapped up the acolyte, I'm curious what, what's everyone's, what's everyone's take of the series overall, and assuming there'll be a second season, predictions crash go.
Speaker 4:I love. I have not read any of the high Republic books just for a lack of time. I want to explore this era of Star Wars. If it's books, if it's a season two acolyte, I'm in. I love this. When the prequels came out, it was supposedly the height of the Jedi Order. I'm like, show me how we get from the Jedi we see in the acolyte to hints of where things go wrong, leading into the Phantom Menace. I love this era. I'm a big Rebellion fan. I costume Rebellion era stuff. I want to learn more about the High Republic and what the Jedi of old were like.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, there's a ton of books.
Speaker 4:And where they went wrong. Yeah, a ton of.
Speaker 1:High Republic books went wrong. Yeah, ton of ton of high republic books. I haven't read any of them either, so I don't know. Uh, daddy louis could not agree more thoughts of this. Overall thoughts of the season. You know, should people watch it despite all of the the hate? You know, is the hate justified? Some of it yes, some of it no, or um, and then predictions for season two um, I'd give it like an eight out of ten.
Speaker 5:I would say not necessarily a must watch. Yet, um, I think that if they do make a season two and we start linking some of what happened in this show to what we already know in the Skywalker saga, so like if we do explore the Plagueis thing more obviously, that's going to have, you know, bigger implications, for you know what we already know is going to happen in upcoming things. So, um, I liked it. I don't think it deserves the hate that it gets. Is it perfect? No, no, star Wars is that I have seen perfect?
Speaker 5:In my opinion, the closest thing Star Wars perfect is probably Rogue One. But as far as like directing, how it looked, the acting, like you know, if you put everything together, I think overall it's just a better quality movie. But this is a fun show. Um, and you know, I think I would say that the kids could watch, but literally dude snapped other dude's neck. Osha chokes out like this. This went from the potential of being a nice family friendly show but like it gets dark the last couple episodes so Jackie gets prison shanked with a lightsaber prison shanked?
Speaker 1:she sure does ocean, ocean, meat gazes on Darth Smiley. I mean it's like yes, no, definitely, definitely PG-13, for sure, for sure, tony. How about you?
Speaker 5:oh wait, no, I just hope that they wrap up some of the questions, uh, that we have. Okay, I don't really have any like actual predictions all right, tony I.
Speaker 3:When it comes to the prediction, uh that you know, they made a point of saying one being at one point and somehow split them. The question is, now that we've introduced Plagueis to this whole concept, it would make sense then that he created them, or, well, created her, and then somehow the witches did whatever they did to split them. So I'm curious to see how that story develops, um, and if we get an explanation of that. That would then carry over to an explanation of anakin. Um, I think we are ultimately headed towards a showdown between either Venestra versus Khmir or Yoda versus Khmir, which would be a lot of fun to see. But I am very curious to see OSHA's further development, so I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 3:I imagine there will be similar to this one, a couple episodes of backstory where we're just going to go back to Fenestra's training of Khmir and whatever led to their fallout. So, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Again, for right now, I wouldn't give it a rating as high as Louis did. I'd probably go with a 7 out of 10. I think it's got potential for it to get better, but for right now that's about as high as I can go.
Speaker 1:Thank you sir Sherry.
Speaker 2:For me. Really, I just want to know about the Virgins. I want them to kind of explain a little bit of what the Virgins are. I know they explained it a little bit of what the virgins are. I know they've they explained it a little. It brings life, it transforms things like that. So I'm just curious about that planet, because it was a dead planet, um, and where the witches were, was that that big crater? So was that where the virgins? I don't know what the virgins is right, but, um, whatever power source comes from the Virgins and creates life apparently made Osha and May I know the one person and then, like you said, tony, the witches split them and did something they weren't supposed to. So I think that's what I want to see. I just want to see if that's going to do. You know they're going to talk more about it. Probably not, but I hope so.
Speaker 2:You know, I think that would be pretty cool because I want to know how they were created. And then, yeah, I would. I would give it an eight out of 10. I think it's a good. I mean it's, it's a fun. Um, yeah, that's all I think about it. But um and then um, maybe more yoda, because yoda's just a cutie and I like when he fights.
Speaker 1:So so all right, this is. This is my question to the group. Now, if we're talking about watching star wars chronologically and, louis, you would, you had already kind of said this but watching star wars chronologically, and ifis you would, you had already kind of said this. But watching star wars chronologically, and if we're connecting the dots, you know, we, you know, we all know, for the most part, I think all of us here, we all know what happens at the end of the story of the, the greater star wars saga, that we know up to this point. So, knowing what we know, is the acolyte, chronologically speaking, important or worth watching in the grand scheme of the overall star wars saga, from starting with the young jedi adventures, which is the first in the, the chronological timeline, um, all the way through to the sequel trilogy? So, is the acolyte worth it? Sherry, you're shaking your head, no, well, no, I'm not that it's worth it, let me not say worth it, but is it important enough? Is it is? Should you watch it?
Speaker 2:again, like I said before, like I think I said it last week, it's a good watch, but it's not important to the story. Not really, I don't think it is. It's fun to watch things that happened hundreds of years before because I think that's interesting. But is it necessary? No, okay.
Speaker 1:Anyone else? I would agree with Sherry. I think the thing about Acolyte.
Speaker 3:The thing, about.
Speaker 4:Acolyte is.
Speaker 1:Oh sorry, crash Louie, you said you're on board with.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 5:I agree with Sherry. I think that it's a fun watch. I think it's worth watching from that point of view. I mean, it's fun Star Wars. But as far as the overarching story, I don't think we're there yet, but we definitely have potential to get there.
Speaker 2:Gotcha Crash.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm going to tie into that. I think it's great as a singular story the acolyte the higher up, so was Rogue One and Solo. As a solo movie it may not be important for the overall Skywalker saga you don't have to watch from Acolyte through Episode IX or you're not a true Star Wars fan. But if you want to branch off, if you want to go on a little side quest in the timeline, these are fun sidetrack diversions from the who's the chosen one. Is it Luke, is it Anakin? All those questions people like to argue about.
Speaker 4:If I just want to see Jedi and supposed Sith beat the crap out of each other with lightsabers, this is your show. If you want to watch QQ Blasters and Stealing Death Star plans, rogue One's your jam. I think that the great thing about Star Wars, like the MCU, is that we're starting to branch off off of a main story, a one-off story where everybody has to be obsessed with this particular family's internal drama and go. If you like lightsabers, watch acolyte. If you like space gangsters, watch book of oafette, and that's where everybody can kind of choose their own lane there you go, I love it, love it, love it.
Speaker 1:Very good point, tony.
Speaker 3:So I think, for me, whether it's important is purely a question of what you're looking for and, I think, largely a question of your age and maturity level. I mean, I tend to think that somebody going on this journey for the first time is going to be a relatively young person on this journey for the first time is going to be a relatively young person and compared to the prequels, compared to everything else chronologically that we've gotten through so far, most of this is most of that stuff is pretty innocent compared to this. So I think there are some themes and whatnot in here that might be a bit too much for younger people and might turn them off the whole thing, um, but that being said, if you're an adult and you like that, then I think it's great all right, that is, that is fair.
Speaker 1:That is fair. I, uh, I, louis, I I'm kind of leaning. I, I agree with what everybody said, but I, louie, you had a little caveat. You said it's not necessarily important yet, but I do think that if it, if it is allowed to, to grow and breathe a little bit, um, the potential for it to tie into things that you know we see later on in revenge of the sith, um, I think that's when it becomes important, is it? Is it a pivotal program right now? Not necessarily crash, like you said, you know, if you, if you like, you know lightsabers and kung fu, this is, this, is it.
Speaker 1:But I think, if they really, if they do it right, if they wrap it up real nice, um, with the second or maybe even third season, I think they can get away with just doing two season. Um, now we've got a tie-in, a closer tie-in to the prequel trilogy and the skywalker saga. This is going to connect those dots for us. So, acolyte, we're, uh, we're giving it a pretty, you know, better than average rating, I think, for the group. So that's, uh, that's interesting um. So, yeah, definitely worth a watch. Where you watch it in, the chronology is uh is up to you, though. However, you want to do it, so we've got about seven minutes now to talk about to talk about clone wars.
Speaker 5:I only need like 30, so 30 seconds, 30 seconds all right, all right.
Speaker 1:So episodes one, two, three and four of the clone wars animated series. We start out. We've got yoda and his squad taking on ventress and her battalion, and so so we'll just talk about it, because there's there's a lot, there's a lot going on. We haven't really gotten to the the deep meat and potatoes of what the clone wars is going to become, but I think we're getting some nice little introductions here into the nuances of the the clone wars.
Speaker 5:Daddy louis uh, yoda is continues to be a badass. Um, the first episode was great, because I'm a huge yoda fan. Um, outside of that, didn't I? I do agree that it like the politics of the. You know, seeing how these other star systems are affecting the overall war and the importance of that negotiation between the Republic and the Separatists. They're literally going planet to planet negotiating with leaders to join their cause and this was really a good example of that. Um, I don't think that it was the best way to start the show. I I know that a lot of people are like well, the movie is what starts the show.
Speaker 5:Yeah, but maybe you haven't seen the movie you know what I mean like and and we're jumping straight into. Y mean, and we're jumping straight into Yoda, we're jumping straight into. I would have liked either a five-minute introduction to what we're about to see in the Clone Wars, but it just wasn't a great. It's a filler episode that could have fell into the middle of the season and still had the exact same effect on everything. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like it didn't necessarily belong where it was um, like, maybe we could have gotten an episode where, like things that take place like immediately after the events of geonosis, right, right, like, let's get an episode like around that.
Speaker 5:Right, bridging that gap. Yeah, exactly, exactly. The next three episodes were fine. I guess we're getting to see, you know, the relationship between Anakin and Ahsoka kind of blossom a little bit and it seemed like everybody kind of had their day in the spotlight. I could do without the Padme and the droid stuff like that. I'm totally fine Never seeing any of that. It's quite.
Speaker 4:In the middle of a space battle, we just dropped a Senator right, here's, here you go.
Speaker 5:Here's Padme, and oh, by the way, padme is.
Speaker 4:Oh, I took the wrong off ramp, sorry, right.
Speaker 1:Palpatine sent her there on purpose. He did that, oh no, and she said where did we get these coordinates? Well, Palpatine had some intelligence to let us yeah. Correct, so it wasn't her no, as soon as papa palpy knew that anakin was involved, right, no, no, we gotta. We gotta send in, we gotta send in senator tight pants to make sure that, uh, we keep anakin on a short leash just more to show how anakin's fall.
Speaker 2:Basically, it's just more of us to see that and how heartbroken was he that he lost clones.
Speaker 1:He has such a big heart, he is so full of love, which, ultimately, is what turns him to the dark side. Yeah, but he was hurt. He was hurt and he felt bad that he lost clone troopers. Nobody else gives a shit about clone troopers. Well, that's not true.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, about his clones.
Speaker 1:That's the best part of that first episode yeah, yes, I was gonna say that, so that's what we're seeing, too, in these yeah, so we're seeing that in these episodes, we're seeing that the clones are individuals and they're they're important to the jedi some of them anyway and they.
Speaker 4:And even the clones were trained to think they were disposable. I love that scene in the cave where Yoda tells them to take off their helmets and he's seeing their personality. They see themselves as carbon copies of each other, right.
Speaker 4:And Yoda's like no man, you're the wisecracker. You're the munitions guy. You love blowing stuff up. You're the wisecracker. You're the munitions guy, you love blowing stuff up, you're the leader. We all have aspects of ourselves that define who we are. Even at Star Wars people say oh, star Wars fan you nerds in your home. Even the worst nerd except Star Wars Theory has redeeming qualities that people should accept and embrace. But you're right, just give him a chance.
Speaker 3:Go ahead. I was going to say I absolutely agree To me. It's that type of thing. It's that type of scene. Both Yoda and Anakin at this point that we've made the comments in our reviews of Acolyte of the Jedi are just acting like cops and that there are some serious issues. But it's things like that, like those types of moments that are the yeah, but they're still the better of the two options that we currently have, sure, so I'm not going to write them off as evil or a lost cause or anything else right?
Speaker 1:oh, because they, like, like you guys have all said, they, they, they care. Well, like in in um episode two, when they're rescuing plow clune, uh, commander wolf and the other clone troopers they risked their lives to to rescue four, three clone troopers and a jedi master well, the jedi master, I get sure, but. But they were concerned about the clones yeah, they went to rescue as many as they could ploku, I mean, he sacrificed himself he did by going.
Speaker 2:I mean, I know he can go outside, but he's, you know he didn't have to do that. He didn't have to do that I mean I, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I think that's what I got out of these episodes so if we, if we look a little bit deeper yes, they like the the first one, it did feel like filler. But if we do mine a little bit deeper and we look at those scenes, like in the cave and the way that yoda interacts with the clones, you know, one thing I really loved about what feloni's doing with this series is that it's the clone wars and we get a lot of interaction with the clones. We grow to like and love and respect the clones, you know, for being people. Right, you know we're seeing soldiers go through some shit. You know, later on in the series they don't shy away from topics like ptsd and things like that. So I mean it's like, yeah, so, so, so far, so far. How are we feeling about season one of the clone war? Sherry is this have you seen these episodes before? I have, okay, I have. Everyone else has too. I, I assume. Yes, we've all been here. We're not in uncharted territory yet.
Speaker 3:No, okay but I've seen the first two, but not all of the first four.
Speaker 2:Okay, the first four, okay, okay yeah, I, I'm looking at it differently, since we're watching things in chronological order okay like with dooku yeah um how he just now is just a heartless piece of shit yeah I mean targeting hospitals. That and and wounded. That was fucked up. That was a low blow yeah there was no need for that at all. Um but again they don't. They're just clones to them.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:They, you know, like whatever they can make more.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:But these are individual. I mean just by their haircuts, by their, by their tattoos, by their, they make themselves individuals, individuals. So you know who they are and so I think that's you know, and I know it's like, oh, it's all sensitive and shit.
Speaker 1:That's okay, but it is, it's got depth, it's supposed to. That's good writing, that's good storytelling.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if a if, if a cartoon can make you feel emotions, fucking well done, like when the camino, and um, I'm gonna say a nurse, that's really all I can call her yeah um, when she's like, no, I'm gonna stay, they're about to blow that shit up and she's gonna stay with them. There's no need for her to stay there. She had nothing. You know what I mean. Like there was, I don't know. It choked me up a little bit, you know, and I was like holy shit.
Speaker 1:You made a really good point and, and again, I, you know, every I feel like every week you like look at things sideways, from a different angle and I'm just like what the fuck sherry?
Speaker 2:that's why there's a lady on here.
Speaker 1:Right. But what you had said about how Dooku Dooku is like yeah, they're just clones, they're 60,000 wounded clones. Go attack it, we're going to go ahead and wipe them out. But when Grievous knocked the head off that battle droid, dooku was like, hey, take it easy on the battle droids, they're expensive. He cares more about the cost of the battle droids than he does about living, breathing clones.
Speaker 3:Yes, Just how far he's fallen from being right.
Speaker 1:And how disillusioned and hateful he is towards the Republic.
Speaker 2:It's ridiculous.
Speaker 4:And it even kind of hints. I'm a big fan of the Y-Wing episode, the Shadow Malevolence I love. Hey, I'm a Y-Wing junkie.
Speaker 3:That's your ship, right, that's my jam.
Speaker 4:That is my jam. I literally, I kid you not. When I was in the costume group hey, freak you out we were known as Shadow Squadron. So when I'm watching that episode and the dude's like calling out Shadow 12, standing by, I had both fists in the air and I'm screaming. Yes, I'm canon, I'm not a clone, but just I love the way the old classic, you know, red 5, red 6, you know, to hear the name Shadow 12, 12, which was my call sign in the group, being used in a star wars episode was just fantastic and it was so, but I spent. I love that episode because the y-wings, but more importantly anakin, could have survived that mission. He was good enough of a pilot, he could have got in another, whether he succeeded or not in destroying the ship. What I think Ahsoka brings to him was that, yeah, you'll survive, but we'll, you're going to lose all your men, yeah, yeah, and we're going to fail. And he's realized that over the course of the show. Ahsoka was his moral compass.
Speaker 4:Then when loses her left him vulnerable to being manipulated by Palpatine even more.
Speaker 1:We're not there yet. We're not there yet. We're not there yet.
Speaker 4:Just in the movie. Okay, we're getting there, we're getting there.
Speaker 1:We're not there yet, so one last question for you, Crash. Before we go, because we've got to wrap up Before we go. Because you're a Y-Wing fan, you grew up seeing the Y-Wings that we all saw, which were the old 30-year-old busted-ass Y-Wings. So when you first saw the Y-Wings with their full plating and all their skin on, how did that make you feel?
Speaker 4:I'm a big aviation fan. You ever go to an air show and you look at a p51 mustang and you go this thing was a badass in its day. And then you realize the jet fighter came in and all of a sudden they start becoming a little obsolete. They're a little slower, they're a little clunkier and even even as a kid in star wars I agree with dave bologna yeah, and you looked at the y-wings in a new hope you could tell they were stripped down, they were, they had, they were like. You know, yeah, I got, you got a fat lady. I need a skinny lady to keep up with these newer, faster starships. And I was like, but, and I was, that was the appeal for me for the y-wing. It's a ugly.
Speaker 1:A10, yeah, 51 you're gonna say they're like the a10 fighter, they're so hardcore. They are definitely, uh, the unsung heroes. They're, you know they're. They're people forget, they're fighters, they're bombers, but they're fighter bombers. So I mean you can still do some shit. And even Luke. Luke and Leia flew a Y-Wing in Splinter in the Mind's Eye, which is when he was trying to hook up and then got possessed by Obi-Wan Kenobi so he could fight Darth Vader. But we don't talk about that because that would be, but Lucas knew all along.
Speaker 1:Yeah, lucas knew all along. Yeah, lucas knew all along all right. Uh, that's a whole other show. All right, so thank you, crash, for joining us this week. Um, we love having you on pleasure thanks everybody. We're gonna do uh our obligatory uh pimping here before we uh we head on out. So if you'd uh oh, next week homework assignment for next week uh, episodes uh five, 5, 6, 7, and 8 of the Clone Wars. The show will go a little bit quicker next week. Crash, are you going to join us next week?
Speaker 4:Yeah, we'll see how things go. You guys want me to come back? Yeah, I'll leave a light on for you.
Speaker 1:We'll leave a light on for you too. There you go. So, yeah, seven and eight of the uh, clone war season one, watch that. That's your homework for next week, and if you want to know what the rest of the season's going to look like and what we're going to be watching, uh, for the rest of the season, if you want to get a jump start on it, you can check out our roadmap. It's at circle of nerds com slash the sws show. So, and speaking of the sws show, that is also our social media handle. You can follow us on all the places, uh, including youtube, where we don't post anything. So go there. And we've been posting a little bit. I don't want to say that. So, um, and if you'd like some merch, some really cool, cool Star Wars sucks merch, head on over to our website, circleofnerdscom slash merch, and you can get your hands on some really sweet gear that none of us have purchased. I don't even own any of our sweet gear.
Speaker 2:We'll get some.
Speaker 1:We'll get some. We'll get some this week, I'll wear it next week.
Speaker 2:so all of our listeners can see it. I don't know about this week.
Speaker 1:But we'll get there. The electricity bill's paid, the rent's paid, all right. So that's going to be it. Thank you all for joining us Crash again. Thank you for taking the time to hang out with us. To all of our listeners. Thank you so much. Well, our listeners here with us. So that's it, that's it.
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